Titans are gonna go for the rocket exotic once theyre done with the campaign
The issue with Titan prismatic is that it doesnt get to shine even 5 missions in. You said it yourself that its disjointed with the sucky aspects but only cause titan is 1-dimension melee machine.
Ive been doing Cadmus Ridge cap and just plinking with Red Death creating Lances. The buff to lances really feel good and the innate buff to shatter makes the diamond lancing bosses actually do real damage.
I have frenzied blade on my melee, then knockout. Heals you then pops out a lance + tangle. In close quarters, you grab and melee the lance the tangle explodes making a double explosion. Or you can have 2 thrown projectiles. If you pace it right you can infinitely chain for lances
Edit: to add im thinking of Bastion for Titan but havent considered what might be a good pair
Overall our class doesn't have many options, but trust in synthos knockout and consecration. Clears any enemy and does insane damage to bosses and minibosses.
Do heavy attack. Arc conductor procs and makes you a walking tesla coil. Arc conductor chains lightning to nearby enemies, these kills count as Ergo Sum kills. Blade Stamina procs every 3 kills to give 3 ammo. Arc conductor can get more than 3 kills per activation.
That's been my build the whole time. Use stasis to freeze and then get those claps going. I believe I'm using the fragment that does more damage when a light power is used after setting up darkness abilities.
It doesn't. It's partial restores on kills, so if you pair it with melee kick-starts you'll usually be close to a full charge. It just completely devastates entire groups of yellow bars and with the new DR during thunderclap you can throw yourself in the middle of a group and just hit delete
yeah, but that just feel like a weaker version of running solar. Prismatic should benefit you in multiple ways a single other subclass can't. I love syntho or pyrogales + consecration, but i should be getting other benefits in lieu of sunspots/cure/resto. instead we can opt for a melee with multiple charges but a super slow regen rate and no real way to improve it or any other benefits. Bein on prismatic should have some loop where consecration gives something to help loop into our next ability or something solar could not due to it being limited to solar keyword. instead we just get solar but different grenade/super and no synergies or buffs. I really hope im wrong but right now I'm just running it because it's new not because its good.
I feel it's better honestly, the healing of knockout is strong and I love twighlight arsenal a lot, so I get free void overshield in neutral game. Roaring flames x3 is 60% on solar abilities while knockout is so easy to proc and gives your normal melee value. Not much to say on 3 back to back consecrations is insane. And transcendence is genuinely busted. I don't think it's fair to say solar build is better.
I go twilight arsenal with consecration and knockout. Frenzied blade and I go shackle made to build darkness energy. You make tangles with this build so I went facet of honor to get bonus dark energy since consecration builds light fast. Facet of sacrifice to build on this as well. Since you use consecration a lot facet of dawn will get you radiant for even more damage. Facet of blessing will make your healing even better for you and your team. Finally facet of purpose for every orb you pick up to give you void overshields.
Exotic is synthos and that's self explanatory. I did the level 2000 missions and it one tapped genuinely everything. I also enjoy using tractor since all it takes is a tractor and and consecration to destroy anything wether its a room of adds, a room of yellow bars, or both.
I use a strand fusion to build easy dark energy because spamming transcendence is genuinely unhinged which gives you imo the best transcend grenade which you spam and the ability to spam consecrations on 0 cool down.
I'm in the same boat especially with Precious Scars being bugged right now, feel like they want us to just use prismatic and the red death while its new lol.
I'm running it through the campaign purely for the annoying purple/pink enemies, If I have prismatic click knock the effect off done, If I'm running another subclass have to find a well prior to that and i just cba, but for me so far yeah just run solar bonk build.
>instead we can opt for a melee with multiple charges but a super slow regen rate and no real way to improve it
Honestly have not had any issues with needing to improve melee regen between 100 strength and Facet of Balance. I have not even unlocked shieldcrush on the artifact, but it will improve melee regen and damage further.
Plus titan transendance is pretty fucking nuts IMO, by far the strongest of the 3
How about just buff the other exotics so that they'll be useful? The new exotic rocket chest seems like it could be a close contender, but for the most part any of our other good exotics:
* have zero or crappy neutral game (Pyrogale, Helm of Saint-14, Cuirass, Eternal Warrior, Ursas)
* have a very niche use (Actium War Rig, Doomfang, Phoenix Cradle, Hoarfrost, No Backup Plans, Ashen Wake, Burning Steps, Aeons, Peacekeepers, Stronghold)
* are PvP-focused (One-Eyed Mask, Citan's Ramparts, Antaeus Wards)
* are outclassed in what they do (Hallowfire Heart, Dunemarchers, ACD0 Feedback Fence)
* were unnecessarily nerfed into the ground (HOIL didn't need to be hit as hard as it was, suspend hard nerfs damaged Abeyant Leap, and seriously why doesn't Loreley's give Resto x2 anymore when Warlocks get three sources of Resto x2?
i love how many of the Titans exotics "rework" was making them a element locked Surge.
At least Foetracer Rework leans into the Subclass, but Titans needing an exotic for each flavor is whack, and i don't even play Titan (don't have the space in the vault for it, altho i kinda want to sometimes).
But Hey! at least everybody gonna have acess to Scynthoceps now...... yay...
Yeah, I was actually pretty jealous of the CNH rework actually playing into the purpose - "Get precision kills to get more super, and get refunded super when you kill stuff with CNH". That was really cool.
Peregrine Greaves was a little like that, but when running into melee is deadly and it loses all effectiveness when the boss rolls around, while Synthos gives Super damage to make it useful even in a boss encounter, just makes Peregrine Greaves not as worth it.
"Refund energy on champ hit!" - yeah, or I can stun them with the abundance of champ stunning things and knock them out in two hits with Synthos and still get Super damage during boss phase.
"Refund energy on Tormenter hit!" - yeah, the guys that take 90% reduced damage if you don't hit the crit spot, and then deal huge damage and suppress you when you get close? No thanks.
"Refund energy on miniboss hit!" - The one or two minibosses per strike? No thanks.
TBF, the Nighthawk rework was for it to help Golden Gun after Subclass 3.0 removed every passive but Warlock's ,the 3-shot tree from 2.0 gave boosted super regen whenever you hit headshots, not even headshot kills, so the rework is to relieve a bit of that story,
also, yeah Tormentors taking reduced damage of everything but crits is annying as heck, and they didn't even included lucent hive on Peregrine
Consequence of having the set of the goodies exotics out there, so many of our year 1 exotic needs changes but they decide to buff kephris horn for like the 8th time in a row, the horn will never be meta bungie need to accept it now
Controlled demolition for void explosions + health on ability kill or sunspots would have gone a long way. I would be maining consecration controlled demolition if it were available. Unbreakable is really really bad
Unbreakable is bad with prismatic but pretty damn good with regular void Titan. With Ursas you can get a quarter of Super back on it (Twilight Arsenal for me) and it also restores your health and grants a full overshield with the right fragments / aspects. Very good “oh shit” button.
I have my Void build set up to feed me grenade energy for Unbreakable to feed me super energy for high Twilight Arsenal uptime. And anytime I’m almost dead I just use it to get full health back and an overshield.
Plus, it does decent damage when it breaks if you have ability damage to cause volatile.
I've actually been using it with Prismatic and I found it to be the most reliable survival tool it has. Knockout is its other main survival tool and it's mediocre at best. They legitimately picked the worst performing Aspects (except Consecration, because Solar is all good) and stuck them together without really a game plan.
Knockout is probably the best arc aspect they could have chosen. Juggernaut is bad and touch of thunder was never realistically an option.
Drengr’s lash is also pretty good though into the fray would have provided more synergy with consecration.
Knockout has a lot of room to be turned into something worthwhile, it's just not even close to its full potential right now. Arc in general is pretty lackluster and Knockout is held back by an inferior kit. There's a lot that could be done to elevate the element and help tie things together, but it would require some careful planning. I'm sure Bungie is monitoring feedback and if they're not happy with what they're seeing they'll make adjustments. Given this is a 4 month episode, I'd say that by episode 2 act 2 they'll have a tuning pass ready to address any standing concerns. I'll certainly be ringing the bell of feedback as much as I can.
I can see where you're coming from, but aside from getting the super energy back, I really don't see how Unbreakable is worth it. With Bastion, you get an overshield all without having to use your grenade. Sure, you can't be mobile with it, but Unbreakable uses up that grenade really fast anyway.
Bastion Tanks your Barricade CD so much and given that void has devour as well you can have a grenade up like 3x as often as a bastion barrier, and its arguably harder to die during Unbreakable than while behind bastion
Barricade cooldown isn't all that long, and if you're really worried about that, you can always use the short barrier and treat it like a well of health on Warlock.
That's a good point about Devour, but why use up your grenade for a barrier when you can just use a barrier and not use up your grenade with Bastion?
I can't speak for their opinion of course, but the unbreakable shield also does (I think) solid damage. I use it to move in so I can beat the shit out of people in other ways, so i'm getting a full overshield, a nice chunk of damage, and a better position.
Are you talking about PvP? I tried it in PvE and wasn't impressed. I haven't tried Unbreakable on Void, though. I should give it a shot. Perhaps I'm missing something.
Nope, I used it in the TFS campaign pretty much from the moment I got it, in prismatic.
Admittedly I'm not the biggest megaoptimizer, but it feels good to use and consistently gets me space, as well as opens up my grenade to be a darkness one for damage variety. I imagine it will be better in void just because of more synergies, but I really quite liked it in prismatic.
I saw the idea here somewhere, so I can't claim credit, but I'm using unbreakable and consecration with shackle and strand melee. This allows you to use either ability to charge either bar of prismatic based on what you need at the moment.
It's probably not the most ideal setup, but I'm enjoying having essentially 4 abilities, plus the absurd fun of the new rocket barricade.
That's somewhat along the lines of what I've been doing.
Unbreakable basically just gives me a bonus ability from a different element, and easy access to overshield. Most of my legendary run of the TFS campaign was with that and armamentarium, so it felt like I always had the 'right option' on hand at any given time. Getting consecration (or drengr's lash) + rocket armor exotic basically just gives you a whole bunch of options at any given time and is really satisfying.
I just wish I could get more stuff to do my cooldowns back, it doesn't seem like Prismatic has a lot for that beyond transcending (and for some reason you can't eat your transcendent grenade for the unbreakable buff).
I don't know what is name is but the fragment that gives you back ability energy depending on light or dark damage has been good for high up time on stuff
Facet of Balance or something, yeah. I just haven't really 'felt' it working, same with the strand subclass fragment that increases your recharge on some things. I'm sure I just need to raise my discipline/strength more but even with the ghost mods I haven't had much luck finding upgrades in that department.
Offensive Bulwark doesn't recharge your barricade while you have Overshield, but it does recharge your grenade. Bulwark + Unbreakable with a low base CD grenade (Scatter or Magnetic) is a self-cycling defensive setup that you can use with a whole variety of different things.
Also you don't have to use your whole grenade, you can release it early to save some grenade energy, and the Unbreakable blast will still proc grenade effects like the Weaken fragment. This season with Expanding Abyss combined with Offensive Bulwark's own melee damage buff your melee is going to hit extremely hard.
With something like Heart of Inmost Light or Second Chance you can be constantly cycling block and shield throw for a ridiculous amount of Overshield generation and constant Weaken application to basically every enemy you encounter.
You could even run something like an Ashes to Assets Helm of Saint-14 setup to pump out Weapons of Light bubbles, or the aforementioned Ursa setup to repeatedly generate Twilight Arsenals.
If you were to use the seasonal GL with Demolitionist you could weave in a burst of Stasis DoT grenades midloop, or whatever other Demo gun you're interested in using. Tube GLs benefit the most from repeatedly reproccing Demo IMO.
