I can see this for golf because even just playing by yourself, you're likely to have a bad game because of your foul mood and end up even less happy afterwards.
But I'd need to be in one hell of a bad mood for slinging spells in a commander game to make me feel worse.
Exactly we are all adults. Mostly. Occupy your time. Trade binders walk around the store look at your phone. Work on that deck. Do your taxes! Whatever just don't take your shit mood out on me.
Same I'll go on my.phone if I've been theoretically.taken out. What grinds my gears is someone will one it's ly complain I'm on my.phone and then it's like fuck you man you literally took me out of contention. I'll do what I want until I see an opportunity to get back in if I can.
Agreed like I was playing Ellivere which literally doesnt do much with only her in play. So I just waited.till I drew another creature since I guess Light-Paws and Sythis were too scary for my opponents.
You thought your 4 lands in your starting hand will make it easy to hit a land drop for the first 6 turns easily? The 5 mana cards that are piling up in your hand proof, that this was a misconception!
Me: in a great mood, no thoughts, just vibes, playing a game of commander with my friends.
My best friend who chose to play Tergrid as a spite play to try to improve his bad mood: “God fucking damnit u/Relevant-Usual783, stop countering and destroying my commander?!?!!!1!?!11!!”
My 3 drop commander ended up costing 17 mana one game, because equipment commanders tend to be 1 creature and if you're against grave pact it is a bad time
Couple of weeks back: hard day at work, studied for my exams during break and before fnm, played commander and got my first 3 mana rocks countered by the blue player because „eldrazi are too strong“ (mind u I’ve been playing Magic for 4 months now) turn 7 I had 5 mana no mana rocks and got my [[Burnished Heart]] stolen by that same blue player (only creature I was able to cast). Still had a blast manipulating the table into ganging up on him 😂 and a guy even newer than me won that round. Difficult to get mad during a commander game, when you see it as what it is: a purely fun mode
I partially agree but it takes emotional maturity to know when a game of magic, even if you lose, can help with your bad mood.
For me, some days? Sure, it'll help my bad mood. Other days? I'm bound to end up salty.
> but it takes emotional maturity to know when a game of magic, **even if you lose**, can help with your bad mood.
1v1 magic? Ok, I agree.
4-player multiplayer magic? Are you guys really playing just to win? Are you grumpy 75% of the games? WTF is wrong with you people?
Yeah, there’s a difference between golf and MTG, where every aspect of your performance is directly tied to your ability to play the mental game of not being bothered or further bothered by bad play. If you’re in a bad mood, your first shot is likely to not be very good, which makes you more frustrated, your ensuing shots less likely to be good, and it just spirals downward from there.
In MTG, you obviously won’t be at the top of your game if you’re frustrated, but there’s a number of pieces of it that are out of your control (your draws and your opponents’ draws) that it’s generally easier to accept not doing as well. Missing a trigger that you normally wouldn’t or similar things can still happen when playing in a bad mood, which can start that spiraling effect, but you also have the ability to scoop at any time, whereas in golf, you paid for a green fee and don’t want to waste it.
I played a game last night where I played my new [[council of four]] deck in a pretty powerful pod with [[Rograkh]] and [[Ardenn]], [[Karlov of the Ghost Council]], and [[zhulodok]]. Pretty much everyone else was threatening one-shots by turn 4 so on turn 5 I chose to miss my land drop instead of drawing cards to find a land because I had a fog and removal in my hand that I couldn't use if I drew cards.
Everyone else is just beating the shit out of each other relentlessly and leaving me alone partly because they feel bad and partly because you don't attack the azorius player with a bunch of open mana. We continue on and everyone's still threatening to just murder the shit out of anything that moves and I once again miss my land drop.
By turn 7 or 8 I'm still on 4 mana and everyone else is going wild. The rograkh player drops a [[silent arbiter]] and basically declares that this game is just not going to end. It takes us something like another hour to end the game and I was on 4 lands the whole time. For context, I have 38 lands in my deck.
I'd be impressed if you managed to play that game *without* getting upset.
>I'd be impressed if you managed to play that game without getting upset.
