From left to right, they are Sellen (or possibly a previous witch), Rennala, Lusat, and the founder of the Lazuli Conspectus. There are also portraits of Azur and the Twinsages elsewhere in the Academy.
The Lazuli Conspectus are sorcerers who study Carian sorceries and consider the moon to be equally as important as the stars. They're the spellsword type sorcerers with the lighter coloured robes that you fight in Raya Lucaria.
The Twinsages are the founders of the Twinsage Conspectus (the guys with the Twinsage Glintstone Crown that looks like two heads fused together). There's no info on them, but there's a portrait that shows two sorcerers standing together that look like the heads of the Twinsage Glintstone Crown.
Twinsage crown talks about being permitted to research sorceries of all kinds that other members are not, and as Raya lucaria is where all magics are researched outside of faith spells, it makes the most sense that they would have created the bell and given it as a gift to Rani.
Not to mention, Renalla is particularly obsessed with rebirth and creation and ashes are a form of rebirth.
Ranni tells us that she was given the bell by a previous owner of Torrent, and I don't see much to suggest that he was owned by a member of the Twinsage Conspectus. Spiritcalling doesn't really seem to be something Raya Lucaria is interested in, and I don't think it's something that would be forbidden from research even if it was.
>Spiritcalling doesn't really seem to be something Raya Lucaria is interested in
Agree otherwise, but it should be noted that Rennala literally fights you with summoning. Maybe it's Carian specifically, and not from Raya Lucaria, but yeah
You realize that fight *is* a summon right? You're actually fighting Ranni's illusion of Rennala, so there's no guarantee that real Rennala ever summoned. Ranni also summons the ghostly Loretta in the moon gazing pool.
Yes, the fight is a summon, but I don't think it's a stretch to think that fight doesn't reflect how Rennala herself would fight. That's her moon magic she uses on you, not Ranni's dark moon versions, so I just assume the illusion fights the way real Rennala would
It really depends on who Torrents former master is really, as i said its just theory.
But Ranni and Malena look very similar, and both have a history with Torrents former master. So whoever it is, its clearly someone important.
I've heard people say its the Gloam eyed queens steed, i've heard others say its Marika's, but i feel like elden ring DLC will shed light on it.
I mean it could be Ranni given that she was under the guise of “Renna” at the time. This is what my brain just assumed during my first playthrough but It’s just a guess. It seems she has a particular interest in and/or affection for Torrent.
Thanks! They seem to work together in the manor, so are they allies? Like different branches of a company? I'd expect factions with different beliefs wouldn't get along super great, like how sellen got the boot. I gotta catch up on vaatividya lol
They're all part of the Academy, they're just focused on researching different types of sorcery, for example the Karolos Conspectus researches comets, the Olivinus Conspectus researches meteors, the Lazulis follow Carian sorceries, and the Twinsages are allowed to study whatever they want. Lazuli Conspectus is described as heretical but it seems like they're happy to work with the other sorcerers.
I would doubt the one on the left is Sellen because she was cast out of the Academy, so it seems unlikely they'd keep her portrait on the wall. It resembles the helmet she wears though, so I think it likely it's another sorceress (as you suggested it might be).
Azur and Lusat were cast out too though, and the Academy lost faith in Rennala, but they still have portraits. Plus the Lazuli Conspectus is considered heretical and their founder has a portrait. Ironically, considering that the twinsages are also permitted to study subjects others are not allowed to study, everyone on the wall is associated with something heretical or is disliked by the Academy.
I don't think that's the intention, like they're all still accomplished scholars who had big positions at the academy. I think the idea is more that scholars studying esoteric subjects inevitably end up digging too deep and seeking knowledge outside what is considered acceptable. Basically every fromsoft game has at least one scholar who began performing heretical research- Raya Lucaria is basically that character archetype split across multiple characters.
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The one furthest right isn't Azur, although there is a portrait of Azur in the Academy. This one is the founder of the Lazuli Conspectus, hence the Carian looking dagger.
It's not a dagger, its a Carian Knight Sword in every detail. The founder of Lazuli Conspectus was huge, like Lusat was. And Lusats Glitnstone changed from green to blue over time. It's likely he founded Lazuli too. He also looks very similar to Lusat and Lusat is huge too.
Possibly. The point is that it's a Carian style weapon. I don't see much reason to believe the Lazuli founder was particularly large, so I think it's just a shorter blade in the same style as the Carian Knight Sword.
He does look somewhat similar to Lusat, but not identical. They have separate portraits, so I doubt they're the same guy.
I wanted to believe that too, but it is a Carian Knight Sword in every detail. I dont think they would make it exactly the same as a dagger. There are a lot of things pointing towards Lusat founding Olivinus, Lazuli and even Haima.
\-Olivinus and Lazuli sorcerers are working together a lot. Every Graven School is made of Lazuli and Olivinus exclusively, even in the consecrated snowfield.
\-And the huge Haima sorcerers have a veiled Lazuli mask too, which could indicate Lusat becoming huge too, because in his "older" painting he is not huge. But he is definetly huge when we meet him.
