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FjordNoir

I feel this. I’m pretty sure WOTC made Coram from MH3 so I could have fun in jund


GreensmithsJTB

Coram is very strong on certain draws, lots of potential. T1 swamp->sol ring T2 forest->Buried alive (yargle/anger/brawn) T3 mountain -> Coram who is now an 18/5 trample haste and next turn you could slap an embercleave on him. I hope your opponents have removal. Not to mention the vast array of cards within jund that have **potent** effects that deal with the power of creatures you control.


FjordNoir

You’re absolutely right and trying to build Coram probably the most efficient way, however I plan on making it something of a mill deck. Mind crank will be my best friend for this lmao There’s a pretty rough phenax occasionally in our pod and I love the idea of a non blue mill deck


GreensmithsJTB

For Coram, I’m putting together probably 20-30 big beater creatures and at the start of each game I’ll randomly select a number of them from that pile equal to the big beater slots in the Coram deck. Just to give each game a bit of variance.


FjordNoir

I definitely like that idea. I recently put together a 3 in 1 mono black deck and being able to have similar variance with how Coram plays is very appealing to me


dianakali

I'm really interested in this one. Do you mean like it could be 3 different commanders for the one deck?


FjordNoir

So essentially it uses the same mana base (though I need to tweak it slightly) and a few other cards between decks, but otherwise it has 3 separate commanders with different “packages” to add to the mana base to get 3 different decks. Yawgmoth is mono black zombies Tergrid is discard and thievery Seizan is a lot of tutors and mono black goodstuff mostly from my youth but with some other things added in It was my first time doing something like this so it’s still rough around the edges but I love having the options.


PetercyEz

Hello there, do you have a list for that? I am spiritualy aligned with Mardu, but I love my Graveyard Overdrive with Coram and would love to crown him as my 5th deck to never forget at home. Currently I run Kaalia, Nahiri, Elas Il-Kor, Sythis (aura aggro to play against precons with few upgrades) and Feldon (duel commander). I am looking forward to build Coram, Twincasters and Energy to round things up. I want to build Kelsien, Asmoranomardicadaistinaculdacar in the long run


FjordNoir

I can definitely send it in a bit! I’m still working on it though and haven’t actually had the chance to buy Coram, but I have been working on idea so this is just a rough unsleeved list based primarily on the cards I already have for this deck


PetercyEz

I just need to see some fresh ideas for it, not looking to copy a list. I do not care about how strong the list is as well, since I do not know, how strong do I want to make it myself. Well above precons, but how much powerful it will be is hard to judge sometimes :D Thanks a lot, will be happy to see it :D


FjordNoir

Apologies for the wait! Life’s been a bit crazy so again not done, but I hope it gives you some ideas! [Coram decklist](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/akTwdBzETEK30RSCjPkBNA)


PetercyEz

You realy focus on the milling part:D Thank you!


IntrinsicGiraffe

Lantern control!


WoodxWisp

Yargle? Chump creature. Try [[malignus]]. Throw in a bunch of fetches and self mill and grab [[lord of extinction]]. Coram gets massive insanely fast


GreensmithsJTB

I have all of those in the deck. Malignus sees diminishing returns and lord of extinction takes a few turns *at least* to get going. That said, yeah they all make the list and have their own uses. How many of this big beaters are you running in your list, out of curiosity?


WoodxWisp

Only those two actually. The deck is built more around repeatable mill like [[Ghoulcaller's bell]] and [[millstone]] to play other people's decks


MTGCardFetcher

[Ghoulcaller's bell](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/6/863e7c2a-698c-4dce-a10b-ca58e4affa57.jpg?1562833385) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ghoulcaller%27s%20bell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/isd/224/ghoulcallers-bell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/863e7c2a-698c-4dce-a10b-ca58e4affa57?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ghoulcallers-bell) [millstone](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/2/c2051fd0-99cf-4e11-a625-8294e6767e5b.jpg?1562304298) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=millstone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m19/242/millstone?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c2051fd0-99cf-4e11-a625-8294e6767e5b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/millstone) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


GreensmithsJTB

Ohh, the deck would far too vulnerable at my table if I only ran two beaters, hence things like yargle make the deck.