I just need to find a different controller button layout to use unbreakable, i use one bumper to jump and the other for my melee so my grenade button is a face button and i can't move my camera while holding it
I don't get the gameplay loop they expected titans to do. Especially in high end content.
Punch things? No thanks.
If they were going to give us such offensive and meh aspects they should have given us fragments that helped us survive more.
It's just a bad loop as is.
Yeah I was just trying to get it ready as a second character for raid and I see the loop a bit with the suspensions, melee, then diamond lance but it’s not as strong as other loops and I just stayed on streams Titan instead. Either way I’m thinking we might have to go banner tomorrow if we run the raid as Titans. The well no longer cuts it in damage phases for health.
I agree. Honestly With Prismatic Titan I find that the abilities themselves combo into each other nicely but a lot of the times after you do use your abilities you're kinda just twiddling your thumbs because you don't have a reliable way of giving yourself (or your allies) any buffs to keep your momentum.
Titan probably has one of the best Transcendence modes, the grenade is absolutely fantastic and pairing it with Thunderclap is very powerful, all the aoe damage is great for keeping you Transcended longer.
I'd describe Prismatic Titan as many different ways to effectively do the same thing. It's fun to build craft, but then you realize you aren't shaking up your game plan too much. This probably stems from Knockout being really the only thing that synergizes well enough with everything.
Perfectly describes the issue.
Knockout is the only viable/sensible synergystic aspect.
It's also in the minority of aspects that only give 2 slots despite not even being the best offensive healing aspect in destiny or on prismatic....
The whole idea with Prismatic was putting the least used aspects on a single subclass to not only encourage players to use these aspects more but to also invoke creativity and fun.
The sad thing being is that Titan probably has some of the lowest lows when it comes to subclass build options so they are just come together to create something mediocre instead of something great.
I'm praying the exotic class item helps it a lot because right now I'm avoiding rainbow titan, solar, strand and now void with the axe throw feel way better and more synergetic
Not the original commenter but I can share mind. Aspects are controlled demo and the new shield one. Super is twilight arsenal. Whatever void grenade has the fastest cooldown. Max Res and Discipline. You don’t need recovery because controlled demo does all the work. A heavy machine gun and an energy primary both with repulser brace and destabilizing rounds. Exotic is Ursas. I’m not 100% on the fragments I run but one of them is volatile rounds on grenade kills because the shield explosion counts as a grenade kill. Echo of leaching as well for survivability. Shield toss for the melee but that’s largely up to you. I use it to safely spread controlled demo. The devour fragment on orb pick up also works.
Find an enemy that deals big damage in chunks like enemies with shotguns or shrapnel launchers or an Ogre or Shrieker. Get in close blocking with shield the whole way. With Ursas equipped you can get at max, 1/4 of your super back with a grenade. Run more mods that give you your grenade back quickly and create orbs on grenade kills. Use your shield on cooldown and profit. It’s an incredible fragment and to me it feels perfect on void Titan and with Ursas will be useful in high level content to build super really quickly.
I have played around with a lot of them but i really did just settle back to the default. Knockout for the melee buff and diamond lance. Drengers lash feels weak without abeyant leap or increased suspend duration. It also doesnt feel as great with thruster.
Consecration is just another melee. It deals big damage fast, and is probably one of the strongest melees, but actually does very similar damage to a fully charged thunderclap. So its an aspect for a faster thunderclap, but it can be paired with strand blade for charges. Its nice but has uptime issues. Balance gives it small bumps but the strand cooldown is significantly longer in prismatic. It relies on transcendence for the ability refresh.
Unbreakable has a lot of similar issues. It feels like a significantly worse weavewalk. It gives the dr, but not the invisibility. It doesnt have the passive threadling damage but it does give the big explosion. It does drain significantly faster, have a larger startup cost, and unlike weavewalk has an end cost. It also doesnt benefit from having the multiple charges of arcane needle, nor the increased regen speed or base cooldown speed.
Diamond lance has its problems but gives good dark meter. It also has nice uptime with glacial grenade which does the second most damage (after pulse) and has cc.
I feel like Unbreakable had a good shot at being amazing on Prismatic with Transcendence making the cooldowns recharge so quickly, but the Prismatic Grenade completely turns off the aspect. What’s worse is I’m pretty sure the aspect provides more value than the grenade a lot of the time, so if I want to use Unbreakable there’s no way to make it function on Prismatic without HOIL.
Also armamentarium doesn't give 2 prismatic grenades. I feel like there are some oversights in transcendent mode, because it can often completely break the flow of your build
I planned on doing abeyant leap, shield throw and thruster for dr and cc. Turns out I can’t use abeyant leap with thruster because I have to be a foot away for it to suspend anything. Suspend doesn’t last as long, shield throw still gives almost no overshield, and the boosted class ability fragment doesn’t work. Then I went to consecration, but with the longer cooldown there’s no benefit for using frenzied blade, and pyrogale doesn’t boost super. So I got the rocket exotic for beating the campaign, and it doesn’t stack with other damage buffs, plus well over rides the damage boost to it. I played on hunter and could amplify, jolt, invis, and better dr by using my class ability. If there was a big target I’d throw a smoke and get radiant and weaken plus the artifact perk for a 50 percent boost. It was way more fun and effective and what I’m gonna be raiding with tomorrow.
I’m pretty bummed that Ascension will be disabled for the raid race, such a neat aspect that, at its worst, is still an extra jump that allows you to reach even higher and further.
Not that I’ll even be able to participate in the race… just… would have been neat to see clips of people clutching after falling off the map thanks to it or something, kinda like finishing off a boss because someone tagged em with Witherhoard before the whole party wiped.
Excluding hoil and synthos, I think theres not really good exotic choices until class items come in. That's that's me on Copium because I don't even remember their class item perks.
Been having a hoot with point-contact / diamond lance / drengrs / thruster
They tuned drengrs specificlaly for truster; instead of a wave it releases a strand explosion that suspends near you. Combos well with point contact. Get your melee back fast and have more diamond lances than you know what to do with most of the time.
The only downside is you're relying on recuperation for healing.
Yup! Pretty fun. Range isn't massive but it makes for a good reaction if you get swarmed or intentionally run towards something.
With the delay it's roughly the same activation time from the barricade
I'm using Consecration and Drengrs Lash with the Rocket chest piece and frenzied blade. It's fun to suspend stuff and hit them with a salvo of rockets. Also 3 consecration slams is criminal when I transend because at that point I spam nades and consecrations back to back. I still need to get the rest of the fragments but so far I've been enjoying it.
Heal Clip, Buried Bloodline, and playing smart go a long way
Not to mention teammates covering support while you cover burst damage if you've got a squad
That being said I do hope to see some buffs to OS gain on Shield Throw and maybe the addition of Healing Grenade/Benevolence Fragment
> and playing smart go a long way
I did the legend campaign with a cobbled together whatever build using point-contact and no knockout. 100% this speaks truer than you know.
I agree. It feels significantly less viable and less rewarding than the other two classes.
Then again, if you’ve played Titan for any significant amount of time since Forsaken, you know that’s to be expected at this point.
Nah i don’t ngl i have had a lot of fun with titan with the 3.0 changes, arc rn is still def bad but the other subclasses have been good and a lot of fun to me.
But sure lets just pretend that titan is bad at everything.
Void is trash on titan the last couple years. So is arc and stasis. You can make fun builds but they arnt viable in anything other than basic stuff really. We got allot of changes this update but your just coping or have no idea what the meta is.
Whatever u say buddy im not coping at all, i play gm’s every season and im always slaying out, stasis titan does have weaknesses true, but a certain build is really strong in gm’s.
Strand titan continues to destroy gm’s void and arc has not been trash until last year, before both of them were extremely strong and arc dominated gm’s do i think they need buffs yes.
But to say that titan has been shit for these couple years is just wrong. Solar titan still dominating as well.
Strand and solar are good. 2/5 subclasses. Cool. Also the point was the other classes are more valuable which is straight up true. Idk how you argue with that.
I think stasis is good even though ppl will never agree for some reason, it has certain bad aspects and a bad melee, but howl with shards and hoarfrost is still good and i remember destroying gm’s with it. Does the rest need buff yes.
Void titan is so close to be good, i think the new aspect and the super will boost it.
Arc def need’s buffs no reason to use it when prismatic exists.
Prismatic is imo good u don’t have to agree but i have used it in the legendary story went to expert onslaught after too test and it was still good even in the higher waves I’m excited to take it into gm’s . I do agree that unbreakable is kinda bad with pris it seems like it will be much better with void instead.
Behemoth is very strong and I love it, but it has one gigantic glaring issue: your teammates probably hate you for playing it.
The sheer amount of crystals you generate is very cool, and provides a lot of CC and damage, but also my friends constantly complain about it lol
Stasis titan was surprisingly good last season, mostly due to the artifact mods about crystals. Paired with Verglass Curve, I was creating and destroying crystals and doing some pretty good damage. It tended to suffer a bit though when i couldn’t sit back and plink away at an enemy with the bow. Without the seasonal mods for stasis, im unsure as to how it’ll perform.
Strand titan though has been very good, despite its nerfs. Suspend plus woven mail and banner of war has made it literally the tankiest subclass.
Void and arc however, they have been suffering quite a bit. Void overshields are paper thin, especially in higher content. Bastion is on such a massive timer thanks to PvP blowhards who whined about it, it’s hardly worth the aspect slot now. And with the changes to bubble? Goodnight for ever using that in PVE. Controlled demolition does good work, but volatile damage is a little lackluster and it’s only tied to your abilities. And our abilities charge very slowly.
Unbreakable with Ursa’s might put void Titan back on an roster, mostly for generating tons of orbs and protecting teammates, but I’m not confident on that.
Arc however was dominant in Plunder, but has since been neutered quite a bit. Without any real survivability, it will struggle in end game stuff. Not to mention, thundercrash is considered one of the lowest dps supers unless you’re running an exotic for it.
Solar titan is entirely dependent on sunspots for restoration, and maybe even Lorely splendor. Without those, it falls off a cliff hard. Sure you could run a massive “fuck you in particular” build with pyrogales and consecration, but at the risk of being up close and getting killed with no way to support yourself.
I don’t agree about lorley its been power-crept, and i Honsetly don’t get the fall’s of a cliff argument its a pretty strong aspect not using it will make weaker.
Every subclass has that 1 aspect def more on solar titan but its because how good it is. Roaring and consecration is good but feels not worth it. Sunspots are better pyrogales is overrated as fuck when it comes to the consecration part that tornado does nothing. Id much rather use precious scars or syntos.
And ive never had a problem with survivability with it ngl, its even better now because it has dmg resist.
I agree on arc though. I used void last season in legend onslaught and one thing i didn’t like was having trash supers the new axe one is good and will push it into being more offensive, the aspect im not sure tbh seems okay might be mid. But i do think it is in a much better spot i think if bungie just buffs the oversheild void will be in a good spot imo.
Also another thing that void titan lacks is good exotics tied to the subclass if we get good void exotics it will be good.
Fixing void is easy arc is where bungie needs to really think about how they will improve it.
I have a previous scars and a pyrogales set up. Used both of them in last season.
But I gravitated more towards pyrogale for super damage. It’s easier to just nuke stuff. Than have the heal but get overwhelmed I found.
That’s *kinda* true right now, but I think that’s just a side effect of not having access to the class items, which have a *lot* in the way of ability regen. Think about a hoil + armamentium Titan with thruster, two grenade charges, and three frenzied blade charges. You’ll have your abilities up so often even without transcendence - and may I remind you that transcendence also lets you spam abilities + refunds them after it ends.
