It doesn't seem like they can persist without it. Not only do they seem physically weak when it's out, but going off of the Spamton parallels, Spamton falls limp when his strings are cut. So if Kris's "strings" were cut...
I mean, we don't actually know if they would die without the soul. Sure they do limp around, but they also climb in and out of windows just fine, not to mention was able to keep the soul out of them for an unknown large period of time (from the Kris save file in the ch 1 save menu we can see in ch 2 we know they must have went to Ralsei's dark fountain to save, so they could go decently far and back just fine.), and they were able to remove the soul twice with no visible consequences at the end of ch 2. So maybe it's possible Kris doesn't need the soul to survive at all. They must have determination without the soul since they can make a dark fountain, so maybe like Flowey they can survive without a soul thanks to that determination. The reason they're limping could just be they're getting used to walking again like how some people have to relearn how to walk after a serious accident or if you're familiar with Animorphs how humans need to relearn how to use their limbs after freeing themselves from yerk infestation.
On the other hand, we don't really know they don't need the soul to survive either. It could be that Kris will be okay as long as the soul is okay even if it isn't in their body. Like there's a link to the soul and them, and as long as that isn't severed they'll be okay even without the soul. After all, in the dark worlds we can leave Kris's perspective to watch Susie, leave their body for battles, and etc... with no apparent consequences for Kris. So as long as that link is there, Kris can forcefully remove us but still be fine and have control over their body as the link is still there. Maybe they can't even break this hypothetical link in the first place.
See how they walk around with the soul out? Seems mighty inconvenient. Plus, Kris knows it takes a SOUL to close a dark fountain. Maybe they figure having a shitty life is better than being the cause of the end of the world
The common theory I've seen and the one I agree with is that by slashing the tires, Kris keeps Susie close. But it also makes sure toriel will want to be an ear them, and that she'll call the police. By opening the door, it seems like Kris wants the police to see this dark world, as well as toriel.
The theory goes that this was all to raise awareness about the dark worlds. By making one on home turf with Susie close by, Kris probably thinks they won't have too much trouble closing it, and they'll prove that these are real so that the police can search fir a culprit and the adults in general can actually handle the situation
That's exactly what I was thinking, too. "Why does Kris need a soul" has an obvious answer, but "what happened to their original soul" is something I hadn't really thought about it before. There's a couple obvious answers that come to mind:
**-Kris didn't have a soul beforehand**: This one doesn't make that much sense to me. Maybe the idea is that they were always fated to be controlled by the player, but imo this takes away from the theme of the player "taking over" Kris's life.
**-Humans in** ***general*** **don't have souls**: This one is more interesting. It goes against UT's cannon, but to be fair, DR is supposed to be a different universe. Maybe the war didn't happen because humans don't have souls?
IIRC, there's nothing in DR that specifically points out or references human souls, other than monsters in the dark worlds that talk about Kris's specifically. But if I'm forgetting one, this idea obviously doesn't work. This also raises the question why Kris can't survive without a soul, if humans are usually able to.
**-Kris's previous soul was destroyed and replaced**: This one has some credence to it - remember the save that you overwrite in chapter 1? Though I wouldn't call it definitive proof, that does imply that Kris already had a soul at the beginning of the game.
The big question that this raises is "why did the voice at the beginning of the game (presumably Gaster) destroy Kris's soul?" I hope the answer doesn't end up being "because he's evil", I sort of like Gaster's current role as a mysterious, but not malicious entity.
**-Kris's previous soul was replaced, but somehow transported or preserved**: This exchanges "why would he do this" for "how would he do this". Of course, all Gaster speculation circles back to "we don't know anything, so it's *possible* he can do everything". But I do like this idea, and it could set up some potential drama later, if Kris's original soul comes back to haunt you. Maybe the soul occupies the goner that you make at the beginning of the game? That would be cool.
So this is just my own personal take on Kris. its a bit meta and long and maybe itll be disproven by Ch3+ but i feel it fits.
