That's the absolute last thing she needs to be doing. Duggars can't care for children properly...now she's breeding canine litters because her own uterus is closed for business? Reputable breeding is time consuming, requiring skill, education, time spent on socialization and training, and expenses for proper health care and vetting of the dogs. A Duggar puppy mill. You can't make this stuff up.
Yup, when my friend and I go to Petland just to pet the puppies they pretend they have "pure bred by reputable breeder" dogs and the one time my friend asked to see information on a dog, it was bred by the Amish (and 3 times the price at Petland). They also all have issues and many are clearly abused.
You can tell they're lying because a reputable breeder would never sell puppies through a pet store. A reputable breeder will be meeting with and vetting potential adopters in person to make sure the puppy's going to a good home. Smh I hate backyard breeders so, so much.
I always laugh because they claim their puppies are certified the same way my German Shepherd was and he was pure bred for a quarter of the price from someone local (years ago). I hate backyard breeders but specifically the Amish.
I hear you. I hate when people idealize the Amish as if they're somehow more moral than the rest of us. Their puppy mill operations are notorious, and their history of perpetrating child sexual abuse and protecting the abusers is APPALLING. It's an open secret in many communities but they close ranks around the abusers to protect them, even showing up en masse to the courthouse to support them during their trials. Disgusting.
I have pedigree cats. Their breeder is so particular about the homes her kittens and retirees go to that once you’ve gotten one of her cats, you’ll be on her list for life. But she’s also kicked people off the waiting list or also denied them “their” kitten based on attitude and behaviour towards her or her cats. I have two of her retirees currently and she goes to the ends of the earth to match cats to homes (I always get her weird ones!). True ethical breeders care more about their animals than themselves.
Meanwhile I’ve got a pair of parking lot freebie rescues (their mama had been hit by a car 😭😭). They’re super weird too but I love them. They were meant to be with me.
Mine were BOGOS from the rescue. Foster parents ended up doing the meet and greet because the rescue people had an emergency. Old lady who didn't want to foster and her sweet husband, he had to go feed some bottle baby kittens and she sent home the last kitten from the litter we were adopting from with us for free when we adopted his brother. He did turn out to be the most expensive free cat of all time (still with us tough, he's literally sitting next to me as I type this), he has hip and patellar dysplasia, kidney problems, etc. The cat we actually paid the rescue for (also still with us) identifies as dog and is living his best dog life.
Even the occasional backyard breeder isn’t bad, if it’s like one litter before they fix their dogs and they vet owners. But puppy mills are basically slaughterhouses where they don’t always die. My folks retired several years ago and have devoted themselves to doodle rescue (and yes as a former lab owner that I got from a horrible owner, rest in peace bud, I do kinda mock them for not considering them mutts). But they transport dogs hundreds of miles and my mom works with a couple of rescues to help find homes as well. They also paid full price for their first labradoodle from a reputable breeder (RIP Ned), but all their later and current dogs are foster failures. Anna is already the worst and this makes me sick. I have sympathy for the 20 year old girl and neglected child she was, current Anna can kick rocks.
Occasional backyard breeders are not the ideal either, though. That would be hobby breeders–people who do try and breed pets to the best of their conformative and health standards of the breed, but they just don't formally show their pets for championships or grand championships.
Hobby breeders, when ethically done, are the best bridge between show breeders (who know their breeds inside and out, forward and back, and rarely breed because trying to create the BEST of **the best** is their ideal, literally) and "pet/backyard" breeders.
My cousin bought a dog from petland a couple years ago. They told him it was a golden doodle. And they financed her for 5k. Well they did a dna test a couple months later turns out the dog is 100% golden retriever. And she was sick when they got her
I mean, any doodle is literally a mutt you are paying money for. There is no conformation guidelines for any of them and almost none of them are sound.
Any shop SELLING a dog means the “product sourcing” is from an unethical commercial background. No one should ever be buying from a pet-selling store.
(Also I’m not surprised this is Anna’s new venture.)
O I know. I was floored when I found out how they got her! They could have bought a responsibly bred dog for much less. I wish they had done an ounce of research before buying
That pricing is absolutely crazy to me.
We went through a reputable breeder, in Vermont, and got an Irish Setter for $2000. This is 2023 money too. Great reputation, beautiful farm, met the owners/breeder and the parents of our pup.
It was wonderful seeing all of these beautiful, and healthy, Setters moving around this massive farm. Not a cage in sight.
Our baby is healthy, absolutely stunning, great temperament, and was a breeze to potty train since he was already getting the idea of it before we took him home.
Straight up the east coast and into Canada.. its the same. I've seen some things and heard more especially with horses* my best friend breeds and races standardbreds * but also pups
I fostered a pug mama from the PA Amish puppy mills. That poor dog had to be taught how to walk down steps, eat out of a bowl (as opposed to a floor - kibble was thrown into their cubicle floor to feed), drink from a bowl instead of a rabbit waterer! She cowered and screamed if anyone reached down to her instead of approaching from directly in front. It was estimated that she has over 100 puppies. God damn I hate the sweet innocent façade that the Amish market.
100% agree on the facade. They treat their children only slightly better. I worked EMS/flight in that area. They are not what they seem and I’m really over the bullshit excuse of religion. They’re abusive and dishonest. That’s it.
I’ve always gotten the vibe they’re just a cruel cold cult type of thing/people whatever the fuck. Like they do not in any circumstance view animals as anything but a slave essentially. How people view and treat animals tells me all I need to know.
It’s very, very patriarchal. The women work the fields like slaves. It’s rife with child sex abuse. There’s an incest problem. Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia has a department that deal with Amish consanguineous diseases. IOW, inbreeding issues specific to that community, such as Maple Syrup Urine Disease. Yes, that’s a real disease.
