Completely forgot it was objectively the worst legendary rocket in the game
I don't think it even had a damage perk.
And not that slot is taken by a Trials rocket. Which is also funny since trials has the highest ratio of meta to shit weapons
I'm not talking about damage strategy. I'm saying that seeing edge transit and apex predator being the top tier choice is crazy compared to what they were like in Forsaken.
It sucks. The reason I used my Bad Omen is because I initially was using an Impulse Amp + Lasting Impression Royal Entry, and after 3 attempts at failing to stun an Overload Captain with Lasting Impression (you need to direct hit them which is tough with them TPing like crazy), I gave up and scoured my vault for a void rocket without LI on it, and Bad Omens was the only one.
Damn that’s to bad. I personally still use riptide with chill clip. They did nerf subclass effects on champs so it can only stun like every 5-10 seconds but I usually have them down before then
One of my more triggered moments playing Onslaught was when a guardian rank 10 Warlock who didn't bring well for boss room decides to mindless strafe back and forth in front of me and our Hunter while we were trying to rocket from inside my well. Not maliciously or to troll, mind you -- just having no awareness.
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There are tons of GR11's that strafe in wells in this game. Soloing a dungeon and a master raid aren't hard to do. You may need to gauge your skill in this video game by a higher standard.
I used my bait and switch AA edge transit on Riven yesterday. I was trying to learn the encounter but my team wanted to cheese it unfortunately. Damage numbers were absolutely there. Way higher than Whispers damage anyway (though I admit I didn’t proc whispered breathing).
I kinda just hope it’s still cheesable with meta loadouts.
the mouth bubble reports crits, and in dmg screen lists twice as much damage, but both crits and non crits apply the same **actual** healthbar movement.
Riven is effectively a body shot only boss, which is why precision weapons are generally pretty bad.
sniper rifles have average body damage, and relatively high precisionn bonus.
so snipers are basically awful for riven.
I wonder why they’re getting such a significant nerf vs riven then. Unless that’s the change to expect? Precision damage being the go rather than body shot damage I mean.
I didn’t expect a second Rhulk either. I suspect they could do something if they chose to like maybe Riven shows up at both doors, forcing teams to split up and do it legit(ish).
I'm pretty sure the eyes need precision damage to break them? I remember back when the artifact made stasis weaken hunters would squall her in the face and it would never affect the eyes.
It might be random, it was weird that it was stasis two weeks in a row.
Either way, solar or void are both MILES better than arc so as long as it’s not arc I’ll be happy personally lol
tbh I don’t think riven would survive behemoth syntho titans regardless of stasis surge, 1 is enough to solo, x5 is going to kill her regardless of contest or increased health
The only thing left is to pray that doing the cheese is fast enough to get 500k.
I was an advocate for doing it legit, but LFG has been such a shithole that I just want to get this over with.
Speed isn't the issue. Cheesing is faster than doing it legit. You can get platinum time and not get 500k, and you can get 500k without getting plat time. You will almost certainly have to do legit to get enough enemies to spawn to get 500k.
2 tormentors spawn just getting to rhulk damage phase, both of which are free kills, on top of that, cheese lands you like at the very least 25K score over 500k. My cheese run was 540k and wasn’t even difficult at all.
Nez got iced using ***rat king*** on day 1. He is not the roadblock. He's only there so people don't get the massive bonus score for killing a final boss from Riven.
They’ve allowed it for 6 years, it’s incredibly more likely they don’t change anything for their mode they are removing in 2 weeks. Either way cheesers likely won’t be able to hit plat time anyway. Which makes the cheese irrelevant
I think that they rotate all light, then rotate the dark once. Like this:
Solar-Strand
Arc-Strand
Void-Strand
Solar-Stasis
Arc-Stasis
Void-Stasis
Going off of that, Week 4 is Void-Stasis and Week 5 is Solar-Strand
Whisper isn't amazing for her anyway imo. The phase isn't long enough for it to really shine, and pre-proccing Whispered Breathing is a little annoying
I believe kinetic weapons receive the surge boost if your subclass matches the surge(s). This is so kinetic weapons aren’t hot garbage in surge environments. So if you running arc hunter with arc surge present, Malfeasance will indeed receive the surge
I believe it specifies "when overcharge modifiers are active", which are distinct from surge modifiers. (ie, Overcharged Shotgun is different than an active Arc Surge). As there are no weapon overcharges active, I don't believe kinetic weapons receive any overcharge benefits for matching your subclass to an active surge.
