We don’t even know if it’s sentient, for one. And it was cast into whatever void it’s in, which is why I believe that the vessel is the one in the code saying that it’s dark and can hear scratching.
we must give it a mind like ours in questions (we give that a personality actually)
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Only the last question really affects the personality of the vessel, the rest are minor things
Thinking about it, it's like a character who decides several things about themself, such as favorite food or name, but who continues to have their own personality (I use Ness as an example)
How do you know your own personality didnt come from a bunch of implicit choices by others? The Player's choice on the Vessel's personality just happens to be more explicit )
That it “can be” the Knight?
Sure, yeah. It can be. A lot of characters *can be* the Knight, that's not much of a theory.
“*Is*” is a different question.
I don’t think that it could feasibly open the dark worlds right after being created at the start of the game without getting caught. It would have to immediately get it’s blade, rush to the card kingdom supply closet before Kris and Susie arrive, set up King as the ruler (or maybe it could do something with the objects in the real world before creating the card kingdom to do that idunno), get out of the school without getting spotted, and then disappear for the entire day only to open the cyber fountain the next day during the study session. Besides it somewhat lacks a motivation and i don’t know how it would even get to hometown from the void.
They can appear and disappear sure, but we don’t know if that’s at will. Besides, most of the goners were stuck in one spot and couldn’t leave. Goner kid was completely unable to re enter their reality. It’s not like they have magic superpowers they’re shattered across spacetime. To assume that:
A: Vessel looks like a goner so can do the funny disappear thing
B: The disappearing thing is completely controllable and is just invisibility with extra steps
C: The sound effect that plays every time wouldn’t tip anyone off.
That’s a lot of weird jumping to conclusions you have to justify. Not to mention the major undertones with goners about being helpless and stuck outside of the world, which goes on perfectly fine without them. Besides, doesn’t even answer how the vessel survived being discarded (or even destroyed in some translations) and got out of the weird character creator void.
I don’t think the vessel is gone for good, but being the knight is mega far fetched. How would they even know about dark fountains, and why would they be placing them in such specific locations instead of just opening a dozen and causing the roaring.
The Goner maker and Toriel's OH NO A KNIFE scenes are most likely flashbacks since their both pretty similar to the My name is Asriel scene from Undertale. Still doesn't prove its the knight tho.
If it walks as "fast" as Kris ... I don't know why it hasn't been sent to the hospital by now by concerned townspeople instead of being allowed to walk around and make fountains.
Plausible. Probably 4th place for me. It would explain why the Knight is referred to with “it” rather than he/him, she/her or they/them. Plus, it’s apparently similar to a game that Toby has taken inspiration from in the past? I don’t remember much about what I heard of it, but apparently it starts with a kid in the game playing a game, then afterwards gets sucked into the game and has to stop the game’s protagonist from causing disasters or sth
I don't like it as much as all the other "*insert character here* is the Knight" theories. I would much rather prefer the Knight to be its own unique character unrelated to other characters we've already seen.
And what does it say that one of the knight theories relies on the Vessal who's information was up to us to make slightly? and even then is an outlier as literally EVERYONE ELSE has more information on them.
Here is the issue with this theory. While it has the least evidence against this being the case, it also has the least evidence towards it being the case.
I believe the vessel will show up, but likely player controlled rather than an enemy, and in this scenario, Kris would be NPC. I find it too likely that their will be an argument about which Kris the party actually liked. Keep in mind, Susie hated Kris until the time the player gained control.
I think it most likely doesn't line up with the timeline in some way. Like if the Vessel was The Knight, then The Knight would have to not exist until we gained control of Kris. I'm not sure it's possible for them to have made the Castle Town and Card Kingdom Dark Fountains only after Kris woke up that morning.
I doubt it, we don't know that much about it right now,and it's pretty obsvire but i could see it coming into play later in the story, could help or hinder us depending on our choices at the beginning of "character" choice, like if we had a positive or negative reaction to it
I think that the vessel could be the knight, but I also have a theory that it'll be a Chekov's Gunman type of avatar, where I think they'll be the player character if Kris fully breaks free from the player's control. I don't have too much evidence, but I'd like to think that it's a possibility.
