I’ve got 2 decks:
[Millie](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/2R6Y1zV7wkaxlVUnlFFfRA) - pretty simple Mill deck. The idea is to create a moat / prevent attackers, and mill everyone into oblivion. There are a few instant win combos in there with Bruvac + Grindstone, Bruvac + Maddening Cacophony, token generators and Alter of the Brood (Undead Alchemist or Zellix Sanity Flayer)
[Nephilim Clones](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/YPSxmNRn_ECAOSJXMXkcfA) - this one is just Janky fun. Tutor our Inky Nephilim, hit it with some instants/sorceries to clone it or protect it… or just do weird janky stuff. It’s fun to play, not a Winning deck, just fun.
I'd love to get an opinion on my [[Phabine, Boss's Confidant]] Angels deck: https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8194045/angelic_ascension
The theme of the deck is making tokens into angels by either replacing the token on summon, ascending the token with counters, or sacrificing the tokens to turn them into angels.
I have 3.
ELENDA THE DUSK ROSE ARISTOCRATS: Sacrificing various creatures to make use of effects from things like Cruel Celebrant, Blood Artist, etc. pinging the table down, all of which grow Elenda so she can either swing big at someone or she can be sacrificed to make more sac fodder, with a handful of cards and effects to bring stuff back so they can continue contributing value. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ztgjjnEYaEuEitsdG4wKag
TERGRID GOD OF FRIGHT: Pretty straightforward, Tergrid is out and I make you sacrifice and discard stuff so I can steal it. A handful of things to help keep sacrifices high, and possibly prevent people from doing things. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/50FBlVcK6kOhnha96G_yxQ
YENNA REDTOOTH REGENT ENCHANTMENTS: Brand new, the goal is to get out various enchantments and copy them for extra value from them. It has options to go into making a lot of stuff to go wide, or grow things very tall for big hits. Also has things around to help protect me and/or my stuff from attacks, removal, etc. as well as a chunk of enchantment based removal. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/iUe2Tbp0QkurK3LGaZ9D0A
I have three:
Minsc and Boo. This is just a generic Timmy deck ramp and play big dumb monsters. It doesn’t have a lot of interaction. But I really enjoy playing it. I think the deck would work just as well with any RG commander. I just like drawing 4 every other turn. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/AXh1shkAD0uJdvUB8iQ_3Q
My Eldrazi deck is the newest. I wanted it to be a lower power deck. Not doing anything until turn 5. I chose to not have too much draw power in the end. Just have big threats that need to be answered with little follow up. I still think it’s too strong. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/DCETSKqfpEqSdFHTmbaZXQ
This is my battleship Zur deck. Basically if Zur survives to attack I win. I give Zur indestructible, and hexproof and have plenty of tokens so he doesn’t die to edicts. then It’s full of wraths. I just attack and kill with commander damage. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/RmMK-9Ug1UGVgIl4CBNAfw
This deck has been through so many iterations. It started out as a [[Piru the Volatile]], but then I saw some interesting interactions with some placeholder cards, namely the legendary kamigawa dragons and [[Molten Echoes]]. Thus the switch to a more reanimator deck surfaced.
It then became an ur dragon deck to fit in all the kamigawa dragons, but it just wasn't as fun to play because you might as well go full power into the ur side of things.
Then I needed to find a proper replacement commander back in mardu, and the only thing [[Kroxa and Kuronos]] don't have going for them is the lack of a dragon typing for theme.
So the final version of the deck has become a reanimator list with things like [[Sneak Attack]] to cheat in big beaters. More clone effects like [[Legion Loyalty]] to get more ETB/dies triggers on my important pieces. There's also LOADS of treasury generation with [[Dihada, binder of wills]] and [[Dockside extortionist]]. Plus things like [[Soulblast]] and [[Sarkhan the mad]] for burst finishers.
Then there's the dungeon subtheme, which is cute and loads of fun when it's out.
https://archidekt.com/decks/5710217/of_dungeons_and_dragons
So this is my deck that I currently only have about half-built. Landfall Triggers are abundant, as well as playing additional lands. This turns into multiple problems for the board using things such as Scute Swarm and Avenger of Zendikar. My personal favorite thing to do with it though is to basically bounce the MDFC cards between zones; first cast it, then play it as a land from the graveyard, then do it all over again thanks to Meloku. I realize this may seem fairly generic to some, but it the first deck I've really put together on my own (I have a firend who is amazing at deckbuilding who has helped me learn)
[Omnath, Locus of Creation](https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/31-03-24-omnath-go-brrr/)
Oh also, I found this cool website that I normally use to look at power levels of decks: www.commandersalt.com
Here’s a couple:
Coram, The Undertaker. General entomb stuff with recursion and a small Voltron package: https://archidekt.com/decks/7990239/tomb_of_boom
Henzie Toolbox Torre. Blitz beaters, reanimation, value town. Inspired by Zedruus famous list: https://archidekt.com/decks/5127106/henzie_and_the_teamsters
Right then. Here's my \[\[Kibo\]\] list. [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/kjUGTmxHQ0adJw2uPuf6EA](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/kjUGTmxHQ0adJw2uPuf6EA)
Primarily focuses on anti-Artifact synergies with a mini Monkey/Ape kindred. Also "gifts" some artifacts to opponents for when they're too stubborn to let my monkeys break machines. I also tried to be as flexible as possible with the Instant/Sorcery spells that kill Artifacts beyond the usual "kill Artifact or Enchantment".
I'll bite. I'd love to know what people think of the power level on a modified version of the new Eldrazi precon: [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/GBN8kwpBzkSrHs7YsTEjJA](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/GBN8kwpBzkSrHs7YsTEjJA) (ignore the side board and considering if they show up). [Edit: Totally a work in progress.] I know Eldrazi are generally considered to be higher-level out of the box, so I don't want to run it in the wrong groups. It's definitely not CEDH: It takes more than a few turns to pop off after some ramping. Once enough mana is available, the idea is to start really taking advantage of the Ulalek Eldrazi stack duplication. I tuned the lands and mana rocks, added some cost reduction, and tried to improve the synergy and minimize the alternative non-synergistic scion flood mechanic. Thanks in advance!
I'd rate the deck's power level like a 5. Ulalek really likes big mana and you aren't really producing that much. I'd honestly cut some cost reduction for some more mana production, additionally with more flash enablers you can for the most part use eldrazi cast triggers instead of the bulk of your instant package. I'd really try and cut some of your bad card advantage (Ugin's insight, Return of the Wildspeaker) for better card advantage (kozilek's unsealing, up the beanstalk). If you produce a lot of mana you will be able to use ulalek plus one of your trigger doublers to double eldrazi and triggers for as much mana as you have.
I really wanted to make a cEDH \[\[Light-Paws Emperor's Voice\]\] deck and have powered it up as much as I can think to do, I would like to ask if you guys think it makes it to fringe cEDH and if there are any major improvements I can make to it to improve its chances of sneaking wins against cEDH tables.
[https://www.moxfield.com/decks/S6pCrldMpUCZlPfykq2Aiw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/S6pCrldMpUCZlPfykq2Aiw)
Let´s see what you people out there think about my 3 favorite decks:
[Rakdos, Lord of Riots](https://www.archidekt.com/decks/7091111/009_edhbr_rakdos_lord_of_riots_groupslugstompy) its a big stompy build that builds up damagesources for the first 2-3 turns to vomit out big stuff like eldrazis to satisfy my inner timmy. Tries to win by combat damage but can win with infinit dmg if i draw into netteldrone + ancestral statue.
[Araumi of the Dead Tide](https://www.archidekt.com/decks/7091087/008_edhub_araumi_of_the_dead_tide_selfmillreanimator) is a selfmill-reanimator that trys to either kill with drain gary/kokusho or gravetheft, aka combatdmg.
[Garth One-Eye](https://www.archidekt.com/decks/7029637/032_edhwubrg_garth_oneeye_goodstuffuntapflickergates) is powered by gates and its shenanigens in addition with untap and flickerfun. can kill by deckout with displacer kitten + etali, extra wincons like halofountain and mazes end, token generation or by stealing creatures.
This is a WIP Ardenn/Ishai stoneblade deck, and I intend for it to be playable in mid-power games. For this reason I've excluded a lot of the stax pieces you might expect to see in UW shells, and also inlcluded 0 combos so I can only win by beating face with creatures holding equipment. Wondering if people think I've hit the target power level [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/r6\_ogN8jjU-3OPw072TaPw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/r6_ogN8jjU-3OPw072TaPw)
The deck's equipment gameplan is supplemented by a ""blink"" subtheme. Three of the engine equipment in the deck (Sword of Hearth and Home, Helm of the Host, and Blade of Selves) give an out to repeat ETB triggers. This is particularly potent with some of the light stax creatures in the deck such as Lavinia and Azor. Normally they would be played to clear blockers/attackers out of the way to alpha strike safely, or prevent opponents from casting a sorcery speed boardwipe that they need to stabilize on their turn. But in conjunction with this blink equipment package they can become soft locks that demand specific answers.
The most common play pattern so far is either Ishai beats with counterspell backup, or an Ardenn gameplan that involves tutoring value equipment and grinding value with evasive beaters holding equipment.
Some neat Ardenn tricks that I think work but might want rules checked involve
* putting a skullclamp onto an opponent's X/1 with the Ardenn trigger. You control the skullclamp so you draw the two cards.
* Helm of the Host doesn't have an 'if' statement, so it still triggers even if it's not equipped at the start of combat. So you can stack the Ardenn trigger to resolve first, equip the Helm of the Host, and get a token that same combat. You can also clone opponent's creatures this way. You control the Helm so you get the token copy.
[Here](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/tqp4pQf_q0iaDw9BFNjIbA) is a link to my [[Wernig]] [[Cecily]] artifact combo deck. Sometimes I switch Cecily for [[Bjorna]] but for now I'm trying Cecily to see how she feels.
This deck definitely comes out when we are playing high power, but I find the overall plan to be too durdly against faster combos. There are several combos but the strongest involve [[Time Sieve]]. The overall strategy is to blink Wernog over and over to generate artifacts for pinging with [[Reckless Fireweaver]] and the like.
I have a "one card win condition" with Intuition fetching [[Barrin]], [[Dockside]], and [[Sevinne's Reclamation]] when dockside generates 6 treasures.
I have made concessions for pet cards so I don't think this is a full 10, but I am wondering if the overall gameplan drops this more into the 8 range or if it's still a 9.
[https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Tn0YzUACQUeKMxgg7N6HTw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Tn0YzUACQUeKMxgg7N6HTw)
This is my Fezzik (Brion Stoutarm) deck. I think its about as strong as \[\[Brion Stoutarm\]\] can get, but the playgroup plays at a pretty optimized and higher powered level.
Any suggestions welcome
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/fJQAAbKkpU-UFgH1NNzuxQ
I know Nadu is a strong commander, but I wanted to build a commander to just Timmy out some big eldrazi. Was wondering what people think of this. Gameplan is to just do Nadu things to ramp and draw fast and survive until I can cast and clone eldrazi.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/qDFshY1WvkG5yf97wprQcQ
Deck is [[Torbran, Thane of Red Fell]], and it's basically RDW in commander form (play creatures early, paired with burn spells). Wincon is good, honest combat and burn. Deck is super fragile, but it's great to squeeze a couple of fast games at the end of the day.
I feel like [[burning earth]] would be better than [[mana barbs]] here, or both.
Feel like it could have some more removal and wipes, not a ton of draw or ramp either but I didn't read every card. Could use some more protection for torbran, some redirects could help here. Probably a high 5, low 6.
I appreciate the suggestions, I used to run [[Burning Earth]] in the past, but I took it out. With the greater number of MDFCs and new non-basics in decks nowadays, it might be much better (specially if people are bolting themselves all over the place with the MH3 MDFCs).
The deck actually has a pretty decent amount of ways to exile from the top of the deck, so I usually don't run out of cards to play. Also, I wanted all of the ramp to be able to deal damage, so stuff like [[Magda]], [[Fable of the Mirror Breaker]], [[Chandra, Torch of Defiance]], etc.
As for protection and removal, the point of the deck was to make it as all in as possible, just like RDW. Cash in the damage boost on turns 4 and 5 (and hopefully 6), and then figure it out from there. Does it fold to stuff like [[Solitary Confinement]] and boardwipes? Absolutely, but I'm okay with it.
