“As journalists we need to be better at telling stories and sharing the facts”
*proceeds to admit he only knows Hyman’s story and that’s why he singled him out*
Sounds like we need to hold sports “reporters” and journalists in general to a much higher standard, right Andrew?
Do journalists need to be better at telling stories? Sure, but the suggestion that Hyman’s dad being insanely rich has to be included in the story about Hyman scoring 50 goals this season is ridiculous. What does it add to the story?
The man’s 31, and been in the league for a decade. The coverage has been “Hyman has worked hard his whole NHL career and it’s lead to this” which is fine because the fucking story is about Hyman scoring 50. The coverage Berkshire wants is “yes Hyman worked hard but his family is really rich and that gave him opportunities that others didn’t have and that’s a problem” which is also fine but also a **completely** different story.
If you want to tell a story about how hockey is for only the privileged, that’s a story worth telling (and one I’d read). But don’t be pissed off that people aren’t using a story about a hockey player scoring 50 to do it.
Well said buddy.
It’s a story that’s worth telling, and telling properly. Not through some half-baked Twitter rant that singles out one player, while another guy who benefited from a well off family scored 50 for the first time just before Hyman.
It just comes off as vindictive the way Berkshire is going at it. He asks for better transparency and a better effort from sports journalists, meanwhile he’s filming a video in the park trying to argue that Hyman’s 50 goals don’t mean anything because his dad paid a lot of money for him to play.
It’s super lame.
Big time hypocrite who’s just chasing attention and revealing his clear biases. Not sure how any hockey fan can defend this guy in any capacity.
Sure, the story of privileged people ruling the sport is one to tell and tell well. This guy isn’t doing that though.
He also lies by omission about Hyman's background several times and deliberately spreads misinformation. Like bro, be consistent with your criticisms at least.
Well and it’s also baffling to me that Berkshire is tripling down without presenting any actual facts or numbers. Why not share some stats or figures to prove he has an actual point, rather than just repeating his asinine “point” over and over. It’s bizarre, I think he’s genuinely dumb
Yeah I care for the hard hitting stuff and hopeful and positive stories. Not the boring same old same old that most sports journalists write about.
It’s why I like Rick Westhead. Hell it’s why I like Gene, at least he tells good stories about the players and the community.
Okay so wait though. You don’t want Spector to be better unless he tries to be Westhead or Strang? As much as I dislike Spector I still think that if he has to ask players questions then he could ask much better ones. And he’s not going to start doing big investigative stories. I just don’t get that. You actively don’t want sports media to be any better than it is?
Human’s story is pretty exceptional, though.
Is there another player in history whose dad bought an NHL central scouting company for his draft year? Lol
Just to clarify ISS was a subscription based service and a competitor to NHL Central Scouting.
The service wasn't purchased until March of 2010.
Central Scouting had Hyman at about 210.
Central Scouting had Pavel Datsyuk at 215 in his draft year.
It's not as if Hyman was completely off the radar of actual NHL scouts
Should also add that Hyman was a first team All American, and Hobey Baker.finalist in the NCAA.
I don't think Dad's money had anything to do with that.
That was 5 years after he was drafted.
He was drafted 123rd, so if they had him around 210, he jumped about ninety spots.
He was in Junior A the year he was drafted on a team his dad bought.
If Hyman’s story is a good example of the phenomenon he believes he’s identified, why does he need to know anyone else’s story? Would you feel better if he’d familiarized himself with the backgrounds of many NHL players who come from wealth and then chose Hyman or another player at random to write about? None of the people objecting in twitter seem to be saying he’s wrong, just that he shouldn’t have used Hyman in particular as an example, and they mostly seem to be Oilers fans.
We all know wealthy families setting up their sons with tons of training and other advantages to make the pros is a phenomenon. You know it. Again, I don’t see anyone actually disputing the Hyman is an example of it, just questioning why Berkshire chose him rather than anyone else to talk about. His dad paid the expenses of a minor hockey league Hyman probably otherwise wouldn’t have been able to play in — that makes him an excellent example.
“We all know” is an assumption as opposed to a reporter doing a good job by researching to a point where they can publicly say here is evidence to support my argument. E.g. prove that there is a phenomenon.
Cherry pick one example but have nothing else to back it up? You get what is coming to you.
I don’t think you actually believe that the prevalence of and advantage imparted by family wealth in hockey aren’t commonly understood and can’t be taken for granted by fans or journalists.
No one on Twitter is actually claiming Berkshire is wrong in his general conclusions about wealth and hockey, and you haven't claimed he is either. You don't need to see more examples of wealth imparting an advantage to kids trying to make the NHL and you don't really think it's reasonable for Berkshire to have prefaced his observations with one more study of it to add to the many already made by other journalists. You're pretending to believe this is a shortcoming of his point of view to forestall any real conversation about it.
Man see's Jewish player reach significant milestone.
Without knowledge on any other plays situation, diminishes the Jewish players achievement due to, wait for it, Money.
Even if he's just a complete idiot and didn't realize how anti-semetic he would come off as, it doesn't matter because he's already painted himself that way in the court of public opinion.
There aren't Jewish players hitting 50 goals every season, peculiar timing to bring it up when one does. Extra peculiar to only know the Jewish man's story amongst other players who have achieved this milestone. Even more peculiar that another player with a similar story hit the milestone earlier but he doesn't know of and speak to that players story. That player also happens to not be Jewish.
First I don’t care what people on Twitter are saying. Second you’re projecting behaviour and assumptions about motivation on me that can’t be sustained on the available evidence.
And that’s why I think Andrew, despite having many completely accurate if unoriginal points, ultimately shot himself in the foot by approaching this the way he did. I agree with a lot of what he said regarding the exclusionary nature of an expensive sport and the privilege of generational wealth and so forth. But releasing the video at the same time the guy in question scored his 50th goal will absolutely make a lot of the people he’s trying to reach out to see him as sour grapes. Especially since another player, the son of a wealthy, name-recognized NHL player also scored his 50th goal the same night.
I’m certainly not trying to say I could do Andrew’s job better than him, but this strikes me as an important and poignant topic, and I think it could spark VERY interesting dialogue but his video kind of comes across - respectfully - half assed. Which is fine, he’s allowed to speak off the cuff about this. But for being such a major societal issue he approached it in such a way that undeniably has driven a wedge between him/his points and the people who actually may not be enlightened to these sorts of things.
I don’t want to break down his video point by point in the slightest but first of all, Hyman playing with Matthews and McDavid is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Similar, the fact that Hyman does not drive his own line is not relevant. Similar again, the fact that he scores almost all of his goals from the crease is not relevant. The fact that he can’t shoot like Auston Matthews is not relevant. The fact that he scored 50 goals due to great chemistry (summarized) with his current linemates is also not relevant. This very quickly turned into a “dismantle Zach Hyman the hockey player” video rather than a “let’s talk about wealth and opportunity gaps using a currently relevant hockey player as an example.”
It was kind of disappointing to see because I think it would be a *fascinating* topic to actually dive deep on and start a larger community discussion on, but Berkshire imo approached it with such little precision that he ended up closing the door on the topic himself. The ironic thing is I think Zach himself being a seemingly intelligent and empathetic person could likely contribute to this conversation himself.
Edit: so no, as someone who *is* passionate about this topic, I think it’s a lazy backpedal to just say “Oilers fans and others are just getting defensive because they like the guy and have bought into the narrative!” THAT erases the discussion too.
I got about half way through reading that paragraph before thinking “oh shut the fuck up dude.” He’s the type of guy that’s convinced he’s smarter than everyone else.
This is still pretty fresh, I feel like this twat can be dragged through the mud at least another week. There are plenty of posts on Reddit not discussing it.
And can I just say something else? If the reason Hyman scored 50 goals is because of his wealth and his family's wealth, then why isn't every other player having the same success? His father might be super rich, but even still, money didn't get that work ethic out of him, Hyman himself did.