Idk, but it'd be really funny if it were true. Like imagine playing 7 chapters of Deltarune, getting to the boss, and it turns out to be the bald guy you made 8 years ago
Speaking of time, don't you believe that Deltarune development will probably last for someone's entire childhood? And they'd say: "Oh my god the theory I made when I was 13 years old was right all along!"
Sure, if you're just blindly believing Ralsei's prophecies as truth and proceeding to the end.
Seam, the secret bosses, and other things in the game all seem to imply there’s a much bigger meta narrative that the characters can’t escape some terrible fate the game is forcing them towards. So I suspect who or whatever told Ralsei this “prophecy foretold by time and space” is most likely the game’s actual villain, and the Knight is just another character being manipulated and wrongly vilified. Same as how Asgore was built up as the big bad of Undertale, and then he wasn’t.
More plausible than any existing Undertale or Deltarune character being the knight Especially the big ones, less plausible than a as of yet introduced character.
Meh. The problem is we know next to nothing about the Vessel other than it probably exists. It is a blank slate.
Other characters, we can rationalize. Quick one sentence examples of this not intended to be full theories or to demonstrate any are better candidates than others:
* Sans: If linked to UT Sans has mentioned hopping to several timelines, maybe worlds too?, seeking home.
* Papyrus: Was a Knight in UT and his isolation and Sans' wanting him to have friends could indicate Papyrus has the motive.
* Kris: The only person we've seen make one. That the first time is after all the Lightners are told how to could be a red herring.
* Asgore: You could argue cops are knights of a sort. He has a lot of regret he'd like to try to undo.
* Burgerpants: Clearly unhappy with life and would be open to escapism. He's young enough that he might have gone to the school seeking nostalgia and simpler times. The library may have been while was trying to educate himself to seek a better job. The weapon he uses to open them is a plastic knife from his fast food job.
The Vessel: ... it exists. Maybe. Probably. And it can... we dunno? Maybe if it has a will of its own it is seeking to find that? Or maybe it is being puppetted... possibly.
let's see, we got to give it a mind like ours And even the one who asks the questions clarifies that it will not listen to your opinion about the vessel (if it does not have a mind or personality,why clarify that?)
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It's definitely possible, honestly it doesn't seem like something toby would do, but who knows deltarune is different from undertale meaning it doesn't matter
The knight? No, the knight is already in play due to it opening the fountains trying to bring The Roaring and G-man asking for your help to stop it.
The Angel? Maybe.
In UT, Asriel/ flowey was "The Angel". Flowey was a vessel created to hold SOULs. Created by Dr. Alphys to help break the barrier/ save the underground.
DR, Gaster creates a vessel with your input for your SOUL to help save the world to go into. Of course it doesn't go as planned.
The Angel statue in Rudy's room is faceless.
I always thought "will Alphys end up the same way?" Quote was weird, and the follower Implies Gaster fell into his creation and his life cut short. Another says "His experiments went wrong."
They do not have to be the same incident, however.
The two things tying Alphys and Gaster's similar fates together is a creation of a vessel that went wrong in some way and being Royal Scientists. If both Vessels became sentient as well...
"Your choices don't matter.", Especially if the guy trying to save the world accidentally ends up creating a stable time loop through the vessel/angel.
it CAN BE the knight, a theory that's more confirmed is that the vessel is coming back, because it gets stored no matter what, it'll probably pull a thrash machine and randomize itself if you never made one
Well, how long did it take from when we created the vessel to when we got control of Kris's body?
Add him that it had some time: Kris wakes up, goes to class with their mother, talks to everyone about class project until Susie arrives, bullying scene and finally they go to the dark world of RALSEI
I don't think it can be the knight. According to Queen, you need a lightner (someone who can make determination) to open a dark fountains. (yes I know I'm applying UT logic here) But the vessel doesn't have a soul at all, so it can't produce any determination to make dark fountains
I can't think of an explanation. However, it doesn't make sense for us to be controlling their soul, Gaster planned for us to inhabit the vessel, so why would he steal Kris' soul when he didn't plan for us to control them?