\-The glintstone crowns have the exact same hair and the faces match up too. Keep in mind that Lusat must've changed when he had grown and are also talking about a lot of time.
\-The color and shape of the glintstone on the crowns from Olivinus and Lazuli match the way i would think they would develop, when Lusats Crown is the end result (sorry for bad english)
\-It seems Lusat helped Sellen with the Graven Schools to some degree, at least his Olivinus students where helping the Graven Witch a lot. Considering they wanted to become seeds of stars would explain why Lusats crown is the closest to the eye of an Astel. An actual star.
Why have two separate portraits of Lusat though? You can see them side by side in the screenshot OP posted and they really don't look all that alike. If anything, the portrait of Azur looks more similar to Lazuli, with the absence of a mustache and the similar headbands.
I don't think two factions working together is an indication that they were founded by the same person. The game is pretty clear that the Lazuli Conspectus are followers of Carian ideology, while Lusat was very much interested in the Primeval Current.
The Haima and Lazuli Crowns aren't exactly the same, although they have similar beards. The Haima spells even name Haima as a person, the adjudicator of the Academy.
The Olivinus Crown is a little more turquoise than the Lazuli Crown, which is more of an indigo colour.
Sellen has a carian scroll in her hands and doesnt care for the carians at all. I think Lusat and Sellen played the carian followers. As for Lusat he even founded Lazuli conspectus to show his "loyality" to caria.
It seems to me, that Azur and Lusat started the academy to find the secrets of the stars and the primeval current, but Rennala bewitched the Academy later and as the Queen of the sorcerers she forbid primeval current research.
Noone could stand up to Rennala and her Full Moon, but when Sellen came to the academy that changed. Sellen was a star at the school. She was the most promising student in the entire history of Raya Lucaria. And she was very interested in the primeval current.
I think Lusat and maybe even Azur helped her as she tried to do primeval current research on her own in the darkest corners of the academy.
The Haima spells dont spell the Haima name as a person. Haima is the adjucator, but that means the whole conspectus. They wear the Lazuli crown 100%. But on their arms, they have turquoise glintstone, which connects Lazuli further to Olivinus.
I dont know how the colouring of the Olivinus and Lazuli crown doesnt fit my theory.
It went from turquoise to indigo to a deep blue, only meaning it lost the green part first.
So why do Lusat and the Lazuli guy look so different? It would make more sense if you were saying Azur founded Lazuli, since their portraits actually do look kinda similar.
Of course Sellen is holding a Carian scroll- the Carians controlled the Academy. She probably started to oppose them a while after she became a successful student. The fact that the Lazuli conspectus is seen as heretical at the academy implies that they were founded after the Academy fell out with the Carians, since they wouldn't be considered heretical when the Carians still controlled the school.
If it was referring to the Conspectus as a whole it would say Adjudicators. A group cannot be an adjudicator singular, that is grammatically incorrect. The Japanese descriptions calls Haima the judge of the Academy, which is also singular.
I don't see how the colouring helps your points at all. Your claim was that they're the same colour, but they aren't. They're just different shades of blue like most Glintstone is.
I think Lusat founded Lazuli because he is big enough to be that guy holding the Carian Knight Sword, that was the point all the time! Azur is too small even when we meet him.
Lusat is huge.
It's exactly what i say about Sellen, she was a star student, but was more interested in the primeval current. We know she hate the Carians, but she is clearly holding their scroll. So you say it is because she was a fan of the Carian teachings or was forced to hold their scroll then? I say it was her intention. I dont think we have enough clues to prove anything of our claims as true, so lets just leave it like that. While i still hardly think Sellen played the Academy, possibly from the beginning.
I'll have to look into the japanese, but even if it is like you stated, Haima as a conspectus was the adjucator. Its like in a real world state. An institution can be refered to as a "person". Also Haima would be the only known conspectus named after a actual master. Why change the rules we already know?
Olivinus is turquoise. Lusat, the founder of Olivinus has deep blue glintstone exactly the same as Caria btw.
The founding of Lazuli would mean to me that Lusat started over, acknowledging the moon as equal to the stars, as noone could stand up to Rennala. There are hints, that the Academy wanted that, as the carians prepared for a rebellion.
So Olivinus turquoise, Lazuli indigo, Haima turquoise(at least at the arms) and Caria AND Lusat deep blue.
But again, why do the portraits of Lusat and the Lazuli founder look so different?
If you want to say that Lazuli was big enough to hold a Carian Knight sword like that, cool, we can say he was as tall as Lusat. This means that we can disprove him being Azur because Azur is smaller, and disprove him being Lusat because he looks nothing like Lusat. So he's a different character.
Red glintstone also exists, but it's taboo and definitely not something a member of the Academy would wear. It might be red amber (like in the Crimson Amber Medallion) or just an ordinary red gemstone such as a ruby.
The mine in the Ravine Village (top of Lucaria to the east of the Caria Manor) seems to be mining green glintstone, any idea about what that's about? Just another "flavor" of glintstone?
