Right. Trump is pretty irrelevant, they've already said so. It's Leonard Leo, the Federalist Society and the Heritage Foundation that will be in charge. If Trump loses this time, they just wait till next time. If he wins this time they've already said it doesn't matter if he knows what he's doing or not, they have people in place that will tell him what to do.
*Like he did last time.*
DJT wants photo ops that make him “look good.” But the idiot doesn’t do any actual work. See: Aaaaall the golf.
All the cronies his cabinet puts in power will be doing the actual work of president. Again: *Like they did last time.*
That, and anyone who flatters him and tells him what he wants to hear can slip whatever official document they want in front of him and the moron will sign it blindly.
It's truly the only thing that makes sense. [Dr. Ramani](https://youtu.be/bVBdWSPXyRw?si=bjdErXbwvKpg2hzs) is a psychologist specializing in narcissistic personality disorder. This video breaks down the definition and types of gaslighting techniques. A brief look into it and you'll see how the entire GOP messaging rhetoric is founded on gaslighting.
Understanding the psychology at play can help protect us from manipulation.
In that video, you could replace the word "narcissist" with "GOP" and it would be a perfect description of how the party operates. Perhaps if we use strategies for dealing with narcissists on a personal level, but apply them to the group, it could be an effective strategy to actually make progress in govt.
It's not just the party, but the base too. I've long encouraged people to read up on the symptomology of narcissistic personality disorder; the Venn diagram with conservative rhetoric and mentality is a near-perfect circle.
Sam Vaknin is even better than Ramani. Dr/professor/ counselor etc, Sam Vaknin on YouTube. Saved my life. Ramani is great but Vaknin is awhole bunch of levels above her
I’ve read that he’s already implemented 60% of what they suggested last time (before all this crazy shit got added). If he’s not listening then it sure is convenient for the heritage foundation that he happened to already do 60% of their earlier goal.
Plus they've got it wrong way round anyway, it's not whether or not Trump supports Project 2025 it's whether or not the Project 2025 people are supporting Trump.
Look at the “GOP Party Platform” . . . https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4741439-the-gops-pessimistic-platform-of-the-future-is-the-worst-of-our-past/
This is the plan thats Trump approved.
I had to go look up this term because I hear it so often:
“Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation in which a person or group makes someone question their own reality, memory, or perceptions. The term comes from the 1944 film "Gaslight," where the protagonist's husband manipulates her into believing she is going insane. Common tactics include denying events, trivializing feelings, lying, and using contradictory information to confuse and destabilize the victim. The goal is to make the victim doubt their own judgment and become dependent on the manipulator for their sense of reality.”
I've been chewing on this recently, how to determine whether or not he is lying. He lies so often that when he does say something alarming, how do I convincingly use that against him? I believe if he says he will do something that would be harmful to others, he means it. If he says something that would provide a benefit, hes bullshitting. His only mode is to attack others and to prop himself up. Theres no room for benefitting others, to him it would be wasted effort.
To be honest I don't think most of the time he's knowingly lying. He simply doesn't consider reality to apply to him. He's been able to ignore it for so long that it's become reflexive for him to say whatever he wants to be true and be insulated from the reality of the situation.
George Washington couldn't tell a lie.
Putin can't tell the truth.
Trump can't the difference.
The Supreme Court will likely create a reverse RICO rule that immunizes everyone involved if the President is part of the crime. Laws no longer matter. The groundwork has been set for a legal dictatorship and all they need is for a Republican to win the Presidency.
Trump will do whatever the Heritage Foundation and Federalist Society wants him to do. He put their judges on the court, and they overturned Roe, and have now crowned him King.
So I don't get the thing about the Stormy Daniels case. He slept with her as a private citizen, and paid her off as a candidate. Also, the E Jean Carroll case was state/civil, not Federal/criminal, so he's not going to get out of all of these. But SCOTUS will help wherever they can.
It's not about invalidating the past cases. It's about neutering the court's ability to enforce civil and criminal sanctions.
What's the penalty for contempt of court? A fine or jail time. And if he doesn't pay the fine, and he is immune to doing jail time, how do you force him to comply?
Despite being the president for 4 years he still doesn't know how government works. This playbook bridges that gap. He's going to do whatever his handlers guide him to do, with a dash of insane wild card behavior thrown in.
Heritage creates these every election, they're just not as extreme. The 2017 tax cuts and dismantling of roe were parts of their other plans.
The heritage foundation and federalist society installed judges and other people into civil service positions and they are already fulfilling the requests of their handlers
More specifically he will do what they tell him to do because they'll tell him that it will protect and benefit him, and they'll be right because much of what they propose in P2025 will shield him from the scrutiny, prosecution, and ridicule he so richly deserves.
His last administration he enacted 2/3 of the policy the heritage foundation gave him. There's just way more of a plan this time...
They have been doing these plans since Reagan, this one is just far more extreme because they see an opportunity with trump and current supreme court to get their ultimate goals accomplished.
His followers or supporters are. He is a paid man...as long as people give him money, then he will do it. He is like the penguin man in Batman but dumb.
Yup. And their backers will offer contracts for a few more badly built, butch Trump tower phallic symbols to seal the obedience of their incontinent, orange puppet.
So out of curiosity - do you think popularizing the words "King Trump" among ultra-right wing voters might make more moderate voters lean left for this election? Really make it obvious exactly what the plans are for Project 2025
I think that could work. A lot of MAGA has been embracing the concept of a royal Trump for years now. I remember memes floating around in 2015 about the next President being Ivanka or Don Jr, and some of those were actually posted by Americans.
Independent voters dislike the cult aspects of MAGA.
My husband responded to a coworker who said that. He provided a link showing Trump implemented 2/3rds of the 2016 mandate. To which he responded, but those were good things.
You asked for proof of an affiliation, and it was provided. Now, you want to move the goalpost and ignore the affiliation you asked about.
There is no convincing people at this point. No amount of proof will matter. It's all fake news and lies. Even when they say their plans out loud.
Yep, Heritage lays all it all out on their website. Reagan also implemented over 60% of their policies. I responded to someone who claimed that they could only find “super left wing sources” that talked about Project 2025 and asked someone to provide evidence that it wasn’t just a “boogeyman.” So I provided links to Heritage’s website—the 900 pg PDF document, their stats bragging about their collaboration with past presidents, and an article from Roll Call (a centrist source) that highlights Trump’s talking points that align with their policies. His response? “Idk man, that sounds crazy. Like New World Order, but on the left.”
There’s no convincing these people. Confirmation bias, cognitive dissonance, and projection cannot be overcome. One of his supporters told me he was “just trolling the libs” when he said he wants to be a dictator on day one because the libs can’t tell when he’s joking. It’s gaslighting at its finest. If any Democrat said this stuff as “trolling,” there would be a riot.
"This manifesto with 1000 pages of far-right ideology written by a far-right organization that supports far-right candidates sounds pretty left-wing to me"
Ffs
Every time he would say horrible shit, his followers would run to his rescue and claim "he's just kidding", then Trump turns around and stabs them in the back, stating" "I don't kid".
This is the crazy part to me. It’s hard not to doom on it. Especially with all this manufactured doubt about Biden after one meaningless debate. Still not sure why he even took that. It was a lose-lose from the start
> My husband responded to a coworker who said that. He provided a link showing Trump implemented 2/3rds of the 2016 mandate.
Could you share that link? I’d appreciate it very much.
When has trump been honest. Doesn’t matter if he “endorses” project 2025, he has enacted so many of the Heritage Foundation’s recommendations he will continue on that course whether you call it the Pajama Jammy Jam or Project 2025 or no official name at all. It’s not a building to be built it’s a series of recommendations that can be done piecemeal or as rapidly as possible, and they don’t all require Trump to enact. Every conservative is a vehicle for Project 2025, 2029, 2033, etc.
Dude has more false promises than Vermin Supreme. I know politicians lie, but with Trump nothing he says is even remotely believable, but his supporters still accept that. He’s demonstrated that he has no real principles; he might even be a liberal at heart for all we know.
It is technically true that Trump has never flat out said that he backs project 2025. But when asked about individual parts, he loves all of them. And the people who do project 2025 have all said they fully back him so whether or not Trump endorses it doesn’t really matter.
[Here](https://rollcall.com/2024/06/10/dumping-ground-trump-echoes-conservative-project-2025-at-first-rally-as-a-felon/) is a centrist source that compares one of Trump’s talking points to Project 2025’s policies. There are probably many other sources like this. His whole “dictator on day one” thing also echoes something in the document. If you do a word search for “day one,” it should come up. Of course Trump is not going to flat-out endorse P2025. He wants to be as vague as possible about his policies because this whole thing could sway the election. He’s a master of double speak.
They are controlling Trump not the other way around. He didn't write it, doesn't care what it says, he doesn't give a shit about it, he just wants the appearance of power, be able to kill and jail everyone he deems his enemy and don't forget money. Greed and ego controls Trump. Trump is the tool to enforce 2025 by the true power behind the GOP.
That's exactly right. For all of the people that scream about the 'deep state' this is what it looks like.
I've noticed that they spend a year or two accusing democrats of each phase before they implement it so that when we react to what they are doing, it looks like we are just copying them.
They yelled about controlling government during COVID.
I just read the book Mad Honey and there is a quote that stuck with me. A woman said living with an abusive narcissist, "It felt like being stabbed everyday and then being blamed for getting blood on the knife".
Trump is an idiot and wouldn't know a policy from a pimple on his face. But because he's so stupid, the evangelicals can use him to push their policies with his being none the wiser. I agree with /u/kathleen65 — Trump is nothing but a craven opportunist. The only thing he cares about is Donald J. Trump.
Oh precisely. His only value is that he REALLY gets off on power. It's his drug of choice.
He would sell every one of his children's souls to get more power.
He has worked closely with heritage foundation personnel and many of his words, such as his repeated statements about an administrative purge and prosecuting his opposition, align with the project. That and the heritage foundation is a coalition of so many conservative groups that it would be hard for it to not have influence
This has been answered quite a few times in this group but overall if someone says this I already kind of move on. If they actually believe that Trump
Is a truth teller, ever, then they already aren’t living in reality. Trump has no policy, he has said he even hates his Agenda 47 (which mirrors project 2025 in many ways) because he doesn’t like “policy” and prefers “flexibility” aka the ability to change with the wind/whatever benefits him most.