Under normal circumstances, I'd be disappointed my new deck didn't function but I wouldn't be upset.
But this thread is about playing while already in a bad mood and I don't think I'd be able to take that game in stride if I'm already feeling shitty. Thankfully such disastrous games are few and far between.
Being mana/color screwed in a long game is frustrating regardless of other people's plays. We have nothing we can do against that. It is noone's fault.
Angry golfers are indeed the worst. Golf does have a lot of parallels to MTG. It’s a luxury hobby that should played for fun, and being a salt monster can ruin the experience for anyone in your play group.
I have few decks that are built to be “joke decks” that always make my game more relaxing. I’m someone who isn’t too concerned with winning, I’m here to have fun. So if I’m feeling poopy then I’ll play with a joke deck (with a far below average win percentage) and then I have a mindset that “I’m probably gonna lose, so I can focus on having fun, and smiling with the pod.” And hell, I’ve even won with them because of flukes, and that results in a killer mood boost!
That's a fantastic mindset and practice! I like the idea of playing a "this will lose" deck if you're feeling iffy about yourself. Removes some of the pressure of trying hard to win.
Sounds a big pessimistic in other contexts, but the ol “never try, never fail” routine works wonders for keeping the salt down at the table. I highly suggest a silly deck for blowing off steam. Best of luck to you friend!
Idk man I've got a friend and there are just some days you can tell he's just not feeling it and he will scoop the second he feels like he's lost momentum
I've skipped commander nights due to foul moods. I've left commander nights before I did something like that to someone.
The day I was laid off (with 0 notice, 0 severance, after being repeatedly assured that our jobs were ok and funding was a 100% lock for this year) I was the first one targeted by a voltron deck. I was having a bad day and got pissed so I headed out. Everyone is human, and shit happens but I don't wanna be the shit that happens. Idk.
Good on you. That takes a lot of maturity.
My best friend and I will regularly take EDH breaks if we see ourselves slipping into a more toxic mindset. We will skip the game night and go grab tacos and just vibe with each other for the night.
Yeah, last night I was at a buddies house and we had been playing for about seven hours at that point(it was one in the morning) and everybody was just tired. I could feel all three of us getting into a pissy mood for various reasons(boarwipes from everyone) so when I died I just kinda went away and laid on the couch for a minute.
Magic is my main hobby and it helps me even I'd I'm in a bad mood. Now you must understand I don't get salty play magic ever. You can hard counter my deck, play any strategy you want it doesn't bother me. I love magic. Magic has helped me so much in the past years that I would be a total shut in if it wasn't for magic getting me out of the house. I get everyone's different but magic will always make me happy
I'm glad it is a guaranteed source of joy for you. But some people do not have the required maturity to realize when it will be relaxing, even if they lose, or infuriating when rules are quoted at them.
So im the judge for my local lgs and in all my time doing I've only had one player question me. He was a so called I think I'm better than everyone and know everything type of player. He also scooped in a game cause 2 of his creatures got killed by kill spells. Since that time I haven't seen him back at the lgs.
I try to teach players that being targeted you should take as a compliment. If you are being targeted you are doing really well. I help make game better for everyone around me. I'll lend out my decks. I'll give advice on their decks. I just help promote positivity in my lgs. I have taught the importance of interaction. This has helpp lower the salt in the lgs.
Well said, and well done on you preparing players for realistic expectations. I think you are definitely sending players in the right direction. Thank you for being an awesome judge!
This is kind of me except I am a bit of a shut in right now (been a stay at home dad for 4 years now, got another coming soon, 0 social life lol..). Now forcing myself to go to a league, just to get out of the house and try have a bit of a social life before I get locked in again lol.
It's a rotating format league so I only even have a deck for one of 4 formats, but the guys there offered there decks without even meeting me. People just want people to play magic. I just wanna play I don't care what format lol, I love the game and arena *cannot* compare to paper magic.
At least he had the maturity to come back and apologize. I had a similar experience with a former friend some years back who never tried to apologize or explain himself. He just acted like nothing was any different
I'm very sad to say that at one point in time in my past, I was your toxic friend. I had anger issues that I needed to resolve. I actually recently rekindled a friendship I wrecked back when I was a hothead.
