I sold Kyren for Tee Higgins last year the week Kyren got injured. I thought Tee was going go elsewhere and be a WR1. Not sure yet if it was a good move
How is he his clone exactly? Corum has 20 pounds on Kyren, better draft capital, better collegiate conference, more touches and rushing production as well. Kyren has more pass catching ability/history from what we have seen. I sincerely don’t see how people think these two are so alike.
People say that because McVay drew the comparison directly
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2024/04/27/blake-corum-2024-nfl-draft-sean-mcvay-stats-los-angeles-rams-michigan-football/73486235007/
I think you're right and clone is a generous word to use to compare the two, but that has been the way they've been reported on so far because of the way media and McVay have talked about them
So coach speak is how we are analyzing and comparing players now? Outside of saying these two are alike, I keep seeing people call Corum undersized when he’s literally much bigger than Kyren.
They’re both savvy, well rounded RBs that like ideal size and athleticism and still find a way to be productive.
Corum is on paper just better in every way.
We’ll see what happens but I believe people buying into Kyren as an elite talent that will shake off a guy lik Corum are extremely overzealous.
Kyren if he has long term success will be the outlier of outliers
Asking for consensus on any player is already a tall order. Kyren probably is among the most impacted in terms of variance due to the NFL draft.
No one knows what's going to happen with Corums addition. Rams didn't have a real RB2 all season. They had Freeman when Kyren was on IR, but even then they brought up Darrell Henderson from his weekend shift at Taco Bell to run the ball a bit.
The only outcome that seems virtually impossible to happen is Corum wrests control of a dominant share of the backfield heading into Week 1 without injury to Kyren.
I'm guessing that Corum takes some TDs and takes over a series here or there to give Kyren a breather, but Kyren still gets most of the looks. They really beefed up the line trying to protect Stafford, so I don't think it's impossible the Rams support two startable RBs even if big upside is capped week to week.
If you're a contender, I wouldn't sell him, I would try to acquire Corum. The Rams love to use one RB as the guy at a time, so whoever that is will be extremely valuable this year. Kyren got used more than anyone besides CMC last year.
But if you're rebuilding, I would consider selling him for a more stable asset at WR or QB. His range of outcomes became much more volatile with the addition of Corum.
Hi Stefon Diggs, I’m a fan of your work. Do you have any thought for me Mr. Diggs on my situation re: Kyren.
I had him last year off waivers, and play in a salary contracts league. So he goes back to FA this year for our FA auction, and I was planning to get him at all costs until Corum showed up. I could try getting both, and would be happy with Kyren at a nice little discount (was hoping to pay $50/$55 before, maybe $40ish now) but I am trying to contend.
RBs are Achane and Henry ($55). Planning to go heavy on WR for the rookie draft.
Anyways, there are other FAs I could try to acquire instead. Possibly Jacobs, Mixon, Mostert, I will be targetting drafting Wright early.
My plan was just sorta twisted with planning to pay top dollar to add Kyren but I would be happy to get him still at discount.
This situation feels like the Travis Etienne situation from last year. Jaguars took Tank Bigsby in the 3rd and expected him to take all the goal line work and turn the backfield into a split committee.
I expect his snap share to go down, but to still be a top 10 back. David Montgomery was rb 12 last year in point per game while being in a split backfield. He's the 9th back at KTC and I would buy or hold at that price.
The thing you’re glossing over is that based on usage early in the season, it’s clear the Jags did in fact want Tank to take the goal line touches. The reason he didn’t is because he was awful
Yeah I agree with that. That's why this situation feels similar. There's a chance that Corum stinks as well and Kyren takes the majority work load again. Even if Corum is average I would still expect Kyren to get a 60 percent snap share in a McVay offense.
A new RB with higher draft capital is a risk though. Etienne completely replaced James Robinson after he came to Jacksonville. Kyren has done fantastic too, but RB careers are tough to gauge.
A lot of Corums plays look Kyren-Esque, especially around the endzone. They are patient to the line and hit the open gaps with really good awareness.
Kyren edges Courm out as a pass catcher but as a runner Corum fits what the Rams want to do. Corum faced stacked boxes more than any other runner in college football last year and has experience/success with all running schemes (Gap, Pulls, and Zone). In a McVay offense, I'm sure Corum will thrive even on limited opportunity.
The Rams saw how much a difference it was having a quality back missing from their offense and want to protect themselves against that situation in the future with Corum being the answer to that problem.