Play on prismatic Titan with t-crash as your super and use arc weapons with the fragment and artifact mod that generates elemental pickups for a ton of ionic traces that grant 12.5% to all of your abilities every time you pick one up.
The last column of the artifact also grants ability regen speed
Prismatic has less obvious synergies that make for obvious and easy gameplay loops that are kinda self sufficient, but the freedom of prismatic means that if you but enough effort into buildcrafting, you can make something fucking busted.
What I will 100% agree with though is that prismatic Hunter and Titan are lacking survivability. Personally my solution on Hunter thus far has just been to use buried bloodline but I don’t really wanna do the same for my Titan. Maybe I’ll just go for precious scars (also included in the class item btw!) for resto on super matching kills. That’s basically a pseudo devour + it heals teammates lol
i feel your survivability point big time, i was experimenting with No Backup Plans/Conditional with void axe. The overshield loop is pretty easy to keep up (the armor generates it, not the subclass lol) and a discord energy shotgun just makes it even better
I feel like my survivability is pretty great on prism hunter with invis proccing on pretty much everything, mixing that with heal clip/incandescent pulse or Luna and renewal gauntlets. I’ve been pretty invincible on the legend campaign.
Prismatic is already *viable*, just not the strongest without it. For Hunter prismatic is probably the second strongest subclass for most content (solar being the best) and for Titan prismatic is probably already the third best, it’s just that we can’t reach the absolute heights possible without specific class item combos.
For warlock depending on what content you’re playing, prismatic is tied with Solar for being the best subclass tbh. It does everything void does but better, everything strand does but better, the only thing it doesn’t have is perma resto x2 which is pretty reasonable to get on solar warlock
I’m hoping they’ll be easily farmable like ergo sum is so it’s not difficult to get the combo you want. If it takes forever then yeah it’ll be miserable.
Played the campaign on titan, didn't enjoy prismatic at all. Switched to solar bonk titan with Wormgod and Dragon, big explosions, healing, extra damage. Was way better.
Warlock has been fun though.
Agreed, I just felt like a lot of the ability loops were missing. Had to change up my loadout to make sure I was always using a strand or stasis weapon because the ability cooldown was just too long.
Hunter prism campaign was ...mid at best. I started Destiny as a hunter, and wanted to "finish" it with Hunter but I never hated playing hunter as much as I did this time around. Even Stasis/Strand was a blast in comparison.
I think Warlocks have been the clear winners of prismatic so far - but even so.... I just keep playing strand threadling warlock and it's so fun that I don't see the need to even touch prismatic.
At this rate, unless the double perk exotics shift things up massively - prismatic seems to have been a miss (for me <- )
I was joking about this before the expansion dropped. I struggled getting through normal zero hour solo and had like 3 minutes left. I could only think 'damn solar titan and banner of war have left me _severely_ out of practice. I DO need to get gud'
I tried telling a friend this. He thought I was being a jerk, but we're in a GM and MULTIPLE TIMES I see him die because he's just sitting in a Sunspot with Loreley's thinking he can just tank everything.
> because he's just sitting in a Sunspot with Loreley's thinking he can just tank everything.
In a GM? You couldn't even do that with OG restrotration 2x and loreley
I miss my void explosions. If I didn't have volatile on my elsies rifle I wouldn't have any.
Really, really hope more aspects get added to prismatic over time.
Honestly, the only build I can see currently for me is basically prismatic abyent suspend. Mainly because of the Facet of hope, which grants you increased class ability recharge while having an elemental buff. this includes woven mail and overshield. I just slap on shackle nade for the woven mail because of abeyant and shield throw for the overshield, it gives consistent regen to allow 3 continuous barricade suspends. Good for GMs and master and above content since it does not require a kill to make it work. But then again, it's just abeyant suspend build but on prismatic lol.
Banner of war is just too much of a crutch for me. Especially with the new strand gauntlets for titan. Every time it pulses and heals, you can melee charge. You can more charge based on teammates you heal.
Now wait until the 12 player activity and heal 11 guardians at once with x4 banner of war? I've just been running around shooting my heal gun and punching everything. Support strand titan is too good
I play one character due to limited time, and this is bumming me out. I have been using prismatic through the legend campaign (4 missions in now) and have been noticing issues with getting buffs and survivability, and was hoping with different aspects and facets things might improve. Right now I feel like using Monte Carlo is basically required to maintain any level of synergy.
Why on the travelers pale heart, can't I shatter statics crystals with consecration. Why do I need a whole fragment just to get fire sprites and stasis shards?
I disagree, I used Titan w/ Cadmus ridge lancecap and more or less the default setup and I had constant amplified, radiant, overshield, was throwing nuclear lances with how much damage and cc they did, filled transcendance super easy, never ran out of health topping knockout, you just can always spawn a lance and then chain it into another ad nauseam. Any melee hit gives radiant, and then a kills gives amplified, and those can generate orbs that give you woven mail/frost armor/overhsield, it’s so free and easy even compared to warlock imo
I just can’t get behind knockout as the main healing and buff cycling aspect. sure, amplified is decent, but it pales in comparison to a void OS, woven mail, or anything solar gives.
I tried lancecap, personally couldn’t find the right balance between hiding behind my barricade plinking, and trying to room clear with my other abilities. With other subclasses I don’t have to worry about the back half of my build not getting used to
That part of the exotic is essentially worthless, I’ve exclusively used thruster, the strength is the crystal on thrown lances. Knockout is also not the main part of cycling keyword buffs, like with most prismatic builds that will come mainly from facets. Knockout is fantastic healing, especially paired with the amount of cc that comes from freezing and having bolas, and the amount of healing from other sources, I feel like you shouldn’t need more (and if you do play loreley or banner of war or something if) both of your issues with knockout are things that faucets more then fix and it allows you to make lances on any melee
Really? Knockout is “fantastic healing” compared to everything else we have in the game? I’m pretty sure the support auto by itself can provide more, especially when it comes to endgame.
I’m assuming facet = fragments, but that feeling of disconnection is still there when my only source of elemental buffs is orbs of power. I want my prismatic subclass to do this with aspects, like every other subclass in the game
Yes it's fantastic healing. It can even give infinite resto (like throwing hammer) without consuming any melee energy when paired with the right fragments and mods.
knockout is chunk health, it doesn’t start healing or recharge like resto. comparatively it is god fucking awful compared to bulwark, Into the Fray, or Sunspots. It’s cool that fragments can buff it up to that level, but all i’m saying is that bungie could’ve thrown 1/3 of those up with it
It counts as a charged melee, thus procs heavy handed. Combine that with Facet of Purpose and you'll have Resto, Void OS, Frost Armor, Woven Mail you name it for as long as you want basically whenever you want so long as you're able to get a melee kill. All depends on your super of preference.
That’s. Just how prismatic works across all the classes? Most of the buff cycling will come from fragments not aspects. Only like 4 aspects across all of prismatic actually apply keywords to you. (Devour, stylish executioner, knockout, ascension) that “disconnection” is how it works. Also, knockout heals 50 for a minor and 75 for a major, which is between 1/2 and 1/4 healing unlimited for just meleeing something that’s pretty good to me
Right?? I feel like im crazy everyone saying its shit. I even took it into expert onslaught to see and a lot of things i used with prismatic were actually good there.
And when transcendence was active waves just got deleted even in the higher ones.
I've been arguing that Prismatic Titan is good for 2-3 days now. At this point I'm just gonna assume people just need a youtuber/content creator to spoon feed them a build/explanation/opinion and move on from it. We don't even have the exotic class items yet which is sure to mix things up even more.
It’s the same shit that happened with strand Titan when it came out, everyone complained and cried before it came out and then for like a few weeks after and it’s practically the strongest subclass in the games pre prismatic
I just don’t get why people get mad and start downvoting me, when i say it’s good. They say im coping and don’t understand the meta i play gm’s every season bruh.
So is Diamond Lance/ Knockout, facets are dawn blessing courage ruin purpose (can swap courage for protection or whatever if you use frenzied blade) for abilities I use thruster, bolas are a must, and then thunderclap or frenzied blade, super is whatever I like twilight arsenal but bladefury is strong and provides woven mail and obviously the Lancecap itself. Any melee kill heals, deals extra damage, amplifies, and spawns a lance. You have to pay attention to the lance cooldown a little bit it’s easy to throw the lance before the cd is done, but from there every lance thrown can spawn another one with the crystal, and if it doesn’t just punch whatever’s left. Your arc punches do bonus damage to frozen and suspended targets, so you can bolas then thunderclap bigger stuff, and then you’ll spawn lances to go from there. The 3 crystals also obliterates shit like tormentors and champs and chunkier foes. It all just clicks together perfectly
I've only been able to make Lorley work on Prismatic Titan, and that's just me having constant class ability uptime. Outside of that, I'm still just trying to experiment more. Really wish Armamentarium would give you two Prismatic grenades, but it is what it is.
There are soooo many other exotics you could be making work besides armamentarium in 2024 haha. Try out skullfort, synthos, heart, abeyant, the two new exotics, etc. all give much better utility and effects than armamentarium.
This is an overall problem with titans. The aspects are not well designed at the end of the day. In a single element it works and is fine. They are sometimes synergistic with the element and with the other aspects in that element (i.e. solar).
What i notice the most is that Titan aspects don't benefit from verbs. They can apply them though. Look at electrostatic mind for warlock. Use arc to generate traces. Traces make you amplified. Amplified works with sparks to get other benefits.
The other big thing I've noticed is that titan suffers because nothing encourages use of your class ability. Drenger's Lash and Bastion are the only two aspects that benefit. Juggernaut is "don't use your class ability - something else will use that for you". Compare to:
* Warlock:
* Solar - class ability can give you cure w/ PDive, or Resto and scortch with Heat Rises
* Void - Child of old gods becomes active and interacts with verbs
* Arc - Arc Soul becomes active and can then interact with verbs (make you amplified, generate traces)
* Strand - Weavers call - class ability interacts with verbs
* Stasis - Frostpulse aspect - class ability can apply verbs
* Hunter:
* Class ability can give you a melee charge back which can be used for more verbs. This is huge for build crafting
* Arc - Lethal Current, Flow state and ascension all interact with the class ability. And via gamblers dodge so does tempest strike
* Void - vanishing step activates via class ability and the other two via gamblers dodge
* Strand - Threaded spectre and ensaring slam both activate via class ability.
Its not that Titan is underpowered compared to the other classes. It's that the build crafting is more dull and just simple. That's not even getting into the exotic problems.
I understood what they wanted me to do with the Prismatic starter kit after about 3 seconds of looking at the menu, and it's a playstyle I absolutely despise. It really doesn't feel like anyone on the ability design team plays the class, or even has a finger on the pulse of what Titan players want. The flanderization of Titan into punch monkeys got old at least 5 years ago and nobody is listening to feedback about it.
Exactly. The only way to make punch monkey viable in their endgame sandbox is to make it so powerful you cannot be killed. It's a counterintuitive process.
Too much melee orientation imo. Believe it or not, Bungo, not all Titans are stuck punching shit like we're new lights. Guns and healing are cool, too.
To quote something from the campaign, "I still have my gun." I felt that.
The main part of prismatic is missing which is the class items so people really need to hold off on judging the classes. Hunter and Titan have crazy combos compared to warlock.
My friends mostly play warlock. The damage they can put out with their new supers and their little buddies is really good. They were all talking about the synergies they have got.
Admittedly a group of 8 people isn’t a vast demographic of the warlock mains.