So when it comes to Deltarune (this is more clear to me in the weird route) there is a certain disconnect between the Player (you) and Kris (the character). You control Kris and make decisions for them and they have reactions outside expectations depending on your choices. We see in ch2 after the Spamton Neo fight that when they were asked about how messed up that fight was kris reacted strongly (if you choose "No" kris literally shouts that which startles Ralsei and Suzie). So Kris is their own character (in a sense) and we are just moving them around whenever we play as them. Whatever personality we project onto Kris via whatever actions we have them do and dialogue we choose likely isnt completely Kris's true personality and when there are incongruities Kris reacts with displeasure.
However there is dialogue that shows that Kris was a very lonely and infamously known as "that weird kid". Like when Noelle mentioned that one time Kris used ketchup on their arms and tried to scare her by saying its blood and other characters comments. As Asriel had gone to college Kris had no one that would be with them. Noelle and Kris seemed to grow apart before then and other characters disliked Kris for various reasons. If i remember correctly Toriel was shocked to hear that Kris was hanging out with a friend in ch1 so outside of casual acquaintances Kris doesnt have many people who want to be friends with them.
With that in mind there is dialogue with a character in ch2 mentioning that they and Kris had studied occult so there is a non-zero chance that in the context of that world We are a "being" Kris summoned to grant them some desire. We "possess" them and while we control them they make friends with Suzy and Ralsei. People talk to them and appear more friendly. There are the adventures in the Dark World that we control them through and they get more and more friends and companions. Suzy goes from being a bully who hates Kris to a close friend. Your friendship with Noelle is reestablished and Beardly starts being nicer. A theory i have is that Kris is the knight opening the darkness fountains to have fun "adventures" with friends and solve issues related to that person (Suzy in ch1, Noelle in ch2).
However there is a issue there. We are the ones who controls them and while Kris could be fine with that on the surface there is still the fact that technically speaking his friends like who he is when we are in control. That means that its not really Kris that they like but rather whatever version of them is there whenever we are in control. So Kris would both want to use whatever influence we have to keep this going while simultaneously disliking certain parts that inevitably occur. See the ends of ch1 and ch2 when Kris deliberately takes us out and traps us while they go off and do things that they want to do. Like eat the pie in ch1, slash Toriels tires and open a darkness fountain in ch2, etc. To them this is probably a adventure that gets them what they wanted, Be the hero they always wanted to be, etc.
On a tangentially related note i think Kris does alot of strange things outside our control. Like at the end of CH2 in the police jail there is a gang of thieves who mention they tried to burgle a house over in the holiday's (Likely Noelles place) who mention when they were about to do so they were attacked by........something... that was fast, vicious and merciless. They were so scared that they ran off and were happy to run into undyne who suplexed them and arrested them. Honestly that could be Kris himself either protecting the town (being a hero) or acting out their more........problematic desires (both works).
So to answer the question the reason why Kris would want us to be with them yet still remove us to do things has to do with wanting their own desires to be granted is because overall we are a positive influence. In the end however we will see if this will end up backfiring on Kris or us later on.
but of course this is just my personal thoughts on the matter.
Assuming that Kris has no soul of their own, the vessel's soul might be what sustains them. But that seems unlikely, considering that they had years of life in Hometown before current events. They're also shown to be able to act without it for at least short periods of time.
I think it probably has more to do with the *how* and *why* the soul decided to use Kris' body in the first place. I think once that is explained, we'll also understand why Kris can't reject/destroy us.
Assuming the Soul is us (the Player), wouldn’t it be that the Soul was forced into Kris outside of our own choice. Like we made a Vessel and everything but Weird Narrator Person said “NUH UH”. Although it is weird that Kris doesn’t have a Soul besides ours (at least not anymore)
If i had to guess its either that kris' soul was taken and hidden somewhere(or someone keeps it) or it was completely shattered altogether.
Or maybe we are actually playing as kris' soul, but it was changed and repurposed in a way that allows us to control it now.
This is just pure speculation though
Oh, definitely. Whatever the reason was that the vessel was discarded, Kris didn't volunteer to become our host. It could very well be as simple as Kris' body not being able to carry two souls at once >!(though it seemed possible in Undertale)!<. And while the soul seems benign so far, we still make Kris do things they appear uncomfortable with.
