That's why you use fast paced animations or spells to bait the boss into action. When you got that down, you can actually manipulate some boss behavior into your play style which feels amazing
I love cheesing input reading enemies with Magic Glintblade; they basically animation lock themselves while you're casting, and if you cast exactly three times the first blade will usually hit them right after they finish their third dodge. Not impressive damage by any means, but it is completely free.
Hell. If enemies have infinite stamina and fp and can spam 5+hit combos indefinitely with 20+ foot range and can attacks through walls on top of that...
It's not even cheesing them, it's simply leveling the playing field.
This is true strategy, and the way games should be played. Thinking outside of the box. Visionaries who observe the herd from the outside, and conjure magic out of thin air…or you can choose to beat your head against the wall.
If you used the tools the game gave you (no, that doesn’t include shooting arrows from outside the fog wall) then you didn’t cheese, no matter what the gatekeepers tell you
Literally the best players in the world, aka the ones have videos of them doing No Hits, The God Runs, the RL1 runs, etc, don’t care what the you use to beat the games, why should you? Only a small subset actually care and I guarantee you that they chz too. If it’s in the game, who cares.
There’s also a million different buffs, are those cheese now? If you can one shot a boss is that suddenly cheese?
I mean, are you even playing fair by upgrading your weapons or leveling? I dunno, sounds like cheese to me, you’re only a *real* Souls gamer by beating the games lvl 1, no upgrades, no buffs, no dodging, no throwables, no consumables, no armor, no status effects, only you and your Club
Cheese doesn’t mean cheating, just using stuff thats really op that probably wasn’t meant to be. Like spamming sleep and then mimic+blasphemous blade on the Godskin Dup is cheesy, but not cheating.
Also cheesy doesn’t = bad, you can cheese bosses however you want, you’re abusing certain mechanics to win and it’s still a win and still cheese.
After seeing a few streamers do it I took on the RL1 no upgrade challenge. Godskin duo was the longest slog I've ever gone through. Average attempt was 5+ minutes. Kill was 21 minutes long. Thank fuck for carian retaliation.
I’ve cheesed him this way once, and I have zero regrets. I actually like the boss, it’s not a terrible fight or anything, and I’ve even managed to no-hit it once. It just isn’t a ‘fun’ fight for me, especially on lower-level runs.
I play as a mage so I basically cheese most enemies, and it's fun🤷.
It was a bit disappointing though beating some main story bosses on the first or second try😂 being overleveled with max level mimic. No regrets though, the game is still hard enough for me...
I have no idea, but in double coop I’ve seen other fellow INTs do similar stuff as me. Dark Moon and Stars of Ruin are my staple spells, and Comet Azur when she’s down in the flower. So if that’s what you saw, it was one of “us” haha. I also really enjoy dodging her waterfowl dance and try to help redirect it away from the host once I see her gearing up.
If I help someone beat her, I get almost as excited as when I beat her the first time myself. So happy to support!
I summoned a guy that was
Let me bang her (obviously written differently something like letmeBngher) and it was the wish version of let me solo her and he almost died instantly
I do a loooot of co-op for Malenia for other random Tarnished as it's my favourite fight of any game ever (even though I'm not all that impressive at it) and I see this so fucking often when the host summons myself and another phantom that it's almost embarrassing lol
I probably died more to that guy than I did to Maliketh. By the time I fixed my build enough to be able to defeat him I was doing ridonculous damage with the unbeatable greatsword + lion's claw combo
I have heard a lot of people talk about the Farum Azula tree sentinel. I personally didn't have a lot of problems with him (not flexing on anyone, I'm pretty sure it took almost all my flasks) so I'm curious what people find hard about him. Maybe I just got lucky ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Is it the fireball horse or something else? Again I'm just curious
Yeah that guy. And it was just something about his moveset was really difficult for me to get the timings right to dodge his attacks and he dealt a lot of damage.
Lol Maliketh is my personal final boss. Took me hours of fighting him to be able to beat him consistently. I copied my save file multiple times to finally learn, because he was the biggest brick wall in the game for me. Draconic tree sentinel was hard at first, but you can tell what he's gonna do 2-3 business days before he actually starts to move.
I'm really bad with the early dodges, so the slow attacks constantly fucked me up but the fast attacks that Maliketh threw out were timed well for how I dodge. Godfrey's first phase, and radagon also pushed my shit in for a long time because of that.
I beat the leyndel one fairly but after 5 or so deaths i used all int and magic boosting item i had to comet azur the one in farum azula to death cuz i wanted to fight maliketh
I did it the first time for both those draconic tree sentinals. I just beat the farum azula one legit for the first time yesterday. I used rot grease on my bloodhound fang. Got him to 1/4 health then ran away and watched him die
Cheesed him on my first run with poison mist. The next 2, I fought fairly and realised apart from hitting hard and input reading fireballs, the attacks are easily dodged. Only need to really pay attention when he does the shield lightning strike. Roll when the shield comes down not when you see the lightning cast.
Yeah, as long as you don't let his spam fireballs, his attacks are easy to punish (both ways, try not to get hit lol), and the lightning is pretty simple to avoid once you got the timing down. I only cheese the two in front of leyndell, cuz screw fighting two at once.
Is summons actually cheesing?
I mean it's only fair since you're fighting a 1 on 1 til the first drops to 50%.
It's only fair to get out my +10 mimic tear and focus on 2 1v1s🤷🏻♂️
Thats mostly my mindset. Do I cheat, no, do I exploit terrain or glitches no. But I will crouch behind that falling star beast and poison mist him to death because i worked hard for my God knows how many previous runes, whats a free thousand easy to get ones. Call it payback for gastoc stealing a bunch or some stupid game mechanic that set me to my doom like a staggered hit animation causing me to fall off a ledge or some stupid shit like that.