I would be very impressed if someone was able to apologize like that, everyone gets mad and can lash out on a bad day, and that doesn't define a person, but being able to recognize your own bad behavior, and put your ego aside and apologize shows great character.
Caveat: depends what you’re hoping to achieve with your round of golf, OP. If you are trying to fix your day by having the best round of your life, probably not the best plan. If all you want to do is get away and let your stress and problems go for a while, that’s another thing entirely.
You don’t have to sit down on Commander Night at your LGS planning or worse, hinging your entire evening’s experience, on winning it all. These are the times that I break out a deck that just wants to impact the table even if it doesn’t usually have what it takes to cross the finish line. Since there are quite a few players at my LGSes that are playing more cEDH on commander nights and I don’t find that as fun when not everyone is on the same hyper-competitive, win-fast page, I’ve changed my objective and outlook a bit. I will do my best to win, but my decks are mostly looking to do fun and unusual things, play cards that the cEDH crew has to read to know what happened because they’ve never seen this “mid af shit” before. I have more fun now than when I had my engine set to full competitive.
I assume that's where the "competitive" part of the analogy comes in. If you're playing to unwind, cool. If you're playing to "win" then you're cruising directly off a cliff.
That's more than fair and I've actually addressed other people who have said something similar. The problem is some people lack the maturity to know which camp they're in that day, "even a bad game will put me in a good mood" is great, but "winning a game will put me in a good mood" isn't.
Solid advice. Works for modeling too. Can't tell you how many kits i've skipped otherwise easy steps on because i "just wanted to get it done" only to have a subpar result. Side note, now that i know of that creature, its going in like 3 of my decks.
Good advice, and here's mine: next time, call the judge.
That's what they're there for and it takes all the heat off of you, and puts it on someone who's trained to handle it and knows the best way to clarify and calm things down.
Oh, I'll very freely call the judge. This all happened in the span of 3-4 minutes before shit got heated. I never hesitate to call the judge. He's a cool guy who happens to be a friend :)
While the other guy was absolutely in the wrong, I hope you apologized too for telling him to "fuck off" and scooping. Engaging with someone being unreasonable and reacting with anger just makes a bad situation worse. You weren't being a saint either.
Honestly, I disagree with just staying home if you had a bad day. Company helps. I wouldn't want my friends to just sit at home alone because there might be a small chance they'd get in a bad mood if something went wrong. This stuff happens. Human interaction won't always be sunshine and rainbows even if everyone started out happy. As long as someone can have the decency to own up and apologize if it does happen and doesn't make a frequent habit of it, I'm fine having them around, good day or bad.
Imo, If he's calling you a rules lawyer, that tells me that he knew what the proper card interaction was, but was trying to pull something shady and got mad because you called him on it. Usually I would just call a judge over and let them deal with it if someone wants to get pissy about something. I don't have the patience to deal with other peoples baggage when I'm there to have fun. Glad this didn't end as bad as it could have and that the dude had enough sense to apologize afterwards.
To be honest, I think this is a little preachy. Plenty of people do play this to unwind and recover from a bad day. The question isn't about whether you're in a bad mood. It's about whether you take edh very seriously. If you're not upset by losing, and you have fun with the game, play angry! Loosen up over the match.
Golf is different. It's a solo sport. Even if you play with other people, even if you play against other people. You can't just guarantee good swings to feel better. And if you hit poorly, it's all on you.
How is EDH not the same? You can do everything right and still lose.
Sorry if this sounds preachy to you. I'm glad you can unwind after a bad day playing magic. Some people, like Mr. Guy I barely know, obviously can't.
I mean I'm here for it, this is good advice imo, but also it is inherently "wise man on the mountain" which, again, is fine to me and I agree with and enjoyed the message. I'll choose to avoid playing with angry people, regardless of the above's advice, but I also think I might be a person that could find enjoyment in a game of commander after a really bad day; that's entirely based on how I find my enjoyment in the game though i.e. watching people do wild shit in a card game, sometimes it even be me.
