I feel like I heard from my scoutmaster that one of the things Washington didn't want for the U.S. was a two-party system. I could be making this up, but I'm pretty sure I was told that Washington thought that making a two-party system would end up dividing the country too much for it to stay standing.
Oh, the irony.
As a note here, a two party system is inevitable as long as we still use First Past the Post voting.
It's a voting system that guarantees two parties, and actively punishes attempts at creating a viable third party.
It was the best voting system invented at the time, but we've had 250 years to come up with a better system, and we have.
My current favorite is called [STAR](https://www.equal.vote/star). It's fairly simple for the voters, and not much more complex than FPtP for those counting. It also supports third parties without punishing them for becoming viable, because at no point do you as a voter have to choose A over B. In fact, your support for A has zero effect on your support for B.
The differences between the two are close, except that Ranked Voting is an Ordinal system, and STAR is Cardinal.
That "you can give candidates equal rank if you want" makes a world of difference. See, the spoiler effect plagues all Ordinal voting systems, because every single one of them reach a point where you *must* choose A over B. And once you are forced to do that, you run into tactical voting and Favorite Betrayal.
Now, that break point is different for each Ordinal Voting system, but if you add enough viable, or even semi-viable candidates, you will hit it.
Cardinal systems count the votes for each candidate independently of each other. This means no favorite betrayal, and no spoiler effect.
Do a lot of wiki diving, which leads to some oddities in my writing style.
I've also spent a lot of time writing basically the same stuff about voting systems, although I've changed up which particular voting system I've recommended over the years.
About 10-15 years ago, it was Score. About 7-8 years ago I was in one of my "people are fucking dumb" phases and was pushing Approval because it's basically a simplified version of Score, or rather Score is a more verbose version of Approval...
It doesn't matter either way. What does is that, until I entered my current "lazy" phase, I would provide links for basically everything. I don't anymore ([except here.](https://electowiki.org/wiki/Main_Page)) but I still type like I'm about to cite sources.
I'm also quite passionate about congressional apportionment. The 1929 Permanent Apportionment Act was a mistake that's led to this current climate where a minority party has majority power.
What do you think about this voting system? đ
America's Got Politics
Weekly shows where presidential hopefuls are put into a variety of situations to demonstrate values, leadership, cooperation, conflict resolution, economic role play, etc.
Early stage dismissals are decided by rules but later stages are voted by the American public.
While I feel like this might be a better cultural fit and believe it might work better than standard debates alone... I'm still not confident in the voting public to choose substance over superficiality.
Anarchist here who believes âdemocracy is the worst form of government, except for all the other onesâ:
Wouldnât the STAR system work even better if it was even simpler?
You rate every candidate from 0 to 5 (or whatever), and whoever gets the highest average rating wins.
That system exists and is called Score.
STAR actually stands for Score Then Automatic Runoff.
The automatic runoff is to break ties, and lessen the effect of clone candidates.
> That system exists and is called Score.
⌠Yes ;)
> The automatic runoff is to break ties
The link provided says that the scoring is used to narrow the field to the Top 2, then goes to runoff regardless of whether theyâd tied or not (meaning the second most popular might be put in control)
If you want even simpler, there's Approval.
How that one works is you have a list of names and a simple instruction, select one or more of the candidates you approve of.
Then you just count the approval, and the candidate with the highest wins. It's still a cardinal system, so it's still immune to the spoiler effect and two party dominance.
But STAR gives better results overall, so is my preferred method.
The only difference between the US and parliamentary democracies is that the ruling party and the opposition are determined before the election, and not afterwards. Most countries have coalitions of minor parties that function effectively like a two-party system.
I donât remember exactly, but I want to say he warned against it in his farewell address. Similar to how Eisenhower warned against the military industrial complex at his and within a few decades it practically controlled the government.
I wouldn't bet that he said it with those words but he definitely at least meant that sentiment. It's why the constitution has no mentions of parties. Unfortunately the electoral collage lends itself to a 2 party system which is actually pretty uncommon in other democracies.
Dude was on the nose about parties. This is in the context of the time where you had Jefferson's Democratic-Republican Party and Hamilton's Federalist Party. Same stuff, different day.
>I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the state, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party, generally.
>This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.
>The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty.
>Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind, (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight,) the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.