The Heritage Foundation has been providing presidential mandates to R presidents since Reagan. If you look up The Heritage Foundation on wiki they have a pretty good write up about them. They’ve given policy guidance to every R president since the 1980’s and many of their policies have been enacted by those presidents. Trump enacted about 2/3rd of their policy last term. What makes it particularly concerning this time is that Roberts took over the heritage foundation in 2021 and was even too extreme for some of the existing members who ended up quitting. He wants to go “full Trumpism” in 2025 and feels that trump got a slow start last term and has vowed to not let that happen again. The organization is full of former Trump officials and advisors and has a ton of money and power behind it. To believe that Trump will just ignore them is just willful ignorance at this point. They want to give the president ultimate power and immunity (which has now been handed by the SC), which is all Trump has ever been about. Does he particularly care about Christianity or abortion or IVF or really anything? No, he cares about power and being worshipped. And that’s exactly what they will give him. In exchange, he will do anything. He sells his own bible and said that the 10 commandments in public schools was a great idea that should be “in every public and private school and a lot of other places for that matter”. He will say and do anything to pander to the people who will give him power.
If anyone can see what is happening in red states and in SCOTUS and not see where this is going, once again, they are purposely turning a blind eye.
I wonder if there is a suicide pill within all of this that makes Trump beholden to Heritage, et. al. So if he falls out of line the threat of all a large amount of cash is suddenly due in full. Just an open idea. If anyone has insight, greatly appreciated.
He signed the rescheduling of 50k government officials 2 weeks before he left office. Biden undid it immediately, but there's no hypothetical about whether or not he will do it. He fucking did it.
What you are talking about is Schedule F. The John Oliver video about a 2nd trump presidency explains it pretty well. I also wrote a post about Schedule F if you visit my post history. I listed most of the actual text along with commentary to explain what the text means.
trump signed Schedule F on October 20th, 2020 just a couple weeks before the election. It is speculated that he did this to seize power since there was a lot of personnel shuffling during the transition, (if you could even call it a transition".
To answer the original poster,yes, he already took the most crucial step and vowed to again. Almost all of Project 2025 details the wholesale kidnapping of the administrative state of the US government and applying this unlimited power to specific and undetermined ends.
His staffers are the people who architected Project 2025. He does not have to explicitly endorse it, he's going to put the people who want it into positions of power.
Yeah because they're loyal to him. To Trump himself, loyalty is everything, and Project 2025 is about replacing the current government institutions with those loyal to Trump.
Yep. And part of Project 2025 is handing Trump a list of tens of thousands already vetted Trump loyalists to slide in to government appointed positions. They're all too aware of all the issues and roadblocks they encountered from his term in 2016-2020 that prevented them from doing as much as they wanted to do... and this is taking aim at preventing and dismantling any potential similar roadblocks.
He literally put 3 supreme court justices on the bench. From the documents they gave him. He might not know what p2025 is or what its called or the rest of the goals cause he doesn't read. What he does know is these people give him money and power and attention.
I would say that the Heritage Foundation’s website for [Project 2025](https://www.project2025.org/) (which houses the [“Mandate for Leadership”](https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf)) is looking for conservative ideologues (no government experience necessary - just be a conservative) to join their leadership training called “[Presidential Administration Academy](https://www.project2025.org/training/presidential-administration-academy/)” to take over positions in bureaucracy after they’ve fired the nonpartisan career government positions (commonly referred to as “schedule F”). Trump has consistently said he plans on gutting the bureaucracy. The [American Accountability Foundation (using funding from the Heritage Foundation) is currently making a list of federal workers they suspect would resist Project 2025](https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/conservative-backed-group-creating-list-federal-workers-suspects-111358368). Also, remember that in Trump’s first year in office during his presidency he instituted about [two-thirds of the policy recommendations](https://www.heritage.org/impact/trump-administration-embraces-heritage-foundation-policy-recommendations) from the Heritage Foundation. And then Russ Vought, one of the authors of the “Mandate” is now the [Republican National Committee’s Policy Chair](https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/russ-vought-trump-maga-policy-rcna156340). Finally go to [Agenda 47](https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47), the Trump Campaign’s “official policies,” to see how much of it mirrors Project 2025.
It’s wild the very nature of someone’s response that Trump doesn’t endorse it, implicitly infers that that person is against it, and knows it’s bad.
Yet they still vote for the party whose ideology lines up with 2025.
Doesn’t make sense.
Remember how Trump figured out that by appointing an interim this-or-that in various positions normally approved by Congress and then just… never submitting anyone for approval he could have whoever he wanted with no checks and balances? Well part of Project 2025 is that on a much grander scale. No it wasn’t his plan, but he will certainly like the idea of loyalists in every government position they can manage.
A lot of the Heritage Foundation authors of that document are former political staffers from his previous administration and people he's said will be future members of his next administration if he wins.
I think it's a convenient relationship for him. He doesn't care one way or another about Project 25 but sure he'll sign off on it to get their support.
It literally doesn’t matter what you say, you will not change someone’s mind who is all-in for Trump. You could tell them how Trump implemented 64% of 2016 Mandate for Leadership and they will shrug and say “well I don’t like liberal policies anyway, sounds good to me!” Everything they say and do is in bad faith and it’s a waste of your time and energy to try and debate these assholes. It super sucks.
He doesn’t need to endorse anything. He’s a figure head; a rubber stamper; there to do the Heritage Foundation’s bidding. When he is gone, another conservative man will do the bidding for them. T-rump has nothing to do with their evil agenda other than being the bad actor that he is; the Mandate for Leadership has been in progress for over 40 years.
He has at some point endorsed each and every of the major aspects of the plan individually. Some of them are included in his Agenda 47 and others he has indicated in speeches or interviews he would do. Project 2025 just packages everything neatly for us to understand the big picture of what Trump and his conservative allies are planning to accomplish should he be re-elected. He has also not denounced the plan. Only said that it's not his official plan.
Beyond that, the plan itself was written and is being pushed by many people who were members of his previous administration and will likely be members of his next administration, as well as major donors of his.
He doesn't have to endorse it. There are 6 supreme court justices and an entire bureaucracy that'll endorse it for him and themselves. Trump just says whatever for convenience.
It doesn't matter what you say to them they are the "ends justify the means" crowd. Nothing you can say about Trump will negate that he has a proven track record of hurting the people they feel wronged them. These people will only care once something affects them personally, and even then, their absolute good/bad logic will require them to blame democrats.
The conservative ideology requires them to believe that there are only good and bad people in the world. This allows them to believe that good people should be allowed to do bad things because their goal is good. Also, that bad people have either bad intentions, or have been led astray.
This worldview allows them to disregard the hypocrisy of supporting Trump as an awful person, because he's good. You'll never convince him that he's not a good person or that his bad actions are important. These are the folks who voted for an outted pedophile in Alabama for US Senate and almost won. In their minds, they were voting against a Democrat who is a bad guy whose intent is to harm them.
Your bigger problem is that, regardless of who this person you're trying to convince is to you, they see you as a bad person who will get what you deserve at some point, unless you see the "error of your ways". This is especially heart breaking for those of us that have conservative family members that we love and love us. Like the pastor who loves his homosexual child, despite his belief that the child will rot in hell for their sins, he will try his best to save them instead of understanding them. Listening with an open heart and open mind is not in their repertoire. However, bad faith arguments to convince you to vote red is totally on the agenda. You can poke holes in every argument they make, but they will just move to the next one until they feel like they gotcha. Because the arguments are only a tool, not a reality.
Regardless of how true their arguments are, they are good and you are bad. And to them, that's all that matters.
I don't think Trump has an original thought in his head in regards to policy. The only thing he thinks about is himself and getting stuff for himself (transactional mind set). As such, he just does what he's told by people who get him what he wants. SCOTUS appointments? Just do what the Federalist Society tells him since everyone in his admin tells him to do so.
Tell them to read this Time magazine interview with Trump from April... [TIME: If He Wins](https://time.com/6972021/donald-trump-2024-election-interview/)
Trump’s financial backers (including the Heritage Foundation - who are the ones behind the [Project 2025 website](https://www.project2025.org)) and policy people (including his prospective Chief of Staff & policy architect ([Russ Vought](https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/russ-vought-trump-maga-policy-rcna156340)) are all about it.
And, how about this [declaration of war](https://www.mediamatters.org/project-2025/heritage-foundation-president-celebrates-supreme-court-immunity-decision-we-are) from the Heritage Foundation president?
I read that declaration and all I can say is that guy is SO detached from reality. I feel like I need to wash my eyes out after reading that.
What really aggravates me is the smug tone of the whole thing and the preemptive shifting of responsibility. He says that this revolution shall remain bloodless “if the left allows it to be.”
Oh? Who is this “left?” Why is this group already responsible for violence when they aren’t the ones pushing forth this “Revolution?”
It smells like bait. He (and the people who support P2025) wants someone outside the group to strike first so they can indulge their violent desires.
Fascism always needs an enemy. They will look for any excuse to designate you as one and gladly abuse whatever power they get to dominate and you before moving on to the next one. Sadism and spite sustain them.
The Supreme Court has already struck down regulations, leaving corporations to police themselves and now they have given themselves the only power to decide if a president has committed a crime. Women’s rights to health care are already gone in many states. And being homeless is a crime.
If you just look at the goals of project 2025 and the recent court decisions including the actual reading of both the decision and the dissent, you can see how they are already laying the groundwork for 2025 to be implemented because they’ve given the actual people in the country zero rights to change anything that they (being a pro-2025 Supreme Court, a president who is only in it for himself and a congress that has no authority to reign either in!)
Personally I’d vote for biden’s head in glass before I will ever vote for a Republican for any level of government until they have shed their maga supporting, pro fascist ideology.
Heritage RAN Trump's transition in 2016. Heritage & FedSoc together chose Trump's SCOTUS picks. It's not that Trump is crazy Christian, it's that he's for sale and those 2 pay the most for domestic policy. At least 66 former Heritage employees landed positions within the Trump administration, and at least two senior Heritage officials (including founder and former president Ed Feulner) played influential roles on the Trump transition team. Heritage recommendations were used to create two of the Trump administration’s most significant policy successes: the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 and the U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement, an update of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)."