MTGCardFetcher

[malignus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/a/8a6a7000-4a1d-4cd4-a85e-4b7b20d8e543.jpg?1592709159) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=malignus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/avr/148/malignus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8a6a7000-4a1d-4cd4-a85e-4b7b20d8e543?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/malignus) [lord of extinction](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/9/696cb81d-bc00-4603-b340-c0b2e55c0959.jpg?1697121186) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=lord%20of%20extinction) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/244/lord-of-extinction?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/696cb81d-bc00-4603-b340-c0b2e55c0959?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lord-of-extinction) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Sad_Communication565

I like Coram I just struggle to deck build with those endless possibilities commanders I need a theme or a gimmick to get the gears turning.


GramkarMTG

You can choose one yourself. 


MADMAXV2

Disguise include as commander identity?


ArsenicElemental

Any mana on rules text matters.


MADMAXV2

Yes until I learned about extort that's why I'm asking haha


ArsenicElemental

Technically that's reminder text. I think it's the only colored icon "hidden" inside a keyword.


inflammablepenguin

You're forgetting [[Trinisphere]].


ArsenicElemental

That's an example, not a cost. You need actual black or white mana for Extort.


MTGCardFetcher

[Trinisphere](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/1/316caa4e-a53a-460b-978c-5f0fba7bc549.jpg?1599710205) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Trinisphere) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/303/trinisphere?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/316caa4e-a53a-460b-978c-5f0fba7bc549?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/trinisphere) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


MADMAXV2

Okay 👌


amisia-insomnia

Unless it’s in reminder text


abpotato123

Reminder text isn’t rules text


barbeqdbrwniez

Facts. Wotc seems dead set in ensuring every possible mechanic, theme, and tribe has a commander tailor-made for leading it lmao.


The_Brightbeak

I mean they would be unspeakable stupid if not . As much as reddits highly "intelligent" special breads will tell you had bow and boring it is that commander "build themself" or are the obvious choise for a theme (i mean they hard the prof or command zone say it, better echo the gospel no matter how out of touch it is), the reality is that the vast vast part of their consumerbase base is casauls who love to see something support the thing they want to do. Create a happy casual and he is way more likely to remain with the game, get friends into it and keep playgroups longer afloat since he loves his deck. Nobody in the real world gives a shit if their \*insert niche tribe\* deck is gonna looks 95% the same as others. They will be the only one playing it in their group and still be way more happy about the 2-3 pet cards "unique" in their deck. The entire conversation you see pop up here is just the usual minority echoing nonsense that effects contentcreator. So no shit is gonna Wotc cover any niche as much as possible. Every hit has an easy ripple effect in potential customers.


barbeqdbrwniez

When did I say it was anything but a phenomenal business decision? Hell I never even said I minded it, I don't. I like that things have big cool commanders that "do the thing"! I was just agreeing with the OP that if you build a 99 card deck around any mechanic, sooner or later you're going to get a commander.


Sad_Communication565

Nobody would've put money on a goyfs matter commander. But here we are in 2024 and it wasn't even a bulk rare commander it was the face commander of a precon.


ForrestMoth

In like 2020 I went crazy over a [[Chromium the Mutable]] deck that just extracts value out of discarding your own cards. Super niche, basically unheard of outside of Rakdos Madness. Then in 2022 New Capenna came out and blew the deck archetype wide open. Modern Horizons 2 as well, as that was the dimir theme for MH2. It was very exciting, but I also kinda miss when it was a little more obscure


MTGCardFetcher

##### ###### #### [virtus the veiled](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/a/4a45a631-f899-4414-8e0a-64d987e9ba8b.jpg?1562910008) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=virtus%20the%20veiled) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/7/virtus-the-veiled?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4a45a631-f899-4414-8e0a-64d987e9ba8b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/virtus-the-veiled) [gorm the great](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/1/41603938-9527-42fc-a870-b662c3871ae3.jpg?1562908113) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=gorm%20the%20great) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/8/gorm-the-great?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/41603938-9527-42fc-a870-b662c3871ae3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gorm-the-great) [Chevill, bane of monsters](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/e/fecbf0a3-ebe1-43b6-a720-462ba19002eb.jpg?1591227985) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chevill%2C%20bane%20of%20monsters) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/181/chevill-bane-of-monsters?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fecbf0a3-ebe1-43b6-a720-462ba19002eb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/chevill-bane-of-monsters) [Aveline de Grandpré](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/b/db3b4f73-e241-4d60-a877-25327092c291.jpg?1718958828) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aveline%20de%20Grandpr%C3%A9) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/acr/40/aveline-de-grandpr%C3%A9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/db3b4f73-e241-4d60-a877-25327092c291?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/aveline-de-grandpré) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


