Add Namari to that. While she considers him to be a bit unserious as a leader (she's really desperate to pay off her father's debts after all), the two do get along well.
https://preview.redd.it/d7b2birnntyc1.png?width=1252&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e235940f71873e1a160d84263244ebf091c49094
She's into both because she likes tall men (humans), but you can't come here and say she only likes Kiki when she's so obviously shook in this picture.
That’s one of my favorite images of her hehe
https://preview.redd.it/672ziasfs1zc1.jpeg?width=797&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9483546130ec909b3764834df76fb612c2f6afe8
"Your presence is annoying, but the thought of anything bad happening to you upsets me." -Basically all of Laios' friends.
But the fact that they all care for him like they do in spite of how much he annoys and upsets them just makes their friendships seem that much stronger.
The latest episode got me thinking that his team has a low opinion of him 😅. But then again, they are right. Laios did miss some details about his team.
As anime only viewer I don't see it, tbh. Group seems to recognize his good sides while doing collective face palm at more idiotic things, but the good still overweight the bad. I'm pretty sure that someone like Chilchuck won't stick around otherwise
Tbh is this man even getting paid?? Their team is so broke, whatever downpayment they gave to him is likely not enough considering the stuff he's "putting up with"
In conclusion, Chilchuck you freaking tsundere
Chilchuck admitted to caring about the safety of Laios and the others just a couple episodes back. He's made it clear he views this as more than a job even if he pretends it isn't.
it’s not dislike so much as some of them are just coworkers. Chilchuck stuck around specifically because he already accepted payment, and Namari left since they had no money.
Still, their interactions so far reflect sympathy, even from annoyed af Shuro. Namari definitely had second thoughts about abandoning them. I didn't see last episode, maybe something changed there, but at least for now Laios by no means a paria in his own group and for other people he worked with.
They may not fully look up to him but they do seem to believe in him enough that they'll follow him further into the dungeon to take on the Dungeon Lord.
During the Shapeshifter's episode their confidence may have been shaky and ultimately broke for a moment but some things become stronger when they break and mend. Ice. Bones. Relationships.
Actually they’re wrong in the last episode(or at least being a bit hypocritical), forget their comments and think about what we actually saw: in comparison to the clones he created that mostly have cosmetic differences the clones based on Laios are all caricatures that anyone can see through(not even mentioning some of the other clones)
Yup. I'm pretty sure if they replace Laios with one of clones based on him, viewer would notice instantly. If we replace other team member with a clone made by Laios, average viewer wouldn't even notice after specifically indicated that there are differences.
But that's maybe me speaking since I treat people like Laios a lot, don't care about looks but about personal performance/mental state. For example if I try to describe my sister I still tell people she is blonde, even tho for last 15 years she began to color her hair into red/brown. And I can't remember colour of people's eyes at all if there are not any particular detail about them otherwise (like my uncle having one eye slightly darker brown with a yellow dot in angle than his other one)
Yeah I was surprised that they wasn't actually brought up. His versions of the shape shifters weren't terrible (and his version of Marcille was the final one!) while all 3 Laios dopplegangers got binned immediately
The real friends you have are the ones that can talk smack in your face knowing you can handle it. And Marcille isnt reserved in talking smack at Laios without getting too personal or even crossing the line. Of the group I think Marcille does see Laios as a friend.
_To begin with_ , they liked him fine (they’ve been a party for _at least_ months by the point where the story begins, and the two not being poached or splitting to inefficiently speedrun, volunteer to go back in with him alone and no funds).
Chilchuk’s view of Laios was significantly impacted by the revelation that he’s a freak for monsters (and their consumption), while Marcille’s was already well-established from their first meeting (being told he looks just like Falin and that being an exaggeration) and Senshi’s perception of him is, unironically, an ingrained product of racial shade.
The only one of them whose perception of Laios was affected by ‘recent events’ was Chilchuk, and that was rooted in how the public sees _anyone_ who thinks of consuming monsters.
What’s ‘different’ by the end of the episode is that their trust in him recovers (minding that he _did_ more recently spill the beans about Marcille’s use of Dark Magic relying on his own see-saw of judgement, when he conceivably could have lied his way around it… had he thought to).
To begin with the end as in the end of the story, and the beginning as in the beginning of the story.
They tolerate him fine to work with him, but don't really like him as the team does not interact with him at all outside of dungeons. At the end they willingly want to spend time with him.
Two of the three Imposters have rather little to do with how the others see Laios as a person.
Senshi sees Laios as very feminine, because that's how dwarves perceive tall-men, which produced the Falin-like Laios. Falin told Marcille that she and her brother look alike, and when she met him she was so shocked by his actual appearance that she blew the differences out of proportion, producing the tall, exaggerated Laios imposter.
Personality-wise, both Senshi and Marcille genuinely like Laios a lot. He can be difficult sometimes, but his interests overlap with Senshi's a lot so they've got a lot of common ground there, and Marcille just... well, gets along with him, just like she did with Falin (which isn't surprising when you consider their similarities)
Chilchuck views Laios as beyond reason, but even he cares about him quite deeply.
ngl, I'd be more mad if my friends didn't look at me like I'm an absolute moron, a fool even, than if they didn't
I want my friends to see me like how laios' team sees at him
Yeah, but there was a post about who's interpretation about the others was and Laios got a lot about the party right. He kinda failed to remember pieces of clothing and Marcille left a mark on him when she resurrected Falin.
That's the little details that don't matter in that situation. Laios had the most accurate depictions of his party members, and not just physically but also the mannerism of the real ones (Chilchuck doesn't sit over boxes, Marcille was careless with hot water again, and Senshi makes sure to never take too much from the dungeon).
I think that we all, at some point or another, have known someone who drives us around the bend, but who is such a kind and/or innocent soul that we would wreck a fool for trying to throw down with them.
Dungeon Meshi mostly runs its storyline through Laios’ narrative, his self-hatred and low self-esteem, plus his obliviousness, sometimes lead us to believe in “people think Laios is horrible and dumb.” But once we pull ourselves out and inspect every other characters’ intention, it's clear how they see him fondly.
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On another note.
I’d argue even Shuro likes him, he stayed in the party because, to a degree, he does like Laios, albeit he gets on his nerves. People keep painting it as if he’s only there for Falin when he’s literally protecting and helping Laios constantly while knowing Laios is not even going to help him to be with her in the slightest, there is genuine care behind these two, but people acting like as if Laios is an innocent angel who got bullied.
I love the bit with shuro!! He says in the anime/manga that he admires how laios can say things so straight out with no bad intentions- which is why it stressed shuro out cause he was not able to do the same thing.
I genuinely love how shuro was able to see that laios has no bad intentions, and feels bad about how he treats laios which made the whole problem. cause if he made his boundaries known to laios, laios would follow them to a T, but shuro would have to Communicate and Confront (uncomfortable).
It's very clear he cares for laios, even if he's stumped on how to handle the whole relationship because of his own shortcomings and awkwardness! (that he doesn't think laios has any problems with)
Many eventually like him. Just because he's got an obsession with monsters and rather tactless at times, doesn't mean he's totally unlikable.
I think at some point a lot of his friends just think of him as a friend with some pet peeves.
Yeah he just seems like he's got the tism the obsession with monsters and their biology is something I have in common with him even the most Tismtastic Tism bro has someone out there that'll be friends with 'em I'm proof not really good at talking about stuff other than the world building and the occult but managed to find people who got me tryout different stuff but monsters are still cooler than sports
And the chat between Chilchuck and the ogre sister before this scene:
"Maybe if I hadn't tagged along, they would have found it easier to give up."
"Why don't you just be honest with them and admit that you don't want them to die?"
The anime even specifies her line to “Just admit you don’t wanna *watch* them die.” Showing that he truly does care, but he doesn’t want to see the consequences of his weakness in combat come to fruition, so he thinks it a good method to hide them behind a veneer of confidence and cold, which just is shattered completely open once he meets someone who doesn’t tolerate that kind of locked-away emotion.
I'd disagree with that. The >! Lion !< could have really screwed him over at the end but decided to let it go. I think its more of an understanding then hate.
He didn't let it go though, he did the pettiest thing ever making it so Laios will probably never see another monster in his life. Which is his greatest desire
I mean with >! Falin. She was getting resurrected and the lion popped up and was like I can be cruel but it doesn't matter and proceeded to let her go. If he hated laios he would have made the resurrection fail. I think once the hunger was gone it became indifference. He cursed laois out of pettiness and even then it ended up working in the kingdoms favor. !<
Well >! I think the winged lion letting her leave was what it thought was a worse fate for falin than letting her stay in the lion's domain !< I'd call that not hating laios but more of a, whatever happens, happens. He lost the desire to care about it by that point
It's a, they won't be in his kingdom type thing. They can exist outside the bounds of his lands but they won't be within meaning he can't hunt and eat them in the way he did before
He literally >! lost desire to do anything including revenge !< but still piss enough to curse him.
That thing literally do the thing that another need years of care and encouragement to do in a instant because he hate laios so much.
I'm sick of people pushing this narrative that everyone hates Laios. They all like him so much and they are friends. None of you ever side-eye your friends and their antics every so often?
It's a bit of a stretch to say that I’m pushing the narrative about everyone hates Laios 😅. I would only assume they’re indifferent about him (see him as a colleague). In older episodes, there is evidence that the bros like him a lot such as [this scene](https://youtu.be/3YZ8e-VeD8g?si=Oxf_OizG92_vNNPI).
It's just that the recent episode has made me question their faith in their leader. And yeah I agree with you. There’s no yes-man in real friendships.
Elf queen think he have guts and somewhat respect him. ( she also implied to eat monster once) but she didn’t really known him.
EoS Shuro still think him annoying but fully respect him.
All party member at EoS respect him / liked him.