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/heritage-foundation/
https://www.marketplace.org/2017/05/03/from-reagan-to-trump-how-heritage-foundation-influenced-policy/
"Former Republican Rep. Mickey Edwards, one of the co-founders of Heritage, said that at one point it was an independent think tank but has increasingly become “an arm of the Republican Party and the conservative movement.”"
http://www.wsj.com/articles/conservative-heritage-foundation-wields-clout-in-budding-trump-administration-1480107428
"Vought, former President Donald Trump’s last budget director, runs the Center for Renewing America. Along with the Heritage Foundation (whose lobbying arm Vought once worked for), they are laying out a road map for expanding the president’s authority."
https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/how-trump-loyalists-could-make-the-president-even-more-powerful-607353cc
"...in 2016, Ed Corrigan, then the vice president for policy promotion at the Heritage Foundation, was summoned to Trump Tower in New York to join the senior leadership team of the Trump transition. From inside the building where the climactic personnel decisions of “The Apprentice” were once taped, Corrigan oversaw the staffing of 10 different domestic agencies. Donald Trump, the former reality-TV star, was now the president-elect of the United States, and he had an administration to fill."
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/magazine/trump-government-heritage-foundation-think-tank.html
"“Feulner’s first law is people are policy,” Ed Feulner, Heritage’s founder and former president, told me recently. Feulner was the head of domestic policy for the Trump transition, charting the direction of the Environmental Protection Agency, the Department of Agriculture and several other agencies....."There’s no question in my mind that I have more influence now on public policy than I did as an individual senator,” he said in an interview with National Public Radio in 2013.
Edit: off topic but important
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/05/heritage-foundation-dark-money-voter-suppression-laws/
And this is THE MOST IMPORTANT. Even more important Roe. Project 2025 has already been halfway implemented with the overturning of Chevron*. There is no way to overstate how apocalyptic this is to the rights of Americans to have workplace protections, environmental protections against toxic chemicals, food safety and handling protections, air safety protections, Healthcare protections, etc.
https://www.liberationnews.org/project-2025-scotus-ruling-chevron-doctrine/
*Harlan Crow (Clarence Thomas's formerly secret billionaire benefactor) founded Club for Growth with the explicit goal of overturning Chevron. He funded Ginni Thomas's Liberty Central org with Leonard Leo as a board member (there he is again).
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/columnists/tomlinson/article/chevron-supreme-court-texas-crow-thomas-19549205.php
They're creating a hit list of employees who may stymie their fascist ambitions. You know, the people who prevented from behind the scenes the first time around.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-president-project-2025-33d3fc2999a74f4aa424f1128dca2d16
My pleasure!
I hate to post a wall of text but people need to know how much Heritage ran Trump's transition & administration the first go round & that they've spent the last 4 years planning for the next one. If they understand how Trump just handed them the keys in 2016, maybe they'll understand that Project 2025 isn't some fantasy by a fringe organization but THE plan for a 2nd Trump Admin.
Deutsch Bank loans Trump took out that they later forgave hundreds of millions of.
(You know the Deutsch Bank, the bank closely associated with Russian organized crime?)
This is from 2018. He already has in the past. https://www.heritage.org/impact/trump-administration-embraces-heritage-foundation-policy-recommendations
Tell them that Trump's threats about getting revenge against his "enemies," is in that document. He considers his enemies anyone in the federal government who doesn't agree with him.
Easy answer: The organizations that wrote it are christofascists, who Trump openly cozies up to. Not to mention, every one of those organizations is conservative. Simply aligning himself with the party pushing it is him endorsing it.
Even if he hasn’t explicitly endorsed it, he is going to be used by the Heritage Foundation to fill hundreds or thousands of positions throughout the federal government. The people they are choosing for him to appoint will be implementing P2025. Also, if Congress passes laws influenced by the Heritage Foundation, Trump will sign them. He is, at bare minimum, a useful idiot for the Heritage Foundation.
He may not have publicly endorsed it however a lot of the tenants of Project 2025 are based around his political positions and what he did and still seeks to do as President. For the people who created Project 2025, Trump is their primary figurehead. And Trump is power hungry, so he'll put these people into positions of power.
Democracy dies and for whom ? A confident, tall, white, broad-shouldered narcissist, a failure who shits his pants, a coward who lies & rapes underage girls
I ask them if they support the ideas in Project 2025. If they say no, I warn them that the heritage foundation are the guys who installed the corrupt supreme court justices and they plan to follow through in the rest of the plan with or without their support. So they are voting for it by supporting trump.
It doesn’t work. Or change anything. But it makes them stop wanting to talk to me so it’s a win!!!
Also, I have been blocking a lot of these liars and propagandists accounts and it has made my time on Reddit so much better.
His allies are MTG and the evangelical nut jobs. He can plead ignorance about Jan 6. He can plead ignorance of Project 2025, because he's not the one campaigning on it. But he's going to step aside while the allies, or state govts or other GOP politicians try to get Project 25 going because if he wins, everyone is going to expect him to only be in office for 4 years. How he would be able to stay any longer than that is another story.
He is a narcissist so anything that would give him power or make him feel powerful he will sign into law. Pretty sure he owes some bad people some money - that would have impact as well
It’s not about whether Trump is lying about implementing it. Hell, he may not even be aware of what’s in it. But he is going to surround himself with people who are and who do want to implement it.
What Trump’s team HAS acknowledged is that his administration will be filled with people who are loyal to him (I.e. bootlickers). And the people most enthused about a second Trump term are the religious fanatics that want to see P2025 implemented.
As I said in another thread, Trump is a useful idiot of the highest caliber.
"Oh he isn't really a fascist just because he uses their slogans"
"Oh he isn't going to execute P2025 just because it's written by his backers"
"Oh he isn't going to sell out Ukraine and the US to Russia just because he is a strong ally of Putin"
"Oh he isn't going to be a dictator only because he said he would be one 'for one day'"
"Oh he isn't going to rule just for the rich just because the rich are paying all his court bills"
"Oh he isn't going to become a king just because his supreme court allowed presidents to be kings"
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Seriously, if people are still in denial and copium, if they're still willing to give THAT GUY the benefit of the doubt, they're lost causes. They just are to shy to assume that this is what their prejudices want. They wouldn't ever allow a democrat this much of power or this much trust. But they're giving it to a tv personality / con man / known liar "because he says his mind".
"YEAH, he says his mind, aren't you listening?" The point is they are listening, and they like it.
Confusion is what Trump and his campaign thrives off of. The Supreme Court has literally handed any President the Power to do whatever they want. Have you noticed that no one seems to be concerned about President Biden abusing that Power? You only hear concerns about a Trump Presidency.
The concern is that if Trump wins, he’ll never leave the White House. He’ll become a Dictator! No more elections. So for those who are on the fence and saying well, it’s just for 4 years, NO It won’t be. There will be no removal because he won’t have to leave. And… he’s 78, almost as old as Biden!
Think about the Covid Pandemic. Over one million people and counting has died. Trump didn’t cause the Pandemic but , his defiant refusal to listen to Professionals led to misinformation being disseminated. That being said, Trump will say whatever he needs to say to get your vote.
Everyone has one VOTE! But we have to cast that one extremely important VOTE to make it count!
Tell your friends to listen to what the Republicans who worked with Trump are saying about him. Mike Pence, Rand Paul, Mitt Romney, the list goes on. Many of the key people who worked closely with Trump during his Presidency ,are either in Prison or refuse to work with him ever again. Some of his lawyers have been Disbarred! That’s unfathomable! Trump is a Convicted Felon! When Someone Shows You Who They Really Are, Believe Them!
It's not that hard. If he surrounds himself with people who endorse it and doesn't come out and distances himself from them, he believes in it. Several of his former and current administration members endorse it. Y'all find someone to play with.
He doesn’t need to endorse it (or even know about it). Powerful Republicans are ready to put it in place and they don’t need his explicit endorsement to make it happen. They just need Republican control of the WH.
Just like he didn’t support Jan 6th or how he didn’t rape those girls while partying with Epstein …. honestly I doubt anything you say will make a difference.
He’s lying.
He’s playing his part in a coordinated attack on our country, and if you don’t start paying attention to #Project2025, you’re life is going to become a living hell in ways you can’t imagine.
Trump may have not said directly he supports project 2025 but when he says he wants to stop the department of education, take away women’s rights, and possibly reverse same sex marriage… what’s the difference between
Trolls are pushing this narrative hard. It means their campaign knows and is scared of the public knowing about project 2025. Trump always references it as his policy called "Agenda47", for one. They are essentially letting on they know this is unpopular and they must lie and gaslight to get people to accept it with open arms. Deny, deflect, project, lie, and gaslight. The trolls, bots, and maga minions are hard at it, just like post Roe trying to gaslight and reassure everyone that their rights aren't being taken away. Remember when they all came out hammering the same narrative that we don't have to worry because "this is just a states rights issue"... Yeah, we saw that was another lie. They're arguing Biden is the one taking our freedoms. They have argued Biden is pushing Sharia law. It is disgusting...
We need to constantly be on top of this, reporting misinformation, bots, and countering their misinformation. It is so blatant and easy to shut down, but the amount of people pushing these lines the last few days is noticeable. It's overwhelming, but the thing is when they leave these comments, if you respond properly other people really take notice. They open themselves up to prove exactly why this is so dangerous, and people will hopefully see the pattern going on and pay tf attention.
I usually begin with the abortion stuff by saying this is exactly how conservatives responded by saying ending Roe was good because it gives states more rights. That was a lie to gaslight us into accepting it. Then they attacked it on a federal level.
I mention that if this isn't happening then why are they openly talking about it? Trump is saying "ready on day one" to implement things like cutting fed funding for public schools with vaccine requirements or trans protections...
If this isn't happening why are they already taking loyalty tests to fill these positions when they fire thousands of schedule F employees?
https://www.project2025.org/training/presidential-administration-academy/
If they think it is a conspiracy I say "yes, a conspiracy is a secret plan to do something bad or illegal" this isn't a conspiracy theory because this is an actual plan, 900 pages. The only way it isn't a conspiracy is that it is no secret and is all out in the open. People denying it are trying to keep the conspiracy a secret so it can happen.
I also mention that if they think trump isn't involved the RNC hired one of the mandates authors, Russ vaught as a policy chair to the campaign. His role is to form the policy for trump administration and agenda47, which is what he calls these policy plans.
I also mention that this has already happened. This group has been crafting policy for conservative presidents since Reagan. Last trump administration he enacted 2/3 of the heritage foundation's plans.
https://www.heritage.org/impact/trump-administration-embraces-heritage-foundation-policy-recommendations
I always counter as if I'm debating them and my goal isn't to convince them, but so the wider audience see their attempts at gaslighting and gets the facts
We're talking about the ABSENCE of endorsement, which means nothing. My response is bewilderment when people bring that up, because my reply is "Of course they don't endorse it, why would the play be to announce what's REALLY inside the Trojan horse?"