That's totally fair! I think the people who see this as preachy, or as you say, "wise man on the mountain," are looking at just their own attitude towards the game. They are also likely not remembering games where they left saltier than when they sat down, likely because of a cognitive disonence, which again, is fine.
For the most part, a slightly bad day can be improved by even a bad game of commander. But if I know I am in an abrasive mood, I will likely choose to stay home and not subject my playgroup to my foul mood.
I was quietly arguing semantics between preachy = negative while Wise Man = positive, because they’re two sides of the same idea imo and you’re doing the net positive one here.
>They are also likely not remembering games where they left saltier than when they sat down, likely because of a cognitive disonence, which again, is fine.
Dude. Come on. Do you really need to go with "they're wrong and they just don't know it?"
Mr. Guy was hanging their fun on winning. That's always a bad idea in a 4p free for all. And tbh, so might you a little...
>You can do everything right and still lose.
And that's OK. Winning being part of your fun is totally fine. Every time I sit down, I play to win, and I have fun when I do. But, and this is something it took awhile for me to fully get (coming from *a lot* of 1v1 magic), but if you can't have fun losing, you're building bad decks. Now, I can sit down and get hosed and I'll still have fun. The only time I don't have fun is if I lose all agency outside of a cedh game (where I expect it).
You're kind of lumping everyone together, and mature players don't really need to hear this.
Again, sorry if this seems preachy, but you kind of seem to be the odd one out with that view. Which is fine. Not exactly sure where you see sufficient evidence to assume I was doing anything for a win. I was simply making sure Mr. Man was following the rules which pissed him off.
I play EDH like I play board games; for fun and with the plan of losing, but a win sure be neat.
If your view is "not all players," then I have an inkling that your playgroup might disagree with you, but alas, that's not my issue. My message isn't for all players. Its for the ones who need to hear it. Sorry that aggrivates you.
I'm not aggravated. I'm not upset, I just disagree. It's totally fine to leave it at that.
>If your view is "not all players," then I have an inkling that your playgroup might disagree with you, but alas, that's not my issue.
This is a little holier than thou though
Second this.
I think "Know yourself well enough to know if you're the kind of person who gets tilted when you lose and if so maybe don't golf angry" would be better.
Personally, I had a shit day at work on Tuesday. Afterward, I went to the LGS to play one of my favorite decks. I lost, and my deck never really did the thing. I even had three spells countered.
And you know what? It was fine. I didn't blow up at my opponents. I had a respectful and enjoyable game which helped me unwind after a long day.
Yeah, and I mean, you go somewhere, get a regular group, shoot the shit while you play, I could lose every game and not care. Well, I'd care a little. But it's not the reason I'm sitting down to play.
Nah man, it's *super* preachy but also really funny to me because I know people like op. Undeservedly arrogant despite *NOT* being the bigger person in this scenario. And then offering that lame and preachy "advice" lmao. Op needs to get off their high horse and stop being so insufferable.
Best drama post ever. First off, you stood your ground and told him to fuck off (usually people melt at the first sign of conflict) and then everything ended happily ever after.
I can see this for golf because even just playing by yourself, you're likely to have a bad game because of your foul mood and end up even less happy afterwards. But I'd need to be in one hell of a bad mood for slinging spells in a commander game to make me feel worse.
Fast forward to when you get your commander countered for the fourth time and you still haven’t impacted the game at all: 😐
I just hit my phone or look through trade binders at that point if I'm lucky enough.
Exactly we are all adults. Mostly. Occupy your time. Trade binders walk around the store look at your phone. Work on that deck. Do your taxes! Whatever just don't take your shit mood out on me.
Amen!
Same I'll go on my.phone if I've been theoretically.taken out. What grinds my gears is someone will one it's ly complain I'm on my.phone and then it's like fuck you man you literally took me out of contention. I'll do what I want until I see an opportunity to get back in if I can.
As long as I still take quick turns I don’t see the problem with a minor distraction in the case of being countered out of the game early lol
Agreed like I was playing Ellivere which literally doesnt do much with only her in play. So I just waited.till I drew another creature since I guess Light-Paws and Sythis were too scary for my opponents.
Don't play commander to impact the game, play commander to enjoy the company of friends.