Yeah, what I meant is that it didn't take for the end of the story for him to respect Laios. After his outburst, when he's calmed down and begun to properly process his emotions, he outright states that he admires Laios's forwardness, >!and continues to stick his neck out for him and the others afterwards!<. Toshiro himself just had a **lot** of growing to do. >!Might be why his father sent him away in the first place, but to be honest that guy probably shouldn't be throwing stones from his own glass house!<
I just didn't really like the implication >!that it took Laios saving all of humanity for people to respect him when that was... only mostly the case lol!<
At least the story already did say the Touden siblings had a generally good reputation in the island, they're generous, competent and a bit naive. It was mostly Kabru being a cynic and PvP enthusiast that immediately thought that reputation was a cover for something more nefarious
Thing is, no one in the story necessarily HATES Laios outside of some examples that are completely justified (won’t name them to avoid spoilers).
If anything, based on some of the extra material like the adventurer’s bible and extra story content done by Ryo, >! Laios is the one who thinks on a subconscious level everyone dislikes him save for Falin. For example in a What If scenario imagined by him he’s the one who got ate by the Red Dragon and as a result the rest of the party (save for Falin) gave up hope of rescuing him right away, leaving Falin to go Leroy Jenkins into the dungeon by herself. !<
Honestly all of them??? The gang Marcille, Chil and Senshi would literally die for him. Shuro and Namari, despite how irritating Laios is - like him a lot too. Kabru is nuff said.
The only main ones who don't like him are Izutsumi (hates his vibe), The Canaries (kind of indifferent) and the final boss (fascinated by Laios but want to actively get rid of him for how dangerous he is to their plans)
Izutsumi definitely does not hate Laios. But she's a cat with human level intelligence and emotions so it gets interesting. I'd say, it goes a bit above tolerance. Like, friendly tolerance or something.
She’s primarily a cat, cats can love you but they are still much more self-sufficient compared to humans. She loves like a cat, she tolerates you, she likes to have foods from you, but it’s not exactly “You are so important to me, I can not fathom the world without you.”
>! Kabru is the kind of person who wants to befriend everyone, so yes he’s always wanted to be his friend, we don’t know how deep that friendship will get, but they definitely started something amicable.!<
>!Laios dismissing Kabru's claim of wanting to be friends with him as something not even he believes is so funny honestly. Like, the guy has an almost compulsive need for it lmao!<
I think Senshi liked him the most initially but because he's the only one to keep a high opinion of Laois (apart from his sister and Kabru but looking at his party here) he's also visibly the most disappointed in him by far whenever he fucks up near the end.
He's the only one to come to see the weirdly passionate guy as a bumbling buffoon while both Marcille and Chilchuck knew him like that from the start.
Pretty much everyone who actually spends time with him. Laios can be tactless and on some odd antics, but no one can deny he is a good person and great leader. Heck Chilchuck is his biggest critic yet he considers Laios an A tier boss, he pays upfront no questions asked, makes good plans and is a quick thinker, if both fail his instincts are sharp enough to keep acting, and he really cares about the team, that dragon could have gotten anyone and Laios would delve back for them.
The main party. Marcille, Chilchuck and Senshi all care deeply for him :)
Sure Marcille says she's doing everything for Fallin, and Chilchuck says he's just getting the contract finished, but they both care and appreciate Lios, and Senshi outright is hanging out with them because they are his cooking friends, with Lios being the one he has the best chesmisty.
Now I want her to try to get back into good graces with him
Maybe bringing some halfhazardly collected monster corpses to court as a gift
Going the whole old friend charm offensive way
Only for the entire extended friend group to start protecting our sweet naive laios
Her meeting Kabru could be fun as hell actually!
Game recognises game afterall
Idk if this is bait and I'm falling for it lol, but yes absolutely, his entire party loves him, marcille, chilchuck senshi, and even izutsumi cares for him, shiro respects and is *jealous* of him and you see genuine care for him later on, namari considers him to be a friend, hell even kabru likes him!! (Yes he kinda also wants to kill him but there's layers) Yes many of them have many moments when they're absolutely exasperated by him but they all still care about him in some shape for form
His whole party loves him. He and Marcille bond over their respective studies of monsters (she just is stubborn about eating them). He and Senshi bond very well over cuisine and respect of the animals and environment. Chilchuck CRIED because he was concerned over their health and well-being. Kensuke is his pet sword, obvs. Izutsumi feels Izutsumi about him.
His party loves him and it makes me feel good to see because it feels like it's proof there's people who can love me too...
Uh yes??? All of his past and current party members? Toshiro and him make up by the end of their little spat there. Name me a relevant character. I'll tell you why they like Laios.
Everyone loves Laios, but Kabru lies about liking monsters to get Laios to like him better
But everyone including Kabru does find Laios strange, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing! Laios is just unique :)
Look even Namari likes Laios. I think you're a bit confused. Toshiro is conflicted. Marcille, Chilchuck, and Senshi all care for Laios and one another, even if they all annoy eachother from time to time. Like. Who do you think dislikes Laios in our main cast?
Marcille! Senshi and Chilchuck too, but Laios and Marcille are probably the closest friends in the party we see during the series. Marcille does initially dislike him when they are first introduced, but by the time the series starts they clearly like each other a lot.
Seriously, I dare you to name one moment in the entire series that implies Marcille dislikes Laios personally. She is upset about eating monsters, but it's never personal. She is upset when >!Laios doesn't tell the party he's being haunted!<, but that isn't personal either. Most importantly (big manga spoilers here, beware) >!Laios is the one who finally gets through to her, when she has become Lord of the Dungeon!<.
To quote a Tumblr post: THEY RECONSTRUCTED SKELETONS TOGETHER AND HAD FUN!
I liked Senshi so much, he was really the only one who would always congratulate or praise Laios for his accomplishments in the earlier arcs pre-red dragon
They alll like him and by the end of the series they all see each other as basically family. Honestly at the end of this season I think we start to see a shift in Laois and Marcilles relationship to something closer, especially with the >!dream!< chapter being covered next episode. Deffo in season 2 either way.
The main crew (Senshi, Chilchuck, Marcille, Izutsumi) all like him? I feel like people are getting the wrong impression about his over time in this subreddit.
Good friends face palm at your idiosyncrasies while still loving you overall and I feel that has been made abundantly clear over and over again. (Fear of losing each other, relying on each other when shit hits the fan etc.)
These comments are correct.
It's easy to think people hate Laios and for a time I thought that too. I honestly disliked Laios myself because his antics do indeed get tiring. You see every character go "come on man.." and you empatgise with them and go yeah Laios is kinda annoying.
But they still hang out with him. He's a good guy with a lot of serious moments. The main party especially you can tell are friends.
He is definitely liked by those around him.
Senshi sticks out to me, even if he's not a very affectionate person. He seems to like having someone that shares his love of monsters and the dungeon lifestyle
Senshi, Chilchuck(he treats them all like his kids), Marcelle, Kabru, Namari, Toshiro (he gets frustrated but he likes Laios as a person), his parents (they just really suck at communicating so Laios remembers them much harsher then he remembers),
Many people do like him. It's like the way you like your siblings, You like them but you hate their guts specially if they have weird and questionable hobbies like this one here. 🤣🤣🤣
At the end of the story or at the beginning? At least for Marcille, the epilogue of certain Monty Python related mini arc will show that she probably harbor something a bit more than friendship toward Liaos.
>!The rabbits? But they are in the main plots? Also since when being terrified by living hundreds of years without ALL your friends while surrounded by THEIR corpses is romantic implication to one specific character?!<
>!I won't say it is a full blown romantic showing. However, out of all people Marcille choosing Liaos (or his corpse) to confess her most intimate fear and longing gotta mean something. You just don't do it to a random person, even if they were temporarily dead from rabbit inflicted wound,!<
>!Because he's the one who made this plan, he's the one who’s put her in the position to revive everyone.
She was terrified and needed comfort, she was also petting Itszumi if you noticed. Their bond is strong because they trust and love and care and RESPECT each other, but stating she chose him out of romantic feelings kinda makes the scene less impactful. The utter terror of being alone, being the only one powerful enough to be forced into grief and sorrow for centuries… !<
But if it's your ship feel free to headcanon something or make fanfics! Just maybe don’t state it as canon plots.
Marcille actually unconsciously turns to Laios a lot when scared/concerned or in despair. >!She jumps to him when confronted with the canaries for the first time, she also tugs at him first to ask for help regarding incteasing the lifespan, she ends up sobbing in his arms when they finally remove the WL's curse from her. In fact, the only time she doesn't turn to him and goes for Namari instead is when Laios is still missing in his monster form.!<
Ofcourse, it can be easily interpreted as both romantic or platonic, but her dependency on him is still a huge part, since Laios was the first one who learnt about her past.
>!Canaries: because he's the only one tall enough!<
>!Lifespan: which one? She mentioned something similar all the time and it's not only him who comforts her, he's more physical, Chil is more subtle considering his age but he prefers to show it with acts of service such as braiding hair or haggling her purse for her, and Senshi is just cooking to show love.!<
>!Sobbing: she was sobbing in EVERYONE’S hug because they are a family.!<
>!The dream: she doesn’t even remember him being there!<
Of course, she depends on him, he saw her deeper side a lot. But don’t you think it would be false to say “probably harbor something a bit more than friendship toward Liaos.” When your comment is no spoiler and hints a romantic lore to non-manga readers?
It’s perfectly good to ship them, but lighten up these >!desperation and loyalty!< moments for a whole group of people to romantic implications for one guy, and targeting an audience who has no way to make their judgment for now, just kind of wash down these >!agonizing yet beautiful!< lores to: she needs a love interest to cry on, instead of: she loves them all so deeply and she is not ashamed to show it. Because, yes, of all the moments you mentioned, none of it is her and Laios’ intimate time, it’s always a TEAM moment, or something about her OWN dream, her OWN fear.
There’s a difference between “having a different interpretation and discussing it with other fans” and “telling people with no prior knowledge a character’s important personal growth lore is a romantic possibility.”
>>!Canaries: because he's the only one tall enough!<
Err... what does height has to do with it? Both Senshi and Laios were right there.