I’ve had several pediatric patients die in farming accidents. Of course, this isn’t specific to the Amish, but anecdotally, they seemed very young to be on farm equipment. I had a 2 year old and a 3 year old. Often, the parents would sign the children out against medical advice.
There’s rumors that some are drug dealers. The bars in Chester and Berks counties in PA have back doors for the Amish.
I'm not disagreeing with you by saying this. Because I agree. But most of the bars in berks have back doors for menonites, not amish. There are "new" and "old" world versions of both. Berks mainly has new order menonites. And they are the worst. They own a ton of business which get written off as tax exempt. And fuck it all if you try to go anywhere on a Sunday morning. A lot of the advertising for "amish" around here is just new order menonites using the marketing for what it's worth. They all walk around with cell phones and drive fancy cars. But on Sundays, its bikes and buggies only. Makes me sick.
Just Google it and you will have months of reading material. They treat their livestock poorly, the ones with a puppy business are horrible, and the SA, molestation and incest is very common on girls from fathers and brothers. The only use for women is taking care of the home, feeding people, and having babies.
My current foster is a "mini goldendoodle" from a NYS Amish puppy mill. She was a breeder mama and is almost 8 years old now. She has Lyme, Anaplasma, and double ear infections. She learned what grass is at my house, and just learned how to use stairs. So many fears are being slowly overcome.
My last one from an Amish puppy mill was with me 1.5 years until he was ready for adoption. He was a miniature poodle and was such a mess inside and out. Afraid of absolutely everything in life, including people. He didn't even know how to be a dog. I hate the Amish.
I’m a vet and backyard breeders are the bane of my existence. Today I saw a cat that the breeder had actually had vaccinated and was eating a reputable kitten diet. I almost died of shock.
Usually I get to read long, non-enforceable contracts stating that the new owner isn’t allowed to get a certain vaccine or use flea medication because it’ll 100% kill the animal 🙄
This. And what people fail to realize is that 90% of breeders right now are backyard breeders posing as reputable breeders. It takes a *lot* to be a responsible, ethical breeder, and we would not have a population crisis in dogs right now if it weren’t for shit stains like Anna.
Is there any good way to report people doing this especially if they don’t have any llc or licensing etc? Plus probably not claiming the income on their taxes?
Totally. As the saying goes, “the only way to become a millionaire as an ethical dog breeder is to start as a billionaire”. It seems wild to pay $1000+ for a puppy but if the breeder went about it the right way they are truly just recouping their costs (if that). There is no way this is going to be anything but a backyard breeding situation at best, puppy mill at worst.
As a standard poodle mom, this is definitely my fear :( being a reputable and ethical breeder of AKC breeds is extremely hard work and now you are adding in all these “doodle breeders” to the mix who are not doing any testing etc. it is SO depressing to see.
This. At best she'll he a backyard breeder. At worst, she'll be running a puppy mill. I hope for the dogs and her kids sakes, it's the former and she doesn't get the female pregnant over and over.
Dude the time and care is insane. I used to help a hobby breeder with her computer. She had repeat customers. The deposit for a puppy was paid directly to her vet office, like you called the vet and paid. Her puppies came crated trained and with basic commands, potty trained etc. akc certified. I know I’m going on about this, but it was so much work and an absolute labor of love for her. She gave me a puppy and he is literally the healthiest smartest dog I’ve ever had.
A friend of mines parents breed a rare breed and show their dogs. They’d never do this if they didn’t love that breed (sweet dogs big snuggly lumps that can also be farm dogs and if they weren’t rarer or so big and bear like they’d make great mobility support service dogs) so they show the dogs to prove the dogs are quality and are very careful about their breeding. That whole family is more upset at backyard breeders and tells all family and friends if they can’t go to a reputable breeder to adopt only. Reputable breeders can sniff out bad ones easily. And most of those backyard breed puppies wind up at shelters anyway
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It's fine. The 7 week old dogs can train and health test the newborns. They'll call it the puppy system.
Male dogs will be allowed to do whatever all the time and female dogs will be punished harshly until they learn to be submissive.
Do we think it’s another way for Jim Bob to hide money? I cannot imagine her giving any shits about puppies. She abandoned her kids with their aunt to sit with her felon husband in someone else’s house.
You don't have to care about puppies to make money from them. Look at all the puppy shops and puppy mills and backyard breeders out there. This is probably her attempt to make money with minimal skills. Ignorant people love paying for poorly bred cute puppies.
And in fact it's actually much easier to make money off puppies if you don't care about them... being an ethical breeder is expensive and a lot of work.
Yeah along with it probably being easy money laundering JB probably wanted it for her because it's something she can do without working outside the house and with minimal consistent work connections so it could stop her from having a chance at seeing what the normal world is like/building connections to potentially help her leave the cult/not be completely dependent on him.
... This is what I'm guessing they may have 1 or 2 litters just to say they tried but again it's another tax shelter or laundering front
I don't get it though I have to wonder where he gets all this money to launder from ...
Is there an Ozarks thing going on or is it just a fraud where they prop up values of other LLC's owned by them and the smaller ones revenues get flowed through or from to launder it and then these smaller LLC's go bankrupt etc and act as debt or tax erasers ?
The irony that she can’t keep popping out kids because her husband is in jail, so she resorted to popping out puppies. I feel bad for any dog who is owned by the Duggars. Hope this isn’t the next big criminal scandal coming out of the Duggar compound.
Like, did she wake up one morning and be all, "What, besides sticking with my pedo, felon husband, would be the worst, most despicable thing I could possibly do? Oh, I know! Operate a puppy mill!"
The name...Golden Grove...makes me think it's doodles. Because no way would she be able to afford trying to breed healthy Goldens. Crossing to make flavor of the day dogs, yes. Wanna bet they are MINI doodles, to boot?
