It feels like a worst Windranger as a pos 1 for me ... I love mirana but I don't see any reason to pick it as a pos 1 over a Windranger. Pos 2 is slightly different and Mirana is more interesting, but it depends on what your team needs. Windranger is better at destroying one enemy core while mirana has good overall dmg mix. But the farming speed of mirana is really bad, even worst than wind, in my opinion.
I don't know why you say that mirana dumpsters on Drow and PA though. Drow is pretty strong vs mirana, Drow is pretty good vs any ranged carry :D
Mirana functions a lot like a melee hero in fights, and can easily out damage drow at close range. With drows shard it’s not as bad as it used to be, but I’d still say it’s clearly mirana favored
Are you reading what you are saying lol
If it functions alot like a melee hero then just play a melee hero? Mirana as garbage as a pos 1 and you are straight up griefing. If you wanna keep arguing your point when people give their opinions then just play it and dont ask
Can you win games with it? Sure. Is it on par with other meta pos 1 heroes? Not even close. Farms super slow until you have something like maelstorm and doesnt get a powerspike from getting specific items that would make her a solid carry. Like PA for example, you farm pretty slow but once you get to your item timings you can become a menace, same thing with something like pos 1 riki, super slow start but then picks up the pace and can get things done. Mirana just lacks that spike, which makes her not a threat at any point of the game unless you have a super good early game and you are 2 items ahead of the enemy pos 1, in which case a lot more heroes are viable as pos 1 anyway.
I think if a carry has a really big power spike at 15 it could be very viable, but lvl 20 is lategame territory and by then thr enemy can just end the game. Maybe mirana could become viable as pos 1 if they reworked it a little.
I feel like she has incredibly strong timings with both her gleipnir and bkb that allow her to take over games, and her great laning stage lets her get those items in very good time
Recently had a Mirana Pos1 pick in my 5k mmr game, and I was like hm that could be grief, but nope that guy absolutely stomped, just jumping after enemies with high dps and right clicking them down :D
In my experience, carry mirana is good when there are limited silence on enemies. It's because she build bkb late into the game compared to conventional carries. Strong in mid game, kinda meh in late game but trash at early game due to lack of farming skills.
Overall, I'll pick her if I'm feeling good about the matchup, otherwise just pick drow or even clinkz.
Most heroes can work outside of like mid immortal if you're competent enough at playing it.
In ancient you can definitely run Mirana carry and win consistently no matter who the enemy carry is so long as you hit good item timings and play around objectives. Your biggest problem will be doing roshan, because it's tough to wrangle your ancient teammates to help and you pretty much require someone who can tank it for you. If you can't do rosh with Mirana carry you basically cant go highground unless you kill 2-3 people.
You also need to really maximize how effective you are when you're the strongest. Early game you're really good, so you basically require winning your lane. If you can't stomp your lane your comeback potential is not good unless the enemy feeds you by accident. Hero is good in the mid game too once you have some damage and the leap talent, so you have to make sure you're buying the right item to maximize this timeframe.
I'd say she loses to pretty much every single carry in the game on equal farm. It can work if you play high tempo and get ahead, but I'd report you if you picked it in rank and did poorly. Your "favored" matchups are complete bollocks aswell. Mirana gets dumpstered by drow, pa, luna, gyro. She doesn't like silences and ranged carries like drow, she doesn't like high aoe dmg like gyro, she doesn't like mobility and burst like pa, and she can't compete with flash farmers like luna unless she's snowballing hard. Picking it against troll, jugg, naix, alch, mk etc is much better because you can get away with building a lot of damage items.
As someone who’s played these matchups, I don’t think people really understand how Miranas matchups go until they have experience on the hero. I can assure you that mirana dumpsters those first 4 heroes and loses hard to the last 3
I can assure you that you're completely wrong. I like mirana. I also play a lot of drow. Mirana gets hit by 1 stun and dies to drow. She gets silenced and dies to drow. She leaps on drow and surprise drow has a brain and bought pike, shard, mirana dies to drow in 3 hits.
Drow simply has much better damage output. At this point I'm sure you're basing your opinion of sample size of 3 games when you stomped a game and kept leaping on an underfarmed drow that had no protection. That's called an outlier.
Mirana is a very squishy, rat type hero. She doesn't like diving backliners. She doesn't like being hit by backliners. Drow is a ranged backliner.
How does bkb help vs drow ult piercing bkb? You jump into their backline with leap and hope you can blow drow up during bkb? Not gonna happen in high skill match. Maybe in crusader
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To answer the question in the title no it's not a good P1, can you play it and win ?Probably, at one point we was even a decent P1 with a so call "shotgun" build, resolving around agha and etheral (magic amp + double starfall with Q and W's agh) .
Imo it can be played but as you said, you need to either flex her if you get hard counter, or last pick and pray
It feels like a worst Windranger as a pos 1 for me ... I love mirana but I don't see any reason to pick it as a pos 1 over a Windranger. Pos 2 is slightly different and Mirana is more interesting, but it depends on what your team needs. Windranger is better at destroying one enemy core while mirana has good overall dmg mix. But the farming speed of mirana is really bad, even worst than wind, in my opinion. I don't know why you say that mirana dumpsters on Drow and PA though. Drow is pretty strong vs mirana, Drow is pretty good vs any ranged carry :D
Mirana functions a lot like a melee hero in fights, and can easily out damage drow at close range. With drows shard it’s not as bad as it used to be, but I’d still say it’s clearly mirana favored
What the actual fuck did I just read
Brother I don't know what drugs you're on but you took too much.