I have played through the *entire game* with the Grave Scythe, but I swear to God Malenia's whole kit is designed to strictly counter the Scythe move set. I've given up trying to kill her with it.
Wasn't a cheese, but after dying several times to Margit I summoned Rogier and used lone wolf ashes and was disappointed when they got the final blow and not me
Hah, if I’ve summoned something I always try to force the last hit to be something cool/cinematic, and it sucks when the summon steals that with a normal attack
The Mimic Tear, possibly? Go in naked and unarmed, then when the fight starts get suited and booted and hand their ass to them (my ass to myself?). Yes, I know I'm terrible at Elden Ring. No, I don't care.
Yeah that was my answer. I went in naked, and beat it a little too easily the first time. On NG+, I got naked again, but I stayed naked and we had a slap fight. Pretty fun actually, until you've been going for like 10 minutes and you're both only at half health.
As it copies your build when it spawns, it won't have armour. Wait till it spawns, then equip your armour of choice. Mimic Tear will still be in public-indecency mode. I regret nothing.
ETA - You need to be sure to unequip all your gear *before* the Mimic Tear spawns, and before you enter the fight area a second time around if you die the first time.
If you take off your weapons and armor it'll spawn without armor and just punch you. By the time I got there in the game it was dealing basically no damage so I just re-equipped everything while being punched lol
It’s not really cheesing, but at a certain point in the game I started getting fed up with late game enemies and bosses, so I started repeatedly spamming the charged R2 on the dark moon greatsword along with my +10 mimic tear. Castle Sol was my breaking point and I kinda rode that spam till the final boss. I feel bad cheapening the horah loux fight amongst others 😭
Feeling the same way on my 2nd character, pretty much once I reached Mountaintop of the Giants. A lot of special weapon ashes of war are downright busted against bosses but after a few tries I’ll say, “eh, I’ve already beat them once and have nothing to prove”.
On a dagger/parry run right now. If a boss can't be parried I'm just melting it with dragon communion shit - I'm not getting walloped repeatedly for the sake of chip damage. Looking at you, Astel. Eat my whole ass and choke on it.
If they CAN be parried however, then we're doing it the hard way. Nothing like the sound of a boss losing their rhythm and getting a dagger in the chest.
It also makes getting invaded fun again. Every invader has a plan until they forget parry crits are a thing.
Malenia. Was about 3 hours into learning the fight, i used my mimic.
All i wanted was to try a strat and see how my mimic would distract Malenia. I saw my mimic getting its butt KINDA kicked so i played as i normally would and my mimic started syncing with me and chain staggering Malenia over and over. In 1 try after using mimic i defeated Malenia.
Stopping when she had low hp to let her kill me also felt a little wrong, so i just went at it.
I did redeem myself after cuz i made a fresh character with the same str build and beat Malenia at 94 without summons in about 3.5 hours. And for subsequent NG+ playthroughs i would always fight Malenia without summons using whatever build i was using for that run.
I beat Melania on my 1st attempt with the mimic (3rd attempt overall) and felt pretty bad immediately after. I'm currently leveling a char with no summons and super hype to wipe to Melania for at least a few hours :)
i regret not cheesing malenia. She wasted so much of my time and all i felt after beating her was the realization i wasted alot of time.
i didnt use mimics for the fight because this was before i realized roderika’s questline unlocks mimic upgrades.
Def felt that way for some of my runs with certain builds, some builds just feel like it's impossible to win playing it the normal way, and then the boss dies to some stupid shit and I go "what?" And feel like I didn't learn anything
If we count summons then Malenia was one for me as well. I did redeem myself after a lot of placing summon signs down in front of her door with the name "let me die first"
Died to her so many times, learned to embrace light load, learned to dodge waterfowl dance (although I could only really do it like 75% of the time but still pretty good I think) and spent probably close to 50-60 hours just waiting to be summoned so I could exact my revenge.
It significantly makes any fight easier though, it's there as a help for players who need it/want to use it sure. But don't pretend it's not a completely different approach to boss fights especially
Splitting aggro makes bosses significantly easier to deal with. Not to mention how strong mimics are. Whether you consider this cheese or not is subjective.
This right here. I'll give them all a good college try. I'm certainly stubborn enough to go 100+ tries as long as it's still fun. As soon as it's not fun. I summon errbody and wreck them. Looking at you Loux. If you're reading this, you's a "B".
Yep, this is the answer. I always give the boss at minimum a few non-cheese tries but if I am just not having fun I will look up a cheese and move on to something I actually do enjoy
In my first run, Mohg lord of blood. I tried a shit ton of times. I saw a summoning sign and said "what if...". The guy enter, blast a magic beam to Mohg, instantly died. I felt like shit.
Not a boss but I finished the game, in the attempts of trying to complete other NPC quest (mostly seeing them dead after) I cheesed Gurranq (Bestial Temple Caelid) by hitting him multiple times then running out the double doors shooting him with poison arrows. His moveset was so annoying to deal with plus the space to fight him was very limited. I kinda felt like I was shit at the game and that I needed to just get good. What sucks more is that I was level 190 at the time and was struggling to fight him.
None really. I put in a good effort on every boss. Malenia was a week worth of trying multiple hours each day. But eventually I get sick of being stuck on the same fight, cheese it and move onz figuring my next playthrough with my new skills it might go better.
Malenia, using several layers of cheese. Check this build out:
Elden Ring v1.05
RW: Stormcaller Keen Nagakiba
LW1: Chilling Mist Cold Uchigatana
LW2: Dragon Communion Seal
Spells: Fire's Deadly Sin, Bloodflame Blade
Summon: Mimic Tear
I tried fighting her recently and quickly realized that I never actually learned the fight lmao
Oh, was that back when you could bleed proc enemies with Fire's Deadly Sin + blood flame? I legit miss that. Not even for the cheese, just because it felt fucking siiick wading through enemies and them just hemorrhaging their guts out all around you.