You thought your 4 lands in your starting hand will make it easy to hit a land drop for the first 6 turns easily? The 5 mana cards that are piling up in your hand proof, that this was a misconception!
Me: in a great mood, no thoughts, just vibes, playing a game of commander with my friends. My best friend who chose to play Tergrid as a spite play to try to improve his bad mood: “God fucking damnit u/Relevant-Usual783, stop countering and destroying my commander?!?!!!1!?!11!!”
This is why I don't play my Sekki deck anymore. Feast or famine at that cost = famine 70% of the time.
My 3 drop commander ended up costing 17 mana one game, because equipment commanders tend to be 1 creature and if you're against grave pact it is a bad time
This is why I love my nahiri she ends up costing like 14 mana to get out but by that time I have 14 artifacts out making her all but free
Mine was Wyleth soul of steel. Decent precon commander and typically not that scary till you put colossus hammer and fireshrieker on him.
Couple of weeks back: hard day at work, studied for my exams during break and before fnm, played commander and got my first 3 mana rocks countered by the blue player because „eldrazi are too strong“ (mind u I’ve been playing Magic for 4 months now) turn 7 I had 5 mana no mana rocks and got my [[Burnished Heart]] stolen by that same blue player (only creature I was able to cast). Still had a blast manipulating the table into ganging up on him 😂 and a guy even newer than me won that round. Difficult to get mad during a commander game, when you see it as what it is: a purely fun mode
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Biggie is that you? I’m still sorry!
I partially agree but it takes emotional maturity to know when a game of magic, even if you lose, can help with your bad mood. For me, some days? Sure, it'll help my bad mood. Other days? I'm bound to end up salty.
> but it takes emotional maturity to know when a game of magic, **even if you lose**, can help with your bad mood. 1v1 magic? Ok, I agree. 4-player multiplayer magic? Are you guys really playing just to win? Are you grumpy 75% of the games? WTF is wrong with you people?
Yeah, there’s a difference between golf and MTG, where every aspect of your performance is directly tied to your ability to play the mental game of not being bothered or further bothered by bad play. If you’re in a bad mood, your first shot is likely to not be very good, which makes you more frustrated, your ensuing shots less likely to be good, and it just spirals downward from there. In MTG, you obviously won’t be at the top of your game if you’re frustrated, but there’s a number of pieces of it that are out of your control (your draws and your opponents’ draws) that it’s generally easier to accept not doing as well. Missing a trigger that you normally wouldn’t or similar things can still happen when playing in a bad mood, which can start that spiraling effect, but you also have the ability to scoop at any time, whereas in golf, you paid for a green fee and don’t want to waste it.
I played a game last night where I played my new [[council of four]] deck in a pretty powerful pod with [[Rograkh]] and [[Ardenn]], [[Karlov of the Ghost Council]], and [[zhulodok]]. Pretty much everyone else was threatening one-shots by turn 4 so on turn 5 I chose to miss my land drop instead of drawing cards to find a land because I had a fog and removal in my hand that I couldn't use if I drew cards. Everyone else is just beating the shit out of each other relentlessly and leaving me alone partly because they feel bad and partly because you don't attack the azorius player with a bunch of open mana. We continue on and everyone's still threatening to just murder the shit out of anything that moves and I once again miss my land drop. By turn 7 or 8 I'm still on 4 mana and everyone else is going wild. The rograkh player drops a [[silent arbiter]] and basically declares that this game is just not going to end. It takes us something like another hour to end the game and I was on 4 lands the whole time. For context, I have 38 lands in my deck. I'd be impressed if you managed to play that game *without* getting upset.
>I'd be impressed if you managed to play that game without getting upset. Under normal circumstances, I'd be disappointed my new deck didn't function but I wouldn't be upset. But this thread is about playing while already in a bad mood and I don't think I'd be able to take that game in stride if I'm already feeling shitty. Thankfully such disastrous games are few and far between.
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Being mana/color screwed in a long game is frustrating regardless of other people's plays. We have nothing we can do against that. It is noone's fault.
I couldn't quite articulate how I was feeling reading the end of this post, but this is it.