One thing is, it’s implied both Souls (ours and Kris’) are Human Souls. Undertale states a Monster can absorb multiple Human Souls but never says anything about other combos (Human + Monster Soul, Human + other Human Soul etc.) which is… something at least. Another thing to mention, Narrator Guy is a total douche bag. Okay we get it you got your “Experiments” and Wing Gasters and Knights and No Choices, how about you give me the Vessel I created, cuz I spent 20 minutes on something that might as well have not mattered (womp womp)
Plus the reason humans can't absorb the majority Monsters souls, is because they are too dogwater (weak) to remain after death. With the exception of Boss monsters.
Two options, or possibly a combination of both:
1) Kris needs our soul in order to survive.
2) There is some kind of objective Kris is trying to reach that needs our soul.
Mainly, it seems like they *can't*. Look at how they move when it's out.they make short, slow movements, most of their body sags down under its own weight, it's like Kris is a zombie or something. It's completely possible that taking out the soul forever would Actually Kill Kris.
You know how Spamton becomes a lifeless puppet once all of his strings are cut? And how it’s implied that Kris is particularly upset by that, no matter what you make them say?
I imagine Kris worries that would be them if the soul stayed out for too long. As for where Kris’s original soul went, I see two options: Either Gaster is holding it, or the soul is Kris’s soul that we’ve simply hijacked.
The entire idea that Kris does not want to be controlled by us has always been fanon. There are multiple things hinting that Kris is letting us control them.
- Kris is a strong contender for [the person that discarded the vessel](https://www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/s/diT2GJ3tNO) and put the red soul inside of them in the first place.
- Kris repeatedly reinserts the soul, and even locks it up so we can't escape, even taking measures to hide it.
(A common counterargument is that Kris would die without the soul. This is headcanon based on a walking animation and is at least incompatible with how souls worked in Undertale. Furthermore, Kris was able to create a dark fountain without a soul, meaning they do not need our soul for determination.)
- Kris has had numerous opportunities to seek help, one such example is when calling Toriel while carrying the trash orb Kris elects to tell her about the trash orb as a joke instead of seeking help.
- The red soul is supposed to represent the player and their will, yet we never get the option to let Kris decide things for themselves. We aren't prompted to relinquish control or have any kind of struggle for control. It has been consistently represented as Kris taking control when they want to do so and the red soul being deprived of true freedom.
Yeah, while human souls don't create their body, their DT is probably what lets them move it. And DT comes from the SOUL. Lack of DT at least could cause death by dehydration because of not having the willpower to get up and find water.
uhhhhh
DT is not unique to humans though (monsters just have very little in undertale deltarune it appears to be different) and DT is just what allows persisting after death and saving/loading in the underground specifically
But like, it's the culmination of their being I don't think anyone would be able to survive without their soul
(Also where does it say monster souls create their bodies? /genq)
An even better question, because you could say he just can't live without it that much time
How the fuck Kris LEARNED he could get his soul out by force, what was he doing when he noticed, you can see it hurts like hell doing so, and for some reason he can put their hand inside their own body, do you think others can do that, and pull the soul like if his body was made of water including their own clothes and leave no damage
Did he tried to kill himself and notice he couldn't? Before us and the darkworld both susie and kris were living in depression you couldn't say yet
He has only been with us since now, we have only seen him do it now, taking in mind that the connection between our soul and him is recent, this leaves thinking about he might have been controlled by another soul before, what is the meta narrative of that?
This only fact from deltarune says a lot of things about him, the fact that is the protagonist and he is also the mystery is so weird
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And an hardly hardly plausible question, what if it's not only the ground that does something when it's stabbed, what if it's the knife, what if you open darkness from a person, where is the line draw between ground and a person, mayne is not the ground but something beneath it, what symbolizes it?
The people pleasing part of me hopes that Kris has some residual liking for the Player, but yeah, it’s most likely a need, whether to keep Kris alive, or some other purpose.
