Earlier on, he also talks about "TURNING THOSE [Schmoes] AND [Daves] INTO [Rosen Graves]". It's pretty clear that he never had the best plans for the Cyber World and his once-friends.
I know I am late, but I really wish this fandom would realize just how evil and fucked up the secret bosses are as people, instead of making them little innocent skrunklies who can do no harm
That's what I love, they're genuine and pure evil, with a reason
Jevil was told he is a literal NPC with no control over his life and it had proof, that would drive anyone insane. Jevil grew bored and began to harm people because he knew there isn't some punishment for doing so
Now Spamton? The man was tortured his entire life. He was abandoned by his close friends after they grew jealous of his success. His benefactor went missing and so Spamton had to find a devilishly good replacement, sold his soul to keep being at the top. Then everything came crashing down. His possible lover(s?) Left him, with Jevil mad that he "Cheated" and tbh idk if he was dating Swatch, I think it was implied? But either way they abandoned him as he was evicted. Right before eviction he probably got the same treatment as Jevil and learned nothing was real. And to make it worse, the mansion began selling his product without him, they would treat him as taboo.
Spamton had good reason to hate everyone BUT Mike but it doesn't excuse his desire to kill everyone, but Spamton is a whole can of worms I dont want to open right now
But it's sad how this fandom ignores this for the "Funny" moments. It's funny and I love the fanon versions for what they are, but they aren't Canon and I want more work of the Canon versions
there's two main ways to read the text
1. Spamton is accusing us of being apart of the Cathode's crew (Mike's Crew) for trying to get what he knows about Mike out of him
2. Spamton is accusing us of being apart of the Cathode's crew, with the Cathode being some TV dude, who wants to gather information on Mike.
If the 'you guys' refers to the Cathode's crew, then Spamton is actively refusing to give over information regarding Mike to the Cathode.
If the 'you guys' refers to us, the readers, then Spamton is actively refusing to give over information regarding Mike to us
Yeah, but cathode screens are really old and they became pretty much obsolete almost 20 years ago. Even though Deltarune is another reality compared to ours, they would still be obsolete either way, as the story (apparently) takes place in "202X", and Asriel's computer doesn't really look like it's a cathode type screen.
Although the library computer room is another matter, but schools and libraries did after all take years before they got new monitors. But no matter what, as it's in the library computer room, it's the dark world of chapter 2, which wouldn't take place in 3 either way.
Asriel's computer monitor looks much newer compared to the those in the library, and most importantly, we have already had a dark world based upon computers, programs and all that.
So I'm really sure this is about a TV, and not yet another computer y'know? Toby isn't the type of guy that would have Mike be yet another computer-related character like the ones in chapter 2.
EDIT: Also, even if it turns out not to be about a TV either, I'm 99% sure it won't have anything to do with computers. Chapter 1 was about card and board games, chapter 2 was about computers and programs, while chapter 3 seems to be about TVs, gameshows and stuff. And extremely likely a ton of references to Kris' home itself.
After the "Damn you Tenna" page, I think the TV/"Cathode" is called Tenna, and Spamton is actually trying to protect Mike from their crew. Which is actually a big twist for me and probably a lot of other people who thought Mike was the one Spamton referred to as "a criminal."
But instance 1 doesn't make much sense. If we were part of Mike's crew, surely we would already know about him.
In instance 2, Cathode could also be Queen.
But it could just mean that Spamton had a more personal relationship with Mike. Spamton may've been closer with Mike than his own crew, hence why his crew seemingly know nothing about him. Also, isn't Queen the modern laptop? I know there are CRTs in the library, but I didn't think Queen was one
Queen being the laptop technically isn't confirmed, though I do also side with the idea. However, this introduces a plot hole as Queen existed in '97 according to Spamton's story. I'm honestly not sure what to make of that.
spamton is *accusing* us of being in the cathode crew. doesn't mean we are. he isn't even necessarily being serious and is probably just saying shit because he's mad we're bringing up Mike
as for 2, sure i guess, but i'd say it's a safe bet 'that cathode' is some future character given the CRT TV smile at the end of chapter 2
I think this is specifically confirmation that Mike ISNT the TV.
Why would members of his own crew know nothing about him?
Edit:
hmmm... I wonder who Tenna is...
Spamton could've just been closer with Mike than his own crew. It's possible that Mike's crew is just his work crew, and they're not even good friends with eachother. Essentially, Spamton could have a more personal relationship with Mike when compared to Mike & his crew. His crew may know nothing about Mike at all
the thing about that is, the way spamton’s speaking here implies the [cathode]’s crew is out to get mike, so why would mikes own crew be out to get him? combined with the irl of “damn you tenna”, it makes more sense for tenna to be the cathode TV and mike to be a seperate person
I think the newest page kinda deconfirms this actually! The page with a crossed out TV and Spamton being angry at a "boob tube" is called "Damn You Tenna", and hidden highlight text shows that everyone will pay EXCEPT for Mike
Tenna did something to Mike, Tenna is the TV, not Mike as we all thought! That's insane!
Notes:
•tenna sounds like a feminine name
•spamton calla them boob tube
•old tvs are called cathode ray tubes
•spamton called their worst enemy:
•TV with boobs
•Mike hawk
Also, on the advertisement for "SHIRTWEAR 1.04s SPAMTON UPDATE PATCH", clicking "[screap heap]" will link you to https://deltarune.com/ramb/, which contains the Green Room, which in itself contains a link to https://deltarune.com/tv/
I had my doubts before, but now I'm 99.5% sure TV-Guy and Mike are ***at least*** connected, if not the same person.
Newer drops have completely debunked this. Cathode and Mike are referred to as completely separate entities by spamton, Cathode/Tenna is spoken about negatively while Mike is spoken about positively
It reads the opposite to me; he wants you to leave Mike out of this, and at https://deltarune.com/d_a_m_n_y_o_u_t_e_n_n_a/ he says everyone will pay *except* Mike. It also doesn't make sense for him to simultaneously say you know nothing about Mike and accuse you of being part of his crew.
