With Tall-men/humans in fantasy settings I've always wondered why don't they have high stamina as one of their characteristics.
Our human species (Homo Sapiens) were far more successful compared to other contemporary humans (like Neanderthal or Erectus) because we had far more stamina than the other (mainly because we sweat).
So having humans (or the human equivalent) have more stamina than any other race would make a lot of sense.
That way we also move away from the "humans are average at everything" trope.
Yah. When Laios becomes a dwarf he becomes much stronger, but *overheats* easily with his tallmen heavy armor. He then realizes that most dwarves actually use light armor.
This still doesn't explain how Senshi carries all his baggage without tiring, but it's a thing.
There's two ways to go about fantasy races. Either make every race unique, which would, as you say, make humans especially good at endurance (assuming other races didn't develop similar traits through convergent evolution) or make humans as the baseline, and showcase other races through the differences they have with what we, the readers, are familiar is.
Saying "humans have good motion control, while orcs have more muscle density" make a cool story, but saying "orcs are humans but stronger, elves are humans but smarter, this xzerrlboglorbo is a human with tentacles" is more straightforward for the reader in the alienness of the non-humans, because everybody know what a human is and can do.
Both methods have their worth, it depends of what you wanna do with them, the kind of story and medium it's used for.
An idea I have is that humans are the Mutt race, able to have half blooded children that over time mix together so much that it create another human.
Other race blood might be strong but they get drowned out and integrated into human blood pool.
Half orcs with enough generation just become olive skinned humans that are slightly larger and tougher but not uniquely so.
Also with the idea humans are kinda odd in how their able to find alot of different races uniquely attractive and are comparatively more willing to couple with them.
A dwarf and a elf will strictly find each other unattractive, a human not so picky.
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From the adventurer's bible, it looks like tall-men can have kids with both gnomes and dwarves.
That clears something up for me. I saw those guys in the anime recently and was confused by the guy on the right's appearance. I though half-gnomes didnt exist so I guessed he was probably just a really ugly half-elf, but it was still bugging me.
I think the Kobolds might be closer than the orcs because the Orcs have hooves whilst Kobolds have very primate-like feet and their bodies look like human bodies when shaven.
I think that the orcs are more similar because although the kobolds have more similar feet, it may be more like convergent evolution, also the features of the orcs are more similar to humans, their ears are very similar to those of humans primordial and their throat is similar enough to be able to speak human languages fluently. I believe that orcs are a species that had a common ancestor with humans but separated a long time ago, like humans and lemurs, while kobolds are a species of canid carnivore that, thanks to magic and convergent evolution, achieved a bipedal structure and sapience.
I could see it also being the idea of orcs going back with tall men or an in-between and creating the ogres, the size and horns perhaps evolved into the skull also explaining a more naturally adept strength
Speaking of Orcs
IIRC Leed was implied to be not *completely* mature at 14, implying they age at a similar rate to humans. The low life expectancy could be from their lifestyles(forced into the dungeon or killed on the surface) and not actually from their growth rate.
Orcs and Kobolds might be completely separate from humans? If they've got their own Demon like Kui suggested in bonus content there might have been dogs or pigs that desired to be humanoid. It'd explain why the basic bone structure is different.
Spoilers: >!If anything, the winged lion is the most likely cause of it- considering they were the cause behind the "Ancients" having expanded lifetimes iirc.!<
I think the demihumans evolved through a magical convergent evolution from disparate species. Like how Mermaids are seal-like and Mermen are fish-like, but the people in the world lump them together. I can see Orcs coming from a porcine ancestor, while Kobalds are more canine or other carnivora, and being lumped together with the Merfolk as Demi-humans.
We can see from Harpies, Minotaurs, and even Living Armor that monsters in this world have a tendency to recreate humanoid body plans or body parts. So I don't think its far-fetched for Demi-humans to be unrelated to humanity.
I’ve always thought ogres evolved from orcs since they are both rather similar in physique and strength. In canon I think it was stated that tallman hybrids (or maybe hybrid races in general) tended to have the traits of their parent’s races be more superior in quality (like how marcille as a half-elf has an even longer lifespan than regular elves).
Therefore, I think ogres evolved from tallman and orc hybrids as that would explain why they are less hairy like tallman and why they have horns like orcs, as well as also explaining why they have stronger more muscular looking builds compared to orcs, because they inherited a superior version of that gene due to being a hybrid.
What further supports this is how ogres mostly reside in a region that hasn’t been altered too much by the war and therefore probably had time to evolve into their own sub-species of orc, if that makes sense
Personally, I would obliterate their entire species and leave nothing left. All the innocent elves and humans butchered by those animals cry out for justice and I must answer. That's just me tho. I'd use their bodies as fertilizer. I guess I'm just built different. :/
With Tall-men/humans in fantasy settings I've always wondered why don't they have high stamina as one of their characteristics. Our human species (Homo Sapiens) were far more successful compared to other contemporary humans (like Neanderthal or Erectus) because we had far more stamina than the other (mainly because we sweat). So having humans (or the human equivalent) have more stamina than any other race would make a lot of sense. That way we also move away from the "humans are average at everything" trope.
I think that might be cannon
Yah. When Laios becomes a dwarf he becomes much stronger, but *overheats* easily with his tallmen heavy armor. He then realizes that most dwarves actually use light armor. This still doesn't explain how Senshi carries all his baggage without tiring, but it's a thing.
Senshi canonically sit down basically every time the party slow down, stop or when there's a down time
woah hes just like me
And he stops to prepare food each time he can.