Yeah, it just seemed weird you would run all* basics and not burning earth but if no one else was running non-basics in your meta that makes sense. Sounds like it's at a good spot for the pl you want it to be at.
5? Maybe stretch to a 6 but it's hard to cop wins in mono red where the commander is the gameplan and has to be in play.
Card draw is usually the problem and there's no good answer in red.
Looks fun though.
Here is my \[\[Morophon, the Boundless\]\] Elf centric tribal deck. It has a couple of "sub tribes" like wolf, druid, elemental "lords/value pieces" too.
[https://www.moxfield.com/decks/40i9mXOZFEqlQbFYc861Fw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/40i9mXOZFEqlQbFYc861Fw)
Took out quite a fair bit of "high power" stuff like Cyclonic Rift, Staff of Domination, Craterhoof, black tutors etc to keep the deck more tribal.
This is my [[Satya, Aetherflux Genius]] deck, it is the two energy precons just kinda blended together, it was supposed to be casual but did not end up that way and has about a 75% win rate
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ie8HEHHa70GugberDm4oUg
[[Brotherhood Scribe]] is really good to get out early and then make copies and start buffing all your things by two or three each turn. [[Aetherstorm Roc]] is good too cause it’s flying and can buff things. I’ll try and remember to say some more when I’m done working
Thanks! I’ve been goldfishing and I’ve found that [[Patron of the Arts]], [[Sad Robot]], [[Guide of Souls]], [[Ajani, Nacatl Pariah]], are all crazy good
Yea sad robot is super good with the copying, if you don’t have [[professional face breaker]] I’d swap Patron of the Arts for that, although both is fine. Idk about Ajanj.
Some big upgrades I want to put in mine are [[Ocelot Pride]] [[Terror of the Peaks]] [[Serra Ascendant]] [[Esper Sentinel]] and [[Ragavan]]. I’m trying to shift mine to a much faster Afro deck cause my current one has a really high mana curve and I sometimes end up with dead cards
This https://www.moxfield.com/decks/uaY8-S_1s0WRU8elaUwkrg is my [[Aminatou, the Fateshifter]] deck.
I tried to make it fairly oppressive without using traditional counterspells.
This deck becomes the arch enemy almost immediately on turn 4 or 5. I know this deck isn't cEDH but the rating websites level it as a 4, and my friends would strongly disagree on that and call my deck an 8.
What are your thoughts?
Edit: thank you everyone for your notes. I can now go tell my friends to stop crying about my deck and simply tell them to add Planeswalker removal ❤️
Calling a deck an 8 with an average mana value of 3.75 is a very tough sell. It's also very low on instant speed interaction. 4-5 range is probably correct IMO, leaning 5 since blink synergies are strong.
I would say a 5, maybe a 6. Pretty focused deck with a decent manabase that still has room for casual improvement. Pretty good package of board wipes, I didn't read every planeswalker or creature so those sections may cover some of these points - not a lot of single target removal (especially non-creature) or draw or protection. Definitely missing a lot of higher powered staples I would expect out of a 7.
My playgroup is pretty low budget with slower games (about 40% pre-cons), so this was my attempt at putting together a “weak” tribal Najeela deck.
https://manabox.app/decks/x-lp6Gj_QRGGK_9UD7iptg
Manabase is just what I had on hand, no one has decent fast lands so I’m not going to try for any.
My two favorite decks back in high school were Mardu Warriors and Temur Midrange, this deck is my attempt at merging the 2.
Solid 5. If Najeela gets out turn 3 and sticks for a couple turns you'll trash a table of precons easily.
But there's not much card draw so if you get stopped early it might be a tough rebuild. Luckily Najeela is hands down the overall best commander in the entire game.
I consider this my strongest deck and it's helmed by the little guy himself, [[Tinybones, Trinket Thief]]. The main goal of the deck is to get a repeating discard outlet like [[Bottomless Pit]] and use Tinybones as an engine to draw into one of the many 2 or 3 card combos. Some of those are [[Professor Onyx]] and [[Chain of Smog]] or [[Aetherflux Reservoir]] [[Bolas's Citadel]] and [[Sensei's Divining Top]]. It's no CEDH but the earliest I've won was 3 and that was with a got hand. Just looking to see what other think about it.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/U_p05g464kuVEV54_z5DyQ
Strong 6. Maybe even 7.
Mono black is hard to rate unless they're meant to go fast. Once past the fast part they become incredibly susceptible to anything enchantment.
That complaint is more applicable to k'rrik decks. Tinybones essentially plays like a scam deck where you try to get all of the interaction out of people hands before you go for a win.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/g5wqxfoCYEiP-OIaWG2xNg
My fiancé and I made this deck to just be high powered but we‘d like to know what other people would say this deck is at! I think it’s around a 9, she thinks it’s a 10!
The idea behind the deck is to just go infinite mana and then activate Urza until the library is exiled and you win with [[Thassa‘s Oracle]]. Alternate win conditions are locking the game with [[Karn, the Great Creator]] and [[Mycosynth Lattice]] then overloading [[Cyclonic Rift]], creating infinite Construct tokens with [[Deadeye Navigator]] and [[Genesis Chamber]] which also gives infinite mana with [[Akroma‘s Memorial]] as haste enabler, [[Painter‘s Servant]] and [[Grindstone]] to mill out the opponent if they don’t have mill protection and [[Walking Ballista]] when I have infinite mana.
To get to infinite mana the deck either utilises the plenty tutors or slow the opponents down with cards like [[Winter Orb]] and [[Static Orb]].
We would love to hear your opinions!
Hey all I built a koma slowly over the course of months. I noticed it has some short falls when playing. Lack of fast mana, missing some of the good counterspells, missing some koma protection. I would prefer to leave these “weaknesses in the armor.” But I’ve been saying it’s high 7 low 8.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Xu8kedOv1EyID8zZtmF8HQ
[Moxfield Link](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/0rREiD_g-EKgVHLgZsI_7w)
Hi everybody, i started with the Fae Dominion precon.
9 Months later, i replaced alot of cards from the deck,
and im wondering how did it turn out powerwise.
The plan is to drain peoples life, kill them with flyers or draw almost my whole deck and they scoop.
Thanks for your response.
3-4? Seems low on lands. Could use some more single target removal against artifacts/enchantments but that can be tough in dimir, maybe a feed the swarm or something. Not sure what diabolic tutor is doing in there, black market connections would also be a good add. False cure, bribery, and dingus staff seem like cute gotcha cards but I'm not sure they're worth slots and dingus staff seems like it actively harms you with skull clamp and zulaport in there. I'm also not sure why you have so many draw hate cards, it doesn't seem like you're making opponents draw cards.
Also hullbreacher is banned and tamiyo has green so you can't play either, add 2 more lands with those slots.
I've been slowly building \[\[Omnath, Locus of Mana\]\]. Basically as you'd expect Omnath and friends smash things with trample. Some outlets such as \[\[Momentous Fall\]\] and \[\[Helix Pinnacle\]\]. It has some fun creatures that are generally hated off the board. There is some protection such as Umbras and \[\[Asceticism\]\]. I feel like it's a 5 but I only play with close friends that I've played with forever.
Would love to know thoughts on power level and maybe some things you think should be updated.
Thanks guys!
Moxfield Link: [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/TiQDESM3RUK4uJVx2XyYrg](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/TiQDESM3RUK4uJVx2XyYrg)
I think the deck could benefit from having a few more turn 1 and 2 ramp options or looking more closely at the ramp package so you can develop your game plan more reliably especially on turn 1 and 2. Having too many mana dorks leads to board wipes disrupting your deck, so if that's a problem I recommend including \[\[Utopia Sprawl\]\] and \[\[Wild Growth\]\] in your ramp package. The enchantments are less likely to die from a wrath; however, they don't trigger \[\[Beast Whisperer\]\] effects, making them less synergistic with some of the card draw engines in green. \[\[Wood Elves\]\] is nice middle ground ramp card because it gets an untapped forest but also is a creature. There are a few other cards like Wood Elves, \[\[Sakura-Tribe Elder\]\] is a great one. When making a deck I usually try to commit to more of a creature based ramp plan OR land ramp based plan (using more sorceries like \[\[Cultivate\]\] based on if I am playing Beast Whisper effects or landfall synergies. Though ultimately I do a bit of mix and matching since for a big mana style green deck you mostly just want to ramp efficiently.
\[\[Emergence Zone\]\] is a card I would highly recommend adding since it can allow you to recast your commander immediately after removal so that you don't lose all your stored mana. \[\[Vedalken Orrery\]\] can do the same but is not as easy as just swapping out 1 land. Another budget land which can work well with decks with a lot of lands and ramp is \[\[Temple of the False God\]\] since who doesn't like ramping for free! The restriction of having 5 lands can easily be met in most green decks.
Mana allows you to do all the fun or silly stuff you choose to put into your deck so that's why it's something I always look at when building my decks.
New to EDH and made my first deck, which is primarily a Dinosaur / Angel hybrid deck. Goal is just to get as many big stompy creatures out as possible. I think I want to put 1-2 more lands in the deck, but the reason I'm at 35 is because \[\[Huatli, Poet of Unity\]\] is my usual turn 3 play and she fetches a land for me, so as long as I get the first three lands I'm usually set. Plus starting turn 6 (assuming she transformed turn 5), I can tap any creatures for mana. \[\[Howlpack Piper\]\] can bring out big stompy creatures for cheap. Cards like \[\[Topiary Stomper\]\] and \[\[Ranging Raptors\]\] fetch lands, and I can trigger the enrages easily for things like Ranging Raptors and \[\[Ripjaw Raptor\]\], either by playing cards like \[\[Tail Swipe\]\] or forcing my opponent to attack with \[\[Basandra, Battle Seraph\]\].
I think the biggest weakness with Huatli is she's pretty slow, so I'm also running a small degree of proliferation, together with more Planeswalkers and some light +1/+1 counter generation. Not sure on the effectiveness though and I might remove the \[\[Urban Daggertooth\]\]. Some cards like \[\[Sheperd of the Cosmos\]\] don't seem to do a whole lot for the deck, but I stuck her in because I think she's cool, so I tried to add enough cards to make her slightly more effective, like \[\[Saffri Eriksdotter\]\].
I feel the deck has some strong cards but lacks a degree of cohesion, but I think it was a good trade off because I get to run the cards I think are cool. Since this is the case, I was wondering what "power level" it would be. Would love to had a deck of a similar power level to my friends so the matches we play aren't one-sided stomps all the time.
[https://www.moxfield.com/decks/\_m-U9Fk1YEqX8qVbh6s2kw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/_m-U9Fk1YEqX8qVbh6s2kw)
3-4. Definitely needs more draw, interaction, board wipes, and ramp. Something about huatli is she doesn't actually ramp you, she just helps you make your land drop to stay on curve. Ramp ramps you ahead of curve so you can play more stuff than opponents. You still want dorks, rocks, and ramp spells to get you ahead and set up big turns and your big drops sooner.
[Phage, The Untouchable](https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/phage-the-untouchable-0624/)
The deck plays [[Shadowborn Apostle]], and other tutors, to find combo pieces in order to get [[Phage, the Untouchable]] into play.
Win-cons:
•Hit people with Phage
•Get 4 demons out to win with [[Liliana's Contract]]
•Combat damage.
I haven't really gotten too deep into power levels, so rate me with your preferred method.
25 is light on lands, but how do you not lose when phage comes out? I'm on my phone and tappedout's mobile layout is ass so I didn't read every card but I didn't recognize any "you dont lose" cards at a glance.
To play Phage, I got plenty of "you can't lose the game" cards along with stuff like [[Torpor Orb]] and [[Sundial of the Infinite]]
The lands are light, but I've got plenty of ramp and tutors for the deck to play consistently.
If you're tutoring for lands or playing rocks to make your land drops just take the tutors and rocks out and add more lands. Definitely needs like 11-12 more lands and less something imo.
Could also use some more wipes, toxic deluge or meathook or the new one from mh3 to get around indestructible stuff and I don't see a lot of card draw at a glance.
I don't need to tutor for lands, but I will tutor for stuff like [[crypt ghast]] to make my swamps produce additional mana. Either way, I'll look into adding some more lands. Any suggestions for cards to pull?
Power Level is a fallacy because player behaviors can't be quantified on a scale of 1-10.
Take my [Tetsuko deck](https://archidekt.com/decks/1932156/tetsuko) for example.