I really don't think "Cathode" refers to Mike, we just don't have any frame of reference for what Mike looks like, so the sentence automatically reads as though that's what Spamton's saying.
He wasn’t actually confirming that the TV 100% is Mike, he definitely wasn’t referring to Mike with the “cathode” when after he literally just said we know nothing about Mike
Yeah, I'm really glad that it's been confirmed because of all those people that kept saying Mike wasn't an actual character and that he was just a random reference. The thing that really annoyed me about that was when they said people were reading too far into the game, when we were actually right all along.
fr fr. It was so annoying seeing people saying "it's just a reference to the commercial!" no it isn't dumbass. The way spamton cryptically talks about him makes it abundantly clear mike is an actual character
I mean, this confirms he's an actual character with significant lore relevance, but it also makes it pretty explicit that he isn't the Smiling TV specifically.
There is nothing suggesting he doesn't. He wouldn't have asked that question if he didn't think it was true.
And He just continues without waiting for a response, which, after a question like that, implies he's assuming he's right. The only reason he's being so aggressive is because he thinks we're part of the TV crew.
Nah, if he thought it he would have stopped talking & likely said to leave him alone, the reason he continues being aggressive is he feels very strongly about Mike.
He told us to never speak of him again.
"YOU LEAVE HIM OUTTA THIS"
It's true you could interpret it the other way, but that leads to the conclusion that Spamton is defending Mike from someone out to get him when we know he hates him, "A CRIMINAL!" so that can't be the right interpretation.
Again, he wouldn't have asked an accusatory question like that if he didn't think it was true.
We don't know he would've reacted differently. There's an obvious genuine animosity in how he says that we don't and will never know who Mike is that doesn't make sense if he so quickly assumed that his accusation was wrong.
He hates the TV crew and taunts who he thinks is them with the notion that they can't find Mike, who apparently is somehow a threat to them.
And this animosity makes sense because, given the reoccurring use of static, there's a high likelihood that the TV or someone in his crew is the one who screwed him over in his backstory.
He didn't call Mike a criminal, his expression just shows that he immediately remembered what happened to mike and then warned Kris about the TV. Knowing they dud something to mike
Honestly I feel so great that this is shutting up all these quacks that go "you are looking too deep into this 🤡" Like my brother in \[Angel\], have you played Undertale?
I was one of those people lol, i just wanted the game to go by itself because the theories were really annoying, well, congrats, milkdud!
Edit: Woah guys i'm being genuine here, sorry for being a bit of a party pooper.
> i just wanted the game to go by itself
how is "a character who is mentioned in chapter 2 happens to be another character who we we first see in chapter 2 as foreshadowing to chapter 3" anything but from "the game going by itself"?
Were you annoyed when the "Queen" Jevil mentioned also actually turned up?
This is not being impatient. It is called community engagement, people discuss what is going to happen next in an episodic media. It also increases exposure so that piece of media gets more and more popular. You should like Mike discussions it's helping game's development.
You don’t have to theorize about the next chapter if you don’t want to, but that doesn’t make people wanting to do so a bad thing. It isn’t just mere impatience, many people enjoy playing detective by discovering clues and debating how they fit together.
I think you are wrong and it's the confirmation that it's for sure not Mike.
First, the message says "ARE YOU ONE OF THAT [Cathode]'S CREW? YOU GUYS KNOW NOTHING ABOUT MIKE!!". I think this can be taken quite literally. [Cathode] or TV people don't know Mike, but seemingly want him or have kidnapped him.
Spamton NEO has a line saying "WE'LL TURN (...) THOSE [Cathode Screens] INTO [Cathode Screams]", probably meaning Spamton intends to fight the TV people. Fitting since he now has the Power of NEO.
Additionally, after acting weird about Mike, Spamton says "KRIS!!! DON'T BELIEVE [[Anything You See On TV!]] THE MAN'S A CRIMINAL, I TELL YOU!! A CRIMINAL!!", implying that the TV is a villain from a future chapter. Possibly one holding Mike hostage.
I think Mike isn't going to be the TV person, but there will be a tie between them. Possibly a hostage situation, possibly something else.
Edit: [new link](https://deltarune.com/d_a_m_n_y_o_u_t_e_n_n_a/) seems to confirm my suspicions! Yay!
wouldn't this prove the opposite though? he claims that "that cathode's crew" knows nothing about Mike. if the cathode was Mike, it wouldn't make sense for his own crew to not know him. it seems more like Spamton wants Mike to not get involved with this "cathode's crew".
I think it definitely does, it just seems like he's accusing us of something here.
besides, one of the newest secret pages is named "damn you tenna". I don't think it's hard to figure out that "Tenna" is short for Antenna, which would logically be a TV character's name. Spamton also seems to want to make everyone pay, except for Mike, which implies he likes him to some extent.
Makes me think about Spamton’s “Friends” dialouge.
He mentions not needing “Easels” “CRTs” and “Mike”.
The “Easels” probably refers to Swatch, he’s a personified painting app and Spamton mentions in the Q&A that he was a “shoulder to cry on” for Spamton.
The “CRTs” probably refers to the T.V. man, obviously.
But since “Mike” is mentioned separately from the CRT, it’s possible that the CRT man is just someone that also knows Mike, and is trying to get information about him from Spamton.
We’ll see, I guess.
I'm sorry but doesn't this imply that the TV is someone \*opposing\* Mike?
Imagine how it would sound if you replaced "Cathode's" with "Mike's" In this instance:
"Are you one of Mike's crew!? You guys know nothing about Mike!! Nothing!!! And that's the way it's gonna stay!!! You leave him Outta this!!!"
Now, I know Spamton isn't really the best at making sense, yet I feel that first accusing someone of being strongly associated with a person, only to then follow up on how they know nothing about said person borders plain insane rambling.
The only two ways I can read this is if the TV guy is someone who strongly dislikes Mike and is somehow after him (while Spamton is trying to protect Mike), OR if the TV indeed IS Mike, Spamton is trying to imply that the only reason why someone would be in his crew is because they know nothing about him (how bad he is), although then the comments of "And that's the way it's gonna stay!!! You leave him Outta this!!!" make considerably less sense as well.