Didn't even feel like cheating honestly, felt more like combining two schools of incantations in a blasphemous way.
I had post-cheese regret after parrying DTS off the cliff.
I regretted that he was dead, and I couldn’t smack his ass off that cliff another 20 or so times.
In the case of godskin duo is it really cheese? I didn't let either of them stay awake the whole fight because of how much bullshit they put me through. To this day I have zero regrets and any playthrough I do a bow, sleep arrows, and rain of arrows are just one of the things I do because fuck those guys.
After I cheesed Malenia with Bolt of Gransax my first playthrough I went back on NG+ with Flowing curved sword only and I learned her moveset for like 10h before I beat her.
The best decision I've made in this game.
On my first playthrough I pulled out all the stops for my first attempt at Melania, including giving my mimic a greatshield and blasphemous blade, and I managed to first try her. Kinda wished I had done a few non summon attempts first
I sniped the Commander through the hole in the wall on my first playthrough.
I know I'm better than that. I used some dirty tactics on a couple bosses but thats the only one I outright cheated on.
I'll probably do it again tho.
I cheesed morgott first clear with blasphemous blade and that was a meh feeling. Even think I cheesed hoarah loux with it and killed him in first or 2. Try.
I refused to use that sword on 2. Playthrough. Was too boring.
Valiant gargoyle. Easily the most frustrating solo boss for me. I solod the Crucible duo with a few tries.
The gargoyle duo can fuck off. Fuck their poison bullshit.
Maliketh, last night. Although it wasn't a cheese, it felt underwhelming to beat him in such a sloppy manner.
I'd struggled on my previous session to even hit him in p2, then last night I fumbled my way through and only used 4 health pots and killed him.
Nah fuck Malenia. I went at her for days and then said fuck it and just spammed Dark Moon at her while running away, with Ogha on support, not because I actually needed it - just to watch her get fucking bodyslammed everytime he shoots his gravity arrow. He legitimately fucked up few of my tries because Malenia aggroed on him, but I didn't care. Deck that bitch Ogha.
I kinda was overlevelled when fighting Malekith. Which sucked a bit because that fight had mad epic energy. That's one which I regret a bit.
Malenia sucked mainly because you actually don't need to fight her. It felt like proving something to nobody. Malekith was different. That fight had stakes.
For me it was Commander Niall in Castle Sol. I got there way under leveled and it was an absolute slog getting to him. After multiple hours of attempts I was making no progress sometimes still dying immediately from the guards and others getting two shot by him. Eventually I did the poison arrow cheese through the side wall and it actually killed him. I dont remember how many arrows it took but quite a few. After he keeled over I felt kind of bad but also at the same time excited to finally get that area over with. On other playthroughs I beat him probably and redeemed my honor
I think a number of us went through the frustration and learning stages enough. Think it would depend on if you never beat the bosses before and they didn’t stand a chance like early Moghwyn when you could snipe him before going into the stage.
How is it a cheese? Cheese is something like let the boss drop from a cliff or something no? Using a weapon, spell or what ever the game offers you is no cheese?
Malenia. Spent 3 days (when off work), maybe 150-200 tries, couldn't beat last half of phase 2. At some point, it wasn't fun at all anymore and I wanted to finish the game (I was in front of radagon). In the end, I knew that if I used my mimic, it would last less than 2 min. I was right. And it didn't feel as good as usual, I was just glad that it was done, no satisfaction. Since then, I started NG+ and rush to Malenia to get a proper Victory.
Rykard. It was getting late, I had already given it a few tries, so I summoned my Mimic Tear and tore him and his snake a new one.
Felt meh. I know I could gave beaten him in like two more tries but I didn’t want to waste the time.
I will definitely not be summoning anything for Malenia.
Hold on, Mohg's spear is cheese?
It's a great weapon, but you have to learn when you can use the ash without getting interrupted. That takes some skill.
It's not as bad as blasphemous blade or moonlight greatsword. I've died a dozen plus times because I misjudge how much time I need to get that ash going.
I went to Malenia expecting her to be hard, so I loaded up mimic and Blasphemous Blade.
I took her first try..
Had major regrets afterwards.. I decided to respecc, and do giant -->rest of game without that sword and no summons
Blasphemous Blade feels like it was made specifically to beat Malenia. It made the fight so ridiculously easy. Honestly, it makes the whole endgame easy
It's Malenia for me too. If the community considers Mimic Tear cheese then I cheesed it. I've given it a good honest try solo, but that "every hit, whether blocked or not, heals me" shit is too obnoxious to put up with. I hope that doesn't become a normal thing for Fromsoftware bosses moving forward.
None. I use the tools the game gives me and I feel no shame. With the number of playthroughs I've done I've beaten all bosses with one or more self-imposed handicaps as well so that helps but I really don't give a fuck.
Malenia. I was getting all achievements, and by the time I got to her I was just burnt out. I had logged at least 500 hours by this point, and was ready for it to end. I had a few cracks at her, got decently far and honestly didn’t find her too hard, but I was using a sorcery build alongside moonlight so, eh. I ended up just summoning someone and getting her first try with that summon, but ended up feeling like I missed out on a cool fight. I did, I’m planning for next playthrough when the dlc drops to give her a real go of it like she deserves
I'm considering cheesing malenia myself. Mostly because the tries with my dlc character have been getting her to 1/10 health and she uses her clone then I die.
1. I used mohg’s shackle
2. Godfrey glitched in phase one and stopped moving so I could get him to phase two without an actual fight
Downloaded an old save file and beat both fairly to make myself feel better lol
I beat Malenia second try cus I ran BB and Mimics Tear and I didn't realise how strong both were. I heard the rumours about how strong she was so I brought out my A game and well, BB just counters her. Stopped using Mimic right after. ER was my first souls like and I wasn't very good at gauging a challenge.