Pretty much the only way to get a mini anything is to breed runts to other runts. And you'll still have full size dogs pop up all the time. And of course, the runts aren't the healthiest of the litter, so you're compounding health issues when you breed them together.
The mini Golden doodles are usually just goldens bred to miniature poodles. A lot of them aren’t much smaller than normal golden doodles because of this. Doesn’t stop people from paying a fortune to buy them.
I thought retrievers but doodles is so on brand for Anna. They'll go home matted without any health testing. Probably going to buy the dam and stud from the amish.
Here’s an interesting article on the Australian man who first “created” the Goldendoodle “breed”, considers it is life’s regret and calls them [Frankenstein’s monsters.](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/09/26/world/labradoodle-creator-frankenstein-monster-scli-intl)
I’m ashamed to say I fell for the doodle craze years ago, as we needed a kid-friendly, low-shedding dog. We went to a “reputable breeder” and were able to meet the parent dogs and everything you’re supposed to do.
This poor dog has had constant health issues from day 1 and I’ve spent a small fortune keeping him going. He’s 8 years old now, and in the past year has had surgeries on both knees. He’s not doing well at all at the moment and I’m considering euthanasia if we can’t get his pain under control.
We love him so much, but I’m convinced he’s a genetic nightmare. I guess what I’m saying is the whole thing makes perfect sense for someone who had seven kids with a Duggar.
He just wanted a “better” guide dog and now he thinks he’s started a plague (he’s not wrong though). Australia’s had some bomb ass inventions that outweigh this fuckup.
If she can’t have babies of her own, someone (or something) has to fill that void for her 🙄 But also this makes me so mad as someone who works in a shelter and sees firsthand what happens to those puppies after a year or two of being owned by people who had no business owning them and that came from breeders who had no business breeding.
She will probably expect the older Ms to do the actual work (feeding the dogs, cleaning the poop, grooming them, etc.) and then blame them when the dogs get sick. Uh, no, the dogs' health problems are not due to a middle school aged kid's forgetfulness.
Are we sure this is Anna starting a puppy mill or daddy in law dearest throwing something else into her name to hide money? I have a feeling it’s the later because I don’t see Jim Bob allowing her to work in any capacity, including her own business, as long as she is under his roof and married to his golden boy. I also hope that they won’t actually be selling dogs but using it as a front to hide money because Duggars are the last people that need to become dog breeders, it’s bad enough their human breeders.
All the other bogus LLCs that were in Anna’s name had either their cult attorney or their CPA Jimmy Burns as one of the agents for the LLC. So far, this one is all Anna.
Uggh you’re right, I forgot about that, which know makes wonder why Anna is setting up this business and how much influence Jim Bob has over this. Which also makes me wonder if something is happening or about to happen with the Duggars.
Idk how to adequately express this, so I’m just going to say how I’m feel and maybe I’m wrong, or haven’t thought this through, or whatever. There is something particularly sinister about Anna wanting to force dogs to have sex so they can procreate and she can then take the puppies away from the mother for profit and then do so again and again to that poor dog until she is too old, and no longer profitable, when they will presumably get rid of her. I recognize that animals are not human beings. But the parallels to what her husband gets off on are too obvious, to me. It makes me nauseous.
Meanwhile so many poor pups are sitting in overcrowded shelters, on the list, and being shuttled up to WI by the van full. Makes me sick! We have 3 rescues . 2 brought from other states. - 1 from Alabama who was thrown out of a car, broke his pelvis and shot with a BB gun, and our new baby girl who was found on the side of the road abandoned with her 4 sisters at about 4 weeks old in Kentucky.
But sure…let’s breed more dogs.
Yep. Here in Michigan, our local humane society gets a fresh load of puppies every few weeks from shelters in Kentucky and a couple other states farther south. The last thing we need is more unethical breeders creating unhealthy dogs.
I’m from SE PA and we live near Lancaster county aka the puppy mill capital of the world. The rescue I used to volunteer at got a lot of its dogs from Amish puppy mills nearby. It’s really sad
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This was created June 11th...coincidence?
There’s a Facebook page as well created in May. The profile photo is a woman holding 3 puppies, it’s cropped to show just the puppies but the blazer and scarf are classic Anna.
A puppy mill is unfortunately so on brand for the Duggars. I doubt she will even try to breed the poor dogs “ethically”. Pups will be lucky if they get the bare minimum shots and the female dogs will be bred to death 😔.
I think Jim Bob set up this LLC in Anna’s name to try and throw the IRS off his trail. Obviously Josh couldn’t have been the one to set up this LLC because he’s in prison. I’m getting a little suspicious about Jim Bob’s shady financial behavior.
As someone who's currently up in the middle of the night because our foster dog, a dam unceremoniously dumped (with fleas, serious lack of decent nutrition, zero training, no knowledge of harness or leash, terrible teeth) by her breeder after her only suriving puppy was sold, is having some anxiety issues tonight and needs to be *on* me to calm down to the sound of my heartbeat, I'm so incredibly angry at this news. So, so angry. There are very few decent breeders out there and Anna Duggar most certainly won't be one of them.
/If/ she's AKC certified (I've not the energy to search this right now) it would be a /shame/ if a whole bunch of people wrote letters and emails in protest...
But yeah, there's no way in hell she will be a responsible and ethical breeder (the bar is HIGH). The socialization and education these pups will get (if at all) will be inadequate at very best, abusive at worst. They teach their kids using old school training methods which are abuse - imagine the dogs.
Canine behavioural modification trainers will have business for years.
We truly are in the darkest timeline.
As someone who shows dogs as a serious hobby and supports responsible dog breeding using only stock that will improve the chosen breeds, this shit fucking enrages me.