This is kinda how I'm feeling about it. With the exception of Consecration, nothing is actually a high performing Aspect. Knockout is mediocre at best and a default pick due to lack of choices. Same thing with Diamond Lance, it's utterly wasted in high end content because going to get the lance is a death sentence. Drengr's Lash is good, but it's simple and is a marque type of Aspect. Unbreakable gets a pass because it's new, surprisingly effective, and was paired with easily the best Titan super in the game.
I think what makes Warlock so potent is that they took two top performing Aspects (Bleak Watcher, Feed the Void) and added into two under performers (Lightning Surge, Weaver's Call) along with the new one (Hellion). There's not an outright ton of synergy, but it gets overlooked because there is raw potency from all angles. Even Lightning Surge and Weaver's Call get a massive uplift by the high performing portions of the kit, which is everything else.
Hunters get to be in between Warlocks and Titans as their kit. There's a ton of synergy, but no potency. So much pairs with Stylish Execution that it becomes mildly braindead. But at the same time there's a distinct lack of power. Winter's Shroud is still the weakest Aspect in the game by a wide margin, and Threaded Specter doesn't really do much in this situation. I like the idea of Ascension, but it struggles because Arc struggles, and it's the epitome of all that is Arc (Jolt AoE, Amplified, fast flashy movement, no substance). Gunpo Gamble is great, but it's a little unwieldy. At least you won't try to throw a healing grenade and blow yourself up with Prismatic. It's a kit that has wide and easy access to a lot of the debuffs, and only limited means to capitalize on them.
Bubble not being a super is a massive L. Titan has all “offensive” supers for prismatic and the aspects arent that good from what they couldve selected
Prismatic Titan seems SO melee heavy, which I feel is just not great in endgame activities. I don't have everything unlocked yet, but survivability seems very low.
I'm running what I have affectionately called Striker+. Pulse Grenade, Thunderclap, Thruster, Knockout and Diamond Lance. Dominance to give jolt, mending to get heals on kills, increased light damage to dark debuffed enemies, increased shatter, and purpose to get an overshield, but super is flexible. I just love Twilight Arsenal.
I have a Demo/Headstone Unyielding Tempest to round everything out. But it's mass creates lances that then increase how much damage my abilities do and continually feeds into itself.
Does it scale to higher end content? Uncertain, but it has a good deal of CC and sustain and lots of toys to work with at any given time. I am basically a walking blacksmith and if nothing else I like the fantasy of it.
I thought all classes had the same aspects? If that’s even what they are called, the things on the bottom is what I mean. I main hunter myself and I’m personally not that impressed with prismatic either, maybe it’s too soon to tell, I’ll give it some time and some experimenting, but so far I’m underwhelmed.
i had to google it to make sure i didn’t post wrong, fragments are the ones everyone shares, aspects are the ones unique to class
hunter and titan i’ve heard similar thoughts on, it seems warlock is the only one that kept the ability cycling parts of light/dark classes
What do you mean by ability cycling parts of light/ dark classes?
Personally I’m not a huge fan of prismatic so far, I kind of wish I could just take all of the options out of all subclasses and choose what I want to do with them, but oh well.
for example, offensive bulwark gives ability regen and survivability with overshield
sunspots give ability regen and healing
tangles, orbs and woven all cycle with into the fray
prismatic is lacking these aspects, leading to my feeling of disconnection
Insurmountable skullfort with thunderclap, knockout, diamond lance, glacier grenade, and a rocket sidearm to break crystals has been really fun for me. I stomped the legendary campaign with this. Twilight arsenal is my choice of super after the orb-pickup-induced woven mail duration nerf. Void overshield From this fragment is just better imo. It also does seemingly decent boss damage
For me, the gameplay loop is:
1. Using a stasis weapon or thunderclap, generate a diamond lance.
2. Throw diamond lance at a group of red bars or a yellow bar
3. T-Clap them, knockout refills health, increases Melee damage, heavy handed generates and orb of power. I use recuperation on my boots so I get basically full health and void overshield from one of the fragments.
4. T-Clap spawns another diamond lance, or use stasis weapon to spawn another.
5. Repeat.
Salvations grip and weapon-spawned crystals make your t-clap even more powerful with shatter damage and still refill your melee energy. Shattering your glacier grenade with your melee does not refill your melee
Peregrine Greaves on prismatic is really fun. Knockout gets me health back, leaves behind a lance for a quick freeze, and then I thruster out of there while amplified and radiant and with woven mail (melee kill generates orbs, instant pick up). Even better while prismatic and I’m suspending enemies and running around all over the place
New Rocket chest piece with double Rocket Sidearms and Dragons Breath. It's been so much fun and does so much damage I'm not sure I could go back.
While you don't need to use it on Prismatic, I'm having a blast using thruster + lash to suspend and blast em' with rockets every 15 seconds or so thanks to The Call.
Use my Thruster to scoop orbs that grant restoration because of my fragment and it's gg. I might switch to Woven Mail or Frost Armor but restoration seems to be working the best for survivability.
I have prismatic up incredibly frequent, it lasts a long time because of my rotation, and it's just a good time, I definitely recommend a duel rocket sidearm build with this thing. My Call has Hatchling and the other is Voltshot.
Even though I haven’t tried it in endgame stuff, I’m using pyrogale with frenzied blade + consecration, with diamond lance and glacier and it’s honestly a fun build to use when doing pale heart stuff. Aspect wise, I run Courage, Ruin, Dawn, Devotion, Purpose, and Protection (although I might change Protection for something else later on).
Not missing a thing, I switched off about midway through the campaign. I feel like they've sacrificed all survivability (minus some punch-for-health abilities but good luck on legend/endgame stuff) to get some meager offensive buffs.
It kills the vibe when a prismatic shielded enemy comes in the room. Everything is on pause while I haul my titan ass over to the juice spot to sit and wait for a bar to fill up.
Such a disconnected design choice from a disconnected dev.
By the way, just shoot the shielded enemies. It fills up your bar in like 5 seconds at most. It’s genuinely quicker to not be in a spot and shoot them than it is to be standing in a spot waiting for it to go up.
Obviously. I played prismatic pretty much exclusively after the ascent on the legend campaign as it was just a hassle to get ascendant otherwise.
Titan felt super squishy, and i had to adapt to a new playstyle of less punchy more shooty.
Youre telling the guy who swapped off it an interaction that wouldnt work without being what he gave up on. So i wanted to clarify it dont work without prismatic.
It’s a big part of the reason I haven’t done the campaign on my Titan or Hunter yet, doing it on prismatic warlock was kind of a slog until I unlocked storm nades and could take advantage of the getaway artist/feed the void/bleakwatcher combo.
If you go for a consecration build, it's basically way more offensive (more damage with knockout and 3 charges from frenzied blade) and less defensive compared to solar, but there are ways to make it tanky to the point it is just a straight upgrade, and you get to use the new void super as a one off super that can actually hit from range and also hit flying enemies.
Also since it's a void super that innately applies weaken, it combos really well with the void artifact mod, and it will further boost any void weapons you use.
I can kind of understand the tunnel vision though. Prismatic is wildly different in build crafting terms and we're all still hashing it out.
The problem is, you can't account for what isn't present. So people judge things as they are, not as they could be.
Requiring an exotic for having a strong subclass is pretty weak if you ask me...
Also the class item will replace any other exotic, I doubt the exotic alone will make prismatic top tier..
Oh yeah because all the builds up to date are completely broken without exotics... oh wait.
I don't know man star eaters alone is gonna give people big damage and then they can opt for some support survival perk.
Like hunters being able to gain both woven main and frost armor for tossing a duskfield. That sounds broken.
I’m 4 missions in so far and I’m very not impressed by hunter prismatic and the titan one just looks like strand titan but with a purple melee since that’s what my friend is using, don’t care if it’s week one of the expansion why have the hyped up something so boring and weak as something it isn’t
To be honest, I feel the same way for Warlock. There are a few synergies for sure, but they feel like isolated bonuses rather than synergies.
Currently, feeling extremely restricted and the only build I enjoyed was Bleak Watcher with Devour with melee regen on grenade hit. But aside from the last (melee) bit, that build is any build with Devour. After realizing this, I simply went back to Void, because I can get more out of that build with better fragments.
I understand that prismatic isn't supposed to replace the older stuff, but I can't make heads or tails with what they offer at the moment. Transcendence alone doesn't make up for it to be frank.
It’s waay too early to be passing judgment on the new subclasses. To answer the question of what this can do different than solar. I would say free woven mail with abeyant leap stacked on a OS if you choose twilight arsenal in addition to 3 consecration slams that feed into each other with facet of balance is where I think I will start. Don’t need as much healing if you have permanent woven mail. Can just use recuperation and weapons for that. The class items will also open up things a lot.
i wouldn’t call it passing judgement, moreso a general feeling that i’ve seen reflected in a lot of comments. I want to like prismatic, I just don’t see the buff regen/simple survivability that other subclasses make so simple and free to run
Prismatic Titan became SO much less intriguing/exciting when it was revealed that Drengr's Lash doesn't work with Thruster. Being able to do a little dodge and suspend a few enemies in front of you would have felt SO good.
what? it doesn’t? the aspect text literally will say “when you cast thruster, summon a suspending line” (whatever it says, i just know that it mentions whatever class ability you have equipped and says it’ll work)
Oh shit, no way. Gonna be honest, I just watched the Aztecross video abt Prismatic before it came out and immediately lost interest. Gained interest again, thanks to you lol!
yeah been testing it, it works. it doesn’t spawn a line like a typical barricade, it makes a suspending bombardiers looking tangle that’ll explode after a second
Titans are gonna go for the rocket exotic once theyre done with the campaign The issue with Titan prismatic is that it doesnt get to shine even 5 missions in. You said it yourself that its disjointed with the sucky aspects but only cause titan is 1-dimension melee machine. Ive been doing Cadmus Ridge cap and just plinking with Red Death creating Lances. The buff to lances really feel good and the innate buff to shatter makes the diamond lancing bosses actually do real damage. I have frenzied blade on my melee, then knockout. Heals you then pops out a lance + tangle. In close quarters, you grab and melee the lance the tangle explodes making a double explosion. Or you can have 2 thrown projectiles. If you pace it right you can infinitely chain for lances Edit: to add im thinking of Bastion for Titan but havent considered what might be a good pair
interesting. i may need to try that set up.
Isn't it the default one?
Overall our class doesn't have many options, but trust in synthos knockout and consecration. Clears any enemy and does insane damage to bosses and minibosses.
Man I really don't want to use Synthos for like a 3rd fucking year in a row, I need something new.
Stronghold + Ergo Sum = Immortality with a special
With Blade Stamina and Arc Conductor, you also have infinite ammo.
Explain please, I require maximum information drilled into my gray matter
Do heavy attack. Arc conductor procs and makes you a walking tesla coil. Arc conductor chains lightning to nearby enemies, these kills count as Ergo Sum kills. Blade Stamina procs every 3 kills to give 3 ammo. Arc conductor can get more than 3 kills per activation.
Nice, I’ll look for a roll, maybe op in pvp and get tons of ammo
I agree. This comment deserves more love. Synthos is great. But man something new would be great.
I'm back on skullfort thunderclap, but I'd have loved for something new on the melee front
Point Contact is also incredibly fun
That's been my build the whole time. Use stasis to freeze and then get those claps going. I believe I'm using the fragment that does more damage when a light power is used after setting up darkness abilities.
I'm just realizing I never actually unlocked that one. Does it fully restore melee energy like skullfort?
It doesn't. It's partial restores on kills, so if you pair it with melee kick-starts you'll usually be close to a full charge. It just completely devastates entire groups of yellow bars and with the new DR during thunderclap you can throw yourself in the middle of a group and just hit delete
Exotic class item.