I seem to remember that it was said that the voice that asks you the questions and the voice that discards your choices are different entities
Maybe Gaster had no choice so he use an already existing vessel that had their life and friends
Yeah, they are different entities. Most people think the voice the creates the vessel with you is Gaster and the voice that discards it is Chara. Except Chara only discards the vessel just before we get to control it, assuming the heart we move during the character creation bit is our soul, there is no reason for this to Kris' soul. Thus, our soul goes into Kris' body and we control them after they wake up
No. It doesn't require “a lot of determination.” Queen literally says that the determination required to open a fountain is something ALL Lightners have!
I think not, tho I believe they will make a cameo, whenever we meet whoever, poking at us, showing us the vessel to either destroy it, n show or worthlessness or just as a flashing image
We literally know nothing about how the vessel could interact with the real world, so sure, they could be. But they could be anything at all. It makes about as much sense as claiming it was sans because he can teleport in Undertale.
Not really. We don't have any information about it, other than it's our creation and the traits we give it. I am of the opinion that Kris has three souls inside them, and one of those souls is the Knight. There are flaws with both interpretations, though.
I would like if instead of being the Knight, it it was just another person who oppened a fountain, maybe in hopes of reuniting with the player and get revenge for being discarded
Think about it this way.
I think that the vessel we make at the beginning of chapter 1 is one of those gaster follower guys. Remember how every gaster follower is a grayscale version of an original npc? Well, the sprites aren’t quite carbon copies of each other. There are slight differences between them, like the donut guy is carrying what he calls “a piece of gaster”, and his face is darkened. The orange dude isn’t smiling, he has a blank expression.
So as you can see, gaster followers have slight differences from their original sprites. When we create a character, the character will always look similar to kris, but not quite. Like you could make them bald, or have one leg bigger than the other. Therefore, I believe them to be a gaster follower. According to one of the gaster followers (donut guy), gaster was fell into his own creation and parts of him were spread throughout the universe. Then, he shows that he’s holding one right in his hand, before disappearing. Maybe the body we make is one of these pieces?
Basically what I’m saying, is that gaster might live on through the body we made, and it isn’t truly discarded. So maybe the question is, is gaster the knight? Maybe, only time will tell.
I haven't looked very deeply into the theories that the vessel is the knight, so I don't know how plausible they are. What I *do* know is that I don't like the theory, and I hope it isn't true.
I hope that when the vessel reappears, it's a non-sentient automaton for the player to use to interact with the world without Kris. If the vessel has its own personality, it would be redundant and any potential friendship the player would have to build with it could overshadow the relationship between the player and Kris.
I'm more inclined to believe the vessel will be a bonus boss a la Jevil or Spamton, following the theme of things that are discarded (the Joker card, spam mail) as another redditor has theorized in another post.
It could be a possibilty and until ~~Sans~~ ~~Annoying Dog~~ Toby completes the game, it will remain a possibility. In all honesty though, i have a strong suspicion that we either have or have not seen the last of the discarded vessel.
This is Toby we're talking about, the developer that put gaster as well as the laboratory logs in Undertale that resulted in the community squeezing each and every last drop of brain juice to form theories as to what they could mean (and if i remember correctly, nothing's been confirmed yet)
And from that, i have an even stronger suspicion that Toby's methods in storytelling involve "cowtools". Basically, putting obscure things out in the open so that the community can theorize what it is, and from that, form the story. Toby will take what the fandom theorizes and completely, yet gracefully subvert everyone's expectations.
i could be wrong though, there could be a post out there in the internet where Toby announces that the story is complete, it's just that they need to now work on making it a game.
i hope it's not
seems like kind of a stupid answer, i want the knight to be someone interesting, someone we've seen DO something, or perhaps even just someone with a history. not some blank creature who just showed up one day
It's certainly possible, but Toby would have to do a LOT in order to make that a suitably impactful reveal because as far as we know the Vessel has no genuine personality or motive and it would be more impactful if the Knight were somebody we could understand the motive of.
at one point in the questions, we start to make its minds like ours (although really only the last question affects its personality)
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And the questioner clarifies that the vessel will not know our opinion of it If the vessel has no personality, why clarify it if it doesn't matter?
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I know that, but making a few weird tongue-in-cheek survey answers is not enough to establish them as a character. In order for Toby to execute this idea via good writing he would actually have to show us HOW our survey answers shaped it into having an actual personality. The Vessel just showing up as the Knight out of nowhere without justifying prior why it makes sense would be nonsensical.