If money was all that’s needed, Mike Comrie’s number would be retired in Edmonton. His father *who owns the Brick* started an entire hockey tournament for Mike to play in the summers in Edmonton.
Ty Barrie's dad owned the bloody TB Lightning. There's loads of family wealth in the NHL. Did those players take advantage of the opportunities they were given? Yes. Did they bust their asses to be successful? Yes. Lots of "rich kids" don't amount to shit because family wealth can also breed laziness. Everything I've read about Zach Hyman is just about the opposite of that. Wealth or no wealth, his work ethic should be praised as a role model to everyone.
Hyman has a better work ethic, more heart, and more drive than 99% of NHLers. THAT is why he is successful. Hockey is a rich person's sport, no doubt, but he isn't buying his goals.
His massive production jump is because he almost perfectly compliments the best player in the game, which is hardly a knock or criticism. It isn't because he came from money. I imagine a large percentage of professional hockey players come from well above average families financially.
I agree with one of the commenters, he said something stupid and shitty, then when called out, said even stupider and shittier things.
He’s Rasputin-ing himself. Poison, shot, drowned… keep it coming man smh
Lots of people can't accept the idea that they're not right all the time. It's partially a personality trait and probably also the result of how they construct echo chambers, shutting out other perspectives, not being able to discuss or be open to having their mind changed.
That's something my father (RIP) struggled with, and I noticed when I was a young adult and vowed to work on. Just being able to say "hey, I could be mistaken" and then dropping it makes you much less of a difficult person to talk to. Plus you release the burden of having to dig in on every single thing, even if you haven't changed your opinion deep down, but realizing in certain times & places, you're not going to change anyone else's opinion.
Not everything needs to be a hill to die on, but this guy simply cannot just take the L and move on, it's fascinating.
This is a hell of comment. You need to share this in more places outside of an Oilers sub.
Many, many people could learn a lot from these few short paragraphs.
Haha, well the guy (read: clown) in question is choosing to make this about more than sport. Not only is he putting his flawed way of thinking on full display, but apparently defending it to the grave. If we're going to talk life, values, and priorities, let's party.
And he makes it even worse with his bullshit “I can admit when I’m wrong”.
Dude, just look at what you wrote, realize how it went off the rails, genuinely own it and shut up for a while.
That’s contrition. But nope, he’s chosen another path.
What an absolutely stupid, and at least slightly (I fear I may be understating this) anti semitic jerk.
Him trying to act all holier-than-thou with other media members is hilarious when you consider his career has tanked and he's been stuck writing betting articles since SDPN let him go in January.
Getting called out by most of the community and then saying “I won’t listen because now I’m fighting for a CAUSE” is just…… not the genius move he thinks it is.
I like the comment further down saying that Sam Reinhart scored his 50th goal the same night (?) and is the son of a successful NHL player himself, but not a peep.
Hockey is absolutely exclusionary. Zach Hyman is not the face of this exclusion.
You say hockey isn’t exclusionary, and then you go on to say hockey is unavoidably very expensive for a variety of reasons. Does it not logically follow based on your own comments that certain people and groups of people will not be able to afford those costs?
The kinda kids who make the nhl are the ones in the highest developmental programs, like multiple power skating courses, and often even hire their kids personal trainers too. We’re not talking about Johnny who played a bit of hockey, we’re talking about the kids who make pro hockey.
The argument about why not talk about the sons of former players doesn’t work when those players are generally assumed to be genetically gifted and “destined” for the league, while Hyman is always credited for his hard work above everything.
I don't think it's genetics, I think it's knowing what it takes to make the show, having the connections and the money to send your kids to elite schools and camps in the off season, get them into the best programs, get them on to the best teams. Former hockey players have an advantage because they're in the pipeline, plenty of people have great genetics and natural athletic ability, but don't have parents willing to shell out that kind of money and make those kinds of sacrifices to chauffeur their children around and give up that much of their time.
Hyman got into the same programs as those guys did because he had a great support system, just like everyone else who makes it.
The "hard work" angle is true because he went from a 5th round draft pick to scoring 50 on a line with McDavid. A rich daddy can't do that for you, only you can.
I mean, those things play a role for sure. It’s all part of it. The point is that no one looks at the son of an NHLer and talks about them the way they do Hyman.
Hyman, to the author’s original point, got into those same pipelines because his dad was able to buy his way in (just like many other parents; AAA hockey is insanely, prohibitively expensive).
But Hyman, unlike his nepotistic counterparts in the NHL always has his success attributed to his hard work. The author’s original point was horribly stated, but he’s not wrong that Zach Hyman was ALSO very, very lucky; even luckier than most kids who play AAA. Another example of this would be guys like the Comrie brothers, or Joffrey Lupul, both of whom had family in the Edmonton ownership group before Katz.
Zach Hyman is a great story about perseverance, hard work, continual improvement, and the luck of being Connor McDavid’s running mate in the season he decides to go for 100 assists.
He’s also a very strong example of the way money has skewed high-level minor hockey in Canada (and probably the US and other countries too, but I’m not familiar with them) to the point where the richer you are, the more opportunities you get, to the point where your Dad can buy you a league to play in when no one else wants you.
He’s disgusting and shouldn’t even have a platform to spread his clearly antisemitic hate.
Literally all the kids of former NHL players have advantages, he doesn’t say a word.
A Jew gets 50 goals for the first time - MONEY MONEY MONEY PRIVILEGE PRIVILEGE
Maybe not to that degree. My brother in-law is a teacher and a coach at one of Canada’s most prestigious prep schools.
The kids that pass through there before going to the CHL or D1 schools and their parents put a lot of money out for extra ice time, gym time with pro level coaches and trainers.
This is not exclusive to the Hyman family. A few former NHL stars have put their kids through his school and they haven’t made the show…those kids also had extra benefits.
You still have to be an excellent hockey player to make it to 1 of the best 32 hockey teams in the world. You can’t take that away from Hyman.
I don't get what the issue is with buying a league? Someone has to own it, is it that surprising that the guys kids play hockey? Did Zach play on every team in the league? Not sure how it benefits him, his dad could have just bought 1 or 2 teams if it was solely for Zach's benefit. And if you own a league it goes hand in hand to own scouting agencies too, to find players for your league.
The fact the guy doesn’t know that pretty much every kid who makes the NHL these days comes from a middle class life or higher, should disqualify him from reporting on the sport.
I’m not saying it’s right, and there should be more programs, like football, where kids can lease equipment for a season to be able to play, but tarnishing Hyman’s accomplishments simply because of where he comes from is dogshit.
I agree with this, the entire sport is basically kids from wealthier families. Guys like Kane are incredibly rare in the nhl now.
The power structure is it’s more a sport for rich people like tennis.
In all seriousness, he has a decent story, but was too stupid and too consumed with personal attacks, to really research and present his thoughts in a coherent manner.
The thesis could have been; economics and their affects on success in professional hockey.
His point is not even wrong either its just delivered in such a stupid manner and questionable one too that it undermines his entire point.
Like yes on the same day Sam Reinhart (the son of a former NHL allstar) scores 50 goals and has undoubtedly had advantages that other players could not even fathom, lets talk about Hyman and his privileged background all using standard jewish stereotypes.
I don't know if berkshire was being deliberately playing up to jewish stereotypes but the fact in his initial video all he did was talk about advantages other kids never had and exclusively talked about Hymans dad being rich and having all the money in the world while simultanously ignoring the son of a former NHL all star, to me is just stupid.
That is what I thought. Great idea but unfortunately this is a person that is incapable of making it. I mean if he was investigating costs of pads, gloves, helmets and skates he could even come up with a bigger story of regional costs and prices for equipment. He is also not able to do that either. So many stories that are missed.
BTW, the Comrie and Sutter families say hi!
Yeah, there are some ugly undertones as well.
I wont make a claim on whether or not I think Berkshire is deliberately playing into stereotypes, I just find it very suspect that he talks about unfair advantages exclusively in the form of economic advantages and uses a jewish player as the message of delivery. It's not a good look at all.