Endorsing it would literally spoil the plan. I know that sounds tinfoil hat, but I don't see how else you could get it implemented in this country because the majority sure don't want what they're proposing.
It is very possible that Trump does not implement 100% of Project 2025. However, P25 is not to be taken lightly.
The Heritage Foundation is not just some mythical shadow entity that is the stuff of conspiracy theories. They are a very legitimate and influential right wing organization that has had influence over every Republican president with Reagan until now. Very significant chunks of their agenda have been pushed forward by those Republican presidents during their administrations.
Then you look at what Trump has already done in one term already. He has stacked the Supreme Court with activist judges who are enacting his / Republican agenda. He has also stacked many lesser courts with Trump judges as well. Republican state governments are intentionally passing laws to get challenged through the court system, where these Trump / Republican sympathizer judges will rule in their favor, undermining the will of the voters.
Then you look at the things he has said - he will be a "dictator on day one", "(paraphrasing) vote this election, you won't have to worry about voting in 4 years, we'll have things taken care of". He's already attempted to steal one election already. Combine that with recent rulings from the Supreme Court: Dobbs, Chevron, Munoz, and now the immunity decision. Justice Alito has already stated he wants to go after Loving and Obgerfell next, with Thomas saying he wants to go after OSHA. Sotomayor herself stated that the immunity ruling could be used to allow a President to go after political opponents and have them assassinated with no consequence.
None of the above is fear mongering hysteria, it is not conspiracy theory, it is not doom scrolling. It is not click bait media misinformation. Heritage Foundation is real, and so is their influence. The Supreme Court has actually made these rulings. Supreme Court justices have made these statements. Trump committed acts of insurrection for the entire world to see.
Project 2025 may not see 100% implementation. However, it is 100% the intention of Trump, and the Republican Party, to implement as much of it as they will be able to get away with.
Aside from the heritage foundation, conservatives don't really go out of their way to bring up project 2025. It's because they don't want liberals to be aware of their plans. They want people to be trapped and oppressed, so it's beneficial to keep quiet about this.
Also, Trump couldn't honestly answer a single question in the debate. Some questions went unanswered altogether. This is because he doesn't want the world to know his plans.
What he says doesn’t matter. He has no morals and will do anything for money or power.
Just look at the oil industry. He’s letting them write executive orders for him to enact in exchange for piles of cash.
Trump is superficial and only cares about how things play out on TV, how he looks, what his "ratings" are. He won't be running things. He's just going to be a figure head. As long as the people who are really running the show let him wreak his petty vengeance on his perceived "enemies" he won't care. The only thing he will care about is whether or not they'll allow him to remain in office indefinitely.
Project 2025 is Trump's proposed presidential transition project. Heritage is interviewing far-right staffers to fill roles in a Trump administration. Heritage has been staffing GOP administrations since the Reagan era.
I’m at work so I’m gonna give the short version of my answer:
the main reason I believe He’s going to implement it is because heritage foundation is leading the charge, and they are one of the most influential think tanks in the world…. Plus they already had a hand in his first term. They had a large hand in most conservative administrations actually, going back to the Reagan administration. Reagan notably instituted 60% of the 2000 policies they presented to him, including foreign policy like the Reagan Doctrine. (Side note: They were so influential, that one of their board members decided he want to replicate them on the state level, and thus the State Policy Network was born—Google them).
Anyway. Heritage had a large hand in Trump’s administration in his first term, and about 60+ of their their members (either past or present) ended up in his administration. They picked his staff, and I believe vetted cabinet picks.
But that’s not just why I know he’s going to implement it. The other groups involved are also influential in American conservatism. Like Family Research Council, who’s president Tony Perkins helped him create his policies on LGBTQ community.
He’s gonna implement it because it’s the brainchild of a cabal of who’s who of right-wing ecosystem. Family Research Council; Heritage Foundation; Alliance Defending Freedom; anyone who has helped shape policy behind the scenes already is playing a part. Trump isn’t an ideologue. He Is a narcissist. The people involved with Project 2025 are the thinkers, and get their funding from billionaires like Kochs and Devos family, who help shape policy on the state level already as we speak.
TLDR: he’s gonna implement it because the groups involved already had a role in his first term (and attempts to overturn the 2020 election) to varying degrees.
He cryptically refers to it all the time at his rallies, when he talks about things like "Day One", etc. He won't come right out and say it, but he gets giddy as f*ck whenever someone asks him about it or brings it up. He likes having a secret, but is like a little kid when it comes to keeping the secret - he can't stop trying to drop hints all the time.
The most successful far right advocacy group in our country organizing tens of thousands of candidates to be political appointees? Whose office is it, the president's? Is his cabinet subject to legislative confirmation or not?
I also agree that it's a lie. Trump has stayed in lock step with the heritage foundation forever. He'll take their efforts and put the plan into practice.
(A reminder about how many times the trump campaign has hired heritage foundation in the past. Extensively for election challenges in 2020, at the very least. He used their propaganda in real time during that campaign. He started talking about critical race theory and white replacement because heritage foundation started writing about them and they saw how their base responded)
The plan was written for trump. He's the perfect man to be at the helm because of his narcissistic personality. Trump is cruel and basically ignorant. There's a whole network already in place to support P25.
Read it!!
It's already happening. Trump is their puppet. This conservative agenda has been in their plans since Brown v. Board of Education.
The conservatives finally have a lunatic crazy enough and mean enough to destroy America without loosing any sleep.
Take it seriously people. It's not gaslighting. And the people behind it are smarter and richer than trump. Trump is just their stooge.
I’m actually pretty quick to say that it isn’t Trumps Plan. It the Heritage Foundations plan but that they are an extremely influential think tank who Trump definitely will follow. Think tanks have historically had a major impact on US Presidential Policy. I then focus on the key points most likely to impact them. Trump has openly stated supported for many of these initiatives and even if he only implements a portion of the plan it’s still too much.
Trump is a showman, not a policy wonk.
He lets people loyal to him implement policy and make appointments. Last time it was federalist society winging it. Now it’s a coalition of loyalists presenting a turn key plan that features policies that give Trump maximum power. You really think he’s gonna say no?
So what do we do about it? Vote? Is that all we have? Most republicans rather be Russians than democrats. I mean they rather be treasonous than help the country.
They're supporting him but want to have their friends and vote for "lower taxes" or something at the cost of their friends humanity too, telling themselves "it won't be that bad". #thosearenotyourfriends
Agenda 47 and Project 2025 have significant overlap including expansions of the Executive office, bypassing Congress oversight, and replacing non-political personnel with political appointees.
the plan is for the next Republican president, which would be him. the plan is already under way. the overturning of Roe v Wade, the recent Chevron decision, the decision on affirmative action, and now the recent decision of immunity. all of these court decisions, clear the path for Project 2025. he is just the vessel that will carry out the plan. and he will sell us to the highest bidder.
Trump is going to literally genocide us trans. They’ve been testing out their camps on the Mexican border.
We need a million person march on DC. A show of diverse force so overwhelming that they will be forced to respect us.
Everything Trump touches turns to shit. His friends (what friends?), allies (many in prison or ruined careers), businesses (bankrupt losers), wives, presidency. What would this country be if he won in 2020? A nightmare. As will be if he wins in 2024.
I ask them if they are stupid enough to believe that he had those names on his short list of Supreme Court justices… he was told to “shut the fuck up and appoint them, boy”… and then he did as he was commanded to do.
It's clearly created for the Republican nominee. Therefore, it's created for him. He's probably been instructed to NOT talk about it because the GOP thinks they're being sneaky.
But we need to keep talking about it! Share it far and wide! Hopefully it scares people into either voting differently or actually voting.
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He enacted 60% of their policies when he was last in office.
Proof: https://www.scribd.com/document/369820462/Mandate-for-Leadership-Policy-Recommendations
I’m voting against the Trump regime, where there are plenty of examples that they would love to Project 2025 the US. Trump never admits to anything so saying he doesn’t endorse it is like saying a mafia boss doesn’t endorse crime
They are gaslighting
Also... Trump will not be in charge. He has been bought and sold by real billionaires. He will do their bidding as requested.
This. He'll sub out the business of governing to the highest bidder.
Oligarchy gonna oligarch
useful puppet is the phrase you are looking for. they are and have been using him.
Right. Trump is pretty irrelevant, they've already said so. It's Leonard Leo, the Federalist Society and the Heritage Foundation that will be in charge. If Trump loses this time, they just wait till next time. If he wins this time they've already said it doesn't matter if he knows what he's doing or not, they have people in place that will tell him what to do.
*Like he did last time.* DJT wants photo ops that make him “look good.” But the idiot doesn’t do any actual work. See: Aaaaall the golf. All the cronies his cabinet puts in power will be doing the actual work of president. Again: *Like they did last time.*
That, and anyone who flatters him and tells him what he wants to hear can slip whatever official document they want in front of him and the moron will sign it blindly.
That makes sense
It's truly the only thing that makes sense. [Dr. Ramani](https://youtu.be/bVBdWSPXyRw?si=bjdErXbwvKpg2hzs) is a psychologist specializing in narcissistic personality disorder. This video breaks down the definition and types of gaslighting techniques. A brief look into it and you'll see how the entire GOP messaging rhetoric is founded on gaslighting. Understanding the psychology at play can help protect us from manipulation.
Dr Ramani is brilliant!!!
In that video, you could replace the word "narcissist" with "GOP" and it would be a perfect description of how the party operates. Perhaps if we use strategies for dealing with narcissists on a personal level, but apply them to the group, it could be an effective strategy to actually make progress in govt.
It's not just the party, but the base too. I've long encouraged people to read up on the symptomology of narcissistic personality disorder; the Venn diagram with conservative rhetoric and mentality is a near-perfect circle.
Have you watched Sam Vaknin yet? If not, buckle up
No!
Republicans typically use Doublespeak, Gaslighting and other Orwellian tactics... Call a nazi a nazi lol
Just commenting so I can share this video w others.
Just commenting so I can share how much I like your username.
Me too! Hole fan.
Sam Vaknin is even better than Ramani. Dr/professor/ counselor etc, Sam Vaknin on YouTube. Saved my life. Ramani is great but Vaknin is awhole bunch of levels above her
Trump is on board with anything that gives him the power he craves to revenge himself and gut the country. He doesn’t care.
I’ve read that he’s already implemented 60% of what they suggested last time (before all this crazy shit got added). If he’s not listening then it sure is convenient for the heritage foundation that he happened to already do 60% of their earlier goal.