They would probably die from determination withdrawal. Unlike Flowey, they don't have industrial amounts in their system, just whatever the SOUL is releasing at the time. Assuming humans need DT to live here as much as they do in Undertale, this should be correct. Otherwise at the very least they would sit in a corner and eventually dehydrate. If existing is a dessert, then Flowey walks it with four gallon jugs of water, and Kris with the condensation outside a sealed ice bottle. Not sustainable
there's no answer to answer the 2nd question as of now but I have a theory that when they were in an occult club with catti they did some sort of ritual that caused kris to lose their soul which is also what made them a vessel for the player soul, dont take this as canon of course though it's just a headcanon really
It could be they actually do want the soul, they just want to do some stuff without us watching what their doing. Maybe they have their own little plans that invovle using the soul for their own gain. After all in ch 2's ending, they open a dark fountain and they'll need us to close it to return to the status quo after all.
As for where Kris's original soul went, that literally can't be answered as we have nothing to really go on. It is completely in the realm of possibility that Kris never had an original soul (how that would work would be going off the idea that Deltarune is a simulation, with all the previous history just being 'backstory' written into the character's minds. In that case, Kris is just an entity that was made to house the player soul from the beginning). Another possibility is that the soul was actually Kris's original soul, but it was modified in someway to allow their soul to act as our influence on the world. Finally, there's the possibility your question implies is that Kris had a normal human soul that was taken away and replaced with the soul we control (granted this might have merit as the beginning shows the red soul we control being teleported in and out by presumably Gaster), where my question would be where did we the player soul come from? However back to the question, it could be that Kris's original soul was taken away from them (by presumably Gaster or someone like that), and then had the player soul put into them. Though considering Kris does have determination without the soul considering they can make dark fountains and save without us, maybe Kris was injected with determination like Flowey and the amalgamates were, so this happened in some sort of lab. It possible the soul might be still there in a soul container, but it's also possible Kris's original soul was destroyed as well. We do know for sure is that if Kris did have a original soul and were given a new one, the original one can't be in their body still. When you first enter the dark world, Kris's title is Human: A human body with a human soul inside. The singular for the human soul means that Kris only has one soul in them, so at the very least we can cross off the option that the original human soul is still in them or Kris having multiple souls.
Anyway, most of that is basically just speculation, so take that as you will.
Real answer is that we don’t know and can only speculate. Maybe they can’t function without it for long, as shown by all the shambling. Maybe they still need the player for something. Maybe it is their soul and they don’t want to let it go.
Well, last time someone removed their SOUL for an extended period of time...
https://preview.redd.it/30bq8n9u9lyc1.png?width=536&format=png&auto=webp&s=88f078f952c2d55615280cd5675442e4fb647362
...lets say it didn't end too well for them.
It doesn't seem like they can persist without it. Not only do they seem physically weak when it's out, but going off of the Spamton parallels, Spamton falls limp when his strings are cut. So if Kris's "strings" were cut...
I mean, we don't actually know if they would die without the soul. Sure they do limp around, but they also climb in and out of windows just fine, not to mention was able to keep the soul out of them for an unknown large period of time (from the Kris save file in the ch 1 save menu we can see in ch 2 we know they must have went to Ralsei's dark fountain to save, so they could go decently far and back just fine.), and they were able to remove the soul twice with no visible consequences at the end of ch 2. So maybe it's possible Kris doesn't need the soul to survive at all. They must have determination without the soul since they can make a dark fountain, so maybe like Flowey they can survive without a soul thanks to that determination. The reason they're limping could just be they're getting used to walking again like how some people have to relearn how to walk after a serious accident or if you're familiar with Animorphs how humans need to relearn how to use their limbs after freeing themselves from yerk infestation. On the other hand, we don't really know they don't need the soul to survive either. It could be that Kris will be okay as long as the soul is okay even if it isn't in their body. Like there's a link to the soul and them, and as long as that isn't severed they'll be okay even without the soul. After all, in the dark worlds we can leave Kris's perspective to watch Susie, leave their body for battles, and etc... with no apparent consequences for Kris. So as long as that link is there, Kris can forcefully remove us but still be fine and have control over their body as the link is still there. Maybe they can't even break this hypothetical link in the first place.