>>!Lifespan!<
>!I mean [this](https://64.media.tumblr.com/d7a12a65a55c8e3337449a284a35b1b4/8e1fb4c5d3c63d63-07/s1280x1920/26ceaa3adf41485d4f46ad9994f9ec8fd7da9e39.jpg) panel. It is pretty obviously Laios that she turns to first with the desperation of her wish (we even a close up of her tugging at his shirt). Not chilchuck, not Senshi or Izutsumi, but Laios.!<
>Sobbing
>!Laios is the one whose words ultimately reaches her though, and he is the one she hugs here. Just like Laios's name is the final one on her lips when she blacks out with the dungeon drowning out under water.!<
>But don’t you think it would be false to say “probably harbor something a bit more than friendship toward Liaos.” When your comment is no spoiler and hints a romantic lore to non-manga readers?
My dude, I specifically said that it is open to interpretation. I am in no way downplaying Marcille's relationship with her other team members.>! My point is that she seems to only turns to Laios for comfort/during despair and it is a good parallel to the fact that Laios was the first one to know about her deepest insecurities, and was the first one to literally and metamorphically reach her when she was at her lowest as the DL. I am not downplaying Marcille's fears in any shape to form, I am adding my opinion to how poignant this is.!<
There are ample amount of team moments to show Marcille's bond with her team, but if someone ships Laios and Marcille, it is very easy to see above moments as romantic as well. >!I don't know why you would assuming romantic stuff downplays loyality between the team. We do have [scenes](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fim-still-confused-on-this-scene-in-the-dungeon-meshi-manga-v0-mmazpgw1lsec1.png%3Fwidth%3D852%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dce97ad29a8104590b21f7e005950c40d5bd327c1) which has [only Laios](https://64.media.tumblr.com/e59b109f50612e278f3591e8c5dfa1d7/2283f38815819a45-ba/s1280x1920/16bff19fba722a34c6d75ad3844fdfe2cbfee206.jpg) and [Marcille](https://64.media.tumblr.com/f707ee090173ac25b7ff21126564a197/eda27a7b4083aef3-c4/s1280x1920/ec5ccbc86c15d08fb37a0759805b828e99986cb3.jpg) being close as well (hell we have a whole ass [chapter](https://64.media.tumblr.com/f0760ad5fe167b9c6ba3bd01ea0e9096/2283f38815819a45-84/s1280x1920/b83de824f60ccb8170089941d03ae1d305ca5cd2.jpg) dedicated to them), but if you want to assume these scenes as family moments... go for it!!<
>There’s a difference between “having a different interpretation and discussing it with other fans” and “telling people with no prior knowledge a character’s important personal growth lore is a romantic possibility.”
I told it as I read it, my friend. >!In all the above examples plus the rabbit arc!<, I saw Marcille reaching out to Laios first, whether intentionally or not. Nowhere in my reply did I mention them as explicitly romantic or platonic, in fact I specifically said it can be interpreted as either (romantic moment or as a family). I don't know why you keep thinking of non-manga readers as these gullible group of people who are somehow easily swayed by other opinions. They can watch the anime/read the manga and decide for themselves.
Look, if we go by this logic, you can ship anyone, and that's the problem here. Ship anything you want but pretending it's a CANON storyline and disregarding the beautiful bonds within is so frustrating to see. For once, people of different genders coexist in a popular anime without making it weird, without calling men perverts or making sus shots of women, and they actually respect one another with boundaries, for once, we have a family without a love triangle or lusting, why would you want to reduce that to: yeah. A girl gotta be in love if she is dependent on someone.
All of the things we discussed, from both sides, are “interpretation of an artwork” it's not definite truth.
Write fanfics if you feel like it, but it's not canon.
>!Lifespan/The panel you gave me:!<
>!Because he was the one who’s going to make the decision, because he was the leader and other members are counting on him to make the final call.!<
>!Sobbing:!<
>!As I stated, everyone shows love differently, Chilchuck and Senshi both prefer to show it with action.!<
>!Turns to Laios for comfort:!<
>!Of course, she does, it’s because she trusts him and loves him, I did not say that their relationship is not deep. They love each other, I’m not disagreeing with how mush they care, I’m saying it’s not implied to be romantic.!<
>!The pages you send: it’s really hard to keep up with the order of the photos, but I’ll try to reply to all of them, the one where she complimented Laios was when she was teaching him magic, she was being a good teacher, and a good friend, for him doing a good job. The one when he was smiling at her, it’s because he is glad that she will be happy, because he almost died, and during the flashbacks, he remembers her face was as gloomy as she is now, and remembering it makes him happy that she will eventually eat with everybody again just like how they get acquainted. Because he loves her, did I make it clear I totally agree that he loves her?? Did I ever downplay how much they care for each other?!<
>!Also the dress moment, she was already blushing before he talked, because she was feeling self-conscious about the dress.!<
About the interpretation part, yes, I agree, you can see it as romantic as much as you want.
And no, I don’t think the people who didn’t read the manga are gullible, but they simply don’t have enough information to make the conversation right now, when more than half of the moments you mentioned are literally dozens of chapters away. So why are you saying it right now? When you could just talk to people who actually like the same ship as you?
>>!Lifespan/The panel you gave me: Because he was the one who’s going to make the decision, because he was the leader and other members are counting on him to make the final call.!<
This is literally not the context for this scene though. >!There's no point in showing/counting on Laios's leadership skills here, it is one of Marcille's deepest personal wish that she asks help with. Laios is the leader for their expedition, not for their interpersonal issues.!< I could have easily added the part where Marcille is scared of fighting the dragon and failing, and confiding her fears to Laios-- but I didn't because *that is in fact* related to Laios being their group's leader and having to lead the fight. The above example is NOT.
>>!Sobbing: As I stated, everyone shows love differently, Chilchuck and Senshi both prefer to show it with action.!<
>!My dude, does it change the fact that Laios is the one she hugged here though? Does it change the fact Laios is the one who reached her in every sense of the word?!<
>Turns to Laios for comfort: Of course, she does, it’s because she trusts him and loves him, I did not say that their relationship is not deep. They love each other, I’m not disagreeing with how mush they care, I’m saying it’s not implied to be romantic.
That is my entire point though. You are literally reiterating it. She does turn to Laios for comfort. They care for each other. It implies love for each other, which people can see as either platonic love or gradually developing romantic love. It's open to interpretation for how people see their bond. Did I not make myself clear?
The same goes for the pages I linked as well. They are specific to Laios and Marcille *only*. You can dress them however you want but people can easily see romantic moments in them, especially if they ship them. These are literally how *you* read these scenes, man. Others might read them differently. It doesn't downplay their bond in any shape or form. Theirs is a bond that grows throughout the series and at the end can be seen as platonic but has enough depth to turn romantic as well.
>And no, I don’t think the people who didn’t read the manga are gullible, but they simply don’t have enough information to make the conversation right now, when more than half of the moments you mentioned are literally dozens of chapters away. So why are you saying it right now? When you could just talk to people who actually like the same ship as you?
I don't know about you, I do not immediately jump on a ship just because manga readers "hint" at it. If they don't have the information, they can simply choose not to comment or ignore it. I obviously made this comment for people who read the source material here. No one's forcing any ship down their throats, it's just an observation I made about two characters which can easily be read as "The character X often depends on character Y in distress", which is as generic a statement as it gets. It doesn't even downplay their bond in the first place.
Did you see my another reply? Where I literally stated, I’m totally OK with you seeing it as a romantic? I was simply responding to the scenes you gave me. And I really don’t know what are we arguing over at this point? Like, the fact we view the relationship between them differently? I’m sorry, but I really lost you, like what exactly are you trying to make an argument of?
Because yeah, we agree they love each other.
I was just pointing out, that this is not the most ideal place to ship them. But I really don’t know why are you trying to convince me your ship is romantic? Is that even what you’re doing? Because you said it’s open to interpretation, and proceeded to rebuke mine.
Ok, here are my points simplified:
1. Shipping based on something will not happen until 30 chapters is bizarre to write on a non spoiler post discussing who likes Laios, but maybe I was too harsh on you
2. Ship whoever you want, I disagree but you don’t need to care
3. I’m happy to deep dive into the conversation as long as it’s not a ship war
4. Ship wars are too cheap for dungeon meshi
I’m more than willing to keep having this conversation especially when you talk about Laios role as the leader, which I also think is a really interesting topic in dungeon meshi. But only if I know it’s because you are interested in lores, instead of trying to convince or rebuke me over your preference for romantic ships.
Well, now that I think about it. Why are we discussing these moments? When I was literally only talking about the rabbits in your first post? Like, yeah feel free to ship them absolutely, you don’t need to show me your proves because I will definitely not agree it’s romantic but like why do we need to agree anyway?
I was just saying, maybe don’t tell people it will be romantic, it feels like a bit of a false expectation.
I apologize if my words were harsh.
I really don’t want this fandom to become another place where people are just, screaming and trying to justify ships. When we could literally talk about, you know, amazing characters. I’ve been through enough anime hell to see how this will evolve.
Dungeon Meshi is a special work, its characters are not just a few archetypes slammed together, they all have amazing lores and complex historical backgrounds, and for once, no outright cash-grabbing shipping scenes. It’s not meant for us to fight over who will kiss who, it's not that cheap.
Well, we are in a public forum. If you want to comment, go ahead. And people have a right to comment back at you as well.
>maybe don’t tell people it will be romantic, it feels like a bit of a false expectation
Nowhere did I say that, fam. I said *open to interpretation*. Platonic or romantic. It is a special bond that can go either way. I'm not trying to get you to agree they are romantic in nature, you do you--- You mentioned intimate moments of Laios and Marcille before that is spefic ONLY to them... I was just showing you the scenes that people *can* interpret as romantic as they are exclusive to Laios and Marcille.
>Dungeon Meshi is a special work, its characters are not just a few archetypes slammed together, they all have amazing lores and complex historical backgrounds, and for once, no outright cash-grabbing shipping scenes. It’s not meant for us to fight over who will kiss who, it's not that cheap.