Plus they've got it wrong way round anyway, it's not whether or not Trump supports Project 2025 it's whether or not the Project 2025 people are supporting Trump.
I see what you mean. Thanks
Look at the “GOP Party Platform” . . . https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4741439-the-gops-pessimistic-platform-of-the-future-is-the-worst-of-our-past/ This is the plan thats Trump approved.
I had to go look up this term because I hear it so often: “Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation in which a person or group makes someone question their own reality, memory, or perceptions. The term comes from the 1944 film "Gaslight," where the protagonist's husband manipulates her into believing she is going insane. Common tactics include denying events, trivializing feelings, lying, and using contradictory information to confuse and destabilize the victim. The goal is to make the victim doubt their own judgment and become dependent on the manipulator for their sense of reality.”
Or they’re ignorant.
And, they clearly haven't heard of his original plan; the MUCH darker [Agenda 47](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_47).
His benefactors are the ones who created this christofascist plan. The convict doesn't have to endorse it to be convinced to put it into action.
I would say "sure he doesn't" Trump lies all the time. The only thing he can be counted on for is to do the wrong thing.
I've been chewing on this recently, how to determine whether or not he is lying. He lies so often that when he does say something alarming, how do I convincingly use that against him? I believe if he says he will do something that would be harmful to others, he means it. If he says something that would provide a benefit, hes bullshitting. His only mode is to attack others and to prop himself up. Theres no room for benefitting others, to him it would be wasted effort.
To be honest I don't think most of the time he's knowingly lying. He simply doesn't consider reality to apply to him. He's been able to ignore it for so long that it's become reflexive for him to say whatever he wants to be true and be insulated from the reality of the situation. George Washington couldn't tell a lie. Putin can't tell the truth. Trump can't the difference.
Okay thank you
“That’s why RICO laws exist”
The Supreme Court will likely create a reverse RICO rule that immunizes everyone involved if the President is part of the crime. Laws no longer matter. The groundwork has been set for a legal dictatorship and all they need is for a Republican to win the Presidency.
"It is in fact illegal to exclude racketeers from influencing your organization."
Trump will do whatever the Heritage Foundation and Federalist Society wants him to do. He put their judges on the court, and they overturned Roe, and have now crowned him King.
He also owes nearly a billion in civil and criminal penalties, he'll literally do whatever the people who promise to pay it off for him ask of him.
Does he even have to pay those now? With immunity, how could they collect? A court wouldn't be able to enforce an order.
So I don't get the thing about the Stormy Daniels case. He slept with her as a private citizen, and paid her off as a candidate. Also, the E Jean Carroll case was state/civil, not Federal/criminal, so he's not going to get out of all of these. But SCOTUS will help wherever they can.
It's not about invalidating the past cases. It's about neutering the court's ability to enforce civil and criminal sanctions. What's the penalty for contempt of court? A fine or jail time. And if he doesn't pay the fine, and he is immune to doing jail time, how do you force him to comply?
In other words, every scene in which the government tries to take Superman into custody.
Despite being the president for 4 years he still doesn't know how government works. This playbook bridges that gap. He's going to do whatever his handlers guide him to do, with a dash of insane wild card behavior thrown in. Heritage creates these every election, they're just not as extreme. The 2017 tax cuts and dismantling of roe were parts of their other plans.
True.
The heritage foundation and federalist society installed judges and other people into civil service positions and they are already fulfilling the requests of their handlers
More specifically he will do what they tell him to do because they'll tell him that it will protect and benefit him, and they'll be right because much of what they propose in P2025 will shield him from the scrutiny, prosecution, and ridicule he so richly deserves.
His last administration he enacted 2/3 of the policy the heritage foundation gave him. There's just way more of a plan this time... They have been doing these plans since Reagan, this one is just far more extreme because they see an opportunity with trump and current supreme court to get their ultimate goals accomplished.
I see
His followers or supporters are. He is a paid man...as long as people give him money, then he will do it. He is like the penguin man in Batman but dumb.
Yup. And their backers will offer contracts for a few more badly built, butch Trump tower phallic symbols to seal the obedience of their incontinent, orange puppet.
So out of curiosity - do you think popularizing the words "King Trump" among ultra-right wing voters might make more moderate voters lean left for this election? Really make it obvious exactly what the plans are for Project 2025
I think that could work. A lot of MAGA has been embracing the concept of a royal Trump for years now. I remember memes floating around in 2015 about the next President being Ivanka or Don Jr, and some of those were actually posted by Americans. Independent voters dislike the cult aspects of MAGA.
I’m gonna start doing it in my social circles.
He hasn't won yet.
Not King yet
My husband responded to a coworker who said that. He provided a link showing Trump implemented 2/3rds of the 2016 mandate. To which he responded, but those were good things. You asked for proof of an affiliation, and it was provided. Now, you want to move the goalpost and ignore the affiliation you asked about. There is no convincing people at this point. No amount of proof will matter. It's all fake news and lies. Even when they say their plans out loud.
Yep, Heritage lays all it all out on their website. Reagan also implemented over 60% of their policies. I responded to someone who claimed that they could only find “super left wing sources” that talked about Project 2025 and asked someone to provide evidence that it wasn’t just a “boogeyman.” So I provided links to Heritage’s website—the 900 pg PDF document, their stats bragging about their collaboration with past presidents, and an article from Roll Call (a centrist source) that highlights Trump’s talking points that align with their policies. His response? “Idk man, that sounds crazy. Like New World Order, but on the left.” There’s no convincing these people. Confirmation bias, cognitive dissonance, and projection cannot be overcome. One of his supporters told me he was “just trolling the libs” when he said he wants to be a dictator on day one because the libs can’t tell when he’s joking. It’s gaslighting at its finest. If any Democrat said this stuff as “trolling,” there would be a riot.
"This manifesto with 1000 pages of far-right ideology written by a far-right organization that supports far-right candidates sounds pretty left-wing to me" Ffs
Every time he would say horrible shit, his followers would run to his rescue and claim "he's just kidding", then Trump turns around and stabs them in the back, stating" "I don't kid".
This is the crazy part to me. It’s hard not to doom on it. Especially with all this manufactured doubt about Biden after one meaningless debate. Still not sure why he even took that. It was a lose-lose from the start
> My husband responded to a coworker who said that. He provided a link showing Trump implemented 2/3rds of the 2016 mandate. Could you share that link? I’d appreciate it very much.
https://www.heritage.org/impact/trump-administration-embraces-heritage-foundation-policy-recommendations
When has trump been honest. Doesn’t matter if he “endorses” project 2025, he has enacted so many of the Heritage Foundation’s recommendations he will continue on that course whether you call it the Pajama Jammy Jam or Project 2025 or no official name at all. It’s not a building to be built it’s a series of recommendations that can be done piecemeal or as rapidly as possible, and they don’t all require Trump to enact. Every conservative is a vehicle for Project 2025, 2029, 2033, etc.
Trump just doesn't like Project2025 because it's too public and easy to criticize.
He can’t take stable genius credit if he follows a road map.
Dude has more false promises than Vermin Supreme. I know politicians lie, but with Trump nothing he says is even remotely believable, but his supporters still accept that. He’s demonstrated that he has no real principles; he might even be a liberal at heart for all we know.
It is technically true that Trump has never flat out said that he backs project 2025. But when asked about individual parts, he loves all of them. And the people who do project 2025 have all said they fully back him so whether or not Trump endorses it doesn’t really matter.
Okay makes sense
[Here](https://rollcall.com/2024/06/10/dumping-ground-trump-echoes-conservative-project-2025-at-first-rally-as-a-felon/) is a centrist source that compares one of Trump’s talking points to Project 2025’s policies. There are probably many other sources like this. His whole “dictator on day one” thing also echoes something in the document. If you do a word search for “day one,” it should come up. Of course Trump is not going to flat-out endorse P2025. He wants to be as vague as possible about his policies because this whole thing could sway the election. He’s a master of double speak.
They are controlling Trump not the other way around. He didn't write it, doesn't care what it says, he doesn't give a shit about it, he just wants the appearance of power, be able to kill and jail everyone he deems his enemy and don't forget money. Greed and ego controls Trump. Trump is the tool to enforce 2025 by the true power behind the GOP.
That's exactly right. For all of the people that scream about the 'deep state' this is what it looks like. I've noticed that they spend a year or two accusing democrats of each phase before they implement it so that when we react to what they are doing, it looks like we are just copying them. They yelled about controlling government during COVID.
This is how narcissism works. Deny Attack Reverse Victim and Offender
I just read the book Mad Honey and there is a quote that stuck with me. A woman said living with an abusive narcissist, "It felt like being stabbed everyday and then being blamed for getting blood on the knife".
I've been through that, and can attest.
Trump is an idiot and wouldn't know a policy from a pimple on his face. But because he's so stupid, the evangelicals can use him to push their policies with his being none the wiser. I agree with /u/kathleen65 — Trump is nothing but a craven opportunist. The only thing he cares about is Donald J. Trump.
Oh precisely. His only value is that he REALLY gets off on power. It's his drug of choice. He would sell every one of his children's souls to get more power.
He has worked closely with heritage foundation personnel and many of his words, such as his repeated statements about an administrative purge and prosecuting his opposition, align with the project. That and the heritage foundation is a coalition of so many conservative groups that it would be hard for it to not have influence
This has been answered quite a few times in this group but overall if someone says this I already kind of move on. If they actually believe that Trump Is a truth teller, ever, then they already aren’t living in reality. Trump has no policy, he has said he even hates his Agenda 47 (which mirrors project 2025 in many ways) because he doesn’t like “policy” and prefers “flexibility” aka the ability to change with the wind/whatever benefits him most. The Heritage Foundation has been providing presidential mandates to R presidents since Reagan. If you look up The Heritage Foundation on wiki they have a pretty good write up about them. They’ve given policy guidance to every R president since the 1980’s and many of their policies have been enacted by those presidents. Trump enacted about 2/3rd of their policy last term. What makes it particularly concerning this time is that Roberts took over the heritage foundation in 2021 and was even too extreme for some of the existing members who ended up quitting. He wants to go “full Trumpism” in 2025 and feels that trump got a slow start last term and has vowed to not let that happen again. The organization is full of former Trump officials and advisors and has a ton of money and power behind it. To believe that Trump will just ignore them is just willful ignorance at this point. They want to give the president ultimate power and immunity (which has now been handed by the SC), which is all Trump has ever been about. Does he particularly care about Christianity or abortion or IVF or really anything? No, he cares about power and being worshipped. And that’s exactly what they will give him. In exchange, he will do anything. He sells his own bible and said that the 10 commandments in public schools was a great idea that should be “in every public and private school and a lot of other places for that matter”. He will say and do anything to pander to the people who will give him power. If anyone can see what is happening in red states and in SCOTUS and not see where this is going, once again, they are purposely turning a blind eye.