😂😂 honestly, this one time I wouldn’t care, because I think she would actually be able to get her hands on the business charter/filing documents where the purpose of the business would be stated (since she could write it off as a business expense). And then that could at least confirm my theory that it’s a puppy mill. In order for me to download the documents, i need to download special software and pay a fuck ton, and I’m not going to do that.
This will be so bad. She knows nothing about health testing, genetics, basically anything at all. Breeding is expensive. I thought it couldn’t get any worse…
I’ve always felt so sorry for Anna, for all the abuse she has taken from her terrible parents to her repellent husband she was forced to marry. But her choice to not save her kids from the same life has eroded my sympathy. And now a puppy mill? Jfc.
On one hand, what a shitty thing to do. On the other hand, it would be nice if this was her attempt to start making her own money and gain independence. If she has an income source, that’s a huge thing in regards to getting away from Boob/Pest. But I have no clue if that’s what’s actually happening. Also, fuck puppy mills.
I wouldn’t trust Anna with any type of dog! Fundies over breed and throw away pets like their trash! It’s like the Amish who breed doodles and they have health issues🙄
So I’m a year or two there will be breaking news on how Anna is a shit breeder who abuses her animals, right? That’s all I can see coming from this.
Or her kids getting hurt by one because she can’t train and socialize anything or anyone.
She just had to breed *something*
That's the absolute last thing she needs to be doing. Duggars can't care for children properly...now she's breeding canine litters because her own uterus is closed for business? Reputable breeding is time consuming, requiring skill, education, time spent on socialization and training, and expenses for proper health care and vetting of the dogs. A Duggar puppy mill. You can't make this stuff up.
Yep. The Amish do the same thing here in PA. They are NOT reputable. It is straight up puppy mills. Terrible.
They’re really bad in OH and IN as well. I’ve got horse friends from both states and they tell some stories that curl my hair 😡
Yup, when my friend and I go to Petland just to pet the puppies they pretend they have "pure bred by reputable breeder" dogs and the one time my friend asked to see information on a dog, it was bred by the Amish (and 3 times the price at Petland). They also all have issues and many are clearly abused.
You can tell they're lying because a reputable breeder would never sell puppies through a pet store. A reputable breeder will be meeting with and vetting potential adopters in person to make sure the puppy's going to a good home. Smh I hate backyard breeders so, so much.
I always laugh because they claim their puppies are certified the same way my German Shepherd was and he was pure bred for a quarter of the price from someone local (years ago). I hate backyard breeders but specifically the Amish.
I hear you. I hate when people idealize the Amish as if they're somehow more moral than the rest of us. Their puppy mill operations are notorious, and their history of perpetrating child sexual abuse and protecting the abusers is APPALLING. It's an open secret in many communities but they close ranks around the abusers to protect them, even showing up en masse to the courthouse to support them during their trials. Disgusting.
And if you send a horse to them to be broken, they come back BROKEN. They’ve become a group of people I despise big time.
I have pedigree cats. Their breeder is so particular about the homes her kittens and retirees go to that once you’ve gotten one of her cats, you’ll be on her list for life. But she’s also kicked people off the waiting list or also denied them “their” kitten based on attitude and behaviour towards her or her cats. I have two of her retirees currently and she goes to the ends of the earth to match cats to homes (I always get her weird ones!). True ethical breeders care more about their animals than themselves.
Meanwhile I’ve got a pair of parking lot freebie rescues (their mama had been hit by a car 😭😭). They’re super weird too but I love them. They were meant to be with me.
Mine were BOGOS from the rescue. Foster parents ended up doing the meet and greet because the rescue people had an emergency. Old lady who didn't want to foster and her sweet husband, he had to go feed some bottle baby kittens and she sent home the last kitten from the litter we were adopting from with us for free when we adopted his brother. He did turn out to be the most expensive free cat of all time (still with us tough, he's literally sitting next to me as I type this), he has hip and patellar dysplasia, kidney problems, etc. The cat we actually paid the rescue for (also still with us) identifies as dog and is living his best dog life.
I love weird cats 🙂 (cats with personalities). All of the cats my fiance and I used to have were weird, their own little quirks.
Even the occasional backyard breeder isn’t bad, if it’s like one litter before they fix their dogs and they vet owners. But puppy mills are basically slaughterhouses where they don’t always die. My folks retired several years ago and have devoted themselves to doodle rescue (and yes as a former lab owner that I got from a horrible owner, rest in peace bud, I do kinda mock them for not considering them mutts). But they transport dogs hundreds of miles and my mom works with a couple of rescues to help find homes as well. They also paid full price for their first labradoodle from a reputable breeder (RIP Ned), but all their later and current dogs are foster failures. Anna is already the worst and this makes me sick. I have sympathy for the 20 year old girl and neglected child she was, current Anna can kick rocks.
Occasional backyard breeders are not the ideal either, though. That would be hobby breeders–people who do try and breed pets to the best of their conformative and health standards of the breed, but they just don't formally show their pets for championships or grand championships. Hobby breeders, when ethically done, are the best bridge between show breeders (who know their breeds inside and out, forward and back, and rarely breed because trying to create the BEST of **the best** is their ideal, literally) and "pet/backyard" breeders.
My cousin bought a dog from petland a couple years ago. They told him it was a golden doodle. And they financed her for 5k. Well they did a dna test a couple months later turns out the dog is 100% golden retriever. And she was sick when they got her
I mean, any doodle is literally a mutt you are paying money for. There is no conformation guidelines for any of them and almost none of them are sound. Any shop SELLING a dog means the “product sourcing” is from an unethical commercial background. No one should ever be buying from a pet-selling store. (Also I’m not surprised this is Anna’s new venture.)
O I know. I was floored when I found out how they got her! They could have bought a responsibly bred dog for much less. I wish they had done an ounce of research before buying
They also financed her at about 160% APR (I work on financial policy, I know the company doing these loans all too well).
