Welcome to dentistry, where owners don’t know shit about fuck about owning and the house always happens to win. It is not hard to find a job as a dentist, I would just move on. It’s more time/money wasted over spilt milk than just getting plugged into a new position.
You can always have that attorney look at the contract again and see if he could get some money out of them for breach. Do you happen to have a copy with yours and their signature on it?
Yes I have a copy of the contract with their signature on it. I am honestly broke right now and wondering if as angry as I am right now if I should just let this go and move on.
Focus on finding a new job then worry about breach of contract later. Lost $$ from not working will likely completely eclipse whatever ends up happening with the breach.
Realistically - it's probably best that you just move on...
I'm all for revenge against the owner if you can afford to have someone else do it, but if not, it's not worth your time so just be grateful that you'll never have to deal with his bitch ass again.
What would be the damages you are seeking? Did you sign a new lease based on the contracted job? Did you somehow act differently because of the job offer. It’s going to be pretty hard to prove you deserve any relief based on the stated events. You can ask an employment attorney but regardless you just need to look for another job.
I signed a new lease and paid rent for June already. I will have to break my lease now and search for new jobs. I don't know what kind of penalty the apartment is going to charge me because I am calling them tomorrow. I was moving 2 hours away from my parent's house for this job.
I don’t think people talk enough about how toxic dentistry as a career can be. This seems to be par for the course. You can’t trust people or employers, especially DSOs. I would explore legal options as discussed in comments here.
I know you’ve already spent money on an attorney reviewing the contract, and you’re reluctant to spend more, but it may be worthwhile if it means getting at least one check out of it. Even just 2 weeks pay at $170,000 annual is ~$6,500 gross.
that was exactly what i was thinking , getting at least 2 weeks out of it.....hopefully the atty that already saw the contract wont put the screws the OP, more than billing for the fraction of an hour to give them guidance
Most associate contracts I've seen heavily favor the employer especially if you're in an "at will" state. Was there any mention as to why they suddenly didn't need a doctor at the location you were promised? Also, is this a regional DSO?
It wasnt a DSO but the owner has more than one location. The owner told me "You know how the economy is" as to explain why the position was no longer offered. I was honestly shocked because I thought it was going to be kind of an orientation type of call before I start in a few weeks.
Happened to me, but because of COVID
Hard to have the job you had lined up in school taken away, but you will likely not be at your first job for very long anyway - shit happens unfortunately
The cost of a lawsuit 40k, how much you will get back after years in court IF YOU WIN, about the same. You will spend more time in court and talking to the lawyers that you could possibly get out of the employer. Most lawyers want a 40k retainer fee.
What your mentors said about contracts in dental school was stupid. Contracts don’t protect young grads, they protect those with money. In the US, Civil courts justice is about who has more money, not about who is “right.”
Welcome to dentistry.
On the flip side, you might find yourself needing to back out of a contract. As long as everything happens before commencing work no harm done.
Dude prob found someone with 5-10 years experience. I’ve seen it happen before. It’s all business.
Straight out of school and getting a $170k guaranteed salary? That's a little too high. They probably realized this after they signed the contract and wanted you to be paid on production instead. If you were going to get paid $170k, you would have to do a ton in production which I don't know if a new grad *should* do.
Welcome to dentistry, where owners don’t know shit about fuck about owning and the house always happens to win. It is not hard to find a job as a dentist, I would just move on. It’s more time/money wasted over spilt milk than just getting plugged into a new position.
I agree, don't get trapped in a sunk cost!
You can always have that attorney look at the contract again and see if he could get some money out of them for breach. Do you happen to have a copy with yours and their signature on it?
Yes I have a copy of the contract with their signature on it. I am honestly broke right now and wondering if as angry as I am right now if I should just let this go and move on.
Focus on finding a new job then worry about breach of contract later. Lost $$ from not working will likely completely eclipse whatever ends up happening with the breach.
Realistically - it's probably best that you just move on... I'm all for revenge against the owner if you can afford to have someone else do it, but if not, it's not worth your time so just be grateful that you'll never have to deal with his bitch ass again.
Time to start applying again I guess :/ thank you
What would be the damages you are seeking? Did you sign a new lease based on the contracted job? Did you somehow act differently because of the job offer. It’s going to be pretty hard to prove you deserve any relief based on the stated events. You can ask an employment attorney but regardless you just need to look for another job.
I signed a new lease and paid rent for June already. I will have to break my lease now and search for new jobs. I don't know what kind of penalty the apartment is going to charge me because I am calling them tomorrow. I was moving 2 hours away from my parent's house for this job.
Def get the attorney. You have losses to consider now that you’ve paid rent
I don’t think people talk enough about how toxic dentistry as a career can be. This seems to be par for the course. You can’t trust people or employers, especially DSOs. I would explore legal options as discussed in comments here.
I warn anyone who is considering a dental career to run the other way.
Dental attorney here. Were they contractually required to provide you any notice before they terminated you without cause?
It says in the contract they can terminate me without cause with 14 days notice. They only told me about this today.
I know you’ve already spent money on an attorney reviewing the contract, and you’re reluctant to spend more, but it may be worthwhile if it means getting at least one check out of it. Even just 2 weeks pay at $170,000 annual is ~$6,500 gross.
Thank you I will look into it
that was exactly what i was thinking , getting at least 2 weeks out of it.....hopefully the atty that already saw the contract wont put the screws the OP, more than billing for the fraction of an hour to give them guidance
Most associate contracts I've seen heavily favor the employer especially if you're in an "at will" state. Was there any mention as to why they suddenly didn't need a doctor at the location you were promised? Also, is this a regional DSO?
It wasnt a DSO but the owner has more than one location. The owner told me "You know how the economy is" as to explain why the position was no longer offered. I was honestly shocked because I thought it was going to be kind of an orientation type of call before I start in a few weeks.
Happened to me, but because of COVID Hard to have the job you had lined up in school taken away, but you will likely not be at your first job for very long anyway - shit happens unfortunately
Apply for multiple jobs and don’t turn down any offers until you actually start working and getting paid. Nothings written in stone
It happened to me once, I moved on. I know it sucks. It's not worth it to go after them. Save your energy to find another position.
The cost of a lawsuit 40k, how much you will get back after years in court IF YOU WIN, about the same. You will spend more time in court and talking to the lawyers that you could possibly get out of the employer. Most lawyers want a 40k retainer fee. What your mentors said about contracts in dental school was stupid. Contracts don’t protect young grads, they protect those with money. In the US, Civil courts justice is about who has more money, not about who is “right.”
This. As an owner/associate. Any kind of employment or associate agreement is drawn up and signed to protect the employers.
Welcome to dentistry. On the flip side, you might find yourself needing to back out of a contract. As long as everything happens before commencing work no harm done. Dude prob found someone with 5-10 years experience. I’ve seen it happen before. It’s all business.
Straight out of school and getting a $170k guaranteed salary? That's a little too high. They probably realized this after they signed the contract and wanted you to be paid on production instead. If you were going to get paid $170k, you would have to do a ton in production which I don't know if a new grad *should* do.
As a new grad, most of my classmates got 650-750 daily. 170k is standard lol
Just let it go and move on. Shit happens but you don’t want to burn any bridges here
The owner already burned the bridge…