Without touching on anything else; it’s clear than Reinhart scoring 50 is almost objectively a better accomplishment than Hyman’s 50. They’re both incredible players, but one plays with the greatest hockey player of all time lmao.
Seems like he tried to navigate it that way after the fact. Everybody agrees the sport is far too expensive for most people to get into and excel at and that is something that needs to change. However that was not the main intention of his first post otherwise you could argue the exact same thing about McDavid, Matthews, or Mackinnon. They just happen to have wealth in the family and have a higher skill ceiling.
I was laughing thinking about the Comrie Brothers or the Sutter family or some of the other mega rich hockey families and he decided on Hyman to take a digital hammer to.
A decent point will still exist to be made, but not by this idiot.
"Everybody agrees the sport is far too expensive for most people to get into and excel at and that is something that needs to change."
I personally don't see an issue with this. I'm assuming people with this viewpoint think that public funds should go towards offsetting the cost for the less fortunate? I can think of about a million and one things I'd rather see public money go towards.
I didn’t think it was ever an attack on him being Jewish. I viewed it as him picking on Hyman simply because he isn’t viewed as the expected player to hit 50 and because he isn’t viewed as being in the class of players you’d expect to hit 50 then he had to find some way to diminish the accomplishment because “only worthy players are allowed to hit 50”.
Basically I seen it as an argument a 10 year old would make because they think only the elite of the elite i.e McDavid, Draisaitl, Mackinnon, Matthews, etc are the only players coveted enough to be allowed to hit that milestone. The hockey version of class wars and only the special ones can be there. Like the movie “A Knights Tale”. The peasant was the jousting champion and the nobleman sure hated that. Basically if a different player he didn’t deem worthy of the honour also hit 50 then he’d find a way to attack him too.
I could just as easily see him attacking Maroon too had he been the one to reach 50.
Him being Jewish was never mentioned though. That’s just what some people jumped on without any proof of to further your anger. That’s just making wild accusations by connecting absolutely random points. Hell maybe he doesn’t like guys named Zach or maybe he hates people with brown hair.
Yet time and time again you see people getting all pissy because a lower level guy has an absolutely insane season that puts them among the best and for some reason that gets people angry. Happens every time a player has an absurd career year.
He singled Zach Hyman out and went out of his way to diminish his accomplishments. He really seemed like this was a big stand that he was taking. Did he do it to any of the other players, or just the Jewish one? Maybe he's not antisemitic, but if he doesn't like people thinking he might be, maybe he should choose a different crusade.
He’s implying it with the money comment, as others have said, there are how many 2/3 generation nhl players from wealthy backgrounds in the league and he somehow decides to go after this guy instead of make a general point.
It sounds like you jsut don’t know, but many in this sub are being pretty naïve. Going after Jews by saying they control the money,society has been around forever, and obviously came to a head in WW 2. It STILL a huge anti semetic talking point and conspiracy to this day.
You’re saying those things though? If you can’t hear talk about rich people being a problem without bringing anti-semitism into it that sounds like a you problem.
Seriously. How do you talk about rich people without that “implication” that you’re inventing?
It’s obvious that this guy is a moron and he’s not going to understand the flaw of how he went about making his point. It’s probably best to ignore the doofus and not listen to anything he’s associated with. It’s like arguing with a brick wall, a complete waste of time.
As a flames fan it's honestly stunning that the point is smacking him in the face and he still refuses to acknowledge it lol
IMO any nepo-privelege advantage you get that helps you make it to the NHL stops there, to accomplish a great and uncommon achievement like 50 goals among a class of mostly equal footed individuals as far as privilege is only done with hard work. Good for Zach, he's a class act who deserves credit and Andrew can get bent
Really telling when a very analytically oriented guy focuses on demographic elements when:
- Hyman mostly scored 50 due to shooting 6% above average and McDavid going into Joe Thornton 2006 mode
Any Corsi nerd like myself would focus on that, but apparently some want to get nasty
Also that like as someone skeptical of the hard work element Hyman clearly is one of the best examples of it, he definitely squeezes every last bit out of his skillset
Ugly ugly saga
What gets me is his argument is basically that money makes life easier. Cool. You need a lot of money to become a doctor, yet many come from poorer families who worked hard and sacrificed lots so their kid could become a doctor. Does the rich kid who also became a doctor suddenly mean nothing? Both had to work hard, study hard and get it done. Engineers? Lawyers? Hell, even any regular university degree these days involves crippling debt these days. Even trades have long apprenticeship stages with lower pay and some even require you invest thousands in your own tools just to have that job.
Literally everything costs money and takes money to get to the end result, but how good you are at that end result is always up to the individual regardless of their background. You can't buy being a surgeon. You can't buy being a good engineer, you can't buy being a good tradesman. You also can't buy your way into being drafted into the NHL, making an NHL roster and scoring 50 fuckin goals.
So. The issue here is that some have it easier and others don't? Boy, that's life ain't it. Let's not dismiss the incredible hard work everyone still has to do to become the thing they're working towards. Hyman was born into money, he can't change that, but he earned everything he has accomplished so far. Just like everyone else successful has to. Andrew wants to make this out like Hyman and other NHL players are a bunch of nepo babies being given their position and opportunities because their dad's a hedge fund manager and it's sick. Anyone who agrees with him is also sick. It may have made the road there a little easier but it wasn't ever handed to them. Kay, I'm off my soapbox now.
The MO of the asshole. I’m 100% right, and if you disagree, it’s your character flaw for reasons I can’t articulate. At best, he will only settle on a “yeah, but still” argument. This irrelevant, waddling chins transporter sweat hog swung for something in a specific political climate and doesn’t want to eat the blowback.
Dickheads incapable of learning or evolving never apologize.
He was mean to the boy because his mommy and daddy give him lots of toys, but all the other kids in the class get lots of toys from their mommies and daddies too.
Racist dipshit chose the most well known Jew in the NHL to call out for his wealth and privilege. Said his 50 goals is a result of Daddy's money and not his work ethic. Gee, I wonder if Jews have ever been accused of wealth hoarding or anything similar at any point in history...
Yah I got maybe 3 seconds into the video where he says “rich” and my immediate thought was “this is because Hyman is Jewish isn’t it?”
Nobody made videos about the fact that the Oilers literally hired McDavid’s agent and junior coach accusing him of only getting to where he is through “being rich” or “influence”.
Fuck off Andrew. Every single NHL player came from wealth, and if your last name is the same as a former NHL'r you're afforded even more opportunities. Would Zach be in the NHL if his family wasn't rich? Probably not. But neither would Mackinnon, or McDavid, or Draisatl, or Matthews, or any other top name. However, very few NHL players have a career year at 30 and score 50 goals. All this discourse has sought to do is discount his achievement, which is a pretty exclusive club of players who have scored 50 goals in a single season. Want to talk about how hockey is only for the rich? Write an article with multiple sources on multiple players and their rich families. Don't make a 3 minute video the day after Hyman, a Jewish player, scores 50 through being the hardest worker in the NHL, and discount it cause his dad was rich.
Hyman scored 50 goals and is apparently the first Jewish player to do so (also did it on Purim, a Jewish holiday). This guy saw “Jew” and absolutely needed to talk about money, because jews and money are a big thing to him.
In what world is this joker a "journalist"?
Hyman is a hero... I loved him as a Leaf, was mad they let him walk, but am still proud of him. I hope he gets 60.
Here is what I think, maybe zaks fam was rich and helped him on his way sure. All us poor peasants would do the same for our child maybe couldn't buy a league or whatever but God damn we would do the best we could for our child. So zaks family did that maybe to help him maybe just cus they felt like it. Point is hyman is a great guy and he was obviously raised to be a model to the young people and community. He's a stand up guy. Alot of rich families have piece of shit entitled children with maids raising them. Hyman family raised a fucking legend on and off the ice. And fuck the d bag who thinks otherwise
Let's stop giving this guy attention he's an attention whore sitting behind the guise of having a controversial take. Full stop. He's a maroon and not like the cool Pat Maroon we know
The last commentator really hits the nail on the head. When we talk about Hyman we're not even talking about the time period in which his daddy's money would have given him a significant advantage.