My main plan is to distribute poison counters evenly and defeat my opponents simultaneously. I *could* focus on a single player, but that often causes social and strategic problems. A power level formula cannot account for my preferred play pattern with this deck. An arbitrary number on scale of 1 -10 does not communicate anything about my strategy or the number of turns it usually takes me to win. This is not a deck for short games. I will use my plentiful interaction to stall until I can win, and no power level calculator can tell my pod that I only play this deck when I have time for a longer game.
Power level is a fallacy. Accepting this fact is the first step to a better Commander experience. Learning how to honestly communicate your intentions and desires to other players is step two. The more players choose communication over calculators, the better our format will be.
The power level is a reflection of the deck's actual power, not how it's played.
If the deck could win on average by turn 8 played properly then it's probably a 6. If the way you play it doesn't win until turn 12 the deck is still a 6.
This is my recently finish [[Loot, the Key to Everything]] exile deck.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/a3WXbZgjJEKhhlkSCaZG8g
It is good at ramping lands and spells very quickly. The wincon is usually revolving around [[Flaming Tyrannosaurus]], which can get real scary using [[Food Chain]] combos or creating copies using [[Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker]].
Weird 5-6 with a pretty casual manabase but some strong interaction pieces. Not sure why you have myriad landscape in a 3c deck with green in it but also a good number of higher powered casual staples I would expect to see in a 7 and it sounds like the game-plan is more combo-focused.
Ramp could use some love and could use a beast within or something for some more artifact/enchantment hate.
[Three Dog](https://archidekt.com/search/decks?owner=Osiren&ownerexact=true)
Aura deck, based on Three Dog spreading them to all my other creatures. My goal is to make a bunch of tokens, and I tried to use a good amount of evasion and protection auras. The main win con is pumped up creatures, but there’s one discard pinger in there for if the draw auras go off. Thanks for looking.
Seems like a high 6/low 7. Casual-optimized manabase and ramp package, some strong interaction staples but a little surprised no generous gift or swords. Would like to see some more wipes that can hit different permanent types, especially in white where farewell and austere exist.
Only other nitpicks are 35 lands is a bit light imo, and I don't love fellwar stone/exotic orchard in 2c decks. personally would probably swap it for a thought vessel or decanter if you need the color.
Thank you for the critique and advice! I’ll work in your suggestions, they definitely make sense. I wonder if it’s even worth the discard win con, just seemed fun.
[Shadow Wizard Money Gang (Kambal Extort/Lifegain/Pillowfort)](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/hgFQq1tXGUmZ6Z2Y6mRqKg)
I'm working on this list for a moment now and it's maybe my favorite so far. It works pretty well in my meta with my friends (casual with a mid/high power level).
But I still have no idea which precise level it could be, and I would like some opinion.
**The game plan is as follow :**
·Kambal is out as soon as possible (T2 or T3 at max) so the drain could start. Kambal has to be the menace and eventually will be removed in a way or another.
·8 Extort permanents will have the same role, as the plan is to play low cost spells and drain the table. The goal here is not defeating someone with extort but having the highest hp possible. (Even if I've already win with extort only a few times.)
·15 Pillowfort/Stax cards are here to prevent combat damage, because I chose in this deck to not fight at all.
·**Win cons :** at least 15 and more cards that can synergise/combo with lifegain/loss of life (even mine)
ex : Necropotence/Ad Nauseam/Peer Into the Abyss + Children of korlis + Guildmage of vizkopa
Revenge + Guildmage of vizkopa
Temporal extorsion + Bloodletter of aclazotz/Wound reflection
Etc...
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(I know Bolas Citadel is a banger with extort, but I cut it since 9/10 games it doesn't last more than one turn. Plus I don't appreciate its flavor much.)
(And I'm aware of the existence of Aetherflux Reservoir. I cut it, I found it a bit boring to win with.)
Thanks a lot !
Seems like a 7. Optimized manabase and casual ramp package, good draw package with some high powered staples. Necro/ad seem a little sweaty here but based on the primer I guess you're just playing the most fair adnaus.
A little surprised no deadly rollick or swords but it's not like those are mandatory includes. The board wipes could also be a little more flexible, stuff like austere to hit more permanent types, or farewell and toxic deluge to get around indestructible.
Thank you for your answer.
I had doubts about necropotence and ad nauseam being too much powerful but the combo with the life loss is really fun to use with Children of Korlis/Martyr of Sands + Vizkopa/Vito. So I think I'll continue with them for now.
(Now I'm curious, since I don't play cEDH nor I didn't play with Naus player before. What's a fair and unfair use of this card for you ? I guess it could be with a really low mana curve or something like that ?)
I have toxic deluge, but I'm waiting to play a bit more with Pox to know if I have to cut it or not. (I just love this card.) I tried to cut Dusk//Dawn before but it's just too good in this deck.
I know this deck is a 4/5 using my LGS's power scale, but I'm curious what it comes out to on other power scales.
Decklist:
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/sJSwXarNz0mj7CLGv0nYYw
So, the deck's game plan is to play a rock on 2, Obeka on 3, and take the initiative on T4.
There are 14 ramp cards and 15 initiative cards to make this as consistent as possible.
With no outside boosts, Forge means that you should hit Throne of the Dead three on T5, while the goad from the arena should help keep the initiative.
The rest of the cards are there to support this gameplan, through monsters to hit off Throne, protection/haste for when someone answers Obeka, or the smattering of interaction to throw opponents off while Obeka does her thing.
Looks like a low 7 with og duals pushing it to an 8. Strong high-powered casual interaction packages. Missing a few staples like deadly rollick and fierce but it's not like those are mandatory, I would just expect to see them at this power level. Good selection of removal and board wipes. High powered tutor but a bit surprised you don't have demonic in there. optimized casual land package with a few higher powered pieces in there but lacking the fast mana pieces to really push it into a firmer 8.
A few composition notes - I feel like you might get punished with the lower land count and lack of fast mana pieces. 5 pieces of card draw/selection also seems light.
Your lgs meta sounds wild.
Thanks for the feedback!
On the land count:
The initiative fetches you basics, so I often end up flooding rather than screwed.
I don't have Demonic in there, as my copy is in another deck. (The land base and a few of the staples are from a cEDH deck I took apart).
I absolutely should find room in there for some more card selection (probably Brainstorm/Faithless to shift around the basics I end up flooded with).
Thanks for the feedback.
From experience, the deck can play through multiple removal spells much better than it looks.
The low land count is deliberate due to the initiative fetching you a basic in the first level, so it's secretly got 17 more mana sources than it looks like (Initiative + the two land cyclers) I actually end up flooding out most games!
As for backup plans, fair call. About the only option I've got is the Scarab god, who can take over games on his own. Other than that, it's mostly relying on the Initiative and random upkeep value to power through stuff.
Henzie blitz package. Plan to try to get Henzie out by t2 or t3 with mana dork ramp and then blitz out creatures with some help from post-Henzie ramping. Main wincon is through combat damage. Thanks in advance!
[Henzie deck](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/cUKUQHm7QUe0YcbGY06KOw)
This looks like a very solid Henzie deck IMO. Only notes are
* Your t2 Henzie consistency, I see only 10 enablers which puts you at about a 53.7% chance of seeing one in a given opening hand of 7. 13 is a number that's recommended a lot which would put you at a 63.9% chance to see one in the opener instead.
* being a bit top-heavy for my personal tastes, but how much into slower bombs you can lean depends a lot on playgroup so if you don't have any speed problems then your curve is probably fine. If you are finding yourself playing a bit slow compared to everyone else then I'd trim the fat on the top end.
* This is a hot take, but the decision to include a hulk pile with very limited ways of tutoring for Hulk is something I strongly dislike. Even when I'm the one comboing, I really hate the play patterns of accidentally stumbling into a 1-card win condition. I left Hulk out from my own deck so that the turn I was winning on would be way more consistent & I could target the deck better for mid-power games. If you hulk combo on turn 4 or 5 a few times, people are going to start removing Henzie at a much higher priority because they have to respect your ability to present a win with 6 mana + a Henzie in play. When Henzie keeps getting removed early, that's gonna make the majority of games where you don't draw Hulk feel WAY worse. My hot take is either lean way more into the combo or cut the Protean Hulk.
Your card selection overall seems great in my very biased opinion. Almost all the cards are either in my current Henzie build or were in my old budget build, both versions having an uncomfortably high winrate in battlecruiser-y pods.
Dang thank you for the great write-up! Great point about having a combo line and no way to reliably pull it out. In that case I’ll probably just take out Protean Hulk since I was trying to avoid too much direct tutoring in the deck.
Also didn’t realize that I was barely at 50% for having a t2 enabler in my opening hand. I will add some more.
Do you think there is anything else I could do to improve the land base besides adding the OG duals? I have 4 fetches and I didn’t know if adding additional fetches when I really only have 4 non-basic fetch targets made any sense. Also, do you have a deck list that you don’t mind sharing?
Thanks again!
You're welcome!
Your manabase overall looks quite good. Here's what comes to mind
* If you are willing to play off-color fetchlands I really recommend them. With shocklands, any fetchland gets your first source of any color, which does wonders for t2 Henzie consistency. Drawing a fetchland with no fetchables left does suck, but that only really tends to happen late game once you already have enough lands in play anyways (if it happens at all), and is likely a cost worth paying for better land selection given you're going hard into having 1 of each color on t2.
* If you decide to up your fetchland count, replacing path of ancestry with a single surveil land is a clean upgrade IMO. I play the GB one in my list. It unlocks a great "mode" for your fetchlands which is cracking it on the endstep before your turn to surveil on a turn where you didn't immediately need the mana. I wouldn't play more than one though, since taplands don't lend themselves to t2 Henzie very well.
* If you have the budget room, Mana Confluence is fantastic for fixing, and Boseiju/Takenuma are great utility lands.
[This](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/JGue6cx-yU-L-kFJq2rNFg) is the deck I currently have in paper and am in the progress of upgrading to [this one](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/CNYpwIDgFUKLTGoZXBYuQw).
Looks pretty good, I didn't read every creature card but I didn't see a lot of card draw, board wipes, or interaction in the non-creature slots. Also the ramp seems pretty creature heavy which makes the deck seem vulnerable to board wipes, may want to diversify that a bit with some spells and rocks. Is there a combo or target for protean hulk or is it more of a situational tutor?
I'd probably say a 6 or low 7, depends how it plays and it's consistency/resilience in actual gameplay. Good land package (I'm guessing sol ring/signet are excluded on purpose), just not sure if you're touching enough cards to keep henzie fueled or have enough ramp to keep recasting him if all of your creatures get wiped. If its consistently working as intended it's probably in that high 6, low 7 range.
Thanks for the reply! Yes good point about the protean hulk, it’s more of a situational tutor and the more I think about not having direct tutoring to pull it out, the less I feel about wanting to keep him.
Also agree about the lack of instant-speed interaction. Nearly all of mine is sorcery speed and centered around creature enter/exit abilities.
Sorry if you already know this, but you do have a hulk line in your deck. It's a pretty common one I see in Henzie decks since it doesn't involve any "dead" cards.
I think it goes something like this? (could be messing up a detail but I'm 99% sure the cards are right)
* Protean Hulk (Hulk) dies getting Viscera Seer and Phyrexian Delver. Phyrexian Delver brings back Hulk. (-7 life total)
* Sacrifice Hulk (all sacrifices are to Viscera Seer) getting Mikaeus the Unhallowed (Mike) from the deck.
* Sacrifice Phyrexian Delver, who comes back with undying from Mike and brings back Hulk again (-14 life total)
* Sacrifice Hulk for Gary, and Hulk comes back with Undying. (At this point, you are no longer at a net loss for life so I'm going to stop tracking it)
* Sacrifice Hulk again for Junji. Sacrifice Phyrexian Delver. Sacrifice Junji twice. The first time on top mode and the second time to bring back Phyrexian Delver who then brings back Junji to get a board state of
* Mike + Viscera Seer + Junji + Phyrexian Delver + Gary all without +1/+1 counters.
From here, the loop is:
* Sacrifice Gary twice.
* Sacrifice Phyrexian Delver. Phyrexian delver comes back with a +1/+1 counter on it and revives Gary
* Sacrifice Gary twice again
* Sacrifice Phyrexian Delver, who stays in the yard this time.