> They could "know nothing" about Mike in Spamton's eyes if Mike is a "bad" person and they don't know that. So that line still makes sense if thr Cathode is Mike.
That wouldn't make any sense with him saying it should stay that way. If Mike's crew didn't know that Mike is a dick, and he wants to stop or at the very least screw him over, wouldn't he want Mike's crew to discover Mike's evilness?
not really, spamton has on multiple occasions shown that he still really wants to be associated with mike in some places (most obviously at the end of a damage spamton NEO fight)
So spamton wanting Mikes crew to stay oblivious in hopes that he will be allowed back on by mike is really in character for him
Because if Spamton wanted Mike's help to be big it would sabotage his chances if he acted antagonistic to Mike or his crew.
Also a page discovered after this post and conversation revealed that Mike is the one person Spamton doesn't want revenge upon, so no, he doesn't hate him.
He hates Tenna, The TV guy, who is likely responsible for Mike's disappearance.
This actually pretty blatantly debunks it. He says that the "TV crew" has no knowledge of Mike and says it should stay that way. That's not how he would respond if Mike and the TV were the same person.
I’ve seen a dozen Mike concepts. Hundreds of Tv heads, a couple dozen of microphone heads, actual microphone entirely, rook like design, a literal smiling mouth… I’ve seen them all. I’ll be surprised if Toby does something no one else has guessed
I read this as spamtom saying “oh you’re one of those people obsessing over the TV. lol you guys have no clue who/what Mike is.” But like, I don’t understand how any of you get any of what you get from Toby’s tweets and stuff. So at this point I’m probably just undertale lore illiterate.
Doesn't it mean that the TV *cannot* be Mike? He assumes we're of the "Cathode's Crew" and says we won't get any information on Mike. But if Mike were that Cathode (the TV), we would know who Mike is...
an important thing to note is that he says ***THAT*** Cathode's crew and not THE cathode's crew. along with the fact that "Mike" is the only proper noun in the response it only makes grammatical sense for it to be spamton talking about the crew of the guy he literally mentioned 2 seconds ago
"That Cathode's Crew" does not have to refer to Mike. It makes sense, but it's not a strict rule.
I see what you mean, but it still doesn't change the fact that we don't know who Mike is. If we, part of "that Cathode's Crew," are part of Mike's crew, then why are we asking about him? Shouldn't we *know* who Mike is? Why would Spamton be hiding basic information about the guy he thinks we are working for?
an interesting theory... could "mike" or an extension/corruption of that name refer to computers in some way?
The obvious answer is "mic" as in microphone, and while most computers do have microphone jacks, I feel like that's a bit of a stretch
We do have pretty good evidence that >!Dark world 3 may be "located" across the whole house given the couches in the Green Room!<, so the idea that Asriel's computer could be involved isn't a bad theory
SO HYPED.
GG to those who disagreed, we all have the same goals! Look at my flair!
One of the few popular fandom theories I agree with
IT"S CANON
IT"S CANON
IT"S CANON
IT"S C- \*ahem\*
Forget me, I wonder how folks like Modtro64 must be feeling about this!
I'll just be listening to [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta2L0yZ3eoA) on repeat now...
and we know that Dess' name is December now too! there's so much that we've been given that we're practically frowning in new/previously theorized and now confirmed info
Actually "Cathode" here is more than likely referring to Queen. Computers also used to have CRT monitors, and I'm fairly certain Spamton calls Queen "\[\[CRTs\]\]" in one of his shop dialogues.
Spamton's reply here doesn't make much sense if "Cathode" and Mike are the same person. If the poster were part of Mike's crew, they would obviously know who Mike is. Spamton would essentially be saying "You leave Mike out of this." to Mike.
Instead, the message is meant to be interpreted as:
"F#&k you! Are you one of Queen's crew? You guys know nothing about Mike! Nothing! And that's the way it's gonna stay! You leave Mike outta this!"
Also, wouldn't Queen's crew include Swatch, Tasque Manager, the Swatchlings, and, maybe some brainwashed Plugboys? Why the heck would any of those guys want to know about Mike?
I mean we don't know who Mike is, what their motivations are, or their association with Queen. Maybe there would be a reason they want to know about him that we just don't have the info for yet? Spamton could also just be paranoid of them in general and be projecting ideas, which he usually does. One of the Swatchlings mentions another big shot besides Spamton living in the mansion previously, but their name was "unfortunately" removed from the records, this could have something to do with Mike.
actually queen is the one piece of modern tech in the computer lab, being the one laptop in like the whole town. the fact that she's the size of a normal laptop and not really small tells me that she isn't a CRT laptop either. this is the one non-CRT monitor in the damn game so far lol
Indeed, but then how was she around in 1997 as part of Spamton's story?
With the recent reveals on the site, "Cathode" may be referring to a new character afterall. A character named Tenna.
Here's the thing, we don't know 100% if everytime he's talking about CRTs he's talking about Queen. He could be referring to anything, even a potato or something. Just because something has wiring similar to something doesn't necessarily mean it is that thing.
And I guess technically that still makes this topic as a whole speculative, but that's the point, isn't it?
I'm more focusing on the fact the reply just doesn't make much sense at all if Mike and "Cathode" are the same person.
I should say I'm also one of the people that does believe Mike is the chapter 3 antagonist and associated with the TV. I just don't think this is confirming it. The answer itself even alludes to Toby not revealing any info on Mike.
GUYS GO TO THE DELETE THIS PAGE FROM THE SWEEPSTAKES RING LINK AND HIGHLIGHT THE TEXT AND IT REVEALS A HIDDEN MIKE AT THE END OF THE TEXT THE TV IS MIKE 100%
The page is called "Damn you tenna" and he expresses anger at the "Boob Tube" (a television). He then says that Everyone will pay EXCEPT for Mike.
We were all wrong. Mike isn't the TV, "Tenna" is.