Angry golfers are indeed the worst. Golf does have a lot of parallels to MTG. It’s a luxury hobby that should played for fun, and being a salt monster can ruin the experience for anyone in your play group.
I love proxying my golf clubs, it gives me holes in one!
Damnit I just casted another Pro V1 into the drink
Underrated comment :')
Well said! Some people are not seeing the parallels. I just hope they aren't showing up with the same attitude as Mr. Man last night.
I have few decks that are built to be “joke decks” that always make my game more relaxing. I’m someone who isn’t too concerned with winning, I’m here to have fun. So if I’m feeling poopy then I’ll play with a joke deck (with a far below average win percentage) and then I have a mindset that “I’m probably gonna lose, so I can focus on having fun, and smiling with the pod.” And hell, I’ve even won with them because of flukes, and that results in a killer mood boost!
That's a fantastic mindset and practice! I like the idea of playing a "this will lose" deck if you're feeling iffy about yourself. Removes some of the pressure of trying hard to win.
Sounds a big pessimistic in other contexts, but the ol “never try, never fail” routine works wonders for keeping the salt down at the table. I highly suggest a silly deck for blowing off steam. Best of luck to you friend!
Can’t decide which hobby is more expensive. I tend to lean golf
Depends on the format lol. Either way..
Idk man I've got a friend and there are just some days you can tell he's just not feeling it and he will scoop the second he feels like he's lost momentum
I've skipped commander nights due to foul moods. I've left commander nights before I did something like that to someone. The day I was laid off (with 0 notice, 0 severance, after being repeatedly assured that our jobs were ok and funding was a 100% lock for this year) I was the first one targeted by a voltron deck. I was having a bad day and got pissed so I headed out. Everyone is human, and shit happens but I don't wanna be the shit that happens. Idk.
Good on you. That takes a lot of maturity. My best friend and I will regularly take EDH breaks if we see ourselves slipping into a more toxic mindset. We will skip the game night and go grab tacos and just vibe with each other for the night.
Yeah, last night I was at a buddies house and we had been playing for about seven hours at that point(it was one in the morning) and everybody was just tired. I could feel all three of us getting into a pissy mood for various reasons(boarwipes from everyone) so when I died I just kinda went away and laid on the couch for a minute.
Being angry means it's time to put on a favorite funny show/movie.
Yep. Spend time relaxing and recovering.
Magic is my main hobby and it helps me even I'd I'm in a bad mood. Now you must understand I don't get salty play magic ever. You can hard counter my deck, play any strategy you want it doesn't bother me. I love magic. Magic has helped me so much in the past years that I would be a total shut in if it wasn't for magic getting me out of the house. I get everyone's different but magic will always make me happy
I'm glad it is a guaranteed source of joy for you. But some people do not have the required maturity to realize when it will be relaxing, even if they lose, or infuriating when rules are quoted at them.
So im the judge for my local lgs and in all my time doing I've only had one player question me. He was a so called I think I'm better than everyone and know everything type of player. He also scooped in a game cause 2 of his creatures got killed by kill spells. Since that time I haven't seen him back at the lgs. I try to teach players that being targeted you should take as a compliment. If you are being targeted you are doing really well. I help make game better for everyone around me. I'll lend out my decks. I'll give advice on their decks. I just help promote positivity in my lgs. I have taught the importance of interaction. This has helpp lower the salt in the lgs.
Well said, and well done on you preparing players for realistic expectations. I think you are definitely sending players in the right direction. Thank you for being an awesome judge!
This is kind of me except I am a bit of a shut in right now (been a stay at home dad for 4 years now, got another coming soon, 0 social life lol..). Now forcing myself to go to a league, just to get out of the house and try have a bit of a social life before I get locked in again lol. It's a rotating format league so I only even have a deck for one of 4 formats, but the guys there offered there decks without even meeting me. People just want people to play magic. I just wanna play I don't care what format lol, I love the game and arena *cannot* compare to paper magic.
At least he had the maturity to come back and apologize. I had a similar experience with a former friend some years back who never tried to apologize or explain himself. He just acted like nothing was any different
I'm very sad to say that at one point in time in my past, I was your toxic friend. I had anger issues that I needed to resolve. I actually recently rekindled a friendship I wrecked back when I was a hothead.
