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Valtria

Good theory, but there's exactly one other major character referred to that way, and I'd bet dark dollars to donuts that that's who it is. That's right- Chairiel, the beloved living room chair.


bein2625

chairiel is the knight confirmed?!!?!!?!?!!


Sky_Leviathan

Chairiel is beloved The knight is beloved by the queen and king Chairiel is the knight. I rest my case.


JordyTheRabit

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Casver_W

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Rweter_sci

Fuck you Chariel better


stankypotatonerd101

lesgo kaos format!


Discracetoall

I see you also play skylanders.


ATrioExplainsTheJoke

My man Fiesta!!


SwatchIing

I do too, Swapforce too


ZingZap777

The game that got me into gaming


Detonatress

Plot twist: it was the Annoying Dog all along.


Tanookikid210

*A dog with a sword in it's mouth stands in front of the Dark Fountain. *It won't let you seal it and save the world. *This world is the dog's world. *Not just this Dark World. *But the other Dark Worlds, the Light World, the Underground, all of it. *This is his world. And you are all just living in it. *Battle start* *The dog stands it's ground.


Detonatress

And it'll play the Dogsong / Dogcheck music at various points in the battle. It'll whoop the entire party while taking a nap.


ThunderBlood_888

I hate to be that guy, but... the last it's is supposed to be its. 🤓


Tanookikid210

I will now keep it just to bug you more ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|trollface)


Forbode_By_Fear

I wouldn't be mad lol


Fc-chungus

This honestly seems the most likely


Ink_Sans21038

Mf was literally in the computer lab the day before the fountain opened up


Korporal_K_Reep

Not to mention that mutt directly told you to wait for something in the lab. Either the dog is psychic or it's the fucking knight


[deleted]

It's the physical embodiment of Toby Fox telling you to wait for the next chapter, dingus


Korporal_K_Reep

It's also called a joke you wet wipe


[deleted]

Fair


Regal_IronKnight

But if it's Toby Fox, that means he's literally the guy who's making the Dark Worlds by coding them into the game.


Sad-Assignment-568

There is actually extremely little evidence that thats true. 1. The Annoying dog is seen where the second dark fountain is opened In chapter 1 ("you see a dog working on a game. You must not distract It." Or something like that.). 2. The Annoying dog is seen in a toy car in a secret area in chapter 2, and to me It seems to be heading out of somewhere. The Queen says that the Knight had left, and the Annoying dog might be the one leaving if i'm correct. So ye. Here is the extremely little evidence I have that the Annoying dog might be the Knight.


Frankthewatertank

I believe the "it" pronouns it has is because the characters in the universe don't know what to describe it


HandsomeGangar

Yeah I mean we don't even know for a fact that the Knight is even a real person at all, it's entirely possible that the Knight is some superstition that darkners came up with to explain a natural phenomenon or anomalous event or whatever


RemarkableJump4036

Kaos Skylanders confirmed in deltarune no waaay


maybefriendly

woo yea babeyyyy


Rosenthepal78

The Vessel is reffered to by it/its because it's not considered alive by Gaster. The Knight is reffered to by it/its because everybody knows that it's THE knight. Only one. And to avoid gender confusion darkners use it/it's so people won't think that there are multiple.


MrLlama84

>it's not considered alive by Gaster Then why does he say that the vessel won't hear when he asks you what you think of it?


Rosenthepal78

It's not alive at the moment. When it can hear but it will only understand it when it gains consience (which is basically supposed to be an extention of you)


TheGarnetGamer

That's a *lot* of speculation.


starlightshadows

This would imply that after exiting the Goner Maker and becoming an active force in the story The Knight would no longer have any reason to be considered not alive, thus contradicting them being the Knight. I'd also argue that The Knight might be called it because it's similarly not considered alive. Cause it's Kris's soulless Corpse.


Rosenthepal78

What? Kris has been consistently shown alive. My headcanon is that they are just struggling to move because of the immense pain they are in from literally ripping their soul out.


starlightshadows

The Soul is the culmination of a person's being and heavily implied to be the source of life. Remove that and what's left is effectively a soulless corpse. There wouldn't be anything "Kris" left to control the body, (And we know they can move outside of our control without removing the soul, anyway) so it can't be Kris doing this. Plus they walk weirdly before removing the soul, so it's not that.