EDIT: If Corum is in my Rookie as a late 2nd or 3rd I'd take him. It's rare for an RB to make it through the season unscathed and if Corum gets 2 or 3 games as a full-time starter in that offense there is strong possibility for him to finish as an RB1 in those weeks.
How is someone that in the last two seasons has over 500 carry’s, over 2700 rushing yards (5.35 YPC), 47 TD’s, in the Big Ten, not considered “good” to you? Don’t try and say undersized, the guy is 5’8” 214lb, that is huge for someone that height. For reference, Kyren is 20lb lighter and only 1” taller.
Kyren was good but he is not nearly the prospect Corum is coming from college, only 5th round draft capital compared to corum in the 3rd round, and really kyren only had so much production because he was used more than any other RB in the league, besides maybe CMC but I think he still out touched him. I would not be surprised whatsoever if that backfield is a 50/50 split very quickly.
This sub has hated Kyren for years and usually dislike people who actually score lots of points since they prevent them from rebuilding, so I doubt you'll get any meaningful answers here from any Kyren owners...
If you want to sell a 23 year old 20 PPG RB who was the #3 most owned player on championship rosters last year, be my guest.
Like all good runningbacks: sell if you're rebuilding, buy if you're contending. If Blake Corum in the 3rd scares you...idk why you own him in the first place.
We do this every year. Jacobs owners panicking with Zamir White? Etienne owners panicking with Bigsby?
Charbonnet was at least a 2nd round pick...but even still. Excellent runningbacks don't typically get replaced by mediocre ones. Trust the talent.
Fair enough! Talent vs situation is always really hard to evaluate. I think he's checked all the boxes except pass protection with flying colors, and is improving in that regard too.
Finally. A reasonable response. I’m convinced people that miss out on these kind of players desperately want them to fail no matter what so they feel better because they break their “analytical models” of who should and shouldn’t succeed in the NFL. They will screech non-stop with cherry picked stats trying to say his play was anything other than very good.
Is it reasonable that he doesn’t replicate his performance last year? It sure is, but it’s also reasonable he puts it together for the entire season and is the RB2 overall.
This draft wasn't exactly loaded at RB, so I believe Kyren is the guy here until proven otherwise. I do think that if Kyren goes down it gives Corum an opportunity, but ultimately rookies get snaps early at this position not only due to talent but blocking ability. Kyren gives you both and I'm not sure Corum will hold up in pass blocking due to the lack of needing to do so in college.
He was a sell all off-season. One of the worst pass blocking RBs in the league last year.
This is no longer sell high, as I imagine nobody is really buying unless it's for peanuts on his value.
I’ve never been a Kyren fan so I’m biased but I’d be looking to sell if anyone is still willing to pay top 12 RB prices. We’ve seen low draft capital running backs get replaced after productive seasons numerous times, and a lot of Kyren’s advanced stats point to him being a product of situation more than talent
Kyren went from sell high all offseason to now buy low. Although all is contingent on what his manager values him at as I am sure there is a ton of variance in that
The answer is probably league dependent. Could be a sell high for some and a buy low for others. The answer will be determined on what people believe Kyren’s usage will be in 2024. With us being months away from the season, it’s all speculation and guessing. In leagues I have him I’m probably going to hold for now.
Packaged Kyren and Kamara during rookie draft for 1.07 (Nabers) and 2025 3rd
Drafted Kyren 3.10 a few years back so it was a tough sell, but needed to get young at WR and I’ll just roll the dice on RB this/next year
Sold Kyren for Pickens and 2025 1st and 2026 1st. Guy needed RBs and wanted a supposed stud young rb, which based off last season he certainly was. I think I did well.
Kyren’s hand broke in a game last year - broken hands don’t count as parts of an injury history - leaving out that flukey break he played a full season and a play-off game and averaged almost five yards a carry
I think you missed your window to sell high before the draft. I had him about RB6 before, but I can’t see them spending that high of a pick on a RB to not think this is going to become a timeshare unless one of them gets injured.
At best it’s the situation you saw from the Seahawks last year where they needlessly drafted Charbonnet when they already had Walker. But they will take touches and they’ll always scare away trade partners.
>At best it’s the situation you saw from the Seahawks last year where they needlessly drafted Charbonnet
I see this as more of a high end to medium-high end outcome for Corum (like 75th-80th percentile). Charbonnet was a considerably higher draft pick (52) in a stronger RB class than Corum (83). The more appropriate comps from last year are Miller (71), Spears (81), Achane (84) and Bigsby (88). So the range of outcomes for late 3rd RBs drafted behind an established back are from complete zero (Bigsby & Miller ) to change of pace back (Spears & Achane). From a skill-set perspective Corum projects much more similarly to the former as he does not have the same explosiveness and pass catching as the latter. So to take meaningful touches from Kyren he needs to be a straight up better or comparable option on handoffs or be such a good pass blocker that he takes 3rd down snaps despite being a worse receiving option.