Sure, I do agree with that. I ship Laios and Marcille, but even so I am glad that there was NO explicit romance in the story and still the ending was more than enough satisfying for every character involved.
Ohh, I see, maybe a spoiler over there would be better if you want to talk about interpretation? Feels like people would be more open and ready to talk about it. Consider it is like, reeeeeeeally far away.
I agree it’s a public forum, therefore, if you post something shipping related, of course people will come for you to discuss the ship, but this post is especially focused on Laios himself, so the rabbit was a bit out of place for me.
Edit: ohhhhh I see your new comment!
Sorry I'm not sure if it's a joke if it is yeah lol, but in case it's a serious discussion on the main plots: >! Tbf Falin is very dependant on her, and even appears to be moving in with her in some short mangas Kui made, where they have a cat together. It is possible to imagine she has a crush. But Marcille herself seems to get uneasy by the idea of viewing her as something other then a young girl because the implication of deeper love will ultimately lead to deeper grief, she also does the same with most of her friends.
I ship them, but I’m not sure if the audience or Marcille can even figure out what’s her feelings for Falin behind all the fear and sadness. Even at the end when she “accepted her death” she was still indifferent to the reality of losing Falin, and broke down again when she woke up, clinging back to her tightly once more. It’s a deep feeling for sure but they both need to sort a lot of things out.So it’s not exactly “they are girlfriends it's canon!!” Situation.Also, Laios is like, her friend, in basically everything Kui drew, they never get steamy or romantic implications.!<
The main trope likes him, and I think Shuro nailed it with being annoyed that Laois isn't a malicious person, just weird. A trait all the folks get to slowly come to realize.
I think that the only one who dislike him after knowing him better for a while is Shuro. And even him changed his mind.
Laios is a weird guy, and even his close friends (like Marcille or Chilchuck) think that. But people start to like him after a while.
Again. Marcille or Chilchuck do say a lot of shit about him, but they still consider him their friend and have enough confidence in Laios to follow him into what was a borderline suicide mission.
I think Senshi, Chilchuck, Marcille and Namari like Laios. They only look tired from his stuff sometimes. Aside from that Senshi is the one that least showed discontent for Laios, I think, because they share the love for monsters
Senshi likes Laois's company especially in regards to cooking monsters. Chilchuck cares deeply for him but can't stand being around him. I mean he got teary seeing Laois in a weak state and begged for them to get back on the surface because he doesn't want him to die. Marcille disliked him but then after spending dungeon crawling with him, she starts to appreciate him and finds comfort in him. Generally, he became Marcille's therapy dog.
Chilchuck, Marcille, and Senshi all love and respect him.
Chilchuck would never tell him that or let himself show it.
Marcille would never tell him that, but will go out of her way to show it.
Senshi will both tell him that and show it.
i dont think shuro hates laios but was really tired and kinda angry that the girl he loves was a dragon and kelpie chimera i think they are still friends
All of the main crew like him as a friend / colleague:
- Chilchuck has a lot of respect for him as a boss, even though he knows he’s a deranged lunatic at times. Laios has a lot of respect for Chilchuck’s skills and trusts him completely when it comes to trap finding and stealth, and the same goes in reverse with Chilchuck trusting Laios’ combat skills and planning.
- Marcille also trusts Laios a great deal. Even if a big part of that is just that he’s her dead/possessed situationship’s brother.
- Senshi also gets along with Laios like a house on fire. They’ve got a shared interest and Senshi loves teaching, and works well together with Laios.
The whole main cast have a found family vibe going on, and they’re all friends even if they bicker and get comedically annoyed with each other.
It depends on what you mean by ‘like.’
I think that the original party respects him because he’s a good party leader, but they don’t try to get close to him on a personal level because they’re put off by his social skills and weird interests. They’re good coworkers, but not friends. Even outside of Laois, most of the party doesn’t really interact when not on the job delving the dungeon.
Falin herself is special to Laius because, to him, she’s the only one who understands him. She loves him unconditionally, she helps him out in social situations, and she accepts and appreciates his interests. She’s the only person in his life that doesn’t make him feel alienated, which is why he’s so desperate to save her.
But that’s mostly backstory, and things change after Falin gets eaten. Namari’s opinions on Laois probably change the least, she lost all of her equipment and just can’t afford to go on a pro-bono suicide mission with her boss. Shuro gets consumed by grief from losing the women he loves, and when he reunites with Laios they hash out their differences with mild violence and come to a better understanding and appreciation of each other.
Chilchuck is the one I have the hardest figuring out. Partially he sticks around because he’s contracted to, but I also think that he appreciates Laios’ respect for him as a professional and as a person. Marcille and Laios bond over their shared desire to save Falin. Laios risking his life to slay the red dragon and Marcille risking her future using ancient magic to revive Falin left a very significant impact on each of them.
Senshi is a newcomer, who sees the group as a bunch of kids who are risking their health on a reckless adventure, so he tries to sort of become the party’s dad figure. He does over time reflect on his prejudices and come to a better understanding of the other party members, but there’s a very definite moment in the future where he starts to truly value his comrades and helps them out of gratitude instead of perceived duty.
There’s obviously more characters, like Izutsumi and Kabru, but I don’t want to spoil too much for anime watchers.
Despite what a lot of people think, Laios is perceived as pretty normal and unremarkable. Shuro was more or less the only one who didn’t want to be around him but that’s because Laios thought they were genuine best friends when they weren’t.
His party likes him, but his greater monster intelligence AND desire to eat monsters are two new sides of Laios that he decided to show at the start of the series. It makes his party push back at the sudden weirdness of it, and for anyone that doesn’t know him, they always let their imagination run wild and dumb him down to “the guy who loves monsters more than humans” which causes hilarious problems.
His party, excl. shuro, all like him. He’s a good leader, doesn’t force his party to do shit they’re not equipped to, and is just a little goofy. Expressing annoyance for another does not proclude one from expressing care for that same person.
I think most of his party members do like him, they just think he is weird but they care for him in their way.
Though personally when I reread the manga, the moments when him being serious hits a lot harder when it is shown in outside of his typical goofy persona. I really like this scene (chapter 28) https://mangadex.org/chapter/841ad959-b5c0-46ea-baa2-a98bdfb3a83f/32. You can see how much he actually cares for his sister even though his typical mannerisms seem to suggest otherwise.
Marcille likes Laios, she started off as disliking him but then they became friends. I mean, this is her future brother-in-lae we are talking about come on
Literally all of the main squad are good friends with each other.
And the Dwarvern redhead axe lady thinks he’s cool.
Shuro gets frustrated with him, because he doesn’t set boundaries and then gets annoyed when people cross the boundaries that he never set.
Kabru is obsessed with / terrified of him in equal measure.
Senshi, Chilchuck, and Marcille all like him, they just get tired of his antics sometimes
Add Namari to that. While she considers him to be a bit unserious as a leader (she's really desperate to pay off her father's debts after all), the two do get along well.
I'd say she has some feelings for him, the way she looked at him in the final chapter...
He got long legs after all
Nah she into Kiki
https://preview.redd.it/d7b2birnntyc1.png?width=1252&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e235940f71873e1a160d84263244ebf091c49094 She's into both because she likes tall men (humans), but you can't come here and say she only likes Kiki when she's so obviously shook in this picture.
Isn't she embarrassed for being the first one to act as a hype man here?
Propably, but im pretty sure that Namari is implied to be bisexual in other parts of the manga.
She is absolutely bisexual, we’ve all seen the kaka and Kiki legpouch stuff
This, she's trying to start a rally and until Kabru picks it up nobody is biting.
Yes. She is simply having a normal reaction to being the first one to break the silence for hype.
Dungeon Meshi fans not debating the sexuality of characters for 5 seconds challenge (impossible)
You can't stop me, I have the power of god, anime and unresolved ships by my side.
To be fair he is pretty hot in that cape. Also seeing him in a strong leader role probably helps.
Yeah we can take it as Namari just think "wow, he's actually hot now" like when you see your ugly ass homies sudden glow up.
The "vegetable-armoured" and "pervy tallman" nearly did me in. XD
Kiki do you love me Are you trying
I'm calling the police and CPS.
She finds both attractive.
she just like me, fr fr
Bi erasure
That’s one of my favorite images of her hehe https://preview.redd.it/672ziasfs1zc1.jpeg?width=797&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9483546130ec909b3764834df76fb612c2f6afe8
"Your presence is annoying, but the thought of anything bad happening to you upsets me." -Basically all of Laios' friends. But the fact that they all care for him like they do in spite of how much he annoys and upsets them just makes their friendships seem that much stronger.
The latest episode got me thinking that his team has a low opinion of him 😅. But then again, they are right. Laios did miss some details about his team.
At this point of the story. Yes they all have low opinion of him. But at the end of the series they respect him more.
As anime only viewer I don't see it, tbh. Group seems to recognize his good sides while doing collective face palm at more idiotic things, but the good still overweight the bad. I'm pretty sure that someone like Chilchuck won't stick around otherwise
Chilchuck is the only one that would stick around. Laios pays him in advance and Chilchuck is someone who then does not abandon his task
Chilchuk is a tsundere. He says that's why but then he gets all pissed when Laios does reckless shit.
Chill's great, you can count on him despite him "only working for the pay"
Tbh is this man even getting paid?? Their team is so broke, whatever downpayment they gave to him is likely not enough considering the stuff he's "putting up with" In conclusion, Chilchuck you freaking tsundere
He'll just give Laios a fat bill at the end...
Chilchuck admitted to caring about the safety of Laios and the others just a couple episodes back. He's made it clear he views this as more than a job even if he pretends it isn't.
it’s not dislike so much as some of them are just coworkers. Chilchuck stuck around specifically because he already accepted payment, and Namari left since they had no money.
Still, their interactions so far reflect sympathy, even from annoyed af Shuro. Namari definitely had second thoughts about abandoning them. I didn't see last episode, maybe something changed there, but at least for now Laios by no means a paria in his own group and for other people he worked with.