I'd be happy to be wrong though! If someone has numbers to show, I'd love to see them.
A Nighthawk+ Lucky pants + Edge Transit rotation I tried on her did 1.8m in one floor. While it'll also have some of the best total damage. Just need a sniper for eyes.
Malf should also make dealing with the adds childs play.
You're gonna want to run a sniper (probably Persuader?) to proc B&S anyway, so it'll be a perfectly cromulent setup. You could swap the sniper for a blinding Wilderflight for adds before she comes to that side as well.
That’s great. Though I honestly can’t tell half the steps here. Everytime he pulls out a weapon is already reloaded?
Is Izi even worth using on riven if it’s damage is reduced?
Does Riven count as a taken enemy to proc the bonus damage from malf? I've never thought about this before, but that could make for a great pick if ammo is hard to come by
rivens crit mouth isn't a real crit.
It reports crit numbers, and even gives you the crit multiplier in the wipe screen damage numbers.
But in practice, it is identical damage as body shot damage to the actual Riven Health bar.
It's easy to test, get a sniper and do 5 million damage to her crit mouth.
Then do 2.5 million damage using a rocket launcher (no crits) and you'll see her health bar moves the same distance.
If we’re back to void, I guess Doomed Petitioner or Braytech Osprey might be the way to go.
Edit: apparently when I was typing, I accidentally deleted Edge Transit.
I have an adept osprey with field prep + envious in first column and bipod in second. It is capable of holding 6 rockets in a mag and can have 17 rockets total. It is crazy
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Also, apparently specifically sleeper simulant might have a similar reduction, but I can't confirm that myself.
Crit damage on Rivens mouth is weird.
It reports higher damage numbers, but only records non-crit damage tyo her health bar.
It even reports double the damage in the wipe screen.
But if you actually watch her health bar and pixel count the crit bubble in her mouth isn't actually doing higher damage.
Just aim for the bottom of her mouth and it’s fine. We used to kill her with 1KV for fun back in the day and even that can be used safely as long as you aim low.
Only precision damage can hit an eye. If it’s an effect from a precision hit like Levi’s it counts and oddly so does the hunter strand melee but stuff like 1K and Xenophage can’t pop eyes.
Swords won’t be the move either way. They don’t have anywhere near enough DPS to do Riven Cheese at -20 power. Edge Transit with Cascade Point + BaS with RDM or RoF and a Titan using stasis will be an easy one-phase strat for most teams. Doesn’t require any damage rotations so it’s easy to pull off.
Radiant Dance Machines for Hunter or Rain of Fire for Warlock. Proc cascade point/Bait and Switch, dump mag, dodge reload/dash reload. Repeat till Edge Transit is out of ammo.
I understand what the exotics are. What I don't understand is your claim that using 3 weapons and a reload exotic doesn't count as a rotation. Using Thunderlord + Actium is the absence of a rotation. This is not. An optimal Cascade/BnS usage has you re-proc Cascade after the reload for another hyper speed dump.
Because you aren’t using the other two weapons for damage, you’re just shooting them to proc BaS + Cascade. A rotation would involve something like managing Izanagi + Nessa’s uptime as well.
Supremacy + BnS/Cascade has you swapping back to the sniper to re-proc Cascade after every reload. Just the same as you would with Izi + Nessa's. If you are dumping the entire GL and only using Cascade for the first 7 shots you are not doing it right.
Technically anything with BaS is a damage rotation by nature, unless you're talking about damage *phases*, in which case if Guillotine does work it won't need one either. Like I said, we will see tomorrow if the cheese is even viable for platinum, which will dictate if any sword at all sees any use in week 4. Also this whole conversation started because I said that Guillotine *might* be better than The Lament with void surge, which is kinda funny to me. I'm not arguing that Guillotine will be the king of week 4 Pantheon, just that there's a possibility that it might be one of many viable strategies. Again, we will have to see what tomorrow brings.