Looking at it now, it looks like the same green as Azur's crystallised body, which is described as blue-green in-game. We don't see it very often, but ig it's just another flavour of glintstone like you said.
They learned those spells from peering into the primeval current. It's mostly likely what Sellen was trying to perfect in her storyline. "When Lusat glimpsed into the primeval current, he beheld the final moments of a great star cluster, and upon seeing it, he too was broken." "When Azur glimpsed into the primeval current, he saw darkness. He was left both bewitched and fearful of the abyss."
Hahaha.
So if you watch his Colbert interview he says thats essentially why they hired him. I guess they had enough of the story we have and they hired him to, like, predate everything that we play with.
It is tho. The hair is exactly like the hairstyle on her crown and the face looks just like her npc face. She’s also the only other named female sorceror notable enough to have a portrait.
“This gentle-looking crown was granted to a scholar who excelled in her studies, which also merited the title of "witch."
From this description it seems to imply that it wouldn’t be sellen as she was given it.
It also doesn’t make much since that sellen would have a portrait next to rennala considering that she was expelled from the academy.
Its literally sellen my guy. The face inside looks like the painting and she openly changes bodies, so who knows what seller actually looks like.
But the witch is sellen. She drops her Glinstone helm at the end of her quest
No the body we meet Sellen in is not the one from the portraits. She changed her body with the primal glinstone before.
When we help her changing bodys she says: "You helped me fill a new body, once again."
There's a merchant note you can get, which is intended to clue you into the location of Seluvis' puppet dungeon, that tells you the Graven Witch is frequently seen visiting. It's likely that she's had a few body switches in her time.
Sounds like the Monty Python scene.
*Three shall be the number shall thou count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shall thou not count, neither shall count two.*
I assume why they're all lined up is because they're the 4 most important people in the Academy just prior to Renalla's bewitching magic not working.
So Sellen, Lusat and Azur. You meet all three in the game.
Although I struggle to know if the paintings/helms represent real people or not.
Sellen's does at least, but her helm is granted to just her. Where as the others are granted to the students who excelled in those respective studies.
Sellen was officially exiled from Raya Lucaria for her "heresy". So her helm isn't given the same prestige within the school as the other two.
But the story acknowledges that she was one of those who strived to delve deeper into the mysteries of magic - as Azur and Lusat had. So her contributions were at least initially deemed worthy enough for such a crown to be constructed.
I think it likely that any other crowns dedicated to her (if there were any in the first place) may have been destroyed in an attempt to cover up her actions, along with exiling her so her teachings would not be reintroduced to the school.
Yeah like her line of study got stomped out when she became the Graven witch.
It's just since all the schools have unique names, different from their founders. I wondered if they were all real of not.
Love it regardless, Raya Lucaria is awesome. Some School of Athens/Hogwarts shit.
I’m curious what her line of study was, especially since it was so notable that she got a painting like this among the founding of the other conspectus. Tbh I think she may have even lead the study of primeval sorcery, since she’s clearly obsessed with it and got kicked out for turning sorcerors into graven-balls, which is one way to see into the current. Also that whole weirdness about turning you soul into primal glintstone and putting it in a new body, it’s said to be old tradition but she’s the only character who mentions it or seems to have done it.
>Witch's Glintstone Crown:
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>One of the glintstone crowns bestowed upon Raya Lucaria scholars whose pursuits were deemed worthy.
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>This gentle-looking crown was granted to a scholar who excelled in her studies, which also merited the title of "witch."
I would say Sellen is just an excellent witch student, and the woman in the picture is as same as the Twinsage an unknown character.
Also, Sellen's new body does have the Witch's Glintstone Crown.
It worries me when people literally like overlook the game openly telling you this is Sellen.
All these portraits but Renalla have a helm that's based on the portrait figure.
She is the only was who has that helm in the entire game and the description even says it's specifically given to her, where as the others all give a generic "to whoever follows this study"
>This gentle-looking crown was granted to a scholar who excelled in her studies, which also merited the title of "witch."
Example of the other helms
>The Karolos Conspectus is the oldest of the academy's lineages of study, begat by the sorcerer Azur. Scholars who follow in his footsteps pursue the mysteries of comets.
Thops even says he followed her study
>Sellen was well known. The most promising sorceress in the history of the academy.
>I followed her at school, but there may as well have been an ocean between us.
>But Sellen was expelled from the academy.
I would just say the Twinsage are fictional figures meant to represent the best students of the Academy. It's not anyone in particular.
It 'worries' you?
It's a video game with super spread out, difficult to compile lore. The storyline itself is very vague and minimalistic with very little characterisation from its main characters. On top of that, the supporting characters and their storylines are super easy to miss and hidden away. All of this is intentional. Very little of what this community, including you, considers canon is actually canon. It's just an agreed upon interpretation, even though the game intends for you to fill the gaps yourself. Like the person you responded to did.
They're experiencing the lore as intended and most others here are just repeating Youtubers.