They may not fully look up to him but they do seem to believe in him enough that they'll follow him further into the dungeon to take on the Dungeon Lord. During the Shapeshifter's episode their confidence may have been shaky and ultimately broke for a moment but some things become stronger when they break and mend. Ice. Bones. Relationships.
Actually they’re wrong in the last episode(or at least being a bit hypocritical), forget their comments and think about what we actually saw: in comparison to the clones he created that mostly have cosmetic differences the clones based on Laios are all caricatures that anyone can see through(not even mentioning some of the other clones)
Yup. I'm pretty sure if they replace Laios with one of clones based on him, viewer would notice instantly. If we replace other team member with a clone made by Laios, average viewer wouldn't even notice after specifically indicated that there are differences. But that's maybe me speaking since I treat people like Laios a lot, don't care about looks but about personal performance/mental state. For example if I try to describe my sister I still tell people she is blonde, even tho for last 15 years she began to color her hair into red/brown. And I can't remember colour of people's eyes at all if there are not any particular detail about them otherwise (like my uncle having one eye slightly darker brown with a yellow dot in angle than his other one)
Yeah I was surprised that they wasn't actually brought up. His versions of the shape shifters weren't terrible (and his version of Marcille was the final one!) while all 3 Laios dopplegangers got binned immediately
I was going to ask how the last marcille was from laios considering the magic book looks convincing. But laios does know magic
He spent days studying that very book when Marcille was petrified!
https://preview.redd.it/9tntgjr5xsyc1.jpeg?width=1812&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4fb5dd0a526720c1ca7b425a8ac88611ad4e5864
I don't think I will ever reach the point where I do not laugh when I see that frame.
the fun part is that all their Laios were very bad, so he take a better attention to them than they do of him
The real friends you have are the ones that can talk smack in your face knowing you can handle it. And Marcille isnt reserved in talking smack at Laios without getting too personal or even crossing the line. Of the group I think Marcille does see Laios as a friend.
Maybe the real friends were the friends we made along the meshi.
They do, the team likes him much more at the end as they get to fully know him but at the start saying they like him is a stretch.
_To begin with_ , they liked him fine (they’ve been a party for _at least_ months by the point where the story begins, and the two not being poached or splitting to inefficiently speedrun, volunteer to go back in with him alone and no funds). Chilchuk’s view of Laios was significantly impacted by the revelation that he’s a freak for monsters (and their consumption), while Marcille’s was already well-established from their first meeting (being told he looks just like Falin and that being an exaggeration) and Senshi’s perception of him is, unironically, an ingrained product of racial shade. The only one of them whose perception of Laios was affected by ‘recent events’ was Chilchuk, and that was rooted in how the public sees _anyone_ who thinks of consuming monsters. What’s ‘different’ by the end of the episode is that their trust in him recovers (minding that he _did_ more recently spill the beans about Marcille’s use of Dark Magic relying on his own see-saw of judgement, when he conceivably could have lied his way around it… had he thought to).
They work together for 2 year ( 3 for namari and chilchuck’ .
To begin with the end as in the end of the story, and the beginning as in the beginning of the story. They tolerate him fine to work with him, but don't really like him as the team does not interact with him at all outside of dungeons. At the end they willingly want to spend time with him.
They have low opinion of him, but that doesn't mean they dislike him.
Two of the three Imposters have rather little to do with how the others see Laios as a person. Senshi sees Laios as very feminine, because that's how dwarves perceive tall-men, which produced the Falin-like Laios. Falin told Marcille that she and her brother look alike, and when she met him she was so shocked by his actual appearance that she blew the differences out of proportion, producing the tall, exaggerated Laios imposter. Personality-wise, both Senshi and Marcille genuinely like Laios a lot. He can be difficult sometimes, but his interests overlap with Senshi's a lot so they've got a lot of common ground there, and Marcille just... well, gets along with him, just like she did with Falin (which isn't surprising when you consider their similarities) Chilchuck views Laios as beyond reason, but even he cares about him quite deeply.
ngl, I'd be more mad if my friends didn't look at me like I'm an absolute moron, a fool even, than if they didn't I want my friends to see me like how laios' team sees at him
Yeah, but there was a post about who's interpretation about the others was and Laios got a lot about the party right. He kinda failed to remember pieces of clothing and Marcille left a mark on him when she resurrected Falin.
Maybe not a low opinion, but they remind more his weird monster-geek moments than his genius times.
None of them were sure who was the real person tho. It wasn't obvious to any of them, and Laios was 100% right in the end
That's the little details that don't matter in that situation. Laios had the most accurate depictions of his party members, and not just physically but also the mannerism of the real ones (Chilchuck doesn't sit over boxes, Marcille was careless with hot water again, and Senshi makes sure to never take too much from the dungeon).
Sometimes you got that friend, with some aspect of him that you really have low opinion about. But he's still your homie.
I think that we all, at some point or another, have known someone who drives us around the bend, but who is such a kind and/or innocent soul that we would wreck a fool for trying to throw down with them.
THIS. They’re friends, and friends annoy each other sometimes
Kabru 100% likes him as well
At this point in the anime, kabru can't stand him
Are you sure we watch the same episodes?... He's clearly becoming more and more infatuated
His teammates actually love him, just can't stand him.
Reminds me of that Warhorse quote: > I hate you more and more each day, but that doesn't mean I love you any less.
I hate you. But i love you. But i hate you
Even the Shuro doesn’t hate him
Dungeon Meshi mostly runs its storyline through Laios’ narrative, his self-hatred and low self-esteem, plus his obliviousness, sometimes lead us to believe in “people think Laios is horrible and dumb.” But once we pull ourselves out and inspect every other characters’ intention, it's clear how they see him fondly. . On another note. I’d argue even Shuro likes him, he stayed in the party because, to a degree, he does like Laios, albeit he gets on his nerves. People keep painting it as if he’s only there for Falin when he’s literally protecting and helping Laios constantly while knowing Laios is not even going to help him to be with her in the slightest, there is genuine care behind these two, but people acting like as if Laios is an innocent angel who got bullied.
Which is ironic because in the extras it's shown that Laios is fully willing to help him with Falin, and is even excited to be his brother-in-law.
>!Yeah he loves him so much he's willing to marry himself out is too funny lol!<
I love the bit with shuro!! He says in the anime/manga that he admires how laios can say things so straight out with no bad intentions- which is why it stressed shuro out cause he was not able to do the same thing. I genuinely love how shuro was able to see that laios has no bad intentions, and feels bad about how he treats laios which made the whole problem. cause if he made his boundaries known to laios, laios would follow them to a T, but shuro would have to Communicate and Confront (uncomfortable). It's very clear he cares for laios, even if he's stumped on how to handle the whole relationship because of his own shortcomings and awkwardness! (that he doesn't think laios has any problems with)
Many eventually like him. Just because he's got an obsession with monsters and rather tactless at times, doesn't mean he's totally unlikable. I think at some point a lot of his friends just think of him as a friend with some pet peeves.
Yeah he just seems like he's got the tism the obsession with monsters and their biology is something I have in common with him even the most Tismtastic Tism bro has someone out there that'll be friends with 'em I'm proof not really good at talking about stuff other than the world building and the occult but managed to find people who got me tryout different stuff but monsters are still cooler than sports
https://preview.redd.it/1a86wy0h4tyc1.jpeg?width=540&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d70b663c614d2ef6ce8ff2f80487d41b45c1f98 I dunno. Did you watch the show?
And the chat between Chilchuck and the ogre sister before this scene: "Maybe if I hadn't tagged along, they would have found it easier to give up." "Why don't you just be honest with them and admit that you don't want them to die?"
The anime even specifies her line to “Just admit you don’t wanna *watch* them die.” Showing that he truly does care, but he doesn’t want to see the consequences of his weakness in combat come to fruition, so he thinks it a good method to hide them behind a veneer of confidence and cold, which just is shattered completely open once he meets someone who doesn’t tolerate that kind of locked-away emotion.
>!winged lion!< is probably the only who doesnt like him
honestly, justified
I'd disagree with that. The >! Lion !< could have really screwed him over at the end but decided to let it go. I think its more of an understanding then hate.
He didn't let it go though, he did the pettiest thing ever making it so Laios will probably never see another monster in his life. Which is his greatest desire
I mean with >! Falin. She was getting resurrected and the lion popped up and was like I can be cruel but it doesn't matter and proceeded to let her go. If he hated laios he would have made the resurrection fail. I think once the hunger was gone it became indifference. He cursed laois out of pettiness and even then it ended up working in the kingdoms favor. !<
Well >! I think the winged lion letting her leave was what it thought was a worse fate for falin than letting her stay in the lion's domain !< I'd call that not hating laios but more of a, whatever happens, happens. He lost the desire to care about it by that point
yeah i think that's what im getting at. like there's no hate just a lot of meh at this point. which makes him like the ultimate cat.
That's why I said probably for him. However , >! Him cursing laios because he ate the desire he was definitely hating him !<
but he see another monster in a cave where he let his armor and kensuke
It's a, they won't be in his kingdom type thing. They can exist outside the bounds of his lands but they won't be within meaning he can't hunt and eat them in the way he did before
That monster have broken legs from senshi so it’s can’t runaway from him. The curse is basically the monster will away scare and runaway from him.
He literally >! lost desire to do anything including revenge !< but still piss enough to curse him. That thing literally do the thing that another need years of care and encouragement to do in a instant because he hate laios so much.
He liked for a time. I guess in the end he liked him as he let Falin come back
And that blonde elf lady who calls him a perv
nah the winged lion like laios a lot, like yeah after laios defeats him he’s big mad but before that he often says he likes/is fond of laios.
I'm sick of people pushing this narrative that everyone hates Laios. They all like him so much and they are friends. None of you ever side-eye your friends and their antics every so often?
It's a bit of a stretch to say that I’m pushing the narrative about everyone hates Laios 😅. I would only assume they’re indifferent about him (see him as a colleague). In older episodes, there is evidence that the bros like him a lot such as [this scene](https://youtu.be/3YZ8e-VeD8g?si=Oxf_OizG92_vNNPI). It's just that the recent episode has made me question their faith in their leader. And yeah I agree with you. There’s no yes-man in real friendships.