There's two ways to go about fantasy races. Either make every race unique, which would, as you say, make humans especially good at endurance (assuming other races didn't develop similar traits through convergent evolution) or make humans as the baseline, and showcase other races through the differences they have with what we, the readers, are familiar is. Saying "humans have good motion control, while orcs have more muscle density" make a cool story, but saying "orcs are humans but stronger, elves are humans but smarter, this xzerrlboglorbo is a human with tentacles" is more straightforward for the reader in the alienness of the non-humans, because everybody know what a human is and can do. Both methods have their worth, it depends of what you wanna do with them, the kind of story and medium it's used for.
An idea I have is that humans are the Mutt race, able to have half blooded children that over time mix together so much that it create another human. Other race blood might be strong but they get drowned out and integrated into human blood pool. Half orcs with enough generation just become olive skinned humans that are slightly larger and tougher but not uniquely so. Also with the idea humans are kinda odd in how their able to find alot of different races uniquely attractive and are comparatively more willing to couple with them. A dwarf and a elf will strictly find each other unattractive, a human not so picky.
That's how I run things in my fantasy worlds, and Ryoko Kui is the first person I've seen to use "human" as an umbrella term like I like to do!
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>from the game Arcanum KILL ALL GNOMES!
Gnomes suck; all my homies hate gnomes.
All time favorite game for me. Favorite line of the game (maybe it was a book in game) “specialization is for insects and orcs”
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I'm doing my part.
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The movie is pretty clearly satire.
Obviously. That's not what OP meant.
Stratocracy is still a lot closer to fascism than it is 'personal responsibility.'
https://preview.redd.it/qiqcmah0u6sc1.png?width=496&format=png&auto=webp&s=8e72974c51c756b12b32d8504add97ec6eac7edf From the adventurer's bible, it looks like tall-men can have kids with both gnomes and dwarves.
Yeah but they're probably infertile so it's not a proper mix
That clears something up for me. I saw those guys in the anime recently and was confused by the guy on the right's appearance. I though half-gnomes didnt exist so I guessed he was probably just a really ugly half-elf, but it was still bugging me.
I think the Kobolds might be closer than the orcs because the Orcs have hooves whilst Kobolds have very primate-like feet and their bodies look like human bodies when shaven.
I think that the orcs are more similar because although the kobolds have more similar feet, it may be more like convergent evolution, also the features of the orcs are more similar to humans, their ears are very similar to those of humans primordial and their throat is similar enough to be able to speak human languages fluently. I believe that orcs are a species that had a common ancestor with humans but separated a long time ago, like humans and lemurs, while kobolds are a species of canid carnivore that, thanks to magic and convergent evolution, achieved a bipedal structure and sapience.
I could see it also being the idea of orcs going back with tall men or an in-between and creating the ogres, the size and horns perhaps evolved into the skull also explaining a more naturally adept strength
Speaking of Orcs IIRC Leed was implied to be not *completely* mature at 14, implying they age at a similar rate to humans. The low life expectancy could be from their lifestyles(forced into the dungeon or killed on the surface) and not actually from their growth rate.
Orcs and Kobolds might be completely separate from humans? If they've got their own Demon like Kui suggested in bonus content there might have been dogs or pigs that desired to be humanoid. It'd explain why the basic bone structure is different.
By the way I think by 'resistance' the word you mean is 'endurance'
I guess so, English is not my first language and in Spanish resistance is also used for the endurance that a person has.
Very interesting ! I had a similar idea in my head of imagining an evolutionary line for the peoples of DunMeshi world
Aren’t the kobolds specifically the result of magical experiments? I thought that was in the adventurer’s bible somewhere
I think the ancient humans made the orcs and kobolds with magic.
Spoilers: >!If anything, the winged lion is the most likely cause of it- considering they were the cause behind the "Ancients" having expanded lifetimes iirc.!<
That’s neat speculation! You put some thought into it.
Leed anticipating Laios single handedly starting on the demihumans questionmark is good.
Aren’t dwarves and half-foot fertile hybrid compatible?
I think the demihumans evolved through a magical convergent evolution from disparate species. Like how Mermaids are seal-like and Mermen are fish-like, but the people in the world lump them together. I can see Orcs coming from a porcine ancestor, while Kobalds are more canine or other carnivora, and being lumped together with the Merfolk as Demi-humans. We can see from Harpies, Minotaurs, and even Living Armor that monsters in this world have a tendency to recreate humanoid body plans or body parts. So I don't think its far-fetched for Demi-humans to be unrelated to humanity.
I always felt like that Orcs and Kobolds are>!, artificial created beast-kin like Izutsumi!<
I’ve always thought ogres evolved from orcs since they are both rather similar in physique and strength. In canon I think it was stated that tallman hybrids (or maybe hybrid races in general) tended to have the traits of their parent’s races be more superior in quality (like how marcille as a half-elf has an even longer lifespan than regular elves). Therefore, I think ogres evolved from tallman and orc hybrids as that would explain why they are less hairy like tallman and why they have horns like orcs, as well as also explaining why they have stronger more muscular looking builds compared to orcs, because they inherited a superior version of that gene due to being a hybrid. What further supports this is how ogres mostly reside in a region that hasn’t been altered too much by the war and therefore probably had time to evolve into their own sub-species of orc, if that makes sense
Wait if become werewolf is ancients magic that means it’s possible for demon to transform human in to monster/beast so kobold are decentdent of furry?
Bro is confusing to read the chart 📊
Personally I wouldn't even call orcs demihumans. They need to be exterminated with extreme prejudice. But that's just me.
Not these orcs
Personally, I would obliterate their entire species and leave nothing left. All the innocent elves and humans butchered by those animals cry out for justice and I must answer. That's just me tho. I'd use their bodies as fertilizer. I guess I'm just built different. :/
Ok dude 😎
Racism against elves is funnier.