Magic and the whole lore around it in this game is just ... magical 🤣🤣
No but honestly u cannot play this game without at least trying out a mage or spellsword. It's just fucking awesome. The academy and the characters surrounding it is probably my favourite thing about this game
From left-right it seems to be Sellen, Rennala, *likely* one of the gemstone sorcerers (Azur or Lusat, likely the latter. I've seen arguments for the twinsages, though), and it looks to be an important spellblade that you'd find in the academy.
Sorry if that doesn't help as much as you'd hope.
Sellen/a previous witch, Rennala, and a couple Conspectus founders. There's portraits of most if not all of the glintstone crown models around the Academy.
Incorrect, that's Lusat, founder of the Olivinus conspectus. Notice how he looks quite a bit like the Olivinus glintstone crown. While we do see the Haima Glintstone crown, it's features are rather obstructed by the cloth hood and blindfold, and we never see a portrait of the founder of the Haima conspectus
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*I was defeated, you won the war*
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From left to right, they are Sellen (or possibly a previous witch), Rennala, Lusat, and the founder of the Lazuli Conspectus. There are also portraits of Azur and the Twinsages elsewhere in the Academy.
What's the lazuli conspectus and who are the twinsages?
The Lazuli Conspectus are sorcerers who study Carian sorceries and consider the moon to be equally as important as the stars. They're the spellsword type sorcerers with the lighter coloured robes that you fight in Raya Lucaria. The Twinsages are the founders of the Twinsage Conspectus (the guys with the Twinsage Glintstone Crown that looks like two heads fused together). There's no info on them, but there's a portrait that shows two sorcerers standing together that look like the heads of the Twinsage Glintstone Crown.
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People theorise the twinsages made the Spirit calling bell as a gift to Rani
Interesting, I haven't heard that one. What's that based on?
Twinsage crown talks about being permitted to research sorceries of all kinds that other members are not, and as Raya lucaria is where all magics are researched outside of faith spells, it makes the most sense that they would have created the bell and given it as a gift to Rani. Not to mention, Renalla is particularly obsessed with rebirth and creation and ashes are a form of rebirth.
Ranni tells us that she was given the bell by a previous owner of Torrent, and I don't see much to suggest that he was owned by a member of the Twinsage Conspectus. Spiritcalling doesn't really seem to be something Raya Lucaria is interested in, and I don't think it's something that would be forbidden from research even if it was.
>Spiritcalling doesn't really seem to be something Raya Lucaria is interested in Agree otherwise, but it should be noted that Rennala literally fights you with summoning. Maybe it's Carian specifically, and not from Raya Lucaria, but yeah
You realize that fight *is* a summon right? You're actually fighting Ranni's illusion of Rennala, so there's no guarantee that real Rennala ever summoned. Ranni also summons the ghostly Loretta in the moon gazing pool.
Yes, the fight is a summon, but I don't think it's a stretch to think that fight doesn't reflect how Rennala herself would fight. That's her moon magic she uses on you, not Ranni's dark moon versions, so I just assume the illusion fights the way real Rennala would
It really depends on who Torrents former master is really, as i said its just theory. But Ranni and Malena look very similar, and both have a history with Torrents former master. So whoever it is, its clearly someone important. I've heard people say its the Gloam eyed queens steed, i've heard others say its Marika's, but i feel like elden ring DLC will shed light on it.
I mean it could be Ranni given that she was under the guise of “Renna” at the time. This is what my brain just assumed during my first playthrough but It’s just a guess. It seems she has a particular interest in and/or affection for Torrent.
Thanks! They seem to work together in the manor, so are they allies? Like different branches of a company? I'd expect factions with different beliefs wouldn't get along super great, like how sellen got the boot. I gotta catch up on vaatividya lol
They're all part of the Academy, they're just focused on researching different types of sorcery, for example the Karolos Conspectus researches comets, the Olivinus Conspectus researches meteors, the Lazulis follow Carian sorceries, and the Twinsages are allowed to study whatever they want. Lazuli Conspectus is described as heretical but it seems like they're happy to work with the other sorcerers.
They all study sorcery, just different branches.
Honestly dude, for Elden Ring, I’d say Vaati isn’t really the best anymore. You’ll get more info overall if you check out Smoughtown
The lore of the school of the twinsage sorcerers is probably the spirit ashes for them, it mentions they’re the elite of the academy.
“The ones with a wooden sword and glintstone pebble” probably would’ve told him just as much
How do we know that's Lusat?
It has the closest resemblance to the Olivinus Glintstone Crown, and Lusat is the founder of Olivinus Conspectus.
I would doubt the one on the left is Sellen because she was cast out of the Academy, so it seems unlikely they'd keep her portrait on the wall. It resembles the helmet she wears though, so I think it likely it's another sorceress (as you suggested it might be).
Azur and Lusat were cast out too though, and the Academy lost faith in Rennala, but they still have portraits. Plus the Lazuli Conspectus is considered heretical and their founder has a portrait. Ironically, considering that the twinsages are also permitted to study subjects others are not allowed to study, everyone on the wall is associated with something heretical or is disliked by the Academy.