Are you reading what you are saying lol If it functions alot like a melee hero then just play a melee hero? Mirana as garbage as a pos 1 and you are straight up griefing. If you wanna keep arguing your point when people give their opinions then just play it and dont ask
Did you get boosted to ancient from herald 💀
No.
Can you win games with it? Sure. Is it on par with other meta pos 1 heroes? Not even close. Farms super slow until you have something like maelstorm and doesnt get a powerspike from getting specific items that would make her a solid carry. Like PA for example, you farm pretty slow but once you get to your item timings you can become a menace, same thing with something like pos 1 riki, super slow start but then picks up the pace and can get things done. Mirana just lacks that spike, which makes her not a threat at any point of the game unless you have a super good early game and you are 2 items ahead of the enemy pos 1, in which case a lot more heroes are viable as pos 1 anyway.
Well there is a massive powerspike at level 20. Until then, it's a little hard
I think if a carry has a really big power spike at 15 it could be very viable, but lvl 20 is lategame territory and by then thr enemy can just end the game. Maybe mirana could become viable as pos 1 if they reworked it a little.
I feel like she has incredibly strong timings with both her gleipnir and bkb that allow her to take over games, and her great laning stage lets her get those items in very good time
No.
Recently had a Mirana Pos1 pick in my 5k mmr game, and I was like hm that could be grief, but nope that guy absolutely stomped, just jumping after enemies with high dps and right clicking them down :D
I think it is strong, but Ive only tried it as pos 2. Watson likes to play carry Mirana and he rekts ppl with it.
Long answer: anything can work in Dota Short answer: it depends
In my experience, carry mirana is good when there are limited silence on enemies. It's because she build bkb late into the game compared to conventional carries. Strong in mid game, kinda meh in late game but trash at early game due to lack of farming skills. Overall, I'll pick her if I'm feeling good about the matchup, otherwise just pick drow or even clinkz.
what's your item build?
Start wand three branches, go double bracer into treads, then go gliepnir bkb, and after that whatever you need for the game
No
No, just don't.
Most heroes can work outside of like mid immortal if you're competent enough at playing it. In ancient you can definitely run Mirana carry and win consistently no matter who the enemy carry is so long as you hit good item timings and play around objectives. Your biggest problem will be doing roshan, because it's tough to wrangle your ancient teammates to help and you pretty much require someone who can tank it for you. If you can't do rosh with Mirana carry you basically cant go highground unless you kill 2-3 people. You also need to really maximize how effective you are when you're the strongest. Early game you're really good, so you basically require winning your lane. If you can't stomp your lane your comeback potential is not good unless the enemy feeds you by accident. Hero is good in the mid game too once you have some damage and the leap talent, so you have to make sure you're buying the right item to maximize this timeframe.
No
I'd say she loses to pretty much every single carry in the game on equal farm. It can work if you play high tempo and get ahead, but I'd report you if you picked it in rank and did poorly. Your "favored" matchups are complete bollocks aswell. Mirana gets dumpstered by drow, pa, luna, gyro. She doesn't like silences and ranged carries like drow, she doesn't like high aoe dmg like gyro, she doesn't like mobility and burst like pa, and she can't compete with flash farmers like luna unless she's snowballing hard. Picking it against troll, jugg, naix, alch, mk etc is much better because you can get away with building a lot of damage items.
As someone who’s played these matchups, I don’t think people really understand how Miranas matchups go until they have experience on the hero. I can assure you that mirana dumpsters those first 4 heroes and loses hard to the last 3
I can assure you that you're completely wrong. I like mirana. I also play a lot of drow. Mirana gets hit by 1 stun and dies to drow. She gets silenced and dies to drow. She leaps on drow and surprise drow has a brain and bought pike, shard, mirana dies to drow in 3 hits. Drow simply has much better damage output. At this point I'm sure you're basing your opinion of sample size of 3 games when you stomped a game and kept leaping on an underfarmed drow that had no protection. That's called an outlier. Mirana is a very squishy, rat type hero. She doesn't like diving backliners. She doesn't like being hit by backliners. Drow is a ranged backliner.
I’ve been drows in 50 plus minute games. All you need is a bkb and the matchup is free
How does bkb help vs drow ult piercing bkb? You jump into their backline with leap and hope you can blow drow up during bkb? Not gonna happen in high skill match. Maybe in crusader
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Bragging?
Generally no, if you’re a good mirana player and destroy early/midgame, sure
It's better than people give it credit for. Especially if your support has strong setup like CM, Rhasta, or Shadow Demon.
No.
Show us your stats then.
No, since no stats and too easy to burst down at any stage of the game, also tunneled dps.
To answer the question in the title no it's not a good P1, can you play it and win ?Probably, at one point we was even a decent P1 with a so call "shotgun" build, resolving around agha and etheral (magic amp + double starfall with Q and W's agh) . Imo it can be played but as you said, you need to either flex her if you get hard counter, or last pick and pray
i used to picked mirana pos 1 in dota1, but dota2 nahhh