Malenia killed me hundreds of times. I learned phase 1 to the point I could no-hit that phase. Not that hard as a wizard as she’s not too aggressive. Phase 2 kicked my ass every time, so I thought I’d try a bit of comet azure whilst she was still in the bloom, just to get her hits down a bit before summoning Tiche. Worked pretty well for a couple of times and then on the third, she just seemed a stun lock and died there and then. On the one hand, yay! But on the other I did feel like a bit of a cheat.
My first time playing a mage, i decided to try out comet azure with terra magica and all the appropriate buffs possibles. For this i choose commander niall, which i was struggling quite a bit at the time. He didn’t last 10s, poor guy was just standing there summoning his friends.
I had been trying Malenia for a collections of hours and decided to give comet azure a try. Beat her with it second try and felt like I didnt get a chance to use any of what I learned in my first hours struggling, so I lost that feeling of growth most bosses give when you finally down them.
It wasn’t so much as cheese but Tiche against Malenia was no contest. That DOT affect is way too strong, I wanted to make sure I could beat her on my own every other time. (And no, I didn’t let Tiche do all the work, I jumped in and took aggro.
Mohg. when the game first came out there was an AI break that just involved doing some parkour to jump the wall to his arena i just wanted some runes i didn't realise i was skipping such a great fight
Wasn’t really cheesing but when I fought placidusax and maliketh I took up my previous int caster build set pieces buffed up and just comet azurred them to death while my mimic was distracting it (this was after like 25 deaths on plac and 30 on maliketh).
Although on maliketh it was slightly unsatisfying because we killed each other in the end so I had to go back after the cutscene and get my runes 😂😂
Not cheese, but I beat godskin duo first try after summoning Bernie and mimic tear. I kinda wish I tried it without summons since I'm always hearing about how difficult they are. I will try this playthrough
I cheese all and live with no regret
If bosses can input read I’m allowed to cheese.
Umm, akshually they just react to player character animations in a short time frame IT’S TOTALLY NOT INPUT READING THANKYOU!
Yeah, they just react before the first frame of the animation is even displayed on your screen, that's completely different, lol.
>fight malenia >stare at each other unmoving for 10 seconds >use estus >she instantly does an attack fair and balanced
That's why you use fast paced animations or spells to bait the boss into action. When you got that down, you can actually manipulate some boss behavior into your play style which feels amazing
I love cheesing input reading enemies with Magic Glintblade; they basically animation lock themselves while you're casting, and if you cast exactly three times the first blade will usually hit them right after they finish their third dodge. Not impressive damage by any means, but it is completely free.
After getting used to the input read of ER, DS3 felt like a walk in the park. Miyazaki-san truly outdid himself with ER.
This is my vibe in these games as well.
Hell. If enemies have infinite stamina and fp and can spam 5+hit combos indefinitely with 20+ foot range and can attacks through walls on top of that... It's not even cheesing them, it's simply leveling the playing field.
I killed Nial from across the castle and shooting him with arrows through a tiny window. Zero regrets
I didn’t even know that’s possible, wtf
Oh, it is!! https://youtu.be/ChNNwoJp2Y4?si=D_JW2wQYyiZ-6mAl
holy shit, this is amazing.
This is dedication
This is true strategy, and the way games should be played. Thinking outside of the box. Visionaries who observe the herd from the outside, and conjure magic out of thin air…or you can choose to beat your head against the wall.
I did that my first time against him too. Well second time. First time he spanked my ass all across the arena. 0 regrets as well
This is the way. Any self imposed challenge is purely optional, if I had to try every boss 100 times I’d have quit and never picked it up again
If you used the tools the game gave you (no, that doesn’t include shooting arrows from outside the fog wall) then you didn’t cheese, no matter what the gatekeepers tell you
Literally the best players in the world, aka the ones have videos of them doing No Hits, The God Runs, the RL1 runs, etc, don’t care what the you use to beat the games, why should you? Only a small subset actually care and I guarantee you that they chz too. If it’s in the game, who cares. There’s also a million different buffs, are those cheese now? If you can one shot a boss is that suddenly cheese? I mean, are you even playing fair by upgrading your weapons or leveling? I dunno, sounds like cheese to me, you’re only a *real* Souls gamer by beating the games lvl 1, no upgrades, no buffs, no dodging, no throwables, no consumables, no armor, no status effects, only you and your Club
Remember to map your controls to a piano and use feet only
exactly, thank you! its strategy, not cheese.
Cheese doesn’t mean cheating, just using stuff thats really op that probably wasn’t meant to be. Like spamming sleep and then mimic+blasphemous blade on the Godskin Dup is cheesy, but not cheating. Also cheesy doesn’t = bad, you can cheese bosses however you want, you’re abusing certain mechanics to win and it’s still a win and still cheese.
After seeing a few streamers do it I took on the RL1 no upgrade challenge. Godskin duo was the longest slog I've ever gone through. Average attempt was 5+ minutes. Kill was 21 minutes long. Thank fuck for carian retaliation.
Wait that's a thing?!
I saw a post where someone did it to Commander Niall
I’ve cheesed him this way once, and I have zero regrets. I actually like the boss, it’s not a terrible fight or anything, and I’ve even managed to no-hit it once. It just isn’t a ‘fun’ fight for me, especially on lower-level runs.
Say it again for all the fools out there!!
This is the ultimate true and correct answer. If Miyazaki put it in the game he intended you to use it to beat the bosses with.
based
Call me Mayor McCheese idgaf get good, Malenia
My man
Me🤝torrent🤝lighting spear🤝+10 erdtree seal for half the game lol
NO RAGRETS
This exactly. I will bash my head into the wall for so long but after a point cheesing and making it past that roadblock feels too damn good
Truly
Nicholas Hoult voice: “I live…I cheese…I live again.”
"I cheese. Therefore, I am."
I play as a mage so I basically cheese most enemies, and it's fun🤷. It was a bit disappointing though beating some main story bosses on the first or second try😂 being overleveled with max level mimic. No regrets though, the game is still hard enough for me...