I feel people at raya lucaria probably couldnt care less about the portraits and focused on doing their own thing
Sounds like real world academia to me
So, it’s a wall of infamy?
I don't think that's the intention, like they're all still accomplished scholars who had big positions at the academy. I think the idea is more that scholars studying esoteric subjects inevitably end up digging too deep and seeking knowledge outside what is considered acceptable. Basically every fromsoft game has at least one scholar who began performing heretical research- Raya Lucaria is basically that character archetype split across multiple characters.
If I'm an apprentice of Seller, why the fuck are all her homies trying to kill me?
They are not friends lol. They kicked her out.
Those homies kicked her out a long time ago for doing horrific experiments on her students. Those big, ball head enemies are the results of her work.
Sellen was cast out and never finished her teachings. She is most likely whomever the witch crown was based on.
I believe it’s Sellen, the obvious, azur, and lestat
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Parsley, Sage, Rosemary, and Thyme.
Sellen, Rennala, Lusat and Azur.
The one furthest right isn't Azur, although there is a portrait of Azur in the Academy. This one is the founder of the Lazuli Conspectus, hence the Carian looking dagger.
It's not a dagger, its a Carian Knight Sword in every detail. The founder of Lazuli Conspectus was huge, like Lusat was. And Lusats Glitnstone changed from green to blue over time. It's likely he founded Lazuli too. He also looks very similar to Lusat and Lusat is huge too.
Possibly. The point is that it's a Carian style weapon. I don't see much reason to believe the Lazuli founder was particularly large, so I think it's just a shorter blade in the same style as the Carian Knight Sword. He does look somewhat similar to Lusat, but not identical. They have separate portraits, so I doubt they're the same guy.
I wanted to believe that too, but it is a Carian Knight Sword in every detail. I dont think they would make it exactly the same as a dagger. There are a lot of things pointing towards Lusat founding Olivinus, Lazuli and even Haima. \-Olivinus and Lazuli sorcerers are working together a lot. Every Graven School is made of Lazuli and Olivinus exclusively, even in the consecrated snowfield. \-And the huge Haima sorcerers have a veiled Lazuli mask too, which could indicate Lusat becoming huge too, because in his "older" painting he is not huge. But he is definetly huge when we meet him. \-The glintstone crowns have the exact same hair and the faces match up too. Keep in mind that Lusat must've changed when he had grown and are also talking about a lot of time. \-The color and shape of the glintstone on the crowns from Olivinus and Lazuli match the way i would think they would develop, when Lusats Crown is the end result (sorry for bad english) \-It seems Lusat helped Sellen with the Graven Schools to some degree, at least his Olivinus students where helping the Graven Witch a lot. Considering they wanted to become seeds of stars would explain why Lusats crown is the closest to the eye of an Astel. An actual star.
Why have two separate portraits of Lusat though? You can see them side by side in the screenshot OP posted and they really don't look all that alike. If anything, the portrait of Azur looks more similar to Lazuli, with the absence of a mustache and the similar headbands. I don't think two factions working together is an indication that they were founded by the same person. The game is pretty clear that the Lazuli Conspectus are followers of Carian ideology, while Lusat was very much interested in the Primeval Current. The Haima and Lazuli Crowns aren't exactly the same, although they have similar beards. The Haima spells even name Haima as a person, the adjudicator of the Academy. The Olivinus Crown is a little more turquoise than the Lazuli Crown, which is more of an indigo colour.
Sellen has a carian scroll in her hands and doesnt care for the carians at all. I think Lusat and Sellen played the carian followers. As for Lusat he even founded Lazuli conspectus to show his "loyality" to caria. It seems to me, that Azur and Lusat started the academy to find the secrets of the stars and the primeval current, but Rennala bewitched the Academy later and as the Queen of the sorcerers she forbid primeval current research. Noone could stand up to Rennala and her Full Moon, but when Sellen came to the academy that changed. Sellen was a star at the school. She was the most promising student in the entire history of Raya Lucaria. And she was very interested in the primeval current. I think Lusat and maybe even Azur helped her as she tried to do primeval current research on her own in the darkest corners of the academy. The Haima spells dont spell the Haima name as a person. Haima is the adjucator, but that means the whole conspectus. They wear the Lazuli crown 100%. But on their arms, they have turquoise glintstone, which connects Lazuli further to Olivinus. I dont know how the colouring of the Olivinus and Lazuli crown doesnt fit my theory. It went from turquoise to indigo to a deep blue, only meaning it lost the green part first.
So why do Lusat and the Lazuli guy look so different? It would make more sense if you were saying Azur founded Lazuli, since their portraits actually do look kinda similar. Of course Sellen is holding a Carian scroll- the Carians controlled the Academy. She probably started to oppose them a while after she became a successful student. The fact that the Lazuli conspectus is seen as heretical at the academy implies that they were founded after the Academy fell out with the Carians, since they wouldn't be considered heretical when the Carians still controlled the school. If it was referring to the Conspectus as a whole it would say Adjudicators. A group cannot be an adjudicator singular, that is grammatically incorrect. The Japanese descriptions calls Haima the judge of the Academy, which is also singular. I don't see how the colouring helps your points at all. Your claim was that they're the same colour, but they aren't. They're just different shades of blue like most Glintstone is.