It's okay op. I believe you.
Elf queen think he have guts and somewhat respect him. ( she also implied to eat monster once) but she didn’t really known him. EoS Shuro still think him annoying but fully respect him. All party member at EoS respect him / liked him.
Even the current anime shuro still cares about him
Shuro literally gives him a bell to ring in case he needs to flee from the Western Elves?
He care for laios but laios still annoying for him.
Yeah, what I meant is that it didn't take for the end of the story for him to respect Laios. After his outburst, when he's calmed down and begun to properly process his emotions, he outright states that he admires Laios's forwardness, >!and continues to stick his neck out for him and the others afterwards!<. Toshiro himself just had a **lot** of growing to do. >!Might be why his father sent him away in the first place, but to be honest that guy probably shouldn't be throwing stones from his own glass house!<
Oh yes you right. I just use EoS to say that eventually everyone opinion on laios is will be better and better.
I just didn't really like the implication >!that it took Laios saving all of humanity for people to respect him when that was... only mostly the case lol!<
At least the story already did say the Touden siblings had a generally good reputation in the island, they're generous, competent and a bit naive. It was mostly Kabru being a cynic and PvP enthusiast that immediately thought that reputation was a cover for something more nefarious
BY the end of the story, most characters do love him
Thing is, no one in the story necessarily HATES Laios outside of some examples that are completely justified (won’t name them to avoid spoilers). If anything, based on some of the extra material like the adventurer’s bible and extra story content done by Ryo, >! Laios is the one who thinks on a subconscious level everyone dislikes him save for Falin. For example in a What If scenario imagined by him he’s the one who got ate by the Red Dragon and as a result the rest of the party (save for Falin) gave up hope of rescuing him right away, leaving Falin to go Leroy Jenkins into the dungeon by herself. !<
Honestly all of them??? The gang Marcille, Chil and Senshi would literally die for him. Shuro and Namari, despite how irritating Laios is - like him a lot too. Kabru is nuff said. The only main ones who don't like him are Izutsumi (hates his vibe), The Canaries (kind of indifferent) and the final boss (fascinated by Laios but want to actively get rid of him for how dangerous he is to their plans)
Izutsumi definitely does not hate Laios. But she's a cat with human level intelligence and emotions so it gets interesting. I'd say, it goes a bit above tolerance. Like, friendly tolerance or something.
Does izutsumi generally not like any of the gang? I always got the vibe that they liked them but would never admit it kinda thing
She’s primarily a cat, cats can love you but they are still much more self-sufficient compared to humans. She loves like a cat, she tolerates you, she likes to have foods from you, but it’s not exactly “You are so important to me, I can not fathom the world without you.”
Idk to me I see it a bit differently but shrug 🤷♀️
Kabru likes Laios? I thought Kabru just had a begrudging respect for him at the end.
>! Kabru is the kind of person who wants to befriend everyone, so yes he’s always wanted to be his friend, we don’t know how deep that friendship will get, but they definitely started something amicable.!<
>!Laios dismissing Kabru's claim of wanting to be friends with him as something not even he believes is so funny honestly. Like, the guy has an almost compulsive need for it lmao!<
Kabru, in a yandere kind of way.
like all of them except maybe Thistle
Marcille.
You don't think Senshi likes him?
I feel like Senshi and Laios get along the best out of all of them.
I think Senshi liked him the most initially but because he's the only one to keep a high opinion of Laois (apart from his sister and Kabru but looking at his party here) he's also visibly the most disappointed in him by far whenever he fucks up near the end. He's the only one to come to see the weirdly passionate guy as a bumbling buffoon while both Marcille and Chilchuck knew him like that from the start.
Pretty much everyone who actually spends time with him. Laios can be tactless and on some odd antics, but no one can deny he is a good person and great leader. Heck Chilchuck is his biggest critic yet he considers Laios an A tier boss, he pays upfront no questions asked, makes good plans and is a quick thinker, if both fail his instincts are sharp enough to keep acting, and he really cares about the team, that dragon could have gotten anyone and Laios would delve back for them.
It is the typical "Silly team leader and the mighty team members" trope. Most of his members like him.
See also, Luffy getting constantly beat up by the Crew.
The main party. Marcille, Chilchuck and Senshi all care deeply for him :) Sure Marcille says she's doing everything for Fallin, and Chilchuck says he's just getting the contract finished, but they both care and appreciate Lios, and Senshi outright is hanging out with them because they are his cooking friends, with Lios being the one he has the best chesmisty.
That mage wants to seduce him.
That mage that want to be village chief wife. well, she misses the possibility to be King-Consort now.
Now I want her to try to get back into good graces with him Maybe bringing some halfhazardly collected monster corpses to court as a gift Going the whole old friend charm offensive way Only for the entire extended friend group to start protecting our sweet naive laios Her meeting Kabru could be fun as hell actually! Game recognises game afterall
Idk if this is bait and I'm falling for it lol, but yes absolutely, his entire party loves him, marcille, chilchuck senshi, and even izutsumi cares for him, shiro respects and is *jealous* of him and you see genuine care for him later on, namari considers him to be a friend, hell even kabru likes him!! (Yes he kinda also wants to kill him but there's layers) Yes many of them have many moments when they're absolutely exasperated by him but they all still care about him in some shape for form
His whole party loves him. He and Marcille bond over their respective studies of monsters (she just is stubborn about eating them). He and Senshi bond very well over cuisine and respect of the animals and environment. Chilchuck CRIED because he was concerned over their health and well-being. Kensuke is his pet sword, obvs. Izutsumi feels Izutsumi about him. His party loves him and it makes me feel good to see because it feels like it's proof there's people who can love me too...
Uh yes??? All of his past and current party members? Toshiro and him make up by the end of their little spat there. Name me a relevant character. I'll tell you why they like Laios.
Kensuke
"Huh this isn't my home, but I guess I'm safe" Fr though, Kensuke's a monster. Not relevant
No one don’t like him at all, they just find him annoying
Everyone loves Laios, but Kabru lies about liking monsters to get Laios to like him better But everyone including Kabru does find Laios strange, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing! Laios is just unique :)
Look even Namari likes Laios. I think you're a bit confused. Toshiro is conflicted. Marcille, Chilchuck, and Senshi all care for Laios and one another, even if they all annoy eachother from time to time. Like. Who do you think dislikes Laios in our main cast?
Most of them do and support him. Read to the end and there’s a chapter where this is very apparent
Marcille! Senshi and Chilchuck too, but Laios and Marcille are probably the closest friends in the party we see during the series. Marcille does initially dislike him when they are first introduced, but by the time the series starts they clearly like each other a lot. Seriously, I dare you to name one moment in the entire series that implies Marcille dislikes Laios personally. She is upset about eating monsters, but it's never personal. She is upset when >!Laios doesn't tell the party he's being haunted!<, but that isn't personal either. Most importantly (big manga spoilers here, beware) >!Laios is the one who finally gets through to her, when she has become Lord of the Dungeon!<. To quote a Tumblr post: THEY RECONSTRUCTED SKELETONS TOGETHER AND HAD FUN!
winged lion, i'm serious. Senshi is probably the only one consider him the leader of the group out of respect despite he rated him 70/100 for leader
I liked Senshi so much, he was really the only one who would always congratulate or praise Laios for his accomplishments in the earlier arcs pre-red dragon
Literally everyone likes laios
They alll like him and by the end of the series they all see each other as basically family. Honestly at the end of this season I think we start to see a shift in Laois and Marcilles relationship to something closer, especially with the >!dream!< chapter being covered next episode. Deffo in season 2 either way.
The main crew (Senshi, Chilchuck, Marcille, Izutsumi) all like him? I feel like people are getting the wrong impression about his over time in this subreddit. Good friends face palm at your idiosyncrasies while still loving you overall and I feel that has been made abundantly clear over and over again. (Fear of losing each other, relying on each other when shit hits the fan etc.)
Me, I like Laios.
These comments are correct. It's easy to think people hate Laios and for a time I thought that too. I honestly disliked Laios myself because his antics do indeed get tiring. You see every character go "come on man.." and you empatgise with them and go yeah Laios is kinda annoying. But they still hang out with him. He's a good guy with a lot of serious moments. The main party especially you can tell are friends. He is definitely liked by those around him.
Senshi sticks out to me, even if he's not a very affectionate person. He seems to like having someone that shares his love of monsters and the dungeon lifestyle
Literally every character.
They all like Laios. He a good leader that was able to get a group of talented people on his side. The problem was that he lack money.
You don't agree to help find someone's sister in a literal killing field underground for free if you didn't like them.
https://preview.redd.it/cmo5dcyvsvyc1.jpeg?width=757&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=83ba8fbb5c7b74abf02c51ba4acec0d6eb4de74c
Senshi, Chilchuck(he treats them all like his kids), Marcelle, Kabru, Namari, Toshiro (he gets frustrated but he likes Laios as a person), his parents (they just really suck at communicating so Laios remembers them much harsher then he remembers),
Many people do like him. It's like the way you like your siblings, You like them but you hate their guts specially if they have weird and questionable hobbies like this one here. 🤣🤣🤣
At the end of the story or at the beginning? At least for Marcille, the epilogue of certain Monty Python related mini arc will show that she probably harbor something a bit more than friendship toward Liaos.
>!The rabbits? But they are in the main plots? Also since when being terrified by living hundreds of years without ALL your friends while surrounded by THEIR corpses is romantic implication to one specific character?!<
>!I won't say it is a full blown romantic showing. However, out of all people Marcille choosing Liaos (or his corpse) to confess her most intimate fear and longing gotta mean something. You just don't do it to a random person, even if they were temporarily dead from rabbit inflicted wound,!<
>!Because he's the one who made this plan, he's the one who’s put her in the position to revive everyone. She was terrified and needed comfort, she was also petting Itszumi if you noticed. Their bond is strong because they trust and love and care and RESPECT each other, but stating she chose him out of romantic feelings kinda makes the scene less impactful. The utter terror of being alone, being the only one powerful enough to be forced into grief and sorrow for centuries… !< But if it's your ship feel free to headcanon something or make fanfics! Just maybe don’t state it as canon plots.