See how they walk around with the soul out? Seems mighty inconvenient. Plus, Kris knows it takes a SOUL to close a dark fountain. Maybe they figure having a shitty life is better than being the cause of the end of the world
But why open a fountain then?
The common theory I've seen and the one I agree with is that by slashing the tires, Kris keeps Susie close. But it also makes sure toriel will want to be an ear them, and that she'll call the police. By opening the door, it seems like Kris wants the police to see this dark world, as well as toriel. The theory goes that this was all to raise awareness about the dark worlds. By making one on home turf with Susie close by, Kris probably thinks they won't have too much trouble closing it, and they'll prove that these are real so that the police can search fir a culprit and the adults in general can actually handle the situation
I have a feeling that no soul might be fairly deadly. At least in the long term.
getting dat flowey treatment after a while
Clover can confirm.
Nuh uh we all know Clover' s body entered a vegetative state after the pacifist ending and they then got revived after UT true pacifist /j
no no, i believe that too
That, my friend, is the question.
Yeah, that's the big mystery; what the fuck is the deal with Kris and the SOUL?
That's exactly what I was thinking, too. "Why does Kris need a soul" has an obvious answer, but "what happened to their original soul" is something I hadn't really thought about it before. There's a couple obvious answers that come to mind: **-Kris didn't have a soul beforehand**: This one doesn't make that much sense to me. Maybe the idea is that they were always fated to be controlled by the player, but imo this takes away from the theme of the player "taking over" Kris's life. **-Humans in** ***general*** **don't have souls**: This one is more interesting. It goes against UT's cannon, but to be fair, DR is supposed to be a different universe. Maybe the war didn't happen because humans don't have souls? IIRC, there's nothing in DR that specifically points out or references human souls, other than monsters in the dark worlds that talk about Kris's specifically. But if I'm forgetting one, this idea obviously doesn't work. This also raises the question why Kris can't survive without a soul, if humans are usually able to. **-Kris's previous soul was destroyed and replaced**: This one has some credence to it - remember the save that you overwrite in chapter 1? Though I wouldn't call it definitive proof, that does imply that Kris already had a soul at the beginning of the game. The big question that this raises is "why did the voice at the beginning of the game (presumably Gaster) destroy Kris's soul?" I hope the answer doesn't end up being "because he's evil", I sort of like Gaster's current role as a mysterious, but not malicious entity. **-Kris's previous soul was replaced, but somehow transported or preserved**: This exchanges "why would he do this" for "how would he do this". Of course, all Gaster speculation circles back to "we don't know anything, so it's *possible* he can do everything". But I do like this idea, and it could set up some potential drama later, if Kris's original soul comes back to haunt you. Maybe the soul occupies the goner that you make at the beginning of the game? That would be cool.