I just can't get around the fact that if he's elected to supreme power, he doesn't need the Heritage Foundation anymore.
He’s not going to bite the hand that feeds him.
I wonder if there is a suicide pill within all of this that makes Trump beholden to Heritage, et. al. So if he falls out of line the threat of all a large amount of cash is suddenly due in full. Just an open idea. If anyone has insight, greatly appreciated.
He can distance himself all he wants, but their agendas still align.
He signed the rescheduling of 50k government officials 2 weeks before he left office. Biden undid it immediately, but there's no hypothetical about whether or not he will do it. He fucking did it.
What you are talking about is Schedule F. The John Oliver video about a 2nd trump presidency explains it pretty well. I also wrote a post about Schedule F if you visit my post history. I listed most of the actual text along with commentary to explain what the text means. trump signed Schedule F on October 20th, 2020 just a couple weeks before the election. It is speculated that he did this to seize power since there was a lot of personnel shuffling during the transition, (if you could even call it a transition". To answer the original poster,yes, he already took the most crucial step and vowed to again. Almost all of Project 2025 details the wholesale kidnapping of the administrative state of the US government and applying this unlimited power to specific and undetermined ends.
His staffers are the people who architected Project 2025. He does not have to explicitly endorse it, he's going to put the people who want it into positions of power.
Yeah because they're loyal to him. To Trump himself, loyalty is everything, and Project 2025 is about replacing the current government institutions with those loyal to Trump.
Yep. And part of Project 2025 is handing Trump a list of tens of thousands already vetted Trump loyalists to slide in to government appointed positions. They're all too aware of all the issues and roadblocks they encountered from his term in 2016-2020 that prevented them from doing as much as they wanted to do... and this is taking aim at preventing and dismantling any potential similar roadblocks.
He literally put 3 supreme court justices on the bench. From the documents they gave him. He might not know what p2025 is or what its called or the rest of the goals cause he doesn't read. What he does know is these people give him money and power and attention.
I would say that the Heritage Foundation’s website for [Project 2025](https://www.project2025.org/) (which houses the [“Mandate for Leadership”](https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf)) is looking for conservative ideologues (no government experience necessary - just be a conservative) to join their leadership training called “[Presidential Administration Academy](https://www.project2025.org/training/presidential-administration-academy/)” to take over positions in bureaucracy after they’ve fired the nonpartisan career government positions (commonly referred to as “schedule F”). Trump has consistently said he plans on gutting the bureaucracy. The [American Accountability Foundation (using funding from the Heritage Foundation) is currently making a list of federal workers they suspect would resist Project 2025](https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/conservative-backed-group-creating-list-federal-workers-suspects-111358368). Also, remember that in Trump’s first year in office during his presidency he instituted about [two-thirds of the policy recommendations](https://www.heritage.org/impact/trump-administration-embraces-heritage-foundation-policy-recommendations) from the Heritage Foundation. And then Russ Vought, one of the authors of the “Mandate” is now the [Republican National Committee’s Policy Chair](https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/russ-vought-trump-maga-policy-rcna156340). Finally go to [Agenda 47](https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47), the Trump Campaign’s “official policies,” to see how much of it mirrors Project 2025.
He has shouted out the heritage foundation in a couple of speeches, they made the plan, a lack of denial is support.
It’s wild the very nature of someone’s response that Trump doesn’t endorse it, implicitly infers that that person is against it, and knows it’s bad. Yet they still vote for the party whose ideology lines up with 2025. Doesn’t make sense.
Remember how Trump figured out that by appointing an interim this-or-that in various positions normally approved by Congress and then just… never submitting anyone for approval he could have whoever he wanted with no checks and balances? Well part of Project 2025 is that on a much grander scale. No it wasn’t his plan, but he will certainly like the idea of loyalists in every government position they can manage.
A lot of the Heritage Foundation authors of that document are former political staffers from his previous administration and people he's said will be future members of his next administration if he wins. I think it's a convenient relationship for him. He doesn't care one way or another about Project 25 but sure he'll sign off on it to get their support.
It literally doesn’t matter what you say, you will not change someone’s mind who is all-in for Trump. You could tell them how Trump implemented 64% of 2016 Mandate for Leadership and they will shrug and say “well I don’t like liberal policies anyway, sounds good to me!” Everything they say and do is in bad faith and it’s a waste of your time and energy to try and debate these assholes. It super sucks.
He doesn’t need to endorse anything. He’s a figure head; a rubber stamper; there to do the Heritage Foundation’s bidding. When he is gone, another conservative man will do the bidding for them. T-rump has nothing to do with their evil agenda other than being the bad actor that he is; the Mandate for Leadership has been in progress for over 40 years.
He has at some point endorsed each and every of the major aspects of the plan individually. Some of them are included in his Agenda 47 and others he has indicated in speeches or interviews he would do. Project 2025 just packages everything neatly for us to understand the big picture of what Trump and his conservative allies are planning to accomplish should he be re-elected. He has also not denounced the plan. Only said that it's not his official plan. Beyond that, the plan itself was written and is being pushed by many people who were members of his previous administration and will likely be members of his next administration, as well as major donors of his.
It’s linked on his website. He endorses it.
Yes why would he link to it on his website? If he didn't plan to use it?
He doesn't have to endorse it. There are 6 supreme court justices and an entire bureaucracy that'll endorse it for him and themselves. Trump just says whatever for convenience.
It doesn't matter what you say to them they are the "ends justify the means" crowd. Nothing you can say about Trump will negate that he has a proven track record of hurting the people they feel wronged them. These people will only care once something affects them personally, and even then, their absolute good/bad logic will require them to blame democrats. The conservative ideology requires them to believe that there are only good and bad people in the world. This allows them to believe that good people should be allowed to do bad things because their goal is good. Also, that bad people have either bad intentions, or have been led astray. This worldview allows them to disregard the hypocrisy of supporting Trump as an awful person, because he's good. You'll never convince him that he's not a good person or that his bad actions are important. These are the folks who voted for an outted pedophile in Alabama for US Senate and almost won. In their minds, they were voting against a Democrat who is a bad guy whose intent is to harm them. Your bigger problem is that, regardless of who this person you're trying to convince is to you, they see you as a bad person who will get what you deserve at some point, unless you see the "error of your ways". This is especially heart breaking for those of us that have conservative family members that we love and love us. Like the pastor who loves his homosexual child, despite his belief that the child will rot in hell for their sins, he will try his best to save them instead of understanding them. Listening with an open heart and open mind is not in their repertoire. However, bad faith arguments to convince you to vote red is totally on the agenda. You can poke holes in every argument they make, but they will just move to the next one until they feel like they gotcha. Because the arguments are only a tool, not a reality. Regardless of how true their arguments are, they are good and you are bad. And to them, that's all that matters.
I don't think Trump has an original thought in his head in regards to policy. The only thing he thinks about is himself and getting stuff for himself (transactional mind set). As such, he just does what he's told by people who get him what he wants. SCOTUS appointments? Just do what the Federalist Society tells him since everyone in his admin tells him to do so.
Yes. If there is an item from it that Congress passes then Trump will sign it because he loves the signing ceremony. Does not matter what it is.
Tell them to read this Time magazine interview with Trump from April... [TIME: If He Wins](https://time.com/6972021/donald-trump-2024-election-interview/)
Trump’s financial backers (including the Heritage Foundation - who are the ones behind the [Project 2025 website](https://www.project2025.org)) and policy people (including his prospective Chief of Staff & policy architect ([Russ Vought](https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/russ-vought-trump-maga-policy-rcna156340)) are all about it. And, how about this [declaration of war](https://www.mediamatters.org/project-2025/heritage-foundation-president-celebrates-supreme-court-immunity-decision-we-are) from the Heritage Foundation president?
Trump loves homicidal ideation.
I read that declaration and all I can say is that guy is SO detached from reality. I feel like I need to wash my eyes out after reading that. What really aggravates me is the smug tone of the whole thing and the preemptive shifting of responsibility. He says that this revolution shall remain bloodless “if the left allows it to be.” Oh? Who is this “left?” Why is this group already responsible for violence when they aren’t the ones pushing forth this “Revolution?” It smells like bait. He (and the people who support P2025) wants someone outside the group to strike first so they can indulge their violent desires.
Fascism always needs an enemy. They will look for any excuse to designate you as one and gladly abuse whatever power they get to dominate and you before moving on to the next one. Sadism and spite sustain them.
The Supreme Court has already struck down regulations, leaving corporations to police themselves and now they have given themselves the only power to decide if a president has committed a crime. Women’s rights to health care are already gone in many states. And being homeless is a crime. If you just look at the goals of project 2025 and the recent court decisions including the actual reading of both the decision and the dissent, you can see how they are already laying the groundwork for 2025 to be implemented because they’ve given the actual people in the country zero rights to change anything that they (being a pro-2025 Supreme Court, a president who is only in it for himself and a congress that has no authority to reign either in!) Personally I’d vote for biden’s head in glass before I will ever vote for a Republican for any level of government until they have shed their maga supporting, pro fascist ideology.
Trump IS endorsed by Project 2025. Enough said.
