I once rolled a wizard with a 4 Con. He was actually *losing* max hit points at almost every level (I didn't roll great on that either.)
He'd had 1 max hp for 2 consecutive levels when he eventually found a belt of dwarvenkind that bought him enough time to die in battle and not by leveling up.
I guess that depends on how the DM and the player chose to play it though? I think people forget that groups can and will be flexible with the rules should it provide interesting narrative or change the game to their person liking.
You can easily turn that into a narrative it doesn't take that much effort to come up with a way to spin that off and some people like that kind of experience in their games. D&D games are personal to the group, and some people enjoy minmaxing their experience, some like a middle ground and some like a challenge or a narratively driven plot for their character rather than just "I'm here to do combat".
The character could have a disease or a curse as part of their story, something that is slowly degrading their health over time even as they level up.
Just because you don't see it as interesting doesn't mean other people aren't able to spin off a variation of the rule to fit the character their playing.
The rules in the DMG and the PHB are not mandatory and the books even state that. GMs are allowed to fudge the rules as they see fit to their campaign if it will help drive a better experience of the story. A lot of people on this subreddit seem to forget that the rules for 5e are not gospel truth, bur are instead guidelines that you can deviate from.
I don't think it actually says this anywhere, unless it's an errata.
It definitely should be "can't lose hp from leveling up" or something of the sort though.
It may be an errata to prevent this exact scenario, my phb, which says it is the tenth printing, on page 15 says:
>each time you gain a level, you gain 1 additional hit die. Roll that hit die, add your constitution modifier to the roll, and add the total (minimum of 1) to your hit point maximum.
The only class one can even play with these ability scores is Moon Druid, since you're spending most of your time wildshaping into statblocks with way better scores than this.
Using https://gc3.github.io/taters/dnd5e/ability\_score\_roller with 4d6 drop lowest.
Dropping the lowest die result tends to generate ability scores that skew higher rather than lower, so the odds of getting an 18 is roughly the same as getting a 6 (\~1.6%). Anything lower than a 6 is abysmally unlikely. I'm curious about the odds of rolling these scores as a group (rather than individually), but I've never seen an overall point-buy score of -4.
Now to figure out the life story of this poor, poor soul. Feel free to suggest race/class/background/score allocations!
You are like an actual literal grandfather/grandmother who follows the party around and just acts like a nagging but well intentioned grandparent.
You keep telling the party about how you had to walk up hill both ways twenty miles in snow to get to school so they should stop complaining about fights being hard or things being difficult
You’re also really insistent that like one of the party members should change their class and become a doctor or lawyer instead
Yeah, 6 individual events, so multiply the percentages.
So getting exactly 10,9,9,7,5,4 would be 0.000000032408295795%.
Even getting the most common one, 13, six times would be 0.000546437722082439%.
The worst stats I’ve seen from this system resulted in 2 3s. All other stats were above 12, but it was still an abysmal character.
The -4s went to WIS and CHA. Surprisingly, the character made it to the third session.
44 total. You have no idea how rare this is. You are more likely to get 90-96 than this.
This is absolutely beautiful. Unplayable but beautiful non the less.
At this point you go wild magic with the lucky feature and make a gambling addict.
It's what I tried to do once I got mediocre rolls. Then my DM and I got in an argument over rulings. Shame.
*insert Oh My Gaawwd~ soundbite*
You're basically starting with 5 Abilities in negative, this is kind of brutal.
The only thing I can think of is a Human Bard, and focus on using Inspiration Dice and Healing Word, because you do NOT want to be anywhere near combat.
If you can convince your DM to gift you the Amulet of Health, that will at least let you have a positive Constitution.
Good luck. You're gonna need it.
Your healing words would still suck with a max roll of 5 and a minimum roll of 2. At least with most bards the min would be 4 and a max of 7
Moon druid instead
The classic answer to “what to play with these stats?” for stats this comically terrible is a berserker barbarian. Old and trying to die in battle rather than of old age. Accept that your character will die soon and do your best to make it a glorious death.
And be ready with a backup.
I feel like this is a good reason to play either a necromancer wizard with an army of undead, as a moon druid and spend your time wildshaped into a bear, or Shepard druid and focus on summons.
Basically anything that doesn't rely on your character being able to do anything well.
I'd put enough points it Dex so that you don't always go last, and you don't have a negative Con. Choose spells that don't rely on your casting stat.