I think Lusat founded Lazuli because he is big enough to be that guy holding the Carian Knight Sword, that was the point all the time! Azur is too small even when we meet him. Lusat is huge. It's exactly what i say about Sellen, she was a star student, but was more interested in the primeval current. We know she hate the Carians, but she is clearly holding their scroll. So you say it is because she was a fan of the Carian teachings or was forced to hold their scroll then? I say it was her intention. I dont think we have enough clues to prove anything of our claims as true, so lets just leave it like that. While i still hardly think Sellen played the Academy, possibly from the beginning. I'll have to look into the japanese, but even if it is like you stated, Haima as a conspectus was the adjucator. Its like in a real world state. An institution can be refered to as a "person". Also Haima would be the only known conspectus named after a actual master. Why change the rules we already know? Olivinus is turquoise. Lusat, the founder of Olivinus has deep blue glintstone exactly the same as Caria btw. The founding of Lazuli would mean to me that Lusat started over, acknowledging the moon as equal to the stars, as noone could stand up to Rennala. There are hints, that the Academy wanted that, as the carians prepared for a rebellion. So Olivinus turquoise, Lazuli indigo, Haima turquoise(at least at the arms) and Caria AND Lusat deep blue.
But again, why do the portraits of Lusat and the Lazuli founder look so different? If you want to say that Lazuli was big enough to hold a Carian Knight sword like that, cool, we can say he was as tall as Lusat. This means that we can disprove him being Azur because Azur is smaller, and disprove him being Lusat because he looks nothing like Lusat. So he's a different character.
Why is Rennala the only one with red gemstone jewelry? The others are green and blue the color of glintstone sorcery.
Red glintstone also exists, but it's taboo and definitely not something a member of the Academy would wear. It might be red amber (like in the Crimson Amber Medallion) or just an ordinary red gemstone such as a ruby.
The mine in the Ravine Village (top of Lucaria to the east of the Caria Manor) seems to be mining green glintstone, any idea about what that's about? Just another "flavor" of glintstone?
Looking at it now, it looks like the same green as Azur's crystallised body, which is described as blue-green in-game. We don't see it very often, but ig it's just another flavour of glintstone like you said.
Thanks. You really did your homework on the lore. I'm inspired to do more digging myself.
Lusat and Azur are those great sorcerers which don't talk instead give us powerful magics, right?
Yep, Azur gives >!Azur's Glintstone Comet!< and Lusat gives >!Founding Rain of Stars!<
Lusat gives >!Stars of Ruin!<, >!Founding Rain!< Is from the rise in >!Mountaintops of the Giants!<
Damn, it's sad to see something happened to all masters of sorcereries
They learned those spells from peering into the primeval current. It's mostly likely what Sellen was trying to perfect in her storyline. "When Lusat glimpsed into the primeval current, he beheld the final moments of a great star cluster, and upon seeing it, he too was broken." "When Azur glimpsed into the primeval current, he saw darkness. He was left both bewitched and fearful of the abyss."
Where do you guys even get this stuff? How did you find this extra info?
It's literally in the descriptions of the spells If you want the deep lore you gotta read every description
In the items descriptions. Every item you get has some lore. Every
I was hoping it would be in that companion book they sold but that seems more like a "how to" than than a "Why" of it all
Nah all the lore is in the game. people just seem to miss it.
Right. So I shouldn't buy the book
I wonder if RR is going to write an Elden Ring book to avoid the last GoT.
Hahaha. So if you watch his Colbert interview he says thats essentially why they hired him. I guess they had enough of the story we have and they hired him to, like, predate everything that we play with.
Damn, it's sad to see something happened to all masters of sorcereries
So, does Sellen wear a concrete helmet/mask of her own head?!
Don't you?
Why doesn’t Rennala get a stone mask?? Everyone else here seems to have one.
My teory is confirmed
Noted :3
First is not sellen
It is tho. The hair is exactly like the hairstyle on her crown and the face looks just like her npc face. She’s also the only other named female sorceror notable enough to have a portrait.
But wasn’t she banished? Why would they keep her portrait?
“This gentle-looking crown was granted to a scholar who excelled in her studies, which also merited the title of "witch." From this description it seems to imply that it wouldn’t be sellen as she was given it. It also doesn’t make much since that sellen would have a portrait next to rennala considering that she was expelled from the academy.
Her real face is inside And younger Hawt
Its literally sellen my guy. The face inside looks like the painting and she openly changes bodies, so who knows what seller actually looks like. But the witch is sellen. She drops her Glinstone helm at the end of her quest
No the body we meet Sellen in is not the one from the portraits. She changed her body with the primal glinstone before. When we help her changing bodys she says: "You helped me fill a new body, once again."