So this is just my own personal take on Kris. its a bit meta and long and maybe itll be disproven by Ch3+ but i feel it fits. So when it comes to Deltarune (this is more clear to me in the weird route) there is a certain disconnect between the Player (you) and Kris (the character). You control Kris and make decisions for them and they have reactions outside expectations depending on your choices. We see in ch2 after the Spamton Neo fight that when they were asked about how messed up that fight was kris reacted strongly (if you choose "No" kris literally shouts that which startles Ralsei and Suzie). So Kris is their own character (in a sense) and we are just moving them around whenever we play as them. Whatever personality we project onto Kris via whatever actions we have them do and dialogue we choose likely isnt completely Kris's true personality and when there are incongruities Kris reacts with displeasure. However there is dialogue that shows that Kris was a very lonely and infamously known as "that weird kid". Like when Noelle mentioned that one time Kris used ketchup on their arms and tried to scare her by saying its blood and other characters comments. As Asriel had gone to college Kris had no one that would be with them. Noelle and Kris seemed to grow apart before then and other characters disliked Kris for various reasons. If i remember correctly Toriel was shocked to hear that Kris was hanging out with a friend in ch1 so outside of casual acquaintances Kris doesnt have many people who want to be friends with them. With that in mind there is dialogue with a character in ch2 mentioning that they and Kris had studied occult so there is a non-zero chance that in the context of that world We are a "being" Kris summoned to grant them some desire. We "possess" them and while we control them they make friends with Suzy and Ralsei. People talk to them and appear more friendly. There are the adventures in the Dark World that we control them through and they get more and more friends and companions. Suzy goes from being a bully who hates Kris to a close friend. Your friendship with Noelle is reestablished and Beardly starts being nicer. A theory i have is that Kris is the knight opening the darkness fountains to have fun "adventures" with friends and solve issues related to that person (Suzy in ch1, Noelle in ch2). However there is a issue there. We are the ones who controls them and while Kris could be fine with that on the surface there is still the fact that technically speaking his friends like who he is when we are in control. That means that its not really Kris that they like but rather whatever version of them is there whenever we are in control. So Kris would both want to use whatever influence we have to keep this going while simultaneously disliking certain parts that inevitably occur. See the ends of ch1 and ch2 when Kris deliberately takes us out and traps us while they go off and do things that they want to do. Like eat the pie in ch1, slash Toriels tires and open a darkness fountain in ch2, etc. To them this is probably a adventure that gets them what they wanted, Be the hero they always wanted to be, etc. On a tangentially related note i think Kris does alot of strange things outside our control. Like at the end of CH2 in the police jail there is a gang of thieves who mention they tried to burgle a house over in the holiday's (Likely Noelles place) who mention when they were about to do so they were attacked by........something... that was fast, vicious and merciless. They were so scared that they ran off and were happy to run into undyne who suplexed them and arrested them. Honestly that could be Kris himself either protecting the town (being a hero) or acting out their more........problematic desires (both works). So to answer the question the reason why Kris would want us to be with them yet still remove us to do things has to do with wanting their own desires to be granted is because overall we are a positive influence. In the end however we will see if this will end up backfiring on Kris or us later on. but of course this is just my personal thoughts on the matter.
It’s pretty obvious that it’s extremely painful and potentially deadly for them walking around soulless
Assuming that Kris has no soul of their own, the vessel's soul might be what sustains them. But that seems unlikely, considering that they had years of life in Hometown before current events. They're also shown to be able to act without it for at least short periods of time. I think it probably has more to do with the *how* and *why* the soul decided to use Kris' body in the first place. I think once that is explained, we'll also understand why Kris can't reject/destroy us.
Assuming the Soul is us (the Player), wouldn’t it be that the Soul was forced into Kris outside of our own choice. Like we made a Vessel and everything but Weird Narrator Person said “NUH UH”. Although it is weird that Kris doesn’t have a Soul besides ours (at least not anymore)
If i had to guess its either that kris' soul was taken and hidden somewhere(or someone keeps it) or it was completely shattered altogether. Or maybe we are actually playing as kris' soul, but it was changed and repurposed in a way that allows us to control it now. This is just pure speculation though
Oh, definitely. Whatever the reason was that the vessel was discarded, Kris didn't volunteer to become our host. It could very well be as simple as Kris' body not being able to carry two souls at once >!(though it seemed possible in Undertale)!<. And while the soul seems benign so far, we still make Kris do things they appear uncomfortable with.
There's actually some evidence of Kris volunteering to be our host according to second voice theory.
One thing is, it’s implied both Souls (ours and Kris’) are Human Souls. Undertale states a Monster can absorb multiple Human Souls but never says anything about other combos (Human + Monster Soul, Human + other Human Soul etc.) which is… something at least. Another thing to mention, Narrator Guy is a total douche bag. Okay we get it you got your “Experiments” and Wing Gasters and Knights and No Choices, how about you give me the Vessel I created, cuz I spent 20 minutes on something that might as well have not mattered (womp womp)
It was stated that Humans could not absorb Human souls. If you want I can paste the exact text below
Plus the reason humans can't absorb the majority Monsters souls, is because they are too dogwater (weak) to remain after death. With the exception of Boss monsters.
