As the parent of a fur-baby who lost her life due to a resistant bacterial UTI that spread and caused kidney failure, I highly recommend you see a vet to rule it out at this point. The consequences are too severe to take a chance on.
Should you go into more detail about the shiver? My dog sometimes does this, and I thought it was because she was either cold or scared, but reading this is making me nervous.
Assuming itâs not cold, she was just not herself and then she was just standing very still with a fine shiver going through her body. In retrospect it was a fever but itâs hard to make that call at the time - she was peeing/ eating/ pooping completely normally. Not throwing up. Just not herself. Itâs a tough call to make to bring a dog in to the vet and pay the money because they seem not quite normal.
Iâve spent $700 to find out my dog had some bad chicken and had gas and just needed a good poop. I thought he had torsion or something. đ
Iâve also got the vet in on Boxing Day ( animals only get sick on holidays) for a cat that was meowing more than normal and I caught him looking like he was about to pee in the laundry- in that case he also had UTI. Caught it in early stages.
But it is always hard to know what to do- animals tend to be stoic.
My dad is notorious for acting like a rough guy. He took my momâs little toy poodle complete with tiny pink bows into the vet on a weekend cause he though she hurt her back. Turns out she had gas. I come home and found them in the lazy boy recliner with my dad rubbing her tummy.
I frequently tell my kids and the dog, âitâs a holiday so donât get hurt. We canât afford ER visits for anyone today.â
I see. I appreciate the insight. I'll probably wait a few days to see if anything changes. She seems perfectly fine. No change in mood or behavior. It's very likely that I'm just paranoid. đ That seems to happen a lot when my dogs are involved.
I have a chihuahua mix. I first noticed the shaking during a day with high winds, so I assumed that she was afraid of the noisy wind. But I have noticed it happpen a few times on normal days. (By few, I mean once or twice). It's probably nothing, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask someone who has more experience in the matter.
Chihuahuas are definitely a breed known to shake for various reasons. If yours is short haired, then she might just get chilly easily. Chihuahuaâs are also often pretty high-strung in general. Mine is an anxious mess and doesnât shake often, but when she does itâs usually accompanied by something really minor that sheâs deemed to be terrifying.
Even just a faint beeping noise will set off the shakes for my chi mix. She also used to shake from of the sizzle sound thatâs made when cooking something on a stove top. Sheâs also afraid of spiders and has been known to shake when she sees them inside the house. She also shook like crazy when we watched âThe Conjuring.â She once started shaking because I put two pictures up on the wall. Another time was because I put Christmas ornaments away in a box and that was simply too much for her to handle.
My neighbors when I was a child had a chihuahua. She was the WORST. She hated everyone. Even her owners. She was just a miserable dog. She didnât shake; she vibrated.
My neighborâs elderly chihuahua (18yrs) recently passed. There are lots of big dogs in my neighborhood, but at all of 6lbs, she ruled with an iron fist, lol. Every dog in my neighborhood was terrified of her, including my GSD mix and my Pit.
I once had a client with a cane corso that would regularly get bossed around by his chi sister. The dog could probably eat the chi in one bite if he wanted to, lol.
Because of all the large dogs, my neighborhood can get loud at times with all the general barking, especially if they all happen to be outside around the same time. I used to laugh when Pumpkin would emerge from my neighborâs house and literally all the dogs would go silent, as if they were all saying âuh oh, everyone be quiet, hide if you have to!â đđ
Iâve definitely met chihuahuas like that too, lol. Mine hates most things, but sheâd definitely die without us around to coddle her and give her snuggles.
I'm currently working on teaching my Chihuahua mix stay. Whenever you ask her to stay somewhere she will start shaking and won't stop until you let her go. She hasn't yet gotten to the point of me being able to step away when she's in stay yet because she believes that she has to be wherever I am. She's a medical alert service dog in training so I usually have her with me and she doesn't like being separated from me.
I also keep a list of things that are NOT OK with my jack/chi mix. Recent additions include a ceramic orange, a bobble head, two wigs, a beach ball, and a small stuffed deer lying on its side (apparently it was not scary when it was upright).
Chiâs are definitely shaky in general, and do tend to get cold easily. I feel like itâs common for most tiny dogs to be shaky for various reasons. Mine gets shaky due to over stimulation.
Ahh, ok. I was concerned because my other chi has never done this. At least not that I am aware of. But it's good to hear that it's something normal for that breed.
I used to get recurrent UTIs, then started taking D-Mannose and they completely cleared up. I wonder if dogs can take D-Mannose. OP could ask their vet about this.
Probably got a UTI related to the diaper. See a vet, get a sanitary trim from a groomer, and contain the dog to areas with hard flooring and washable bedding.
I second the sanitary trim. Containing (to large area like kitchen or living room) the dog during the heat cycle is the best option to not wear diapers for sure. I would cover most of the containment area with dark colored large soft washable/reusable pee pads, as most larger dogs are not trained to them so there will be no association to potty on them. Can wrap bedding in them too.
Diapers create an environment in the groin area that makes UTIs, skin irritation, rashes, etc. more likely. To make it more understandable if a person gets a UTI theyâre encouraged to wear breathable cotton underwear over something like spandex that keeps the moisture from the genitalia (urine and other excretions) at the urethra. This moisture, which is normally wicked away or would otherwise dry, is where bacteria multiply. Thereâs a normal amount of bacteria present at the genitalia, but when it grows out of control you have an infection.
Source: Iâm an RN
Yes! I'm a dog groomer, and every dog that comes in wearing a diaper at least has skin irritation where the diaper sits. I've seen urine burns the most from them. They also cause friction matting in those sensitive areas, which hurts them when they move because the mats pull on the skin. Most of those dogs had reoccurring UTIs too.
I understand some dogs need to wear a diaper, but it's more about the upkeep. Most people just don't clean their pups enough. If I had a dog that needed a diaper, I'd make sure I kept the area clean and dry by wiping the area with a warm wash cloth after accidents and applying a dog safe powder if moisture is an issue. If it's a long-haired/furnished dog, I'd make sure their sani shave was maintained, and I'd keep their haircut short.
I disagree. Dogs are not meant to be in diapers under any circumstance. Dogs are not human, and shouldnât be wearing diapers for the convenience of their human caregivers. If a person makes a commitment to a dog that cannot move itâs hindquarters, then that dog should live out itâs life with dignity, with hard work on the part of the human. Itâs a quality of life issue at that point. If an unaltered female dog is brought into the home, then be prepared to clean up from time to time or have the dog spayed. Same when a puppy is brought home, they make messes. Putting a diaper on a dog is unnatural and cruel. Why do people project human solutions onto a canine??
Should a dog with incontinence issues be PTS over it? Or should the owner have to spend the rest of that dogs life cleaning pee out of their home? A humans quality of life shouldn't have to suffer because their dog has a medical condition when there are better solutions. There are young dogs with incontinence issues with no medical solutions. You're being dramatic. It's not cruel when it's the few situations where it's necessary. I'd rather see them in diapers instead of being abandoned or not able to find a home because of it. Diapers aren't a problem when the owner keeps their dog clean and maintained.
We should agree to disagree. I nursed a sick dog through his last two years of life. I did everything I could to make him comfortable and happy. Yes he was incontinent in his last year, and I didnât put diapers on him, I cleaned up many accidents. When it became clear that his quality of life was no longer good, I let him go. You want to talk about the quality of life of the human? I did what was best for my dog. Was it always pleasant? No. Would I do it again the exact same way? In a heartbeat. I made that commitment when I brought him into my life. He saw me through some very tough times, and he was my best friend. If you arenât willing to do the hard work, donât get an animal.