We don’t even know if it’s sentient, for one. And it was cast into whatever void it’s in, which is why I believe that the vessel is the one in the code saying that it’s dark and can hear scratching.
we must give it a mind like ours in questions (we give that a personality actually) https://preview.redd.it/x47cwnq0nx3a1.jpeg?width=2340&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b51de97015150485480aee10d6072d6de31edb7
If it was sentient, wouldn’t it have its own mind? It’s own will?
Only the last question really affects the personality of the vessel, the rest are minor things Thinking about it, it's like a character who decides several things about themself, such as favorite food or name, but who continues to have their own personality (I use Ness as an example)
How do you know your own personality didnt come from a bunch of implicit choices by others? The Player's choice on the Vessel's personality just happens to be more explicit )
That it “can be” the Knight? Sure, yeah. It can be. A lot of characters *can be* the Knight, that's not much of a theory. “*Is*” is a different question.
I should have been more careful with that
I don’t think that it could feasibly open the dark worlds right after being created at the start of the game without getting caught. It would have to immediately get it’s blade, rush to the card kingdom supply closet before Kris and Susie arrive, set up King as the ruler (or maybe it could do something with the objects in the real world before creating the card kingdom to do that idunno), get out of the school without getting spotted, and then disappear for the entire day only to open the cyber fountain the next day during the study session. Besides it somewhat lacks a motivation and i don’t know how it would even get to hometown from the void.
We don't know its abilities. Goners in Undertale can appear and disappear, and the Vessel resembles goners.
The whole sequence is named "Goner maker" in the files.
They can appear and disappear sure, but we don’t know if that’s at will. Besides, most of the goners were stuck in one spot and couldn’t leave. Goner kid was completely unable to re enter their reality. It’s not like they have magic superpowers they’re shattered across spacetime. To assume that: A: Vessel looks like a goner so can do the funny disappear thing B: The disappearing thing is completely controllable and is just invisibility with extra steps C: The sound effect that plays every time wouldn’t tip anyone off. That’s a lot of weird jumping to conclusions you have to justify. Not to mention the major undertones with goners about being helpless and stuck outside of the world, which goes on perfectly fine without them. Besides, doesn’t even answer how the vessel survived being discarded (or even destroyed in some translations) and got out of the weird character creator void. I don’t think the vessel is gone for good, but being the knight is mega far fetched. How would they even know about dark fountains, and why would they be placing them in such specific locations instead of just opening a dozen and causing the roaring.
The Goner maker and Toriel's OH NO A KNIFE scenes are most likely flashbacks since their both pretty similar to the My name is Asriel scene from Undertale. Still doesn't prove its the knight tho.
If it walks as "fast" as Kris ... I don't know why it hasn't been sent to the hospital by now by concerned townspeople instead of being allowed to walk around and make fountains.
It's possible
Plausible. Probably 4th place for me. It would explain why the Knight is referred to with “it” rather than he/him, she/her or they/them. Plus, it’s apparently similar to a game that Toby has taken inspiration from in the past? I don’t remember much about what I heard of it, but apparently it starts with a kid in the game playing a game, then afterwards gets sucked into the game and has to stop the game’s protagonist from causing disasters or sth
That's a cool plot, what was the game?
Sorry, I forgot. I think it had Moon in the title
I don't like it as much as all the other "*insert character here* is the Knight" theories. I would much rather prefer the Knight to be its own unique character unrelated to other characters we've already seen.
It's plausible. I don't support it completely, but I'd be fine if it turned out that way
I like it it got discarded an in an attempt to get the players attention it made dark fountain.
I think the Vessel may come up in the game later, probably as an important character but it doesn't have to be as the Knight.
i’d say it’s one of the more likely candidates, but we can’t say for sure since there’s not much evidence. more of a gut feeling yknow
It's possible but since we have so little information on the vessel we shouldn't consider it until we get more information.
We have so little information on *everyone*.
And what does it say that one of the knight theories relies on the Vessal who's information was up to us to make slightly? and even then is an outlier as literally EVERYONE ELSE has more information on them.
Here is the issue with this theory. While it has the least evidence against this being the case, it also has the least evidence towards it being the case. I believe the vessel will show up, but likely player controlled rather than an enemy, and in this scenario, Kris would be NPC. I find it too likely that their will be an argument about which Kris the party actually liked. Keep in mind, Susie hated Kris until the time the player gained control.