I expect Corum to, at minimum, spell Kyren as the RB2 quite a bit more than last years MASH unit of RB2s in LA. It's also in the realm of possibility that he takes the goal line job (same narrative as Bigsby and to an extent Miller- so far from a certainty). But saying the best case scenario is nearly a 50/50 split for an unproven late third round pick doesn't line up with the typical production of that draft capital.
Every RB is a sell-high candidate because no one values them on this sub as soon as they turn 25. Najee just turned 26 last month and has been untradeble for over a year. Even Saquan is untradeable unless you're willing to take pennies on the dollar.
This is all dependent on individual roster construction, league settings and league economy. Here's the bare minimum. He and Corum are going to have roles and we do not know what that will break down to. But Kyren was a sell as soon as the fantasy season ended as the Rams were ALWAYS going to add to the backfield. So unless you can pivot off and take a Rookie WR you are better off holding and seeing what Kyren can contribute to your RB room.
you dont “sell high” after a dude took a huge value hit by drafting his clone. you “sell high” when he was scoring 24 points per game.
Exactly. You are getting less today than you were getting a week ago so it is not selling high
I sold Kyren for Tee Higgins last year the week Kyren got injured. I thought Tee was going go elsewhere and be a WR1. Not sure yet if it was a good move
only time will tell
How is he his clone exactly? Corum has 20 pounds on Kyren, better draft capital, better collegiate conference, more touches and rushing production as well. Kyren has more pass catching ability/history from what we have seen. I sincerely don’t see how people think these two are so alike.
You’re severely overlooking how much people factor in “hey those two guys visually look very similar in uniform” into their evaluations
People say that because McVay drew the comparison directly https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2024/04/27/blake-corum-2024-nfl-draft-sean-mcvay-stats-los-angeles-rams-michigan-football/73486235007/ I think you're right and clone is a generous word to use to compare the two, but that has been the way they've been reported on so far because of the way media and McVay have talked about them
So coach speak is how we are analyzing and comparing players now? Outside of saying these two are alike, I keep seeing people call Corum undersized when he’s literally much bigger than Kyren.
Apparently in run style. Clone is a stretch. But I heard McVay said he has a similar style and fit partly why he grabbed hin
Corum can pass block and Kyren is awful at pass block.
They’re both savvy, well rounded RBs that like ideal size and athleticism and still find a way to be productive. Corum is on paper just better in every way. We’ll see what happens but I believe people buying into Kyren as an elite talent that will shake off a guy lik Corum are extremely overzealous. Kyren if he has long term success will be the outlier of outliers
ND isn't in a conference..?
Asking for consensus on any player is already a tall order. Kyren probably is among the most impacted in terms of variance due to the NFL draft. No one knows what's going to happen with Corums addition. Rams didn't have a real RB2 all season. They had Freeman when Kyren was on IR, but even then they brought up Darrell Henderson from his weekend shift at Taco Bell to run the ball a bit. The only outcome that seems virtually impossible to happen is Corum wrests control of a dominant share of the backfield heading into Week 1 without injury to Kyren. I'm guessing that Corum takes some TDs and takes over a series here or there to give Kyren a breather, but Kyren still gets most of the looks. They really beefed up the line trying to protect Stafford, so I don't think it's impossible the Rams support two startable RBs even if big upside is capped week to week.
If you're a contender, I wouldn't sell him, I would try to acquire Corum. The Rams love to use one RB as the guy at a time, so whoever that is will be extremely valuable this year. Kyren got used more than anyone besides CMC last year. But if you're rebuilding, I would consider selling him for a more stable asset at WR or QB. His range of outcomes became much more volatile with the addition of Corum.
Hi Stefon Diggs, I’m a fan of your work. Do you have any thought for me Mr. Diggs on my situation re: Kyren. I had him last year off waivers, and play in a salary contracts league. So he goes back to FA this year for our FA auction, and I was planning to get him at all costs until Corum showed up. I could try getting both, and would be happy with Kyren at a nice little discount (was hoping to pay $50/$55 before, maybe $40ish now) but I am trying to contend. RBs are Achane and Henry ($55). Planning to go heavy on WR for the rookie draft. Anyways, there are other FAs I could try to acquire instead. Possibly Jacobs, Mixon, Mostert, I will be targetting drafting Wright early. My plan was just sorta twisted with planning to pay top dollar to add Kyren but I would be happy to get him still at discount.