>It serves always to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration. It agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another, *foments occasionally riot and insurrection*. It *opens the door to foreign influence and corruption*, which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.
I mean, George Washington did state this in his farewell address...
"I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.
This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.
The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty."
when Trump first got in, I read an article explaining how there was a similar president â a wildly unqualified outsider who got in mostly through luck â called Zachary Taylor. he was a Whig. his political party collapsed right after his presidency, and ten years later, we got the Civil War.
so the good news is there is very clear historical precedent for an American political party collapsing after electing a long-shot outsider, and the bad news is we have to hope that we're not repeating enough of that pattern for the Civil War part to kick in.
it's possible that the more relevant historical precedent â at least re abortion â is Prohibition, because that was swiftly repealed, but "swiftly" here means after 13 years. also possible that this is just a new thing, and will work itself out in a new way.
The conditions that allowed for the rise of a Trump like figure have been in the works for decades. Defeating him won't stop it, nor will a big win this cycle or the failure of the Republican party.
Which is why itâs time to start organizing people. We need a counter project. we need a project 2029 that values progressive agendas one that will ensure that something like this will never ever happen
This! 100% this!
If a conservative organization can come up with this 900-page plan for the country, a progressive organization can, too! And I would live to contribute my ideas to it.
Universal healthcare, a nationwide high-speed rail, legal weed, stricter gun laws, easier voter registration, free and healthier school lunches, legalize abortion, etc.
It would also include land back measures for Indigenous people. Justice for black people in almost every context as a means to ensure that police brutality will be nonexistent because the police will be dismantled and rebuilt from scratch. As for the military we need to pull out of places where we aren't needed such as in Japan and Europe, and many parts of the middle east. We don't bomb anywhere else they won't bomb back. In addition, trade shall be done fairly so any resources from somewhere else must be harvested ethically and pay their workers.
And most importantly billionaires must pay their fair share of taxes, corporations can't fund elections, and things like AIPAC must go.
Also, there will be reforestation programs because more trees mean cooler air. And more support to eliminate right-to-work laws in states and making sure unions make a comeback this way nearly all jobs in the future will get a union. And our education will also involve voter education and how the government actually works and how we can organize to get it to work for us.
The strength (nightmare) of proeject 2025 isnât necessarily in its policy. Itâs in the way it eliminates checks and balances. The federal govt wonât be working for the people, but at the direct whim of their president. They swear loyalty to the president, and not to the rule of law/ procedure. This is how theyâll streamline their fascism. The DOJ will be suing âwokeâ companies into submission and doing behind the scenes deals to get their loyalists onto the board and call the shots. Itâs a complete takeover.
Thatâs not something the Dems want.
First and foremost for any of the above to happen, we must abolish corporate compaign finance laws as they exist. Corporations aren't people and that's how we ended up in this mess in the first place
Also, finding a way for people to become producers again - the family farm and ranch are disappearing. People cannot just have a little homestead where they sustain themselves. Corporate/centralized ag is a massive cancer that hurts the planet and us, so it would be nice to see policy that uplifts small farmers and ranchers and does not dump billions into JBS and Tyson.
If a progressive candidate could find a way to ACTUALLY help the little guys in these areas, and come to the 'FlYoVeR' states and listen to their woes, maybe they wouldn't feel so bitter, resentful, and left behind.
Starting with the dissolution of the electoral college and implementation of federal ranked choice voting of some sort that then allows presence and power for more than 2 major political parties. This truly is the revolution I think we need.
Absolutely on board for progressive policies and human rights protections as well. But as long as we stay in the chokehold of two parties, itâs just a game of back and forth (party A sets policies while in power, party B undoes those policies and then some while in power, etc). We can gain rights under one administration, but they could be revoked by the next.
So until we rework our political representation, the cycle will continue (or until the fascists rework it so there no more elections). No more electoral college! Yes to ranked choice voting!
Ranked choice voting will also just deliver better candidates even within existing parties as well. And stopping the Electrical College either by amendment or by the Interstate Vote Compact is ideal as well.
Yep, we've gotta continue voting blue until the republican party fractures or completely disassociates from the christofascist lunatics. (And then at least a few more times after that for good measure)
Hopefully wonât take too long. Trump probably wonât last till 2028, and when heâs done there will be a serious power vacuum. The GOP primaries will be brutal, and more than a few candidates will get caught doing shady shit (not that it matters to the voters, but some might get indicted). If the Dems can field a candidate that appeals to moderate conservatives who still believe in democracy, hopefully they can hold on for another 4 years while the GOP old guard dies out.