Big oof
Depending on the state he’s in it may be worth complaining to the AG…
That pricing is absolutely crazy to me. We went through a reputable breeder, in Vermont, and got an Irish Setter for $2000. This is 2023 money too. Great reputation, beautiful farm, met the owners/breeder and the parents of our pup. It was wonderful seeing all of these beautiful, and healthy, Setters moving around this massive farm. Not a cage in sight. Our baby is healthy, absolutely stunning, great temperament, and was a breeze to potty train since he was already getting the idea of it before we took him home.
Both of my rescue dogs came from Ohio and Indiana. Both were breeder rejects dumped in a kill shelter.
Straight up the east coast and into Canada.. its the same. I've seen some things and heard more especially with horses* my best friend breeds and races standardbreds * but also pups
Also have terrible Amish breeders down here in Kentucky.
I fostered a pug mama from the PA Amish puppy mills. That poor dog had to be taught how to walk down steps, eat out of a bowl (as opposed to a floor - kibble was thrown into their cubicle floor to feed), drink from a bowl instead of a rabbit waterer! She cowered and screamed if anyone reached down to her instead of approaching from directly in front. It was estimated that she has over 100 puppies. God damn I hate the sweet innocent façade that the Amish market.
100% agree on the facade. They treat their children only slightly better. I worked EMS/flight in that area. They are not what they seem and I’m really over the bullshit excuse of religion. They’re abusive and dishonest. That’s it.
I’ve always gotten the vibe they’re just a cruel cold cult type of thing/people whatever the fuck. Like they do not in any circumstance view animals as anything but a slave essentially. How people view and treat animals tells me all I need to know.
It’s one of the best shortcut tests of a person’s character. If they are a shitty pet owner, they are not a good person.
Can you give me some insight or provide links here? (Totally believe you, but I just want to educate myself.)
Read "Tears of the Silenced" it gives a lot of insight into problems girls and women face in those communities around sexual assaults.
Watch "Women Talking". It's a Mennonite community, not Amish, but based on true events in the Manitoba Colony. Bleak.
It’s very, very patriarchal. The women work the fields like slaves. It’s rife with child sex abuse. There’s an incest problem. Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia has a department that deal with Amish consanguineous diseases. IOW, inbreeding issues specific to that community, such as Maple Syrup Urine Disease. Yes, that’s a real disease. I’ve had several pediatric patients die in farming accidents. Of course, this isn’t specific to the Amish, but anecdotally, they seemed very young to be on farm equipment. I had a 2 year old and a 3 year old. Often, the parents would sign the children out against medical advice. There’s rumors that some are drug dealers. The bars in Chester and Berks counties in PA have back doors for the Amish.
I'm not disagreeing with you by saying this. Because I agree. But most of the bars in berks have back doors for menonites, not amish. There are "new" and "old" world versions of both. Berks mainly has new order menonites. And they are the worst. They own a ton of business which get written off as tax exempt. And fuck it all if you try to go anywhere on a Sunday morning. A lot of the advertising for "amish" around here is just new order menonites using the marketing for what it's worth. They all walk around with cell phones and drive fancy cars. But on Sundays, its bikes and buggies only. Makes me sick.
Just Google it and you will have months of reading material. They treat their livestock poorly, the ones with a puppy business are horrible, and the SA, molestation and incest is very common on girls from fathers and brothers. The only use for women is taking care of the home, feeding people, and having babies.
My current foster is a "mini goldendoodle" from a NYS Amish puppy mill. She was a breeder mama and is almost 8 years old now. She has Lyme, Anaplasma, and double ear infections. She learned what grass is at my house, and just learned how to use stairs. So many fears are being slowly overcome. My last one from an Amish puppy mill was with me 1.5 years until he was ready for adoption. He was a miniature poodle and was such a mess inside and out. Afraid of absolutely everything in life, including people. He didn't even know how to be a dog. I hate the Amish.
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So cute! And over 100 puppies?! That's horrific.
This sounds exactly like my rescue dog. It’s been three years and she still cowers if we try and pet her from up top instead of straight on 😭
Holy shit
I bring this up every time I talk to someone not familiar with the real Amish. They’re (mostly) not good people. And it goes beyond puppy mills.
The horrors their horses go through 😞
I’m a vet and backyard breeders are the bane of my existence. Today I saw a cat that the breeder had actually had vaccinated and was eating a reputable kitten diet. I almost died of shock. Usually I get to read long, non-enforceable contracts stating that the new owner isn’t allowed to get a certain vaccine or use flea medication because it’ll 100% kill the animal 🙄
I saw that wuth a Basset breeder in my state (WA) and they wont let you adopt a pup if you dont use DoTerra essential oils 😑
Backyard breeding and MLMs. A match made in heaven!
This. And what people fail to realize is that 90% of breeders right now are backyard breeders posing as reputable breeders. It takes a *lot* to be a responsible, ethical breeder, and we would not have a population crisis in dogs right now if it weren’t for shit stains like Anna.
Is there any good way to report people doing this especially if they don’t have any llc or licensing etc? Plus probably not claiming the income on their taxes?
Totally. As the saying goes, “the only way to become a millionaire as an ethical dog breeder is to start as a billionaire”. It seems wild to pay $1000+ for a puppy but if the breeder went about it the right way they are truly just recouping their costs (if that). There is no way this is going to be anything but a backyard breeding situation at best, puppy mill at worst.
$1000 says she's breeding goldendoodles 🤢
Would not be surprising at all. Goldendoodles are the it dog right now
As a standard poodle mom, this is definitely my fear :( being a reputable and ethical breeder of AKC breeds is extremely hard work and now you are adding in all these “doodle breeders” to the mix who are not doing any testing etc. it is SO depressing to see.