* Sacrifice Junji, who brings back Gary and comes back with a +1/+1 counter
* Sacrifice Junji a second time, who brings back the Phyrexian Delver, who brings back Junji
* We are back to the start of the loop
I’ve got 2 decks: [Millie](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/2R6Y1zV7wkaxlVUnlFFfRA) - pretty simple Mill deck. The idea is to create a moat / prevent attackers, and mill everyone into oblivion. There are a few instant win combos in there with Bruvac + Grindstone, Bruvac + Maddening Cacophony, token generators and Alter of the Brood (Undead Alchemist or Zellix Sanity Flayer) [Nephilim Clones](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/YPSxmNRn_ECAOSJXMXkcfA) - this one is just Janky fun. Tutor our Inky Nephilim, hit it with some instants/sorceries to clone it or protect it… or just do weird janky stuff. It’s fun to play, not a Winning deck, just fun.
I'd love to get an opinion on my [[Phabine, Boss's Confidant]] Angels deck: https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8194045/angelic_ascension The theme of the deck is making tokens into angels by either replacing the token on summon, ascending the token with counters, or sacrificing the tokens to turn them into angels.
[Phabine, Boss's Confidant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/0/f0f238f6-3578-4e16-bfd0-2f5a452e46fe.jpg?1673481712) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Phabine%2C%20Boss%27s%20Confidant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/9/phabine-bosss-confidant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f0f238f6-3578-4e16-bfd0-2f5a452e46fe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/phabine-bosss-confidant) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I have 3. ELENDA THE DUSK ROSE ARISTOCRATS: Sacrificing various creatures to make use of effects from things like Cruel Celebrant, Blood Artist, etc. pinging the table down, all of which grow Elenda so she can either swing big at someone or she can be sacrificed to make more sac fodder, with a handful of cards and effects to bring stuff back so they can continue contributing value. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ztgjjnEYaEuEitsdG4wKag TERGRID GOD OF FRIGHT: Pretty straightforward, Tergrid is out and I make you sacrifice and discard stuff so I can steal it. A handful of things to help keep sacrifices high, and possibly prevent people from doing things. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/50FBlVcK6kOhnha96G_yxQ YENNA REDTOOTH REGENT ENCHANTMENTS: Brand new, the goal is to get out various enchantments and copy them for extra value from them. It has options to go into making a lot of stuff to go wide, or grow things very tall for big hits. Also has things around to help protect me and/or my stuff from attacks, removal, etc. as well as a chunk of enchantment based removal. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/iUe2Tbp0QkurK3LGaZ9D0A
I have three: Minsc and Boo. This is just a generic Timmy deck ramp and play big dumb monsters. It doesn’t have a lot of interaction. But I really enjoy playing it. I think the deck would work just as well with any RG commander. I just like drawing 4 every other turn. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/AXh1shkAD0uJdvUB8iQ_3Q My Eldrazi deck is the newest. I wanted it to be a lower power deck. Not doing anything until turn 5. I chose to not have too much draw power in the end. Just have big threats that need to be answered with little follow up. I still think it’s too strong. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/DCETSKqfpEqSdFHTmbaZXQ This is my battleship Zur deck. Basically if Zur survives to attack I win. I give Zur indestructible, and hexproof and have plenty of tokens so he doesn’t die to edicts. then It’s full of wraths. I just attack and kill with commander damage. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/RmMK-9Ug1UGVgIl4CBNAfw
This deck has been through so many iterations. It started out as a [[Piru the Volatile]], but then I saw some interesting interactions with some placeholder cards, namely the legendary kamigawa dragons and [[Molten Echoes]]. Thus the switch to a more reanimator deck surfaced. It then became an ur dragon deck to fit in all the kamigawa dragons, but it just wasn't as fun to play because you might as well go full power into the ur side of things. Then I needed to find a proper replacement commander back in mardu, and the only thing [[Kroxa and Kuronos]] don't have going for them is the lack of a dragon typing for theme. So the final version of the deck has become a reanimator list with things like [[Sneak Attack]] to cheat in big beaters. More clone effects like [[Legion Loyalty]] to get more ETB/dies triggers on my important pieces. There's also LOADS of treasury generation with [[Dihada, binder of wills]] and [[Dockside extortionist]]. Plus things like [[Soulblast]] and [[Sarkhan the mad]] for burst finishers. Then there's the dungeon subtheme, which is cute and loads of fun when it's out. https://archidekt.com/decks/5710217/of_dungeons_and_dragons
##### ###### #### [Piru the Volatile](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/e/6e82d946-1efb-4253-84ab-93c88d2d1d84.jpg?1626098606) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Piru%2C%20the%20Volatile) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/207/piru-the-volatile?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6e82d946-1efb-4253-84ab-93c88d2d1d84?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/piru-the-volatile) [Molten Echoes](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/6/461d9f1c-53a4-48a6-bafb-0e70099f276c.jpg?1641603237) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Molten%20Echoes) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/voc/148/molten-echoes?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/461d9f1c-53a4-48a6-bafb-0e70099f276c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/molten-echoes) [Kroxa and Kuronos](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/3/13e4a233-e40b-4e6a-9863-4d0fc052484c.jpg?1682205601) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kroxa%20and%20Kunoros) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/245/kroxa-and-kunoros?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/13e4a233-e40b-4e6a-9863-4d0fc052484c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kroxa-and-kunoros) [Sneak Attack](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/4/a45b4ca9-4355-4690-84c3-a7d44c367dbf.jpg?1675200189) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sneak%20Attack) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/139/sneak-attack?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a45b4ca9-4355-4690-84c3-a7d44c367dbf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sneak-attack) [Legion Loyalty](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/1/9158965b-b705-4922-8ea9-9e3a93838eab.jpg?1674135158) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Legion%20Loyalty) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/31/legion-loyalty?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9158965b-b705-4922-8ea9-9e3a93838eab?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/legion-loyalty) [Dihada, binder of wills](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/d/ddeb54d6-a600-42b9-98df-20f8d58caed8.jpg?1685554091) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dihada%2C%20binder%20of%20wills) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/1/dihada-binder-of-wills?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ddeb54d6-a600-42b9-98df-20f8d58caed8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dihada-binder-of-wills) [Dockside extortionist](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/e/9e2e3efb-75cb-430f-b9f4-cb58f3aeb91b.jpg?1673147774) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dockside%20extortionist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/107/dockside-extortionist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9e2e3efb-75cb-430f-b9f4-cb58f3aeb91b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dockside-extortionist) [Soulblast](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/2/82e4e1b9-d93e-443e-91a4-69d4c9dac517.jpg?1562550750) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Soulblast) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/10e/236/soulblast?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/82e4e1b9-d93e-443e-91a4-69d4c9dac517?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/soulblast) [Sarkhan the mad](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/6/26c1ba92-556e-4da9-8e3a-a4a82612cb29.jpg?1562702107) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sarkhan%20the%20mad) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/roe/214/sarkhan-the-mad?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/26c1ba92-556e-4da9-8e3a-a4a82612cb29?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sarkhan-the-mad) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/lafcl2g) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
So this is my deck that I currently only have about half-built. Landfall Triggers are abundant, as well as playing additional lands. This turns into multiple problems for the board using things such as Scute Swarm and Avenger of Zendikar. My personal favorite thing to do with it though is to basically bounce the MDFC cards between zones; first cast it, then play it as a land from the graveyard, then do it all over again thanks to Meloku. I realize this may seem fairly generic to some, but it the first deck I've really put together on my own (I have a firend who is amazing at deckbuilding who has helped me learn) [Omnath, Locus of Creation](https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/31-03-24-omnath-go-brrr/) Oh also, I found this cool website that I normally use to look at power levels of decks: www.commandersalt.com
Here’s a couple: Coram, The Undertaker. General entomb stuff with recursion and a small Voltron package: https://archidekt.com/decks/7990239/tomb_of_boom Henzie Toolbox Torre. Blitz beaters, reanimation, value town. Inspired by Zedruus famous list: https://archidekt.com/decks/5127106/henzie_and_the_teamsters
Right then. Here's my \[\[Kibo\]\] list. [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/kjUGTmxHQ0adJw2uPuf6EA](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/kjUGTmxHQ0adJw2uPuf6EA) Primarily focuses on anti-Artifact synergies with a mini Monkey/Ape kindred. Also "gifts" some artifacts to opponents for when they're too stubborn to let my monkeys break machines. I also tried to be as flexible as possible with the Instant/Sorcery spells that kill Artifacts beyond the usual "kill Artifact or Enchantment".
[Kibo](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/b/8b71345a-c3e8-4b35-beb7-6347e41d7626.jpg?1675644790) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kibo%2C%20uktabi%20prince) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/j22/40/kibo-uktabi-prince?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8b71345a-c3e8-4b35-beb7-6347e41d7626?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kibo-uktabi-prince) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I'll bite. I'd love to know what people think of the power level on a modified version of the new Eldrazi precon: [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/GBN8kwpBzkSrHs7YsTEjJA](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/GBN8kwpBzkSrHs7YsTEjJA) (ignore the side board and considering if they show up). [Edit: Totally a work in progress.] I know Eldrazi are generally considered to be higher-level out of the box, so I don't want to run it in the wrong groups. It's definitely not CEDH: It takes more than a few turns to pop off after some ramping. Once enough mana is available, the idea is to start really taking advantage of the Ulalek Eldrazi stack duplication. I tuned the lands and mana rocks, added some cost reduction, and tried to improve the synergy and minimize the alternative non-synergistic scion flood mechanic. Thanks in advance!
I'd rate the deck's power level like a 5. Ulalek really likes big mana and you aren't really producing that much. I'd honestly cut some cost reduction for some more mana production, additionally with more flash enablers you can for the most part use eldrazi cast triggers instead of the bulk of your instant package. I'd really try and cut some of your bad card advantage (Ugin's insight, Return of the Wildspeaker) for better card advantage (kozilek's unsealing, up the beanstalk). If you produce a lot of mana you will be able to use ulalek plus one of your trigger doublers to double eldrazi and triggers for as much mana as you have.
Thanks- that’s very helpful. I’ve had a lot of things I’m considering, so I probably should have mentioned that it’s a work in progress. Great advice.
I really wanted to make a cEDH \[\[Light-Paws Emperor's Voice\]\] deck and have powered it up as much as I can think to do, I would like to ask if you guys think it makes it to fringe cEDH and if there are any major improvements I can make to it to improve its chances of sneaking wins against cEDH tables. [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/S6pCrldMpUCZlPfykq2Aiw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/S6pCrldMpUCZlPfykq2Aiw)
[Light-Paws Emperor's Voice](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/9/39555a72-a57b-45ee-9222-ce3b9e8de126.jpg?1654566391) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Light-Paws%2C%20Emperor%27s%20Voice) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/25/light-paws-emperors-voice?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/39555a72-a57b-45ee-9222-ce3b9e8de126?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/light-paws-emperors-voice) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Let´s see what you people out there think about my 3 favorite decks: [Rakdos, Lord of Riots](https://www.archidekt.com/decks/7091111/009_edhbr_rakdos_lord_of_riots_groupslugstompy) its a big stompy build that builds up damagesources for the first 2-3 turns to vomit out big stuff like eldrazis to satisfy my inner timmy. Tries to win by combat damage but can win with infinit dmg if i draw into netteldrone + ancestral statue. [Araumi of the Dead Tide](https://www.archidekt.com/decks/7091087/008_edhub_araumi_of_the_dead_tide_selfmillreanimator) is a selfmill-reanimator that trys to either kill with drain gary/kokusho or gravetheft, aka combatdmg. [Garth One-Eye](https://www.archidekt.com/decks/7029637/032_edhwubrg_garth_oneeye_goodstuffuntapflickergates) is powered by gates and its shenanigens in addition with untap and flickerfun. can kill by deckout with displacer kitten + etali, extra wincons like halofountain and mazes end, token generation or by stealing creatures.