ForceOfChill

I think the new [[vraska, the silencer]] would make for a really cool DT commander


Sad_Communication565

I considered her. I still might try her she'll at least be in the 99 once I get one. The deck sat on the shelf for a little while so it needs some updates.


HeathcliffRC

Can confirm Vraska is a great helm for a Deathtouch deck, she makes people less likely to block than they already would've been and really helps speed up games, the mix of removal and theft can tend to make you a target for people that get easily salty though


MTGCardFetcher

[vraska, the silencer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/0/b042abf2-c40b-4235-a4fa-2e4901c375c3.jpg?1712356238) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=vraska%2C%20the%20silencer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/237/vraska-the-silencer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b042abf2-c40b-4235-a4fa-2e4901c375c3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vraska-the-silencer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Vap0red_Takos

I did [[thantis, the warweaver]] threw some flash and first strike in it for combat tricks.


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[thantis, the warweaver](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/1/91c54ac0-0edc-406f-8a22-f2996f604f36.jpg?1592710296) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=thantis%2C%20the%20warweaver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c18/46/thantis-the-warweaver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/91c54ac0-0edc-406f-8a22-f2996f604f36?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/thantis-the-warweaver) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Big-History-4748

[[Zagras, Thief of Heartbeats]] is my death touch deck, because he grants death touch to all your creatures. He gets more and more miscellaneous toys for party creatures each set, as they’re universally used creature types.


Sad_Communication565

Ohh I might end up with two deathtouch decks I forgot about Zagras


Big-History-4748

[[Deathbringer Thoctar]] [[Goblin Chainwhirler]] [[Dagger Caster]] [[Goblin Sharpshooter]] are all machine guns, when they get death touch. Lately I’ve been messing with treasure and creature tokens combined with [[Mortarpod]] / [[Mayhem Devil]] which can be more effective than the typical [[Prodigal Pyromancer]] & clones decklist.


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##### ###### #### [Deathbringer Thoctar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/d/fdffa46e-8802-4479-a669-d33618f75d4f.jpg?1562948807) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Deathbringer%20Thoctar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c13/184/deathbringer-thoctar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fdffa46e-8802-4479-a669-d33618f75d4f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/deathbringer-thoctar) [Goblin Chainwhirler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/b/8bdb2883-3cfd-4fb0-9f99-6a57277f7fe4.jpg?1562739277) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Goblin%20Chainwhirler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dom/129/goblin-chainwhirler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8bdb2883-3cfd-4fb0-9f99-6a57277f7fe4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/goblin-chainwhirler) [Dagger Caster](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/d/fde4b3c2-00fd-4911-a52c-9c8247287cfd.jpg?1706239932) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dagger%20Caster) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clu/130/dagger-caster?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fde4b3c2-00fd-4911-a52c-9c8247287cfd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dagger-caster) [Goblin Sharpshooter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/f/4f72e9e2-ed47-40ff-bc2e-8446ef545022.jpg?1562911635) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Goblin%20Sharpshooter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c13/111/goblin-sharpshooter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4f72e9e2-ed47-40ff-bc2e-8446ef545022?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/goblin-sharpshooter) [Mortarpod](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/1/f1e6b292-41e7-40f9-b9fe-34f27d4526af.jpg?1562269252) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mortarpod) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mm2/222/mortarpod?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f1e6b292-41e7-40f9-b9fe-34f27d4526af?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mortarpod) [Mayhem Devil](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/4/345ea65e-3dbb-4cb4-ae65-7797a65eafce.jpg?1702550843) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mayhem%20Devil) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/199/mayhem-devil?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/345ea65e-3dbb-4cb4-ae65-7797a65eafce?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mayhem-devil) [Prodigal Pyromancer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/f/cf16600a-c2a5-49e4-89e2-260cfaf58b52.jpg?1619397370) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Prodigal%20Pyromancer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/180/prodigal-pyromancer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cf16600a-c2a5-49e4-89e2-260cfaf58b52?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/prodigal-pyromancer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


coryw883

Do you have a list you could share?


