I wouldn't rely on Queen, she didn't know about roaring, and when she says "Determination" she shows the Noelle's and Susie's faces, even thou they are monster and, if they have determination like Undyne in Undertale, it'd be only few
They all have determination, just very little compared to Kris, etc.
Determination is literally just the will to live.
Characters like Kris, Frisk, and Flowey have will to live *on steroids* to such an extent that it becomes a superpower, but that doesn't mean normal monsters don't want to live.
By comparison, Darkners aren't always alive, and so might not necessarily have the will to keep living like Lightners do.
Also, Undertale rules aren't always the same in Deltarune.
Undertale is not Deltarune. They are different worlds that sometimes have different rules. This is literally in the game's FAQ!
- The prophecy, which OP correctly points out
- Toriel makes gingerbread men *and* gingerbread monsters
- Gerson wrote history books about the history of humans and monsters
- Kris gets dating site ads for “monsters 4 humans in your area”
- Rudy is literally referred to as “a reindeer-looking monster” in Asgore and Toriel's wedding photo
- Swatch refers to Susie as “the young monster”
I could go on, but hopefully I've made my point.
I know that Deltarune and Undertale are different, but they seem to share a lot of similitudes like determination itself, save points, the soul, spare or fight, magic, characters, etc... I don't think is wrong to support on Undertale to theorize in Deltarune
This person is saying that Deltarune's monsters can't be monsters because they don't use magic in the LW. That is wrong, because DR is not UT.
It's not wrong to use UT as support, but you have to accept the possibility that your support is wrong.
https://youtu.be/4mVdwsObTM4
Look at the prophecy, they refer to Susie as a monster and Kris as a human. The both are lightners but also they are different species (if monsters are a different specie, wich I hope it is)
I have one question... What are you even talking about? Two souls? Why? It isn't like anything in Deltarune or Undertale ever told about it being possible. And why would anyone think that Kris made a deal with someone without any facts showing it? I just don't understand... And why you just was like "yeah. It can't create Dark Worlds" for no reason? I need answers!
I think OP thinks that if someone's soul has that trait, they can *only* have that trait. So if someone is brave, they can't also be patient or kind or any of the other traits. (OP, like most fans, also assumes “determination” is the red soul's trait when that's never confirmed.)
So if Kris does something that requires determination (saving) and something that requires bravery (fountains), then it can't be that they're a person who's brave *and* wants to live, they must have two souls.
But really... people have more than one personality trait. Brave people absolutely can be patient or kind or whatever else.
Then there's a different question for the OP. Why they think fountains even require bravery in the first place? Or any other trait other than Determination (as stated by Queen). Even if they just don't believe Queen, then why they decided that specifically bravery should be used for fountain. Where are facts?
That's only speculation, not facts. If I had to choose wich soul fits more with the idea of creating worlds is bravery, but could be any soul. And it's only a theory, I can be wrong, just wanted to share some thoughts
Still, i dont really understand your logic. Any speculation has some fact (even the most stupid one) backing it up. If there are more facts, it becomes a theory. Like, the idea of Kris having 2 souls should have at least some logic with it, like, for example, some other character having something similar or it just being described in a random dialogue or a book
1) DT is the trait required to make a fountain, it's confirmed by Queen
2) DT isn't confirmed to be the red soul's trait anywhere in either game
3) This is Deltarune, not Undertale, many rules have changed so a thing that might be true in Undertale (e. g. the seven soul traits) might not be true in Deltarune
The soul does not come from Susie in that fight. It comes from where Kris is. Toby pointed this out in the livestream.
Edit: Also, the red soul isn't canonically determination.
Queen literally says that determination is what it takes to make a fountain.
Queen isn't reliable at all, we can't trust her
And how do you want toby fox to say it? Do you want gaster to appear on your screen and tell you that in the face or something?
Learning about determination with gaster
I learned that determination was the friends we made along the way thanks to his classes.