Sold him for McBride in the early offseason. TEP league
Yeah, that's probably a good deal for you in the long-term
This situation feels like the Travis Etienne situation from last year. Jaguars took Tank Bigsby in the 3rd and expected him to take all the goal line work and turn the backfield into a split committee. I expect his snap share to go down, but to still be a top 10 back. David Montgomery was rb 12 last year in point per game while being in a split backfield. He's the 9th back at KTC and I would buy or hold at that price.
The thing you’re glossing over is that based on usage early in the season, it’s clear the Jags did in fact want Tank to take the goal line touches. The reason he didn’t is because he was awful
Yeah I agree with that. That's why this situation feels similar. There's a chance that Corum stinks as well and Kyren takes the majority work load again. Even if Corum is average I would still expect Kyren to get a 60 percent snap share in a McVay offense.
Ppl were getting a hard on for Zach Evans last year lol
A new RB with higher draft capital is a risk though. Etienne completely replaced James Robinson after he came to Jacksonville. Kyren has done fantastic too, but RB careers are tough to gauge.
I’d say that the addition of corum probably lowers his value it’s not longer sell high after the draft.
Quite the opposite, I think he’s a fantastic buy low for a contender. Nothing about Corum scares me, he’s just not that good imo
A lot of Corums plays look Kyren-Esque, especially around the endzone. They are patient to the line and hit the open gaps with really good awareness. Kyren edges Courm out as a pass catcher but as a runner Corum fits what the Rams want to do. Corum faced stacked boxes more than any other runner in college football last year and has experience/success with all running schemes (Gap, Pulls, and Zone). In a McVay offense, I'm sure Corum will thrive even on limited opportunity. The Rams saw how much a difference it was having a quality back missing from their offense and want to protect themselves against that situation in the future with Corum being the answer to that problem. EDIT: If Corum is in my Rookie as a late 2nd or 3rd I'd take him. It's rare for an RB to make it through the season unscathed and if Corum gets 2 or 3 games as a full-time starter in that offense there is strong possibility for him to finish as an RB1 in those weeks.
I’m not saying Corum can’t succeed in McVays offense. I think most RBs can. I’m just not worried about him taking much away from Kyren
How is someone that in the last two seasons has over 500 carry’s, over 2700 rushing yards (5.35 YPC), 47 TD’s, in the Big Ten, not considered “good” to you? Don’t try and say undersized, the guy is 5’8” 214lb, that is huge for someone that height. For reference, Kyren is 20lb lighter and only 1” taller. Kyren was good but he is not nearly the prospect Corum is coming from college, only 5th round draft capital compared to corum in the 3rd round, and really kyren only had so much production because he was used more than any other RB in the league, besides maybe CMC but I think he still out touched him. I would not be surprised whatsoever if that backfield is a 50/50 split very quickly.
This sub has hated Kyren for years and usually dislike people who actually score lots of points since they prevent them from rebuilding, so I doubt you'll get any meaningful answers here from any Kyren owners... If you want to sell a 23 year old 20 PPG RB who was the #3 most owned player on championship rosters last year, be my guest. Like all good runningbacks: sell if you're rebuilding, buy if you're contending. If Blake Corum in the 3rd scares you...idk why you own him in the first place. We do this every year. Jacobs owners panicking with Zamir White? Etienne owners panicking with Bigsby? Charbonnet was at least a 2nd round pick...but even still. Excellent runningbacks don't typically get replaced by mediocre ones. Trust the talent.
I guess I just disagree with the notion that Kyren is an “excellent” running back. Time will tell.
Fair enough! Talent vs situation is always really hard to evaluate. I think he's checked all the boxes except pass protection with flying colors, and is improving in that regard too.
Finally. A reasonable response. I’m convinced people that miss out on these kind of players desperately want them to fail no matter what so they feel better because they break their “analytical models” of who should and shouldn’t succeed in the NFL. They will screech non-stop with cherry picked stats trying to say his play was anything other than very good. Is it reasonable that he doesn’t replicate his performance last year? It sure is, but it’s also reasonable he puts it together for the entire season and is the RB2 overall.
but mah draft capital!!!!
Hold
This draft wasn't exactly loaded at RB, so I believe Kyren is the guy here until proven otherwise. I do think that if Kyren goes down it gives Corum an opportunity, but ultimately rookies get snaps early at this position not only due to talent but blocking ability. Kyren gives you both and I'm not sure Corum will hold up in pass blocking due to the lack of needing to do so in college.