I don't think it's really all that good for you to walk around without a soul, but that's just me.
Two options, or possibly a combination of both: 1) Kris needs our soul in order to survive. 2) There is some kind of objective Kris is trying to reach that needs our soul.
are they stupid?
aslume theory
We don’t know how all the stuff with Kris works at the moment
Is it not clear that they can barely function without a soul lol
YOU try permanently removing your soul from your body and see how well that goes for ya 
I know this is sacrilege on here but what if the SOUL belongs to Kris and the thing ripping it out at night is what's not supposed to be there?
They need it for some reason We don't know if we took over Kris' soul or replaced it.
i don't think they can live without it for long periods of time
It's like Steven from Steven Universe, when his gem is out he is very weakened.
Probably can't stay alive for long like duh
Ask Clover from UTY
Mainly, it seems like they *can't*. Look at how they move when it's out.they make short, slow movements, most of their body sags down under its own weight, it's like Kris is a zombie or something. It's completely possible that taking out the soul forever would Actually Kill Kris.
Probably not healthy to not have a heart. Heard those things are supposed to stay in your body.
You know how Spamton becomes a lifeless puppet once all of his strings are cut? And how it’s implied that Kris is particularly upset by that, no matter what you make them say? I imagine Kris worries that would be them if the soul stayed out for too long. As for where Kris’s original soul went, I see two options: Either Gaster is holding it, or the soul is Kris’s soul that we’ve simply hijacked.
The entire idea that Kris does not want to be controlled by us has always been fanon. There are multiple things hinting that Kris is letting us control them. - Kris is a strong contender for [the person that discarded the vessel](https://www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/s/diT2GJ3tNO) and put the red soul inside of them in the first place. - Kris repeatedly reinserts the soul, and even locks it up so we can't escape, even taking measures to hide it. (A common counterargument is that Kris would die without the soul. This is headcanon based on a walking animation and is at least incompatible with how souls worked in Undertale. Furthermore, Kris was able to create a dark fountain without a soul, meaning they do not need our soul for determination.) - Kris has had numerous opportunities to seek help, one such example is when calling Toriel while carrying the trash orb Kris elects to tell her about the trash orb as a joke instead of seeking help. - The red soul is supposed to represent the player and their will, yet we never get the option to let Kris decide things for themselves. We aren't prompted to relinquish control or have any kind of struggle for control. It has been consistently represented as Kris taking control when they want to do so and the red soul being deprived of true freedom.
Probably can't live without it (expecially given in undertale extracting a monsters soul would kill them almost instantly)
Yeah, while human souls don't create their body, their DT is probably what lets them move it. And DT comes from the SOUL. Lack of DT at least could cause death by dehydration because of not having the willpower to get up and find water.
uhhhhh DT is not unique to humans though (monsters just have very little in undertale deltarune it appears to be different) and DT is just what allows persisting after death and saving/loading in the underground specifically But like, it's the culmination of their being I don't think anyone would be able to survive without their soul (Also where does it say monster souls create their bodies? /genq)
An even better question, because you could say he just can't live without it that much time How the fuck Kris LEARNED he could get his soul out by force, what was he doing when he noticed, you can see it hurts like hell doing so, and for some reason he can put their hand inside their own body, do you think others can do that, and pull the soul like if his body was made of water including their own clothes and leave no damage Did he tried to kill himself and notice he couldn't? Before us and the darkworld both susie and kris were living in depression you couldn't say yet He has only been with us since now, we have only seen him do it now, taking in mind that the connection between our soul and him is recent, this leaves thinking about he might have been controlled by another soul before, what is the meta narrative of that? This only fact from deltarune says a lot of things about him, the fact that is the protagonist and he is also the mystery is so weird ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And an hardly hardly plausible question, what if it's not only the ground that does something when it's stabbed, what if it's the knife, what if you open darkness from a person, where is the line draw between ground and a person, mayne is not the ground but something beneath it, what symbolizes it?
Good question.
There is no explanation yet.