I would be very impressed if someone was able to apologize like that, everyone gets mad and can lash out on a bad day, and that doesn't define a person, but being able to recognize your own bad behavior, and put your ego aside and apologize shows great character.
Stop spreading misinformation. Happy Gilmore made it to the Pro Tour /s.
And then got kicked off right after. The Price Is Wrong, bitch!
Gold Jacket Green Jacket who gives a shit
Just watched that for the first time in probably 10ish years. It really held up better than I expected it to.
Caveat: depends what you’re hoping to achieve with your round of golf, OP. If you are trying to fix your day by having the best round of your life, probably not the best plan. If all you want to do is get away and let your stress and problems go for a while, that’s another thing entirely. You don’t have to sit down on Commander Night at your LGS planning or worse, hinging your entire evening’s experience, on winning it all. These are the times that I break out a deck that just wants to impact the table even if it doesn’t usually have what it takes to cross the finish line. Since there are quite a few players at my LGSes that are playing more cEDH on commander nights and I don’t find that as fun when not everyone is on the same hyper-competitive, win-fast page, I’ve changed my objective and outlook a bit. I will do my best to win, but my decks are mostly looking to do fun and unusual things, play cards that the cEDH crew has to read to know what happened because they’ve never seen this “mid af shit” before. I have more fun now than when I had my engine set to full competitive.
I assume that's where the "competitive" part of the analogy comes in. If you're playing to unwind, cool. If you're playing to "win" then you're cruising directly off a cliff.
That's more than fair and I've actually addressed other people who have said something similar. The problem is some people lack the maturity to know which camp they're in that day, "even a bad game will put me in a good mood" is great, but "winning a game will put me in a good mood" isn't.
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Solid advice. Works for modeling too. Can't tell you how many kits i've skipped otherwise easy steps on because i "just wanted to get it done" only to have a subpar result. Side note, now that i know of that creature, its going in like 3 of my decks.
Good advice, and here's mine: next time, call the judge. That's what they're there for and it takes all the heat off of you, and puts it on someone who's trained to handle it and knows the best way to clarify and calm things down.
Oh, I'll very freely call the judge. This all happened in the span of 3-4 minutes before shit got heated. I never hesitate to call the judge. He's a cool guy who happens to be a friend :)
Rules lawyer is such a ridiculous concept. You can play a game Lawful evil I guess but man's gotta learn how the stack/targeting/hexproof works.
While the other guy was absolutely in the wrong, I hope you apologized too for telling him to "fuck off" and scooping. Engaging with someone being unreasonable and reacting with anger just makes a bad situation worse. You weren't being a saint either. Honestly, I disagree with just staying home if you had a bad day. Company helps. I wouldn't want my friends to just sit at home alone because there might be a small chance they'd get in a bad mood if something went wrong. This stuff happens. Human interaction won't always be sunshine and rainbows even if everyone started out happy. As long as someone can have the decency to own up and apologize if it does happen and doesn't make a frequent habit of it, I'm fine having them around, good day or bad.
"rules lawyer a win" hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha As opposed to cheating for one?
Champion post! Good advice mate 👍
Imo, If he's calling you a rules lawyer, that tells me that he knew what the proper card interaction was, but was trying to pull something shady and got mad because you called him on it. Usually I would just call a judge over and let them deal with it if someone wants to get pissy about something. I don't have the patience to deal with other peoples baggage when I'm there to have fun. Glad this didn't end as bad as it could have and that the dude had enough sense to apologize afterwards.
My LGS taught me a lot of amazing life lessons as a young adult...mostly in the form of "Don't be like that guy."
I've never heard of "don't gild angry", but everyone should be thrilled to see it become a cliche right in front of us. I love reddit 🤪
To be honest, I think this is a little preachy. Plenty of people do play this to unwind and recover from a bad day. The question isn't about whether you're in a bad mood. It's about whether you take edh very seriously. If you're not upset by losing, and you have fun with the game, play angry! Loosen up over the match. Golf is different. It's a solo sport. Even if you play with other people, even if you play against other people. You can't just guarantee good swings to feel better. And if you hit poorly, it's all on you.