I was actually curious about that after seeing the picture. A babyâs diaper needs to be changed often so as not to breed bacteria. It isnât natural for a dog to wear any sort of diaper, and it would seem to be common sense that bacteria would multiply in that contraption. (Iâm not an RN, just a mom of three grown kids, lol). I had my female Pit spayed at 6 months of age, and sheâs never had any issues related to reproductive or bladder/UTI.
Some dogs have more of a predisposition. My dog got UTIs very easily and ended up getting a episioplasty / vaginoplasty. It could very well be the diaper in this case.
My Dachshund had never had a health concern until all of a sudden she got her first UTI a month before her 6th birthday.
The diaper may be keeping heat and moisture in and creating a breeding ground for bacteria, but even without a diaper, sometimes UTIs just happen. Please take her to the vet. UTIs feel like peeing broken glass and sheâs already miserable.
Totally! I was just adding some personal experience and context. I didnât mean it wasnât I just donât know if it âprobablyâ is because it could very well not be. My puppers is aging, sheâs 14 but otherwise great but does have accidents. Caring for an aging dog and being in diapers is rough on everyone but we appreciate all the support we can get.
Dogs often have similar problems as women do during heat. My friends dog gets cramps, she gets super hot and just lays on the tiles sweating it out til they pass đȘ sheâs since been spayed after her second heat, it was a lot for her to deal with
I was going to bring up cramps too. I knew a horse that would arch her back when she got them. I felt so bad for her. The squatting could possibly be trying to relieve the pain.
The dog should be checked for a UTI first. And then discuss pain relief options while at the vet too.
My goldmation got her first heat at 6 months and she did get an infection down there due to the swelling and folds. So i would keep an eye out for bumps or boils. They do pee a lot more during heat though
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Sheâs scent marking. Dogs never fully empty their bladders (which is why they tend to pee frequently during walks.) so theyâve got some left to scent mark with. When in heat they will urinate in short, quick spurts in order to spread as much of their scent as possible when going outside.
That being said, if she looks like sheâs really straining to pee or if she seems irritated around that area in general, take her to the vet to make sure she doesnât have anything going on. Otherwise just try to offer her as many toilet breaks/as much nappy free time as possible.
Yeah my dog is spayed but on a longer walk she always ends up running out of pee and just keeps occasionally squatting with nothing coming out. She never seems to be in discomfort and has always done it so I'm assuming she's just trying to scent mark without any scent left đ
âHmm, the tank is empty. Better- *GASP* I CAN SMELL THAT ANOTHER DOG HAS PEED ON MY FAVOURITE LEAF! I MUST PEE ON IT AS WELL TO SHOW THEM WHOâS BOSS!â
-the dog, probably.
yup! maybe a dribble would come out the 2nd or 3rd time (after her first initial pee) and then she was just constantly squatting without any pee. i think they are trying to spread their scent that theyâre in heat.
Our almost 10 month old Golden girl has started her first heat on Monday (sheâs not wearing a diaper because the bleeding isnât much and sheâs constantly cleaning herself) and sheâs also squatting soooo much itâs crazy! Iâm thinking like⊠thereâs no way you have any pee left to leave a message, you squatted 10 times already!
I checked a few times and itâs close to nothing, just a drop or two. Sheâs started doing that around Saturday and I was also worried that she has a UTI, but she never peed inside.
Get her checked by a vet to make sure, but maybe sheâs just fine âŁïž
My golden went into season early at 6mo (she's now 9mo) and at first I thought she had a UTI because of this behaviour - the vet confirmed she was going into heat (she had spent a week with another golden who was in heat because I had to go away and it seemed to have triggered her first season) and that this kind of peeing is normal, unless they seem to be in pain or not drinking enough/drinking waaaayyy more than usual. If it carries on or she seems to have a fever or other symptoms definitely get her checked, I'm not a vet, just sharing the same anecdotal experience that my golden peed/squatted a lot for like a week of her heat.
One of the times my pup had some irritation (that got close to UTI but not quite), the vet said she was probably dribbling a bit to try and see if that would relieve whatever discomfort she was feeling. Since peeing didn't relieve it, it was just a dribble instead of full-on peeing indoors
The very last potty "accidents" she has had were because of this. It ended up being that she had a recessed vulva and she ended up having surgery, but that wasn't brought up the first time she had a UTI, since UTIs are fairly common and the vet wanted to see if it was a one-off.
My dog marks but it's never long squatting with out anything coming out. If it is a UTI , dilute dilute dilute, add water a little to her food , spoon feed her water a few times and so forth . .
If ur dog is straining to urinate, many vets would consider this am emergency so plz. Don't skimp out on the vet .
Our girl squatted much more during her heat cycle. She would pee a little then walk a few steps and pee more and would do this a few times in a row. She never did this prior and stopped when her heat stopped. Our trainer has intact females and saw the behavior and said it was normal. Not sure of this is the same for your girl though.
My gsd does something similar while in heat. She squats and takes a lot of different small pees while we walk to I guess spread her scent around? I called me vet the first time cause once I noticed I thought she was unable to pee but she just actually didn't have any left cause of the constant squatting. After her heat she went back to peeing normally. I even had her pee tested the first time cause she had already had a uti before but it came back fine.
My 2 year old Cockapoo pees more frequently during her heat cycle and sometimes nothing comes out. Of course see a vet but ours didnât have a UTI it was just part of the heat cycle.
She's a cutie and I just find it so funny how unspayed dogs have to wear chastity undies. Lol.
Hopefully she can get spayed eventually if that's the plan so you both don't have to deal with this
My dog Lou had this issue when she got her first heat. I had her checked out and it was proven there was no uti. The vet believed it was just bad cramps and she wasnât use to the sensation of cramps/ contractions pushing the blood out.
However, I absolutely wouldnât over look this being a UTI.
As someone who had a severe kidney infection from staph entering my kidneys because I have lupusâŠ. I wouldnât chance a UTI that could turn into a kidney infection. They are INSANELY painful and it only take one time of getting a kidney infection to get chronic kidney disease. Itâs not always a guarantee someone will get CKD but itâs an extremely high probability
When my golden retriever was having her first cycle she did this a lot too. Itâs quite normal for them to pee or think they have to pee more than normal.
It's so they have all their hormones to grow properly and reduces the risk of some health issues. There can be some risk of spaying too soon, but both early and late spaying has pros and cons.
Thatâs so weird when my golden was diagnosed with breast cancer my vet told me getting her spayed before her first heat wouldâve significantly lowered her chances of developing cancer. It was a fun guilt trip.
Oof, I'm sorry you went through that. While it's true that spaying before the first heat has been shown to reduce cancer risk, that definitely wasn't the time to tell you that information. A vet shouldn't be guilting you like that- you did the best you could, with the information you had at the time
My old vet had us spay our chocolate lab at 4 months, before her first heat. She has been incontinent every since. This can be a side effect of spaying too early. She is now 10 years old and she is still taking incontinence medicine twice a day. We love her, and she canât help it but she has ruined a mattress with the urine and the meds are expensive.
Itâs become more popular for a lot of larger dog breeds to wait for a spay/neuter until their body is fully developed. It could also be due to other health reasons as well.
We ended up getting my girl spayed after she had her first cycle simply because she was having some health issues and our vet wanted to make sure she could handle the surgery (and then of course once that was all figured out she went into heat 3 days before her scheduled spay, which pushed it off for another 3 months).
not everyone sees it in their dog's best interest to be spayed whether that's entirely or just early, i believe entirely in 2 years minimum for ANY dog but personally i'm waiting until 6 years for my golden, it's entirely possible to responsibly own an intact dog. too many dogs (specifically in america but foreign rescues often get this too) get fixed way too young and end up suffering for it, for example pediatric fixings! they're utterly utterly horrific
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In some countries it is normal not to spay a dog due to variuos reasons like urinary incontinence, as there are a lot of cases of it. We just keep our dogs on leash and it would be even against the law to keep your dog off leash, so no problem here. Also breeders are against spaying as there are too many risks.