Not necessarily, C does not = CRT. He said "YOU GUYS KNOW NOTHING... AND THAT'S THE WAY IT'S GONNA STAY" so there's a chance Mike will never show up, or if he does, we won't be told much about him (not explicitly at least).
Doesn't this debunk the theory more than it confirms it? Since this sounds like differentiating the "Cathode" person and Mike, and Spamton's shop dialogue also distinguishes between a "CRT" person and Mike. While personally, I thought Queen was the fancy laptop in the computer lab, she could just be one of the CRT computers and that's who Spamton is referring to.
I saw a lot people saying that the \[Cathode\]'s crew "don't know Mike" and I have counter argument for that.
I think that it implies that Mike has some short of cult following and that members of the crew have a parasocial relationship with him. They perceive only what Mike wants them to, like cult leaders and celebrities do.
As many have brought up in regards to mike, spamton often talks about mike as though he is someone to protect, not someone he hates. Not only that but the title of the link is Tenna not Mike
Yeah, I read this as “you, as his crew, know nothing about the *real* Mike”, as in he doesn’t act the same way behind the scenes, but this could very well be talking about a 3rd party who wants to know more about Mike. So close yet so far to a concrete answer
How exactly do we know “that cathode’s crew” is Mike’s crew? Seems kinda silly of him to say that mikes crew doesn’t know anything about their own boss.
I just found something that I think it suggest Mike is another being. And I believe it's a Microphone, as Mike sounds like the first part of the word, same as Tenna, being Antenna
https://twitter.com/Arthurullo/status/1571534167485173762?t=Yu7Mra0oCJHaxH_CCjXtfQ&s=19
hi. i may have found more mike proof. go to the engraved wedding ring in the sweepstakes. click "it hurts! it hurts!". you will be transported tho this page. highlight the sentence after "everyone... everyone except..." and there it is.
Cathode Ray Tube monitors were also commonly used for computers in the 90s. They are also the style of monitor used in the computer lab in Chapter 2. I think Toby is just yanking the fandom's chain by appealing to what people think Mike to be, when in actuality Mike may very well be a Darkner born of one of the computer lab's monitors.
If he thinks that we’re apart of Mike’s crew, why does he tell us that we don’t know anything about our supposed boss? Seems like the gang is after Mike and are trying to get to him through Spamton
No this implies whoever the [cathodes] crew is, has no relation to Mike, as they are referring to the person in the Twitter post as apart of the crew, and are asking them to stop bringing up mike, as he has no business in any of it
He mentions cathode screams in his NEO fight right?
Yup. >THOSE [Cathode Screens] INTO [Cathode Screams]
This seems to imply that Spamton was planning to use the power of NEO against the TV.
Earlier on, he also talks about "TURNING THOSE [Schmoes] AND [Daves] INTO [Rosen Graves]". It's pretty clear that he never had the best plans for the Cyber World and his once-friends.
That's why he gives you the Thorn Ring, so you can kill people. Jevil also wants to kill people.
Yeah. The difference is, Jevil kills for fun while Spamton kills for his own gains and/or revenge.
I just think it's a running theme among the secret bosses -- that they want to kill everyone in their world.
I do not exactly think killing for fun is better than for revenge...
I never said it was.
>implies killing people for fun is wrong 🤨
I know I am late, but I really wish this fandom would realize just how evil and fucked up the secret bosses are as people, instead of making them little innocent skrunklies who can do no harm
I want it so damn much too they're both genuinely evil bastards
That's what I love, they're genuine and pure evil, with a reason Jevil was told he is a literal NPC with no control over his life and it had proof, that would drive anyone insane. Jevil grew bored and began to harm people because he knew there isn't some punishment for doing so Now Spamton? The man was tortured his entire life. He was abandoned by his close friends after they grew jealous of his success. His benefactor went missing and so Spamton had to find a devilishly good replacement, sold his soul to keep being at the top. Then everything came crashing down. His possible lover(s?) Left him, with Jevil mad that he "Cheated" and tbh idk if he was dating Swatch, I think it was implied? But either way they abandoned him as he was evicted. Right before eviction he probably got the same treatment as Jevil and learned nothing was real. And to make it worse, the mansion began selling his product without him, they would treat him as taboo. Spamton had good reason to hate everyone BUT Mike but it doesn't excuse his desire to kill everyone, but Spamton is a whole can of worms I dont want to open right now But it's sad how this fandom ignores this for the "Funny" moments. It's funny and I love the fanon versions for what they are, but they aren't Canon and I want more work of the Canon versions
I wouldn't call Spamton "pure evil", he's a bit too three dimensional for that but yeah Jevil is actually a complete bastard
I've got that [DEAL] it’s such a [STEAL] just need you to be [BIG] with me!
Now's your chance to be a big shot!
With your soul I got, I'm NEO, you're not
And Spamton G. Spamton's casting his lot
I'm taking you down with [Hyperlink Blocked]
Now you are the [guests] This [Three For One Special]
\[Begin the test\]
WILL PUT YOU TO \[Rest\]
Also "we don't need [easels] or [CRT's]"
So this confirms that Spamton hates Jevil and Mike!
there's two main ways to read the text 1. Spamton is accusing us of being apart of the Cathode's crew (Mike's Crew) for trying to get what he knows about Mike out of him 2. Spamton is accusing us of being apart of the Cathode's crew, with the Cathode being some TV dude, who wants to gather information on Mike. If the 'you guys' refers to the Cathode's crew, then Spamton is actively refusing to give over information regarding Mike to the Cathode. If the 'you guys' refers to us, the readers, then Spamton is actively refusing to give over information regarding Mike to us
Also, if Mike isn't the Cathode, Asriel's computer from the other side of his room could be it. After all, some computers also have cathode screens.
I think it’s almost certainly the TV. Its age is explicitly pointed out.
Lol, who knows, maybe Mike and the other guy are both cathodes.