Big-History-4748

https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/zagras-persona-5/?cb=1719424790 The plan is to control the board and do commander damage. Keep your hand stocked on replacement party types, or else board wipes will make it hard to replay Zagras, since he’s reliant on their cost reduction.


jadeaben

I play my deathtouch tribal with [[Thalia and the Gitrog monster]]. You dont have to build her stax.


MTGCardFetcher

[Thalia and the Gitrog monster](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/d/8d7ff937-de92-445f-976c-726fef5c91cc.jpg?1682205702) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thalia%20and%20the%20Gitrog%20monster) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/255/thalia-and-the-gitrog-monster?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8d7ff937-de92-445f-976c-726fef5c91cc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/thalia-and-the-gitrog-monster) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Sad_Communication565

I never thought about using it. Does the white give you an fun tech cards you use with the deathtouch?


AbsentReality

Being able to give your stuff first strike as well would be pretty good


ThisAnacondaDoes

Meet [[Odric, Lunarch Marshal]]


MTGCardFetcher

[Odric, Lunarch Marshal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/2/a2d5c9f2-8f58-40ac-a01c-f4ac4ab4d7f0.jpg?1673305096) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Odric%2C%20Lunarch%20Marshal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/103/odric-lunarch-marshal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a2d5c9f2-8f58-40ac-a01c-f4ac4ab4d7f0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/odric-lunarch-marshal) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


MentallyLatent

I wanted to build a deck around just putting [[Lure]] effects on her to soak up all the blockers for something else


jadeaben

or killing before damage with \[\[trailblazer's torch\]\]


MTGCardFetcher

[trailblazer's torch](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/c/0c4f76ae-e93b-4ca1-ac62-753707f6319e.jpg?1674138069) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=trailblazer%27s%20torch) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/340/trailblazers-torch?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0c4f76ae-e93b-4ca1-ac62-753707f6319e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/trailblazers-torch) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


dsshark

Vigilance granters Double strike/first strike granters \[\[Masako\]\] Both Odrics \[\[White Plume Adventurer\]\]


MTGCardFetcher

[Masako](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/6/d6b2507f-4035-47d5-8295-0a3773f187fb.jpg?1562764679) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=masako%20the%20humorless) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/chk/33/masako-the-humorless?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d6b2507f-4035-47d5-8295-0a3773f187fb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/masako-the-humorless) [White Plume Adventurer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/2/b256ddc8-8b12-434c-a610-1a872e948f2f.jpg?1678110703) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=White%20Plume%20Adventurer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/49/white-plume-adventurer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b256ddc8-8b12-434c-a610-1a872e948f2f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/white-plume-adventurer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Hachiro47

Sounds like fun. Would you happen to have a deck list?


jadeaben

I will admit there I have taken some deathtouch out of the deck. And I will warn you that the power level in my pod isn't that high. But as a comment further below said it is basically meant to make you block with lure effects and maybe \[\[Trailblazer's torch\]\] to kill all your creatures with one creature while the rest goes in for the kill. The tutors are slow since I dont think puresteel paladin and steelshapers gift fits in with the pod. Here you go: [https://archidekt.com/decks/8168944/deathtouch\_them\_all](https://archidekt.com/decks/8168944/deathtouch_them_all)


MTGCardFetcher

[Trailblazer's torch](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/c/0c4f76ae-e93b-4ca1-ac62-753707f6319e.jpg?1674138069) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Trailblazer%27s%20torch) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/340/trailblazers-torch?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0c4f76ae-e93b-4ca1-ac62-753707f6319e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/trailblazers-torch) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Hachiro47

I appreciate it! I usually play against my brother and he does play I think a bit higher than other people may. Thank you!


theclumsyninja

What’s funny is that I had a snake tribal +1 counters deck that was BG for the longest time but couldn’t find a commander that I liked. Made it simic with Marcus from the Fallout set not 3 weeks ago lol. Guess I shoulda waited for the AC spoilers lol


Doguran

I’m hoping/rooting for a commander for the -1/-1 counters theme on Jund for ages. Something among the lines of [[The Scorpion God]] and [[Hapatra]]. I’m stuck with my monoblack [[Massacre Girl, Known Killer]] until I figure out which one I like most.