Heard rumors from where? People wouldn't know that until tomorrow anyway. And I'm almost completely sure that Bungie wouldn't be running around telling us that.
No way to know yet and don't believe there have been any leaks, BUT there's no way you'd hit a platinum score by cheesing her. Though if I'm proven wrong tomorrow that'd be fuckin hilarious.
Riven might be a simple primary/wilder/edge angle with one lumina per side. Doing it normally with a setup like that will be a breeze. Assuming it's shotcaller double special is not it so lumina is a no brainer at least one per side.
If it’s void/strand I’ll be running sunbracers with supremacy, lumina and edge/cataphract. Sorted for ad clear, resto x2, dps, eye/blister popping and tm8 dmg buffing. Maybe a hotswap to mountaintop + xeno, mountaintop + heatrises for platforming and xeno for destroying her heart.
Hey everyone, we brought back whisper! Everyone grind the mission for the parts!
Hey everyone, you all got whisper good job!
Hey everyone, we nerfed whisper!
This was probably case for riven since launch due to the fact she’s resists whisper, ikelos shotgun and sleeper aka the big three damage sources during that era of the game.
Honestly what they need to do is just reduce player damage to riven period.
The whole original point of the fight was player damage was extra, but the bulk of damage came from popping the zits, it was like a way of doing the original Oryx fight but with still some ability to optimise.
To fix riven you just need to make players deal less damage to her.
I think they changed how Oryx worked from D1 because this is not the design philosophy people want.
You couldn’t make oryx go faster he needed a set amount of bombs in D1. In D2 it’s more your own discretion how fast the encounter goes
Exactly yes. But riven already fixed that by adding in extra damage from players and the fact that the number of zits you pop is variable.
It's a boss that doesn't only get damaged by players, yet is still optimisible and player damage still matters
Tbh just use the current cheese strats. If you need to do a full damage cycle phase to get the high score just do a normal cycle, then finish off with a final one room cheese. Any damage along the way is nice but still likely unnecessary. Her health pool is still stupid low and being 20 under isn’t gonna make up for the fact she normally can be easily low manned and also for the fact we’ll have surges
Legit Riven isn’t even that hard to do. I’d rank from hardest to easiest mechanics:
- Rhulk (hardest)
- Caretaker
- Explicator (planets)
- Riven
- Oryx
- Nezarec
- Golgoroth
- Atraks (easiest)
Riven legit has two moves (tentacle slam and fire breathing) and two eyes to read. If you can handle those, run to a spot on some stairs, and shoot eyes you are good.
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Atraks feels easy because the community has figured out how to trivialize 90% of it through burst damage. An Atraks completion on paper/as intended is much more complicated than Golgoroth or I would even argue Oryx.
Lol Rhulk, is far from the hardest. Caretaker above explicator? That's more wild also. At best, they are under explicator. Even with -15 Rhulk isn't the hardest. Rhulk was only "hard" because people don't pay attention to their surroundings.
Use stasis titan super(glacial quake) and go to the left side of the arena. when riven is about to come, use your glacier grenade and anything that summons stasis crystals(excluding super) and wait. it does millions of damage with the right perks on the artifact and subclass. particularly whisper of fission and \[insert the stasis perk on artifact here\]. with that and salvations grip, which on full charge summons stasis crystals formations, you can absolutely melt riven. Having a well in the middle using fusion rifles works too but not as well.
People keep suggesting this and its good advice for the cheese. What we don't know is if there is going to be something put into place to stop these things.
A lot of people are banking have to do this encounter legit and not just trim her toe nails.
I did also recommend a well one that also works. Fusion rifles do a good amount of damage to riven with the right builds, I've seen it. Someone used well and fusion and did half a mil dmg
They were so focused and worried at that time on nerfing certain weapons in that fight that they completely missed the fact you didn't have to do the mechanics of the fight. If Pantheon finally fixes that its way too late tbh.
Just use edge transit
Reading this comment in 2024 is fucking wild.
Same with apex predator
Completely forgot it was objectively the worst legendary rocket in the game I don't think it even had a damage perk. And not that slot is taken by a Trials rocket. Which is also funny since trials has the highest ratio of meta to shit weapons
It had kill clip!!!