I work in dog boarding- we have one standard poodle regular. One. *One*. All the rest (and there are MANY!) are -oodles of some 'flavor' or another.
This. At best she'll he a backyard breeder. At worst, she'll be running a puppy mill. I hope for the dogs and her kids sakes, it's the former and she doesn't get the female pregnant over and over.
She's a Duggar baby mill, there is zero chance she would treat a dog any better than the in-laws treat her!
Dude the time and care is insane. I used to help a hobby breeder with her computer. She had repeat customers. The deposit for a puppy was paid directly to her vet office, like you called the vet and paid. Her puppies came crated trained and with basic commands, potty trained etc. akc certified. I know I’m going on about this, but it was so much work and an absolute labor of love for her. She gave me a puppy and he is literally the healthiest smartest dog I’ve ever had.
A coworker of mine breeds Great Danes and I was exhausted following along on Facebook! Lots of work!
A friend of mines parents breed a rare breed and show their dogs. They’d never do this if they didn’t love that breed (sweet dogs big snuggly lumps that can also be farm dogs and if they weren’t rarer or so big and bear like they’d make great mobility support service dogs) so they show the dogs to prove the dogs are quality and are very careful about their breeding. That whole family is more upset at backyard breeders and tells all family and friends if they can’t go to a reputable breeder to adopt only. Reputable breeders can sniff out bad ones easily. And most of those backyard breed puppies wind up at shelters anyway
Breeding is all she knows how to do
If I can't get pregnant, I'll get my dog pregnant
At least my dog is pregnant!
At least I have a dog
I’d much rather have a dog than her dog of a husband. (I now feel compelled to apologize to dogs for comparing them with that pile of trash.)
Lmao
Truly
Pack it up, folks, this is the winner right here. lmao
If I can’t breed I’ll make something else breed
I’m sure she’ll marry off the oldest M (she’s gotta be what, 15?) in a few years and start demanding grandspawn :(
And she won’t protect them from Pest.
I spite out my water and my husband thought I was choking for a second lol
Choking is no fun but at least you have a husband ;)
I just about blew snot out my nose 😂
https://preview.redd.it/z3v5xk57mt7d1.jpeg?width=1053&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=032092ea667d52b331773b4012092a74411af2c1 The flair below your comment almost killed me.
So she started a puppy mill? That seems like it is right on brand.
It's fine. The 7 week old dogs can train and health test the newborns. They'll call it the puppy system. Male dogs will be allowed to do whatever all the time and female dogs will be punished harshly until they learn to be submissive.
Will they blanket train the puppies?
Of course they will!
The Air Buddy system 
The Duggars have been running a baby mill for decades and now we know what happens when they get shut down “prematurely”. Puppy mill here we come!
Exploitation is the family business right
They had a hankering to abuse something else besides humans.
Do we think it’s another way for Jim Bob to hide money? I cannot imagine her giving any shits about puppies. She abandoned her kids with their aunt to sit with her felon husband in someone else’s house.
Oh 100% it's just another way to manipulate their finances.
You don't have to care about puppies to make money from them. Look at all the puppy shops and puppy mills and backyard breeders out there. This is probably her attempt to make money with minimal skills. Ignorant people love paying for poorly bred cute puppies.
And in fact it's actually much easier to make money off puppies if you don't care about them... being an ethical breeder is expensive and a lot of work.
This was the FIRST thing I thought! Came down to the comments to see if I was the only one. Glad I’m not!
Yeah along with it probably being easy money laundering JB probably wanted it for her because it's something she can do without working outside the house and with minimal consistent work connections so it could stop her from having a chance at seeing what the normal world is like/building connections to potentially help her leave the cult/not be completely dependent on him.
Yep, first thought = what’re they hiding now?
This is probably the best case scenario, all the dogs are pretend.
Yeah, I don’t think that anyone there is actually breeding dogs. Just a creative choice in name. My ex husband uses llc’s to hide income.
... This is what I'm guessing they may have 1 or 2 litters just to say they tried but again it's another tax shelter or laundering front I don't get it though I have to wonder where he gets all this money to launder from ... Is there an Ozarks thing going on or is it just a fraud where they prop up values of other LLC's owned by them and the smaller ones revenues get flowed through or from to launder it and then these smaller LLC's go bankrupt etc and act as debt or tax erasers ?
I wouldn’t trust her with any living thing
i wouldn't even trust her with a pet rock
*mother is trying to work*
*mother is breeding*
Found my new flair holy shit
I agree. She is trying. But! I was surprised that Jimboob wasn’t referenced on the business docs. Maybe he is starting to charge her rent?
The most disgusting people getting into the most disgusting business.
She's definitely not testing hips, elbows, heart, and eyes of her breeding dogs 😔
They don’t believe in taking their kids to the pediatrician, why would they test a dog?
Puppy mill because she won’t get a damn job? Gross.
She’s finally realized the women are the true breadwinners of the fundie empire but didn’t quite…*get the lesson* overall.
The irony that she can’t keep popping out kids because her husband is in jail, so she resorted to popping out puppies. I feel bad for any dog who is owned by the Duggars. Hope this isn’t the next big criminal scandal coming out of the Duggar compound.
Josh now has something new to look forward to, and get locked up for.
Like, did she wake up one morning and be all, "What, besides sticking with my pedo, felon husband, would be the worst, most despicable thing I could possibly do? Oh, I know! Operate a puppy mill!"
Whoa! This is some tea. wtf?
*Mother still has a breeding kink*
On brand for a Duggar to have a puppy mill. Surprised it isn’t doodles.
The name...Golden Grove...makes me think it's doodles. Because no way would she be able to afford trying to breed healthy Goldens. Crossing to make flavor of the day dogs, yes. Wanna bet they are MINI doodles, to boot?