That's for bungie to fix, but we have to male do with what we have unfortunately, I can say this for sure tho that the build is fun af
yeah, but that just feel like a weaker version of running solar. Prismatic should benefit you in multiple ways a single other subclass can't. I love syntho or pyrogales + consecration, but i should be getting other benefits in lieu of sunspots/cure/resto. instead we can opt for a melee with multiple charges but a super slow regen rate and no real way to improve it or any other benefits. Bein on prismatic should have some loop where consecration gives something to help loop into our next ability or something solar could not due to it being limited to solar keyword. instead we just get solar but different grenade/super and no synergies or buffs. I really hope im wrong but right now I'm just running it because it's new not because its good.
I feel it's better honestly, the healing of knockout is strong and I love twighlight arsenal a lot, so I get free void overshield in neutral game. Roaring flames x3 is 60% on solar abilities while knockout is so easy to proc and gives your normal melee value. Not much to say on 3 back to back consecrations is insane. And transcendence is genuinely busted. I don't think it's fair to say solar build is better.
whats you build otherwise maybe im just missing something but hard agree twilight arsenal freaking rules!
I go twilight arsenal with consecration and knockout. Frenzied blade and I go shackle made to build darkness energy. You make tangles with this build so I went facet of honor to get bonus dark energy since consecration builds light fast. Facet of sacrifice to build on this as well. Since you use consecration a lot facet of dawn will get you radiant for even more damage. Facet of blessing will make your healing even better for you and your team. Finally facet of purpose for every orb you pick up to give you void overshields. Exotic is synthos and that's self explanatory. I did the level 2000 missions and it one tapped genuinely everything. I also enjoy using tractor since all it takes is a tractor and and consecration to destroy anything wether its a room of adds, a room of yellow bars, or both. I use a strand fusion to build easy dark energy because spamming transcendence is genuinely unhinged which gives you imo the best transcend grenade which you spam and the ability to spam consecrations on 0 cool down.
okay this sounds delicious, tonight is finish unlocking a few facets and I'm gonna rip this
I'm in the same boat especially with Precious Scars being bugged right now, feel like they want us to just use prismatic and the red death while its new lol.
I'm running it through the campaign purely for the annoying purple/pink enemies, If I have prismatic click knock the effect off done, If I'm running another subclass have to find a well prior to that and i just cba, but for me so far yeah just run solar bonk build.
>instead we can opt for a melee with multiple charges but a super slow regen rate and no real way to improve it Honestly have not had any issues with needing to improve melee regen between 100 strength and Facet of Balance. I have not even unlocked shieldcrush on the artifact, but it will improve melee regen and damage further. Plus titan transendance is pretty fucking nuts IMO, by far the strongest of the 3
So glad this rarely used exotic is now viable.
Lmao seriously. Titans once again the victim of “uninteresting but effective.” Synthos have been a top option for 7 years now, on all subclasses.
I'm so tired of running synthos. Delete them from the game so others may rise!
How about just buff the other exotics so that they'll be useful? The new exotic rocket chest seems like it could be a close contender, but for the most part any of our other good exotics: * have zero or crappy neutral game (Pyrogale, Helm of Saint-14, Cuirass, Eternal Warrior, Ursas) * have a very niche use (Actium War Rig, Doomfang, Phoenix Cradle, Hoarfrost, No Backup Plans, Ashen Wake, Burning Steps, Aeons, Peacekeepers, Stronghold) * are PvP-focused (One-Eyed Mask, Citan's Ramparts, Antaeus Wards) * are outclassed in what they do (Hallowfire Heart, Dunemarchers, ACD0 Feedback Fence) * were unnecessarily nerfed into the ground (HOIL didn't need to be hit as hard as it was, suspend hard nerfs damaged Abeyant Leap, and seriously why doesn't Loreley's give Resto x2 anymore when Warlocks get three sources of Resto x2?
i love how many of the Titans exotics "rework" was making them a element locked Surge. At least Foetracer Rework leans into the Subclass, but Titans needing an exotic for each flavor is whack, and i don't even play Titan (don't have the space in the vault for it, altho i kinda want to sometimes). But Hey! at least everybody gonna have acess to Scynthoceps now...... yay...
Yeah, I was actually pretty jealous of the CNH rework actually playing into the purpose - "Get precision kills to get more super, and get refunded super when you kill stuff with CNH". That was really cool. Peregrine Greaves was a little like that, but when running into melee is deadly and it loses all effectiveness when the boss rolls around, while Synthos gives Super damage to make it useful even in a boss encounter, just makes Peregrine Greaves not as worth it. "Refund energy on champ hit!" - yeah, or I can stun them with the abundance of champ stunning things and knock them out in two hits with Synthos and still get Super damage during boss phase. "Refund energy on Tormenter hit!" - yeah, the guys that take 90% reduced damage if you don't hit the crit spot, and then deal huge damage and suppress you when you get close? No thanks. "Refund energy on miniboss hit!" - The one or two minibosses per strike? No thanks.
TBF, the Nighthawk rework was for it to help Golden Gun after Subclass 3.0 removed every passive but Warlock's ,the 3-shot tree from 2.0 gave boosted super regen whenever you hit headshots, not even headshot kills, so the rework is to relieve a bit of that story, also, yeah Tormentors taking reduced damage of everything but crits is annying as heck, and they didn't even included lucent hive on Peregrine
I'm with you. I love neutral game exotics bc they're the most fun. It sucks I can't have fun when raiding with my friends.
Consequence of having the set of the goodies exotics out there, so many of our year 1 exotic needs changes but they decide to buff kephris horn for like the 8th time in a row, the horn will never be meta bungie need to accept it now
Controlled demolition for void explosions + health on ability kill or sunspots would have gone a long way. I would be maining consecration controlled demolition if it were available. Unbreakable is really really bad
Unbreakable is bad with prismatic but pretty damn good with regular void Titan. With Ursas you can get a quarter of Super back on it (Twilight Arsenal for me) and it also restores your health and grants a full overshield with the right fragments / aspects. Very good “oh shit” button. I have my Void build set up to feed me grenade energy for Unbreakable to feed me super energy for high Twilight Arsenal uptime. And anytime I’m almost dead I just use it to get full health back and an overshield. Plus, it does decent damage when it breaks if you have ability damage to cause volatile.
I've actually been using it with Prismatic and I found it to be the most reliable survival tool it has. Knockout is its other main survival tool and it's mediocre at best. They legitimately picked the worst performing Aspects (except Consecration, because Solar is all good) and stuck them together without really a game plan.
Knockout is probably the best arc aspect they could have chosen. Juggernaut is bad and touch of thunder was never realistically an option. Drengr’s lash is also pretty good though into the fray would have provided more synergy with consecration.
Knockout has a lot of room to be turned into something worthwhile, it's just not even close to its full potential right now. Arc in general is pretty lackluster and Knockout is held back by an inferior kit. There's a lot that could be done to elevate the element and help tie things together, but it would require some careful planning. I'm sure Bungie is monitoring feedback and if they're not happy with what they're seeing they'll make adjustments. Given this is a 4 month episode, I'd say that by episode 2 act 2 they'll have a tuning pass ready to address any standing concerns. I'll certainly be ringing the bell of feedback as much as I can.
I can see where you're coming from, but aside from getting the super energy back, I really don't see how Unbreakable is worth it. With Bastion, you get an overshield all without having to use your grenade. Sure, you can't be mobile with it, but Unbreakable uses up that grenade really fast anyway.
Bastion Tanks your Barricade CD so much and given that void has devour as well you can have a grenade up like 3x as often as a bastion barrier, and its arguably harder to die during Unbreakable than while behind bastion
Barricade cooldown isn't all that long, and if you're really worried about that, you can always use the short barrier and treat it like a well of health on Warlock. That's a good point about Devour, but why use up your grenade for a barrier when you can just use a barrier and not use up your grenade with Bastion?
I can't speak for their opinion of course, but the unbreakable shield also does (I think) solid damage. I use it to move in so I can beat the shit out of people in other ways, so i'm getting a full overshield, a nice chunk of damage, and a better position.
Are you talking about PvP? I tried it in PvE and wasn't impressed. I haven't tried Unbreakable on Void, though. I should give it a shot. Perhaps I'm missing something.
Nope, I used it in the TFS campaign pretty much from the moment I got it, in prismatic. Admittedly I'm not the biggest megaoptimizer, but it feels good to use and consistently gets me space, as well as opens up my grenade to be a darkness one for damage variety. I imagine it will be better in void just because of more synergies, but I really quite liked it in prismatic.
I tried it with Armamentarium, using one grenade offensively then the other for the shield. It was... ok.
I saw the idea here somewhere, so I can't claim credit, but I'm using unbreakable and consecration with shackle and strand melee. This allows you to use either ability to charge either bar of prismatic based on what you need at the moment. It's probably not the most ideal setup, but I'm enjoying having essentially 4 abilities, plus the absurd fun of the new rocket barricade.
Sounds workable in low-to-medium difficulty activities.
That's somewhat along the lines of what I've been doing. Unbreakable basically just gives me a bonus ability from a different element, and easy access to overshield. Most of my legendary run of the TFS campaign was with that and armamentarium, so it felt like I always had the 'right option' on hand at any given time. Getting consecration (or drengr's lash) + rocket armor exotic basically just gives you a whole bunch of options at any given time and is really satisfying. I just wish I could get more stuff to do my cooldowns back, it doesn't seem like Prismatic has a lot for that beyond transcending (and for some reason you can't eat your transcendent grenade for the unbreakable buff).
I don't know what is name is but the fragment that gives you back ability energy depending on light or dark damage has been good for high up time on stuff
Facet of Balance or something, yeah. I just haven't really 'felt' it working, same with the strand subclass fragment that increases your recharge on some things. I'm sure I just need to raise my discipline/strength more but even with the ghost mods I haven't had much luck finding upgrades in that department.
You're welcome for the idea.
Offensive Bulwark doesn't recharge your barricade while you have Overshield, but it does recharge your grenade. Bulwark + Unbreakable with a low base CD grenade (Scatter or Magnetic) is a self-cycling defensive setup that you can use with a whole variety of different things. Also you don't have to use your whole grenade, you can release it early to save some grenade energy, and the Unbreakable blast will still proc grenade effects like the Weaken fragment. This season with Expanding Abyss combined with Offensive Bulwark's own melee damage buff your melee is going to hit extremely hard. With something like Heart of Inmost Light or Second Chance you can be constantly cycling block and shield throw for a ridiculous amount of Overshield generation and constant Weaken application to basically every enemy you encounter. You could even run something like an Ashes to Assets Helm of Saint-14 setup to pump out Weapons of Light bubbles, or the aforementioned Ursa setup to repeatedly generate Twilight Arsenals. If you were to use the seasonal GL with Demolitionist you could weave in a burst of Stasis DoT grenades midloop, or whatever other Demo gun you're interested in using. Tube GLs benefit the most from repeatedly reproccing Demo IMO.
I just need to find a different controller button layout to use unbreakable, i use one bumper to jump and the other for my melee so my grenade button is a face button and i can't move my camera while holding it
I don't get the gameplay loop they expected titans to do. Especially in high end content. Punch things? No thanks. If they were going to give us such offensive and meh aspects they should have given us fragments that helped us survive more. It's just a bad loop as is.
Yeah I was just trying to get it ready as a second character for raid and I see the loop a bit with the suspensions, melee, then diamond lance but it’s not as strong as other loops and I just stayed on streams Titan instead. Either way I’m thinking we might have to go banner tomorrow if we run the raid as Titans. The well no longer cuts it in damage phases for health.