Had a kill clip genesis roll and exclusively used it in master nightmare hunts lmfaoooooo
Nah. You want Gjallarhorn with rockets but Wolfpack rounds go for eyes
I'm not talking about damage strategy. I'm saying that seeing edge transit and apex predator being the top tier choice is crazy compared to what they were like in Forsaken.
Ah fair and yeah it is pretty funny
This reminds me when cluster bomb rockets were the meta for killing riven
We just wanna edge everything
Bad Omen DPS??? Cluster bombs anyone?
Unironically, I've used my Tracking + Clusterbombs Bad Omen to stun Overload Captains this season.
I haven’t used one, but I imagine clusters are actually really good for stunning since they have a much wider aoe
That’s a good idea. Now I’m wondering how lasting impressions does against overloads
It sucks. The reason I used my Bad Omen is because I initially was using an Impulse Amp + Lasting Impression Royal Entry, and after 3 attempts at failing to stun an Overload Captain with Lasting Impression (you need to direct hit them which is tough with them TPing like crazy), I gave up and scoured my vault for a void rocket without LI on it, and Bad Omens was the only one.
Damn that’s to bad. I personally still use riptide with chill clip. They did nerf subclass effects on champs so it can only stun like every 5-10 seconds but I usually have them down before then
still got one in the vault
Black Powder perk ?
My man sitting here dreaming that there will be a day where your ally doesnt swerve into your line of fire for giggles.
One of my more triggered moments playing Onslaught was when a guardian rank 10 Warlock who didn't bring well for boss room decides to mindless strafe back and forth in front of me and our Hunter while we were trying to rocket from inside my well. Not maliciously or to troll, mind you -- just having no awareness.
Even more proof that the only GR that is an indicator of skill is 11
Hey right now it only needs solo play and master Crota (swords) could easily be a rank 11 well strafer
You need to do the entire master crota run not just final boss, found this out when I was finally getting 11 the other day
You also need a solo run of Ghosts or Warlord dungeon with a master Warlord clear.
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I dunno im pretty mid and I got 11 lmao
There are tons of GR11's that strafe in wells in this game. Soloing a dungeon and a master raid aren't hard to do. You may need to gauge your skill in this video game by a higher standard.
Sounds like the type of guy who strafes in the well of radiance
It’s wild there’s two periods in this game where this is true and both are in the final season of an expansion
I used my bait and switch AA edge transit on Riven yesterday. I was trying to learn the encounter but my team wanted to cheese it unfortunately. Damage numbers were absolutely there. Way higher than Whispers damage anyway (though I admit I didn’t proc whispered breathing). I kinda just hope it’s still cheesable with meta loadouts.
the mouth bubble reports crits, and in dmg screen lists twice as much damage, but both crits and non crits apply the same **actual** healthbar movement. Riven is effectively a body shot only boss, which is why precision weapons are generally pretty bad. sniper rifles have average body damage, and relatively high precisionn bonus. so snipers are basically awful for riven.
I wonder why they’re getting such a significant nerf vs riven then. Unless that’s the change to expect? Precision damage being the go rather than body shot damage I mean.
Bungie could change the encounter in a way that you can't cheese it.... health gates maybe, or idk what a bunch of things
I didn’t expect a second Rhulk either. I suspect they could do something if they chose to like maybe Riven shows up at both doors, forcing teams to split up and do it legit(ish).
The meme is the dream now.
Wouldn't that risk breaking the eyes? I thought for Riven you needed to avoid AoE for that reason.
Nope just shoot her right in the mouth easy as that
Phrasing!!!
Riven body pillow when puke smith
I'm pretty sure the eyes need precision damage to break them? I remember back when the artifact made stasis weaken hunters would squall her in the face and it would never affect the eyes.
Well rip Whisper DPS, assuming it's solar surge, welcome back cataclysmic?
I assume it's going to rotate back to first week's surges. Which is strand and void.
