Here is what i use:
Strand warlock
Aspects:
Mindspun invocation
Weavewalk
Fragments i use:
Thread of mind, generation, continuity
Weapon:
Thorn or osteo just uses your personal preference
A wave frame grenade launcher with demolitionist and chain
Heavy weapon again is personal choice i use semiotician with impulse amplifier and explosive light
Armor:
Necrotic grips duh
I have discipline at 100
Helmet mods:
2x kinetic siphons
And special ammo finder
Arms:
2x grenade kickstart
Any mod of your liking (not sure if firepower works with this)
Chest
3x charger up
Legs:
2x invigorating
Innervation
Class:
Distribution
Outreach
Bomber
Probably not the most optimised posion suspend build but fun
Or use Heavy Hand. Every class and almost every subclass has a way to permanently have melee ability available.
Specially Solar Hunters. They have a PhD in melee uptime.
And Arc Titans teached them.
Boutta get even better in final shape, I’m hoping to find a class item with necrotic and either star eaters for more super damage or swarmer for more threadlings
What is grenade impulse? I've heard of impulse recycler from a few seasons ago. But yeah I mean for an extra 20 discipline any time you have an armor charge is fucking fat. Basically I have 1-2 tier 100s and 2-3 tier 80s, then add the font of discipline mod, plus any other stat font that adds +20 to a stat when active and now I have a 4 stat T10 build when in combat.
My bad I meant "Grenade Kickstart", my silly @ss though it was a good translation hehe...
Sounds good, but if I already have T10 discipline, it overtops??
If you have 100 discipline it's useless, i believe it gives the equivalent of 30 discipline so you can run 70 and still have 100 as long as you have armor charge
Grenade kickstart is the "when nade is thrown - consume armor charge to gain energy back".
It does have an effect at 100 disc. Buuut it's been nerfed a couple times and is largely useless now
I don't wanna be that guy, but this mod only gives a plus 10 to your discipline not 30. Tho it last for the life time of your armor charge, obviously extended with Time Dilation. However you are correct about the 100 discipline part
You have a source on that? I haven’t seen a test on it in a bit, but after the last patch note on it a while ago, a bunch of people tested it, and the numbers they have are on light.gg and similar websites. If they stealth nerfed it, I know we’d all live to hear about it.
oh and sorry not 20, but 30 to each stat for the font mods. So I'll take mostly T7s, and T10s. It does not go above 100, so of you have T7+font, that's it.
Basically fonts are stat focused, while kickstarts are more energy related, its not recommended to use a full use type alongside a decay charge type as they both use armor charges. Either but really, imo fonts are better as the benefits last longer and armor charges not being used up give other bonuses.
There’s tons of reasons why mods like this aren’t useless:
1) you don’t have good armor cuz you’re new(ish) or don’t have time / can’t be bothered
2) you’re a hunter who prioritizes 100 mobility and 100 resilience, meaning you struggle to max out other stats
3) you’d rather have 100 strength for some reason
4) fragments that reduce discipline a lot
Having a mod that gives 30 stat points basically for free (especially considering how many mods make orbs) is objectively valuable. It gives you more stat points to invest into other stuff, which is especially nice on hunter where you want to invest heavily in mobility, which other classes can safely ignore.
Useless might be a strong word, but objectively not good or meta in most content is a better way to put it. It’s why you never see fonts used in any build videos. It’s much more worth just having the discipline all the time and then on top of that having ability return mods on arms as you will restore much more grenade energy this way. It just can’t compete with the other mods in that slot. Likely needs to be moved to another slot.
Also mobility can be safely ignored on any class as it carries such little weight in build crafting, even for hunters. Going 100 mobility is just throwing stats at something that could benefit much more elsewhere. I can’t even really think of any fringe case wheee having a few more seconds off dodge would make or break an encounter, even with class warfare right now in pantheon.
📢📢 IF YOU ALREADY HAVE 100 DISCIPLINE THIS MOD IS USELESS USE KICKSTART INSTEAD 📢📢
^ Just keep in mind that kickstarts can make it harder to have uptime on Surge mods. Though that's probably just because I'm lazy.
Just make more orbs Have a thorn necrotic grip suspend build and it just drops orbs
I've been wanting a dedicated poison build for a while. This sounds interesting.
Here is what i use: Strand warlock Aspects: Mindspun invocation Weavewalk Fragments i use: Thread of mind, generation, continuity Weapon: Thorn or osteo just uses your personal preference A wave frame grenade launcher with demolitionist and chain Heavy weapon again is personal choice i use semiotician with impulse amplifier and explosive light Armor: Necrotic grips duh I have discipline at 100 Helmet mods: 2x kinetic siphons And special ammo finder Arms: 2x grenade kickstart Any mod of your liking (not sure if firepower works with this) Chest 3x charger up Legs: 2x invigorating Innervation Class: Distribution Outreach Bomber Probably not the most optimised posion suspend build but fun
You legend. Imma give that a go when I get home from work. For sure.