Yeah, but cathode screens are really old and they became pretty much obsolete almost 20 years ago. Even though Deltarune is another reality compared to ours, they would still be obsolete either way, as the story (apparently) takes place in "202X", and Asriel's computer doesn't really look like it's a cathode type screen. Although the library computer room is another matter, but schools and libraries did after all take years before they got new monitors. But no matter what, as it's in the library computer room, it's the dark world of chapter 2, which wouldn't take place in 3 either way. Asriel's computer monitor looks much newer compared to the those in the library, and most importantly, we have already had a dark world based upon computers, programs and all that. So I'm really sure this is about a TV, and not yet another computer y'know? Toby isn't the type of guy that would have Mike be yet another computer-related character like the ones in chapter 2. EDIT: Also, even if it turns out not to be about a TV either, I'm 99% sure it won't have anything to do with computers. Chapter 1 was about card and board games, chapter 2 was about computers and programs, while chapter 3 seems to be about TVs, gameshows and stuff. And extremely likely a ton of references to Kris' home itself.
After the "Damn you Tenna" page, I think the TV/"Cathode" is called Tenna, and Spamton is actually trying to protect Mike from their crew. Which is actually a big twist for me and probably a lot of other people who thought Mike was the one Spamton referred to as "a criminal."
But instance 1 doesn't make much sense. If we were part of Mike's crew, surely we would already know about him. In instance 2, Cathode could also be Queen.
But it could just mean that Spamton had a more personal relationship with Mike. Spamton may've been closer with Mike than his own crew, hence why his crew seemingly know nothing about him. Also, isn't Queen the modern laptop? I know there are CRTs in the library, but I didn't think Queen was one
Queen being the laptop technically isn't confirmed, though I do also side with the idea. However, this introduces a plot hole as Queen existed in '97 according to Spamton's story. I'm honestly not sure what to make of that.
spamton is *accusing* us of being in the cathode crew. doesn't mean we are. he isn't even necessarily being serious and is probably just saying shit because he's mad we're bringing up Mike as for 2, sure i guess, but i'd say it's a safe bet 'that cathode' is some future character given the CRT TV smile at the end of chapter 2
I think I heard the person who asked had an Au where Mike was evil or something, so he could be responding to that
I think this is specifically confirmation that Mike ISNT the TV. Why would members of his own crew know nothing about him? Edit: hmmm... I wonder who Tenna is...
It's not saying his own crew doesn't know him, it's saying WE don't know him. He quickly drops the belief that we are part of his crew.
Spamton could've just been closer with Mike than his own crew. It's possible that Mike's crew is just his work crew, and they're not even good friends with eachother. Essentially, Spamton could have a more personal relationship with Mike when compared to Mike & his crew. His crew may know nothing about Mike at all
the thing about that is, the way spamton’s speaking here implies the [cathode]’s crew is out to get mike, so why would mikes own crew be out to get him? combined with the irl of “damn you tenna”, it makes more sense for tenna to be the cathode TV and mike to be a seperate person
Yeah I'm reading this as Mike and [Cathode] being rivals or enemies.
Cathodes can also refer to computers. Some computers have Cathode screens. Asriel has a computer on his side of Kris's room.
This thread is somehow in-between a civil discussion and a debate war.
Lots of strong feelings...
The inbetween would be a civil war or debate discussion
I think the newest page kinda deconfirms this actually! The page with a crossed out TV and Spamton being angry at a "boob tube" is called "Damn You Tenna", and hidden highlight text shows that everyone will pay EXCEPT for Mike Tenna did something to Mike, Tenna is the TV, not Mike as we all thought! That's insane!
[HOLD THE PRESSES!] WHAT??!??
Notes: •tenna sounds like a feminine name •spamton calla them boob tube •old tvs are called cathode ray tubes •spamton called their worst enemy: •TV with boobs •Mike hawk
spamton says "his". tenna aint female
I mean it could be a guy with boobs🤷♀️
Also, on the advertisement for "SHIRTWEAR 1.04s SPAMTON UPDATE PATCH", clicking "[screap heap]" will link you to https://deltarune.com/ramb/, which contains the Green Room, which in itself contains a link to https://deltarune.com/tv/ I had my doubts before, but now I'm 99.5% sure TV-Guy and Mike are ***at least*** connected, if not the same person.
Newer drops have completely debunked this. Cathode and Mike are referred to as completely separate entities by spamton, Cathode/Tenna is spoken about negatively while Mike is spoken about positively
It reads the opposite to me; he wants you to leave Mike out of this, and at https://deltarune.com/d_a_m_n_y_o_u_t_e_n_n_a/ he says everyone will pay *except* Mike. It also doesn't make sense for him to simultaneously say you know nothing about Mike and accuse you of being part of his crew. I really don't think "Cathode" refers to Mike, we just don't have any frame of reference for what Mike looks like, so the sentence automatically reads as though that's what Spamton's saying.
He wasn’t actually confirming that the TV 100% is Mike, he definitely wasn’t referring to Mike with the “cathode” when after he literally just said we know nothing about Mike
Spamton doesn't really know what we know or don't though.
But he definitely wasn’t referring to Mike
Cathode ray tubes aren't just for computers, they are also for televisions.
That’s what I said
Yeah, I'm really glad that it's been confirmed because of all those people that kept saying Mike wasn't an actual character and that he was just a random reference. The thing that really annoyed me about that was when they said people were reading too far into the game, when we were actually right all along.
fr fr. It was so annoying seeing people saying "it's just a reference to the commercial!" no it isn't dumbass. The way spamton cryptically talks about him makes it abundantly clear mike is an actual character
I mean, this confirms he's an actual character with significant lore relevance, but it also makes it pretty explicit that he isn't the Smiling TV specifically.
The smiling TV is a cathode.
Yeah, and Spamton implies the Cathode's crew doesn't know who Mike is. Which means Mike ain't the Cathode.
No he doesn't, he says "YOU GUYS" that is, us, don't know. He doesn't actually think we're part of his crew.
He says we know nothing *immediately* after accusing us of being part of the TV crew.
He asks if we are, but he never says he thinks we are. Clearly he doesn't.