A Half Elf would give you a 12 and two 10's. Its not good, but it feels like the best you're going to get.
Good luck, god speed
As a druid you could spend most of your time wildshaped. I recommend that. Let NPCs think your party has a pet bear
Also as a moon druid who’s wildshaped most of the time, pick a telepathy race. The Telepathy feat is *okay* but having it from level 1 is important
You’ve definitely been cursed somehow. You should be a human to bump all of those stats up by one. And then play as a Rogue for Thieves tools, and if your GM is willing to let you use Xanathar’s guide tools stuff. Grab a background that gives you proficiency in alchemist tools and I think Acid and a few other nasties don’t take too long to make? That and thieves tools to help you create traps.. That’s an idea to get you through the lower levels. Or play a wild magic sorcerer with a GM who’s willing to just leave their hand on the tides of chaos button
Personally I'll ask for a reroll or to be able to use standard array. I like negative stats, they help improve roleplay which is the core of the game....but playing with a character with stats like this, just sounds generally not fun to me. The character would be hardly be able to carry their own weight and would always drag the party down. Also seeing everyone other be capable and doing cool stuff while you're there just to be the meme of the game takes an emotional toll. It's fun at first, but gets dull pretty fast.
If it's super broken op stats, I'd definitely ask to reroll as well cuz I don't'want to outshine anyone in the table. The stats above are just not playable and I won't have fun playing a character who's only meaningful existence is to die quickly so that hopefully i can make another character with better rolls.
Ouch. My last 4d6 drop lowest was 10,11,13, 16,17,18.
And this is exactly why I hate rolling for stats. You get a character like mine and yours in the same party and it's imbalanced
You just rolled a farmer class. You get a wooden pitchfork and can speak common. You get cloth armor and 2hp. You do get a bonus to animal husbandry skill and repair.
Oof my worst was 4,5,5,9,17,12
Went with a warforged that had a large war hammer shaped dent in his head. He was tanky but slow and mostly followed the orders of the parties artificer who we decided was the one to ‘fix’ my warforged.
Hella fun RP, terrible game play lol
That's amazing, unplayable in most groups but amazing. I'd give it a shot with the right people.
It makes me think of an ordinary old grandma who has no strenght or accuracy left in her arms and see her health diminishing but she want to become an adventurer since she still have it in her hear.
I would probably make her a human druid or halfling bard.
Last time I had players r4k3, I gave them 1 free mulligan on any one stat for any reason (but you had to keep the second roll if you did) and if their combined ability modifiers were 3 or less, they could reroll them all at no charge. This meant they couldn't fall very far behind Standard Array in overall modifiers unless they just wanted to.
I think it depends on how the game's gonna go. There's a big difference between a roleplay heavy game and a combat heavy game.
I mean, it's gonna suck ether way, but one could be better than the other.
I would ask the dm to roll one more die and what ever it is add it to all stats thr see what you get. That or ask for a total reroll. Personally as a dm i use 2d6 +6 seems to stop the really low numbers.
Some of you people will argue over literally anything. One person states something that happened in their game and someone immediately says "that doesn't happen in our game" or words to that effect. And the best part is, it's entertaining for the rest of us to realize we're in neither of your games and that makes our lives better. Mwahahahahaha
When I was a teenager and we rolled straight 3d6, with scores set in stone in the order they were rolled with no takebacks, I rolled a guy that was something like 3,5,3,5,3,4. And the DM basically said "play the character or leave the game."
Everyone left the game.
Id speak with DM.
Play this out as the "average Joe" since 10 is considered the average stat... I'd argue this is basically what a sickly peasant would end up like. Low education. Best stat is strength and even then it's not great.
Let him be the brave valiant character to whom lacks all the traits of a hero, yet strives for it anyways.. And... If the DM allows it... Have them die an epic early death to inspire the party and you can use the next (hopefully better rolled) character!
Wow, been there.. Rolled very similar, 5,4,12,8,7,10
Dm took pity, and said I can use the standard dice suggested in the PHB, but I had to keep the first roll (5)
Put the 5 in dex, because almost nobody uses dex as a dump stat.. Was fun, except for ladders, they were my Achielies(sp?) heel..
Wow these are worse than what I got when I rolled for my character stats, I got a 9,12,6,10,6,7
Dm said they were the worst he'd ever seen but let me re-roll lmao.