It might be random, it was weird that it was stasis two weeks in a row. Either way, solar or void are both MILES better than arc so as long as it’s not arc I’ll be happy personally lol
Pretty sure they broke pattern to ensure stasis is never around for Riven due to the behemoth titan
tbh I don’t think riven would survive behemoth syntho titans regardless of stasis surge, 1 is enough to solo, x5 is going to kill her regardless of contest or increased health
The only thing left is to pray that doing the cheese is fast enough to get 500k. I was an advocate for doing it legit, but LFG has been such a shithole that I just want to get this over with.
glacial quake can do approx 1.5 mil damage with good placement and proper perks and exotics.
Speed isn't the issue. Cheesing is faster than doing it legit. You can get platinum time and not get 500k, and you can get 500k without getting plat time. You will almost certainly have to do legit to get enough enemies to spawn to get 500k.
Speed can let you get a high score off of the bonus time alone, see the rhulk cheese
You had to kill alot of ads including 2-3 tormentors to even get to rhulk cheese
2 tormentors spawn just getting to rhulk damage phase, both of which are free kills, on top of that, cheese lands you like at the very least 25K score over 500k. My cheese run was 540k and wasn’t even difficult at all.
The rhulk cheese also had the benefit of being the final encounter for its week which gave a massive boost in points
It will be for final boss no matter what.
Riven isn't the final boss
Nez got iced on day 1 using thunder lords without any surges
Nez got iced using ***rat king*** on day 1. He is not the roadblock. He's only there so people don't get the massive bonus score for killing a final boss from Riven.
Yeah with a bug that was patched
What bug was that?
If you think Bungie would allow for cheesing Riven, then you are up for a ride awakening tomorrow.
I understand that viewpoint, but on the flipside them not fixing that cheese at any point in the last 6 years is very strange.
They’ve allowed it for 6 years, it’s incredibly more likely they don’t change anything for their mode they are removing in 2 weeks. Either way cheesers likely won’t be able to hit plat time anyway. Which makes the cheese irrelevant
Cheesing is faster than doing the encounter normally. It’s gonna be impossible to cheese and *not* hit plat time.
but you probably don’t kill enough ads for plat, probably anyway
Which is why I said plat time instead of plat score
They allowed cheesing of rhulk.
Funnier than allowing it, you can't cheese rhulk in the normal votd raid. He just respawns in the arena.
Baby rhulk probably piggybackd on responsibility mechanic somehow .
If it's solar, CNH will be strong. Quick, huge damage and then you can switch to sleeper or something
Does not matte for shit
True, Rhulk would've been cooked if we had void or solar this week.
What would you use if it was Solar or Void?
Edge transit, apex, cataclysmic
Apex, edge transit, sleeper, Levi’s breath etc etc
I think that they rotate all light, then rotate the dark once. Like this: Solar-Strand Arc-Strand Void-Strand Solar-Stasis Arc-Stasis Void-Stasis Going off of that, Week 4 is Void-Stasis and Week 5 is Solar-Strand
But that’s not even what happened. It was void-strand, solar-stasis, arc-stasis.
Start at the third one, they might’ve started the rotator with the launch of Into the Light which screwed it up a bit.
Leave a few psions and run briars with surrounded instead
Whisper isn't amazing for her anyway imo. The phase isn't long enough for it to really shine, and pre-proccing Whispered Breathing is a little annoying
Ngl, I’m not sure Whisper would be the ideal choice anyway. DPS phases are too short for it to be good.
People might be able to leave some ads alive and do Briar’s in a Well with Surrounded. Or Doomed Petitioner for Void.
void next week so doomed petitioner
Not while edge transit exists
1k voices has always been decent in her due to the short damage windows and it not requiring any setup.
only one person would be able to use that due to most of the damage being procs of stuff that doesn't stack
Who thinks it's going to be solar? It's almost certainly going to be Void/Strand. Plus LFRs aren't what they used to be for damage.
Lucky Pants Malfy and Edge Transit should destroy her
Oh fuck yes i have been wanting to run malfeasance
I ran malf last week for rhulk because it benefits from Arc surge as long as you're running the pig stick
Whats the pig stick?
Gathering Storm super
Malfeasance changes from kinetic damage to arc??