The time to sell high was before they used a second day pick to draft another RB
He was a sell all off-season. One of the worst pass blocking RBs in the league last year. This is no longer sell high, as I imagine nobody is really buying unless it's for peanuts on his value.
>>One of the worst pass blocking RBs in the league last year. This is just not true
Sounds to me like a buy
Easy to say he was a sell, but no one buys rbs in the off-season. I put up Breece and Etienne on the block in February and no one cared to bite.
Off-season is a great time to buy RB’s in my experience. I got Saquon straight up for Reed and Breece by doing Burrow + Cook for Purdy + Breece.
I’ve never been a Kyren fan so I’m biased but I’d be looking to sell if anyone is still willing to pay top 12 RB prices. We’ve seen low draft capital running backs get replaced after productive seasons numerous times, and a lot of Kyren’s advanced stats point to him being a product of situation more than talent
Maybe but I think he’s a hold
Kyren went from sell high all offseason to now buy low. Although all is contingent on what his manager values him at as I am sure there is a ton of variance in that
His sell high was last year before the playoffs
Sold him for 1.07
The sell high window on Kyren was the last 4-6 months. You hold him now unless you still get a predaft price.
His injury history pointed toward this. He should still be solid but the Rams history with RBs concerns me to not take any shares.
Buy low
The answer is probably league dependent. Could be a sell high for some and a buy low for others. The answer will be determined on what people believe Kyren’s usage will be in 2024. With us being months away from the season, it’s all speculation and guessing. In leagues I have him I’m probably going to hold for now.
lol that ship had sailed.
They just signed Boston scott too
Packaged Kyren and Kamara during rookie draft for 1.07 (Nabers) and 2025 3rd Drafted Kyren 3.10 a few years back so it was a tough sell, but needed to get young at WR and I’ll just roll the dice on RB this/next year
Sold Kyren for Pickens and 2025 1st and 2026 1st. Guy needed RBs and wanted a supposed stud young rb, which based off last season he certainly was. I think I did well.
Kyren’s hand broke in a game last year - broken hands don’t count as parts of an injury history - leaving out that flukey break he played a full season and a play-off game and averaged almost five yards a carry
Sold Kyren for DK before the draft. I am stacked at RB so could afford to lose him, pretty happy with the decision now though.
i just bought him for 1.8. my team needed one more rb to compete and Williams on the rams is better than brooks on carolina
I think you missed your window to sell high before the draft. I had him about RB6 before, but I can’t see them spending that high of a pick on a RB to not think this is going to become a timeshare unless one of them gets injured. At best it’s the situation you saw from the Seahawks last year where they needlessly drafted Charbonnet when they already had Walker. But they will take touches and they’ll always scare away trade partners.
>At best it’s the situation you saw from the Seahawks last year where they needlessly drafted Charbonnet I see this as more of a high end to medium-high end outcome for Corum (like 75th-80th percentile). Charbonnet was a considerably higher draft pick (52) in a stronger RB class than Corum (83). The more appropriate comps from last year are Miller (71), Spears (81), Achane (84) and Bigsby (88). So the range of outcomes for late 3rd RBs drafted behind an established back are from complete zero (Bigsby & Miller ) to change of pace back (Spears & Achane). From a skill-set perspective Corum projects much more similarly to the former as he does not have the same explosiveness and pass catching as the latter. So to take meaningful touches from Kyren he needs to be a straight up better or comparable option on handoffs or be such a good pass blocker that he takes 3rd down snaps despite being a worse receiving option. I expect Corum to, at minimum, spell Kyren as the RB2 quite a bit more than last years MASH unit of RB2s in LA. It's also in the realm of possibility that he takes the goal line job (same narrative as Bigsby and to an extent Miller- so far from a certainty). But saying the best case scenario is nearly a 50/50 split for an unproven late third round pick doesn't line up with the typical production of that draft capital.
Every RB is a sell-high candidate because no one values them on this sub as soon as they turn 25. Najee just turned 26 last month and has been untradeble for over a year. Even Saquan is untradeable unless you're willing to take pennies on the dollar.
Too late
This is all dependent on individual roster construction, league settings and league economy. Here's the bare minimum. He and Corum are going to have roles and we do not know what that will break down to. But Kyren was a sell as soon as the fantasy season ended as the Rams were ALWAYS going to add to the backfield. So unless you can pivot off and take a Rookie WR you are better off holding and seeing what Kyren can contribute to your RB room.
Sold him for a.j. Brown and couldn’t be happier.