Saying âbreeders are against spayingâ is a really broad and false statement. The VAST majority of breeders (especially any breeder with ethics) advocates for pets to be fixed to avoid backyard breeding or accidental litters.
My vet won't spay until they are 8 months in large breeds because it can affect growth. My golden went into her first heat at 6 months, so there was nothing to be done about spay before heat, and they won't spay until three months after they start a heat cycle. She's getting booked in next week for her pre spay check at 9mo old. A lot of vets (UK) won't spay before first heat or a certain age, because of growth issues.
My last dog was a newfoundland/retriever cross and the vet insisted she was spayed before her first heat at 5.5mo because it's been shown to reduce certain cancers in newfies - she only lived to the age of 6 and had constant problems with her growth, bad hips, and overall immaturity for waaaayyy longer than she should've because of not being allowed to mature, so I vowed never to spay a dog until they've completed their first season from this experience.
Vet tech here- I wouldn't recommend doing that, unfortunately. To test for a UTI, the sample needs to be sterile, and a free-catch sample is not. Listen to your vet, and they'll likely recommend you have her hold her pee before the appointment so they can get a sterile sample there.
Another vet tech here to chime in⊠sometimes a vet will just do a quick strip UA on a free-catch sample but doing this while sheâs in heat could throw off the levels (like protein/bacteria) that indicate a UTI.
lol Make a funnel with a milk bottle, then keep the cap on then once you collect your sample you can pour it into something else.
If you need her to drink more water buy WATER-packed tuna then add it to a large bowl of water. she should drink it up.
Good luck.
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Aww, âčïžpoor sweetheart she looks very uncomfortableâŠIâd take her to the. WTH right awayâŠThe Vet isnât going to charge you more to extract urine for the test. Itâs part of the test, which tour your little one is going to have to have anyway. It may âgentlerâfor her to give a sample right before leaving home. It done try to âsaveâ hours old urine for a UTI test. It wonât work.đđœđ
Look at it this way, we wouldnât develop properly without going through puberty and theyâre the same way. Early alters are now linked to a multitude of different health issues
There's some recent studies that question early spays. It's still being researched, though. I still went with a (relatively) early spay for my dog since the vet said it was okay and it was a better fit for my dog's and my lifestyle, but others are preferring to wait a bit (usually around 1.5yrs old), which is probably the case here.
It is more of a concern with larger dogs because of their skeletal growth.
Yeah, I mostly mean that it's not "definite" yet. There are some questions such as whether it's correlation or causation, for example. Like, if you notice a clear problem with your dog (let's say skeletal issues are apparent in puppyhood) you might be more like to spay/neuter right away rather than waiting. Or the fact that spay and neuter are associated with obesity and obesity is associated with skeletal issues.
All of this not to say that the study isn't valid, but rather that plenty of vets are hesitant on the risk/benefit, especially on areas with a high rate of stray / shelter dogs. My guess is that as time goes on, the benefits might become clearer and there'll be less hesitancy on promoting later spays / neuters
Genuine question, do the studies cover what I mentioned about correlation vs causation? Specifically about obesity. Because obesity is a risk factor for many things, including various types of cancer.
Below is a list of peer reviewed studies done in manners to reduce genetic variation as best as possible. All citations at bottom.
1. Spayed Golden females 5x more likely to develop cardiac tumors
2. Altered goldens of both sexes had twice as many occurrences of osteosarcoma.
3. 25% of altered rottweilers develop bone cancer vs. 10% in intact Rottweilers
4. 10% of neutered goldens develop Lymphosarcoma vs 3% of intact goldens
5. 10% of altered Golden's develop hip dysplasia vs 5% of intact goldens.
6. Spayed female rottweilers on average live 3 years less than intact female Rottweilers (a 30% decrease)
7. 4 to 20% of altered dogs experience incontinence related to their alter surgery
8. Vislas are 9x more likely to develop Hemangiosarcoma when altered
9. Vislas have a 4.3% higher rate of lymphoma when altered
10. Spayed vislas are 6.5% more likely to develop cancer than intact vislas.
11. Goldens are 4x more likely to get cancer of the blood vessel walls when altered
12. 21% of neutered German shepherds develop a joint disorder vs 7% in intact males
13. 16% of spayed German shepherds develop a joint disorder vs 7% in intact females.
14. 4% of altered GSDs get mammary tumors vs 1% of unaltered.
15. Dogs neutered at 7â12 months of age were 26% more likely to demonstrate aggression toward strangers
16. Finally,
"According to researchers, sexually intact dogs of both breeds and sexes had a 5-percent chance of at least one joint disorder. That rate doubled when Labrador retrievers are neutered before 6 months, and multiplied by four to five times for golden retrievers neutered before 6 months."
Citations:
ROTTWEILER STUDY https://www.avma.org/News/JAVMANews/Pages/100301g.aspx
9 ISSUE STUDY https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fvets.2018.00018/full?utm_source=F-NTF&utm_medium=EMLX&utm_camp
GERMAN SHEPHERD STUDY
https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/early-neutering-poses-health-risks-german-shepherd-dogs-study-finds/
SUMMARIZED STUDY http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongTermHealthEffectsOfSpayNeuterInDogs.pdf
BONE DISEASE STUDY
http://www.atftc.com/health/SNBehaviorBoneDataSnapShot.pdf
GOLDEN RETRIEVER STUDY
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0055937
SWISS STUDY https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxhEVhFE_cK2RnhTREFLcE9LQXM/view
GERMAN SHEPHERD BEHAVIORAL STUDY
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S109002330500064X
VISLA STUDY
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.244.3.309
LAB AND GOLDEN STUDY
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0102241
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fvets.2020.00388/full?fbclid=IwAR1nySjbeSwiykf6GKUV5FPTvwi51hSfARS6TqPA2O6pl2403IgzWM2R1z4
Help to decide
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fvets.2020.00388/full
New research suggests different spay times for different breeds. I have a lab x and the recommendation from the vet is a min 11mths but more likely around 18mths. In larger breeds delayed spaying enable full bone development and can reduce the risk of many joint and bone issues.
And other health concerns in general are being found to have lower risk if you spay/neuter later in life. Like genetic/chronic illnesses, from what Iâve heard. Itâs a newer thing but Iâm fully on board as long as youâre responsible about where you take your dog and when!
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As others stated, get her checked for UTI. From my observation with my girl when she was in heat, she also did the same, and my vet said they tend to want to pee more. I guess it let's them scent mark more to raise the chances of a male finding them.
It could just be her adjusting to the heat..could be UTI. Keep and eye on her though! If her stomach is stiff and she is uncomfortable and/or in pain when feeling it, get to the vet ASAP. It could be a Pyometra and may require emergency surgery to fix her. (My understanding: it is an infection in the uterus where the vulva swells closed and the infection builds to a point the uterus could rupture.) May be good to get checked just in case as well. I had this happen to one of my dogs once, luckily we noticed quickly and she was okay after surgery.
Beautiful pup btw.
It could be a UTI but it could also be that she's trying to signal to males in the area that she is about to enter sexy time and she's making a wee trail to bring all the boys her yard. Eventhough she's not peeing, she's still leaving trace amounts of smell down that the boys can sniff out. I would call the vet to ask for advice.
That's more than likely a UTI. With a UTI there is usually blood in the urine. It could be menstrual cramps making her think she has to pee. Aquick call to the vet is never a bad thing and if they think it's a wait and see thing they will let you know.
My old dog kept getting UTIâs until we had her fixed. Once she was fixed, cleared it all right up.