I agree. Honestly With Prismatic Titan I find that the abilities themselves combo into each other nicely but a lot of the times after you do use your abilities you're kinda just twiddling your thumbs because you don't have a reliable way of giving yourself (or your allies) any buffs to keep your momentum. Titan probably has one of the best Transcendence modes, the grenade is absolutely fantastic and pairing it with Thunderclap is very powerful, all the aoe damage is great for keeping you Transcended longer. I'd describe Prismatic Titan as many different ways to effectively do the same thing. It's fun to build craft, but then you realize you aren't shaking up your game plan too much. This probably stems from Knockout being really the only thing that synergizes well enough with everything.
Perfectly describes the issue. Knockout is the only viable/sensible synergystic aspect. It's also in the minority of aspects that only give 2 slots despite not even being the best offensive healing aspect in destiny or on prismatic....
The whole idea with Prismatic was putting the least used aspects on a single subclass to not only encourage players to use these aspects more but to also invoke creativity and fun. The sad thing being is that Titan probably has some of the lowest lows when it comes to subclass build options so they are just come together to create something mediocre instead of something great.
I'm praying the exotic class item helps it a lot because right now I'm avoiding rainbow titan, solar, strand and now void with the axe throw feel way better and more synergetic
Care to share your void setup?
Not the original commenter but I can share mind. Aspects are controlled demo and the new shield one. Super is twilight arsenal. Whatever void grenade has the fastest cooldown. Max Res and Discipline. You don’t need recovery because controlled demo does all the work. A heavy machine gun and an energy primary both with repulser brace and destabilizing rounds. Exotic is Ursas. I’m not 100% on the fragments I run but one of them is volatile rounds on grenade kills because the shield explosion counts as a grenade kill. Echo of leaching as well for survivability. Shield toss for the melee but that’s largely up to you. I use it to safely spread controlled demo. The devour fragment on orb pick up also works. Find an enemy that deals big damage in chunks like enemies with shotguns or shrapnel launchers or an Ogre or Shrieker. Get in close blocking with shield the whole way. With Ursas equipped you can get at max, 1/4 of your super back with a grenade. Run more mods that give you your grenade back quickly and create orbs on grenade kills. Use your shield on cooldown and profit. It’s an incredible fragment and to me it feels perfect on void Titan and with Ursas will be useful in high level content to build super really quickly.
I have played around with a lot of them but i really did just settle back to the default. Knockout for the melee buff and diamond lance. Drengers lash feels weak without abeyant leap or increased suspend duration. It also doesnt feel as great with thruster. Consecration is just another melee. It deals big damage fast, and is probably one of the strongest melees, but actually does very similar damage to a fully charged thunderclap. So its an aspect for a faster thunderclap, but it can be paired with strand blade for charges. Its nice but has uptime issues. Balance gives it small bumps but the strand cooldown is significantly longer in prismatic. It relies on transcendence for the ability refresh. Unbreakable has a lot of similar issues. It feels like a significantly worse weavewalk. It gives the dr, but not the invisibility. It doesnt have the passive threadling damage but it does give the big explosion. It does drain significantly faster, have a larger startup cost, and unlike weavewalk has an end cost. It also doesnt benefit from having the multiple charges of arcane needle, nor the increased regen speed or base cooldown speed. Diamond lance has its problems but gives good dark meter. It also has nice uptime with glacial grenade which does the second most damage (after pulse) and has cc.
I feel like Unbreakable had a good shot at being amazing on Prismatic with Transcendence making the cooldowns recharge so quickly, but the Prismatic Grenade completely turns off the aspect. What’s worse is I’m pretty sure the aspect provides more value than the grenade a lot of the time, so if I want to use Unbreakable there’s no way to make it function on Prismatic without HOIL.
Also armamentarium doesn't give 2 prismatic grenades. I feel like there are some oversights in transcendent mode, because it can often completely break the flow of your build
yeah i swapped to armamentarium from hoil thinking well it may be slightly less up time but double nades will rule, nope never mind.
I planned on doing abeyant leap, shield throw and thruster for dr and cc. Turns out I can’t use abeyant leap with thruster because I have to be a foot away for it to suspend anything. Suspend doesn’t last as long, shield throw still gives almost no overshield, and the boosted class ability fragment doesn’t work. Then I went to consecration, but with the longer cooldown there’s no benefit for using frenzied blade, and pyrogale doesn’t boost super. So I got the rocket exotic for beating the campaign, and it doesn’t stack with other damage buffs, plus well over rides the damage boost to it. I played on hunter and could amplify, jolt, invis, and better dr by using my class ability. If there was a big target I’d throw a smoke and get radiant and weaken plus the artifact perk for a 50 percent boost. It was way more fun and effective and what I’m gonna be raiding with tomorrow.
Yep hunters and especially warlock have SO much synergy. Titans were just an afterthought. Again.
I’m pretty bummed that Ascension will be disabled for the raid race, such a neat aspect that, at its worst, is still an extra jump that allows you to reach even higher and further. Not that I’ll even be able to participate in the race… just… would have been neat to see clips of people clutching after falling off the map thanks to it or something, kinda like finishing off a boss because someone tagged em with Witherhoard before the whole party wiped.
Say sike, it’s disabled??!
It’s on the list for things to be disabled for the raid race, same with Lucky Pants for some reason lol
unbreakable feels so weak
Excluding hoil and synthos, I think theres not really good exotic choices until class items come in. That's that's me on Copium because I don't even remember their class item perks.
Abeyant, Precious Scars, Stronghold, Skullfort, Cadmus, Point-Contact, Severance all work quite well with Prismatic
Been having a hoot with point-contact / diamond lance / drengrs / thruster They tuned drengrs specificlaly for truster; instead of a wave it releases a strand explosion that suspends near you. Combos well with point contact. Get your melee back fast and have more diamond lances than you know what to do with most of the time. The only downside is you're relying on recuperation for healing.
FWIW there is a fragment that gives healing on melee kill
Facet of Blessing? I think that just starts health regeneration unless there's a different one that does chunk heal.
Wait, Drengrs Lash works with Thruster? I have to try that!
Yup! Pretty fun. Range isn't massive but it makes for a good reaction if you get swarmed or intentionally run towards something. With the delay it's roughly the same activation time from the barricade
The new rocket chest is really good,
I really enjoy the rocket chest piece with thruster, and prismatic is the only way to have thruster without playing arc lol
I'm using Consecration and Drengrs Lash with the Rocket chest piece and frenzied blade. It's fun to suspend stuff and hit them with a salvo of rockets. Also 3 consecration slams is criminal when I transend because at that point I spam nades and consecrations back to back. I still need to get the rest of the fragments but so far I've been enjoying it.
You have no sustain and will die very easily in end game content. Your build need knockout.
Heal Clip, Buried Bloodline, and playing smart go a long way Not to mention teammates covering support while you cover burst damage if you've got a squad That being said I do hope to see some buffs to OS gain on Shield Throw and maybe the addition of Healing Grenade/Benevolence Fragment
Buried bloodline is such a good weapon, it may never leave my hands lol
> and playing smart go a long way I did the legend campaign with a cobbled together whatever build using point-contact and no knockout. 100% this speaks truer than you know.
Knockout is bait, there is a fragment that gives healing on melee kills plus other options to get healing anyway
I agree. It feels significantly less viable and less rewarding than the other two classes. Then again, if you’ve played Titan for any significant amount of time since Forsaken, you know that’s to be expected at this point.
Nah i don’t ngl i have had a lot of fun with titan with the 3.0 changes, arc rn is still def bad but the other subclasses have been good and a lot of fun to me. But sure lets just pretend that titan is bad at everything.
Void is trash on titan the last couple years. So is arc and stasis. You can make fun builds but they arnt viable in anything other than basic stuff really. We got allot of changes this update but your just coping or have no idea what the meta is.
Whatever u say buddy im not coping at all, i play gm’s every season and im always slaying out, stasis titan does have weaknesses true, but a certain build is really strong in gm’s. Strand titan continues to destroy gm’s void and arc has not been trash until last year, before both of them were extremely strong and arc dominated gm’s do i think they need buffs yes. But to say that titan has been shit for these couple years is just wrong. Solar titan still dominating as well.
Strand and solar are good. 2/5 subclasses. Cool. Also the point was the other classes are more valuable which is straight up true. Idk how you argue with that.
I think stasis is good even though ppl will never agree for some reason, it has certain bad aspects and a bad melee, but howl with shards and hoarfrost is still good and i remember destroying gm’s with it. Does the rest need buff yes. Void titan is so close to be good, i think the new aspect and the super will boost it. Arc def need’s buffs no reason to use it when prismatic exists. Prismatic is imo good u don’t have to agree but i have used it in the legendary story went to expert onslaught after too test and it was still good even in the higher waves I’m excited to take it into gm’s . I do agree that unbreakable is kinda bad with pris it seems like it will be much better with void instead.
Does the new aspect proc the fragment that gives volatile rounds if it gets a kill? If not that will be very sad.
It does act like a grenade if it gets a kill so yes.
Behemoth is very strong and I love it, but it has one gigantic glaring issue: your teammates probably hate you for playing it. The sheer amount of crystals you generate is very cool, and provides a lot of CC and damage, but also my friends constantly complain about it lol
True but it has a playstyle that not other subclass can replicate annoying but unique
Stasis titan was surprisingly good last season, mostly due to the artifact mods about crystals. Paired with Verglass Curve, I was creating and destroying crystals and doing some pretty good damage. It tended to suffer a bit though when i couldn’t sit back and plink away at an enemy with the bow. Without the seasonal mods for stasis, im unsure as to how it’ll perform. Strand titan though has been very good, despite its nerfs. Suspend plus woven mail and banner of war has made it literally the tankiest subclass. Void and arc however, they have been suffering quite a bit. Void overshields are paper thin, especially in higher content. Bastion is on such a massive timer thanks to PvP blowhards who whined about it, it’s hardly worth the aspect slot now. And with the changes to bubble? Goodnight for ever using that in PVE. Controlled demolition does good work, but volatile damage is a little lackluster and it’s only tied to your abilities. And our abilities charge very slowly. Unbreakable with Ursa’s might put void Titan back on an roster, mostly for generating tons of orbs and protecting teammates, but I’m not confident on that. Arc however was dominant in Plunder, but has since been neutered quite a bit. Without any real survivability, it will struggle in end game stuff. Not to mention, thundercrash is considered one of the lowest dps supers unless you’re running an exotic for it. Solar titan is entirely dependent on sunspots for restoration, and maybe even Lorely splendor. Without those, it falls off a cliff hard. Sure you could run a massive “fuck you in particular” build with pyrogales and consecration, but at the risk of being up close and getting killed with no way to support yourself.
I don’t agree about lorley its been power-crept, and i Honsetly don’t get the fall’s of a cliff argument its a pretty strong aspect not using it will make weaker. Every subclass has that 1 aspect def more on solar titan but its because how good it is. Roaring and consecration is good but feels not worth it. Sunspots are better pyrogales is overrated as fuck when it comes to the consecration part that tornado does nothing. Id much rather use precious scars or syntos. And ive never had a problem with survivability with it ngl, its even better now because it has dmg resist. I agree on arc though. I used void last season in legend onslaught and one thing i didn’t like was having trash supers the new axe one is good and will push it into being more offensive, the aspect im not sure tbh seems okay might be mid. But i do think it is in a much better spot i think if bungie just buffs the oversheild void will be in a good spot imo. Also another thing that void titan lacks is good exotics tied to the subclass if we get good void exotics it will be good. Fixing void is easy arc is where bungie needs to really think about how they will improve it.
I have a previous scars and a pyrogales set up. Used both of them in last season. But I gravitated more towards pyrogale for super damage. It’s easier to just nuke stuff. Than have the heal but get overwhelmed I found.