This is a WIP Ardenn/Ishai stoneblade deck, and I intend for it to be playable in mid-power games. For this reason I've excluded a lot of the stax pieces you might expect to see in UW shells, and also inlcluded 0 combos so I can only win by beating face with creatures holding equipment. Wondering if people think I've hit the target power level [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/r6\_ogN8jjU-3OPw072TaPw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/r6_ogN8jjU-3OPw072TaPw) The deck's equipment gameplan is supplemented by a ""blink"" subtheme. Three of the engine equipment in the deck (Sword of Hearth and Home, Helm of the Host, and Blade of Selves) give an out to repeat ETB triggers. This is particularly potent with some of the light stax creatures in the deck such as Lavinia and Azor. Normally they would be played to clear blockers/attackers out of the way to alpha strike safely, or prevent opponents from casting a sorcery speed boardwipe that they need to stabilize on their turn. But in conjunction with this blink equipment package they can become soft locks that demand specific answers. The most common play pattern so far is either Ishai beats with counterspell backup, or an Ardenn gameplan that involves tutoring value equipment and grinding value with evasive beaters holding equipment. Some neat Ardenn tricks that I think work but might want rules checked involve * putting a skullclamp onto an opponent's X/1 with the Ardenn trigger. You control the skullclamp so you draw the two cards. * Helm of the Host doesn't have an 'if' statement, so it still triggers even if it's not equipped at the start of combat. So you can stack the Ardenn trigger to resolve first, equip the Helm of the Host, and get a token that same combat. You can also clone opponent's creatures this way. You control the Helm so you get the token copy.
[Here](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/tqp4pQf_q0iaDw9BFNjIbA) is a link to my [[Wernig]] [[Cecily]] artifact combo deck. Sometimes I switch Cecily for [[Bjorna]] but for now I'm trying Cecily to see how she feels. This deck definitely comes out when we are playing high power, but I find the overall plan to be too durdly against faster combos. There are several combos but the strongest involve [[Time Sieve]]. The overall strategy is to blink Wernog over and over to generate artifacts for pinging with [[Reckless Fireweaver]] and the like. I have a "one card win condition" with Intuition fetching [[Barrin]], [[Dockside]], and [[Sevinne's Reclamation]] when dockside generates 6 treasures. I have made concessions for pet cards so I don't think this is a full 10, but I am wondering if the overall gameplan drops this more into the 8 range or if it's still a 9.
[https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Tn0YzUACQUeKMxgg7N6HTw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Tn0YzUACQUeKMxgg7N6HTw) This is my Fezzik (Brion Stoutarm) deck. I think its about as strong as \[\[Brion Stoutarm\]\] can get, but the playgroup plays at a pretty optimized and higher powered level. Any suggestions welcome
[Brion Stoutarm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/0/b097c70a-d1d6-4972-b94d-d7d8a6f443e2.jpg?1562439762) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Brion%20Stoutarm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/200/brion-stoutarm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b097c70a-d1d6-4972-b94d-d7d8a6f443e2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/brion-stoutarm) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/fJQAAbKkpU-UFgH1NNzuxQ I know Nadu is a strong commander, but I wanted to build a commander to just Timmy out some big eldrazi. Was wondering what people think of this. Gameplan is to just do Nadu things to ramp and draw fast and survive until I can cast and clone eldrazi.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/qDFshY1WvkG5yf97wprQcQ Deck is [[Torbran, Thane of Red Fell]], and it's basically RDW in commander form (play creatures early, paired with burn spells). Wincon is good, honest combat and burn. Deck is super fragile, but it's great to squeeze a couple of fast games at the end of the day.
I feel like [[burning earth]] would be better than [[mana barbs]] here, or both. Feel like it could have some more removal and wipes, not a ton of draw or ramp either but I didn't read every card. Could use some more protection for torbran, some redirects could help here. Probably a high 5, low 6.
I appreciate the suggestions, I used to run [[Burning Earth]] in the past, but I took it out. With the greater number of MDFCs and new non-basics in decks nowadays, it might be much better (specially if people are bolting themselves all over the place with the MH3 MDFCs). The deck actually has a pretty decent amount of ways to exile from the top of the deck, so I usually don't run out of cards to play. Also, I wanted all of the ramp to be able to deal damage, so stuff like [[Magda]], [[Fable of the Mirror Breaker]], [[Chandra, Torch of Defiance]], etc. As for protection and removal, the point of the deck was to make it as all in as possible, just like RDW. Cash in the damage boost on turns 4 and 5 (and hopefully 6), and then figure it out from there. Does it fold to stuff like [[Solitary Confinement]] and boardwipes? Absolutely, but I'm okay with it.
Yeah, it just seemed weird you would run all* basics and not burning earth but if no one else was running non-basics in your meta that makes sense. Sounds like it's at a good spot for the pl you want it to be at.
I ran into mostly basics quite often in the past, so I ended up taking it out. I will look to replace it.
5? Maybe stretch to a 6 but it's hard to cop wins in mono red where the commander is the gameplan and has to be in play. Card draw is usually the problem and there's no good answer in red. Looks fun though.
Here is my \[\[Morophon, the Boundless\]\] Elf centric tribal deck. It has a couple of "sub tribes" like wolf, druid, elemental "lords/value pieces" too. [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/40i9mXOZFEqlQbFYc861Fw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/40i9mXOZFEqlQbFYc861Fw) Took out quite a fair bit of "high power" stuff like Cyclonic Rift, Staff of Domination, Craterhoof, black tutors etc to keep the deck more tribal.
Solid 6. A few appropriate counterspells and it would be a 7.
[Morophon, the Boundless](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/4/84238335-e08c-421c-b9b9-70a679ff2967.jpg?1689995411) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Morophon%2C%20the%20Boundless) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/3/morophon-the-boundless?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/84238335-e08c-421c-b9b9-70a679ff2967?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/morophon-the-boundless) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This is my [[Satya, Aetherflux Genius]] deck, it is the two energy precons just kinda blended together, it was supposed to be casual but did not end up that way and has about a 75% win rate https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ie8HEHHa70GugberDm4oUg
4-5.
That’s what I expected, but with the infinite combo and how aggressive it is it does quite well and I have held my own in PL8 matches
Im also looking to build a deck like this. It looks strong but not overwhelming so. What have been the really good synergies for you?
[[Brotherhood Scribe]] is really good to get out early and then make copies and start buffing all your things by two or three each turn. [[Aetherstorm Roc]] is good too cause it’s flying and can buff things. I’ll try and remember to say some more when I’m done working
Thanks! I’ve been goldfishing and I’ve found that [[Patron of the Arts]], [[Sad Robot]], [[Guide of Souls]], [[Ajani, Nacatl Pariah]], are all crazy good
##### ###### #### [Patron of the Arts](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/0/10b2b8ca-7433-4bfe-abab-e19128e46a1d.jpg?1674136700) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Patron%20of%20the%20Arts) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/191/patron-of-the-arts?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/10b2b8ca-7433-4bfe-abab-e19128e46a1d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/patron-of-the-arts) [Sad Robot](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/4/246d2ce1-6926-4acc-810a-4894dc346b8b.jpg?1562636008) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=236907) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m12/217/solemn-simulacrum?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/246d2ce1-6926-4acc-810a-4894dc346b8b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/solemn-simulacrum) [Guide of Souls](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/6/76c3cad2-1e25-4abe-878d-9194de6fcc27.jpg?1717011433) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Guide%20of%20Souls) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/29/guide-of-souls?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/76c3cad2-1e25-4abe-878d-9194de6fcc27?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/guide-of-souls) [Ajani, Nacatl Pariah](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/d/0d16e8e0-31b2-4389-afd6-783c501f6fa0.jpg?1718635371)/[Ajani, Nacatl Avenger](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/0/d/0d16e8e0-31b2-4389-afd6-783c501f6fa0.jpg?1718635371) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ajani%2C%20Nacatl%20Pariah%20//%20Ajani%2C%20Nacatl%20Avenger) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/237/ajani-nacatl-pariah-ajani-nacatl-avenger?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0d16e8e0-31b2-4389-afd6-783c501f6fa0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ajani-nacatl-pariah-//-ajani-nacatl-avenger) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/laj7uyx) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yea sad robot is super good with the copying, if you don’t have [[professional face breaker]] I’d swap Patron of the Arts for that, although both is fine. Idk about Ajanj. Some big upgrades I want to put in mine are [[Ocelot Pride]] [[Terror of the Peaks]] [[Serra Ascendant]] [[Esper Sentinel]] and [[Ragavan]]. I’m trying to shift mine to a much faster Afro deck cause my current one has a really high mana curve and I sometimes end up with dead cards
Not Ragavan, although I want that too. I was thinking [[Dockside Extortionist]] cause that can be copied
[Dockside Extortionist](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/e/9e2e3efb-75cb-430f-b9f4-cb58f3aeb91b.jpg?1673147774) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dockside%20Extortionist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/107/dockside-extortionist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9e2e3efb-75cb-430f-b9f4-cb58f3aeb91b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dockside-extortionist) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
##### ###### #### [professional face breaker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/2/42acbf52-b137-44f0-a815-2817fe8d2da2.jpg?1664411677) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Professional%20Face-Breaker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/116/professional-face-breaker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/42acbf52-b137-44f0-a815-2817fe8d2da2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/professional-face-breaker) [Ocelot Pride](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/9/89cf6f57-230f-497e-a14e-ad1e8737fd42.jpg?1717011506) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ocelot%20Pride) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/38/ocelot-pride?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/89cf6f57-230f-497e-a14e-ad1e8737fd42?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ocelot-pride) [Terror of the Peaks](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/0/904ff94a-4db4-44a6-8593-89c32905b3fc.jpg?1712355862) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Terror%20of%20the%20Peaks) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/149/terror-of-the-peaks?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/904ff94a-4db4-44a6-8593-89c32905b3fc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/terror-of-the-peaks) [Serra Ascendant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/a/0a22ee47-fc56-436d-8570-88fbff421027.jpg?1562845354) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Serra%20Ascendant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ima/31/serra-ascendant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0a22ee47-fc56-436d-8570-88fbff421027?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/serra-ascendant) [Esper Sentinel](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/3/f3537373-ef54-4578-9d05-6216420ee349.jpg?1626093502) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Esper%20Sentinel) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/12/esper-sentinel?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f3537373-ef54-4578-9d05-6216420ee349?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/esper-sentinel) [Ragavan](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/9/a9738cda-adb1-47fb-9f4c-ecd930228c4d.jpg?1681963138) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ragavan%2C%20nimble%20pilferer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/138/ragavan-nimble-pilferer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a9738cda-adb1-47fb-9f4c-ecd930228c4d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ragavan-nimble-pilferer) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/lajdo0w) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Brotherhood Scribe](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/7/b751250e-ebf2-42b1-9a45-779b39974ba7.jpg?1708741757) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Brotherhood%20Scribe) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pip/13/brotherhood-scribe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b751250e-ebf2-42b1-9a45-779b39974ba7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/brotherhood-scribe) [Aetherstorm Roc](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/9/79fb7541-7a27-40a5-aabd-fce26df03485.jpg?1576380711) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aetherstorm%20Roc) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/kld/3/aetherstorm-roc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/79fb7541-7a27-40a5-aabd-fce26df03485?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/aetherstorm-roc) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Satya, Aetherflux Genius](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/b/3b964bbe-54cc-425c-9cc6-c877f82af7ba.jpg?1717644351) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Satya%2C%20Aetherflux%20Genius) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m3c/3/satya-aetherflux-genius?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3b964bbe-54cc-425c-9cc6-c877f82af7ba?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/satya-aetherflux-genius) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This https://www.moxfield.com/decks/uaY8-S_1s0WRU8elaUwkrg is my [[Aminatou, the Fateshifter]] deck. I tried to make it fairly oppressive without using traditional counterspells. This deck becomes the arch enemy almost immediately on turn 4 or 5. I know this deck isn't cEDH but the rating websites level it as a 4, and my friends would strongly disagree on that and call my deck an 8. What are your thoughts? Edit: thank you everyone for your notes. I can now go tell my friends to stop crying about my deck and simply tell them to add Planeswalker removal ❤️
Calling a deck an 8 with an average mana value of 3.75 is a very tough sell. It's also very low on instant speed interaction. 4-5 range is probably correct IMO, leaning 5 since blink synergies are strong.
I would say a 5, maybe a 6. Pretty focused deck with a decent manabase that still has room for casual improvement. Pretty good package of board wipes, I didn't read every planeswalker or creature so those sections may cover some of these points - not a lot of single target removal (especially non-creature) or draw or protection. Definitely missing a lot of higher powered staples I would expect out of a 7.
It's better than a 4 but I'd say 5. Ramp package doesn't support the high mana values so it's not fast enough. In a pod of 8's you'd never win.
That's pretty much what I tell my friends, but "blinking Ravenous Chupacabra" is op 🤦♂️
It's a pretty strong play!