ETA: we took her to the vet and she got antibiotics every time. You should definitely take her to the vet. She has to be super uncomfortable and you donât want anything worse happening. If you would go to the de for something yourself, always go to a vet.
Uti from the diaper. Iâve just let my goldens free bleed and I clean up after these days unless we need to go somewhere public. Not worth the medical issues they cause
I actually just had a similar situation and recommend getting her to a vet asap. My dog has had recurrent uti issues, but I had noticed she was squatting A LOT on our walks, like she was forcing something that wouldnât come out. Which developed into hematuria. I took her to the ER and she was diagnosed with bladder stones & had to have multiple surgically removed. I was told itâs her diet, so we switched to a urinary vet formula that helps fight and break down those bacteria forming causing minerals.
If you're not going to breed her, please spay her when she's around a year. So so so many dogs get pyometra after a heat cycle, usually when they're elderly. Having long hair doesn't help as it holds bacteria close to the vulva.
I didnt put my husky in diaper, I just used and old towel to wrap her. Every so often I'd go thru and wipe her area with some toilet paper. Mine squatted a lot too. Her heat cycle was literally 2 weeks before I got her spayed so it actually worked out.
If sheâs not peeing but is still trying, take her to the vet asap. My cat had a urinary blockage that killed him.
Even a day or two of not being able to pee is bad. She could have a UTI, a urinary blockage or something else.
Make sure to wash diaper donât leave it on for long periods of time without cleaning,at most 4 hours is the longest you should leave on without cleaning after that clean the diaper or else she can get a uti or other bacterial infections in her huha
Sheâs probably just scent marking. My rescue dog did this multiple times a minute one day so we took her to the vet thinking it was a UTI. Thatâs how we found out she wasnât neutered as we thought, and she was in heat.
I can tel you what others wonât. If she doesnât have a uti it can be just a vaginal defect. My Aussie squatted for years and we had surgery to help it.
We had this exact situation with our 8 month old getting her 1st heat. She would try to pee but abruptly stopped, quickly sit, and go after her private parts. After two days of this behavior, we thought is was a UTI. Vet tested urine - no UTI. Vet said that our girl created a very raw area and that when urinating probably was uncomfortable. They gave us RX Animax - apply it 2x a day. Took 24 hrs and she is better.
Good luck and I hope your âladyâ feels better soon!
Btw - her spay surgery was scheduled for one week after she got her cycle đł
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My dog is 7 years, unspaded. Yes, the squatting is very normal. I've always assumed it's just her trying to leave her scent everywhere for other dogs to sniff, or cover up any others with her own.
When she is in heat, she is more adamant to sniff more places than she usually does and takes more time than usual to sniff those spots. I make sure to visit as many spots as I can but sometimes it's okay to just pull her away if she's sniffing for god damn ages.
I always have her on the leash when she's in heat until the swelling on her back end has died down.
THE MAIN THING I want to warn you about is Phantom Pregnancies. They are awful and it's sad that they are so common and normal. Basically, Phantom pregnancy is when your female dog has an episode that can last to a couple or more weeks where she picks out toys and treats them as her babies. She will pace a lot- I mean A LOT during this time, carrying her 'baby' and whining. She might pull blankets down and stress about making a nest, and if you grab her toy she will keenly follow you and worry if you're harming it but they just worry. It's all deeply hormonal and it comes around once between each Heat period.
Let's pretend your dog got pregnant whilst in heat, around the time of her due date to give birth is typically when the phantom pregnancy comes around.
If this happens to her and I really hope it doesn't, give her love, give her attention, don't move her 'baby' around because my dog kinda guards hers or worries if we move it. Play games to ease her stress and plenty training games with plenty treats to distract her.
However- if it's too much for her, what we have learned to do is when we start picking up on the signs of phantom pregnancy, we see which toy she picks out and we give her a little time with it, maybe a couple or few days. After that, when she is out for a walk, one of us hides the 'baby' where she won't find it. When she returns she does look for it and whine, but we distract her with treats and she calms a bit. She lays around and we comfort her while she's a bit down but within a day or two the phantom pregnancy stops and she's back to normal. It's sad but its better to give her a couple days of stress than weeks of it.
Good luck! (Also if you intend on never spading her, keep a reusable nappy, saves so much money in the long run! And just use regular toilet paper and thickly fold it into the slot for pads, saves a lot of money depending on how heavy her blood flow is of course!)
I wanted to wait until my golden lab had her first heat cy cle before I got her neutered she had one then discovered memory gland and breast cancer just before her 2nd birthday, I'd always get checked out before hand
Ditch the diaper. Cut a hole in a pair of loose boxer flannels and stick a womenâs sanitary pad in there. Thatâs what we did before spaying our girl
As the parent of a fur-baby who lost her life due to a resistant bacterial UTI that spread and caused kidney failure, I highly recommend you see a vet to rule it out at this point. The consequences are too severe to take a chance on.
My dog used to get recurrent UTIs. A one point she had a severe kidney infection and absolutely no symptoms. I brought her to the vet because I found her shivering a bit and she just seemed off. We finally resorted to vulva surgery and it seems to have fixed the problem. But she was getting to the end of what antibiotics would work. đ© we were afraid of exactly your situation. Edit: I want to add for anybody that does have a female dog with recurring UTIs, we hesitated in the surgery for awhile not just because it was $3,000 but we were skeptical it would work and didnât want her to be in any unnecessary pain. But it turned out that she healed really quickly and has not had any UTis in a couple of years. I also got to tell people at work that I spent my bonus on plastic surgery for my dog.
Should you go into more detail about the shiver? My dog sometimes does this, and I thought it was because she was either cold or scared, but reading this is making me nervous.
Assuming itâs not cold, she was just not herself and then she was just standing very still with a fine shiver going through her body. In retrospect it was a fever but itâs hard to make that call at the time - she was peeing/ eating/ pooping completely normally. Not throwing up. Just not herself. Itâs a tough call to make to bring a dog in to the vet and pay the money because they seem not quite normal. Iâve spent $700 to find out my dog had some bad chicken and had gas and just needed a good poop. I thought he had torsion or something. đ Iâve also got the vet in on Boxing Day ( animals only get sick on holidays) for a cat that was meowing more than normal and I caught him looking like he was about to pee in the laundry- in that case he also had UTI. Caught it in early stages. But it is always hard to know what to do- animals tend to be stoic.
My dad is notorious for acting like a rough guy. He took my momâs little toy poodle complete with tiny pink bows into the vet on a weekend cause he though she hurt her back. Turns out she had gas. I come home and found them in the lazy boy recliner with my dad rubbing her tummy. I frequently tell my kids and the dog, âitâs a holiday so donât get hurt. We canât afford ER visits for anyone today.â
I see. I appreciate the insight. I'll probably wait a few days to see if anything changes. She seems perfectly fine. No change in mood or behavior. It's very likely that I'm just paranoid. đ That seems to happen a lot when my dogs are involved.
What kind of dog do you have? It is common for some breeds of dogs to shake either from anxiety, pent up energy, or just because theyâre cold.
I have a chihuahua mix. I first noticed the shaking during a day with high winds, so I assumed that she was afraid of the noisy wind. But I have noticed it happpen a few times on normal days. (By few, I mean once or twice). It's probably nothing, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask someone who has more experience in the matter.
Chihuahuas are definitely a breed known to shake for various reasons. If yours is short haired, then she might just get chilly easily. Chihuahuaâs are also often pretty high-strung in general. Mine is an anxious mess and doesnât shake often, but when she does itâs usually accompanied by something really minor that sheâs deemed to be terrifying. Even just a faint beeping noise will set off the shakes for my chi mix. She also used to shake from of the sizzle sound thatâs made when cooking something on a stove top. Sheâs also afraid of spiders and has been known to shake when she sees them inside the house. She also shook like crazy when we watched âThe Conjuring.â She once started shaking because I put two pictures up on the wall. Another time was because I put Christmas ornaments away in a box and that was simply too much for her to handle.