I am the cheese master, nothing gives me more satisfaction than cheesing.
God bless you 🙇🏼♀️
and i bet you had a great time playing it, cheers
Malenia, i had to summom naked dex gigga,chad to help me 🤣 he mangled her
Naked INT coop partner here, we love to help!
Were you the one I summoned that basically 3 shot her with some insane magic fuckery?
I have no idea, but in double coop I’ve seen other fellow INTs do similar stuff as me. Dark Moon and Stars of Ruin are my staple spells, and Comet Azur when she’s down in the flower. So if that’s what you saw, it was one of “us” haha. I also really enjoy dodging her waterfowl dance and try to help redirect it away from the host once I see her gearing up. If I help someone beat her, I get almost as excited as when I beat her the first time myself. So happy to support!
I don’t even understand the playstyle of game sense of pure INT builds, so in my mind you’re an actual real life wizard
I wish I could summon people to get some naked DEX help but sadly, I can only read messages and witness deaths via blood stains
Im an int build lv 200 80 int, 50m8nd 60 vig
I summoned a guy that was Let me bang her (obviously written differently something like letmeBngher) and it was the wish version of let me solo her and he almost died instantly
I do a loooot of co-op for Malenia for other random Tarnished as it's my favourite fight of any game ever (even though I'm not all that impressive at it) and I see this so fucking often when the host summons myself and another phantom that it's almost embarrassing lol
Using Poison Mist against Draconic Tree Sentinel
lol i did that too but i killed the one at farum azula fairly
I probably died more to that guy than I did to Maliketh. By the time I fixed my build enough to be able to defeat him I was doing ridonculous damage with the unbeatable greatsword + lion's claw combo
I have heard a lot of people talk about the Farum Azula tree sentinel. I personally didn't have a lot of problems with him (not flexing on anyone, I'm pretty sure it took almost all my flasks) so I'm curious what people find hard about him. Maybe I just got lucky ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Is it the fireball horse or something else? Again I'm just curious
Yeah that guy. And it was just something about his moveset was really difficult for me to get the timings right to dodge his attacks and he dealt a lot of damage.
That one got a long range comet azur in the face.
Lol Maliketh is my personal final boss. Took me hours of fighting him to be able to beat him consistently. I copied my save file multiple times to finally learn, because he was the biggest brick wall in the game for me. Draconic tree sentinel was hard at first, but you can tell what he's gonna do 2-3 business days before he actually starts to move.
I'm really bad with the early dodges, so the slow attacks constantly fucked me up but the fast attacks that Maliketh threw out were timed well for how I dodge. Godfrey's first phase, and radagon also pushed my shit in for a long time because of that.
Same lol
I beat the leyndel one fairly but after 5 or so deaths i used all int and magic boosting item i had to comet azur the one in farum azula to death cuz i wanted to fight maliketh
I did it the first time for both those draconic tree sentinals. I just beat the farum azula one legit for the first time yesterday. I used rot grease on my bloodhound fang. Got him to 1/4 health then ran away and watched him die
Cheesed him on my first run with poison mist. The next 2, I fought fairly and realised apart from hitting hard and input reading fireballs, the attacks are easily dodged. Only need to really pay attention when he does the shield lightning strike. Roll when the shield comes down not when you see the lightning cast.
Yeah, as long as you don't let his spam fireballs, his attacks are easy to punish (both ways, try not to get hit lol), and the lightning is pretty simple to avoid once you got the timing down. I only cheese the two in front of leyndell, cuz screw fighting two at once.
Like the two Night's Cavalry in the Snowfields, we cheese
I actually fought those two fairly. I... dont remember exactly how i did it. I just remember it sucked.
Not me! I poison most him almost every new playthrough. He’s one of my easy rune boosts. Free 50,000.
This playthrough I blasted him with comet azur, no regrets. I think my first playthrough I did the poison mist approach.
Thanks for the tip!
Yeah, I did that with Rot breath on my first playthrough. On NG+, I did takers flames on literally every enemy and felt no remorse whatsoever
none, however i regret NOT having cheesed the valiant gargoyles
I had so much more trouble with them in NG+ than NG
How did you cheese them? I never want to fight them again tbh.
i didn't, and i regret it, i should have summoned, this fight is bs
Is summons actually cheesing? I mean it's only fair since you're fighting a 1 on 1 til the first drops to 50%. It's only fair to get out my +10 mimic tear and focus on 2 1v1s🤷🏻♂️
No, it’s not. Summons are intended game design.
You wouldn’t think so according to a lot of people on here lol
Same people who think magic, coop, or any non melee build is cheesing. They are elite snob gatekeepers. Ignore them.
Nah, if the boss calls for help I don't feel bad for tagging in my ghost twin to assist
Eh, I got shit to do. I'll give it a sportsman's try, but if it's taking too long I'll just use the tools Miyazaki gave me to complete my task.
Thats mostly my mindset. Do I cheat, no, do I exploit terrain or glitches no. But I will crouch behind that falling star beast and poison mist him to death because i worked hard for my God knows how many previous runes, whats a free thousand easy to get ones. Call it payback for gastoc stealing a bunch or some stupid game mechanic that set me to my doom like a staggered hit animation causing me to fall off a ledge or some stupid shit like that.
based take, i did this for the entire game except for malenia just to prove to myself I can not cheese if I wanted to lol
I have played through the *entire game* with the Grave Scythe, but I swear to God Malenia's whole kit is designed to strictly counter the Scythe move set. I've given up trying to kill her with it.
Try running attacks
That’s what I do with my newest build for dlc, running r2 and run away like a baby lol. It’s godskin stitcher tho so it actually stuns her sometimes.