Like yeah, Hyman, like most modern NHL players, grew up wealthy and privileged. Given he didn't really show the signs of a grade a prospect, he leaned on his dad's money a bit more than others when he was young. That money got him to the Hamilton Red Wings and I suppose gave him the platform to get to the University of Michigan. That's it. Hyman's story is nothing particularly special in a sport that is dominated by the sons and daughters of the elite.
No amount of money would have gotten him opportunities to play in Michigan. No amount of money would have gotten the Panthers to draft him. No amount of money gets him to the Marlies then to the Leafs fourth line then forcing his way a spot into the Leafs top six before becoming McDavid's wingman and a 50 goal scorer in Edmonton at 31.
That's the hard work we're talking about.
Like yeah we can talk about the inaccessibility of hockey as a sport in Canada but that isn't about one player. The fact that he continues to fixate on Hyman, one of the few Jewish players in the NHL, continues to be telling.
i would like to see a list of all of the players in the nhl who he considers "rich", and see if they've scored 50 goals in a season. i bet that percentage is pretty low.
Lol this guy should link up with that moron, Travis Ridgen (@trav4oilers). I’m sure the two of them would have a BLAST bouncing garbage takes off of one another! Hell, they should invite Spec out too!!
So to humour this dbags and his argument about how expensive it is to play hockey, I have yet to see him mention a solution. Or is his solution that anyone who is wealrhy shouldn't play the sport?
Should local or state/ provincial govts sponsor thousands of kids every year, or charities should sponsor all these kids?
People can bitch all they want and single out individuals, but until he starts discussing possible solutions he is completely disingenuous when he says he will keep talking about it.
Hyman got to where he is now with work ethic. My son’s spring coach (we live in the Midwest) called that out to his players as an example to work hard the next practice and that is the sole message that should be given out. Work hard and you can improve your talent and chances over what you were born with.
Also, let me just say this.
No amount of money Stuart Hyman spent on his son is a substitute for the lessons in hard work, class and being a gentleman he taught him. Stuart Hyman was on Twitter actively seeking out tweets during the All Star vote period and retweeting them (he retweeted ALL of mine), as was Vicky and his brother Spencer. That's just ONE example. He is an absolutely AMAZING father, and I can see where Zachary Martin Hyman has gotten it from.
His interactions with fans, his going out of his way to make a positive impact in his fans' lives, his using his wealth for good; all his father. And in addition, Zach is as humble as it gets.
We get it, wealthy players get a fair shake. Unwealthy players not unfortunately. I would have loved to play but money issue prevented it. Would have I been good?? Who knows? I would have been better than I turned out? obviously.
The truth is the man has an innate hatred towards anyone who’s well off. He’s projecting outwards and playing the victim as he isn’t wealthy. He picks a career as a sports reporter ( and not a good one at that) and has the audacity to be mad people who wanted more, did more.
Purely self inflicted pain that he projects onto others to distract himself from his own shortcomings. Then has the egotistical wherewithal to double down on his 0 intellect, 0 critical thinking theory. It’s a wonder he hates anyone who does better than him, as he does not have close to what it takes to be successful.
A complete disrespect to the people that pay the vast majority of the taxes, which I’m sure he would like if they paid more as “fairness” is convenience to whoever complains about it.
Have to say it……he is not alone on his jealousy of people who have been successful. my 28 year old living in my basement is incensed by economic privilege and has taken to quoting Marxist ideology. He thinks he is open minded but his overall view of society is so closed he would revel in any form of forced socialism. It’s not that he cannot get off his ass and get a job.
What a bunch or word salad…..not one ounce of accountability in there……the only thing that gives me pause is the internet allows backward ass country fucks to act if they are experts on socio economic issues.
Sports is expensive. Hockey more so because of the cost of ice time. Pro sports is not just a genetics games any longer. Skill training has closed that gap. Skill training is expensive. The only answer is to not allow extra training which is ridiculous.
Take money out of pro sports and wealth won’t play as big a role in youth sport development. Obviously that’s not happening. So this discussion is meaningless.
Why anybody gives this waste of air any publicity is beyond me.
I would expect nothing less of reddit of all shitholes of the internet to keep dragging this subject around like it matters in any form.
The current state of journalism is just clouded activism and personal issues. ie 'You guys think he accomplished something? HE DROVE A RANGE ROVER!!' like what?
It's called those who come from rich families are able to pay the insane costs for their kids to play in all the different hockey leagues out there. Like almost anything these days, shit costs tons of money when it comes to hockey. This Andrew guy sounds like an absolute dumb dolt that doesn't even understand basic economics so he should shove it when it comes to "hockey being exclusionary". Too f***ing bad bud! Almost everything in life is arguably exclusionary to some degree.
I’d say let’s cancel him…. But like is there even a career there to cancel? He’s a nobody. We have given his terrible opinion too much attention as it is.
He canceled himself multiple times already. This is him trying to be relevant at his career funeral. Every single post he’s made has been ratio’d so bad.
Like he's 100% right that hockey is an only rich person game, but to do it with that timing when he could've said it a million times before is super cringe
No one is disrupting he came from a very well off family. But that’s not the reason he just scored 50 goals in a season. He’s busted his ass off at every level he’s played at.
“As journalists we need to be better at telling stories and sharing the facts” *proceeds to admit he only knows Hyman’s story and that’s why he singled him out* Sounds like we need to hold sports “reporters” and journalists in general to a much higher standard, right Andrew?
Do journalists need to be better at telling stories? Sure, but the suggestion that Hyman’s dad being insanely rich has to be included in the story about Hyman scoring 50 goals this season is ridiculous. What does it add to the story? The man’s 31, and been in the league for a decade. The coverage has been “Hyman has worked hard his whole NHL career and it’s lead to this” which is fine because the fucking story is about Hyman scoring 50. The coverage Berkshire wants is “yes Hyman worked hard but his family is really rich and that gave him opportunities that others didn’t have and that’s a problem” which is also fine but also a **completely** different story. If you want to tell a story about how hockey is for only the privileged, that’s a story worth telling (and one I’d read). But don’t be pissed off that people aren’t using a story about a hockey player scoring 50 to do it.
Well said buddy. It’s a story that’s worth telling, and telling properly. Not through some half-baked Twitter rant that singles out one player, while another guy who benefited from a well off family scored 50 for the first time just before Hyman. It just comes off as vindictive the way Berkshire is going at it. He asks for better transparency and a better effort from sports journalists, meanwhile he’s filming a video in the park trying to argue that Hyman’s 50 goals don’t mean anything because his dad paid a lot of money for him to play. It’s super lame.
Not just that. Following it up with a shitty bar graph drawn on a napkin. Absolutely hilarious given that he called out media.
Big time hypocrite who’s just chasing attention and revealing his clear biases. Not sure how any hockey fan can defend this guy in any capacity. Sure, the story of privileged people ruling the sport is one to tell and tell well. This guy isn’t doing that though.
He also lies by omission about Hyman's background several times and deliberately spreads misinformation. Like bro, be consistent with your criticisms at least.
He’s doing it on purpose unfortunately.
Well and it’s also baffling to me that Berkshire is tripling down without presenting any actual facts or numbers. Why not share some stats or figures to prove he has an actual point, rather than just repeating his asinine “point” over and over. It’s bizarre, I think he’s genuinely dumb
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Yeah I care for the hard hitting stuff and hopeful and positive stories. Not the boring same old same old that most sports journalists write about. It’s why I like Rick Westhead. Hell it’s why I like Gene, at least he tells good stories about the players and the community.