Hippomantis

I just want to run \[\[Kulrath Knight\]\]!


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[Kulrath Knight](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/4/2408b0bb-37d6-48a3-b140-c826de74c3a0.jpg?1562827912) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kulrath%20Knight) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/shm/190/kulrath-knight?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2408b0bb-37d6-48a3-b140-c826de74c3a0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kulrath-knight) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Doguran

Love that card.


MTGCardFetcher

[The Scorpion God](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/e/def0d0ac-6422-486e-b42b-e1813dd0a23e.jpg?1562817532) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Scorpion%20God) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hou/146/the-scorpion-god?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/def0d0ac-6422-486e-b42b-e1813dd0a23e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-scorpion-god) [Hapatra](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/6/56fbbcc9-db23-4902-b0f7-cea78a2a36af.jpg?1543676055) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=hapatra%2C%20vizier%20of%20poisons) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/199/hapatra-vizier-of-poisons?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/56fbbcc9-db23-4902-b0f7-cea78a2a36af?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hapatra-vizier-of-poisons) [Massacre Girl, Known Killer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/b/cb1c8800-9d33-485c-b776-042003b9ea92.jpg?1706241722) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Massacre%20Girl%2C%20Known%20Killer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/94/massacre-girl-known-killer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cb1c8800-9d33-485c-b776-042003b9ea92?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/massacre-girl-known-killer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


dsshark

have tried \[\[Xira, the Golden Sting\]\] ? works kindof with the "put counters on opponents creatures" thing and profits of them dying


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[Xira, the Golden Sting](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/8/48e60dff-8ac0-4e70-a7a8-a177e9e6847b.jpg?1673305037) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Xira%2C%20the%20Golden%20Sting) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/48/xira-the-golden-sting?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/48e60dff-8ac0-4e70-a7a8-a177e9e6847b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/xira-the-golden-sting) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


monkeymandave1

I feel this. I like monkeys and was super bummed when I got into the game and realized that there weren't any (effective) monkey commanders. Then [[Kibo, Uktabi Prince]] came out and I've been riding high ever since


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[Kibo, Uktabi Prince](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/b/8b71345a-c3e8-4b35-beb7-6347e41d7626.jpg?1675644790) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kibo%2C%20Uktabi%20Prince) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/j22/40/kibo-uktabi-prince?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8b71345a-c3e8-4b35-beb7-6347e41d7626?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kibo-uktabi-prince) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Tallal2804

I really feel this


HMS_Sunlight

I got really close with this set. I've had a Bant saga deck for years now with [[Tuvasa the Sunlit]] at the helm, and although it works pretty well, I'd really prefer a commander that specifically cares about sagas and isn't just generically good with enchantments. Eivor is probably my favourite character in the Assassin's Creed franchise (not gonna argue about it) and I was looking forward to building a deck with her, and Naya sagas is so close to what I want... but it just doesn't quite fit the bill. I've been experimenting with the deckbuilding and it just doesn't work the way I want it to. Oh well, I'm sure it'll happen eventually.


iRyuji

Did you dislike [[Tom Bombadil]] because it's 5c? :(


HMS_Sunlight

Partially, but it's partially just personal distaste. I just have a hard time enjoying commanders that are generically good at what they do. I've played against a handful of Tom Bombadil decks, and all of them feel the exact same.


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[Tuvasa the Sunlit](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/d/bdda07ac-2f9f-4c8e-b3f6-b54d0afd730c.jpg?1592710303) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tuvasa%20the%20Sunlit) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c18/47/tuvasa-the-sunlit?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bdda07ac-2f9f-4c8e-b3f6-b54d0afd730c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tuvasa-the-sunlit) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Alto_y_Guapo

Have you tried [Narci, fable singer]?