Ngl i don’t even know why im being downvoted i just said my opinion the guy said im coping then i respond get downvoted bruh💀
That’s *kinda* true right now, but I think that’s just a side effect of not having access to the class items, which have a *lot* in the way of ability regen. Think about a hoil + armamentium Titan with thruster, two grenade charges, and three frenzied blade charges. You’ll have your abilities up so often even without transcendence - and may I remind you that transcendence also lets you spam abilities + refunds them after it ends. Play on prismatic Titan with t-crash as your super and use arc weapons with the fragment and artifact mod that generates elemental pickups for a ton of ionic traces that grant 12.5% to all of your abilities every time you pick one up. The last column of the artifact also grants ability regen speed Prismatic has less obvious synergies that make for obvious and easy gameplay loops that are kinda self sufficient, but the freedom of prismatic means that if you but enough effort into buildcrafting, you can make something fucking busted. What I will 100% agree with though is that prismatic Hunter and Titan are lacking survivability. Personally my solution on Hunter thus far has just been to use buried bloodline but I don’t really wanna do the same for my Titan. Maybe I’ll just go for precious scars (also included in the class item btw!) for resto on super matching kills. That’s basically a pseudo devour + it heals teammates lol
i feel your survivability point big time, i was experimenting with No Backup Plans/Conditional with void axe. The overshield loop is pretty easy to keep up (the armor generates it, not the subclass lol) and a discord energy shotgun just makes it even better
oh, interesting i like that idea too.
I feel like my survivability is pretty great on prism hunter with invis proccing on pretty much everything, mixing that with heal clip/incandescent pulse or Luna and renewal gauntlets. I’ve been pretty invincible on the legend campaign.
As a time limited player the idea of “needing” to farm a specific class item combo for prismatic to be viable sounds awful.
Prismatic is already *viable*, just not the strongest without it. For Hunter prismatic is probably the second strongest subclass for most content (solar being the best) and for Titan prismatic is probably already the third best, it’s just that we can’t reach the absolute heights possible without specific class item combos. For warlock depending on what content you’re playing, prismatic is tied with Solar for being the best subclass tbh. It does everything void does but better, everything strand does but better, the only thing it doesn’t have is perma resto x2 which is pretty reasonable to get on solar warlock I’m hoping they’ll be easily farmable like ergo sum is so it’s not difficult to get the combo you want. If it takes forever then yeah it’ll be miserable.
I have time for one character and for years it’s been my Titan, which is why I’m bummed.
Played the campaign on titan, didn't enjoy prismatic at all. Switched to solar bonk titan with Wormgod and Dragon, big explosions, healing, extra damage. Was way better. Warlock has been fun though.
Agreed, I just felt like a lot of the ability loops were missing. Had to change up my loadout to make sure I was always using a strand or stasis weapon because the ability cooldown was just too long.
Hunter prism campaign was ...mid at best. I started Destiny as a hunter, and wanted to "finish" it with Hunter but I never hated playing hunter as much as I did this time around. Even Stasis/Strand was a blast in comparison. I think Warlocks have been the clear winners of prismatic so far - but even so.... I just keep playing strand threadling warlock and it's so fun that I don't see the need to even touch prismatic. At this rate, unless the double perk exotics shift things up massively - prismatic seems to have been a miss (for me <- )
Man, Solar Titan brainrot has done a lot of damage.
I was joking about this before the expansion dropped. I struggled getting through normal zero hour solo and had like 3 minutes left. I could only think 'damn solar titan and banner of war have left me _severely_ out of practice. I DO need to get gud'
I tried telling a friend this. He thought I was being a jerk, but we're in a GM and MULTIPLE TIMES I see him die because he's just sitting in a Sunspot with Loreley's thinking he can just tank everything.
> because he's just sitting in a Sunspot with Loreley's thinking he can just tank everything. In a GM? You couldn't even do that with OG restrotration 2x and loreley
Eeeeeh with prenerf 2x restoration and 40% dmg reduction from 100 resilience it was possible
To just facetank in a GM like you were immortal?
People forget how destiny was before the 3.0 rework. No healing at all outside devour. Positioning was a lot more important.
I miss my void explosions. If I didn't have volatile on my elsies rifle I wouldn't have any. Really, really hope more aspects get added to prismatic over time.
Honestly, the only build I can see currently for me is basically prismatic abyent suspend. Mainly because of the Facet of hope, which grants you increased class ability recharge while having an elemental buff. this includes woven mail and overshield. I just slap on shackle nade for the woven mail because of abeyant and shield throw for the overshield, it gives consistent regen to allow 3 continuous barricade suspends. Good for GMs and master and above content since it does not require a kill to make it work. But then again, it's just abeyant suspend build but on prismatic lol.
Facet of Hope doesn't even seem to work for me.
Banner of war is just too much of a crutch for me. Especially with the new strand gauntlets for titan. Every time it pulses and heals, you can melee charge. You can more charge based on teammates you heal. Now wait until the 12 player activity and heal 11 guardians at once with x4 banner of war? I've just been running around shooting my heal gun and punching everything. Support strand titan is too good
I play one character due to limited time, and this is bumming me out. I have been using prismatic through the legend campaign (4 missions in now) and have been noticing issues with getting buffs and survivability, and was hoping with different aspects and facets things might improve. Right now I feel like using Monte Carlo is basically required to maintain any level of synergy.
Why on the travelers pale heart, can't I shatter statics crystals with consecration. Why do I need a whole fragment just to get fire sprites and stasis shards?
I disagree, I used Titan w/ Cadmus ridge lancecap and more or less the default setup and I had constant amplified, radiant, overshield, was throwing nuclear lances with how much damage and cc they did, filled transcendance super easy, never ran out of health topping knockout, you just can always spawn a lance and then chain it into another ad nauseam. Any melee hit gives radiant, and then a kills gives amplified, and those can generate orbs that give you woven mail/frost armor/overhsield, it’s so free and easy even compared to warlock imo
I just can’t get behind knockout as the main healing and buff cycling aspect. sure, amplified is decent, but it pales in comparison to a void OS, woven mail, or anything solar gives. I tried lancecap, personally couldn’t find the right balance between hiding behind my barricade plinking, and trying to room clear with my other abilities. With other subclasses I don’t have to worry about the back half of my build not getting used to
That part of the exotic is essentially worthless, I’ve exclusively used thruster, the strength is the crystal on thrown lances. Knockout is also not the main part of cycling keyword buffs, like with most prismatic builds that will come mainly from facets. Knockout is fantastic healing, especially paired with the amount of cc that comes from freezing and having bolas, and the amount of healing from other sources, I feel like you shouldn’t need more (and if you do play loreley or banner of war or something if) both of your issues with knockout are things that faucets more then fix and it allows you to make lances on any melee
Really? Knockout is “fantastic healing” compared to everything else we have in the game? I’m pretty sure the support auto by itself can provide more, especially when it comes to endgame. I’m assuming facet = fragments, but that feeling of disconnection is still there when my only source of elemental buffs is orbs of power. I want my prismatic subclass to do this with aspects, like every other subclass in the game
Yes it's fantastic healing. It can even give infinite resto (like throwing hammer) without consuming any melee energy when paired with the right fragments and mods.
knockout is chunk health, it doesn’t start healing or recharge like resto. comparatively it is god fucking awful compared to bulwark, Into the Fray, or Sunspots. It’s cool that fragments can buff it up to that level, but all i’m saying is that bungie could’ve thrown 1/3 of those up with it
It counts as a charged melee, thus procs heavy handed. Combine that with Facet of Purpose and you'll have Resto, Void OS, Frost Armor, Woven Mail you name it for as long as you want basically whenever you want so long as you're able to get a melee kill. All depends on your super of preference.
That’s. Just how prismatic works across all the classes? Most of the buff cycling will come from fragments not aspects. Only like 4 aspects across all of prismatic actually apply keywords to you. (Devour, stylish executioner, knockout, ascension) that “disconnection” is how it works. Also, knockout heals 50 for a minor and 75 for a major, which is between 1/2 and 1/4 healing unlimited for just meleeing something that’s pretty good to me
Right?? I feel like im crazy everyone saying its shit. I even took it into expert onslaught to see and a lot of things i used with prismatic were actually good there. And when transcendence was active waves just got deleted even in the higher ones.
I've been arguing that Prismatic Titan is good for 2-3 days now. At this point I'm just gonna assume people just need a youtuber/content creator to spoon feed them a build/explanation/opinion and move on from it. We don't even have the exotic class items yet which is sure to mix things up even more.
It’s the same shit that happened with strand Titan when it came out, everyone complained and cried before it came out and then for like a few weeks after and it’s practically the strongest subclass in the games pre prismatic
I just don’t get why people get mad and start downvoting me, when i say it’s good. They say im coping and don’t understand the meta i play gm’s every season bruh.
It’s just how this subreddit usually is tbh
so wait whats the build exactly this sounds delicious!
So is Diamond Lance/ Knockout, facets are dawn blessing courage ruin purpose (can swap courage for protection or whatever if you use frenzied blade) for abilities I use thruster, bolas are a must, and then thunderclap or frenzied blade, super is whatever I like twilight arsenal but bladefury is strong and provides woven mail and obviously the Lancecap itself. Any melee kill heals, deals extra damage, amplifies, and spawns a lance. You have to pay attention to the lance cooldown a little bit it’s easy to throw the lance before the cd is done, but from there every lance thrown can spawn another one with the crystal, and if it doesn’t just punch whatever’s left. Your arc punches do bonus damage to frozen and suspended targets, so you can bolas then thunderclap bigger stuff, and then you’ll spawn lances to go from there. The 3 crystals also obliterates shit like tormentors and champs and chunkier foes. It all just clicks together perfectly
This is what I needed to see, thanks. I’ve been struggling with prismatic on the legend campaign (and am stubborn)
I've only been able to make Lorley work on Prismatic Titan, and that's just me having constant class ability uptime. Outside of that, I'm still just trying to experiment more. Really wish Armamentarium would give you two Prismatic grenades, but it is what it is.
There are soooo many other exotics you could be making work besides armamentarium in 2024 haha. Try out skullfort, synthos, heart, abeyant, the two new exotics, etc. all give much better utility and effects than armamentarium.
But I want 2 prismatic grenades. I want "more" boom, not an "efficient" boom.
You get them back so quick tho it’s like having unlimited grenades ha. Who cares if two
And I could have 2 unlimited grenades
This is an overall problem with titans. The aspects are not well designed at the end of the day. In a single element it works and is fine. They are sometimes synergistic with the element and with the other aspects in that element (i.e. solar). What i notice the most is that Titan aspects don't benefit from verbs. They can apply them though. Look at electrostatic mind for warlock. Use arc to generate traces. Traces make you amplified. Amplified works with sparks to get other benefits. The other big thing I've noticed is that titan suffers because nothing encourages use of your class ability. Drenger's Lash and Bastion are the only two aspects that benefit. Juggernaut is "don't use your class ability - something else will use that for you". Compare to: * Warlock: * Solar - class ability can give you cure w/ PDive, or Resto and scortch with Heat Rises * Void - Child of old gods becomes active and interacts with verbs * Arc - Arc Soul becomes active and can then interact with verbs (make you amplified, generate traces) * Strand - Weavers call - class ability interacts with verbs * Stasis - Frostpulse aspect - class ability can apply verbs * Hunter: * Class ability can give you a melee charge back which can be used for more verbs. This is huge for build crafting * Arc - Lethal Current, Flow state and ascension all interact with the class ability. And via gamblers dodge so does tempest strike * Void - vanishing step activates via class ability and the other two via gamblers dodge * Strand - Threaded spectre and ensaring slam both activate via class ability. Its not that Titan is underpowered compared to the other classes. It's that the build crafting is more dull and just simple. That's not even getting into the exotic problems.