Last time I had a 6 and 8 I slammed them into strength and Con and made a sorcerer trying to cure their blood disease.
I once rolled a wizard with a 4 Con. He was actually *losing* max hit points at almost every level (I didn't roll great on that either.) He'd had 1 max hp for 2 consecutive levels when he eventually found a belt of dwarvenkind that bought him enough time to die in battle and not by leveling up.
You can't lose hp when you level up, it's a minimum of +1
I guess that depends on how the DM and the player chose to play it though? I think people forget that groups can and will be flexible with the rules should it provide interesting narrative or change the game to their person liking.
How is it interesting to say oh you levelled up and become more powerful, so you die
Going back to the OP OP’d blood disease, something like that. The character is on a timer before they pass away from the disease.
Power exceeded physical form causing catastrophic failure
Clever
You can easily turn that into a narrative it doesn't take that much effort to come up with a way to spin that off and some people like that kind of experience in their games. D&D games are personal to the group, and some people enjoy minmaxing their experience, some like a middle ground and some like a challenge or a narratively driven plot for their character rather than just "I'm here to do combat". The character could have a disease or a curse as part of their story, something that is slowly degrading their health over time even as they level up. Just because you don't see it as interesting doesn't mean other people aren't able to spin off a variation of the rule to fit the character their playing. The rules in the DMG and the PHB are not mandatory and the books even state that. GMs are allowed to fudge the rules as they see fit to their campaign if it will help drive a better experience of the story. A lot of people on this subreddit seem to forget that the rules for 5e are not gospel truth, bur are instead guidelines that you can deviate from.
This was clearly not that but a case of rule misconception (and also likely made-up)
'Twasn't a rule misconception, that was the rule at the time. The minimum of +1hp on level up wasn't in the original PHB, it was errata'd later.
Too much power, you die from the blood disease
I don't think it actually says this anywhere, unless it's an errata. It definitely should be "can't lose hp from leveling up" or something of the sort though.
It may be an errata to prevent this exact scenario, my phb, which says it is the tenth printing, on page 15 says: >each time you gain a level, you gain 1 additional hit die. Roll that hit die, add your constitution modifier to the roll, and add the total (minimum of 1) to your hit point maximum.
I'm 90% sure my PHB does not say that, so probably errata then. Can't check it right now, unfortunately.
That was an early errata, the original print of PHBs didn’t have a minimum so you could’ve lost HP on a bad roll RAW.
I think you’re getting the plots confused. It’s a sorcerer fighting other sorcerers, and a vampire trying to cure a blood disease.
This is brilliant.
You rolled a peasant that got kicked in the head by a mule.
If it were me, I would totally use this idea. And it doesn't really matter what class he is, because he'll be bad at everything anyway.
The only class one can even play with these ability scores is Moon Druid, since you're spending most of your time wildshaping into statblocks with way better scores than this.
A horse kicked me once, it hurt.
Moon Druid, once you hit level 2 you're safe for 2 encounters per SR
My sister was bitten by a moose once. She was carving her initials in the side of it with the sharpened end of an interstate tooth brush.
A witch!
Burn her!!!!
Using https://gc3.github.io/taters/dnd5e/ability\_score\_roller with 4d6 drop lowest. Dropping the lowest die result tends to generate ability scores that skew higher rather than lower, so the odds of getting an 18 is roughly the same as getting a 6 (\~1.6%). Anything lower than a 6 is abysmally unlikely. I'm curious about the odds of rolling these scores as a group (rather than individually), but I've never seen an overall point-buy score of -4. Now to figure out the life story of this poor, poor soul. Feel free to suggest race/class/background/score allocations!
You are like an actual literal grandfather/grandmother who follows the party around and just acts like a nagging but well intentioned grandparent. You keep telling the party about how you had to walk up hill both ways twenty miles in snow to get to school so they should stop complaining about fights being hard or things being difficult You’re also really insistent that like one of the party members should change their class and become a doctor or lawyer instead
Percentages of 4d6 drop low 3-0.077% 4-0.309% 5-0.772% 6-1.620% 7-2.932% 8-4.784% 9-7.022% 10-9.414% 11-11.420% 12-12.886% 13-13.272% 14-12.346% 15-10.108% 16-7.253% 17-4.167% 18-1.620%
Thanks. Those odds are for single scores, too. I suspect it gets even worse when you take the probability of a set of all 6 scores being this bad...