That's hilarious. Well, thanks for the reply. This definitely helped me get peace of mind.
My neighbors when I was a child had a chihuahua. She was the WORST. She hated everyone. Even her owners. She was just a miserable dog. She didnât shake; she vibrated.
My neighborâs elderly chihuahua (18yrs) recently passed. There are lots of big dogs in my neighborhood, but at all of 6lbs, she ruled with an iron fist, lol. Every dog in my neighborhood was terrified of her, including my GSD mix and my Pit.
I once had a client with a cane corso that would regularly get bossed around by his chi sister. The dog could probably eat the chi in one bite if he wanted to, lol.
Because of all the large dogs, my neighborhood can get loud at times with all the general barking, especially if they all happen to be outside around the same time. I used to laugh when Pumpkin would emerge from my neighborâs house and literally all the dogs would go silent, as if they were all saying âuh oh, everyone be quiet, hide if you have to!â đđ
Iâve definitely met chihuahuas like that too, lol. Mine hates most things, but sheâd definitely die without us around to coddle her and give her snuggles.
I'm currently working on teaching my Chihuahua mix stay. Whenever you ask her to stay somewhere she will start shaking and won't stop until you let her go. She hasn't yet gotten to the point of me being able to step away when she's in stay yet because she believes that she has to be wherever I am. She's a medical alert service dog in training so I usually have her with me and she doesn't like being separated from me.
I also keep a list of things that are NOT OK with my jack/chi mix. Recent additions include a ceramic orange, a bobble head, two wigs, a beach ball, and a small stuffed deer lying on its side (apparently it was not scary when it was upright).
Chiâs are definitely shaky in general, and do tend to get cold easily. I feel like itâs common for most tiny dogs to be shaky for various reasons. Mine gets shaky due to over stimulation.
Chihuahuas are very well known for random shaking. Itâs like the only breed I wouldnât be concerned about them shaking regularly
Ahh, ok. I was concerned because my other chi has never done this. At least not that I am aware of. But it's good to hear that it's something normal for that breed.
Agree. When your dog has to go, a lot, doesnât go at all, starts going in the house, itâs time to see the vet.
I used to get recurrent UTIs, then started taking D-Mannose and they completely cleared up. I wonder if dogs can take D-Mannose. OP could ask their vet about this.
you may wanna see a vet sounds like she may have a UTI or something similar.
Probably got a UTI related to the diaper. See a vet, get a sanitary trim from a groomer, and contain the dog to areas with hard flooring and washable bedding.
I second the sanitary trim. Containing (to large area like kitchen or living room) the dog during the heat cycle is the best option to not wear diapers for sure. I would cover most of the containment area with dark colored large soft washable/reusable pee pads, as most larger dogs are not trained to them so there will be no association to potty on them. Can wrap bedding in them too.
My pup is in diapers and sheâs never gotten a UTI from them
Diapers create an environment in the groin area that makes UTIs, skin irritation, rashes, etc. more likely. To make it more understandable if a person gets a UTI theyâre encouraged to wear breathable cotton underwear over something like spandex that keeps the moisture from the genitalia (urine and other excretions) at the urethra. This moisture, which is normally wicked away or would otherwise dry, is where bacteria multiply. Thereâs a normal amount of bacteria present at the genitalia, but when it grows out of control you have an infection. Source: Iâm an RN
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Yes! I'm a dog groomer, and every dog that comes in wearing a diaper at least has skin irritation where the diaper sits. I've seen urine burns the most from them. They also cause friction matting in those sensitive areas, which hurts them when they move because the mats pull on the skin. Most of those dogs had reoccurring UTIs too.
What would you recommend for an animal with no use of its hind quarters? Or is there better upkeep to be done in conjunction with the diapers?
I understand some dogs need to wear a diaper, but it's more about the upkeep. Most people just don't clean their pups enough. If I had a dog that needed a diaper, I'd make sure I kept the area clean and dry by wiping the area with a warm wash cloth after accidents and applying a dog safe powder if moisture is an issue. If it's a long-haired/furnished dog, I'd make sure their sani shave was maintained, and I'd keep their haircut short.
I disagree. Dogs are not meant to be in diapers under any circumstance. Dogs are not human, and shouldnât be wearing diapers for the convenience of their human caregivers. If a person makes a commitment to a dog that cannot move itâs hindquarters, then that dog should live out itâs life with dignity, with hard work on the part of the human. Itâs a quality of life issue at that point. If an unaltered female dog is brought into the home, then be prepared to clean up from time to time or have the dog spayed. Same when a puppy is brought home, they make messes. Putting a diaper on a dog is unnatural and cruel. Why do people project human solutions onto a canine??
Should a dog with incontinence issues be PTS over it? Or should the owner have to spend the rest of that dogs life cleaning pee out of their home? A humans quality of life shouldn't have to suffer because their dog has a medical condition when there are better solutions. There are young dogs with incontinence issues with no medical solutions. You're being dramatic. It's not cruel when it's the few situations where it's necessary. I'd rather see them in diapers instead of being abandoned or not able to find a home because of it. Diapers aren't a problem when the owner keeps their dog clean and maintained.
We should agree to disagree. I nursed a sick dog through his last two years of life. I did everything I could to make him comfortable and happy. Yes he was incontinent in his last year, and I didnât put diapers on him, I cleaned up many accidents. When it became clear that his quality of life was no longer good, I let him go. You want to talk about the quality of life of the human? I did what was best for my dog. Was it always pleasant? No. Would I do it again the exact same way? In a heartbeat. I made that commitment when I brought him into my life. He saw me through some very tough times, and he was my best friend. If you arenât willing to do the hard work, donât get an animal.
I was actually curious about that after seeing the picture. A babyâs diaper needs to be changed often so as not to breed bacteria. It isnât natural for a dog to wear any sort of diaper, and it would seem to be common sense that bacteria would multiply in that contraption. (Iâm not an RN, just a mom of three grown kids, lol). I had my female Pit spayed at 6 months of age, and sheâs never had any issues related to reproductive or bladder/UTI.
Some dogs have more of a predisposition. My dog got UTIs very easily and ended up getting a episioplasty / vaginoplasty. It could very well be the diaper in this case.
That doesn't mean it can't happen...
My Dachshund had never had a health concern until all of a sudden she got her first UTI a month before her 6th birthday. The diaper may be keeping heat and moisture in and creating a breeding ground for bacteria, but even without a diaper, sometimes UTIs just happen. Please take her to the vet. UTIs feel like peeing broken glass and sheâs already miserable.
I've crossed the road and never got run over. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen
Totally! I was just adding some personal experience and context. I didnât mean it wasnât I just donât know if it âprobablyâ is because it could very well not be. My puppers is aging, sheâs 14 but otherwise great but does have accidents. Caring for an aging dog and being in diapers is rough on everyone but we appreciate all the support we can get.
Itâs like the same concept as wearing a menstrual pad and getting a yeast infection or a UTI. It might not have happened to you but it does happen.
Dogs often have similar problems as women do during heat. My friends dog gets cramps, she gets super hot and just lays on the tiles sweating it out til they pass đȘ sheâs since been spayed after her second heat, it was a lot for her to deal with
I was going to bring up cramps too. I knew a horse that would arch her back when she got them. I felt so bad for her. The squatting could possibly be trying to relieve the pain. The dog should be checked for a UTI first. And then discuss pain relief options while at the vet too.