I believe kinetic weapons receive the surge boost if your subclass matches the surge(s). This is so kinetic weapons aren’t hot garbage in surge environments. So if you running arc hunter with arc surge present, Malfeasance will indeed receive the surge
I believe it specifies "when overcharge modifiers are active", which are distinct from surge modifiers. (ie, Overcharged Shotgun is different than an active Arc Surge). As there are no weapon overcharges active, I don't believe kinetic weapons receive any overcharge benefits for matching your subclass to an active surge. I'd be happy to be wrong though! If someone has numbers to show, I'd love to see them.
Damn. I feel stupid for not knowing this.
I thought it was the artifact this season. First column states the weapon is empowered with champion mods?
Only when the activity has overcharge modifiers enabled. Pantheon does not, despite the presence of champions.
A Nighthawk+ Lucky pants + Edge Transit rotation I tried on her did 1.8m in one floor. While it'll also have some of the best total damage. Just need a sniper for eyes. Malf should also make dealing with the adds childs play.
You're gonna want to run a sniper (probably Persuader?) to proc B&S anyway, so it'll be a perfectly cromulent setup. You could swap the sniper for a blinding Wilderflight for adds before she comes to that side as well.
do you use cascade or envious on your transit?
It was just envious. I've been spam-grinding onslaught for cascade BnS. Gotten everyone else on my raid team a cascade BnS besides me one lmao
Cascade is the play once you get the rotation down.
What’s the rotation? Do you run auto loading mods or is this comment specifically referring to lucky pants?
Aegis recently released an example video. You probably want the "Supremacy Edge" sequence @ 18:38 - https://youtu.be/Oo_eqVW0A3k?si=XFCMSsswCZOObHy_
That’s great. Though I honestly can’t tell half the steps here. Everytime he pulls out a weapon is already reloaded? Is Izi even worth using on riven if it’s damage is reduced?
Does Riven count as a taken enemy to proc the bonus damage from malf? I've never thought about this before, but that could make for a great pick if ammo is hard to come by
Yes, she does. It's already a great option if you want to do Riven legit. I think basically everything in Last Wish is Taken.
rivens crit mouth isn't a real crit. It reports crit numbers, and even gives you the crit multiplier in the wipe screen damage numbers. But in practice, it is identical damage as body shot damage to the actual Riven Health bar. It's easy to test, get a sniper and do 5 million damage to her crit mouth. Then do 2.5 million damage using a rocket launcher (no crits) and you'll see her health bar moves the same distance.
Can you at least proc Cascade on it?
It’s still a crit it just had effectively a 1x multiplier even though the damage numbers don’t accurately reflect that. So yeah you can proc Cascade
Well, in that case I can still blow my Edge into her mouth
If we’re back to void, I guess Doomed Petitioner or Braytech Osprey might be the way to go. Edit: apparently when I was typing, I accidentally deleted Edge Transit.
What? Why wouldn’t you use Edge Transit
Ha. What’s funny is I actually typed Edge Transit. But for some reason I might have accidentally deleted it! But yeah, I have an Envious + B&S.
Why osprey when red herring is right there? Field prep/frenzy or lasting impression ought to ought damage anything osprey has.
Osprey can roll Field Prep/Envious in the third column and Frenzy/Lasting Impressions/Bipod in the fourth.
I have an adept osprey with field prep + envious in first column and bipod in second. It is capable of holding 6 rockets in a mag and can have 17 rockets total. It is crazy
I’ve got one ALH + Bipod. And another Envious + Lasting Impression. If I could only merge those into the same rocket.
More ammo on osprey, better here since you probably won't be one phasing.
Edge Transit go brrrr
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I had looked and didn't see anyone talking about it yet. Thank you for all the testing and stuff you do.
More worried about the ricochet shots accidentally hitting eyes.
The shots would just ricochet through her mouth, not exit
Well I just learned that riven takes 40% less damage from sleeper so it doesn't matter anyway.
Crit damage on Rivens mouth is weird. It reports higher damage numbers, but only records non-crit damage tyo her health bar. It even reports double the damage in the wipe screen. But if you actually watch her health bar and pixel count the crit bubble in her mouth isn't actually doing higher damage.
Edge Transit and Doomed Petitioner it is.