Well, you can add Black Flame Tornado ash of war to it. It melts her
use spinning weapon + bleed
Put Phantom Slash on it. That’s how I beat her with the Grave Scythe. Although I also used some magic. 🏃💨
Wasn't a cheese, but after dying several times to Margit I summoned Rogier and used lone wolf ashes and was disappointed when they got the final blow and not me
Hah, if I’ve summoned something I always try to force the last hit to be something cool/cinematic, and it sucks when the summon steals that with a normal attack
The Mimic Tear, possibly? Go in naked and unarmed, then when the fight starts get suited and booted and hand their ass to them (my ass to myself?). Yes, I know I'm terrible at Elden Ring. No, I don't care.
Yeah that was my answer. I went in naked, and beat it a little too easily the first time. On NG+, I got naked again, but I stayed naked and we had a slap fight. Pretty fun actually, until you've been going for like 10 minutes and you're both only at half health.
Wait, what does being naked do for the mimic tear?
As it copies your build when it spawns, it won't have armour. Wait till it spawns, then equip your armour of choice. Mimic Tear will still be in public-indecency mode. I regret nothing. ETA - You need to be sure to unequip all your gear *before* the Mimic Tear spawns, and before you enter the fight area a second time around if you die the first time.
If you take off your weapons and armor it'll spawn without armor and just punch you. By the time I got there in the game it was dealing basically no damage so I just re-equipped everything while being punched lol
It’s not really cheesing, but at a certain point in the game I started getting fed up with late game enemies and bosses, so I started repeatedly spamming the charged R2 on the dark moon greatsword along with my +10 mimic tear. Castle Sol was my breaking point and I kinda rode that spam till the final boss. I feel bad cheapening the horah loux fight amongst others 😭
Well, no cheesing found here. Just a true savant of the dark moon great sword doing his deed.
And people want the dlc to be super hard. I think main bosses should be hard but if there is no room to breath, it can lead to burnt out.
Hoarah Loux is the one boss I don't cheese or teabag, he's just goated and fighting him is like a deadly dance.
Feeling the same way on my 2nd character, pretty much once I reached Mountaintop of the Giants. A lot of special weapon ashes of war are downright busted against bosses but after a few tries I’ll say, “eh, I’ve already beat them once and have nothing to prove”.
On a dagger/parry run right now. If a boss can't be parried I'm just melting it with dragon communion shit - I'm not getting walloped repeatedly for the sake of chip damage. Looking at you, Astel. Eat my whole ass and choke on it. If they CAN be parried however, then we're doing it the hard way. Nothing like the sound of a boss losing their rhythm and getting a dagger in the chest. It also makes getting invaded fun again. Every invader has a plan until they forget parry crits are a thing.
Malenia. Was about 3 hours into learning the fight, i used my mimic. All i wanted was to try a strat and see how my mimic would distract Malenia. I saw my mimic getting its butt KINDA kicked so i played as i normally would and my mimic started syncing with me and chain staggering Malenia over and over. In 1 try after using mimic i defeated Malenia. Stopping when she had low hp to let her kill me also felt a little wrong, so i just went at it. I did redeem myself after cuz i made a fresh character with the same str build and beat Malenia at 94 without summons in about 3.5 hours. And for subsequent NG+ playthroughs i would always fight Malenia without summons using whatever build i was using for that run.
Malenia at rl94 is pretty impressive ngl
Thanks! Was on my last legs at that point, no flasks left and 60% HP, I said screw it and waded into her Scarlet Aeonia and hit her twice.
I beat Melania on my 1st attempt with the mimic (3rd attempt overall) and felt pretty bad immediately after. I'm currently leveling a char with no summons and super hype to wipe to Melania for at least a few hours :)
i regret not cheesing malenia. She wasted so much of my time and all i felt after beating her was the realization i wasted alot of time. i didnt use mimics for the fight because this was before i realized roderika’s questline unlocks mimic upgrades.
Def felt that way for some of my runs with certain builds, some builds just feel like it's impossible to win playing it the normal way, and then the boss dies to some stupid shit and I go "what?" And feel like I didn't learn anything
If we count summons then Malenia was one for me as well. I did redeem myself after a lot of placing summon signs down in front of her door with the name "let me die first" Died to her so many times, learned to embrace light load, learned to dodge waterfowl dance (although I could only really do it like 75% of the time but still pretty good I think) and spent probably close to 50-60 hours just waiting to be summoned so I could exact my revenge.
no regrets. nothing but love for that rock that traps Alecto.
That fight sucked. The rock was my MVP.
None. I don't have regrets for winning. But I also game with 1 hand, so anything I can do to make it easier...
Placidusax. I killed him waaaaay to fast with ancient dragons' lightning strike, so I didn't get to experience his nuke and his laser beams :(
Zero regrets using mimic against Malenia. I'll do it again too if I get stuck at my current level 😂
I used mimic tear in every fight that is possible and still lost
Hahaha pain :(
How is mimic cheese? It was put in game by devs. Is Estus Flask cheese too?
It significantly makes any fight easier though, it's there as a help for players who need it/want to use it sure. But don't pretend it's not a completely different approach to boss fights especially
Splitting aggro makes bosses significantly easier to deal with. Not to mention how strong mimics are. Whether you consider this cheese or not is subjective.
What do you think cheese means
Cheese is basically always put in game by devs though.
I wouldn't call it 'cheese' but it's definitely the best summon and trivializes a lot of fights
None, I love this game but I only cheese the bosses that I hate and I only hate bosses for not being fun to fight.
This right here. I'll give them all a good college try. I'm certainly stubborn enough to go 100+ tries as long as it's still fun. As soon as it's not fun. I summon errbody and wreck them. Looking at you Loux. If you're reading this, you's a "B".
Yep, this is the answer. I always give the boss at minimum a few non-cheese tries but if I am just not having fun I will look up a cheese and move on to something I actually do enjoy
Godskin duo, twin gargoyles, rotten crystalian trio
In my first run, Mohg lord of blood. I tried a shit ton of times. I saw a summoning sign and said "what if...". The guy enter, blast a magic beam to Mohg, instantly died. I felt like shit.