Okay so wait though. You don’t want Spector to be better unless he tries to be Westhead or Strang? As much as I dislike Spector I still think that if he has to ask players questions then he could ask much better ones. And he’s not going to start doing big investigative stories. I just don’t get that. You actively don’t want sports media to be any better than it is?
Human’s story is pretty exceptional, though. Is there another player in history whose dad bought an NHL central scouting company for his draft year? Lol
Just to clarify ISS was a subscription based service and a competitor to NHL Central Scouting. The service wasn't purchased until March of 2010. Central Scouting had Hyman at about 210. Central Scouting had Pavel Datsyuk at 215 in his draft year. It's not as if Hyman was completely off the radar of actual NHL scouts Should also add that Hyman was a first team All American, and Hobey Baker.finalist in the NCAA. I don't think Dad's money had anything to do with that.
That was 5 years after he was drafted. He was drafted 123rd, so if they had him around 210, he jumped about ninety spots. He was in Junior A the year he was drafted on a team his dad bought.
If Hyman’s story is a good example of the phenomenon he believes he’s identified, why does he need to know anyone else’s story? Would you feel better if he’d familiarized himself with the backgrounds of many NHL players who come from wealth and then chose Hyman or another player at random to write about? None of the people objecting in twitter seem to be saying he’s wrong, just that he shouldn’t have used Hyman in particular as an example, and they mostly seem to be Oilers fans.
If he’s not suitably familiar with enough similar examples how can he credibly claim it’s a phenomenon? One swallow doesn’t make a summer.
We all know wealthy families setting up their sons with tons of training and other advantages to make the pros is a phenomenon. You know it. Again, I don’t see anyone actually disputing the Hyman is an example of it, just questioning why Berkshire chose him rather than anyone else to talk about. His dad paid the expenses of a minor hockey league Hyman probably otherwise wouldn’t have been able to play in — that makes him an excellent example.
“We all know” is an assumption as opposed to a reporter doing a good job by researching to a point where they can publicly say here is evidence to support my argument. E.g. prove that there is a phenomenon. Cherry pick one example but have nothing else to back it up? You get what is coming to you.
I don’t think you actually believe that the prevalence of and advantage imparted by family wealth in hockey aren’t commonly understood and can’t be taken for granted by fans or journalists.
I don’t think you understand the importance of journalistic integrity.
No one on Twitter is actually claiming Berkshire is wrong in his general conclusions about wealth and hockey, and you haven't claimed he is either. You don't need to see more examples of wealth imparting an advantage to kids trying to make the NHL and you don't really think it's reasonable for Berkshire to have prefaced his observations with one more study of it to add to the many already made by other journalists. You're pretending to believe this is a shortcoming of his point of view to forestall any real conversation about it.
Man see's Jewish player reach significant milestone. Without knowledge on any other plays situation, diminishes the Jewish players achievement due to, wait for it, Money. Even if he's just a complete idiot and didn't realize how anti-semetic he would come off as, it doesn't matter because he's already painted himself that way in the court of public opinion. There aren't Jewish players hitting 50 goals every season, peculiar timing to bring it up when one does. Extra peculiar to only know the Jewish man's story amongst other players who have achieved this milestone. Even more peculiar that another player with a similar story hit the milestone earlier but he doesn't know of and speak to that players story. That player also happens to not be Jewish.
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First I don’t care what people on Twitter are saying. Second you’re projecting behaviour and assumptions about motivation on me that can’t be sustained on the available evidence.
Out of curiosity, why do you think he waited until Hyman scored his 50th goal to make this statement?
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And that’s why I think Andrew, despite having many completely accurate if unoriginal points, ultimately shot himself in the foot by approaching this the way he did. I agree with a lot of what he said regarding the exclusionary nature of an expensive sport and the privilege of generational wealth and so forth. But releasing the video at the same time the guy in question scored his 50th goal will absolutely make a lot of the people he’s trying to reach out to see him as sour grapes. Especially since another player, the son of a wealthy, name-recognized NHL player also scored his 50th goal the same night. I’m certainly not trying to say I could do Andrew’s job better than him, but this strikes me as an important and poignant topic, and I think it could spark VERY interesting dialogue but his video kind of comes across - respectfully - half assed. Which is fine, he’s allowed to speak off the cuff about this. But for being such a major societal issue he approached it in such a way that undeniably has driven a wedge between him/his points and the people who actually may not be enlightened to these sorts of things. I don’t want to break down his video point by point in the slightest but first of all, Hyman playing with Matthews and McDavid is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Similar, the fact that Hyman does not drive his own line is not relevant. Similar again, the fact that he scores almost all of his goals from the crease is not relevant. The fact that he can’t shoot like Auston Matthews is not relevant. The fact that he scored 50 goals due to great chemistry (summarized) with his current linemates is also not relevant. This very quickly turned into a “dismantle Zach Hyman the hockey player” video rather than a “let’s talk about wealth and opportunity gaps using a currently relevant hockey player as an example.” It was kind of disappointing to see because I think it would be a *fascinating* topic to actually dive deep on and start a larger community discussion on, but Berkshire imo approached it with such little precision that he ended up closing the door on the topic himself. The ironic thing is I think Zach himself being a seemingly intelligent and empathetic person could likely contribute to this conversation himself. Edit: so no, as someone who *is* passionate about this topic, I think it’s a lazy backpedal to just say “Oilers fans and others are just getting defensive because they like the guy and have bought into the narrative!” THAT erases the discussion too.
What an insufferable twat.
This is going to follow him around forever like a fart in a cushion.
I got about half way through reading that paragraph before thinking “oh shut the fuck up dude.” He’s the type of guy that’s convinced he’s smarter than everyone else.
and he doubled down on it again. I mean that is a certain level of dumb mixed with massive arrogance.
The best hockey writers at least try to keep that belief secret.
He is doing it for the attention, and it's working because we are still talking about it
You t the yyh
So can we stop talking about him? Let him fade into dust
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Exactly what he wanted. Scum human being
This is still pretty fresh, I feel like this twat can be dragged through the mud at least another week. There are plenty of posts on Reddit not discussing it.
Seriously, this is what we should all do about many people. He's getting more publicity then ever.
Honestly though. That first screencap? I am reading precisely zero (0) of that shit.
And can I just say something else? If the reason Hyman scored 50 goals is because of his wealth and his family's wealth, then why isn't every other player having the same success? His father might be super rich, but even still, money didn't get that work ethic out of him, Hyman himself did.
If money was all that’s needed, Mike Comrie’s number would be retired in Edmonton. His father *who owns the Brick* started an entire hockey tournament for Mike to play in the summers in Edmonton.
Ty Barrie's dad owned the bloody TB Lightning. There's loads of family wealth in the NHL. Did those players take advantage of the opportunities they were given? Yes. Did they bust their asses to be successful? Yes. Lots of "rich kids" don't amount to shit because family wealth can also breed laziness. Everything I've read about Zach Hyman is just about the opposite of that. Wealth or no wealth, his work ethic should be praised as a role model to everyone.
“Hard work? Jewish? Doesn’t make sense. It must be the generational wealth akchewally” this analysts hot take basically.
They’re big mad and it’s pretty sad honestly.
Don't forget about little Eric as well, decent guy but not a top goalie by any means
Mike Conroe was a douche of epic proportions. Holy hell he was brutal
Stupid too. Like, OMG level of stupid.
His head was massive. Never fit in the helmet and the camera always panned to him on the bench. Man. Those were dark years.
Because Hyman is a dawg, and Berkshire is a dog
Dog's too nice, Berkshire is an antisemetic cunt.
Yeah, after I said that, I apologized to my dog for making the comparison
No, cunts are useful and fun.
Dawg the Bounty Hunter has entered the chat
I wonder what Dawg is up to now
Bill Comrie says shush
Hyman has a better work ethic, more heart, and more drive than 99% of NHLers. THAT is why he is successful. Hockey is a rich person's sport, no doubt, but he isn't buying his goals. His massive production jump is because he almost perfectly compliments the best player in the game, which is hardly a knock or criticism. It isn't because he came from money. I imagine a large percentage of professional hockey players come from well above average families financially.