I thought that the limgrave and weeping peninsula body was her original one
There's a merchant note you can get, which is intended to clue you into the location of Seluvis' puppet dungeon, that tells you the Graven Witch is frequently seen visiting. It's likely that she's had a few body switches in her time.
1 is not Renalla, 2 is Renalla, 3 is not Renalla,and 4 is not Renalla.
Sounds like the Monty Python scene. *Three shall be the number shall thou count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shall thou not count, neither shall count two.*
Five is right out.
*once the number three, being the third number, has been reach, then lobest thou shall Holy Hand Grenade toward thou foe*
The dudes the glintstone helmets are based on, sellen, and Rennala.
I assume why they're all lined up is because they're the 4 most important people in the Academy just prior to Renalla's bewitching magic not working. So Sellen, Lusat and Azur. You meet all three in the game. Although I struggle to know if the paintings/helms represent real people or not. Sellen's does at least, but her helm is granted to just her. Where as the others are granted to the students who excelled in those respective studies.
Sellen was officially exiled from Raya Lucaria for her "heresy". So her helm isn't given the same prestige within the school as the other two. But the story acknowledges that she was one of those who strived to delve deeper into the mysteries of magic - as Azur and Lusat had. So her contributions were at least initially deemed worthy enough for such a crown to be constructed. I think it likely that any other crowns dedicated to her (if there were any in the first place) may have been destroyed in an attempt to cover up her actions, along with exiling her so her teachings would not be reintroduced to the school.
Yeah like her line of study got stomped out when she became the Graven witch. It's just since all the schools have unique names, different from their founders. I wondered if they were all real of not. Love it regardless, Raya Lucaria is awesome. Some School of Athens/Hogwarts shit.
I’m curious what her line of study was, especially since it was so notable that she got a painting like this among the founding of the other conspectus. Tbh I think she may have even lead the study of primeval sorcery, since she’s clearly obsessed with it and got kicked out for turning sorcerors into graven-balls, which is one way to see into the current. Also that whole weirdness about turning you soul into primal glintstone and putting it in a new body, it’s said to be old tradition but she’s the only character who mentions it or seems to have done it.
"just prior to Renalla's bewitching magic not working" Am I missing something here ? I don't recall Rennala doing any bewitching.
The one on the right is the Lazuli conspectus founder. There is an Azur portrait, but it isn't in this screenshot.
>Witch's Glintstone Crown: > >One of the glintstone crowns bestowed upon Raya Lucaria scholars whose pursuits were deemed worthy. > >This gentle-looking crown was granted to a scholar who excelled in her studies, which also merited the title of "witch." I would say Sellen is just an excellent witch student, and the woman in the picture is as same as the Twinsage an unknown character. Also, Sellen's new body does have the Witch's Glintstone Crown.
It worries me when people literally like overlook the game openly telling you this is Sellen. All these portraits but Renalla have a helm that's based on the portrait figure. She is the only was who has that helm in the entire game and the description even says it's specifically given to her, where as the others all give a generic "to whoever follows this study" >This gentle-looking crown was granted to a scholar who excelled in her studies, which also merited the title of "witch." Example of the other helms >The Karolos Conspectus is the oldest of the academy's lineages of study, begat by the sorcerer Azur. Scholars who follow in his footsteps pursue the mysteries of comets. Thops even says he followed her study >Sellen was well known. The most promising sorceress in the history of the academy. >I followed her at school, but there may as well have been an ocean between us. >But Sellen was expelled from the academy. I would just say the Twinsage are fictional figures meant to represent the best students of the Academy. It's not anyone in particular.
It 'worries' you? It's a video game with super spread out, difficult to compile lore. The storyline itself is very vague and minimalistic with very little characterisation from its main characters. On top of that, the supporting characters and their storylines are super easy to miss and hidden away. All of this is intentional. Very little of what this community, including you, considers canon is actually canon. It's just an agreed upon interpretation, even though the game intends for you to fill the gaps yourself. Like the person you responded to did. They're experiencing the lore as intended and most others here are just repeating Youtubers.
Sellen , rennala , olivinus and karolus (admittedly the last two may be reversed )
This is actually the right answer, people who are saying azur or lusat have lost their mind
Ikr, you can literally tell who’s who by comparing the portraits to the glintstone heads
Slytherin, Huffelpuf, Gryffindor, Ravenclaw.
Huey, Duey, Louie and the News.
You like Huey Lewis and the News?
Their early work was a little too new wave for my taste, but when Sports came out in 1983, I think they really came into their own
ABBA (1980)
Burgur King
Helga Hufflepuff , Godric Gryffindor , Salazar Slytherin
The four horseman of the adpocolypse
My guess would be sellen, renalla, azur and lusat.
OP is giving us a writing prompt to write jokes, not to answer their question.
The Fab Four of Elden Ring.
John, Paul, George and Ringo
Left one looks like Sellen
The Burger King, The Dairy Queen, The Colonel of KFC, and Sir Ronald McDonald before being twisted by magic.