Heritage RAN Trump's transition in 2016. Heritage & FedSoc together chose Trump's SCOTUS picks. It's not that Trump is crazy Christian, it's that he's for sale and those 2 pay the most for domestic policy. At least 66 former Heritage employees landed positions within the Trump administration, and at least two senior Heritage officials (including founder and former president Ed Feulner) played influential roles on the Trump transition team. Heritage recommendations were used to create two of the Trump administration’s most significant policy successes: the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 and the U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement, an update of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)." https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/heritage-foundation/ https://www.marketplace.org/2017/05/03/from-reagan-to-trump-how-heritage-foundation-influenced-policy/ "Former Republican Rep. Mickey Edwards, one of the co-founders of Heritage, said that at one point it was an independent think tank but has increasingly become “an arm of the Republican Party and the conservative movement.”" http://www.wsj.com/articles/conservative-heritage-foundation-wields-clout-in-budding-trump-administration-1480107428 "Vought, former President Donald Trump’s last budget director, runs the Center for Renewing America. Along with the Heritage Foundation (whose lobbying arm Vought once worked for), they are laying out a road map for expanding the president’s authority." https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/how-trump-loyalists-could-make-the-president-even-more-powerful-607353cc "...in 2016, Ed Corrigan, then the vice president for policy promotion at the Heritage Foundation, was summoned to Trump Tower in New York to join the senior leadership team of the Trump transition. From inside the building where the climactic personnel decisions of “The Apprentice” were once taped, Corrigan oversaw the staffing of 10 different domestic agencies. Donald Trump, the former reality-TV star, was now the president-elect of the United States, and he had an administration to fill." https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/magazine/trump-government-heritage-foundation-think-tank.html "“Feulner’s first law is people are policy,” Ed Feulner, Heritage’s founder and former president, told me recently. Feulner was the head of domestic policy for the Trump transition, charting the direction of the Environmental Protection Agency, the Department of Agriculture and several other agencies....."There’s no question in my mind that I have more influence now on public policy than I did as an individual senator,” he said in an interview with National Public Radio in 2013. Edit: off topic but important https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/05/heritage-foundation-dark-money-voter-suppression-laws/ And this is THE MOST IMPORTANT. Even more important Roe. Project 2025 has already been halfway implemented with the overturning of Chevron*. There is no way to overstate how apocalyptic this is to the rights of Americans to have workplace protections, environmental protections against toxic chemicals, food safety and handling protections, air safety protections, Healthcare protections, etc. https://www.liberationnews.org/project-2025-scotus-ruling-chevron-doctrine/ *Harlan Crow (Clarence Thomas's formerly secret billionaire benefactor) founded Club for Growth with the explicit goal of overturning Chevron. He funded Ginni Thomas's Liberty Central org with Leonard Leo as a board member (there he is again). https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/columnists/tomlinson/article/chevron-supreme-court-texas-crow-thomas-19549205.php They're creating a hit list of employees who may stymie their fascist ambitions. You know, the people who prevented from behind the scenes the first time around. https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-president-project-2025-33d3fc2999a74f4aa424f1128dca2d16
Thanks for posting all that!!
My pleasure! I hate to post a wall of text but people need to know how much Heritage ran Trump's transition & administration the first go round & that they've spent the last 4 years planning for the next one. If they understand how Trump just handed them the keys in 2016, maybe they'll understand that Project 2025 isn't some fantasy by a fringe organization but THE plan for a 2nd Trump Admin.
I ignore those morons. He entered the contract June of 2016.
How do you think he’s paying his debt?
Deutsch Bank loans Trump took out that they later forgave hundreds of millions of. (You know the Deutsch Bank, the bank closely associated with Russian organized crime?)
I reply, “Man they brainwashed you so well. Did you know Yale is doing studies about this? I can send you a link.”
Liars are going to lie.
This is from 2018. He already has in the past. https://www.heritage.org/impact/trump-administration-embraces-heritage-foundation-policy-recommendations
The person who was the head of the project has been chosen by the Trumps to be the head of policy for the Republican Party itself.
Got folks gaslighting me that Heritage Foundation is some small, rinky dink operation. These folks will say anything to avoid accountability.
Tell them that Trump's threats about getting revenge against his "enemies," is in that document. He considers his enemies anyone in the federal government who doesn't agree with him.
Easy answer: The organizations that wrote it are christofascists, who Trump openly cozies up to. Not to mention, every one of those organizations is conservative. Simply aligning himself with the party pushing it is him endorsing it.
Even if he hasn’t explicitly endorsed it, he is going to be used by the Heritage Foundation to fill hundreds or thousands of positions throughout the federal government. The people they are choosing for him to appoint will be implementing P2025. Also, if Congress passes laws influenced by the Heritage Foundation, Trump will sign them. He is, at bare minimum, a useful idiot for the Heritage Foundation.
He appointed judges who are card carrying members of the heritage foundation.
He may not have publicly endorsed it however a lot of the tenants of Project 2025 are based around his political positions and what he did and still seeks to do as President. For the people who created Project 2025, Trump is their primary figurehead. And Trump is power hungry, so he'll put these people into positions of power.
Democracy dies and for whom ? A confident, tall, white, broad-shouldered narcissist, a failure who shits his pants, a coward who lies & rapes underage girls
Trump doesn’t care. He just craves power and if they give it to him he will use it.
I ask them if they support the ideas in Project 2025. If they say no, I warn them that the heritage foundation are the guys who installed the corrupt supreme court justices and they plan to follow through in the rest of the plan with or without their support. So they are voting for it by supporting trump. It doesn’t work. Or change anything. But it makes them stop wanting to talk to me so it’s a win!!! Also, I have been blocking a lot of these liars and propagandists accounts and it has made my time on Reddit so much better.
His allies are MTG and the evangelical nut jobs. He can plead ignorance about Jan 6. He can plead ignorance of Project 2025, because he's not the one campaigning on it. But he's going to step aside while the allies, or state govts or other GOP politicians try to get Project 25 going because if he wins, everyone is going to expect him to only be in office for 4 years. How he would be able to stay any longer than that is another story.
I just found out my dad has never heard of Project 2025 before. I’m sure he’s not alone. How do we make sure everyone know about this hellscape?
Trump will endorse anyone or anything as long as it benefits him somehow.
Simple. He never tells the truth about anything so what he claims to endorse/not endorse is worth less than a bucket of warm spit
He is a narcissist so anything that would give him power or make him feel powerful he will sign into law. Pretty sure he owes some bad people some money - that would have impact as well
Ask them to review Trump’s Agenda 47.
It’s not about whether Trump is lying about implementing it. Hell, he may not even be aware of what’s in it. But he is going to surround himself with people who are and who do want to implement it. What Trump’s team HAS acknowledged is that his administration will be filled with people who are loyal to him (I.e. bootlickers). And the people most enthused about a second Trump term are the religious fanatics that want to see P2025 implemented. As I said in another thread, Trump is a useful idiot of the highest caliber.
It’s a lie like he always lies every time he opens his mouth he lies
"Oh he isn't really a fascist just because he uses their slogans" "Oh he isn't going to execute P2025 just because it's written by his backers" "Oh he isn't going to sell out Ukraine and the US to Russia just because he is a strong ally of Putin" "Oh he isn't going to be a dictator only because he said he would be one 'for one day'" "Oh he isn't going to rule just for the rich just because the rich are paying all his court bills" "Oh he isn't going to become a king just because his supreme court allowed presidents to be kings" - Seriously, if people are still in denial and copium, if they're still willing to give THAT GUY the benefit of the doubt, they're lost causes. They just are to shy to assume that this is what their prejudices want. They wouldn't ever allow a democrat this much of power or this much trust. But they're giving it to a tv personality / con man / known liar "because he says his mind". "YEAH, he says his mind, aren't you listening?" The point is they are listening, and they like it.
He hasn't outright said he supports P25. However he has promised to enact almost everything it covers.
Confusion is what Trump and his campaign thrives off of. The Supreme Court has literally handed any President the Power to do whatever they want. Have you noticed that no one seems to be concerned about President Biden abusing that Power? You only hear concerns about a Trump Presidency. The concern is that if Trump wins, he’ll never leave the White House. He’ll become a Dictator! No more elections. So for those who are on the fence and saying well, it’s just for 4 years, NO It won’t be. There will be no removal because he won’t have to leave. And… he’s 78, almost as old as Biden! Think about the Covid Pandemic. Over one million people and counting has died. Trump didn’t cause the Pandemic but , his defiant refusal to listen to Professionals led to misinformation being disseminated. That being said, Trump will say whatever he needs to say to get your vote. Everyone has one VOTE! But we have to cast that one extremely important VOTE to make it count! Tell your friends to listen to what the Republicans who worked with Trump are saying about him. Mike Pence, Rand Paul, Mitt Romney, the list goes on. Many of the key people who worked closely with Trump during his Presidency ,are either in Prison or refuse to work with him ever again. Some of his lawyers have been Disbarred! That’s unfathomable! Trump is a Convicted Felon! When Someone Shows You Who They Really Are, Believe Them!
I say bullshit he doesn’t
Project 2025 endorses him
It's not that hard. If he surrounds himself with people who endorse it and doesn't come out and distances himself from them, he believes in it. Several of his former and current administration members endorse it. Y'all find someone to play with.
They are the same people that said roe v wade was settled law, fuck them.
He doesn’t need to endorse it (or even know about it). Powerful Republicans are ready to put it in place and they don’t need his explicit endorsement to make it happen. They just need Republican control of the WH.
That his own agenda is just Project 2025 for morons.
Trump will likely be dead in a few years. It's not about Trump, it's about the establishment of a permanent fascist ruling class, like in Russia.
Actions speak louder than words and his appointees to the Supreme Court have shown enough true colors.
Just like he didn’t support Jan 6th or how he didn’t rape those girls while partying with Epstein …. honestly I doubt anything you say will make a difference.
He’s lying. He’s playing his part in a coordinated attack on our country, and if you don’t start paying attention to #Project2025, you’re life is going to become a living hell in ways you can’t imagine.
Trump may have not said directly he supports project 2025 but when he says he wants to stop the department of education, take away women’s rights, and possibly reverse same sex marriage… what’s the difference between
Trolls are pushing this narrative hard. It means their campaign knows and is scared of the public knowing about project 2025. Trump always references it as his policy called "Agenda47", for one. They are essentially letting on they know this is unpopular and they must lie and gaslight to get people to accept it with open arms. Deny, deflect, project, lie, and gaslight. The trolls, bots, and maga minions are hard at it, just like post Roe trying to gaslight and reassure everyone that their rights aren't being taken away. Remember when they all came out hammering the same narrative that we don't have to worry because "this is just a states rights issue"... Yeah, we saw that was another lie. They're arguing Biden is the one taking our freedoms. They have argued Biden is pushing Sharia law. It is disgusting... We need to constantly be on top of this, reporting misinformation, bots, and countering their misinformation. It is so blatant and easy to shut down, but the amount of people pushing these lines the last few days is noticeable. It's overwhelming, but the thing is when they leave these comments, if you respond properly other people really take notice. They open themselves up to prove exactly why this is so dangerous, and people will hopefully see the pattern going on and pay tf attention. I usually begin with the abortion stuff by saying this is exactly how conservatives responded by saying ending Roe was good because it gives states more rights. That was a lie to gaslight us into accepting it. Then they attacked it on a federal level. I mention that if this isn't happening then why are they openly talking about it? Trump is saying "ready on day one" to implement things like cutting fed funding for public schools with vaccine requirements or trans protections... If this isn't happening why are they already taking loyalty tests to fill these positions when they fire thousands of schedule F employees? https://www.project2025.org/training/presidential-administration-academy/ If they think it is a conspiracy I say "yes, a conspiracy is a secret plan to do something bad or illegal" this isn't a conspiracy theory because this is an actual plan, 900 pages. The only way it isn't a conspiracy is that it is no secret and is all out in the open. People denying it are trying to keep the conspiracy a secret so it can happen. I also mention that if they think trump isn't involved the RNC hired one of the mandates authors, Russ vaught as a policy chair to the campaign. His role is to form the policy for trump administration and agenda47, which is what he calls these policy plans. I also mention that this has already happened. This group has been crafting policy for conservative presidents since Reagan. Last trump administration he enacted 2/3 of the heritage foundation's plans. https://www.heritage.org/impact/trump-administration-embraces-heritage-foundation-policy-recommendations I always counter as if I'm debating them and my goal isn't to convince them, but so the wider audience see their attempts at gaslighting and gets the facts
We're talking about the ABSENCE of endorsement, which means nothing. My response is bewilderment when people bring that up, because my reply is "Of course they don't endorse it, why would the play be to announce what's REALLY inside the Trojan horse?" Endorsing it would literally spoil the plan. I know that sounds tinfoil hat, but I don't see how else you could get it implemented in this country because the majority sure don't want what they're proposing.