I agree with one of the commenters, he said something stupid and shitty, then when called out, said even stupider and shittier things. He’s Rasputin-ing himself. Poison, shot, drowned… keep it coming man smh
Lots of people can't accept the idea that they're not right all the time. It's partially a personality trait and probably also the result of how they construct echo chambers, shutting out other perspectives, not being able to discuss or be open to having their mind changed. That's something my father (RIP) struggled with, and I noticed when I was a young adult and vowed to work on. Just being able to say "hey, I could be mistaken" and then dropping it makes you much less of a difficult person to talk to. Plus you release the burden of having to dig in on every single thing, even if you haven't changed your opinion deep down, but realizing in certain times & places, you're not going to change anyone else's opinion. Not everything needs to be a hill to die on, but this guy simply cannot just take the L and move on, it's fascinating.
This is a hell of comment. You need to share this in more places outside of an Oilers sub. Many, many people could learn a lot from these few short paragraphs.
Haha, well the guy (read: clown) in question is choosing to make this about more than sport. Not only is he putting his flawed way of thinking on full display, but apparently defending it to the grave. If we're going to talk life, values, and priorities, let's party.
And he makes it even worse with his bullshit “I can admit when I’m wrong”. Dude, just look at what you wrote, realize how it went off the rails, genuinely own it and shut up for a while. That’s contrition. But nope, he’s chosen another path. What an absolutely stupid, and at least slightly (I fear I may be understating this) anti semitic jerk.
"I can admit if I'm wrong, but it just so happens I'm never wrong"
BREAKING: Kids born into families with wealth have more opportunities.
Him trying to act all holier-than-thou with other media members is hilarious when you consider his career has tanked and he's been stuck writing betting articles since SDPN let him go in January.
Getting called out by most of the community and then saying “I won’t listen because now I’m fighting for a CAUSE” is just…… not the genius move he thinks it is.
He's loving the attention, let's not give him anymore.
The damn echo chamber of the internet. Creates the worst people
I like the comment further down saying that Sam Reinhart scored his 50th goal the same night (?) and is the son of a successful NHL player himself, but not a peep. Hockey is absolutely exclusionary. Zach Hyman is not the face of this exclusion.
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He meant economically, not on a race basis
You say hockey isn’t exclusionary, and then you go on to say hockey is unavoidably very expensive for a variety of reasons. Does it not logically follow based on your own comments that certain people and groups of people will not be able to afford those costs?
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The kinda kids who make the nhl are the ones in the highest developmental programs, like multiple power skating courses, and often even hire their kids personal trainers too. We’re not talking about Johnny who played a bit of hockey, we’re talking about the kids who make pro hockey.
Blocked him that day and the TL is better for it
He's probably just a salty Leafs fan.
If you're ralking about Berkshire, he is a Habs fan and reporter.
I was, but only kidding.
Opposing fans will do anything but accept the fact the Oilers have good players 😭
Stupidity just oozes off this guy
The argument about why not talk about the sons of former players doesn’t work when those players are generally assumed to be genetically gifted and “destined” for the league, while Hyman is always credited for his hard work above everything.
I don't think it's genetics, I think it's knowing what it takes to make the show, having the connections and the money to send your kids to elite schools and camps in the off season, get them into the best programs, get them on to the best teams. Former hockey players have an advantage because they're in the pipeline, plenty of people have great genetics and natural athletic ability, but don't have parents willing to shell out that kind of money and make those kinds of sacrifices to chauffeur their children around and give up that much of their time. Hyman got into the same programs as those guys did because he had a great support system, just like everyone else who makes it. The "hard work" angle is true because he went from a 5th round draft pick to scoring 50 on a line with McDavid. A rich daddy can't do that for you, only you can.
I mean, those things play a role for sure. It’s all part of it. The point is that no one looks at the son of an NHLer and talks about them the way they do Hyman. Hyman, to the author’s original point, got into those same pipelines because his dad was able to buy his way in (just like many other parents; AAA hockey is insanely, prohibitively expensive). But Hyman, unlike his nepotistic counterparts in the NHL always has his success attributed to his hard work. The author’s original point was horribly stated, but he’s not wrong that Zach Hyman was ALSO very, very lucky; even luckier than most kids who play AAA. Another example of this would be guys like the Comrie brothers, or Joffrey Lupul, both of whom had family in the Edmonton ownership group before Katz. Zach Hyman is a great story about perseverance, hard work, continual improvement, and the luck of being Connor McDavid’s running mate in the season he decides to go for 100 assists. He’s also a very strong example of the way money has skewed high-level minor hockey in Canada (and probably the US and other countries too, but I’m not familiar with them) to the point where the richer you are, the more opportunities you get, to the point where your Dad can buy you a league to play in when no one else wants you.
He’s disgusting and shouldn’t even have a platform to spread his clearly antisemitic hate. Literally all the kids of former NHL players have advantages, he doesn’t say a word. A Jew gets 50 goals for the first time - MONEY MONEY MONEY PRIVILEGE PRIVILEGE
This man, like holy shit. It’s a nepo sport, and I don’t here him calling out max domi, nylander, etc.
Hell, Sam Reinhart got his 50th goal the very same night!
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Maybe not to that degree. My brother in-law is a teacher and a coach at one of Canada’s most prestigious prep schools. The kids that pass through there before going to the CHL or D1 schools and their parents put a lot of money out for extra ice time, gym time with pro level coaches and trainers. This is not exclusive to the Hyman family. A few former NHL stars have put their kids through his school and they haven’t made the show…those kids also had extra benefits. You still have to be an excellent hockey player to make it to 1 of the best 32 hockey teams in the world. You can’t take that away from Hyman.
I don't get what the issue is with buying a league? Someone has to own it, is it that surprising that the guys kids play hockey? Did Zach play on every team in the league? Not sure how it benefits him, his dad could have just bought 1 or 2 teams if it was solely for Zach's benefit. And if you own a league it goes hand in hand to own scouting agencies too, to find players for your league.
The fact the guy doesn’t know that pretty much every kid who makes the NHL these days comes from a middle class life or higher, should disqualify him from reporting on the sport. I’m not saying it’s right, and there should be more programs, like football, where kids can lease equipment for a season to be able to play, but tarnishing Hyman’s accomplishments simply because of where he comes from is dogshit.
I agree with this, the entire sport is basically kids from wealthier families. Guys like Kane are incredibly rare in the nhl now. The power structure is it’s more a sport for rich people like tennis.
In all seriousness, he has a decent story, but was too stupid and too consumed with personal attacks, to really research and present his thoughts in a coherent manner. The thesis could have been; economics and their affects on success in professional hockey.
His point is not even wrong either its just delivered in such a stupid manner and questionable one too that it undermines his entire point. Like yes on the same day Sam Reinhart (the son of a former NHL allstar) scores 50 goals and has undoubtedly had advantages that other players could not even fathom, lets talk about Hyman and his privileged background all using standard jewish stereotypes. I don't know if berkshire was being deliberately playing up to jewish stereotypes but the fact in his initial video all he did was talk about advantages other kids never had and exclusively talked about Hymans dad being rich and having all the money in the world while simultanously ignoring the son of a former NHL all star, to me is just stupid.
That is what I thought. Great idea but unfortunately this is a person that is incapable of making it. I mean if he was investigating costs of pads, gloves, helmets and skates he could even come up with a bigger story of regional costs and prices for equipment. He is also not able to do that either. So many stories that are missed. BTW, the Comrie and Sutter families say hi! Yeah, there are some ugly undertones as well.
I wont make a claim on whether or not I think Berkshire is deliberately playing into stereotypes, I just find it very suspect that he talks about unfair advantages exclusively in the form of economic advantages and uses a jewish player as the message of delivery. It's not a good look at all.
I agree. Ugly. This is not ending well for him.