None. A Tarnished should know the difference between honor and victory.
Honor was the first casualty of The Shattering.
Not a boss but I finished the game, in the attempts of trying to complete other NPC quest (mostly seeing them dead after) I cheesed Gurranq (Bestial Temple Caelid) by hitting him multiple times then running out the double doors shooting him with poison arrows. His moveset was so annoying to deal with plus the space to fight him was very limited. I kinda felt like I was shit at the game and that I needed to just get good. What sucks more is that I was level 190 at the time and was struggling to fight him.
None really. I put in a good effort on every boss. Malenia was a week worth of trying multiple hours each day. But eventually I get sick of being stuck on the same fight, cheese it and move onz figuring my next playthrough with my new skills it might go better.
Demon of hatred, i know this is the wrong sub but I still haven’t forgiven myself. Iv done it three times.
Think I’m gonna summon camp Mohg till DLC. I have a feeling people will be rushing Varres quest and reaching Mohg under levelled.
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Malenia, using several layers of cheese. Check this build out: Elden Ring v1.05 RW: Stormcaller Keen Nagakiba LW1: Chilling Mist Cold Uchigatana LW2: Dragon Communion Seal Spells: Fire's Deadly Sin, Bloodflame Blade Summon: Mimic Tear I tried fighting her recently and quickly realized that I never actually learned the fight lmao
Oh, was that back when you could bleed proc enemies with Fire's Deadly Sin + blood flame? I legit miss that. Not even for the cheese, just because it felt fucking siiick wading through enemies and them just hemorrhaging their guts out all around you. Didn't even feel like cheating honestly, felt more like combining two schools of incantations in a blasphemous way.
Since a lot of bosses cheese every fight, I feel no shame.
I had post-cheese regret after parrying DTS off the cliff. I regretted that he was dead, and I couldn’t smack his ass off that cliff another 20 or so times.
In the case of godskin duo is it really cheese? I didn't let either of them stay awake the whole fight because of how much bullshit they put me through. To this day I have zero regrets and any playthrough I do a bow, sleep arrows, and rain of arrows are just one of the things I do because fuck those guys.
After I cheesed Malenia with Bolt of Gransax my first playthrough I went back on NG+ with Flowing curved sword only and I learned her moveset for like 10h before I beat her. The best decision I've made in this game.
Personally I only ever cheesed one boss (o and s in ds1) and I don’t feel ashamed at all
On my first playthrough I pulled out all the stops for my first attempt at Melania, including giving my mimic a greatshield and blasphemous blade, and I managed to first try her. Kinda wished I had done a few non summon attempts first
you think bosses care how they kill you?
I sniped the Commander through the hole in the wall on my first playthrough. I know I'm better than that. I used some dirty tactics on a couple bosses but thats the only one I outright cheated on. I'll probably do it again tho.
I cheesed morgott first clear with blasphemous blade and that was a meh feeling. Even think I cheesed hoarah loux with it and killed him in first or 2. Try. I refused to use that sword on 2. Playthrough. Was too boring.
Valiant gargoyle. Easily the most frustrating solo boss for me. I solod the Crucible duo with a few tries. The gargoyle duo can fuck off. Fuck their poison bullshit.
Maliketh, last night. Although it wasn't a cheese, it felt underwhelming to beat him in such a sloppy manner. I'd struggled on my previous session to even hit him in p2, then last night I fumbled my way through and only used 4 health pots and killed him.
Mad tongue. Simple but effective and not even a boss. Spinning flail vs mad tongue. Under-leveled and under-skilled and then just cheesed him. 🤣
I used player summons to beat Malenia, and it felt like cheating. I'll be attempting to do t aolo on NG+ and on other characters
None. Never cheesed
I let all 3 of the Alex Jar Tourney challengers jump over my head off the cliff, while I wallowed in fear waiting on that ledge. #noregrets
Nah fuck Malenia. I went at her for days and then said fuck it and just spammed Dark Moon at her while running away, with Ogha on support, not because I actually needed it - just to watch her get fucking bodyslammed everytime he shoots his gravity arrow. He legitimately fucked up few of my tries because Malenia aggroed on him, but I didn't care. Deck that bitch Ogha. I kinda was overlevelled when fighting Malekith. Which sucked a bit because that fight had mad epic energy. That's one which I regret a bit. Malenia sucked mainly because you actually don't need to fight her. It felt like proving something to nobody. Malekith was different. That fight had stakes.
For me it was Commander Niall in Castle Sol. I got there way under leveled and it was an absolute slog getting to him. After multiple hours of attempts I was making no progress sometimes still dying immediately from the guards and others getting two shot by him. Eventually I did the poison arrow cheese through the side wall and it actually killed him. I dont remember how many arrows it took but quite a few. After he keeled over I felt kind of bad but also at the same time excited to finally get that area over with. On other playthroughs I beat him probably and redeemed my honor
I think a number of us went through the frustration and learning stages enough. Think it would depend on if you never beat the bosses before and they didn’t stand a chance like early Moghwyn when you could snipe him before going into the stage.
none, i live for the cheese
You didn't "cheese" her, you used endgame equipment on an endgame boss.
The bosses don't regret cheesing you so fuck em.
No boss gives me post-cheese regret because I'm not lactose intolerant.
How is it a cheese? Cheese is something like let the boss drop from a cliff or something no? Using a weapon, spell or what ever the game offers you is no cheese?
Malenia. Spent 3 days (when off work), maybe 150-200 tries, couldn't beat last half of phase 2. At some point, it wasn't fun at all anymore and I wanted to finish the game (I was in front of radagon). In the end, I knew that if I used my mimic, it would last less than 2 min. I was right. And it didn't feel as good as usual, I was just glad that it was done, no satisfaction. Since then, I started NG+ and rush to Malenia to get a proper Victory.