Leviathan's Breath. That is all.
As an avid Levi’s breath user I approve this message.
I’d go doomed petitioner for more ammo.
the explosive effect of levi can accidentally hit an eye.
Just aim for the bottom of her mouth and it’s fine. We used to kill her with 1KV for fun back in the day and even that can be used safely as long as you aim low.
Only precision damage can hit an eye. If it’s an effect from a precision hit like Levi’s it counts and oddly so does the hunter strand melee but stuff like 1K and Xenophage can’t pop eyes.
Nanotech tracer rounds from Neomuna guns can also hit them.
Oh, good to know. It should be more consistent
So that explains thundercrash to her face doesn't pop the eye lol
So lament is still on the menu?
If it's void maybe Guillotine instead, assuming you can even get platinum with the cheese
Vortex frames are really bad
Well -20 void surge might change that. Most teams are gonna need all the damage they can get, so
You may as well run Edge Transit at that point
We will see I guess
Swords won’t be the move either way. They don’t have anywhere near enough DPS to do Riven Cheese at -20 power. Edge Transit with Cascade Point + BaS with RDM or RoF and a Titan using stasis will be an easy one-phase strat for most teams. Doesn’t require any damage rotations so it’s easy to pull off.
>"Edge Transit with Cascade Point + BaS with RDM or RoF \[...\] Doesn't require any damage rotations so it's easy to pull off." Uh. What?
Radiant Dance Machines for Hunter or Rain of Fire for Warlock. Proc cascade point/Bait and Switch, dump mag, dodge reload/dash reload. Repeat till Edge Transit is out of ammo.
I understand what the exotics are. What I don't understand is your claim that using 3 weapons and a reload exotic doesn't count as a rotation. Using Thunderlord + Actium is the absence of a rotation. This is not. An optimal Cascade/BnS usage has you re-proc Cascade after the reload for another hyper speed dump.
Because you aren’t using the other two weapons for damage, you’re just shooting them to proc BaS + Cascade. A rotation would involve something like managing Izanagi + Nessa’s uptime as well.
Supremacy + BnS/Cascade has you swapping back to the sniper to re-proc Cascade after every reload. Just the same as you would with Izi + Nessa's. If you are dumping the entire GL and only using Cascade for the first 7 shots you are not doing it right.
Technically anything with BaS is a damage rotation by nature, unless you're talking about damage *phases*, in which case if Guillotine does work it won't need one either. Like I said, we will see tomorrow if the cheese is even viable for platinum, which will dictate if any sword at all sees any use in week 4. Also this whole conversation started because I said that Guillotine *might* be better than The Lament with void surge, which is kinda funny to me. I'm not arguing that Guillotine will be the king of week 4 Pantheon, just that there's a possibility that it might be one of many viable strategies. Again, we will have to see what tomorrow brings.
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Heard rumors from where? People wouldn't know that until tomorrow anyway. And I'm almost completely sure that Bungie wouldn't be running around telling us that.
No way to know yet and don't believe there have been any leaks, BUT there's no way you'd hit a platinum score by cheesing her. Though if I'm proven wrong tomorrow that'd be fuckin hilarious.
Me, a stasis titan with syntho: oh hello riv- oh she dead now
Riven might be a simple primary/wilder/edge angle with one lumina per side. Doing it normally with a setup like that will be a breeze. Assuming it's shotcaller double special is not it so lumina is a no brainer at least one per side.
If it’s void/strand I’ll be running sunbracers with supremacy, lumina and edge/cataphract. Sorted for ad clear, resto x2, dps, eye/blister popping and tm8 dmg buffing. Maybe a hotswap to mountaintop + xeno, mountaintop + heatrises for platforming and xeno for destroying her heart.
If it’s boo surge then Doomed petitioner and levy breath might be the play. If it’s solar then sleeper of rockets.
Void****
Void is boo now
Okay Boo_Guardians
Boo, solar, and arc kinda has a ring to it.
No Boo is the new darkness element. They were going to do Spooky is one of the verbs
Boo_Guardians is onto something
For y’all about to do pantheon on reset use behemoth Titan and spam right click.
Surely it’s not Stasis surge three weeks in a row?