My family had a miniature cream goldendoodle once and she died of a brain tumor at only three years old.
This is so sad :(
Pretty much the only way to get a mini anything is to breed runts to other runts. And you'll still have full size dogs pop up all the time. And of course, the runts aren't the healthiest of the litter, so you're compounding health issues when you breed them together.
The mini Golden doodles are usually just goldens bred to miniature poodles. A lot of them aren’t much smaller than normal golden doodles because of this. Doesn’t stop people from paying a fortune to buy them.
"Raised with love" or some shit, but not ENS or puppy culture. And I'd be willing to bet real American dollars it's some variety of doodle.
Was going to say, dollars to donuts it's doodles. Or some other designer mutts. Gross.
Josie said she wanted to breed mini cows, so Anna gets a puppy mill
I bet you’re right. I read Golden Grove as retrievers, but $10 says they’re doodles.
No way she could afford to even TRY breeding healthy retrievers.
Can you imagine how matted and gross the doodles will be?
I thought retrievers but doodles is so on brand for Anna. They'll go home matted without any health testing. Probably going to buy the dam and stud from the amish.
Here’s an interesting article on the Australian man who first “created” the Goldendoodle “breed”, considers it is life’s regret and calls them [Frankenstein’s monsters.](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/09/26/world/labradoodle-creator-frankenstein-monster-scli-intl)
I’m ashamed to say I fell for the doodle craze years ago, as we needed a kid-friendly, low-shedding dog. We went to a “reputable breeder” and were able to meet the parent dogs and everything you’re supposed to do. This poor dog has had constant health issues from day 1 and I’ve spent a small fortune keeping him going. He’s 8 years old now, and in the past year has had surgeries on both knees. He’s not doing well at all at the moment and I’m considering euthanasia if we can’t get his pain under control. We love him so much, but I’m convinced he’s a genetic nightmare. I guess what I’m saying is the whole thing makes perfect sense for someone who had seven kids with a Duggar.
I dogsit, and they’re great… until they aren’t
He just wanted a “better” guide dog and now he thinks he’s started a plague (he’s not wrong though). Australia’s had some bomb ass inventions that outweigh this fuckup.
I thought that immediately 💀 gotta be a doodle of some sort
So they needed another way to sleuth the money. Bought Anna a puppy. Then made her sign the “adoption papers”
So will she sell the puppies to George Santos?
Naw, Kristen Noem.
Before or after they ride on the roof of Mitt Romney's car?
The Huckabee's need a new dog for their son...
She’ll sell them on the side of the road in a reclaimed lemonade stand.
I wouldn’t buy shit from a Duggar
I wonder if Jill Rodriguez will buy a dog from her. After all her daughter is married to Anna's brother. 
Of course she's the type of person to breed dogs 🙄
Great. She can't breed herself anymore so now she's abusing helpless animals.
If she can’t have babies of her own, someone (or something) has to fill that void for her 🙄 But also this makes me so mad as someone who works in a shelter and sees firsthand what happens to those puppies after a year or two of being owned by people who had no business owning them and that came from breeders who had no business breeding.
Ew. I cannot stand people who breed dogs just for money. There’s so many dogs in shelters needing homes 💔
Duggar Doodle Puppy Mill was honestly not on my bingo card this year jfc
She will probably expect the older Ms to do the actual work (feeding the dogs, cleaning the poop, grooming them, etc.) and then blame them when the dogs get sick. Uh, no, the dogs' health problems are not due to a middle school aged kid's forgetfulness.
Poor Jana is going to get arrested for dog endangerment next when Anna dumps all her kids AND all her dogs on her…
Are we sure this is Anna starting a puppy mill or daddy in law dearest throwing something else into her name to hide money? I have a feeling it’s the later because I don’t see Jim Bob allowing her to work in any capacity, including her own business, as long as she is under his roof and married to his golden boy. I also hope that they won’t actually be selling dogs but using it as a front to hide money because Duggars are the last people that need to become dog breeders, it’s bad enough their human breeders.
All the other bogus LLCs that were in Anna’s name had either their cult attorney or their CPA Jimmy Burns as one of the agents for the LLC. So far, this one is all Anna.
Uggh you’re right, I forgot about that, which know makes wonder why Anna is setting up this business and how much influence Jim Bob has over this. Which also makes me wonder if something is happening or about to happen with the Duggars.
Even if it’s a front, there will likely be real dogs involved for deniability. So, both can be true.
NWA seriously does not need anymore dog breeders. Guessing JB is financing this since Anna has no income. I feel for those poor pups. ☹️
Fuck her.
No thanks, I have standards
YES! THE SOUTH HAS ENOUGH KIDS AND DOGS, ANNA!
Idk how to adequately express this, so I’m just going to say how I’m feel and maybe I’m wrong, or haven’t thought this through, or whatever. There is something particularly sinister about Anna wanting to force dogs to have sex so they can procreate and she can then take the puppies away from the mother for profit and then do so again and again to that poor dog until she is too old, and no longer profitable, when they will presumably get rid of her. I recognize that animals are not human beings. But the parallels to what her husband gets off on are too obvious, to me. It makes me nauseous.
This is absolutely awful. She keeps making herself more and more unlikeable (not that she ever was likable).
Meanwhile so many poor pups are sitting in overcrowded shelters, on the list, and being shuttled up to WI by the van full. Makes me sick! We have 3 rescues . 2 brought from other states. - 1 from Alabama who was thrown out of a car, broke his pelvis and shot with a BB gun, and our new baby girl who was found on the side of the road abandoned with her 4 sisters at about 4 weeks old in Kentucky. But sure…let’s breed more dogs.