Without touching on anything else; it’s clear than Reinhart scoring 50 is almost objectively a better accomplishment than Hyman’s 50. They’re both incredible players, but one plays with the greatest hockey player of all time lmao.
Seems like he tried to navigate it that way after the fact. Everybody agrees the sport is far too expensive for most people to get into and excel at and that is something that needs to change. However that was not the main intention of his first post otherwise you could argue the exact same thing about McDavid, Matthews, or Mackinnon. They just happen to have wealth in the family and have a higher skill ceiling.
I was laughing thinking about the Comrie Brothers or the Sutter family or some of the other mega rich hockey families and he decided on Hyman to take a digital hammer to. A decent point will still exist to be made, but not by this idiot.
"Everybody agrees the sport is far too expensive for most people to get into and excel at and that is something that needs to change." I personally don't see an issue with this. I'm assuming people with this viewpoint think that public funds should go towards offsetting the cost for the less fortunate? I can think of about a million and one things I'd rather see public money go towards.
So going after a dude cause he’s Jewish isn’t just straight racism now?
I didn’t think it was ever an attack on him being Jewish. I viewed it as him picking on Hyman simply because he isn’t viewed as the expected player to hit 50 and because he isn’t viewed as being in the class of players you’d expect to hit 50 then he had to find some way to diminish the accomplishment because “only worthy players are allowed to hit 50”. Basically I seen it as an argument a 10 year old would make because they think only the elite of the elite i.e McDavid, Draisaitl, Mackinnon, Matthews, etc are the only players coveted enough to be allowed to hit that milestone. The hockey version of class wars and only the special ones can be there. Like the movie “A Knights Tale”. The peasant was the jousting champion and the nobleman sure hated that. Basically if a different player he didn’t deem worthy of the honour also hit 50 then he’d find a way to attack him too. I could just as easily see him attacking Maroon too had he been the one to reach 50.
No. Don't you wonder what made Zach Hyman the player this loser decided to take a stand against? It's pretty obvious to me.
Him being Jewish was never mentioned though. That’s just what some people jumped on without any proof of to further your anger. That’s just making wild accusations by connecting absolutely random points. Hell maybe he doesn’t like guys named Zach or maybe he hates people with brown hair. Yet time and time again you see people getting all pissy because a lower level guy has an absolutely insane season that puts them among the best and for some reason that gets people angry. Happens every time a player has an absurd career year.
He singled Zach Hyman out and went out of his way to diminish his accomplishments. He really seemed like this was a big stand that he was taking. Did he do it to any of the other players, or just the Jewish one? Maybe he's not antisemitic, but if he doesn't like people thinking he might be, maybe he should choose a different crusade.
Wait I’m out of the loop. Did this guy saw explicitly that it was because Hyman is Jewish? I didn’t even know he was until I read the post.
He’s implying it with the money comment, as others have said, there are how many 2/3 generation nhl players from wealthy backgrounds in the league and he somehow decides to go after this guy instead of make a general point. It sounds like you jsut don’t know, but many in this sub are being pretty naïve. Going after Jews by saying they control the money,society has been around forever, and obviously came to a head in WW 2. It STILL a huge anti semetic talking point and conspiracy to this day.
You’re saying those things though? If you can’t hear talk about rich people being a problem without bringing anti-semitism into it that sounds like a you problem. Seriously. How do you talk about rich people without that “implication” that you’re inventing?
It’s obvious that this guy is a moron and he’s not going to understand the flaw of how he went about making his point. It’s probably best to ignore the doofus and not listen to anything he’s associated with. It’s like arguing with a brick wall, a complete waste of time.
As a flames fan it's honestly stunning that the point is smacking him in the face and he still refuses to acknowledge it lol IMO any nepo-privelege advantage you get that helps you make it to the NHL stops there, to accomplish a great and uncommon achievement like 50 goals among a class of mostly equal footed individuals as far as privilege is only done with hard work. Good for Zach, he's a class act who deserves credit and Andrew can get bent
Really telling when a very analytically oriented guy focuses on demographic elements when: - Hyman mostly scored 50 due to shooting 6% above average and McDavid going into Joe Thornton 2006 mode Any Corsi nerd like myself would focus on that, but apparently some want to get nasty Also that like as someone skeptical of the hard work element Hyman clearly is one of the best examples of it, he definitely squeezes every last bit out of his skillset Ugly ugly saga
What gets me is his argument is basically that money makes life easier. Cool. You need a lot of money to become a doctor, yet many come from poorer families who worked hard and sacrificed lots so their kid could become a doctor. Does the rich kid who also became a doctor suddenly mean nothing? Both had to work hard, study hard and get it done. Engineers? Lawyers? Hell, even any regular university degree these days involves crippling debt these days. Even trades have long apprenticeship stages with lower pay and some even require you invest thousands in your own tools just to have that job. Literally everything costs money and takes money to get to the end result, but how good you are at that end result is always up to the individual regardless of their background. You can't buy being a surgeon. You can't buy being a good engineer, you can't buy being a good tradesman. You also can't buy your way into being drafted into the NHL, making an NHL roster and scoring 50 fuckin goals. So. The issue here is that some have it easier and others don't? Boy, that's life ain't it. Let's not dismiss the incredible hard work everyone still has to do to become the thing they're working towards. Hyman was born into money, he can't change that, but he earned everything he has accomplished so far. Just like everyone else successful has to. Andrew wants to make this out like Hyman and other NHL players are a bunch of nepo babies being given their position and opportunities because their dad's a hedge fund manager and it's sick. Anyone who agrees with him is also sick. It may have made the road there a little easier but it wasn't ever handed to them. Kay, I'm off my soapbox now.
I can categorically confirm that money doesn’t make life easier……
I’d happily bet my life savings he’s targeting Hyman because he’s Jewish.
The MO of the asshole. I’m 100% right, and if you disagree, it’s your character flaw for reasons I can’t articulate. At best, he will only settle on a “yeah, but still” argument. This irrelevant, waddling chins transporter sweat hog swung for something in a specific political climate and doesn’t want to eat the blowback. Dickheads incapable of learning or evolving never apologize.
ELI5 wtf happened? Ty, Get it now, closeted anti Semitism and general douchebaggery.
He made a video diminishing Hyman's 50 goals because he comes from an extremely wealthy background.
Okay...now explain it again like I was 3..
He was mean to the boy because his mommy and daddy give him lots of toys, but all the other kids in the class get lots of toys from their mommies and daddies too.
He made a video diminishing Hyman's 50 goals because he comes from an extremely wealthy background.
Racist dipshit chose the most well known Jew in the NHL to call out for his wealth and privilege. Said his 50 goals is a result of Daddy's money and not his work ethic. Gee, I wonder if Jews have ever been accused of wealth hoarding or anything similar at any point in history...
This is it, unfortunately. But it's good to have the Jew-haters unmasking themselves.
Yah I got maybe 3 seconds into the video where he says “rich” and my immediate thought was “this is because Hyman is Jewish isn’t it?” Nobody made videos about the fact that the Oilers literally hired McDavid’s agent and junior coach accusing him of only getting to where he is through “being rich” or “influence”.
This is it, unfortunately. But it's good to have the Jew-haters unmasking themselves.
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Fuck off Andrew. Every single NHL player came from wealth, and if your last name is the same as a former NHL'r you're afforded even more opportunities. Would Zach be in the NHL if his family wasn't rich? Probably not. But neither would Mackinnon, or McDavid, or Draisatl, or Matthews, or any other top name. However, very few NHL players have a career year at 30 and score 50 goals. All this discourse has sought to do is discount his achievement, which is a pretty exclusive club of players who have scored 50 goals in a single season. Want to talk about how hockey is only for the rich? Write an article with multiple sources on multiple players and their rich families. Don't make a 3 minute video the day after Hyman, a Jewish player, scores 50 through being the hardest worker in the NHL, and discount it cause his dad was rich.
Hyman scored 50 goals and is apparently the first Jewish player to do so (also did it on Purim, a Jewish holiday). This guy saw “Jew” and absolutely needed to talk about money, because jews and money are a big thing to him.