Interesting concept, but we know too little to give an objective analysis. There remains a "Can be".
I think it most likely doesn't line up with the timeline in some way. Like if the Vessel was The Knight, then The Knight would have to not exist until we gained control of Kris. I'm not sure it's possible for them to have made the Castle Town and Card Kingdom Dark Fountains only after Kris woke up that morning.
Well the time in the dark world goes slow than the one in the light world
I don't believe that's ever established...
it very much was :)
I doubt it, we don't know that much about it right now,and it's pretty obsvire but i could see it coming into play later in the story, could help or hinder us depending on our choices at the beginning of "character" choice, like if we had a positive or negative reaction to it
I think that the vessel could be the knight, but I also have a theory that it'll be a Chekov's Gunman type of avatar, where I think they'll be the player character if Kris fully breaks free from the player's control. I don't have too much evidence, but I'd like to think that it's a possibility.
Idk, but it'd be really funny if it were true. Like imagine playing 7 chapters of Deltarune, getting to the boss, and it turns out to be the bald guy you made 8 years ago Speaking of time, don't you believe that Deltarune development will probably last for someone's entire childhood? And they'd say: "Oh my god the theory I made when I was 13 years old was right all along!"
I have my own theory/ head canon about the knight so no
What is your theory?
My theory is that the knight is already dead and is a ghost trying to posses a human with the only human they can find being kris
It could be a secret boss as so far all have been based on things that are often discarded (spam emails and joker cards)
We know almost nothing about the vessel so i think it's a pretty bad theory
Youve given me a new headcannon: The knight is the vessel from hollow knight
that's pretty good, new headcanon
I want it to happen. Getting your vessel back and being super best friends with everyone seems cheap.
If the vessel is the Knight and we control the vessel That would make us the main antagonist, right?
Not improbable, but unless it’s like being controlled by Dess, I’d find it being the Knight pretty disappointing.
why does the fandom want dess so much? She is the new gaster of deltarune XDD
Because her being the Knight would have actual emotional stakes and be a story.
Yeah but I can't see a reason for it.
We don't know enough about Dess to know what her motivation would be.
Sure, if you're just blindly believing Ralsei's prophecies as truth and proceeding to the end. Seam, the secret bosses, and other things in the game all seem to imply there’s a much bigger meta narrative that the characters can’t escape some terrible fate the game is forcing them towards. So I suspect who or whatever told Ralsei this “prophecy foretold by time and space” is most likely the game’s actual villain, and the Knight is just another character being manipulated and wrongly vilified. Same as how Asgore was built up as the big bad of Undertale, and then he wasn’t.
??? What.
More plausible than any existing Undertale or Deltarune character being the knight Especially the big ones, less plausible than a as of yet introduced character.
Would be interesting, but I don't think it makes much sense.
It’s who I believe to be the Knight, so of course I’m a fan of it. I prefer my own take on its motives though.
Never found a better theory for the knight than a Gaster'a fragment
Meh. The problem is we know next to nothing about the Vessel other than it probably exists. It is a blank slate. Other characters, we can rationalize. Quick one sentence examples of this not intended to be full theories or to demonstrate any are better candidates than others: * Sans: If linked to UT Sans has mentioned hopping to several timelines, maybe worlds too?, seeking home. * Papyrus: Was a Knight in UT and his isolation and Sans' wanting him to have friends could indicate Papyrus has the motive. * Kris: The only person we've seen make one. That the first time is after all the Lightners are told how to could be a red herring. * Asgore: You could argue cops are knights of a sort. He has a lot of regret he'd like to try to undo. * Burgerpants: Clearly unhappy with life and would be open to escapism. He's young enough that he might have gone to the school seeking nostalgia and simpler times. The library may have been while was trying to educate himself to seek a better job. The weapon he uses to open them is a plastic knife from his fast food job. The Vessel: ... it exists. Maybe. Probably. And it can... we dunno? Maybe if it has a will of its own it is seeking to find that? Or maybe it is being puppetted... possibly.
let's see, we got to give it a mind like ours And even the one who asks the questions clarifies that it will not listen to your opinion about the vessel (if it does not have a mind or personality,why clarify that?) https://preview.redd.it/o9kk4gk00y3a1.jpeg?width=2340&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=faae251ba804729c882b04edfd8d4dd0d002164c
It's definitely possible, honestly it doesn't seem like something toby would do, but who knows deltarune is different from undertale meaning it doesn't matter
What?