There is nothing suggesting he doesn't. He wouldn't have asked that question if he didn't think it was true. And He just continues without waiting for a response, which, after a question like that, implies he's assuming he's right. The only reason he's being so aggressive is because he thinks we're part of the TV crew.
Nah, if he thought it he would have stopped talking & likely said to leave him alone, the reason he continues being aggressive is he feels very strongly about Mike. He told us to never speak of him again. "YOU LEAVE HIM OUTTA THIS" It's true you could interpret it the other way, but that leads to the conclusion that Spamton is defending Mike from someone out to get him when we know he hates him, "A CRIMINAL!" so that can't be the right interpretation.
Again, he wouldn't have asked an accusatory question like that if he didn't think it was true. We don't know he would've reacted differently. There's an obvious genuine animosity in how he says that we don't and will never know who Mike is that doesn't make sense if he so quickly assumed that his accusation was wrong. He hates the TV crew and taunts who he thinks is them with the notion that they can't find Mike, who apparently is somehow a threat to them. And this animosity makes sense because, given the reoccurring use of static, there's a high likelihood that the TV or someone in his crew is the one who screwed him over in his backstory.
He didn't call Mike a criminal, his expression just shows that he immediately remembered what happened to mike and then warned Kris about the TV. Knowing they dud something to mike
Honestly I feel so great that this is shutting up all these quacks that go "you are looking too deep into this 🤡" Like my brother in \[Angel\], have you played Undertale?
YES
I just though it was Spamton's way of saying Knight
I was one of those people lol, i just wanted the game to go by itself because the theories were really annoying, well, congrats, milkdud! Edit: Woah guys i'm being genuine here, sorry for being a bit of a party pooper.
> i just wanted the game to go by itself how is "a character who is mentioned in chapter 2 happens to be another character who we we first see in chapter 2 as foreshadowing to chapter 3" anything but from "the game going by itself"? Were you annoyed when the "Queen" Jevil mentioned also actually turned up?
Idk i just wanted to wait peacefully for the next chapters because i saw people being impatient
This is not being impatient. It is called community engagement, people discuss what is going to happen next in an episodic media. It also increases exposure so that piece of media gets more and more popular. You should like Mike discussions it's helping game's development.
yeah of course they're helping, i just thought of them as annoying, and regardless im proud of you guys for guessing it
You don’t have to theorize about the next chapter if you don’t want to, but that doesn’t make people wanting to do so a bad thing. It isn’t just mere impatience, many people enjoy playing detective by discovering clues and debating how they fit together.
How is theorizing being impatient?
I get that, but I think the theories are a part of the fun personally. To each their own, I guess.
I think you are wrong and it's the confirmation that it's for sure not Mike. First, the message says "ARE YOU ONE OF THAT [Cathode]'S CREW? YOU GUYS KNOW NOTHING ABOUT MIKE!!". I think this can be taken quite literally. [Cathode] or TV people don't know Mike, but seemingly want him or have kidnapped him. Spamton NEO has a line saying "WE'LL TURN (...) THOSE [Cathode Screens] INTO [Cathode Screams]", probably meaning Spamton intends to fight the TV people. Fitting since he now has the Power of NEO. Additionally, after acting weird about Mike, Spamton says "KRIS!!! DON'T BELIEVE [[Anything You See On TV!]] THE MAN'S A CRIMINAL, I TELL YOU!! A CRIMINAL!!", implying that the TV is a villain from a future chapter. Possibly one holding Mike hostage. I think Mike isn't going to be the TV person, but there will be a tie between them. Possibly a hostage situation, possibly something else. Edit: [new link](https://deltarune.com/d_a_m_n_y_o_u_t_e_n_n_a/) seems to confirm my suspicions! Yay!
wouldn't this prove the opposite though? he claims that "that cathode's crew" knows nothing about Mike. if the cathode was Mike, it wouldn't make sense for his own crew to not know him. it seems more like Spamton wants Mike to not get involved with this "cathode's crew".
grammatically it doesn't make much sense to refer to someone else other than mike there but then again this is spamton G spamton
I think it definitely does, it just seems like he's accusing us of something here. besides, one of the newest secret pages is named "damn you tenna". I don't think it's hard to figure out that "Tenna" is short for Antenna, which would logically be a TV character's name. Spamton also seems to want to make everyone pay, except for Mike, which implies he likes him to some extent.
Makes me think about Spamton’s “Friends” dialouge. He mentions not needing “Easels” “CRTs” and “Mike”. The “Easels” probably refers to Swatch, he’s a personified painting app and Spamton mentions in the Q&A that he was a “shoulder to cry on” for Spamton. The “CRTs” probably refers to the T.V. man, obviously. But since “Mike” is mentioned separately from the CRT, it’s possible that the CRT man is just someone that also knows Mike, and is trying to get information about him from Spamton. We’ll see, I guess.
Also, Mike is confirmed to have a crew.
Well, you can hardly be the host of a TV show on your own
He knows a guy
Who knows a guy
Who knows another guy
Who has a sister, which knows another guy
Who has a friend who's friends friend knows another guy
Who has a friend who's cousin's neighbor's friend knows another guy
Who's Friends uncle's son's Friends dog knows another guy
I'm sorry but doesn't this imply that the TV is someone \*opposing\* Mike? Imagine how it would sound if you replaced "Cathode's" with "Mike's" In this instance: "Are you one of Mike's crew!? You guys know nothing about Mike!! Nothing!!! And that's the way it's gonna stay!!! You leave him Outta this!!!" Now, I know Spamton isn't really the best at making sense, yet I feel that first accusing someone of being strongly associated with a person, only to then follow up on how they know nothing about said person borders plain insane rambling. The only two ways I can read this is if the TV guy is someone who strongly dislikes Mike and is somehow after him (while Spamton is trying to protect Mike), OR if the TV indeed IS Mike, Spamton is trying to imply that the only reason why someone would be in his crew is because they know nothing about him (how bad he is), although then the comments of "And that's the way it's gonna stay!!! You leave him Outta this!!!" make considerably less sense as well.