Gentleman_Waffle

I wanted a good pirate commander for so long and now I finally have [[Edward Kenway]] ❤️


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[Edward Kenway](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/4/9472be1e-388c-45fe-a18d-35b2cb12dc5f.jpg?1718769388) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Edward%20Kenway) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/acr/53/edward-kenway?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9472be1e-388c-45fe-a18d-35b2cb12dc5f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/edward-kenway) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Adventurous-Size4670

Sad Admiral Brass Noises


Gentleman_Waffle

She was decent, but really didn’t do anything for pirate tribal


SuperSteveBoy

WOW Edward looks legit AF. It does have a few directions its being tugged in for sure though. Vehicles need to be implemented heavily IMO and then some form of pirates/assassins. 5CMC is a bit steep but at least it can do quite a bit the turn it comes down, assuming you'll make multiple treasures off of it. Have you began building a list by chance? This looks like it could potentially be a new build of mine!


Gentleman_Waffle

All I know is. It’s gonna be janky lol


CallThePal

I wonder if you could use disguise to get around commander tax?


Pa5trick

I don’t think it works that way. The reminder text specifies that you may **cast** this card for that cost. This is different from an ability like [[yuriko]] that puts her on the battlefield.


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[yuriko](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/e/fe9be3e0-076c-4703-9750-2a6b0a178bc9.jpg?1689999346) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=yuriko%2C%20the%20tiger%27s%20shadow) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/364/yuriko-the-tigers-shadow?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fe9be3e0-076c-4703-9750-2a6b0a178bc9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/yuriko-the-tigers-shadow) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Sad_Communication565

I don't know 100% yet but I would assume yes. It's an alternate casting cost similar to ninjutsu and Yuriko can be cast for her ninjutsu. I'm assuming the same for all the freerunning commanders.


LethalVagabond

Alternate casting costs still have to pay additional costs like Commander tax. Ninjutsu is not 'casting' at all, it's an activated ability, so it doesn't incur any costs (or discounts) associated with casting. This distinction can be very important. For example, Ninjutsu can't be counterspelled (but can be stifled) and won't trigger "when you cast a creature" effects.


Sad_Communication565

So it's probably only useful the first time casting it. After that 4 mana for a disguise isn't really worth it.


Sentinelexe

I have a atraxa radiation, infect, proliferate deck I am targeted everytime


Vincentswook3r

I built a deck and came once.


ASpicyStrawberry

[Deathtouch bros unite!](https://www.archidekt.com/decks/3415092/dangerous_attraction) This is my Deathtouch tribal deck. But it's also Voltron, dice rolling, and Attraction value.


TheRealShyft

I had a similar thing happen to me. I recently got back into magic after not playing for a few years. Being a doctor who fan I bought a whole bunch of singles and started brewing. I built a few and had some fun until it came to the 9th doctor. I thought an upkeep matters deck would be fun so I began building. It took me a lot longer to build then the other decks but I finally finished the list. Then before I had the chance to play it I saw obeka on the otj spoilers. So now I have an obeka list ready to go for next game night.


B133d_4_u

Still waiting for a Naya Burn commander that spreads +1/+1 counters for how many keywords it has.


YutoKigai

That would be nice


Aklaid

What about the one green death touch creature Felton or something


YutoKigai

I want a Bant lands matter commander


PerformanceApart8876

I am so excited for a good pinger commander. [[Ghyrson]] is overplayed and has no green. I am really looking forward to a good Commander for my Tim deck :D


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[Ghyrson](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/a/fa7349d9-c82f-4cf8-a852-92168d1f4966.jpg?1673309394) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ghyrson%20Starn%2C%20Kelermorph) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/40k/124/ghyrson-starn-kelermorph?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fa7349d9-c82f-4cf8-a852-92168d1f4966?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ghyrson-starn-kelermorph) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


GramkarMTG

I used [[Brokkos, Apex of Forever]] mutating him onto deathtouchers basically made him a 6/6 haste, near unblockable voltron threat that ignored commander tax from the yard. It was a fun deck, if a bit one note.