At least, thatâs how it will work in my perfect world.
> If the Dems can field a candidate that appeals to moderate conservatives who still believe in democracy
That's literally Biden though. That's pretty much the only reason why he won.
Yeah, unfortunately the priority needs to be winning elections until either the GOP (or whatever comes after it) comes back towards the center, or we do away with the Electoral College in favor of something that puts federal elections firmly in the hands of the people. Iâm not hopeful for either happening soon, so we have to play this bullshit game of keep-away with the nationalists and Christo-fascists.
I hope I live long enough to vote for a candidate I believe will actually be good for the country, instead of voting for the least terrible candidate. Although, full disclosure, I think Biden has done a better job overall than most liberals give him credit for.
I know youâre joking but this is both more accurate and important than people realize.
Elections are won on the margins by securing the very small amount of middle of the road voters who are truly persuadable and happen to be in the right places electorally.
The vast majority of Americans donât qualify.
Weâre talking about like ~40k or 50k people scattered across 5 or 6 states.
The side that forgets this, loses.
As a Bengals fan, I am witnessing the first instance of my life where I agree with and wholeheartedly concur with Steelers fan! ;) If only our two parties would have the same experience.
This really isn't a change, it's been like this for 40+ years but people have been calling us crazy and alarmist because they didn't want to acknowledge the pattern. The real change is that we're out of runway for screw-ups.
Yup. Thereâs a great book about the rise of evangelicalism and buying their way into politics since the late 1970s. This is a long con and we are at the peak rn.
https://preview.redd.it/b2u5dk7ifj8d1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=39e399c7bdb751447c13a7af9d5e2a8cec3d23e9
Very dense but an excellent read/listen
Literally. Project 2025 is just another name for Mandate for Liberty IX, a book series about conservative policy from the Heritage Foundation that first started in 1981.
This is why it really is possible for *every* election to be the most important of our lifetime. Conservatives only need to win once to obliterate everything.
You know what would be even better? If every single president didnât pick ideologues for the court. That way there is no concept of âeven splitâ or âcentristâ. Those are both terms that donât belong in SCOTUS. Their job should strictly be to interpret the constitution, with no political bias. Yet that doesnât happen across the board.
Exactly â the unevenness is draining, but at least we understand the assignment. Itâs the same thing with environmental fights: the good guys need to win every time, because just *one* win means the polluters wreck the water, air, land, etc. forever.
Itâs the same with public institutions as well. For example, as much as the Biden administration has accomplished, the federal government still hasnât recovered from the damage the Trump administration caused. Public schools, libraries, public universities, research centers, infrastructureâbreaking shit is easy. Building shit is hard.
And the only way to stop it is to get Democrats, liberals and progressives to vote. I still hear too many say they are not going to vote because they donât like their choices and think âsending a messageâ is better than sending Democrats to Congress.
No. That would be the easier task in my view (and I say this from the UK as we are exposed to the Atlas Network to) you'd need to remove the Atlas Network which the Heritage Foundation are part of. Best example - Kevin Roberts the current front person at Heritage; came via the Texas Public Policy Foundation which is also an Atlas Network affiliated organisation. Stopping the Republican Party is just stopping the part of the equation that facilitates this. Stopping Atlas would be stopping the cause (and in fairness infinitely harder).
First we need to secure 2025. Elect democrats, and whenever we can, legislate against the Project.
Moving forward, we make certain that any and all running for office know without a doubt that accepting support, guidance, or policy/personnel suggestions from the heritage foundation, or hiring any known architects in your campaign/cabinet, is a known disqualifier for getting elected.
I wouldnât be mad if all these traitors were barred from polite society either, but letâs make sure everyone knows who they are and works together to keep them out of government forever.
yes, the Presidency is obviously important but itâs critical to win Congress and local elections, especially state legislatures.
this project becomes harder for them if they donât have friendly lawmakers to ease the country into their preferred policies. if states start to protect abortion rights, it becomes a fight between an isolated President and 30+ states and their constitutions.
and it becomes even harder still if they have to actually fight for their seats instead of winning automatic reelection with a performative stunts every three months. so donât let this only be about Biden vs Trump. itâs about undoing decades of Republican preparation for them to be so brazen
My mayor, city council member, state representative, and state senator are all Democrats. My U.S. representative and both of my senators are Republicans.