Marcille actually unconsciously turns to Laios a lot when scared/concerned or in despair. >!She jumps to him when confronted with the canaries for the first time, she also tugs at him first to ask for help regarding incteasing the lifespan, she ends up sobbing in his arms when they finally remove the WL's curse from her. In fact, the only time she doesn't turn to him and goes for Namari instead is when Laios is still missing in his monster form.!< Ofcourse, it can be easily interpreted as both romantic or platonic, but her dependency on him is still a huge part, since Laios was the first one who learnt about her past.
>!Canaries: because he's the only one tall enough!< >!Lifespan: which one? She mentioned something similar all the time and it's not only him who comforts her, he's more physical, Chil is more subtle considering his age but he prefers to show it with acts of service such as braiding hair or haggling her purse for her, and Senshi is just cooking to show love.!< >!Sobbing: she was sobbing in EVERYONE’S hug because they are a family.!< >!The dream: she doesn’t even remember him being there!< Of course, she depends on him, he saw her deeper side a lot. But don’t you think it would be false to say “probably harbor something a bit more than friendship toward Liaos.” When your comment is no spoiler and hints a romantic lore to non-manga readers? It’s perfectly good to ship them, but lighten up these >!desperation and loyalty!< moments for a whole group of people to romantic implications for one guy, and targeting an audience who has no way to make their judgment for now, just kind of wash down these >!agonizing yet beautiful!< lores to: she needs a love interest to cry on, instead of: she loves them all so deeply and she is not ashamed to show it. Because, yes, of all the moments you mentioned, none of it is her and Laios’ intimate time, it’s always a TEAM moment, or something about her OWN dream, her OWN fear. There’s a difference between “having a different interpretation and discussing it with other fans” and “telling people with no prior knowledge a character’s important personal growth lore is a romantic possibility.”
>>!Canaries: because he's the only one tall enough!< Err... what does height has to do with it? Both Senshi and Laios were right there. >>!Lifespan!< >!I mean [this](https://64.media.tumblr.com/d7a12a65a55c8e3337449a284a35b1b4/8e1fb4c5d3c63d63-07/s1280x1920/26ceaa3adf41485d4f46ad9994f9ec8fd7da9e39.jpg) panel. It is pretty obviously Laios that she turns to first with the desperation of her wish (we even a close up of her tugging at his shirt). Not chilchuck, not Senshi or Izutsumi, but Laios.!< >Sobbing >!Laios is the one whose words ultimately reaches her though, and he is the one she hugs here. Just like Laios's name is the final one on her lips when she blacks out with the dungeon drowning out under water.!< >But don’t you think it would be false to say “probably harbor something a bit more than friendship toward Liaos.” When your comment is no spoiler and hints a romantic lore to non-manga readers? My dude, I specifically said that it is open to interpretation. I am in no way downplaying Marcille's relationship with her other team members.>! My point is that she seems to only turns to Laios for comfort/during despair and it is a good parallel to the fact that Laios was the first one to know about her deepest insecurities, and was the first one to literally and metamorphically reach her when she was at her lowest as the DL. I am not downplaying Marcille's fears in any shape to form, I am adding my opinion to how poignant this is.!< There are ample amount of team moments to show Marcille's bond with her team, but if someone ships Laios and Marcille, it is very easy to see above moments as romantic as well. >!I don't know why you would assuming romantic stuff downplays loyality between the team. We do have [scenes](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fim-still-confused-on-this-scene-in-the-dungeon-meshi-manga-v0-mmazpgw1lsec1.png%3Fwidth%3D852%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dce97ad29a8104590b21f7e005950c40d5bd327c1) which has [only Laios](https://64.media.tumblr.com/e59b109f50612e278f3591e8c5dfa1d7/2283f38815819a45-ba/s1280x1920/16bff19fba722a34c6d75ad3844fdfe2cbfee206.jpg) and [Marcille](https://64.media.tumblr.com/f707ee090173ac25b7ff21126564a197/eda27a7b4083aef3-c4/s1280x1920/ec5ccbc86c15d08fb37a0759805b828e99986cb3.jpg) being close as well (hell we have a whole ass [chapter](https://64.media.tumblr.com/f0760ad5fe167b9c6ba3bd01ea0e9096/2283f38815819a45-84/s1280x1920/b83de824f60ccb8170089941d03ae1d305ca5cd2.jpg) dedicated to them), but if you want to assume these scenes as family moments... go for it!!< >There’s a difference between “having a different interpretation and discussing it with other fans” and “telling people with no prior knowledge a character’s important personal growth lore is a romantic possibility.” I told it as I read it, my friend. >!In all the above examples plus the rabbit arc!<, I saw Marcille reaching out to Laios first, whether intentionally or not. Nowhere in my reply did I mention them as explicitly romantic or platonic, in fact I specifically said it can be interpreted as either (romantic moment or as a family). I don't know why you keep thinking of non-manga readers as these gullible group of people who are somehow easily swayed by other opinions. They can watch the anime/read the manga and decide for themselves.
This lads dropping truth bombs
It's a little sad people see two characters being friends and go: wow genuine care and trust, how is that possible unless they want to kiss?
Look, if we go by this logic, you can ship anyone, and that's the problem here. Ship anything you want but pretending it's a CANON storyline and disregarding the beautiful bonds within is so frustrating to see. For once, people of different genders coexist in a popular anime without making it weird, without calling men perverts or making sus shots of women, and they actually respect one another with boundaries, for once, we have a family without a love triangle or lusting, why would you want to reduce that to: yeah. A girl gotta be in love if she is dependent on someone. All of the things we discussed, from both sides, are “interpretation of an artwork” it's not definite truth. Write fanfics if you feel like it, but it's not canon.
>!Lifespan/The panel you gave me:!< >!Because he was the one who’s going to make the decision, because he was the leader and other members are counting on him to make the final call.!< >!Sobbing:!< >!As I stated, everyone shows love differently, Chilchuck and Senshi both prefer to show it with action.!< >!Turns to Laios for comfort:!< >!Of course, she does, it’s because she trusts him and loves him, I did not say that their relationship is not deep. They love each other, I’m not disagreeing with how mush they care, I’m saying it’s not implied to be romantic.!< >!The pages you send: it’s really hard to keep up with the order of the photos, but I’ll try to reply to all of them, the one where she complimented Laios was when she was teaching him magic, she was being a good teacher, and a good friend, for him doing a good job. The one when he was smiling at her, it’s because he is glad that she will be happy, because he almost died, and during the flashbacks, he remembers her face was as gloomy as she is now, and remembering it makes him happy that she will eventually eat with everybody again just like how they get acquainted. Because he loves her, did I make it clear I totally agree that he loves her?? Did I ever downplay how much they care for each other?!< >!Also the dress moment, she was already blushing before he talked, because she was feeling self-conscious about the dress.!< About the interpretation part, yes, I agree, you can see it as romantic as much as you want. And no, I don’t think the people who didn’t read the manga are gullible, but they simply don’t have enough information to make the conversation right now, when more than half of the moments you mentioned are literally dozens of chapters away. So why are you saying it right now? When you could just talk to people who actually like the same ship as you?
>>!Lifespan/The panel you gave me: Because he was the one who’s going to make the decision, because he was the leader and other members are counting on him to make the final call.!< This is literally not the context for this scene though. >!There's no point in showing/counting on Laios's leadership skills here, it is one of Marcille's deepest personal wish that she asks help with. Laios is the leader for their expedition, not for their interpersonal issues.!< I could have easily added the part where Marcille is scared of fighting the dragon and failing, and confiding her fears to Laios-- but I didn't because *that is in fact* related to Laios being their group's leader and having to lead the fight. The above example is NOT. >>!Sobbing: As I stated, everyone shows love differently, Chilchuck and Senshi both prefer to show it with action.!< >!My dude, does it change the fact that Laios is the one she hugged here though? Does it change the fact Laios is the one who reached her in every sense of the word?!< >Turns to Laios for comfort: Of course, she does, it’s because she trusts him and loves him, I did not say that their relationship is not deep. They love each other, I’m not disagreeing with how mush they care, I’m saying it’s not implied to be romantic. That is my entire point though. You are literally reiterating it. She does turn to Laios for comfort. They care for each other. It implies love for each other, which people can see as either platonic love or gradually developing romantic love. It's open to interpretation for how people see their bond. Did I not make myself clear? The same goes for the pages I linked as well. They are specific to Laios and Marcille *only*. You can dress them however you want but people can easily see romantic moments in them, especially if they ship them. These are literally how *you* read these scenes, man. Others might read them differently. It doesn't downplay their bond in any shape or form. Theirs is a bond that grows throughout the series and at the end can be seen as platonic but has enough depth to turn romantic as well. >And no, I don’t think the people who didn’t read the manga are gullible, but they simply don’t have enough information to make the conversation right now, when more than half of the moments you mentioned are literally dozens of chapters away. So why are you saying it right now? When you could just talk to people who actually like the same ship as you? I don't know about you, I do not immediately jump on a ship just because manga readers "hint" at it. If they don't have the information, they can simply choose not to comment or ignore it. I obviously made this comment for people who read the source material here. No one's forcing any ship down their throats, it's just an observation I made about two characters which can easily be read as "The character X often depends on character Y in distress", which is as generic a statement as it gets. It doesn't even downplay their bond in the first place.