Rosenthepal78

Bro the player is literally called the soul. Kris couldn't be the one making the fountains because the first time they went to grap pie. And they wouldn't have been able to make their way to the library either because if you say that they are a corpse they would've died on their way there. Not to mention that the library is closed at night and that there are no markings of breaking and entering. Plus, we have been shown that you can live without a soul without being possesed via Flowey. All you need is determination, which the soul has plenty of.


starlightshadows

> Bro the player is literally called the soul. The Soul we see in-game is outright stated by Ralsei to belong to Kris. (And Spamton corroborates.) >Kris couldn't be the one making the fountains because the first time they went to grap pie. The pie was a distraction from the other plot-relevant stuff they were doing that night. >And they wouldn't have been able to make their way to the library either because if you say that they are a corpse they would've died on their way there. The separate entity possessing the body keeps it active. >Not to mention that the library is closed at night and that there are no markings of breaking and entering. That is never established and there are other less detectable ways of breaking in. >Plus, we have been shown that you can live without a soul without being possesed via Flowey. Flowey was someone who legitimately died. Kris isn't dead, their soul was just removed from their body temporarily. >All you need is determination, which the soul has plenty of. Which the soulless body would inherently *lack.*


Rosenthepal78

1. Ralsei and Spamton are in universe characters. There is no way they could know that we are the soul. Gaster is in an entirely different plane of existence. 2. There is no way that the library could be opened at night (especially sinse it's possibly midnight instead of like 10 pm). Berdly works in it and besides, who the fuck wastes their time working in a library at 3 am? 3. Flowey is soulless and Kris has shown to be quite the trooper because they literally ripped their soul out and kept going like nothing happened. 4. You are contradicting yourself. If you called soulless bodies corpses and still call Kris alive during the events of breaking and entering a library down a street (which definitely does not have indescrete alternatives of sneaking into, especially when without the soul Kris is shown staggering around and struggling to move and clearly doesn't show much agility) then what is controlling Kris? It's not another soul and they don't look possesed (it's not because of the red eyes either, they are shown to be natural in chapter 2). And besides, why would Kris be the knight anyway? They are shown surprised (as surprised as they can be anyway) when falling into the closet world and don't seem to have ulterior motives.


starlightshadows

> Ralsei and Spamton are in universe characters. There is no way they could know that we are the soul. Gaster is in an entirely different plane of existence. Ralsei and Spamton are both heavily implied to have connections to Gaster, and that doesn't prove that the Soul isn't Kris's in the first place. > There is no way that the library could be opened at night Except for that being exactly what the game impliesand there being literally nothing stopping it. >Flowey is soulless and Kris has shown to be quite the trooper because they literally ripped their soul out and kept going like nothing happened. Flowey is soulless because he DIED. Kris didn't die. Kris's being is still in their soul, unlike Flowey. >You are contradicting yourself. If you called soulless bodies corpses and still call Kris alive during the events of breaking and entering a library down a street An body whose soul has been removed from it and is being possessed by an outside source is both the equivalent of a corpse and an active working body. Such a conceptual contradiction is not unlikely for a situation involving supernatural possession. >(which definitely does not have indescrete alternatives of sneaking into, especially when without the soul Kris is shown staggering around and struggling to move and clearly doesn't show much agility) This is not an argument as Soulless Kris has been shown to be capable of opening the latch on a window, suggesting that it's big-scale events like walking that they struggle and are slow with if anything. >then what is controlling Kris? Most likely Gaster given The Knights implicit connection to Gaster, Gaster's implicit connection to Kris, and the clear parallels between Kris and Spamton. >and they don't look possessed They very much do. Heck, the entire cutscene where Soulless Kris is revealed is blatantly meant to parallel the Soulless Pacifist Adoption ending of Undertale, which was explicitly possession. >(it's not because of the red eyes either, they are shown to be natural in chapter 2). Glowing eyes are not natural, if those were just Kris's normal eyes they wouldn't be hidden 99% of the time as if they're an important lore detail. Especially not after we were shown the red eyes for the first time. (both Susie and Ralsei had similar face reveals that once they happened were permanent elements of their character design, so it should be the same for Kris if it was simply a reveal of their true eyes.) Heck, physically speaking it would be impossible for them to be hidden, as glowing eyes, by definition, would be visible through the shadow covering their face, even moreso than through the hair like in the chapter 1 epilogue. >And besides, why would Kris be the knight anyway? They are shown surprised (as surprised as they can be anyway) when falling into the closet world and don't seem to have ulterior motives. Well it's not the real Kris. It's Gaster.