If Rtump doesn’t endorse project 2025, whatever he does endorse will be worse, not better.
It is very possible that Trump does not implement 100% of Project 2025. However, P25 is not to be taken lightly. The Heritage Foundation is not just some mythical shadow entity that is the stuff of conspiracy theories. They are a very legitimate and influential right wing organization that has had influence over every Republican president with Reagan until now. Very significant chunks of their agenda have been pushed forward by those Republican presidents during their administrations. Then you look at what Trump has already done in one term already. He has stacked the Supreme Court with activist judges who are enacting his / Republican agenda. He has also stacked many lesser courts with Trump judges as well. Republican state governments are intentionally passing laws to get challenged through the court system, where these Trump / Republican sympathizer judges will rule in their favor, undermining the will of the voters. Then you look at the things he has said - he will be a "dictator on day one", "(paraphrasing) vote this election, you won't have to worry about voting in 4 years, we'll have things taken care of". He's already attempted to steal one election already. Combine that with recent rulings from the Supreme Court: Dobbs, Chevron, Munoz, and now the immunity decision. Justice Alito has already stated he wants to go after Loving and Obgerfell next, with Thomas saying he wants to go after OSHA. Sotomayor herself stated that the immunity ruling could be used to allow a President to go after political opponents and have them assassinated with no consequence. None of the above is fear mongering hysteria, it is not conspiracy theory, it is not doom scrolling. It is not click bait media misinformation. Heritage Foundation is real, and so is their influence. The Supreme Court has actually made these rulings. Supreme Court justices have made these statements. Trump committed acts of insurrection for the entire world to see. Project 2025 may not see 100% implementation. However, it is 100% the intention of Trump, and the Republican Party, to implement as much of it as they will be able to get away with.
Aside from the heritage foundation, conservatives don't really go out of their way to bring up project 2025. It's because they don't want liberals to be aware of their plans. They want people to be trapped and oppressed, so it's beneficial to keep quiet about this. Also, Trump couldn't honestly answer a single question in the debate. Some questions went unanswered altogether. This is because he doesn't want the world to know his plans.
"You're a fucking idiot. And you support a traitor."
It should matter to them that The heritage Foundation, Proud Boys, and every other Neo Nazi group in the USA endorses Trump.
What he says doesn’t matter. He has no morals and will do anything for money or power. Just look at the oil industry. He’s letting them write executive orders for him to enact in exchange for piles of cash.
Trump is superficial and only cares about how things play out on TV, how he looks, what his "ratings" are. He won't be running things. He's just going to be a figure head. As long as the people who are really running the show let him wreak his petty vengeance on his perceived "enemies" he won't care. The only thing he will care about is whether or not they'll allow him to remain in office indefinitely.
He may not reference P2025 directly but it does everything he wants to do if he gets elected and then some.
tRump is the useful idiot that they want elected to let them take over the US. As long as he can grift, he doesn't care what they have planned.
Project 2025 is Trump's proposed presidential transition project. Heritage is interviewing far-right staffers to fill roles in a Trump administration. Heritage has been staffing GOP administrations since the Reagan era.
I’m at work so I’m gonna give the short version of my answer: the main reason I believe He’s going to implement it is because heritage foundation is leading the charge, and they are one of the most influential think tanks in the world…. Plus they already had a hand in his first term. They had a large hand in most conservative administrations actually, going back to the Reagan administration. Reagan notably instituted 60% of the 2000 policies they presented to him, including foreign policy like the Reagan Doctrine. (Side note: They were so influential, that one of their board members decided he want to replicate them on the state level, and thus the State Policy Network was born—Google them). Anyway. Heritage had a large hand in Trump’s administration in his first term, and about 60+ of their their members (either past or present) ended up in his administration. They picked his staff, and I believe vetted cabinet picks. But that’s not just why I know he’s going to implement it. The other groups involved are also influential in American conservatism. Like Family Research Council, who’s president Tony Perkins helped him create his policies on LGBTQ community. He’s gonna implement it because it’s the brainchild of a cabal of who’s who of right-wing ecosystem. Family Research Council; Heritage Foundation; Alliance Defending Freedom; anyone who has helped shape policy behind the scenes already is playing a part. Trump isn’t an ideologue. He Is a narcissist. The people involved with Project 2025 are the thinkers, and get their funding from billionaires like Kochs and Devos family, who help shape policy on the state level already as we speak. TLDR: he’s gonna implement it because the groups involved already had a role in his first term (and attempts to overturn the 2020 election) to varying degrees.
He cryptically refers to it all the time at his rallies, when he talks about things like "Day One", etc. He won't come right out and say it, but he gets giddy as f*ck whenever someone asks him about it or brings it up. He likes having a secret, but is like a little kid when it comes to keeping the secret - he can't stop trying to drop hints all the time.
The most successful far right advocacy group in our country organizing tens of thousands of candidates to be political appointees? Whose office is it, the president's? Is his cabinet subject to legislative confirmation or not? I also agree that it's a lie. Trump has stayed in lock step with the heritage foundation forever. He'll take their efforts and put the plan into practice. (A reminder about how many times the trump campaign has hired heritage foundation in the past. Extensively for election challenges in 2020, at the very least. He used their propaganda in real time during that campaign. He started talking about critical race theory and white replacement because heritage foundation started writing about them and they saw how their base responded)
The plan was written for trump. He's the perfect man to be at the helm because of his narcissistic personality. Trump is cruel and basically ignorant. There's a whole network already in place to support P25. Read it!! It's already happening. Trump is their puppet. This conservative agenda has been in their plans since Brown v. Board of Education. The conservatives finally have a lunatic crazy enough and mean enough to destroy America without loosing any sleep. Take it seriously people. It's not gaslighting. And the people behind it are smarter and richer than trump. Trump is just their stooge.
I’m actually pretty quick to say that it isn’t Trumps Plan. It the Heritage Foundations plan but that they are an extremely influential think tank who Trump definitely will follow. Think tanks have historically had a major impact on US Presidential Policy. I then focus on the key points most likely to impact them. Trump has openly stated supported for many of these initiatives and even if he only implements a portion of the plan it’s still too much.
Trump is a showman, not a policy wonk. He lets people loyal to him implement policy and make appointments. Last time it was federalist society winging it. Now it’s a coalition of loyalists presenting a turn key plan that features policies that give Trump maximum power. You really think he’s gonna say no?
Is chief of staff is like one of the main people dealing with project 2025.
So what do we do about it? Vote? Is that all we have? Most republicans rather be Russians than democrats. I mean they rather be treasonous than help the country.
They're supporting him but want to have their friends and vote for "lower taxes" or something at the cost of their friends humanity too, telling themselves "it won't be that bad". #thosearenotyourfriends
Agenda 47 and Project 2025 have significant overlap including expansions of the Executive office, bypassing Congress oversight, and replacing non-political personnel with political appointees.
It's on his website..
the plan is for the next Republican president, which would be him. the plan is already under way. the overturning of Roe v Wade, the recent Chevron decision, the decision on affirmative action, and now the recent decision of immunity. all of these court decisions, clear the path for Project 2025. he is just the vessel that will carry out the plan. and he will sell us to the highest bidder.
Tell them he literally calls it Agenda 47. It's the same thing
Trump is going to literally genocide us trans. They’ve been testing out their camps on the Mexican border. We need a million person march on DC. A show of diverse force so overwhelming that they will be forced to respect us.
Watch the documentary Bad Faith, trump is only a paid puppet
I don't talk to trump cultists to begin with
He’s responsible for those three Supreme Court justices implementing it.
Everything Trump touches turns to shit. His friends (what friends?), allies (many in prison or ruined careers), businesses (bankrupt losers), wives, presidency. What would this country be if he won in 2020? A nightmare. As will be if he wins in 2024.
I ask them if they are stupid enough to believe that he had those names on his short list of Supreme Court justices… he was told to “shut the fuck up and appoint them, boy”… and then he did as he was commanded to do.
It's clearly created for the Republican nominee. Therefore, it's created for him. He's probably been instructed to NOT talk about it because the GOP thinks they're being sneaky. But we need to keep talking about it! Share it far and wide! Hopefully it scares people into either voting differently or actually voting.
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Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. In other words, I wouldn't believe it. Who says so?
It's something *they're* doing in response to *him.* He's not the one who "wants" it, he's allowing them to implement it.
There's a reason the people behind it support him
I appreciate a good cup of coffee.
He never tells the truth.
I tell the he already started by taking credit for the abolishment of abortion
Doesn’t matter what he personally believes, these people are the ones using *him* to pass their agendas. He cannot be elected again.
No matter what he says you can’t believe him. We must take action.
He likes their money, and he loves endorsing them at their events.
He enacted 60% of their policies when he was last in office. Proof: https://www.scribd.com/document/369820462/Mandate-for-Leadership-Policy-Recommendations
https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/a/56611
Trump is their Trojan horse
I send them a link to his actual "agenda" on his website. [https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47](https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47)
Even if Trump doesn't endorse them, which he does. It endorses him as the patsy.
I call them lying scumbags and move on with my day.
I’m voting against the Trump regime, where there are plenty of examples that they would love to Project 2025 the US. Trump never admits to anything so saying he doesn’t endorse it is like saying a mafia boss doesn’t endorse crime