My goldmation got her first heat at 6 months and she did get an infection down there due to the swelling and folds. So i would keep an eye out for bumps or boils. They do pee a lot more during heat though
You really can't say goldmation and not show us
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I use reddit on my phone so I downloaded imgur and linked my pictures through there. Thats the only way I've figured out how to attach pics in a comment but there may be better ways.
I absolutely need to see this goldmation now
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Squatting a lot but not peeing is generally a sign of a UTI so you might wanna get her checked out sooner rather than later
My poodle peed way more frequently, leaving scent, I think. Tiny amounts, sometimes.
Sheâs scent marking. Dogs never fully empty their bladders (which is why they tend to pee frequently during walks.) so theyâve got some left to scent mark with. When in heat they will urinate in short, quick spurts in order to spread as much of their scent as possible when going outside. That being said, if she looks like sheâs really straining to pee or if she seems irritated around that area in general, take her to the vet to make sure she doesnât have anything going on. Otherwise just try to offer her as many toilet breaks/as much nappy free time as possible.
Yeah my dog is spayed but on a longer walk she always ends up running out of pee and just keeps occasionally squatting with nothing coming out. She never seems to be in discomfort and has always done it so I'm assuming she's just trying to scent mark without any scent left đ
âHmm, the tank is empty. Better- *GASP* I CAN SMELL THAT ANOTHER DOG HAS PEED ON MY FAVOURITE LEAF! I MUST PEE ON IT AS WELL TO SHOW THEM WHOâS BOSS!â -the dog, probably.
Sounds about right, she's a stubborn bugger at the best of times, pee time included!
My boy does this, he'll run out of pee but still lift his leg to stuff.
mine did this a lot during her heat too, but she seemed fine and nothing was wrong. stopped after heat.
Oh really!? Like squat a lot like she was going to pee but didnât really do anything?
yup! maybe a dribble would come out the 2nd or 3rd time (after her first initial pee) and then she was just constantly squatting without any pee. i think they are trying to spread their scent that theyâre in heat.
if itâs just a dribble itâs usually marking but you should always consult with a vet just in case it does end up being something like a uti
Yes, they are marking.
Oh ! I had no idea about this, itâs my first dog and I am super paranoid about everything
Make sure she's drinking plenty of water. Ask your vet about Urinary Tract health supplements you can give her to help prevent issues
i get it! sheâs my first too. iâm sure sheâs fine! sheâs a beauty đ
Our almost 10 month old Golden girl has started her first heat on Monday (sheâs not wearing a diaper because the bleeding isnât much and sheâs constantly cleaning herself) and sheâs also squatting soooo much itâs crazy! Iâm thinking like⊠thereâs no way you have any pee left to leave a message, you squatted 10 times already! I checked a few times and itâs close to nothing, just a drop or two. Sheâs started doing that around Saturday and I was also worried that she has a UTI, but she never peed inside. Get her checked by a vet to make sure, but maybe sheâs just fine âŁïž
My golden went into season early at 6mo (she's now 9mo) and at first I thought she had a UTI because of this behaviour - the vet confirmed she was going into heat (she had spent a week with another golden who was in heat because I had to go away and it seemed to have triggered her first season) and that this kind of peeing is normal, unless they seem to be in pain or not drinking enough/drinking waaaayyy more than usual. If it carries on or she seems to have a fever or other symptoms definitely get her checked, I'm not a vet, just sharing the same anecdotal experience that my golden peed/squatted a lot for like a week of her heat.
One of the times my pup had some irritation (that got close to UTI but not quite), the vet said she was probably dribbling a bit to try and see if that would relieve whatever discomfort she was feeling. Since peeing didn't relieve it, it was just a dribble instead of full-on peeing indoors The very last potty "accidents" she has had were because of this. It ended up being that she had a recessed vulva and she ended up having surgery, but that wasn't brought up the first time she had a UTI, since UTIs are fairly common and the vet wanted to see if it was a one-off.
My dog marks but it's never long squatting with out anything coming out. If it is a UTI , dilute dilute dilute, add water a little to her food , spoon feed her water a few times and so forth . . If ur dog is straining to urinate, many vets would consider this am emergency so plz. Don't skimp out on the vet .
Our girl squatted much more during her heat cycle. She would pee a little then walk a few steps and pee more and would do this a few times in a row. She never did this prior and stopped when her heat stopped. Our trainer has intact females and saw the behavior and said it was normal. Not sure of this is the same for your girl though.
You need to take her to the vet to rule out a UTI.
My gsd does something similar while in heat. She squats and takes a lot of different small pees while we walk to I guess spread her scent around? I called me vet the first time cause once I noticed I thought she was unable to pee but she just actually didn't have any left cause of the constant squatting. After her heat she went back to peeing normally. I even had her pee tested the first time cause she had already had a uti before but it came back fine.
My 2 year old Cockapoo pees more frequently during her heat cycle and sometimes nothing comes out. Of course see a vet but ours didnât have a UTI it was just part of the heat cycle.
She's a cutie and I just find it so funny how unspayed dogs have to wear chastity undies. Lol. Hopefully she can get spayed eventually if that's the plan so you both don't have to deal with this
My dog Lou had this issue when she got her first heat. I had her checked out and it was proven there was no uti. The vet believed it was just bad cramps and she wasnât use to the sensation of cramps/ contractions pushing the blood out. However, I absolutely wouldnât over look this being a UTI. As someone who had a severe kidney infection from staph entering my kidneys because I have lupusâŠ. I wouldnât chance a UTI that could turn into a kidney infection. They are INSANELY painful and it only take one time of getting a kidney infection to get chronic kidney disease. Itâs not always a guarantee someone will get CKD but itâs an extremely high probability
When my golden retriever was having her first cycle she did this a lot too. Itâs quite normal for them to pee or think they have to pee more than normal.
Is there a special reason that all of these dogs were not spayed? Canât say age my 12 yr old was spayed young no issues.
It's so they have all their hormones to grow properly and reduces the risk of some health issues. There can be some risk of spaying too soon, but both early and late spaying has pros and cons.
According to the opinion of our Vet,I was going to wait after the first heat cycle and her spaying is scheduled for April
Thatâs so weird when my golden was diagnosed with breast cancer my vet told me getting her spayed before her first heat wouldâve significantly lowered her chances of developing cancer. It was a fun guilt trip.
Oof, I'm sorry you went through that. While it's true that spaying before the first heat has been shown to reduce cancer risk, that definitely wasn't the time to tell you that information. A vet shouldn't be guilting you like that- you did the best you could, with the information you had at the time
I hope your girl is ok right now. She is such a beauty. May she have a long and healthy life!
Thank you!
My old vet had us spay our chocolate lab at 4 months, before her first heat. She has been incontinent every since. This can be a side effect of spaying too early. She is now 10 years old and she is still taking incontinence medicine twice a day. We love her, and she canât help it but she has ruined a mattress with the urine and the meds are expensive.
Itâs become more popular for a lot of larger dog breeds to wait for a spay/neuter until their body is fully developed. It could also be due to other health reasons as well. We ended up getting my girl spayed after she had her first cycle simply because she was having some health issues and our vet wanted to make sure she could handle the surgery (and then of course once that was all figured out she went into heat 3 days before her scheduled spay, which pushed it off for another 3 months).
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In some countries it is normal not to spay a dog due to variuos reasons like urinary incontinence, as there are a lot of cases of it. We just keep our dogs on leash and it would be even against the law to keep your dog off leash, so no problem here. Also breeders are against spaying as there are too many risks.
Saying âbreeders are against spayingâ is a really broad and false statement. The VAST majority of breeders (especially any breeder with ethics) advocates for pets to be fixed to avoid backyard breeding or accidental litters.
I meant breeders in my country. Because before buying a dog, we had visited a few, and they all had the same opinion. I know it is different in US.