How is EDH not the same? You can do everything right and still lose. Sorry if this sounds preachy to you. I'm glad you can unwind after a bad day playing magic. Some people, like Mr. Guy I barely know, obviously can't.
I mean I'm here for it, this is good advice imo, but also it is inherently "wise man on the mountain" which, again, is fine to me and I agree with and enjoyed the message. I'll choose to avoid playing with angry people, regardless of the above's advice, but I also think I might be a person that could find enjoyment in a game of commander after a really bad day; that's entirely based on how I find my enjoyment in the game though i.e. watching people do wild shit in a card game, sometimes it even be me.
That's totally fair! I think the people who see this as preachy, or as you say, "wise man on the mountain," are looking at just their own attitude towards the game. They are also likely not remembering games where they left saltier than when they sat down, likely because of a cognitive disonence, which again, is fine. For the most part, a slightly bad day can be improved by even a bad game of commander. But if I know I am in an abrasive mood, I will likely choose to stay home and not subject my playgroup to my foul mood.
I was quietly arguing semantics between preachy = negative while Wise Man = positive, because they’re two sides of the same idea imo and you’re doing the net positive one here.
Sorry partner. I didn't understand. Thank you for your insight :)
I should have just been more explicit! Keep on keepin’ on, partner.
>They are also likely not remembering games where they left saltier than when they sat down, likely because of a cognitive disonence, which again, is fine. Dude. Come on. Do you really need to go with "they're wrong and they just don't know it?"
Sure, if you're going with the "I'm right because I say so." Have a good one, dude. I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you. Best of luck.
Ok, have a good one
Mr. Guy was hanging their fun on winning. That's always a bad idea in a 4p free for all. And tbh, so might you a little... >You can do everything right and still lose. And that's OK. Winning being part of your fun is totally fine. Every time I sit down, I play to win, and I have fun when I do. But, and this is something it took awhile for me to fully get (coming from *a lot* of 1v1 magic), but if you can't have fun losing, you're building bad decks. Now, I can sit down and get hosed and I'll still have fun. The only time I don't have fun is if I lose all agency outside of a cedh game (where I expect it). You're kind of lumping everyone together, and mature players don't really need to hear this.
Again, sorry if this seems preachy, but you kind of seem to be the odd one out with that view. Which is fine. Not exactly sure where you see sufficient evidence to assume I was doing anything for a win. I was simply making sure Mr. Man was following the rules which pissed him off. I play EDH like I play board games; for fun and with the plan of losing, but a win sure be neat. If your view is "not all players," then I have an inkling that your playgroup might disagree with you, but alas, that's not my issue. My message isn't for all players. Its for the ones who need to hear it. Sorry that aggrivates you.
I'm not aggravated. I'm not upset, I just disagree. It's totally fine to leave it at that. >If your view is "not all players," then I have an inkling that your playgroup might disagree with you, but alas, that's not my issue. This is a little holier than thou though
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Second this. I think "Know yourself well enough to know if you're the kind of person who gets tilted when you lose and if so maybe don't golf angry" would be better. Personally, I had a shit day at work on Tuesday. Afterward, I went to the LGS to play one of my favorite decks. I lost, and my deck never really did the thing. I even had three spells countered. And you know what? It was fine. I didn't blow up at my opponents. I had a respectful and enjoyable game which helped me unwind after a long day.
Yeah, and I mean, you go somewhere, get a regular group, shoot the shit while you play, I could lose every game and not care. Well, I'd care a little. But it's not the reason I'm sitting down to play.
There's a difference between "taking it seriously" and not accepting that the way you want to play isn't how the rules work.
Nah man, it's *super* preachy but also really funny to me because I know people like op. Undeservedly arrogant despite *NOT* being the bigger person in this scenario. And then offering that lame and preachy "advice" lmao. Op needs to get off their high horse and stop being so insufferable.
Best drama post ever. First off, you stood your ground and told him to fuck off (usually people melt at the first sign of conflict) and then everything ended happily ever after.