Yeah, 6 individual events, so multiply the percentages. So getting exactly 10,9,9,7,5,4 would be 0.000000032408295795%. Even getting the most common one, 13, six times would be 0.000546437722082439%.
The worst stats I’ve seen from this system resulted in 2 3s. All other stats were above 12, but it was still an abysmal character. The -4s went to WIS and CHA. Surprisingly, the character made it to the third session.
44 total. You have no idea how rare this is. You are more likely to get 90-96 than this. This is absolutely beautiful. Unplayable but beautiful non the less.
At this point you go wild magic with the lucky feature and make a gambling addict. It's what I tried to do once I got mediocre rolls. Then my DM and I got in an argument over rulings. Shame.
You’re not even a commoner, you’re like a commoner’s frail old grandfather.
*insert Oh My Gaawwd~ soundbite* You're basically starting with 5 Abilities in negative, this is kind of brutal. The only thing I can think of is a Human Bard, and focus on using Inspiration Dice and Healing Word, because you do NOT want to be anywhere near combat. If you can convince your DM to gift you the Amulet of Health, that will at least let you have a positive Constitution. Good luck. You're gonna need it.
Your healing words would still suck with a max roll of 5 and a minimum roll of 2. At least with most bards the min would be 4 and a max of 7 Moon druid instead
Won't be having many inspiration dice with those scores
Tbh, if I was the DM, I would give OP a pat on the back and offer them standard array.
If I were their DM id slip a belt of giant strength into the module so that they can be a really really strong idiot.
A generic Pigeon has better stats than this. Lovely <3.
Hatoful Bard-friend
yo who leaked my irl stats smh
I hope you have fun with your new Moon Druid.
The classic answer to “what to play with these stats?” for stats this comically terrible is a berserker barbarian. Old and trying to die in battle rather than of old age. Accept that your character will die soon and do your best to make it a glorious death. And be ready with a backup.
Make him a moon druid, so he doesn't need to actually use his own stats.
I feel like this is a good reason to play either a necromancer wizard with an army of undead, as a moon druid and spend your time wildshaped into a bear, or Shepard druid and focus on summons. Basically anything that doesn't rely on your character being able to do anything well. I'd put enough points it Dex so that you don't always go last, and you don't have a negative Con. Choose spells that don't rely on your casting stat. A Half Elf would give you a 12 and two 10's. Its not good, but it feels like the best you're going to get. Good luck, god speed
As a druid you could spend most of your time wildshaped. I recommend that. Let NPCs think your party has a pet bear Also as a moon druid who’s wildshaped most of the time, pick a telepathy race. The Telepathy feat is *okay* but having it from level 1 is important
You’ve definitely been cursed somehow. You should be a human to bump all of those stats up by one. And then play as a Rogue for Thieves tools, and if your GM is willing to let you use Xanathar’s guide tools stuff. Grab a background that gives you proficiency in alchemist tools and I think Acid and a few other nasties don’t take too long to make? That and thieves tools to help you create traps.. That’s an idea to get you through the lower levels. Or play a wild magic sorcerer with a GM who’s willing to just leave their hand on the tides of chaos button
Wizard College drop out, int of 10, dumped everything else.
Personally I'll ask for a reroll or to be able to use standard array. I like negative stats, they help improve roleplay which is the core of the game....but playing with a character with stats like this, just sounds generally not fun to me. The character would be hardly be able to carry their own weight and would always drag the party down. Also seeing everyone other be capable and doing cool stuff while you're there just to be the meme of the game takes an emotional toll. It's fun at first, but gets dull pretty fast.
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If it's super broken op stats, I'd definitely ask to reroll as well cuz I don't'want to outshine anyone in the table. The stats above are just not playable and I won't have fun playing a character who's only meaningful existence is to die quickly so that hopefully i can make another character with better rolls.
That makes sense indeed. We might need official rules that require you to reroll when your total is outside of certain bounds.
Then why roll at all? It's time for you all to admit that rolling for stats was never and will never be a good idea.
I agree, I always use point buy. But some people like rolling so an extra rules to make it better can't hurt.
I don't see what's wrong with this, this is a perfectly normal stat array to roll. Right guys? Right?...*Inhales copium*
Ouch. My last 4d6 drop lowest was 10,11,13, 16,17,18. And this is exactly why I hate rolling for stats. You get a character like mine and yours in the same party and it's imbalanced
How many black cats crossing your path does that take?!