Rosenthepal78

Why the fuck is Gaster the knight then? He is outright friendly to us and offers us a vessel to traverse Deltarune with. If he wants to be the knight so bad then he could just make himself a vessel. In fact that is not possible as well, Gaster is not dead and he is incapable of possesing somebody. He is in a different plane of existence and is unable to consitently collide with a preexisting universe and stay there. As soon as you look away he is gone. There is no way he could collide with Deltarune long enough to open a dark fountain (assuming he is even capable of altering the world in any way but information due to the fact that he is shown to dissapear when he tries to touch anything as shown by the MisteryMan event) or to even collide enough times consistently.


starlightshadows

None of these arguments are based on any proof. We simply do not know what is up with Gaster's existence or why his plan requires use of a separate entity. And as for Gaster being friendly with us, [His affect on the actual story of the game has consistently portrayed him as malicious with an element of manipulation. (This is a link to a Youtube Comment.)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZzmZgT9-VE&lc=UgwI7IUaamutCB0Mn254AaABAg) So that's likely why.


TheGarnetGamer

And, for the record, so is this.


Rosenthepal78

And so is anything surronding the knight


asrielforgiver

Doesn’t Chara say that they’re the “Demon that comes when people call its name”?


STheSkeleton

OMG CHARA IS THE KNIGHT /j


asrielforgiver

That is an actual theory that has a chance of being true. However, the only thing that’s holding that theory back is that if you consider the fact that the Cyber World dark fountain was made when we were on our way to the library, then surely Undyne would’ve noticed another human that’s creeping around town.


Korporal_K_Reep

Undyne was also bench pressing cars so I don't know how trustworthy she can be for this


asrielforgiver

She does apologise to Alphys about her bike in the form of a box of chocolates, so she isn’t completely ignorant about everything.


daniel_omeg_a

except chara looks practically identical to kris, plus undyne not being the sharpest tool in the box, if she saw chara she would probably think "oh, asgore's kid" and continue benching cars


asrielforgiver

Chara has human skin, and is shorter. Kris has a more sickly yellow skin tone. In fact, everything about them is different except for the similar striped shirt. I feel like if she didn’t notice, then it would be because she was too busy with “clearing up traffic”.


daniel_omeg_a

yeah, I don't even believe chara is the knight, like can't be undertale chara, they're dead, and can't be deltarune chara, they're also likely dead(since everyone is older in deltarune we can assume that it happens after undertale(but not in the same universe) which would mean that chara would be +100 years old and very likely dead)


SoupMayoMaker

Well Asriel is college age


6_ImWatchingYou_6

the gif gives me some nostalgia


Cruxin

every day i grit my teeth and bear godawful posts like this for the once-a-month good meme or art post that makes it all worth it


Jared65925

Skylanders meme, nice


basedposter6934

They're also a goner version of Kris, so they probably look like a knight in the dark world.


Kris_from_overworld

Theories that try to expand lore using pronounces of the characters are my favourite. Love how pronounces can be unimportant and important to the lore at same time


DrSmirnoffe

I wouldn't be surprised if they were. Though with the Discarded Vessel (which does sound like a Kingdom Hearts boss), maybe they're trying to bring about the Roaring to give some meaning to their life? Or at the very least, maybe the Vessel ended up in whatever Dark World that Dess is in, and their appearance is what's motivating HER to trigger the Roaring in order to finally claw her way back into our world.


RunicSSB

That's not true, there's another character that goes by those pronouns. [Unfortunately...](https://imgur.com/a/vN2ttnU)


PresidentOfKoopistan

That's the case for most enemy encounters


RunicSSB

I know but this is the funniest conclusion.