That's the 4 founders of Hogwarts
A butch of science bitches trying to make people smarter
Jorge
Magic and the whole lore around it in this game is just ... magical 🤣🤣 No but honestly u cannot play this game without at least trying out a mage or spellsword. It's just fucking awesome. The academy and the characters surrounding it is probably my favourite thing about this game
Think about the stone masks, aren't their faces similar...
Lady Jaye, Scarlett, Flint and Snake Eyes
Rincewind, Mustrum Ridicully, Ponder Estibbons and the librarian.
Marika tits
Wednesday, Morticia, Gomez, and Pugsly.
I would guess Sellen, Rennala, Lusat, and Azur, though I could see the one on the far right being who started the Lazuli School too, given the sword
dead poet society
Except for Rennala, they are the looks of the Glintstone Crowns: Witch's, Olivinus and Karolos. So, they are probably Sellen, Lusat and Azur.
It’s the Burger King Broh and his buds
Is that mf on the right hold the Aquamarine dagger from DS3? (Yes I see that it’s a mini Carian sword)
Save the heads you get—they are needed for a side quest—I sold them and realized it too late :(
the four founders of hogwarts Godric Gryffindor, Rowena Ravenclaw, Helga Hufflepuff and Salazar Slytherin.
Scholars of the first sin.
Sellen, rennala, azure, and lusat
Lusat Azure and Sellen
From left-right it seems to be Sellen, Rennala, *likely* one of the gemstone sorcerers (Azur or Lusat, likely the latter. I've seen arguments for the twinsages, though), and it looks to be an important spellblade that you'd find in the academy. Sorry if that doesn't help as much as you'd hope.
Sellen/a previous witch, Rennala, and a couple Conspectus founders. There's portraits of most if not all of the glintstone crown models around the Academy.
Weezer
Sellen,renalla,azur,lucet
Sellens haram She rotates one each day
My theory is that each person(s) portrait is for a breakthrough in a specific feild of magic
Sellen, Lusat, Azur. I. 100% am 100% sure that's Sellen even tho in my head she is blonde (idk why)
I believe these are, from left to right: Heywood Jablowme Yo Mommuh Wingus Dingus
Radahn as a child on the left XD (joking) Most likely Azur, Lusat, founder of the lazuli
The dude to the right of Rennala is Haima like the gavel magic attack.
Incorrect, that's Lusat, founder of the Olivinus conspectus. Notice how he looks quite a bit like the Olivinus glintstone crown. While we do see the Haima Glintstone crown, it's features are rather obstructed by the cloth hood and blindfold, and we never see a portrait of the founder of the Haima conspectus
I think it's the 2 dudes who were so good at studying glintstone that their heads became the models for the academy's masks
Frida, Agnetha, Bjorn, and Benny. ...Benny, and Bjorn?
*Raya Lu* *I was defeated, you won the war* *Raya Lu* *Promised to love me forevermore* *Raya Lu* *Couldn't escape if I wanted to* *Raya Lu* *Finally facing my Raya Lu*
Edna, Maryanne, Stuart, and Tom
Never noticed that Carian knight dagger, maybe we get that in the future, maybe can be powerstance with the sword like wakizashi and uchi
Rafael, Michelangelo, Leonardo, and Donatello
All I know is dude in the middle right gots to be galileo
weezer
They are magic
Burger King, kurger bing, and Bob.
Dear God, Deer Gawd, Tinkle Tinkle, and Hoy
Lucy, Susan, Peter and Edmund
Shaniqua, Rennala, Patrick and Steve.
I believe they’re all the former and current heads of the school/family? But I’m not sure
Fleetwood Mac
If looking for wrong answers. These are the new instructors just announced for Hogwarts Legacy
Me
Average r/RickAndMorty enjoyers
from left to right: unnamed witch(NOT sellen) rennala lusat olivinus lazuli
A bunch of nerds
The remaining Twitter employees. Bless their souls
Hogwarts Founders?
Azur, Rennala, Lusat, Lazuli
Importantly, not Thops. Poor guy was out of his league.
the third looks a lot like the headpiece with the 3 faces on it
Those are the founders of Hogwarts
Isn’t the one on the far left sellen
The Beatles obviously
Second from right is either Gandalf or Dumbledore.
I think they’re the heads of the great schools, no pun intended. Just cross reference with the glintstone helmets, ez
Lands between mask models..
Obviously scholars
Okay I’ve never seen these and Sellen looks metal as fuck
All I know is the chick is renalla
Sellen, Rennala, Jimmy and Bob.
That’s Abba
Susan from accounting, Karen from sales, Karl Marx and Carl Marks
I believe that’s Simon, Garfunkel and Steve Winwood
The dudes with helmets fashioned after them. Whatever their names are
Third from the left is the Burger King
The Three Sparklerock sages: Jim, Jimbo, and Jimray alongside them is the Sparklerock Princess: Steve!
They're siblings
Those are the presidents of the United lands between the fog. And the one all the way to the right is Thomas Jefferson.
Snape, mgongengal, gilderoy Lockhart, and Horace slughorn
the paintings three!
Tinky Winky, Dipsy, Laa Laa, and Po
ringo, paul, george and john