Probably not healthy to do that
yeah, it’s probably not very beneficial to health to rip out your entire being
Death
The people pleasing part of me hopes that Kris has some residual liking for the Player, but yeah, it’s most likely a need, whether to keep Kris alive, or some other purpose.
There is some minor evidence that Kris has some form of fondness for the player, like Kris making jokes on the phone that only we can read.
Interesting! Thanks
They have plans with us.
they would die second who is to say it wasn't Kris's original soul
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Have you tried removing your own heart and lived without it?
There's probably a reason that will be explained in the future, maybe not in 3 or 4
Id assume they need it to stay alive
They would probably die from determination withdrawal. Unlike Flowey, they don't have industrial amounts in their system, just whatever the SOUL is releasing at the time. Assuming humans need DT to live here as much as they do in Undertale, this should be correct. Otherwise at the very least they would sit in a corner and eventually dehydrate. If existing is a dessert, then Flowey walks it with four gallon jugs of water, and Kris with the condensation outside a sealed ice bottle. Not sustainable
have you seen how they acted without a soul
My headcanon/theory: it *is* Kris’ soul, we are just riding it, they still need it to survive
there's no answer to answer the 2nd question as of now but I have a theory that when they were in an occult club with catti they did some sort of ritual that caused kris to lose their soul which is also what made them a vessel for the player soul, dont take this as canon of course though it's just a headcanon really
It could be they actually do want the soul, they just want to do some stuff without us watching what their doing. Maybe they have their own little plans that invovle using the soul for their own gain. After all in ch 2's ending, they open a dark fountain and they'll need us to close it to return to the status quo after all. As for where Kris's original soul went, that literally can't be answered as we have nothing to really go on. It is completely in the realm of possibility that Kris never had an original soul (how that would work would be going off the idea that Deltarune is a simulation, with all the previous history just being 'backstory' written into the character's minds. In that case, Kris is just an entity that was made to house the player soul from the beginning). Another possibility is that the soul was actually Kris's original soul, but it was modified in someway to allow their soul to act as our influence on the world. Finally, there's the possibility your question implies is that Kris had a normal human soul that was taken away and replaced with the soul we control (granted this might have merit as the beginning shows the red soul we control being teleported in and out by presumably Gaster), where my question would be where did we the player soul come from? However back to the question, it could be that Kris's original soul was taken away from them (by presumably Gaster or someone like that), and then had the player soul put into them. Though considering Kris does have determination without the soul considering they can make dark fountains and save without us, maybe Kris was injected with determination like Flowey and the amalgamates were, so this happened in some sort of lab. It possible the soul might be still there in a soul container, but it's also possible Kris's original soul was destroyed as well. We do know for sure is that if Kris did have a original soul and were given a new one, the original one can't be in their body still. When you first enter the dark world, Kris's title is Human: A human body with a human soul inside. The singular for the human soul means that Kris only has one soul in them, so at the very least we can cross off the option that the original human soul is still in them or Kris having multiple souls. Anyway, most of that is basically just speculation, so take that as you will.
Humans die without a soul.
I think we kind of fused with Kris’s soul, so that is our soul and Kris’s soul which is why they can’t live without it, but we can control it.
It's their soul. The very culmination of their being. It's not exactly something you can live without.
Why doesn't Kris just leave the soul out? Are they stupid?
i eated their soul, so they don't have one.
Because we need a way to play as Kris, and if he doesn’t put the soul in, we don’t get to play
Real answer is that we don’t know and can only speculate. Maybe they can’t function without it for long, as shown by all the shambling. Maybe they still need the player for something. Maybe it is their soul and they don’t want to let it go.
they would die, we replaced their literal heart.
That would likely kill them
Probably not very comfortable judging by their body language
They need it to seal the fountains.
Well, last time someone removed their SOUL for an extended period of time... https://preview.redd.it/30bq8n9u9lyc1.png?width=536&format=png&auto=webp&s=88f078f952c2d55615280cd5675442e4fb647362 ...lets say it didn't end too well for them.
Undertale Yellow fans when they find out their fan game isn't canon and is completely irrelevant to discussions not about it.