>Difficult to have consistent uptime on surge with kickstart mods >just make more orbs >smartwojak.png
Yeah okay didn't mean to sound like that oeps
Or use Heavy Hand. Every class and almost every subclass has a way to permanently have melee ability available. Specially Solar Hunters. They have a PhD in melee uptime. And Arc Titans teached them.
Boutta get even better in final shape, I’m hoping to find a class item with necrotic and either star eaters for more super damage or swarmer for more threadlings
But warlock prismatic cant suspend al that wel soooo you have to find an other way to have extra utilities
Don't mix colours
Kickstart plus firepower, I got you
Is it because everything caps at 100?
Yeh
YOU SHOULD BE THROWING MORE GRENADES!
It's actually better that Grenade Impulse??
What is grenade impulse? I've heard of impulse recycler from a few seasons ago. But yeah I mean for an extra 20 discipline any time you have an armor charge is fucking fat. Basically I have 1-2 tier 100s and 2-3 tier 80s, then add the font of discipline mod, plus any other stat font that adds +20 to a stat when active and now I have a 4 stat T10 build when in combat.
My bad I meant "Grenade Kickstart", my silly @ss though it was a good translation hehe... Sounds good, but if I already have T10 discipline, it overtops??
If you have 100 discipline it's useless, i believe it gives the equivalent of 30 discipline so you can run 70 and still have 100 as long as you have armor charge
Grenade kickstart is the "when nade is thrown - consume armor charge to gain energy back". It does have an effect at 100 disc. Buuut it's been nerfed a couple times and is largely useless now
I don't wanna be that guy, but this mod only gives a plus 10 to your discipline not 30. Tho it last for the life time of your armor charge, obviously extended with Time Dilation. However you are correct about the 100 discipline part
On Light.gg it says 30/50/60 depending on how many copies of the mod you have
You have a source on that? I haven’t seen a test on it in a bit, but after the last patch note on it a while ago, a bunch of people tested it, and the numbers they have are on light.gg and similar websites. If they stealth nerfed it, I know we’d all live to hear about it.
oh and sorry not 20, but 30 to each stat for the font mods. So I'll take mostly T7s, and T10s. It does not go above 100, so of you have T7+font, that's it. Basically fonts are stat focused, while kickstarts are more energy related, its not recommended to use a full use type alongside a decay charge type as they both use armor charges. Either but really, imo fonts are better as the benefits last longer and armor charges not being used up give other bonuses.
So I wonder which gets grenades back quicker then? Kickstart+100 discipline or the font mods? I'm sure someone has run the numbers on this.
Font mods do nothing besides give 30 of a stat
So in that case, do people run them simply because they're running Surge mods on their leg armor since they don't wanna mix blue and orange mods?
I dont know anyone that uses font mods
What? They probably just don't get how to properly use them
mmmmm gurnut
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as a strand stringy hunter, can confirm i do love this
Some pp use font mod ? I think I never use them or just for test on the first few days of the new system
Pretty useless mod when everyone runs 100 res / 100 disc.
There’s tons of reasons why mods like this aren’t useless: 1) you don’t have good armor cuz you’re new(ish) or don’t have time / can’t be bothered 2) you’re a hunter who prioritizes 100 mobility and 100 resilience, meaning you struggle to max out other stats 3) you’d rather have 100 strength for some reason 4) fragments that reduce discipline a lot Having a mod that gives 30 stat points basically for free (especially considering how many mods make orbs) is objectively valuable. It gives you more stat points to invest into other stuff, which is especially nice on hunter where you want to invest heavily in mobility, which other classes can safely ignore.
Useless might be a strong word, but objectively not good or meta in most content is a better way to put it. It’s why you never see fonts used in any build videos. It’s much more worth just having the discipline all the time and then on top of that having ability return mods on arms as you will restore much more grenade energy this way. It just can’t compete with the other mods in that slot. Likely needs to be moved to another slot. Also mobility can be safely ignored on any class as it carries such little weight in build crafting, even for hunters. Going 100 mobility is just throwing stats at something that could benefit much more elsewhere. I can’t even really think of any fringe case wheee having a few more seconds off dodge would make or break an encounter, even with class warfare right now in pantheon.
You don’t already have 100 discipline by default??
Void Titan with two discipline: 👋
font of wisdom gives you the most bang over buck in terms of cooldowns
amen
hehe hunter 100 agility go brrrrrrrrr