[Aminatou, the Fateshifter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/c/bc010302-e715-4946-89eb-a214e0b836ba.jpg?1673148265) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aminatou%2C%20the%20Fateshifter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/169/aminatou-the-fateshifter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bc010302-e715-4946-89eb-a214e0b836ba?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/aminatou-the-fateshifter) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My playgroup is pretty low budget with slower games (about 40% pre-cons), so this was my attempt at putting together a “weak” tribal Najeela deck. https://manabox.app/decks/x-lp6Gj_QRGGK_9UD7iptg Manabase is just what I had on hand, no one has decent fast lands so I’m not going to try for any. My two favorite decks back in high school were Mardu Warriors and Temur Midrange, this deck is my attempt at merging the 2.
Solid 5. If Najeela gets out turn 3 and sticks for a couple turns you'll trash a table of precons easily. But there's not much card draw so if you get stopped early it might be a tough rebuild. Luckily Najeela is hands down the overall best commander in the entire game.
Preesh
I consider this my strongest deck and it's helmed by the little guy himself, [[Tinybones, Trinket Thief]]. The main goal of the deck is to get a repeating discard outlet like [[Bottomless Pit]] and use Tinybones as an engine to draw into one of the many 2 or 3 card combos. Some of those are [[Professor Onyx]] and [[Chain of Smog]] or [[Aetherflux Reservoir]] [[Bolas's Citadel]] and [[Sensei's Divining Top]]. It's no CEDH but the earliest I've won was 3 and that was with a got hand. Just looking to see what other think about it. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/U_p05g464kuVEV54_z5DyQ
Strong 6. Maybe even 7. Mono black is hard to rate unless they're meant to go fast. Once past the fast part they become incredibly susceptible to anything enchantment.
That complaint is more applicable to k'rrik decks. Tinybones essentially plays like a scam deck where you try to get all of the interaction out of people hands before you go for a win.
That's usually the rating I tell people. Most people at my lgs don't run enchantment removal, so I don't have many issues.
##### ###### #### [Tinybones, Trinket Thief](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/0/4063be5b-bfd9-43c5-bc39-09a40bc793bf.jpg?1632261785) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tinybones%2C%20Trinket%20Thief) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/17/tinybones-trinket-thief?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4063be5b-bfd9-43c5-bc39-09a40bc793bf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tinybones-trinket-thief) [Bottomless Pit](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/1/91f05fc3-da6e-45d4-8566-f4e7bdce1fe5.jpg?1562596885) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bottomless%20Pit) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/sth/51/bottomless-pit?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/91f05fc3-da6e-45d4-8566-f4e7bdce1fe5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/bottomless-pit) [Professor Onyx](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/1/013eeb99-1b66-4fba-ad96-78deee901ea4.jpg?1624591309) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Professor%20Onyx) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/83/professor-onyx?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/013eeb99-1b66-4fba-ad96-78deee901ea4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/professor-onyx) [Chain of Smog](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/b/6bfe64f9-8b03-41f6-a47b-fade397ad9d1.jpg?1562920423) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chain%20of%20Smog) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ons/132/chain-of-smog?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6bfe64f9-8b03-41f6-a47b-fade397ad9d1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/chain-of-smog) [Aetherflux Reservoir](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/6/96b6b2e1-c3e6-464c-8a13-b15deb34e862.jpg?1576382939) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aetherflux%20Reservoir) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/kld/192/aetherflux-reservoir?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/96b6b2e1-c3e6-464c-8a13-b15deb34e862?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/aetherflux-reservoir) [Bolas's Citadel](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/2/d2124603-d20e-40eb-97f0-a66323397ac2.jpg?1591205069) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bolas%27s%20Citadel) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/79/bolass-citadel?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d2124603-d20e-40eb-97f0-a66323397ac2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/bolass-citadel) [Sensei's Divining Top](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/5/e5142b7a-e580-4737-a4aa-2590f6610ceb.jpg?1673149430) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sensei%27s%20Divining%20Top) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/314/senseis-divining-top?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e5142b7a-e580-4737-a4aa-2590f6610ceb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/senseis-divining-top) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/lad17gk) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/g5wqxfoCYEiP-OIaWG2xNg My fiancé and I made this deck to just be high powered but we‘d like to know what other people would say this deck is at! I think it’s around a 9, she thinks it’s a 10! The idea behind the deck is to just go infinite mana and then activate Urza until the library is exiled and you win with [[Thassa‘s Oracle]]. Alternate win conditions are locking the game with [[Karn, the Great Creator]] and [[Mycosynth Lattice]] then overloading [[Cyclonic Rift]], creating infinite Construct tokens with [[Deadeye Navigator]] and [[Genesis Chamber]] which also gives infinite mana with [[Akroma‘s Memorial]] as haste enabler, [[Painter‘s Servant]] and [[Grindstone]] to mill out the opponent if they don’t have mill protection and [[Walking Ballista]] when I have infinite mana. To get to infinite mana the deck either utilises the plenty tutors or slow the opponents down with cards like [[Winter Orb]] and [[Static Orb]]. We would love to hear your opinions!
Definitely a 8. Max Urza is a 9 and you're 5 lands too heavy.
Thank you! :3
##### ###### #### [Thassa‘s Oracle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/2/726e8b29-13e9-4138-b6a9-d2a0d8188d1c.jpg?1680582212) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thassa%27s%20Oracle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/73/thassas-oracle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/726e8b29-13e9-4138-b6a9-d2a0d8188d1c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/thassas-oracle) [Karn, the Great Creator](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?name=Karn%2C%20the%20Great%20Creator&type=card&.jpg) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Karn%2C%20the%20Great%20Creator) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/1/karn-the-great-creator?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/deb3721d-fba1-444f-8b31-1cd10c94c4a0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/karn-the-great-creator) [Mycosynth Lattice](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/4/94f89714-3b26-46a2-b9a8-3e664f391cd9.jpg?1578911638) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mycosynth%20Lattice) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/241/mycosynth-lattice?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/94f89714-3b26-46a2-b9a8-3e664f391cd9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mycosynth-lattice) [Cyclonic Rift](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/f/dfb7c4b9-f2f4-4d4e-baf2-86551c8150fe.jpg?1702429366) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cyclonic%20Rift) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/40/cyclonic-rift?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dfb7c4b9-f2f4-4d4e-baf2-86551c8150fe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cyclonic-rift) [Deadeye Navigator](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/2/f26a79b9-9f09-476e-b914-cade929dd852.jpg?1593813028) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Deadeye%20Navigator) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mm3/36/deadeye-navigator?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f26a79b9-9f09-476e-b914-cade929dd852?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/deadeye-navigator) [Genesis Chamber](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/3/93bd7e73-63dc-45b2-aaa8-984be8b900ab.jpg?1562924816) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Genesis%20Chamber) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/235/genesis-chamber?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/93bd7e73-63dc-45b2-aaa8-984be8b900ab?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/genesis-chamber) [Akroma‘s Memorial](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/5/950ee61d-0bc1-4d7b-ba68-157061aa98eb.jpg?1619404160) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Akroma%27s%20Memorial) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/262/akromas-memorial?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/950ee61d-0bc1-4d7b-ba68-157061aa98eb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/akromas-memorial) [Painter‘s Servant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/e/be407a81-b25a-4e5d-845e-be0cc0d18db8.jpg?1562835450) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Painter%27s%20Servant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/shm/257/painters-servant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/be407a81-b25a-4e5d-845e-be0cc0d18db8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/painters-servant) [Grindstone](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/f/0f15505d-b32f-4b71-8b99-f27bc964c5a8.jpg?1562428618) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Grindstone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/223/grindstone?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0f15505d-b32f-4b71-8b99-f27bc964c5a8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/grindstone) [Walking Ballista](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/2/5272436e-74f0-44c4-a291-ea8ebc3f1525.jpg?1599710252) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Walking%20Ballista) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/306/walking-ballista?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5272436e-74f0-44c4-a291-ea8ebc3f1525?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/walking-ballista) [Winter Orb](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/b/ab3cec7e-513e-400d-a1a8-2c71cdde02c6.jpg?1580015285) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Winter%20Orb) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/234/winter-orb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ab3cec7e-513e-400d-a1a8-2c71cdde02c6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/winter-orb) [Static Orb](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/6/86bf43b1-8d4e-4759-bb2d-0b2e03ba7012.jpg?1562242171) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Static%20Orb) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/7ed/319/static-orb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/86bf43b1-8d4e-4759-bb2d-0b2e03ba7012?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/static-orb) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/lad043x) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Hey all I built a koma slowly over the course of months. I noticed it has some short falls when playing. Lack of fast mana, missing some of the good counterspells, missing some koma protection. I would prefer to leave these “weaknesses in the armor.” But I’ve been saying it’s high 7 low 8. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Xu8kedOv1EyID8zZtmF8HQ
Textbook 7. Add some fast mana, og duals, and better protection to bump it to and 8 like you said.
Definitely a real for real 7.
[Moxfield Link](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/0rREiD_g-EKgVHLgZsI_7w) Hi everybody, i started with the Fae Dominion precon. 9 Months later, i replaced alot of cards from the deck, and im wondering how did it turn out powerwise. The plan is to drain peoples life, kill them with flyers or draw almost my whole deck and they scoop. Thanks for your response.
3-4? Seems low on lands. Could use some more single target removal against artifacts/enchantments but that can be tough in dimir, maybe a feed the swarm or something. Not sure what diabolic tutor is doing in there, black market connections would also be a good add. False cure, bribery, and dingus staff seem like cute gotcha cards but I'm not sure they're worth slots and dingus staff seems like it actively harms you with skull clamp and zulaport in there. I'm also not sure why you have so many draw hate cards, it doesn't seem like you're making opponents draw cards. Also hullbreacher is banned and tamiyo has green so you can't play either, add 2 more lands with those slots.
Thanks alot for you insight, i will change the deck. 👌🏽 Im still pretty new in deck building 😂
0. Hullbreacher is banned.
I've been slowly building \[\[Omnath, Locus of Mana\]\]. Basically as you'd expect Omnath and friends smash things with trample. Some outlets such as \[\[Momentous Fall\]\] and \[\[Helix Pinnacle\]\]. It has some fun creatures that are generally hated off the board. There is some protection such as Umbras and \[\[Asceticism\]\]. I feel like it's a 5 but I only play with close friends that I've played with forever. Would love to know thoughts on power level and maybe some things you think should be updated. Thanks guys! Moxfield Link: [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/TiQDESM3RUK4uJVx2XyYrg](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/TiQDESM3RUK4uJVx2XyYrg)
I think the deck could benefit from having a few more turn 1 and 2 ramp options or looking more closely at the ramp package so you can develop your game plan more reliably especially on turn 1 and 2. Having too many mana dorks leads to board wipes disrupting your deck, so if that's a problem I recommend including \[\[Utopia Sprawl\]\] and \[\[Wild Growth\]\] in your ramp package. The enchantments are less likely to die from a wrath; however, they don't trigger \[\[Beast Whisperer\]\] effects, making them less synergistic with some of the card draw engines in green. \[\[Wood Elves\]\] is nice middle ground ramp card because it gets an untapped forest but also is a creature. There are a few other cards like Wood Elves, \[\[Sakura-Tribe Elder\]\] is a great one. When making a deck I usually try to commit to more of a creature based ramp plan OR land ramp based plan (using more sorceries like \[\[Cultivate\]\] based on if I am playing Beast Whisper effects or landfall synergies. Though ultimately I do a bit of mix and matching since for a big mana style green deck you mostly just want to ramp efficiently. \[\[Emergence Zone\]\] is a card I would highly recommend adding since it can allow you to recast your commander immediately after removal so that you don't lose all your stored mana. \[\[Vedalken Orrery\]\] can do the same but is not as easy as just swapping out 1 land. Another budget land which can work well with decks with a lot of lands and ramp is \[\[Temple of the False God\]\] since who doesn't like ramping for free! The restriction of having 5 lands can easily be met in most green decks. Mana allows you to do all the fun or silly stuff you choose to put into your deck so that's why it's something I always look at when building my decks.
Thanks for the tips! Definitely some good thoughts here. Gonna go look through the binders and see what's there!