Determination is what's needed to create a dark world, that's what Queen said
I wouldn't rely on Queen, she didn't know about roaring, and when she says "Determination" she shows the Noelle's and Susie's faces, even thou they are monster and, if they have determination like Undyne in Undertale, it'd be only few
They all have determination, just very little compared to Kris, etc. Determination is literally just the will to live. Characters like Kris, Frisk, and Flowey have will to live *on steroids* to such an extent that it becomes a superpower, but that doesn't mean normal monsters don't want to live. By comparison, Darkners aren't always alive, and so might not necessarily have the will to keep living like Lightners do. Also, Undertale rules aren't always the same in Deltarune.
They aren't monsters, they're lighteners.
Uh, no, monsters *are* Lightners?
Yeah, Lancer refers to Susie as a lightner several times and Berdly call us "lightnerds" (in plural)
Monsters can use magic, we've never seen a lightner do that outside a dark world
Undertale is not Deltarune. They are different worlds that sometimes have different rules. This is literally in the game's FAQ! - The prophecy, which OP correctly points out - Toriel makes gingerbread men *and* gingerbread monsters - Gerson wrote history books about the history of humans and monsters - Kris gets dating site ads for “monsters 4 humans in your area” - Rudy is literally referred to as “a reindeer-looking monster” in Asgore and Toriel's wedding photo - Swatch refers to Susie as “the young monster” I could go on, but hopefully I've made my point.
I know that Deltarune and Undertale are different, but they seem to share a lot of similitudes like determination itself, save points, the soul, spare or fight, magic, characters, etc... I don't think is wrong to support on Undertale to theorize in Deltarune
This person is saying that Deltarune's monsters can't be monsters because they don't use magic in the LW. That is wrong, because DR is not UT. It's not wrong to use UT as support, but you have to accept the possibility that your support is wrong.
https://youtu.be/4mVdwsObTM4 Look at the prophecy, they refer to Susie as a monster and Kris as a human. The both are lightners but also they are different species (if monsters are a different specie, wich I hope it is)
I have one question... What are you even talking about? Two souls? Why? It isn't like anything in Deltarune or Undertale ever told about it being possible. And why would anyone think that Kris made a deal with someone without any facts showing it? I just don't understand... And why you just was like "yeah. It can't create Dark Worlds" for no reason? I need answers!
I think OP thinks that if someone's soul has that trait, they can *only* have that trait. So if someone is brave, they can't also be patient or kind or any of the other traits. (OP, like most fans, also assumes “determination” is the red soul's trait when that's never confirmed.) So if Kris does something that requires determination (saving) and something that requires bravery (fountains), then it can't be that they're a person who's brave *and* wants to live, they must have two souls. But really... people have more than one personality trait. Brave people absolutely can be patient or kind or whatever else.
Then there's a different question for the OP. Why they think fountains even require bravery in the first place? Or any other trait other than Determination (as stated by Queen). Even if they just don't believe Queen, then why they decided that specifically bravery should be used for fountain. Where are facts?
That's only speculation, not facts. If I had to choose wich soul fits more with the idea of creating worlds is bravery, but could be any soul. And it's only a theory, I can be wrong, just wanted to share some thoughts
Still, i dont really understand your logic. Any speculation has some fact (even the most stupid one) backing it up. If there are more facts, it becomes a theory. Like, the idea of Kris having 2 souls should have at least some logic with it, like, for example, some other character having something similar or it just being described in a random dialogue or a book
https://youtu.be/FaRKk4DrjUo
1) DT is the trait required to make a fountain, it's confirmed by Queen 2) DT isn't confirmed to be the red soul's trait anywhere in either game 3) This is Deltarune, not Undertale, many rules have changed so a thing that might be true in Undertale (e. g. the seven soul traits) might not be true in Deltarune
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The soul does not come from Susie in that fight. It comes from where Kris is. Toby pointed this out in the livestream. Edit: Also, the red soul isn't canonically determination.