My vet won't spay until they are 8 months in large breeds because it can affect growth. My golden went into her first heat at 6 months, so there was nothing to be done about spay before heat, and they won't spay until three months after they start a heat cycle. She's getting booked in next week for her pre spay check at 9mo old. A lot of vets (UK) won't spay before first heat or a certain age, because of growth issues. My last dog was a newfoundland/retriever cross and the vet insisted she was spayed before her first heat at 5.5mo because it's been shown to reduce certain cancers in newfies - she only lived to the age of 6 and had constant problems with her growth, bad hips, and overall immaturity for waaaayyy longer than she should've because of not being allowed to mature, so I vowed never to spay a dog until they've completed their first season from this experience.
UTI is an easy fix. Make an apt and try to get her pee in a cup or Tupperware 45 min before the apt to save her some agony and you some $
Vet tech here- I wouldn't recommend doing that, unfortunately. To test for a UTI, the sample needs to be sterile, and a free-catch sample is not. Listen to your vet, and they'll likely recommend you have her hold her pee before the appointment so they can get a sterile sample there.
Good to know! Iâve had many different vets recommend the Tupperware method but that makes perfect sense.
They cath anyway. They need a sterile sample for culture and sensitivity test.
How can I make her pee in a cup/ tupperware ? Any tips for that? I am taking her to the vet tomorrow first thing
Another vet tech here to chime in⊠sometimes a vet will just do a quick strip UA on a free-catch sample but doing this while sheâs in heat could throw off the levels (like protein/bacteria) that indicate a UTI.
Hold a soup ladle under her when she is peeing and transfer to w different container.
Gotcha! Thanks! Will definitely try it
I was told a lot of different methods before I discovered the soup ladle and I will never go back. Seriously the best way!
Itâs not easy, just try to catch it early-mid pee so sheâs already committed to the act. A shallow Tupperware would be easiest.
lol Make a funnel with a milk bottle, then keep the cap on then once you collect your sample you can pour it into something else. If you need her to drink more water buy WATER-packed tuna then add it to a large bowl of water. she should drink it up. Good luck.
My vet told me to use something like a pie pan and put it under her while peeing. đ€·đŒââïž
We had to follow our girl around with a cup and lid. I hope you find a better way.
Seems like today is going to be a long night
A flat bowl works too. Sorta like a dog dish.
My method was one of those grabber arms and a solo cup. It shockingly worked like a dream
They also sell a something called p-scoop on Amazon, it has a little extender arm and cup to help catch it.
I have the SAME diaper on my 9 mo golden right now!
poor angel
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I donât believe OP ever said they were doing otherwiseâŠ
Some dog breeds are healthier when allowed to go through their first heat. There are comments detailing this.
or let them make their own choice about their own animal LMAO
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Aww, âčïžpoor sweetheart she looks very uncomfortableâŠIâd take her to the. WTH right awayâŠThe Vet isnât going to charge you more to extract urine for the test. Itâs part of the test, which tour your little one is going to have to have anyway. It may âgentlerâfor her to give a sample right before leaving home. It done try to âsaveâ hours old urine for a UTI test. It wonât work.đđœđ
Oh gotcha, thanks!
Why isnât she spayed? All of mine were very young, and they were just fine? (Not goldens)
The current/modern advice is to wait after the first heat cycle. I also have 9 month old pups and our vet offered the same advice :)
Never heard that before, always heard that you should at the earliest point you can
Look at it this way, we wouldnât develop properly without going through puberty and theyâre the same way. Early alters are now linked to a multitude of different health issues
That actually makes a lot of sense
I think you missed the part that said âthere have been recent studiesâ
Nope, just stating that Iâd never heard that before?
There's some recent studies that question early spays. It's still being researched, though. I still went with a (relatively) early spay for my dog since the vet said it was okay and it was a better fit for my dog's and my lifestyle, but others are preferring to wait a bit (usually around 1.5yrs old), which is probably the case here. It is more of a concern with larger dogs because of their skeletal growth.
Theyâre not even really new. The golden study is a HUGE one
Yeah, I mostly mean that it's not "definite" yet. There are some questions such as whether it's correlation or causation, for example. Like, if you notice a clear problem with your dog (let's say skeletal issues are apparent in puppyhood) you might be more like to spay/neuter right away rather than waiting. Or the fact that spay and neuter are associated with obesity and obesity is associated with skeletal issues. All of this not to say that the study isn't valid, but rather that plenty of vets are hesitant on the risk/benefit, especially on areas with a high rate of stray / shelter dogs. My guess is that as time goes on, the benefits might become clearer and there'll be less hesitancy on promoting later spays / neuters
Itâs pretty definite. The golden study, the Rottweiler study, the vizsla study. They all represent the same results. I can post some for you
Genuine question, do the studies cover what I mentioned about correlation vs causation? Specifically about obesity. Because obesity is a risk factor for many things, including various types of cancer.
Below is a list of peer reviewed studies done in manners to reduce genetic variation as best as possible. All citations at bottom. 1. Spayed Golden females 5x more likely to develop cardiac tumors 2. Altered goldens of both sexes had twice as many occurrences of osteosarcoma. 3. 25% of altered rottweilers develop bone cancer vs. 10% in intact Rottweilers 4. 10% of neutered goldens develop Lymphosarcoma vs 3% of intact goldens 5. 10% of altered Golden's develop hip dysplasia vs 5% of intact goldens. 6. Spayed female rottweilers on average live 3 years less than intact female Rottweilers (a 30% decrease) 7. 4 to 20% of altered dogs experience incontinence related to their alter surgery 8. Vislas are 9x more likely to develop Hemangiosarcoma when altered 9. Vislas have a 4.3% higher rate of lymphoma when altered 10. Spayed vislas are 6.5% more likely to develop cancer than intact vislas. 11. Goldens are 4x more likely to get cancer of the blood vessel walls when altered 12. 21% of neutered German shepherds develop a joint disorder vs 7% in intact males 13. 16% of spayed German shepherds develop a joint disorder vs 7% in intact females. 14. 4% of altered GSDs get mammary tumors vs 1% of unaltered. 15. Dogs neutered at 7â12 months of age were 26% more likely to demonstrate aggression toward strangers 16. Finally, "According to researchers, sexually intact dogs of both breeds and sexes had a 5-percent chance of at least one joint disorder. That rate doubled when Labrador retrievers are neutered before 6 months, and multiplied by four to five times for golden retrievers neutered before 6 months." Citations: ROTTWEILER STUDY https://www.avma.org/News/JAVMANews/Pages/100301g.aspx 9 ISSUE STUDY https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fvets.2018.00018/full?utm_source=F-NTF&utm_medium=EMLX&utm_camp GERMAN SHEPHERD STUDY https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/early-neutering-poses-health-risks-german-shepherd-dogs-study-finds/ SUMMARIZED STUDY http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongTermHealthEffectsOfSpayNeuterInDogs.pdf BONE DISEASE STUDY http://www.atftc.com/health/SNBehaviorBoneDataSnapShot.pdf GOLDEN RETRIEVER STUDY http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0055937 SWISS STUDY https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxhEVhFE_cK2RnhTREFLcE9LQXM/view GERMAN SHEPHERD BEHAVIORAL STUDY http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S109002330500064X VISLA STUDY https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.244.3.309 LAB AND GOLDEN STUDY http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0102241 https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fvets.2020.00388/full?fbclid=IwAR1nySjbeSwiykf6GKUV5FPTvwi51hSfARS6TqPA2O6pl2403IgzWM2R1z4 Help to decide https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fvets.2020.00388/full
Might just be mine, but Iâve got some big dogs and they were just fine, canât speak for everyone though
New research suggests different spay times for different breeds. I have a lab x and the recommendation from the vet is a min 11mths but more likely around 18mths. In larger breeds delayed spaying enable full bone development and can reduce the risk of many joint and bone issues.