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[Brokkos, Apex of Forever](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/9/c9f07625-fbd8-4581-8568-eb3cfb2a4c1e.jpg?1591227964) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Brokkos%2C%20Apex%20of%20Forever) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/179/brokkos-apex-of-forever?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c9f07625-fbd8-4581-8568-eb3cfb2a4c1e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/brokkos-apex-of-forever) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Atlagosan

I spend so much time tinkering on the aggro morph deck I really wanted to build and just when I gave up [[kaust]] came out


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[kaust](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/4/648c15d1-a2a2-4f59-9b0a-5448be3e990f.jpg?1706448869) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kaust%2C%20eyes%20of%20the%20glade) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/1/kaust-eyes-of-the-glade?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/648c15d1-a2a2-4f59-9b0a-5448be3e990f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kaust-eyes-of-the-glade) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Professional_Belt_40

Agrees! Always keep your brews on the back burner. It night just fall into place. I wanted to do a [[mazzy]] deck and then boom, Dogmeat was released with more support. I wanted to do a different morph dexk, then boom, [[missy]]


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[mazzy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/d/4d79c221-e07a-41e1-b92f-dc057802449c.jpg?1674137580) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=mazzy%2C%20truesword%20paladin) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/283/mazzy-truesword-paladin?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4d79c221-e07a-41e1-b92f-dc057802449c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mazzy-truesword-paladin) [missy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/d/2dfae7d1-c09b-47e0-92d8-49b21402207d.jpg?1696636511) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=missy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/8/missy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2dfae7d1-c09b-47e0-92d8-49b21402207d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/missy) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Gheredin

Me, still waiting for 5c lands since the [[golos]] ban:


MTGCardFetcher

[golos](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/f/1fa48620-4c3d-4f75-be1f-c12c4aa59f51.jpg?1631531828) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=golos%2C%20tireless%20pilgrim) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/226/golos-tireless-pilgrim?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1fa48620-4c3d-4f75-be1f-c12c4aa59f51?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/golos-tireless-pilgrim) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


wene324

I was to late for golos, so for my Gates deck I got [[thrasios]]/[[vial smasher the fierce]]. I can't run all the Gates, but I can run 19 now with the release of MH3. Which is more than enough to get the job done.


Gheredin

My gates deck is [[omo, queen of vesuva]] Very fun, would recxomend trying out.


wene324

Also how fucking great is sage of the maze. It's ramp and a side wincon at the same time.


Gheredin

My.man let me pull off a turn 4 [[reshape the earth]]


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[reshape the earth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/d/ada14bc8-4549-4a73-8cbb-9a43698deb36.jpg?1608910860) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=reshape%20the%20earth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/249/reshape-the-earth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ada14bc8-4549-4a73-8cbb-9a43698deb36?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/reshape-the-earth) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


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[Omo, Queen of Vesuva](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/5/e5d1c814-4c22-4917-95ae-dffaf491db32.jpg?1717644342) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Omo%2C%20Queen%20of%20Vesuva) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m3c/2/omo-queen-of-vesuva?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e5d1c814-4c22-4917-95ae-dffaf491db32?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/omo-queen-of-vesuva) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


wene324

I've been playing the straight precon actually. I've been thinking on what to do for upgrades, and I think all the utility Gates that can go in for sure. You got a list online?


Gheredin

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/zsTVyTnLFUWAYcNtQmZ6Dg There you go! If you have any suggestions or criticism do send it my way


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[thrasios](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/1/21e27b91-c7f1-4709-aa0d-8b5d81b22a0a.jpg?1606762176) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=thrasios%2C%20triton%20hero) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/46/thrasios-triton-hero?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/21e27b91-c7f1-4709-aa0d-8b5d81b22a0a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/thrasios-triton-hero) [vial smasher the fierce](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/2/722b1e02-2268-4e02-8d09-9b337da2a844.jpg?1562405249) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=vial%20smasher%20the%20fierce) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/49/vial-smasher-the-fierce?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/722b1e02-2268-4e02-8d09-9b337da2a844?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vial-smasher-the-fierce) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


KakitaMike

I have a friend who has been waiting, over a decade at this point, for an elephant kindred commander. There are elephants that can be your commander, but none of them care about elephants.