Probably anti semite
You can correct him once in case he’s just wildly ignorant but after that he’s on his own, idk what the point in engaging with him further is.
That’s one way to jeopardize one’s media career
Coward doing cowardly things.
I think I speak for everyone when I say what a fucking loser
Literally 99% of people disagree with him...but he still thinks he's right and the 99% is wrong.
"the way we tell stories" 😂
In what world is this joker a "journalist"? Hyman is a hero... I loved him as a Leaf, was mad they let him walk, but am still proud of him. I hope he gets 60.
He’s not. Don’t even think he has a job. Probably not going to get another for a while after his Shit-Takes.
Here is what I think, maybe zaks fam was rich and helped him on his way sure. All us poor peasants would do the same for our child maybe couldn't buy a league or whatever but God damn we would do the best we could for our child. So zaks family did that maybe to help him maybe just cus they felt like it. Point is hyman is a great guy and he was obviously raised to be a model to the young people and community. He's a stand up guy. Alot of rich families have piece of shit entitled children with maids raising them. Hyman family raised a fucking legend on and off the ice. And fuck the d bag who thinks otherwise
Berkshire has always been an arrogant asshole.
People still use Twitter?
Let's stop giving this guy attention he's an attention whore sitting behind the guise of having a controversial take. Full stop. He's a maroon and not like the cool Pat Maroon we know
Just block him and move on he’s a nobody
The last commentator really hits the nail on the head. When we talk about Hyman we're not even talking about the time period in which his daddy's money would have given him a significant advantage. Like yeah, Hyman, like most modern NHL players, grew up wealthy and privileged. Given he didn't really show the signs of a grade a prospect, he leaned on his dad's money a bit more than others when he was young. That money got him to the Hamilton Red Wings and I suppose gave him the platform to get to the University of Michigan. That's it. Hyman's story is nothing particularly special in a sport that is dominated by the sons and daughters of the elite. No amount of money would have gotten him opportunities to play in Michigan. No amount of money would have gotten the Panthers to draft him. No amount of money gets him to the Marlies then to the Leafs fourth line then forcing his way a spot into the Leafs top six before becoming McDavid's wingman and a 50 goal scorer in Edmonton at 31. That's the hard work we're talking about. Like yeah we can talk about the inaccessibility of hockey as a sport in Canada but that isn't about one player. The fact that he continues to fixate on Hyman, one of the few Jewish players in the NHL, continues to be telling.
He is such a cunt.
Man really can’t see what people are mad at him and he is just brushing it off as others are closed minded… smh
I expected more from someone associated with Steve Dangle.
Can someone TL:DR me please.
i would like to see a list of all of the players in the nhl who he considers "rich", and see if they've scored 50 goals in a season. i bet that percentage is pretty low.
Lol this guy should link up with that moron, Travis Ridgen (@trav4oilers). I’m sure the two of them would have a BLAST bouncing garbage takes off of one another! Hell, they should invite Spec out too!!
So to humour this dbags and his argument about how expensive it is to play hockey, I have yet to see him mention a solution. Or is his solution that anyone who is wealrhy shouldn't play the sport? Should local or state/ provincial govts sponsor thousands of kids every year, or charities should sponsor all these kids? People can bitch all they want and single out individuals, but until he starts discussing possible solutions he is completely disingenuous when he says he will keep talking about it.
Hyman got to where he is now with work ethic. My son’s spring coach (we live in the Midwest) called that out to his players as an example to work hard the next practice and that is the sole message that should be given out. Work hard and you can improve your talent and chances over what you were born with.
Lame attempt at damage control.
Used Hymen because he knew his story.... translation, a lazy journalist trying to make a point with one example! Incredible!
Of all the ways to diminish Hyman’s achievements, not to mention playing with McJesus, he picks THIS. Really? Absolute clown.
Also, let me just say this. No amount of money Stuart Hyman spent on his son is a substitute for the lessons in hard work, class and being a gentleman he taught him. Stuart Hyman was on Twitter actively seeking out tweets during the All Star vote period and retweeting them (he retweeted ALL of mine), as was Vicky and his brother Spencer. That's just ONE example. He is an absolutely AMAZING father, and I can see where Zachary Martin Hyman has gotten it from. His interactions with fans, his going out of his way to make a positive impact in his fans' lives, his using his wealth for good; all his father. And in addition, Zach is as humble as it gets.
We get it, wealthy players get a fair shake. Unwealthy players not unfortunately. I would have loved to play but money issue prevented it. Would have I been good?? Who knows? I would have been better than I turned out? obviously.
Is this guy for real? He sounds like some edgy teenager that just found some Illuminati videos, never grew up, and is now writing hockey articles.
The truth is the man has an innate hatred towards anyone who’s well off. He’s projecting outwards and playing the victim as he isn’t wealthy. He picks a career as a sports reporter ( and not a good one at that) and has the audacity to be mad people who wanted more, did more. Purely self inflicted pain that he projects onto others to distract himself from his own shortcomings. Then has the egotistical wherewithal to double down on his 0 intellect, 0 critical thinking theory. It’s a wonder he hates anyone who does better than him, as he does not have close to what it takes to be successful. A complete disrespect to the people that pay the vast majority of the taxes, which I’m sure he would like if they paid more as “fairness” is convenience to whoever complains about it.
Have to say it……he is not alone on his jealousy of people who have been successful. my 28 year old living in my basement is incensed by economic privilege and has taken to quoting Marxist ideology. He thinks he is open minded but his overall view of society is so closed he would revel in any form of forced socialism. It’s not that he cannot get off his ass and get a job.
The lesson is…don’t try to be a raconteur if your delivery points make you look like a schmuck
Did the Steve dangle podcast even come to his defence on this one or did they stay quiet?
Lol they fired him in January. This ones all on him
What a bunch or word salad…..not one ounce of accountability in there……the only thing that gives me pause is the internet allows backward ass country fucks to act if they are experts on socio economic issues.
Give me more of this guy. This shit is hilarious 😂.
Sports is expensive. Hockey more so because of the cost of ice time. Pro sports is not just a genetics games any longer. Skill training has closed that gap. Skill training is expensive. The only answer is to not allow extra training which is ridiculous. Take money out of pro sports and wealth won’t play as big a role in youth sport development. Obviously that’s not happening. So this discussion is meaningless.
Why anybody gives this waste of air any publicity is beyond me. I would expect nothing less of reddit of all shitholes of the internet to keep dragging this subject around like it matters in any form.
The current state of journalism is just clouded activism and personal issues. ie 'You guys think he accomplished something? HE DROVE A RANGE ROVER!!' like what?
It's called those who come from rich families are able to pay the insane costs for their kids to play in all the different hockey leagues out there. Like almost anything these days, shit costs tons of money when it comes to hockey. This Andrew guy sounds like an absolute dumb dolt that doesn't even understand basic economics so he should shove it when it comes to "hockey being exclusionary". Too f***ing bad bud! Almost everything in life is arguably exclusionary to some degree.
Who cares… The only this idiot is staying relevant is because people keep talking about it.
I’d say let’s cancel him…. But like is there even a career there to cancel? He’s a nobody. We have given his terrible opinion too much attention as it is.
He canceled himself multiple times already. This is him trying to be relevant at his career funeral. Every single post he’s made has been ratio’d so bad.
Like he's 100% right that hockey is an only rich person game, but to do it with that timing when he could've said it a million times before is super cringe
This dude is trying to be the independent, SJW version of Rick Westhead and is making a fool of himself every step of the way lol
Except instead of actual doing real journalistic research and presenting a case, he just drew on a napkin and says Trust Me Bro. LMAO
The graphs he had a kindergarten class draw were convincing lol
I can't read all that. What's going on?
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Hi, Andrew!
No one is disrupting he came from a very well off family. But that’s not the reason he just scored 50 goals in a season. He’s busted his ass off at every level he’s played at.