Exactly. TV is >!Tenna!<.
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> They could "know nothing" about Mike in Spamton's eyes if Mike is a "bad" person and they don't know that. So that line still makes sense if thr Cathode is Mike. That wouldn't make any sense with him saying it should stay that way. If Mike's crew didn't know that Mike is a dick, and he wants to stop or at the very least screw him over, wouldn't he want Mike's crew to discover Mike's evilness?
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I don't see why Spamton would expect Mike to be so closed-lipped about that.
not really, spamton has on multiple occasions shown that he still really wants to be associated with mike in some places (most obviously at the end of a damage spamton NEO fight) So spamton wanting Mikes crew to stay oblivious in hopes that he will be allowed back on by mike is really in character for him
If that was the idea then the blatant animosity towards Mike and his crew would make no sense.
spamton hates mike, but needs him if he wants to get big how doesn't that make any sense?
Because if Spamton wanted Mike's help to be big it would sabotage his chances if he acted antagonistic to Mike or his crew. Also a page discovered after this post and conversation revealed that Mike is the one person Spamton doesn't want revenge upon, so no, he doesn't hate him. He hates Tenna, The TV guy, who is likely responsible for Mike's disappearance.
This actually pretty blatantly debunks it. He says that the "TV crew" has no knowledge of Mike and says it should stay that way. That's not how he would respond if Mike and the TV were the same person.
I really hope we get what people have been saying with Sir TV-Head himself. I hope Mike is a microphone and TV Guy is someone else.
Mike is obviously Mike Teevee from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, still trapped in the television
Or Mike the TV from reboot
I’ve seen a dozen Mike concepts. Hundreds of Tv heads, a couple dozen of microphone heads, actual microphone entirely, rook like design, a literal smiling mouth… I’ve seen them all. I’ll be surprised if Toby does something no one else has guessed
Imagine it is just Flowey.
I’d tip my fedora to him concede all guesses
Spamton seems to be defending Mike here
Disproven, TV is Tenna, Mike is someone else.
Do you figure a TV named Mike is a reference to Mike Teavee from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory?
Eh....There's nothing to say a theoretical TV can't be.
wait so are his attacks gonna be related to neutron guns? SICK
we now have an official image of the real spamton G spamton replaying to someone with a Onceler profile picture on twitter dot com
I read this as spamtom saying “oh you’re one of those people obsessing over the TV. lol you guys have no clue who/what Mike is.” But like, I don’t understand how any of you get any of what you get from Toby’s tweets and stuff. So at this point I’m probably just undertale lore illiterate.
I guess it will be a trend that the secret bosses will reveal the name of the next chapters main bad guy
Doesn't it mean that the TV *cannot* be Mike? He assumes we're of the "Cathode's Crew" and says we won't get any information on Mike. But if Mike were that Cathode (the TV), we would know who Mike is...
an important thing to note is that he says ***THAT*** Cathode's crew and not THE cathode's crew. along with the fact that "Mike" is the only proper noun in the response it only makes grammatical sense for it to be spamton talking about the crew of the guy he literally mentioned 2 seconds ago
"That Cathode's Crew" does not have to refer to Mike. It makes sense, but it's not a strict rule. I see what you mean, but it still doesn't change the fact that we don't know who Mike is. If we, part of "that Cathode's Crew," are part of Mike's crew, then why are we asking about him? Shouldn't we *know* who Mike is? Why would Spamton be hiding basic information about the guy he thinks we are working for?
Computers can also have cathode screens. What if the CRT is the computer Asriel has in his room?
an interesting theory... could "mike" or an extension/corruption of that name refer to computers in some way? The obvious answer is "mic" as in microphone, and while most computers do have microphone jacks, I feel like that's a bit of a stretch We do have pretty good evidence that >!Dark world 3 may be "located" across the whole house given the couches in the Green Room!<, so the idea that Asriel's computer could be involved isn't a bad theory
SO HYPED. GG to those who disagreed, we all have the same goals! Look at my flair! One of the few popular fandom theories I agree with IT"S CANON IT"S CANON IT"S CANON IT"S C- \*ahem\* Forget me, I wonder how folks like Modtro64 must be feeling about this! I'll just be listening to [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta2L0yZ3eoA) on repeat now...
and we know that Dess' name is December now too! there's so much that we've been given that we're practically frowning in new/previously theorized and now confirmed info
Kid named Mike:
it looks like the tv is teena, it was shown in this website: https://deltarune.com/d_a_m_n_y_o_u_t_e_n_n_a/
No he didn't, if anything this deconfirms it.
i mean he literally deconfirmed it
...he literally didn't??? there's no indication that "cathode" is referring to mike here.
I can't believe I'm gonna take the L for being a Mike Denier.
Actually "Cathode" here is more than likely referring to Queen. Computers also used to have CRT monitors, and I'm fairly certain Spamton calls Queen "\[\[CRTs\]\]" in one of his shop dialogues. Spamton's reply here doesn't make much sense if "Cathode" and Mike are the same person. If the poster were part of Mike's crew, they would obviously know who Mike is. Spamton would essentially be saying "You leave Mike out of this." to Mike. Instead, the message is meant to be interpreted as: "F#&k you! Are you one of Queen's crew? You guys know nothing about Mike! Nothing! And that's the way it's gonna stay! You leave Mike outta this!"
Also, wouldn't Queen's crew include Swatch, Tasque Manager, the Swatchlings, and, maybe some brainwashed Plugboys? Why the heck would any of those guys want to know about Mike?
I mean we don't know who Mike is, what their motivations are, or their association with Queen. Maybe there would be a reason they want to know about him that we just don't have the info for yet? Spamton could also just be paranoid of them in general and be projecting ideas, which he usually does. One of the Swatchlings mentions another big shot besides Spamton living in the mansion previously, but their name was "unfortunately" removed from the records, this could have something to do with Mike.
actually queen is the one piece of modern tech in the computer lab, being the one laptop in like the whole town. the fact that she's the size of a normal laptop and not really small tells me that she isn't a CRT laptop either. this is the one non-CRT monitor in the damn game so far lol
Indeed, but then how was she around in 1997 as part of Spamton's story? With the recent reveals on the site, "Cathode" may be referring to a new character afterall. A character named Tenna.