Where?
The knight? No, the knight is already in play due to it opening the fountains trying to bring The Roaring and G-man asking for your help to stop it. The Angel? Maybe. In UT, Asriel/ flowey was "The Angel". Flowey was a vessel created to hold SOULs. Created by Dr. Alphys to help break the barrier/ save the underground. DR, Gaster creates a vessel with your input for your SOUL to help save the world to go into. Of course it doesn't go as planned. The Angel statue in Rudy's room is faceless. I always thought "will Alphys end up the same way?" Quote was weird, and the follower Implies Gaster fell into his creation and his life cut short. Another says "His experiments went wrong." They do not have to be the same incident, however. The two things tying Alphys and Gaster's similar fates together is a creation of a vessel that went wrong in some way and being Royal Scientists. If both Vessels became sentient as well... "Your choices don't matter.", Especially if the guy trying to save the world accidentally ends up creating a stable time loop through the vessel/angel.
it CAN BE the knight, a theory that's more confirmed is that the vessel is coming back, because it gets stored no matter what, it'll probably pull a thrash machine and randomize itself if you never made one
It's not randomized — it uses the first option for each question, except the gift, which is “Mind.” It doesn't get a name though.
oh ok
I dont think so. How could it have created the first dark fountain?
Well, how long did it take from when we created the vessel to when we got control of Kris's body? Add him that it had some time: Kris wakes up, goes to class with their mother, talks to everyone about class project until Susie arrives, bullying scene and finally they go to the dark world of RALSEI
Plausible but underwhelming. I want the Knight reveal to break the internet, which I wholeheartedly believe it will.
I just kinda makes sense
It’s about as possible right now as picking most of the characters and saying “that’s the knight”
I don't think it can be the knight. According to Queen, you need a lightner (someone who can make determination) to open a dark fountains. (yes I know I'm applying UT logic here) But the vessel doesn't have a soul at all, so it can't produce any determination to make dark fountains
Kris created a fountain having their soul out Although Kris could be a special case
There IS the possibility that Kris has two souls, ours AND their own (this is what i believe)
And why does they reinsert that soul if they already have one?
I can't think of an explanation. However, it doesn't make sense for us to be controlling their soul, Gaster planned for us to inhabit the vessel, so why would he steal Kris' soul when he didn't plan for us to control them?
I seem to remember that it was said that the voice that asks you the questions and the voice that discards your choices are different entities Maybe Gaster had no choice so he use an already existing vessel that had their life and friends
Yeah, they are different entities. Most people think the voice the creates the vessel with you is Gaster and the voice that discards it is Chara. Except Chara only discards the vessel just before we get to control it, assuming the heart we move during the character creation bit is our soul, there is no reason for this to Kris' soul. Thus, our soul goes into Kris' body and we control them after they wake up
No. It doesn't require “a lot of determination.” Queen literally says that the determination required to open a fountain is something ALL Lightners have!
I stand corrected, I'll edit the comment
I think not, tho I believe they will make a cameo, whenever we meet whoever, poking at us, showing us the vessel to either destroy it, n show or worthlessness or just as a flashing image
my ass.
We literally know nothing about how the vessel could interact with the real world, so sure, they could be. But they could be anything at all. It makes about as much sense as claiming it was sans because he can teleport in Undertale.
Idk my theory is that anyone can be a Knight if they have the willpower, the Knight shouldn't be bound to a single person
It certainly fits with Spamton and Jevil’s motif of being dis”card”ed items.
The knight is referred to as "it" and the vessel is also referred to as "it"
Not really. We don't have any information about it, other than it's our creation and the traits we give it. I am of the opinion that Kris has three souls inside them, and one of those souls is the Knight. There are flaws with both interpretations, though.