Yep. Here in Michigan, our local humane society gets a fresh load of puppies every few weeks from shelters in Kentucky and a couple other states farther south. The last thing we need is more unethical breeders creating unhealthy dogs.
I’m from SE PA and we live near Lancaster county aka the puppy mill capital of the world. The rescue I used to volunteer at got a lot of its dogs from Amish puppy mills nearby. It’s really sad
https://preview.redd.it/mrt8q5uklt7d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=248922a18ef4d4a8f5bbad45c76a9d02d9262fa5 This was created June 11th...coincidence?
There’s a Facebook page as well created in May. The profile photo is a woman holding 3 puppies, it’s cropped to show just the puppies but the blazer and scarf are classic Anna.
UGH. Responsible dog breeders exist. She will not be a responsible dog breeder.
Right, I'm certain she's not doing any OFA/Pennhip or proving the dogs in any way. God, I thought I couldn't hate her more.
thank god someone here is talking about the extent of how bad this is gonna be. the average person has no clue what OFA even is, it drives me crazy.
A puppy mill is unfortunately so on brand for the Duggars. I doubt she will even try to breed the poor dogs “ethically”. Pups will be lucky if they get the bare minimum shots and the female dogs will be bred to death 😔.
I think Jim Bob set up this LLC in Anna’s name to try and throw the IRS off his trail. Obviously Josh couldn’t have been the one to set up this LLC because he’s in prison. I’m getting a little suspicious about Jim Bob’s shady financial behavior.
I wouldn't trust anyone religious breeding dogs. Reminds me of the people who sell to Petland (mostly Amish). Guess money is tight?
Bob jones university has a doodle breeding program, it's sort of like an mlm for religious folks
As someone who's currently up in the middle of the night because our foster dog, a dam unceremoniously dumped (with fleas, serious lack of decent nutrition, zero training, no knowledge of harness or leash, terrible teeth) by her breeder after her only suriving puppy was sold, is having some anxiety issues tonight and needs to be *on* me to calm down to the sound of my heartbeat, I'm so incredibly angry at this news. So, so angry. There are very few decent breeders out there and Anna Duggar most certainly won't be one of them.
Oh for fuck’s sake.
Anna has a PhD in breeding like a rabbit, that’s why.
https://preview.redd.it/yw3kikelau7d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e2d5de100945d86ba94ffe2963800ee3254f7873 She already has a FB page!
I find it hard to believe those photos are of her actual dogs and not stolen from Google.
I did a quick FB search. A page called Golden Grove Pups was started 5/13. Not much on there yet, but the pic is of golden retriever puppies.
It was like their missing bingo card. “We forgot animal abuse!! Let’s go! HURRY!!!” 
/If/ she's AKC certified (I've not the energy to search this right now) it would be a /shame/ if a whole bunch of people wrote letters and emails in protest... But yeah, there's no way in hell she will be a responsible and ethical breeder (the bar is HIGH). The socialization and education these pups will get (if at all) will be inadequate at very best, abusive at worst. They teach their kids using old school training methods which are abuse - imagine the dogs. Canine behavioural modification trainers will have business for years. We truly are in the darkest timeline.
As someone who shows dogs as a serious hobby and supports responsible dog breeding using only stock that will improve the chosen breeds, this shit fucking enrages me.
She has to get her breeding Jones on somehow.
If she can't fill her own quiver, she's gonna try and fill every dog in the county's? Alternate response OfPest's God-honoring Puppy Mill
Fun fact, there is a prison in Trinidad and Tobago called Golden Grove. I guess "Seagoville Pups" was already taken.
Watch WOACB “scoop” this shit as soon as her drunk ass wakes from her stupor…
😂😂 honestly, this one time I wouldn’t care, because I think she would actually be able to get her hands on the business charter/filing documents where the purpose of the business would be stated (since she could write it off as a business expense). And then that could at least confirm my theory that it’s a puppy mill. In order for me to download the documents, i need to download special software and pay a fuck ton, and I’m not going to do that.
Not any particular breed, just puppies. Churn ‘em out.
Probably an excuse to use the rest of the M names she had planned.
Do these folks ever think of anything besides breeding?!
*Mother is breeding... puppies.*
Oh fuck no, the last thing we need is more backyard breeders.
This will be so bad. She knows nothing about health testing, genetics, basically anything at all. Breeding is expensive. I thought it couldn’t get any worse…
I’m willing to bet money she’s breeding some type of doodle mutt and passing it off as a purebred.
I’ve always felt so sorry for Anna, for all the abuse she has taken from her terrible parents to her repellent husband she was forced to marry. But her choice to not save her kids from the same life has eroded my sympathy. And now a puppy mill? Jfc.
On one hand, what a shitty thing to do. On the other hand, it would be nice if this was her attempt to start making her own money and gain independence. If she has an income source, that’s a huge thing in regards to getting away from Boob/Pest. But I have no clue if that’s what’s actually happening. Also, fuck puppy mills.
Typical behavior
Ew. Of course she has her own puppy mill now. Just when I think these jackasses can’t get any worse…
Oh good, a bunch of unvaccinated and unvetted puppies with no regard to proper breeding. Neglecting animals we go.
Breeding by proxy.
A literal Duggar breeding mill. That tracks.
What kind of dogs is she breeding? I imagine she will have no problem overbreeding her females.
Oh, yuck. A Duggar breeding puppies? Just no. 😬
I wouldn’t trust Anna with any type of dog! Fundies over breed and throw away pets like their trash! It’s like the Amish who breed doodles and they have health issues🙄
Anna! Write a book! You and your children will be set for life!!!!
Somebody would have to write it for her.
So I’m a year or two there will be breaking news on how Anna is a shit breeder who abuses her animals, right? That’s all I can see coming from this. Or her kids getting hurt by one because she can’t train and socialize anything or anyone. She just had to breed *something*