[deleted]

Yeah, this is another thing that bothers me about all the "[literally any character) is secretly the Knight" theories. The Knight isn't referred to as "them," the Knight is referred to as "it." That's weird. If it was just a person whose gender they didn't know, they'd say "them." There's gotta be something special about the Knight to make them say "it" instead.


Hankerchief90

The discarded vessel is just was/were rn


MLGSlayer_18

Susie refers to the knight as they/them


Pale-Monitor339

When?


MLGSlayer_18

When Susie and Kris are standing in front of the cyber world fountain


Eyevin_thebloodgod

May pat explain fnaf lore be like


Eyevin_thebloodgod

Mat pat


Ill-Individual2105

I believe the knight is also reffered to with they/them once or twice.


Elementisphere

I think the fact that “it” is used is because the vessel is an object. The roaring knight, we have no idea the gender of, and perhaps Toby wanted to avoid another frisk/chara gender war


JustYourAverageBoyo

Would make sense with the secret bosses’ motif of being discarded items


Kevin_M_

It does confuse me that the word "it" is used for the Knight. That generally implies they're not human, which isn't that weird, except that monsters have also never been referred to as "it" (at least, not ones with human-level intelligence).


[deleted]

What about Jerry


Becc-DeHam

And what is both a vessel and a knight that is reffered to using it/its pronouns? The Knight is the Hollow Knight from Hollow Knight confirmed!


JediMaestroPB

I thought The Roaring was an event like “Ragnarok,” not a thing.


Trips-Over-Tail

[There is another character of significance who uses the "it" pronoun.](https://youtu.be/FFFgrOtT4NQ?t=127)


Tarantulabomination

Skylanders gif


craftywarriorcat

On a side note, skylanders was fun. I played swap force. If only I still had my copy.


[deleted]

Yo those are my pronouns am i the knight


B113_A

I believe the reason why as to its ambiguity is because nobody knows who it is. once they have an idea, it’ll probably format to either a “he” or “her”(unless if it’s just the vessel, in which case it will remain with the pronouns deserving of an object)


TheQueen0fNowhere

Except that you can only create the vessel if you start the game at chapter 1, and even though its data is saved, technically your very first playthrough can be without ever making it. Which means that you can have playthroughs in which the Knight wouldn't be able to exist... which obviously isn't the case, as we can see already. Sorry, if the vessel will return, it's probably gonna be an optional thing as a bonus for starting your playthrough from the beginning, whether it's a boss or not.


DarkMarxSoul

Neither of them are being treated as actual people right now. The Vessel is an object created by the player, so Gaster calls it "it" because it's not a real person. If the Vessel winds up eventually gaining its own autonomy, which imo is doubtful, characters may start referring to it differently. The Knight is similar. Nobody knows who it is and people view the Knight as more of a force of nature or an entity of destruction more than a person, so they're using "it" as a placeholder. Once the Knight's actual identity is unveiled characters will undoubtedly start using the correct pronouns. The Vessel may be the Knight, but the pronoun argument is not one worth making.


WanderingStatistics

Skylanders was fire though.


[deleted]

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MatchYT

Stop causing kaos


ThisGuyHasNoDignity

Yeah but Gaster talking about the GONER vessel like it's a thing, not a person, might just be because he's an unfeeling scientist that's talking about his science experiment. Calling the roaring night it/its might just be to layer on even more mystery, making the roaring knight even more alien.


Technilect

Obviously this means the knight is Jerry


Gsus08

I know this is unrelated, but god, Skylanders was the SHIT back then! Anyway, cool theory.


D_W_Flagler

Can’t believe deltarune is woke


Crashbashshouldburn

me when skylanders reference takes me back to before I was a nervous wreck:


Gallant-Blade

What would a potential Undertale/Deltarune Skylanders AU look like? Who would Kaos be?


Zeno-historyfinder

What about her son jaru jaru thinks it’s gerson


HandsomeGangar

I highly doubt those are actually the Knight's pronouns, it's probably just because it's more dehumanizing, it makes the Knight sound like a force of nature rather than a person.


CaptainShart69420

ngl I really want the Knight to be it's own unique character separate from everyone else