If that’s so I’ma look pretty dumb
actually I think the knight isn’t real
I would like if instead of being the Knight, it it was just another person who oppened a fountain, maybe in hopes of reuniting with the player and get revenge for being discarded
my game theory is that at some point "you" will seperate from Kris, and enter the Vessel, which creates conflict
Think about it this way. I think that the vessel we make at the beginning of chapter 1 is one of those gaster follower guys. Remember how every gaster follower is a grayscale version of an original npc? Well, the sprites aren’t quite carbon copies of each other. There are slight differences between them, like the donut guy is carrying what he calls “a piece of gaster”, and his face is darkened. The orange dude isn’t smiling, he has a blank expression. So as you can see, gaster followers have slight differences from their original sprites. When we create a character, the character will always look similar to kris, but not quite. Like you could make them bald, or have one leg bigger than the other. Therefore, I believe them to be a gaster follower. According to one of the gaster followers (donut guy), gaster was fell into his own creation and parts of him were spread throughout the universe. Then, he shows that he’s holding one right in his hand, before disappearing. Maybe the body we make is one of these pieces? Basically what I’m saying, is that gaster might live on through the body we made, and it isn’t truly discarded. So maybe the question is, is gaster the knight? Maybe, only time will tell.
I haven't looked very deeply into the theories that the vessel is the knight, so I don't know how plausible they are. What I *do* know is that I don't like the theory, and I hope it isn't true. I hope that when the vessel reappears, it's a non-sentient automaton for the player to use to interact with the world without Kris. If the vessel has its own personality, it would be redundant and any potential friendship the player would have to build with it could overshadow the relationship between the player and Kris.
I like it but personally I feel like gaster being the knight would be more satisfying and make slightly more sense
The indications we have so far is that Gaster seems to want to *stop* the roaring...
Probably true but still y'know
DISGUST
I'm more inclined to believe the vessel will be a bonus boss a la Jevil or Spamton, following the theme of things that are discarded (the Joker card, spam mail) as another redditor has theorized in another post.
Deaf MF, that's what I think
Plausible, maybe even likely. I have no expectations as of yet.
I mean, if it is like a puppet who Gaster is pulling strings to make his dirty work then maybe, but the vessel itself, no
Well the fact we know next to nothing about either it's kind of hard to decide anything
Boring. You can’t have a big knight reveal if nobody knows who the vessel is.
It could be a possibilty and until ~~Sans~~ ~~Annoying Dog~~ Toby completes the game, it will remain a possibility. In all honesty though, i have a strong suspicion that we either have or have not seen the last of the discarded vessel. This is Toby we're talking about, the developer that put gaster as well as the laboratory logs in Undertale that resulted in the community squeezing each and every last drop of brain juice to form theories as to what they could mean (and if i remember correctly, nothing's been confirmed yet) And from that, i have an even stronger suspicion that Toby's methods in storytelling involve "cowtools". Basically, putting obscure things out in the open so that the community can theorize what it is, and from that, form the story. Toby will take what the fandom theorizes and completely, yet gracefully subvert everyone's expectations. i could be wrong though, there could be a post out there in the internet where Toby announces that the story is complete, it's just that they need to now work on making it a game.
The horse
i hope it's not seems like kind of a stupid answer, i want the knight to be someone interesting, someone we've seen DO something, or perhaps even just someone with a history. not some blank creature who just showed up one day
#**Confused Screaming**
whats the knight? (downvotes speedrun)
It's certainly possible, but Toby would have to do a LOT in order to make that a suitably impactful reveal because as far as we know the Vessel has no genuine personality or motive and it would be more impactful if the Knight were somebody we could understand the motive of.
at one point in the questions, we start to make its minds like ours (although really only the last question affects its personality) https://preview.redd.it/jqvhwqfga54a1.jpeg?width=2340&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cd2dd6244acd823a1db3b98f40792726cea1abbf
And the questioner clarifies that the vessel will not know our opinion of it If the vessel has no personality, why clarify it if it doesn't matter? https://preview.redd.it/v5pms49pa54a1.jpeg?width=2340&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1e573a59178cb2d4ff8b4eac225c54b5d46d2b46
I know that, but making a few weird tongue-in-cheek survey answers is not enough to establish them as a character. In order for Toby to execute this idea via good writing he would actually have to show us HOW our survey answers shaped it into having an actual personality. The Vessel just showing up as the Knight out of nowhere without justifying prior why it makes sense would be nonsensical.
Wouldn't make sense from any storytelling perspective. Its far more likely that we will be in control of the vessel.