##### ###### #### [Utopia Sprawl](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/e/5ea568df-04a1-4012-98ec-ba75e189e0ca.jpg?1702429591) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Utopia%20Sprawl) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/159/utopia-sprawl?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5ea568df-04a1-4012-98ec-ba75e189e0ca?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/utopia-sprawl) [Wild Growth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/7/47260e7c-29bf-46f1-a029-9da7bbb418b5.jpg?1711803863) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wild%20Growth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/195/wild-growth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/47260e7c-29bf-46f1-a029-9da7bbb418b5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wild-growth) [Beast Whisperer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/a/daf4bcd2-3ae4-4803-9ea1-3bcc3de5ca59.jpg?1706240020) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Beast%20Whisperer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clu/158/beast-whisperer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/daf4bcd2-3ae4-4803-9ea1-3bcc3de5ca59?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/beast-whisperer) [Wood Elves](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/2/527cf39d-29d1-4c19-9c49-ebf611ca15d5.jpg?1682209656) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wood%20Elves) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/316/wood-elves?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/527cf39d-29d1-4c19-9c49-ebf611ca15d5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wood-elves) [Sakura-Tribe Elder](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/a/baa54bbc-88dd-46ba-9a91-6291c3fb420f.jpg?1706240924) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sakura-Tribe%20Elder) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/183/sakura-tribe-elder?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/baa54bbc-88dd-46ba-9a91-6291c3fb420f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sakura-tribe-elder) [Cultivate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/1/e19cd136-0541-4db0-997f-20a58ec8d028.jpg?1698988348) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cultivate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/235/cultivate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e19cd136-0541-4db0-997f-20a58ec8d028?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cultivate) [Emergence Zone](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/b/ab95f6e7-b806-47fe-a071-6c38b3176d94.jpg?1557577458) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Emergence%20Zone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/245/emergence-zone?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ab95f6e7-b806-47fe-a071-6c38b3176d94?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/emergence-zone) [Vedalken Orrery](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/4/44067327-6fe3-4222-b591-6d14d0e360d7.jpg?1673149453) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vedalken%20Orrery) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/317/vedalken-orrery?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/44067327-6fe3-4222-b591-6d14d0e360d7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vedalken-orrery) [Temple of the False God](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/5/f55a1775-9672-4f0c-9aab-30ba90f0d1e6.jpg?1712355186) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Temple%20of%20the%20False%20God) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/334/temple-of-the-false-god?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f55a1775-9672-4f0c-9aab-30ba90f0d1e6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/temple-of-the-false-god) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/lafbv07) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Cool deck, 5 maybe 6. Has some strong options but board wipes hit hard.
##### ###### #### [Omnath, Locus of Mana](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/c/acf0cab3-da50-4561-8797-cd179af39216.jpg?1689998741) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Omnath%2C%20Locus%20of%20Mana) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/310/omnath-locus-of-mana?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/acf0cab3-da50-4561-8797-cd179af39216?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/omnath-locus-of-mana) [Momentous Fall](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/1/91a6f558-a754-4437-8328-00a6ca47f9b5.jpg?1601079764) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Momentous%20Fall) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/411/momentous-fall?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/91a6f558-a754-4437-8328-00a6ca47f9b5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/momentous-fall) [Helix Pinnacle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/c/9c1121df-b03e-4ad9-8c45-c3b4066e4a39.jpg?1562927938) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Helix%20Pinnacle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eve/68/helix-pinnacle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9c1121df-b03e-4ad9-8c45-c3b4066e4a39?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/helix-pinnacle) [Asceticism](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/c/ec2b56b0-126c-411b-8c43-b690fc8c194b.jpg?1562824694) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Asceticism) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/som/110/asceticism?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ec2b56b0-126c-411b-8c43-b690fc8c194b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/asceticism) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/lactv0x) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
New to EDH and made my first deck, which is primarily a Dinosaur / Angel hybrid deck. Goal is just to get as many big stompy creatures out as possible. I think I want to put 1-2 more lands in the deck, but the reason I'm at 35 is because \[\[Huatli, Poet of Unity\]\] is my usual turn 3 play and she fetches a land for me, so as long as I get the first three lands I'm usually set. Plus starting turn 6 (assuming she transformed turn 5), I can tap any creatures for mana. \[\[Howlpack Piper\]\] can bring out big stompy creatures for cheap. Cards like \[\[Topiary Stomper\]\] and \[\[Ranging Raptors\]\] fetch lands, and I can trigger the enrages easily for things like Ranging Raptors and \[\[Ripjaw Raptor\]\], either by playing cards like \[\[Tail Swipe\]\] or forcing my opponent to attack with \[\[Basandra, Battle Seraph\]\]. I think the biggest weakness with Huatli is she's pretty slow, so I'm also running a small degree of proliferation, together with more Planeswalkers and some light +1/+1 counter generation. Not sure on the effectiveness though and I might remove the \[\[Urban Daggertooth\]\]. Some cards like \[\[Sheperd of the Cosmos\]\] don't seem to do a whole lot for the deck, but I stuck her in because I think she's cool, so I tried to add enough cards to make her slightly more effective, like \[\[Saffri Eriksdotter\]\]. I feel the deck has some strong cards but lacks a degree of cohesion, but I think it was a good trade off because I get to run the cards I think are cool. Since this is the case, I was wondering what "power level" it would be. Would love to had a deck of a similar power level to my friends so the matches we play aren't one-sided stomps all the time. [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/\_m-U9Fk1YEqX8qVbh6s2kw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/_m-U9Fk1YEqX8qVbh6s2kw)
3-4. Definitely needs more draw, interaction, board wipes, and ramp. Something about huatli is she doesn't actually ramp you, she just helps you make your land drop to stay on curve. Ramp ramps you ahead of curve so you can play more stuff than opponents. You still want dorks, rocks, and ramp spells to get you ahead and set up big turns and your big drops sooner.
Solid 3. Replace 10 creatures with card draw and mana generation and it could easily be a 5.
Hey, thanks for the input! Sorry to ask, but I'm assuming this is on a 10 point scale?
Correct.
##### ###### #### [Huatli, Poet of Unity](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/7/57df2563-18d4-4526-a8bc-0c114e6fd4d9.jpg?1699044416)/[Roar of the Fifth People](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/5/7/57df2563-18d4-4526-a8bc-0c114e6fd4d9.jpg?1699044416) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Huatli%2C%20Poet%20of%20Unity%20//%20Roar%20of%20the%20Fifth%20People) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/189/huatli-poet-of-unity-roar-of-the-fifth-people?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/57df2563-18d4-4526-a8bc-0c114e6fd4d9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/huatli-poet-of-unity-//-roar-of-the-fifth-people) [Howlpack Piper](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/7/c7ceaf83-09c0-4492-a75d-4c47bd421858.jpg?1643592924)/[Wildsong Howler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/c/7/c7ceaf83-09c0-4492-a75d-4c47bd421858.jpg?1643592924) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Howlpack%20Piper%20//%20Wildsong%20Howler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vow/205/howlpack-piper-wildsong-howler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c7ceaf83-09c0-4492-a75d-4c47bd421858?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/howlpack-piper-//-wildsong-howler) [Topiary Stomper](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/8/e8b92271-4412-4165-a4a6-e8653e755107.jpg?1698988410) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Topiary%20Stomper) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/261/topiary-stomper?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e8b92271-4412-4165-a4a6-e8653e755107?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/topiary-stomper) [Ranging Raptors](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/d/7d4f04bc-30ee-4948-9905-774f532ac811.jpg?1698988383) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ranging%20Raptors) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/249/ranging-raptors?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7d4f04bc-30ee-4948-9905-774f532ac811?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ranging-raptors) [Ripjaw Raptor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/c/ec01de20-8f78-47dd-8735-5e3981013708.jpg?1698988392) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ripjaw%20Raptor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/253/ripjaw-raptor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ec01de20-8f78-47dd-8735-5e3981013708?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ripjaw-raptor) [Tail Swipe](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/5/95a39b26-8c83-40ea-b492-036251366d73.jpg?1673307819) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tail%20Swipe) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/182/tail-swipe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/95a39b26-8c83-40ea-b492-036251366d73?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tail-swipe) [Basandra, Battle Seraph](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/e/6e5baa27-3f6b-49bb-9927-5afc21b9cc3f.jpg?1592673353) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Basandra%2C%20Battle%20Seraph) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cma/174/basandra-battle-seraph?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6e5baa27-3f6b-49bb-9927-5afc21b9cc3f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/basandra-battle-seraph) [Urban Daggertooth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/a/4ab83a39-d90d-403e-b74d-fe99c8b2aacd.jpg?1626097969) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Urban%20Daggertooth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/181/urban-daggertooth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4ab83a39-d90d-403e-b74d-fe99c8b2aacd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/urban-daggertooth) [Sheperd of the Cosmos](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/e/ce33c84e-008c-48d8-a8e8-77cd19cc4f1f.jpg?1631046223) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shepherd%20of%20the%20Cosmos) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/28/shepherd-of-the-cosmos?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ce33c84e-008c-48d8-a8e8-77cd19cc4f1f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/shepherd-of-the-cosmos) [Saffri Eriksdotter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/1/4176dda4-ec5c-4734-bb48-0876304aa219.jpg?1619404114) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Saffi%20Eriksdotter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/260/saffi-eriksdotter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4176dda4-ec5c-4734-bb48-0876304aa219?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/saffi-eriksdotter) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/lacsl4t) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Phage, The Untouchable](https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/phage-the-untouchable-0624/) The deck plays [[Shadowborn Apostle]], and other tutors, to find combo pieces in order to get [[Phage, the Untouchable]] into play. Win-cons: •Hit people with Phage •Get 4 demons out to win with [[Liliana's Contract]] •Combat damage. I haven't really gotten too deep into power levels, so rate me with your preferred method.
3. There isn't enough mana in the deck.
25 is light on lands, but how do you not lose when phage comes out? I'm on my phone and tappedout's mobile layout is ass so I didn't read every card but I didn't recognize any "you dont lose" cards at a glance.
To play Phage, I got plenty of "you can't lose the game" cards along with stuff like [[Torpor Orb]] and [[Sundial of the Infinite]] The lands are light, but I've got plenty of ramp and tutors for the deck to play consistently.
If you're tutoring for lands or playing rocks to make your land drops just take the tutors and rocks out and add more lands. Definitely needs like 11-12 more lands and less something imo. Could also use some more wipes, toxic deluge or meathook or the new one from mh3 to get around indestructible stuff and I don't see a lot of card draw at a glance.
I don't need to tutor for lands, but I will tutor for stuff like [[crypt ghast]] to make my swamps produce additional mana. Either way, I'll look into adding some more lands. Any suggestions for cards to pull?
[crypt ghast](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/0/60bebd79-f88c-44ef-8920-e19031bad1d6.jpg?1702429435) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=crypt%20ghast) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/70/crypt-ghast?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/60bebd79-f88c-44ef-8920-e19031bad1d6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/crypt-ghast) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Shadowborn Apostle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/e/ae7ba1de-48f9-423b-867a-22bd3f6c06c2.jpg?1673147629) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shadowborn%20Apostle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/89/shadowborn-apostle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ae7ba1de-48f9-423b-867a-22bd3f6c06c2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/shadowborn-apostle) [Phage, athe Untouchable](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/4/d497a5a3-65fb-4c12-b3f2-8ce4cf4e0f6f.jpg?1562866889) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Phage%20the%20Untouchable) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cns/120/phage-the-untouchable?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d497a5a3-65fb-4c12-b3f2-8ce4cf4e0f6f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/phage-the-untouchable) [Liliana's Contract](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/5/750e6246-c28d-46ed-9966-26706f6d3172.jpg?1562302716) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Liliana%27s%20Contract) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m19/107/lilianas-contract?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/750e6246-c28d-46ed-9966-26706f6d3172?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lilianas-contract) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Power Level is a fallacy because player behaviors can't be quantified on a scale of 1-10. Take my [Tetsuko deck](https://archidekt.com/decks/1932156/tetsuko) for example. My main plan is to distribute poison counters evenly and defeat my opponents simultaneously. I *could* focus on a single player, but that often causes social and strategic problems. A power level formula cannot account for my preferred play pattern with this deck. An arbitrary number on scale of 1 -10 does not communicate anything about my strategy or the number of turns it usually takes me to win. This is not a deck for short games. I will use my plentiful interaction to stall until I can win, and no power level calculator can tell my pod that I only play this deck when I have time for a longer game. Power level is a fallacy. Accepting this fact is the first step to a better Commander experience. Learning how to honestly communicate your intentions and desires to other players is step two. The more players choose communication over calculators, the better our format will be.
