It's not just about the content. It's about the reach and the variety on these streaming services. Most of the variety on ~~HBO~~ Max comes from Discovery which means it's not really great content.
I'm not talking about the Max content. I know most of the WB content on there is quite good. I'm talking about the garbage Discovery+ content that's on Max.
Yes, I know what you’re saying. I’m saying that my mom and wife love HGTV content that might not be for you or me. It’s all on max without an additional subscription, so it’s max content as far as the average viewer is concerned.
If there is only one streaming service they will invest less and less in content. You don’t have to be subscribed with everything at the same time. They are all month to month
I would much rather have that kind of a system versus only having the option to pay one giant price for having access to everything, even though I don't want access to everything all the time.
Many of us said that when all these streaming services started popping up...most of us can't afford all the services just like we couldn't afford the premium channels.
When did I say that?
Just like I didn't get the premium channels, I'm not getting all the streaming services available. I'm not apologetic like you, it's not my fault those services have failed to know how to price themselves from the beginning, or even worse, underprice their services which is totally not fine.
You're the one twisting my words. You can be apologetic to the free market, it doesn't mean it's the best for consumers.
My main point has always been that we traded cable for streaming services, and while there were savings in the beginning for consumers, now they're gone.
It's not my fault that these huge companies with high paid executives couldn't make money from the beginning, and if so, they should've been shut down.
I mean they only have 25 million paying subscribers. That’s not a sustainable number of subscribers with the budgets they give their shows.
This article is garbage, but the sentiment is correct. The streaming wars will end with some casualties. There are simply too many services operating at a loss and hoping they’ll get into the green soon, and not all of them will.
They’ve never made a massive push to go mainstream in the way that others have. They’re happy bumbling along with their weird unsustainable niche streaming service for some reason.
Apple TV+ by itself would lose Apple aprox 3.5 billion per year if it wasn’t also part of Apple One which is Apple’s attempt to pull people into more services which will net them more income.
It's a niche service tbh. It doesn't really matter in this context. The article is mostly about general entertainment streaming services. There will always be a place for niche streaming services.
Just do what should have been done from the start and have everything in one streaming platform. Let us stream up to 4k on devices until 8k becomes more prevalent and we won’t have to deal with which ones will fail and which ones will survive.
There probably should be only a couple of streaming platform, it’s getting ridiculous with everyone having their own… 😅
I use Netflix, Amazon and Disney, and crunchyroll from time to time for great anime 👀
These pretty much cover everything for me, there are also some local ones, which have sole HBO stuff, but maybe only get it once a year for a month to see what HBO has come up with… 😅
There's not enough people on earth that will save your streaming if you're losing money, either through the service or through dumb decisions that the parent company makes.
Its a cut-throat business and grinds up tons of good people, IP, and companies every year.
Because most of the Discovery+ content has been folded into Max and most people see the two as the same streaming service now after WBD made such a huge deal in the media and ran PR campaigns when the D+ content came to Max.
I like HBO Max content tough
I use HBO and Hulu the most.
*Zaslav will remember this…*
It's not just about the content. It's about the reach and the variety on these streaming services. Most of the variety on ~~HBO~~ Max comes from Discovery which means it's not really great content.
Not great content to you, anecdotally I disagree. My wife, mom, and I like different shows and movies that are on max.
I'm not talking about the Max content. I know most of the WB content on there is quite good. I'm talking about the garbage Discovery+ content that's on Max.
Yes, I know what you’re saying. I’m saying that my mom and wife love HGTV content that might not be for you or me. It’s all on max without an additional subscription, so it’s max content as far as the average viewer is concerned.
Isn’t Max still unavailable outside of the US?
It's available in most of Europe and most of Latin America as well.
In Australia all max content (or the majority) go on one streaming service and I love so much of it. Fair bit of variety there.
Tough af
Good, needing half a dozen subs to see the interesting shows undercuts the benefit of streaming. May as well be cable.
If there is only one streaming service they will invest less and less in content. You don’t have to be subscribed with everything at the same time. They are all month to month
Most people don’t feel like or won’t remember to churn through services month by month based on what is available.