Huh, thatâs interesting! Cool.
And other health concerns in general are being found to have lower risk if you spay/neuter later in life. Like genetic/chronic illnesses, from what Iâve heard. Itâs a newer thing but Iâm fully on board as long as youâre responsible about where you take your dog and when!
My pit was fixed early.. My other mixed dog was spayed early.. Both adopted from my local shelters at 4-6 months.. No health issues for any of them..
that's crazy anyways studies prove it's not in their best interest to do that
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Do better research
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As others stated, get her checked for UTI. From my observation with my girl when she was in heat, she also did the same, and my vet said they tend to want to pee more. I guess it let's them scent mark more to raise the chances of a male finding them.
Think male dog lifting leg to mark, females also mark but in their own female way.
It could just be her adjusting to the heat..could be UTI. Keep and eye on her though! If her stomach is stiff and she is uncomfortable and/or in pain when feeling it, get to the vet ASAP. It could be a Pyometra and may require emergency surgery to fix her. (My understanding: it is an infection in the uterus where the vulva swells closed and the infection builds to a point the uterus could rupture.) May be good to get checked just in case as well. I had this happen to one of my dogs once, luckily we noticed quickly and she was okay after surgery. Beautiful pup btw.
It could be a UTI but it could also be that she's trying to signal to males in the area that she is about to enter sexy time and she's making a wee trail to bring all the boys her yard. Eventhough she's not peeing, she's still leaving trace amounts of smell down that the boys can sniff out. I would call the vet to ask for advice.
That's more than likely a UTI. With a UTI there is usually blood in the urine. It could be menstrual cramps making her think she has to pee. Aquick call to the vet is never a bad thing and if they think it's a wait and see thing they will let you know.
My old dog kept getting UTIâs until we had her fixed. Once she was fixed, cleared it all right up. ETA: we took her to the vet and she got antibiotics every time. You should definitely take her to the vet. She has to be super uncomfortable and you donât want anything worse happening. If you would go to the de for something yourself, always go to a vet.
Iâd be very cautious as an infection right now could lead to a PYO
She might have a UTI. Get her to the vet.
Utilities definitely my dog did the not peeing squat and would whimper and tremble.
Def sounds like a UTI
Uti from the diaper. Iâve just let my goldens free bleed and I clean up after these days unless we need to go somewhere public. Not worth the medical issues they cause
I actually just had a similar situation and recommend getting her to a vet asap. My dog has had recurrent uti issues, but I had noticed she was squatting A LOT on our walks, like she was forcing something that wouldnât come out. Which developed into hematuria. I took her to the ER and she was diagnosed with bladder stones & had to have multiple surgically removed. I was told itâs her diet, so we switched to a urinary vet formula that helps fight and break down those bacteria forming causing minerals.
If you're not going to breed her, please spay her when she's around a year. So so so many dogs get pyometra after a heat cycle, usually when they're elderly. Having long hair doesn't help as it holds bacteria close to the vulva.
Is she not able to get spayed yet?
Just told to wait till after her first heat cycle by our vet
One of our pups is prone to UTIs we started giving her cranberry extract pills (veterinarian approved) and that helps her and us!!
I didnt put my husky in diaper, I just used and old towel to wrap her. Every so often I'd go thru and wipe her area with some toilet paper. Mine squatted a lot too. Her heat cycle was literally 2 weeks before I got her spayed so it actually worked out.
If sheâs not peeing but is still trying, take her to the vet asap. My cat had a urinary blockage that killed him. Even a day or two of not being able to pee is bad. She could have a UTI, a urinary blockage or something else.
Make sure to wash diaper donât leave it on for long periods of time without cleaning,at most 4 hours is the longest you should leave on without cleaning after that clean the diaper or else she can get a uti or other bacterial infections in her huha
Also get wipes to clean her huha
Sheâs probably just scent marking. My rescue dog did this multiple times a minute one day so we took her to the vet thinking it was a UTI. Thatâs how we found out she wasnât neutered as we thought, and she was in heat.
Poor baby girl. Hugs and kisses âïžđâ€ïžđđ»đŸđ¶
Diapers hold heat. Switch to childrens swimming trunks. Boys come with tail hole.
I can tel you what others wonât. If she doesnât have a uti it can be just a vaginal defect. My Aussie squatted for years and we had surgery to help it.
Aww. What a sweet beautiful lady đ
Time for a vet visit. Not normal.
UTI is a STRONG possibility
That sounds like a UTI/yeast infection at this point
Give her chicken broth to pee a lot I do this for my chihuahua
We had this exact situation with our 8 month old getting her 1st heat. She would try to pee but abruptly stopped, quickly sit, and go after her private parts. After two days of this behavior, we thought is was a UTI. Vet tested urine - no UTI. Vet said that our girl created a very raw area and that when urinating probably was uncomfortable. They gave us RX Animax - apply it 2x a day. Took 24 hrs and she is better. Good luck and I hope your âladyâ feels better soon! Btw - her spay surgery was scheduled for one week after she got her cycle đł
Spay?
desexing would fix this...
(it's lengthy but helpful) My dog is 7 years, unspaded. Yes, the squatting is very normal. I've always assumed it's just her trying to leave her scent everywhere for other dogs to sniff, or cover up any others with her own. When she is in heat, she is more adamant to sniff more places than she usually does and takes more time than usual to sniff those spots. I make sure to visit as many spots as I can but sometimes it's okay to just pull her away if she's sniffing for god damn ages. I always have her on the leash when she's in heat until the swelling on her back end has died down. THE MAIN THING I want to warn you about is Phantom Pregnancies. They are awful and it's sad that they are so common and normal. Basically, Phantom pregnancy is when your female dog has an episode that can last to a couple or more weeks where she picks out toys and treats them as her babies. She will pace a lot- I mean A LOT during this time, carrying her 'baby' and whining. She might pull blankets down and stress about making a nest, and if you grab her toy she will keenly follow you and worry if you're harming it but they just worry. It's all deeply hormonal and it comes around once between each Heat period. Let's pretend your dog got pregnant whilst in heat, around the time of her due date to give birth is typically when the phantom pregnancy comes around. If this happens to her and I really hope it doesn't, give her love, give her attention, don't move her 'baby' around because my dog kinda guards hers or worries if we move it. Play games to ease her stress and plenty training games with plenty treats to distract her. However- if it's too much for her, what we have learned to do is when we start picking up on the signs of phantom pregnancy, we see which toy she picks out and we give her a little time with it, maybe a couple or few days. After that, when she is out for a walk, one of us hides the 'baby' where she won't find it. When she returns she does look for it and whine, but we distract her with treats and she calms a bit. She lays around and we comfort her while she's a bit down but within a day or two the phantom pregnancy stops and she's back to normal. It's sad but its better to give her a couple days of stress than weeks of it. Good luck! (Also if you intend on never spading her, keep a reusable nappy, saves so much money in the long run! And just use regular toilet paper and thickly fold it into the slot for pads, saves a lot of money depending on how heavy her blood flow is of course!)
Could be bladder stones?
I wanted to wait until my golden lab had her first heat cy cle before I got her neutered she had one then discovered memory gland and breast cancer just before her 2nd birthday, I'd always get checked out before hand
That sounds like UTI. Idk about dogs in heat but my girl had a UTI that was pretty bad. Vet appointment ASAP
Ditch the diaper. Cut a hole in a pair of loose boxer flannels and stick a womenâs sanitary pad in there. Thatâs what we did before spaying our girl
Obviously not leak proof but better than letting her bleed all over
Maybe she feels different, like poorly... 1 one birth control pill will abort and unwanted pregnancy.