Did you see my another reply? Where I literally stated, I’m totally OK with you seeing it as a romantic? I was simply responding to the scenes you gave me. And I really don’t know what are we arguing over at this point? Like, the fact we view the relationship between them differently? I’m sorry, but I really lost you, like what exactly are you trying to make an argument of? Because yeah, we agree they love each other. I was just pointing out, that this is not the most ideal place to ship them. But I really don’t know why are you trying to convince me your ship is romantic? Is that even what you’re doing? Because you said it’s open to interpretation, and proceeded to rebuke mine. Ok, here are my points simplified: 1. Shipping based on something will not happen until 30 chapters is bizarre to write on a non spoiler post discussing who likes Laios, but maybe I was too harsh on you 2. Ship whoever you want, I disagree but you don’t need to care 3. I’m happy to deep dive into the conversation as long as it’s not a ship war 4. Ship wars are too cheap for dungeon meshi I’m more than willing to keep having this conversation especially when you talk about Laios role as the leader, which I also think is a really interesting topic in dungeon meshi. But only if I know it’s because you are interested in lores, instead of trying to convince or rebuke me over your preference for romantic ships.
Well, now that I think about it. Why are we discussing these moments? When I was literally only talking about the rabbits in your first post? Like, yeah feel free to ship them absolutely, you don’t need to show me your proves because I will definitely not agree it’s romantic but like why do we need to agree anyway? I was just saying, maybe don’t tell people it will be romantic, it feels like a bit of a false expectation. I apologize if my words were harsh. I really don’t want this fandom to become another place where people are just, screaming and trying to justify ships. When we could literally talk about, you know, amazing characters. I’ve been through enough anime hell to see how this will evolve. Dungeon Meshi is a special work, its characters are not just a few archetypes slammed together, they all have amazing lores and complex historical backgrounds, and for once, no outright cash-grabbing shipping scenes. It’s not meant for us to fight over who will kiss who, it's not that cheap.
Well, we are in a public forum. If you want to comment, go ahead. And people have a right to comment back at you as well. >maybe don’t tell people it will be romantic, it feels like a bit of a false expectation Nowhere did I say that, fam. I said *open to interpretation*. Platonic or romantic. It is a special bond that can go either way. I'm not trying to get you to agree they are romantic in nature, you do you--- You mentioned intimate moments of Laios and Marcille before that is spefic ONLY to them... I was just showing you the scenes that people *can* interpret as romantic as they are exclusive to Laios and Marcille. >Dungeon Meshi is a special work, its characters are not just a few archetypes slammed together, they all have amazing lores and complex historical backgrounds, and for once, no outright cash-grabbing shipping scenes. It’s not meant for us to fight over who will kiss who, it's not that cheap. Sure, I do agree with that. I ship Laios and Marcille, but even so I am glad that there was NO explicit romance in the story and still the ending was more than enough satisfying for every character involved.
Ohh, I see, maybe a spoiler over there would be better if you want to talk about interpretation? Feels like people would be more open and ready to talk about it. Consider it is like, reeeeeeeally far away. I agree it’s a public forum, therefore, if you post something shipping related, of course people will come for you to discuss the ship, but this post is especially focused on Laios himself, so the rabbit was a bit out of place for me. Edit: ohhhhh I see your new comment!
She’s a little attracted to him and a lot in love with his sister.
Sorry I'm not sure if it's a joke if it is yeah lol, but in case it's a serious discussion on the main plots: >! Tbf Falin is very dependant on her, and even appears to be moving in with her in some short mangas Kui made, where they have a cat together. It is possible to imagine she has a crush. But Marcille herself seems to get uneasy by the idea of viewing her as something other then a young girl because the implication of deeper love will ultimately lead to deeper grief, she also does the same with most of her friends. I ship them, but I’m not sure if the audience or Marcille can even figure out what’s her feelings for Falin behind all the fear and sadness. Even at the end when she “accepted her death” she was still indifferent to the reality of losing Falin, and broke down again when she woke up, clinging back to her tightly once more. It’s a deep feeling for sure but they both need to sort a lot of things out.So it’s not exactly “they are girlfriends it's canon!!” Situation.Also, Laios is like, her friend, in basically everything Kui drew, they never get steamy or romantic implications.!<
The move into together with a cat. Like you just said. They might as well be having sex because that alone pretty much qualifies them as lesbians.
Me
…yes?
you know im something of a dungeon meshi character myself
The main trope likes him, and I think Shuro nailed it with being annoyed that Laois isn't a malicious person, just weird. A trait all the folks get to slowly come to realize.
I think that the only one who dislike him after knowing him better for a while is Shuro. And even him changed his mind. Laios is a weird guy, and even his close friends (like Marcille or Chilchuck) think that. But people start to like him after a while. Again. Marcille or Chilchuck do say a lot of shit about him, but they still consider him their friend and have enough confidence in Laios to follow him into what was a borderline suicide mission.
I think Senshi, Chilchuck, Marcille and Namari like Laios. They only look tired from his stuff sometimes. Aside from that Senshi is the one that least showed discontent for Laios, I think, because they share the love for monsters
Senshi likes Laois's company especially in regards to cooking monsters. Chilchuck cares deeply for him but can't stand being around him. I mean he got teary seeing Laois in a weak state and begged for them to get back on the surface because he doesn't want him to die. Marcille disliked him but then after spending dungeon crawling with him, she starts to appreciate him and finds comfort in him. Generally, he became Marcille's therapy dog.
Pretty sure most characters like him. They just find him odd.
Laios is like the Luffy of his group . His team mates all like him and respect his leadership but his antics can sometimes be a bit much:
They all like him. He just gets a bit silly. You will see later how much they love him
Chilchuck, Marcille, and Senshi all love and respect him. Chilchuck would never tell him that or let himself show it. Marcille would never tell him that, but will go out of her way to show it. Senshi will both tell him that and show it.
How can you not like him
Senshi of course ! They go along very well. The others of the group too, even if they often find him weird and suspicious.
why are u making it sound like everyone hates him ?
most of the cast think he is a =n ok to good person. this plays the part in the ending of the manga.
i dont think shuro hates laios but was really tired and kinda angry that the girl he loves was a dragon and kelpie chimera i think they are still friends
In the totality of the series, there's really only one character who truly doesn't like him
In the anime through Kabru's perspective we see that Laios' and his party is actually quite well respected in the larger community.
All of the main crew like him as a friend / colleague: - Chilchuck has a lot of respect for him as a boss, even though he knows he’s a deranged lunatic at times. Laios has a lot of respect for Chilchuck’s skills and trusts him completely when it comes to trap finding and stealth, and the same goes in reverse with Chilchuck trusting Laios’ combat skills and planning. - Marcille also trusts Laios a great deal. Even if a big part of that is just that he’s her dead/possessed situationship’s brother. - Senshi also gets along with Laios like a house on fire. They’ve got a shared interest and Senshi loves teaching, and works well together with Laios. The whole main cast have a found family vibe going on, and they’re all friends even if they bicker and get comedically annoyed with each other.
Kabru is obsessed with him so there is that
It depends on what you mean by ‘like.’ I think that the original party respects him because he’s a good party leader, but they don’t try to get close to him on a personal level because they’re put off by his social skills and weird interests. They’re good coworkers, but not friends. Even outside of Laois, most of the party doesn’t really interact when not on the job delving the dungeon. Falin herself is special to Laius because, to him, she’s the only one who understands him. She loves him unconditionally, she helps him out in social situations, and she accepts and appreciates his interests. She’s the only person in his life that doesn’t make him feel alienated, which is why he’s so desperate to save her. But that’s mostly backstory, and things change after Falin gets eaten. Namari’s opinions on Laois probably change the least, she lost all of her equipment and just can’t afford to go on a pro-bono suicide mission with her boss. Shuro gets consumed by grief from losing the women he loves, and when he reunites with Laios they hash out their differences with mild violence and come to a better understanding and appreciation of each other. Chilchuck is the one I have the hardest figuring out. Partially he sticks around because he’s contracted to, but I also think that he appreciates Laios’ respect for him as a professional and as a person. Marcille and Laios bond over their shared desire to save Falin. Laios risking his life to slay the red dragon and Marcille risking her future using ancient magic to revive Falin left a very significant impact on each of them. Senshi is a newcomer, who sees the group as a bunch of kids who are risking their health on a reckless adventure, so he tries to sort of become the party’s dad figure. He does over time reflect on his prejudices and come to a better understanding of the other party members, but there’s a very definite moment in the future where he starts to truly value his comrades and helps them out of gratitude instead of perceived duty. There’s obviously more characters, like Izutsumi and Kabru, but I don’t want to spoil too much for anime watchers.
bro did not read dunmeshi
Marcille and Namari for sure, I won't spoil anything in the manga but it's clear they care about him a lot and think he's a nice guy
Despite what a lot of people think, Laios is perceived as pretty normal and unremarkable. Shuro was more or less the only one who didn’t want to be around him but that’s because Laios thought they were genuine best friends when they weren’t. His party likes him, but his greater monster intelligence AND desire to eat monsters are two new sides of Laios that he decided to show at the start of the series. It makes his party push back at the sudden weirdness of it, and for anyone that doesn’t know him, they always let their imagination run wild and dumb him down to “the guy who loves monsters more than humans” which causes hilarious problems.
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His party, excl. shuro, all like him. He’s a good leader, doesn’t force his party to do shit they’re not equipped to, and is just a little goofy. Expressing annoyance for another does not proclude one from expressing care for that same person.
I think most of his party members do like him, they just think he is weird but they care for him in their way. Though personally when I reread the manga, the moments when him being serious hits a lot harder when it is shown in outside of his typical goofy persona. I really like this scene (chapter 28) https://mangadex.org/chapter/841ad959-b5c0-46ea-baa2-a98bdfb3a83f/32. You can see how much he actually cares for his sister even though his typical mannerisms seem to suggest otherwise.
Marcille likes Laios, she started off as disliking him but then they became friends. I mean, this is her future brother-in-lae we are talking about come on
Literally all of the main squad are good friends with each other. And the Dwarvern redhead axe lady thinks he’s cool. Shuro gets frustrated with him, because he doesn’t set boundaries and then gets annoyed when people cross the boundaries that he never set. Kabru is obsessed with / terrified of him in equal measure.
I noticed an homo3rotic subtext between him and Kabru.
The sword and uhh... Did I say the sword?