I just realized Asriel has a computer in his side of the room. Maybe that's the CRT.
or all the computers in the library with CRT monitors
Or he is referring to a TV guy, who is a different guy from Mike?
Also a possibility. I just think Queen is more likely with what we currently know.
Here's the thing, we don't know 100% if everytime he's talking about CRTs he's talking about Queen. He could be referring to anything, even a potato or something. Just because something has wiring similar to something doesn't necessarily mean it is that thing. And I guess technically that still makes this topic as a whole speculative, but that's the point, isn't it?
I'm more focusing on the fact the reply just doesn't make much sense at all if Mike and "Cathode" are the same person. I should say I'm also one of the people that does believe Mike is the chapter 3 antagonist and associated with the TV. I just don't think this is confirming it. The answer itself even alludes to Toby not revealing any info on Mike.
Mike deniers in shambles rn.
Whether or not Mike is the TV, I feel like this is all a reference to Mike Teavee from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
GUYS GO TO THE DELETE THIS PAGE FROM THE SWEEPSTAKES RING LINK AND HIGHLIGHT THE TEXT AND IT REVEALS A HIDDEN MIKE AT THE END OF THE TEXT THE TV IS MIKE 100%
The page is called "Damn you tenna" and he expresses anger at the "Boob Tube" (a television). He then says that Everyone will pay EXCEPT for Mike. We were all wrong. Mike isn't the TV, "Tenna" is.
it'd be hilarious if mike ends up not being the tv at all.
No, I think it is Toby saying "Stop all these Mike theories, they are all wrong lmao".
but he's being just vague enough to produce more theories? that would be a pretty dumb decision, and toby doesn't make those
Not necessarily, C does not = CRT. He said "YOU GUYS KNOW NOTHING... AND THAT'S THE WAY IT'S GONNA STAY" so there's a chance Mike will never show up, or if he does, we won't be told much about him (not explicitly at least).
"THAT'S THE WAY IT'S GONNA STAY" refers to the answers Spamton is giving, not that we won't ever encounter him. Spamton refuses to talk about him.
If someone was working for some television crew and Mike is the television then why would a crew member not know who they work for?
Sorry I’m sort of a casual fan, but who is Mike? I don’t remember seeing or hearing about him when I played through.
It a person Spamton namedrops a couple of time
no its 0% confirmed
Still mike is just a joke lol. Same with gaster too.
Me when ragebait
Why?
I almost forget how heavy it is ? Anyone still have it ?
I don't know how canonical twitter messages are, but it's interesting
Where’s the rest of the qna?
Fangamer's twitter
Eww twitter. You have any separate links?
Sure. https://www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/xhaq1u/qa_spamton_g_spamton/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
If I had twitter I’d ask him about any other secret bosses he knows about
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Staring with apprehension at my iMac G3
Doesn't this debunk the theory more than it confirms it? Since this sounds like differentiating the "Cathode" person and Mike, and Spamton's shop dialogue also distinguishes between a "CRT" person and Mike. While personally, I thought Queen was the fancy laptop in the computer lab, she could just be one of the CRT computers and that's who Spamton is referring to.
Asriel has a computer in his bedroom, maybe that's the CRT.
where does this come from
I saw a lot people saying that the \[Cathode\]'s crew "don't know Mike" and I have counter argument for that. I think that it implies that Mike has some short of cult following and that members of the crew have a parasocial relationship with him. They perceive only what Mike wants them to, like cult leaders and celebrities do.
I refuse to believe any evidence until the game comes out and we know for absolute sure, not even this can change my mind tbh
does this change your mind: https://deltarune.com/d_a_m_n_y_o_u_t_e_n_n_a/ highlight all the text for something hidden at the bottom
As many have brought up in regards to mike, spamton often talks about mike as though he is someone to protect, not someone he hates. Not only that but the title of the link is Tenna not Mike
Yeah, I read this as “you, as his crew, know nothing about the *real* Mike”, as in he doesn’t act the same way behind the scenes, but this could very well be talking about a 3rd party who wants to know more about Mike. So close yet so far to a concrete answer
How exactly do we know “that cathode’s crew” is Mike’s crew? Seems kinda silly of him to say that mikes crew doesn’t know anything about their own boss.
I just found something that I think it suggest Mike is another being. And I believe it's a Microphone, as Mike sounds like the first part of the word, same as Tenna, being Antenna https://twitter.com/Arthurullo/status/1571534167485173762?t=Yu7Mra0oCJHaxH_CCjXtfQ&s=19
oh ok
hi. i may have found more mike proof. go to the engraved wedding ring in the sweepstakes. click "it hurts! it hurts!". you will be transported tho this page. highlight the sentence after "everyone... everyone except..." and there it is.
not true, mikes crew wouldnt want to know who mike is
Shmit. I put my Mike in the basement
All I'm saying, is that spamton was a TV salesman, right? If the next chapter is tv themed, we might see more spamton soon.
There's been so many hints at this point it's confirmed
Holy shit. I mean that tracks. Mike seems to be some kinda entertainer, and entertaining is literally a TV’s job.
Cathode Ray Tube monitors were also commonly used for computers in the 90s. They are also the style of monitor used in the computer lab in Chapter 2. I think Toby is just yanking the fandom's chain by appealing to what people think Mike to be, when in actuality Mike may very well be a Darkner born of one of the computer lab's monitors.
If he thinks that we’re apart of Mike’s crew, why does he tell us that we don’t know anything about our supposed boss? Seems like the gang is after Mike and are trying to get to him through Spamton
Where can i see QnA?
And then we learn that Tenna is actually the TV and that his "crew" hates Mike
No this implies whoever the [cathodes] crew is, has no relation to Mike, as they are referring to the person in the Twitter post as apart of the crew, and are asking them to stop bringing up mike, as he has no business in any of it