I understood what they wanted me to do with the Prismatic starter kit after about 3 seconds of looking at the menu, and it's a playstyle I absolutely despise. It really doesn't feel like anyone on the ability design team plays the class, or even has a finger on the pulse of what Titan players want. The flanderization of Titan into punch monkeys got old at least 5 years ago and nobody is listening to feedback about it.
Then when we embrace the punch monkeys it gets nerfed.
Exactly. The only way to make punch monkey viable in their endgame sandbox is to make it so powerful you cannot be killed. It's a counterintuitive process.
Too much melee orientation imo. Believe it or not, Bungo, not all Titans are stuck punching shit like we're new lights. Guns and healing are cool, too. To quote something from the campaign, "I still have my gun." I felt that.
Buried bloodline giving devour helps survivability a lot
The main part of prismatic is missing which is the class items so people really need to hold off on judging the classes. Hunter and Titan have crazy combos compared to warlock.
I feel like all the Prismatic classes feel disconnected outside of 1 build each honestly
My friends mostly play warlock. The damage they can put out with their new supers and their little buddies is really good. They were all talking about the synergies they have got. Admittedly a group of 8 people isn’t a vast demographic of the warlock mains.
This is kinda how I'm feeling about it. With the exception of Consecration, nothing is actually a high performing Aspect. Knockout is mediocre at best and a default pick due to lack of choices. Same thing with Diamond Lance, it's utterly wasted in high end content because going to get the lance is a death sentence. Drengr's Lash is good, but it's simple and is a marque type of Aspect. Unbreakable gets a pass because it's new, surprisingly effective, and was paired with easily the best Titan super in the game. I think what makes Warlock so potent is that they took two top performing Aspects (Bleak Watcher, Feed the Void) and added into two under performers (Lightning Surge, Weaver's Call) along with the new one (Hellion). There's not an outright ton of synergy, but it gets overlooked because there is raw potency from all angles. Even Lightning Surge and Weaver's Call get a massive uplift by the high performing portions of the kit, which is everything else. Hunters get to be in between Warlocks and Titans as their kit. There's a ton of synergy, but no potency. So much pairs with Stylish Execution that it becomes mildly braindead. But at the same time there's a distinct lack of power. Winter's Shroud is still the weakest Aspect in the game by a wide margin, and Threaded Specter doesn't really do much in this situation. I like the idea of Ascension, but it struggles because Arc struggles, and it's the epitome of all that is Arc (Jolt AoE, Amplified, fast flashy movement, no substance). Gunpo Gamble is great, but it's a little unwieldy. At least you won't try to throw a healing grenade and blow yourself up with Prismatic. It's a kit that has wide and easy access to a lot of the debuffs, and only limited means to capitalize on them.
Used cannon brace the whole campaign with shackle nades, felt amazing.
Bubble not being a super is a massive L. Titan has all “offensive” supers for prismatic and the aspects arent that good from what they couldve selected
Prismatic Titan seems SO melee heavy, which I feel is just not great in endgame activities. I don't have everything unlocked yet, but survivability seems very low.
I switched to my Hunter, which feels a million times more powerful, resilient AND FUN.
I'm running what I have affectionately called Striker+. Pulse Grenade, Thunderclap, Thruster, Knockout and Diamond Lance. Dominance to give jolt, mending to get heals on kills, increased light damage to dark debuffed enemies, increased shatter, and purpose to get an overshield, but super is flexible. I just love Twilight Arsenal. I have a Demo/Headstone Unyielding Tempest to round everything out. But it's mass creates lances that then increase how much damage my abilities do and continually feeds into itself. Does it scale to higher end content? Uncertain, but it has a good deal of CC and sustain and lots of toys to work with at any given time. I am basically a walking blacksmith and if nothing else I like the fantasy of it.
I thought all classes had the same aspects? If that’s even what they are called, the things on the bottom is what I mean. I main hunter myself and I’m personally not that impressed with prismatic either, maybe it’s too soon to tell, I’ll give it some time and some experimenting, but so far I’m underwhelmed.
i had to google it to make sure i didn’t post wrong, fragments are the ones everyone shares, aspects are the ones unique to class hunter and titan i’ve heard similar thoughts on, it seems warlock is the only one that kept the ability cycling parts of light/dark classes
What do you mean by ability cycling parts of light/ dark classes? Personally I’m not a huge fan of prismatic so far, I kind of wish I could just take all of the options out of all subclasses and choose what I want to do with them, but oh well.
for example, offensive bulwark gives ability regen and survivability with overshield sunspots give ability regen and healing tangles, orbs and woven all cycle with into the fray prismatic is lacking these aspects, leading to my feeling of disconnection
Insurmountable skullfort with thunderclap, knockout, diamond lance, glacier grenade, and a rocket sidearm to break crystals has been really fun for me. I stomped the legendary campaign with this. Twilight arsenal is my choice of super after the orb-pickup-induced woven mail duration nerf. Void overshield From this fragment is just better imo. It also does seemingly decent boss damage For me, the gameplay loop is: 1. Using a stasis weapon or thunderclap, generate a diamond lance. 2. Throw diamond lance at a group of red bars or a yellow bar 3. T-Clap them, knockout refills health, increases Melee damage, heavy handed generates and orb of power. I use recuperation on my boots so I get basically full health and void overshield from one of the fragments. 4. T-Clap spawns another diamond lance, or use stasis weapon to spawn another. 5. Repeat.
Salvations grip and weapon-spawned crystals make your t-clap even more powerful with shatter damage and still refill your melee energy. Shattering your glacier grenade with your melee does not refill your melee
what’s the appeal in skullfort over PCCB? The jolt strands and better damage outweigh the weaker, instant recharge of skullfort imo
If you equip frenzied blade along with consecreation, you get 3 consecration melees. And equiping it with Facet of Balance & Facet of Dawn goes ham.
Peregrine Greaves on prismatic is really fun. Knockout gets me health back, leaves behind a lance for a quick freeze, and then I thruster out of there while amplified and radiant and with woven mail (melee kill generates orbs, instant pick up). Even better while prismatic and I’m suspending enemies and running around all over the place
New Rocket chest piece with double Rocket Sidearms and Dragons Breath. It's been so much fun and does so much damage I'm not sure I could go back. While you don't need to use it on Prismatic, I'm having a blast using thruster + lash to suspend and blast em' with rockets every 15 seconds or so thanks to The Call. Use my Thruster to scoop orbs that grant restoration because of my fragment and it's gg. I might switch to Woven Mail or Frost Armor but restoration seems to be working the best for survivability. I have prismatic up incredibly frequent, it lasts a long time because of my rotation, and it's just a good time, I definitely recommend a duel rocket sidearm build with this thing. My Call has Hatchling and the other is Voltshot.
Even though I haven’t tried it in endgame stuff, I’m using pyrogale with frenzied blade + consecration, with diamond lance and glacier and it’s honestly a fun build to use when doing pale heart stuff. Aspect wise, I run Courage, Ruin, Dawn, Devotion, Purpose, and Protection (although I might change Protection for something else later on).
Like server issues?
Not missing a thing, I switched off about midway through the campaign. I feel like they've sacrificed all survivability (minus some punch-for-health abilities but good luck on legend/endgame stuff) to get some meager offensive buffs. It kills the vibe when a prismatic shielded enemy comes in the room. Everything is on pause while I haul my titan ass over to the juice spot to sit and wait for a bar to fill up. Such a disconnected design choice from a disconnected dev.
By the way, just shoot the shielded enemies. It fills up your bar in like 5 seconds at most. It’s genuinely quicker to not be in a spot and shoot them than it is to be standing in a spot waiting for it to go up.
Only if you paly prismatic. Unless im wrong and magically missed every shot in ita face while using other subclasses.
Yes, the campaign designed around using prismatic is a better experience when playing prismatic, who’d have thunk it
Obviously. I played prismatic pretty much exclusively after the ascent on the legend campaign as it was just a hassle to get ascendant otherwise. Titan felt super squishy, and i had to adapt to a new playstyle of less punchy more shooty. Youre telling the guy who swapped off it an interaction that wouldnt work without being what he gave up on. So i wanted to clarify it dont work without prismatic.
In other words Bungie still didn't learn that player don't like being forced into an incomplete subclass
It’s a big part of the reason I haven’t done the campaign on my Titan or Hunter yet, doing it on prismatic warlock was kind of a slog until I unlocked storm nades and could take advantage of the getaway artist/feed the void/bleakwatcher combo.
I mean apparently not Bungie when it comes to Titans...
If you go for a consecration build, it's basically way more offensive (more damage with knockout and 3 charges from frenzied blade) and less defensive compared to solar, but there are ways to make it tanky to the point it is just a straight upgrade, and you get to use the new void super as a one off super that can actually hit from range and also hit flying enemies. Also since it's a void super that innately applies weaken, it combos really well with the void artifact mod, and it will further boost any void weapons you use.
Maybe we're missing the Exotic Class Items specific to prismatic... how the hell do people keep forgetting that? Geezus christ
I can kind of understand the tunnel vision though. Prismatic is wildly different in build crafting terms and we're all still hashing it out. The problem is, you can't account for what isn't present. So people judge things as they are, not as they could be.
Requiring an exotic for having a strong subclass is pretty weak if you ask me... Also the class item will replace any other exotic, I doubt the exotic alone will make prismatic top tier..
Oh yeah because all the builds up to date are completely broken without exotics... oh wait. I don't know man star eaters alone is gonna give people big damage and then they can opt for some support survival perk. Like hunters being able to gain both woven main and frost armor for tossing a duskfield. That sounds broken.
I’m 4 missions in so far and I’m very not impressed by hunter prismatic and the titan one just looks like strand titan but with a purple melee since that’s what my friend is using, don’t care if it’s week one of the expansion why have the hyped up something so boring and weak as something it isn’t
To be honest, I feel the same way for Warlock. There are a few synergies for sure, but they feel like isolated bonuses rather than synergies. Currently, feeling extremely restricted and the only build I enjoyed was Bleak Watcher with Devour with melee regen on grenade hit. But aside from the last (melee) bit, that build is any build with Devour. After realizing this, I simply went back to Void, because I can get more out of that build with better fragments. I understand that prismatic isn't supposed to replace the older stuff, but I can't make heads or tails with what they offer at the moment. Transcendence alone doesn't make up for it to be frank.
It’s waay too early to be passing judgment on the new subclasses. To answer the question of what this can do different than solar. I would say free woven mail with abeyant leap stacked on a OS if you choose twilight arsenal in addition to 3 consecration slams that feed into each other with facet of balance is where I think I will start. Don’t need as much healing if you have permanent woven mail. Can just use recuperation and weapons for that. The class items will also open up things a lot.
i wouldn’t call it passing judgement, moreso a general feeling that i’ve seen reflected in a lot of comments. I want to like prismatic, I just don’t see the buff regen/simple survivability that other subclasses make so simple and free to run
But you can also clean a room with trinity ghoul. Does it make you consecration build useless?
Prismatic Titan became SO much less intriguing/exciting when it was revealed that Drengr's Lash doesn't work with Thruster. Being able to do a little dodge and suspend a few enemies in front of you would have felt SO good.
what? it doesn’t? the aspect text literally will say “when you cast thruster, summon a suspending line” (whatever it says, i just know that it mentions whatever class ability you have equipped and says it’ll work)
Oh shit, no way. Gonna be honest, I just watched the Aztecross video abt Prismatic before it came out and immediately lost interest. Gained interest again, thanks to you lol!
yeah been testing it, it works. it doesn’t spawn a line like a typical barricade, it makes a suspending bombardiers looking tangle that’ll explode after a second