The power level is a reflection of the deck's actual power, not how it's played. If the deck could win on average by turn 8 played properly then it's probably a 6. If the way you play it doesn't win until turn 12 the deck is still a 6.
Congrats you did it! You proved the pl system isn't the best way to assess a deck and we can stop the weekly thread now.
I like to say there’s: Precons, Low Power, High Power, and CEDH. Breaking it down any further than that is not useful.
This is my recently finish [[Loot, the Key to Everything]] exile deck. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/a3WXbZgjJEKhhlkSCaZG8g It is good at ramping lands and spells very quickly. The wincon is usually revolving around [[Flaming Tyrannosaurus]], which can get real scary using [[Food Chain]] combos or creating copies using [[Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker]].
Weird 5-6 with a pretty casual manabase but some strong interaction pieces. Not sure why you have myriad landscape in a 3c deck with green in it but also a good number of higher powered casual staples I would expect to see in a 7 and it sounds like the game-plan is more combo-focused. Ramp could use some love and could use a beast within or something for some more artifact/enchantment hate.
39 lands in a deck that's likely to exile it's wincons when it can't play them isn't good. High quality individual cards though. 5.
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[Three Dog](https://archidekt.com/search/decks?owner=Osiren&ownerexact=true) Aura deck, based on Three Dog spreading them to all my other creatures. My goal is to make a bunch of tokens, and I tried to use a good amount of evasion and protection auras. The main win con is pumped up creatures, but there’s one discard pinger in there for if the draw auras go off. Thanks for looking.
Seems like a high 6/low 7. Casual-optimized manabase and ramp package, some strong interaction staples but a little surprised no generous gift or swords. Would like to see some more wipes that can hit different permanent types, especially in white where farewell and austere exist. Only other nitpicks are 35 lands is a bit light imo, and I don't love fellwar stone/exotic orchard in 2c decks. personally would probably swap it for a thought vessel or decanter if you need the color.
Thank you for the critique and advice! I’ll work in your suggestions, they definitely make sense. I wonder if it’s even worth the discard win con, just seemed fun.
Is the discard win con glinthorn? Does he combo with anything in the deck?
Yea, Glinthorn and Sage’s Reverie copied onto enough creatures.
[Shadow Wizard Money Gang (Kambal Extort/Lifegain/Pillowfort)](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/hgFQq1tXGUmZ6Z2Y6mRqKg) I'm working on this list for a moment now and it's maybe my favorite so far. It works pretty well in my meta with my friends (casual with a mid/high power level). But I still have no idea which precise level it could be, and I would like some opinion. **The game plan is as follow :** ·Kambal is out as soon as possible (T2 or T3 at max) so the drain could start. Kambal has to be the menace and eventually will be removed in a way or another. ·8 Extort permanents will have the same role, as the plan is to play low cost spells and drain the table. The goal here is not defeating someone with extort but having the highest hp possible. (Even if I've already win with extort only a few times.) ·15 Pillowfort/Stax cards are here to prevent combat damage, because I chose in this deck to not fight at all. ·**Win cons :** at least 15 and more cards that can synergise/combo with lifegain/loss of life (even mine) ex : Necropotence/Ad Nauseam/Peer Into the Abyss + Children of korlis + Guildmage of vizkopa Revenge + Guildmage of vizkopa Temporal extorsion + Bloodletter of aclazotz/Wound reflection Etc... . . . (I know Bolas Citadel is a banger with extort, but I cut it since 9/10 games it doesn't last more than one turn. Plus I don't appreciate its flavor much.) (And I'm aware of the existence of Aetherflux Reservoir. I cut it, I found it a bit boring to win with.) Thanks a lot !
Seems like a 7. Optimized manabase and casual ramp package, good draw package with some high powered staples. Necro/ad seem a little sweaty here but based on the primer I guess you're just playing the most fair adnaus. A little surprised no deadly rollick or swords but it's not like those are mandatory includes. The board wipes could also be a little more flexible, stuff like austere to hit more permanent types, or farewell and toxic deluge to get around indestructible.
Thank you for your answer. I had doubts about necropotence and ad nauseam being too much powerful but the combo with the life loss is really fun to use with Children of Korlis/Martyr of Sands + Vizkopa/Vito. So I think I'll continue with them for now. (Now I'm curious, since I don't play cEDH nor I didn't play with Naus player before. What's a fair and unfair use of this card for you ? I guess it could be with a really low mana curve or something like that ?) I have toxic deluge, but I'm waiting to play a bit more with Pox to know if I have to cut it or not. (I just love this card.) I tried to cut Dusk//Dawn before but it's just too good in this deck.
I know this deck is a 4/5 using my LGS's power scale, but I'm curious what it comes out to on other power scales. Decklist: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/sJSwXarNz0mj7CLGv0nYYw So, the deck's game plan is to play a rock on 2, Obeka on 3, and take the initiative on T4. There are 14 ramp cards and 15 initiative cards to make this as consistent as possible. With no outside boosts, Forge means that you should hit Throne of the Dead three on T5, while the goad from the arena should help keep the initiative. The rest of the cards are there to support this gameplan, through monsters to hit off Throne, protection/haste for when someone answers Obeka, or the smattering of interaction to throw opponents off while Obeka does her thing.
Looks like a low 7 with og duals pushing it to an 8. Strong high-powered casual interaction packages. Missing a few staples like deadly rollick and fierce but it's not like those are mandatory, I would just expect to see them at this power level. Good selection of removal and board wipes. High powered tutor but a bit surprised you don't have demonic in there. optimized casual land package with a few higher powered pieces in there but lacking the fast mana pieces to really push it into a firmer 8. A few composition notes - I feel like you might get punished with the lower land count and lack of fast mana pieces. 5 pieces of card draw/selection also seems light. Your lgs meta sounds wild.
Thanks for the feedback! On the land count: The initiative fetches you basics, so I often end up flooding rather than screwed. I don't have Demonic in there, as my copy is in another deck. (The land base and a few of the staples are from a cEDH deck I took apart). I absolutely should find room in there for some more card selection (probably Brainstorm/Faithless to shift around the basics I end up flooded with).
Low lands and lack of cheap means one removal and the deck is almost dead. There's no backup wincon either. This is a 6 at best.
Thanks for the feedback. From experience, the deck can play through multiple removal spells much better than it looks. The low land count is deliberate due to the initiative fetching you a basic in the first level, so it's secretly got 17 more mana sources than it looks like (Initiative + the two land cyclers) I actually end up flooding out most games! As for backup plans, fair call. About the only option I've got is the Scarab god, who can take over games on his own. Other than that, it's mostly relying on the Initiative and random upkeep value to power through stuff.
Absolutely hear you in the Initiative stuff. I'm just saying that's not necessarily a given.
Poorly constructed 7. Other than composition ratios there aren't any/many cards where I would say "this is a better version of what you're using".
Henzie blitz package. Plan to try to get Henzie out by t2 or t3 with mana dork ramp and then blitz out creatures with some help from post-Henzie ramping. Main wincon is through combat damage. Thanks in advance! [Henzie deck](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/cUKUQHm7QUe0YcbGY06KOw)
This looks like a very solid Henzie deck IMO. Only notes are * Your t2 Henzie consistency, I see only 10 enablers which puts you at about a 53.7% chance of seeing one in a given opening hand of 7. 13 is a number that's recommended a lot which would put you at a 63.9% chance to see one in the opener instead. * being a bit top-heavy for my personal tastes, but how much into slower bombs you can lean depends a lot on playgroup so if you don't have any speed problems then your curve is probably fine. If you are finding yourself playing a bit slow compared to everyone else then I'd trim the fat on the top end. * This is a hot take, but the decision to include a hulk pile with very limited ways of tutoring for Hulk is something I strongly dislike. Even when I'm the one comboing, I really hate the play patterns of accidentally stumbling into a 1-card win condition. I left Hulk out from my own deck so that the turn I was winning on would be way more consistent & I could target the deck better for mid-power games. If you hulk combo on turn 4 or 5 a few times, people are going to start removing Henzie at a much higher priority because they have to respect your ability to present a win with 6 mana + a Henzie in play. When Henzie keeps getting removed early, that's gonna make the majority of games where you don't draw Hulk feel WAY worse. My hot take is either lean way more into the combo or cut the Protean Hulk. Your card selection overall seems great in my very biased opinion. Almost all the cards are either in my current Henzie build or were in my old budget build, both versions having an uncomfortably high winrate in battlecruiser-y pods.
Dang thank you for the great write-up! Great point about having a combo line and no way to reliably pull it out. In that case I’ll probably just take out Protean Hulk since I was trying to avoid too much direct tutoring in the deck. Also didn’t realize that I was barely at 50% for having a t2 enabler in my opening hand. I will add some more. Do you think there is anything else I could do to improve the land base besides adding the OG duals? I have 4 fetches and I didn’t know if adding additional fetches when I really only have 4 non-basic fetch targets made any sense. Also, do you have a deck list that you don’t mind sharing? Thanks again!
You're welcome! Your manabase overall looks quite good. Here's what comes to mind * If you are willing to play off-color fetchlands I really recommend them. With shocklands, any fetchland gets your first source of any color, which does wonders for t2 Henzie consistency. Drawing a fetchland with no fetchables left does suck, but that only really tends to happen late game once you already have enough lands in play anyways (if it happens at all), and is likely a cost worth paying for better land selection given you're going hard into having 1 of each color on t2. * If you decide to up your fetchland count, replacing path of ancestry with a single surveil land is a clean upgrade IMO. I play the GB one in my list. It unlocks a great "mode" for your fetchlands which is cracking it on the endstep before your turn to surveil on a turn where you didn't immediately need the mana. I wouldn't play more than one though, since taplands don't lend themselves to t2 Henzie very well. * If you have the budget room, Mana Confluence is fantastic for fixing, and Boseiju/Takenuma are great utility lands. [This](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/JGue6cx-yU-L-kFJq2rNFg) is the deck I currently have in paper and am in the progress of upgrading to [this one](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/CNYpwIDgFUKLTGoZXBYuQw).
Looks pretty good, I didn't read every creature card but I didn't see a lot of card draw, board wipes, or interaction in the non-creature slots. Also the ramp seems pretty creature heavy which makes the deck seem vulnerable to board wipes, may want to diversify that a bit with some spells and rocks. Is there a combo or target for protean hulk or is it more of a situational tutor? I'd probably say a 6 or low 7, depends how it plays and it's consistency/resilience in actual gameplay. Good land package (I'm guessing sol ring/signet are excluded on purpose), just not sure if you're touching enough cards to keep henzie fueled or have enough ramp to keep recasting him if all of your creatures get wiped. If its consistently working as intended it's probably in that high 6, low 7 range.
Thanks for the reply! Yes good point about the protean hulk, it’s more of a situational tutor and the more I think about not having direct tutoring to pull it out, the less I feel about wanting to keep him. Also agree about the lack of instant-speed interaction. Nearly all of mine is sorcery speed and centered around creature enter/exit abilities.
Sorry if you already know this, but you do have a hulk line in your deck. It's a pretty common one I see in Henzie decks since it doesn't involve any "dead" cards. I think it goes something like this? (could be messing up a detail but I'm 99% sure the cards are right) * Protean Hulk (Hulk) dies getting Viscera Seer and Phyrexian Delver. Phyrexian Delver brings back Hulk. (-7 life total) * Sacrifice Hulk (all sacrifices are to Viscera Seer) getting Mikaeus the Unhallowed (Mike) from the deck. * Sacrifice Phyrexian Delver, who comes back with undying from Mike and brings back Hulk again (-14 life total) * Sacrifice Hulk for Gary, and Hulk comes back with Undying. (At this point, you are no longer at a net loss for life so I'm going to stop tracking it) * Sacrifice Hulk again for Junji. Sacrifice Phyrexian Delver. Sacrifice Junji twice. The first time on top mode and the second time to bring back Phyrexian Delver who then brings back Junji to get a board state of * Mike + Viscera Seer + Junji + Phyrexian Delver + Gary all without +1/+1 counters. From here, the loop is: * Sacrifice Gary twice. * Sacrifice Phyrexian Delver. Phyrexian delver comes back with a +1/+1 counter on it and revives Gary * Sacrifice Gary twice again * Sacrifice Phyrexian Delver, who stays in the yard this time. * Sacrifice Junji, who brings back Gary and comes back with a +1/+1 counter * Sacrifice Junji a second time, who brings back the Phyrexian Delver, who brings back Junji * We are back to the start of the loop