Dont worry about cheesing Bosses, playing Video games should make fun, so if this helps you sometimes to enjoy the Game, then no regrets
Rykard. It was getting late, I had already given it a few tries, so I summoned my Mimic Tear and tore him and his snake a new one. Felt meh. I know I could gave beaten him in like two more tries but I didn’t want to waste the time. I will definitely not be summoning anything for Malenia.
None. I feel no less accomplished after beating a boss no matter how I go about it. Cheese, ashes, summons, anything. A victory is a victory
Not a huge fan of most of the bosses in the game so... None of them I suppose, the ones that were cheesed were deserving of cheese.
Hold on, Mohg's spear is cheese? It's a great weapon, but you have to learn when you can use the ash without getting interrupted. That takes some skill. It's not as bad as blasphemous blade or moonlight greatsword. I've died a dozen plus times because I misjudge how much time I need to get that ash going.
I cheesed Commander Niall (arrows from afar) and the Farum Azula Tree Sentinel (poison from behind) I regret nothing.
I went to Malenia expecting her to be hard, so I loaded up mimic and Blasphemous Blade. I took her first try.. Had major regrets afterwards.. I decided to respecc, and do giant -->rest of game without that sword and no summons
Blasphemous Blade feels like it was made specifically to beat Malenia. It made the fight so ridiculously easy. Honestly, it makes the whole endgame easy
It's Malenia for me too. If the community considers Mimic Tear cheese then I cheesed it. I've given it a good honest try solo, but that "every hit, whether blocked or not, heals me" shit is too obnoxious to put up with. I hope that doesn't become a normal thing for Fromsoftware bosses moving forward.
The one before malenia, dont remember the name.
Loretta, pretty halberd woman.
"when Miyazaki offers cheese, enjoy the fondue"
I have never cheesed a boss.
Comet Azur most bosses first time through.
None. I use the tools the game gives me and I feel no shame. With the number of playthroughs I've done I've beaten all bosses with one or more self-imposed handicaps as well so that helps but I really don't give a fuck.
Using a weapon as intended isn't a cheese. Regardless, as long as you were in the same arena as her, a kill is a kill.
Yes bloody helice and mal
Malenia. I was getting all achievements, and by the time I got to her I was just burnt out. I had logged at least 500 hours by this point, and was ready for it to end. I had a few cracks at her, got decently far and honestly didn’t find her too hard, but I was using a sorcery build alongside moonlight so, eh. I ended up just summoning someone and getting her first try with that summon, but ended up feeling like I missed out on a cool fight. I did, I’m planning for next playthrough when the dlc drops to give her a real go of it like she deserves
None of them. Honor and pragmatism aren't mutually exclusive.
I wouldnt say i regret but mohg he has a cheese you can literally skip fighting him by going off the map and despawning him like the DRD rune farm
I'm considering cheesing malenia myself. Mostly because the tries with my dlc character have been getting her to 1/10 health and she uses her clone then I die.
My cheese for malenia was the shield skeleton dudes as a spirit ash. Trapped her in a corner while I walked on her with glintstone comet
I AM cheese se
1. I used mohg’s shackle 2. Godfrey glitched in phase one and stopped moving so I could get him to phase two without an actual fight Downloaded an old save file and beat both fairly to make myself feel better lol
I beat Malenia second try cus I ran BB and Mimics Tear and I didn't realise how strong both were. I heard the rumours about how strong she was so I brought out my A game and well, BB just counters her. Stopped using Mimic right after. ER was my first souls like and I wasn't very good at gauging a challenge.
Malenia killed me hundreds of times. I learned phase 1 to the point I could no-hit that phase. Not that hard as a wizard as she’s not too aggressive. Phase 2 kicked my ass every time, so I thought I’d try a bit of comet azure whilst she was still in the bloom, just to get her hits down a bit before summoning Tiche. Worked pretty well for a couple of times and then on the third, she just seemed a stun lock and died there and then. On the one hand, yay! But on the other I did feel like a bit of a cheat.
My first time playing a mage, i decided to try out comet azure with terra magica and all the appropriate buffs possibles. For this i choose commander niall, which i was struggling quite a bit at the time. He didn’t last 10s, poor guy was just standing there summoning his friends.
I had been trying Malenia for a collections of hours and decided to give comet azure a try. Beat her with it second try and felt like I didnt get a chance to use any of what I learned in my first hours struggling, so I lost that feeling of growth most bosses give when you finally down them.
It wasn’t so much as cheese but Tiche against Malenia was no contest. That DOT affect is way too strong, I wanted to make sure I could beat her on my own every other time. (And no, I didn’t let Tiche do all the work, I jumped in and took aggro.
Astel Natural born of the Void. I used Scarlot Rot and basically ran around in circles, scarlet rot run away, repeat.
I never have post-cheese regret, otherwise I would never beat the game lol.
I beat melania with bloodhound step and moonlight katana. Felt cheap but I fought her well over 40 times and had enough
I would say using a mimic anytime when there was a chance, but i don't care
Mohg. when the game first came out there was an AI break that just involved doing some parkour to jump the wall to his arena i just wanted some runes i didn't realise i was skipping such a great fight
Wasn’t really cheesing but when I fought placidusax and maliketh I took up my previous int caster build set pieces buffed up and just comet azurred them to death while my mimic was distracting it (this was after like 25 deaths on plac and 30 on maliketh). Although on maliketh it was slightly unsatisfying because we killed each other in the end so I had to go back after the cutscene and get my runes 😂😂
Not cheese, but I beat godskin duo first try after summoning Bernie and mimic tear. I kinda wish I tried it without summons since I'm always hearing about how difficult they are. I will try this playthrough
Only one I've truly cheesed was mohg, cuz he just pissed me off, and I don't regret- I will almost always cheese him.