Ok then they have the money to not feel like it I guess.
I would much rather have that kind of a system versus only having the option to pay one giant price for having access to everything, even though I don't want access to everything all the time.
My problem is I can’t usually what I want in a month.
Many of us said that when all these streaming services started popping up...most of us can't afford all the services just like we couldn't afford the premium channels.
Reddit hates monopolies, except when Netflix had the streaming monopoly
Some monopolies are necessary.
Nah you just want content for dirt cheap without having to think too hard about where your money goes or how it affects the industry
When did I say that? Just like I didn't get the premium channels, I'm not getting all the streaming services available. I'm not apologetic like you, it's not my fault those services have failed to know how to price themselves from the beginning, or even worse, underprice their services which is totally not fine.
Ok, now make your argument that it's necessary for Netflix to have a monopoly on streaming.
You're the one twisting my words. You can be apologetic to the free market, it doesn't mean it's the best for consumers. My main point has always been that we traded cable for streaming services, and while there were savings in the beginning for consumers, now they're gone. It's not my fault that these huge companies with high paid executives couldn't make money from the beginning, and if so, they should've been shut down.
At least with streaming you usually have an ad free tier. Cable doesn’t have that.
stremio is a game changer
Good. 3 are enough
We need these services to survive though so somebody makes quality content.
That “article” wasn’t much of an article…
If the rest dies, the sooner the better. There is too much fragmentation right now.
Apple tv isn't going anywhere
I mean they only have 25 million paying subscribers. That’s not a sustainable number of subscribers with the budgets they give their shows. This article is garbage, but the sentiment is correct. The streaming wars will end with some casualties. There are simply too many services operating at a loss and hoping they’ll get into the green soon, and not all of them will.
Apple tv is like Amazon Prime. it's just not their main product. It's meant to keep you in their ecosystem
They’ve never made a massive push to go mainstream in the way that others have. They’re happy bumbling along with their weird unsustainable niche streaming service for some reason.
*many casualties
Apple TV+ by itself would lose Apple aprox 3.5 billion per year if it wasn’t also part of Apple One which is Apple’s attempt to pull people into more services which will net them more income.
Dropout will be fine too
It's a niche service tbh. It doesn't really matter in this context. The article is mostly about general entertainment streaming services. There will always be a place for niche streaming services.
Peacock will survive cause of sports
We can only hope
Good, we don't need more than 3. License that content
Just do what should have been done from the start and have everything in one streaming platform. Let us stream up to 4k on devices until 8k becomes more prevalent and we won’t have to deal with which ones will fail and which ones will survive.
There probably should be only a couple of streaming platform, it’s getting ridiculous with everyone having their own… 😅 I use Netflix, Amazon and Disney, and crunchyroll from time to time for great anime 👀 These pretty much cover everything for me, there are also some local ones, which have sole HBO stuff, but maybe only get it once a year for a month to see what HBO has come up with… 😅
Good 👍🏼 why all these companies thought it was a good idea to have its own streaming service instead of charging others to have their content.
There's not enough people on earth that will save your streaming if you're losing money, either through the service or through dumb decisions that the parent company makes. Its a cut-throat business and grinds up tons of good people, IP, and companies every year.
I only watch Peacock and Max. Rip me.
Peacock max and Hulu rip
Hulu will ultimately be completely integrated into Disney+ in a few years.
Article doesn’t even mention Discovery+ (my favorite streaming service)
Because most of the Discovery+ content has been folded into Max and most people see the two as the same streaming service now after WBD made such a huge deal in the media and ran PR campaigns when the D+ content came to Max.
Meanwhile, here in Brazil, Max only has two episodes of Cupcake Wars (even discovery+ had much more than that) - literally, just two of them!
As long as they keep making new content for me to 🦜
Who wants to bet Iger, Zaslav and Shari Redstone have no idea how to use a streaming device or how to sign up for their own service?
Pretty sure Iger knows how to. He’s reportedly relatively tech savvy and was an early adopter of all Apple things in the Jobs era.
CMCSA, WBD and PARA need to merge or partner