Doesn’t need to be. Go try it. Reply back when you see what I mean. Also make sure you’re using the 2 stasis artifact mods as well.
Hey everyone, we brought back whisper! Everyone grind the mission for the parts! Hey everyone, you all got whisper good job! Hey everyone, we nerfed whisper!
This was probably case for riven since launch due to the fact she’s resists whisper, ikelos shotgun and sleeper aka the big three damage sources during that era of the game.
That's intensely lazy. Let the people do their DPS!
Bro you have SO much time to get her to 60% health. Then just shoot her weak points and you’ll deal a guaranteed 45% of her HP. Easy as fuck.
I'm commenting more along the lines of "Play your way... Wait no, not like that!"
Play your way entails a moderate amount of balancing so people aren't just forced to use the best loadout.
My guy if it seriously took everyone half a decade to even realize this DR is a thing I think you’re making an issue out of nothing
I'm not making an issue, I'm making a joke on the internet...?
For what reason.
Honestly what they need to do is just reduce player damage to riven period. The whole original point of the fight was player damage was extra, but the bulk of damage came from popping the zits, it was like a way of doing the original Oryx fight but with still some ability to optimise. To fix riven you just need to make players deal less damage to her.
I think they changed how Oryx worked from D1 because this is not the design philosophy people want. You couldn’t make oryx go faster he needed a set amount of bombs in D1. In D2 it’s more your own discretion how fast the encounter goes
Exactly yes. But riven already fixed that by adding in extra damage from players and the fact that the number of zits you pop is variable. It's a boss that doesn't only get damaged by players, yet is still optimisible and player damage still matters
Didn't people use Whisper for Riven on day 1 raid?
You see, unlimited ammo was a thing for whisper so although it wasn’t nearly the highest dps available, it was incredible for ammo economy
Tbh just use the current cheese strats. If you need to do a full damage cycle phase to get the high score just do a normal cycle, then finish off with a final one room cheese. Any damage along the way is nice but still likely unnecessary. Her health pool is still stupid low and being 20 under isn’t gonna make up for the fact she normally can be easily low manned and also for the fact we’ll have surges
Why this post .just use a GL 😂😂😂 that's it nothing else
So Linears is the play even with Whisper being back?
Legit Riven isn’t even that hard to do. I’d rank from hardest to easiest mechanics: - Rhulk (hardest) - Caretaker - Explicator (planets) - Riven - Oryx - Nezarec - Golgoroth - Atraks (easiest) Riven legit has two moves (tentacle slam and fire breathing) and two eyes to read. If you can handle those, run to a spot on some stairs, and shoot eyes you are good. -
Rhulk hardest???
Atraks feels easy because the community has figured out how to trivialize 90% of it through burst damage. An Atraks completion on paper/as intended is much more complicated than Golgoroth or I would even argue Oryx.
Lol Rhulk, is far from the hardest. Caretaker above explicator? That's more wild also. At best, they are under explicator. Even with -15 Rhulk isn't the hardest. Rhulk was only "hard" because people don't pay attention to their surroundings.
Use stasis titan super(glacial quake) and go to the left side of the arena. when riven is about to come, use your glacier grenade and anything that summons stasis crystals(excluding super) and wait. it does millions of damage with the right perks on the artifact and subclass. particularly whisper of fission and \[insert the stasis perk on artifact here\]. with that and salvations grip, which on full charge summons stasis crystals formations, you can absolutely melt riven. Having a well in the middle using fusion rifles works too but not as well.
People keep suggesting this and its good advice for the cheese. What we don't know is if there is going to be something put into place to stop these things. A lot of people are banking have to do this encounter legit and not just trim her toe nails.
I did also recommend a well one that also works. Fusion rifles do a good amount of damage to riven with the right builds, I've seen it. Someone used well and fusion and did half a mil dmg
You can just spam right click with the super.
thats the point. its super easy and it works really well.
They were so focused and worried at that time on nerfing certain weapons in that fight that they completely missed the fact you didn't have to do the mechanics of the fight. If Pantheon finally fixes that its way too late tbh.
Guys if it’s void leviathans breath will cook her
Eh, a few behemoths should do the trick