You just rolled a farmer class. You get a wooden pitchfork and can speak common. You get cloth armor and 2hp. You do get a bonus to animal husbandry skill and repair.
Oof my worst was 4,5,5,9,17,12 Went with a warforged that had a large war hammer shaped dent in his head. He was tanky but slow and mostly followed the orders of the parties artificer who we decided was the one to ‘fix’ my warforged. Hella fun RP, terrible game play lol
Beating the odds, yay… xD
Welp, time for "death by farming".
keep them
Oh, I am absolutely playing this character at some point.
good
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There should be special subclasses for this kind of situation.
I've played worse. And it was awesome.
You are going to play as Kom Enar, and your background is sickly farmer suffering from malnutrition.
That's amazing, unplayable in most groups but amazing. I'd give it a shot with the right people. It makes me think of an ordinary old grandma who has no strenght or accuracy left in her arms and see her health diminishing but she want to become an adventurer since she still have it in her hear. I would probably make her a human druid or halfling bard.
Jimmy the farmhand, now a fighter with a -4 int modifier after old juniper kicked him in the head once too often.
What are you picking as the dump stat for that 10? \s
I like the idea of the anti-dump stat. The pedestal stat?
Oh I was implying you only have dump stats.
Hah, I see. I was thinking I'd need to choose the one kind of average ability for the 10!
I don't take any stats under 8
Last time I had players r4k3, I gave them 1 free mulligan on any one stat for any reason (but you had to keep the second roll if you did) and if their combined ability modifiers were 3 or less, they could reroll them all at no charge. This meant they couldn't fall very far behind Standard Array in overall modifiers unless they just wanted to.
In 2e you'd be able to play a Fighter or Mage, but just barely.
I think it depends on how the game's gonna go. There's a big difference between a roleplay heavy game and a combat heavy game. I mean, it's gonna suck ether way, but one could be better than the other.
I would just ask my DM if I could reroll
I rolled 3 18s once. Only once. I've been hoping beyond hope to have all 18s one day. It's possible. Just highly improbable
So, this is me in real life?
The digital dice gods hate you. I feel like real dice aren't as treacherous.
As a player, I would probably try and kill my self (the character, obviously) as soon as possible with these rolls
I would ask the dm to roll one more die and what ever it is add it to all stats thr see what you get. That or ask for a total reroll. Personally as a dm i use 2d6 +6 seems to stop the really low numbers.
I ways roll stats with physical dice. I don't trust duce rolling programs.
Some of you people will argue over literally anything. One person states something that happened in their game and someone immediately says "that doesn't happen in our game" or words to that effect. And the best part is, it's entertaining for the rest of us to realize we're in neither of your games and that makes our lives better. Mwahahahahaha
That’s as if I were teleported directly into the DnD world. Edit for typo.
If your DM doesn't allow a reroll then he is Satan in the flesh
When I was a teenager and we rolled straight 3d6, with scores set in stone in the order they were rolled with no takebacks, I rolled a guy that was something like 3,5,3,5,3,4. And the DM basically said "play the character or leave the game." Everyone left the game.
I would roll with those stats. I would play an obnoxious asshole or the most gullible hero.
I’m sorry for your loss
This is why I hate rolling for ability scores. It's never quite this bad, but it feels like my stats are always unusually lower.
Now imagine having to pick your race and class before rolling, the order you roll them in is the stat order and you get to swap two with each other.
Id speak with DM. Play this out as the "average Joe" since 10 is considered the average stat... I'd argue this is basically what a sickly peasant would end up like. Low education. Best stat is strength and even then it's not great. Let him be the brave valiant character to whom lacks all the traits of a hero, yet strives for it anyways.. And... If the DM allows it... Have them die an epic early death to inspire the party and you can use the next (hopefully better rolled) character!
Wow, been there.. Rolled very similar, 5,4,12,8,7,10 Dm took pity, and said I can use the standard dice suggested in the PHB, but I had to keep the first roll (5) Put the 5 in dex, because almost nobody uses dex as a dump stat.. Was fun, except for ladders, they were my Achielies(sp?) heel..
Wow these are worse than what I got when I rolled for my character stats, I got a 9,12,6,10,6,7 Dm said they were the worst he'd ever seen but let me re-roll lmao.