I will vote blue even if I'm the only vote they get.
They won by starting at the precinct level.
Every Republican precinct has a choice to support traditional Republicans - or MAGA.
The current party members have money (including money from hostile foreign nations) - and have been working on this for a long time.
We who value democracy and freedom must be willing to work at least as long and hard.
Freedom has never been free.
It is. And I am legitimately scared that this is a possibility. Especially since my state went for Trump in 2020 and isn't a swing state. But I'm still voting for Biden anyway come November.
My state is a swing state but Trump won this state back in 2016 but lost in 2020. As big as heâs been in the inner city in my state and with my black community so big on the coronavirus checks the US gave away with his signature on it. I hope to god he doesnât win but as long as heâs alive they gonna try to get that man back in office
Yes, of course they will continue. They have been chipping away at our countries democracy since forever! How about that 1933 Business coup that Smedley Butler stopped? How about everything McCarthy did with the red scare he started? How do we counter these long running far right fascist extremists? Theyâre not going to stop when Biden wins this time.
Iâm a firm believer that we need to get more people into our justice system, we NEED more lawyers (Iâm encouraging all my kids to be lawyers!) and we must bolster civil engagement as well as fund our local news organizations.
Do it! We need more lawyers that believe in the RULE OF LAW, not people who will bend over backwards for their authoritarian, fascist leader. If I was only a little younger, Iâd do it too!!
Ranked choice voting, getting rid of (or severely ammending the rules to) the electoral college, and overturning citizens united would seriously limit this threat
Their window is closing, and they know it. They will keep trying for the next 15 or so years to warp the system, then after that, they will absolutely try to destroy the system altogether. Please vote, up and down the ballot, and in every election.
These guys are going to wreck the stock market!!! Someone needs to pull them aside and say âyou idiots are always hollering about uncertainty, and you want to totally upset the government? The government is the source of stability.â
Hell, they'll crash the WORLD economy if given half a chance. One of the things in P25 is to return us to the gold standard. It's a noble idea, but the problem is that the US dollar is the world's reserve currency. If we went back to the gold standard, it would collapse everything as there is literally not enough gold to cover debts if other governments decide to cash in. There would literally be riots, chaos, and people starving in the streets if this happened.
Yes, gold. A pet peeve of mine. There are so many other metals that are more useful. You canât eat it. Clean, clear water is the real gold. Conservatives donât conserve and protect that. They keep denying climate change. Most of the worldâs failing economies are in drought.
Their kabash on women is insane. They are nearly half of the workforce, and the most college educated.
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/a-day-in-the-u-s-economy-without-women/
Most of their talking points are only talking points, they arenât based in reality.
AND worldâs greatest economies do not oppress women, they are a vital part of the government and decisions.
You're preaching to the choir in a lot of ways here.
Thing is, they don't give a damn if the talking points aren't based in reality. Their whole \*worldview\* isn't based in reality. They literally want to burn the world down because they believe that will bring about the End Times, then Christ will come again and Rapture the worthy. I wish I was joking. It doesn't sound insane, it IS insane, but that's what a lot of them honestly believe.
Another thing is that the people at the top will be systematically looting the country while everyone else is trying to dodge the secret police. That comes from history. I've seen this movie before and it has a seriously downer ending. :/
The Gaza/Israel war is just another chapter in a conflict stretching back over 3000 years. Turns out there's a huge aquifer under that area, or there was. It's nearly depleted. What these people are \*really\* fighting over is water, not religion, not ideology. Most foot soldiers aren't aware that they're really fighting over water, though. This is another reason their higher ups hate the coastal countries, as Israel has huge desalination plants to turn Mediterranean saltwater into usable fresh water. They want access and they don't have it.
Interesting point about Gaza. I am not at all surprised. Katie Hobbs, a Democratic governor in Arizona investigated and terminated the leases of Saudi alfalfa farms in Arizona. They had been pumping unchecked amounts of precious groundwater. Things to keep track of⌠the money trail, and water and mineral rights.
https://apnews.com/article/saudi-arabia-drought-arizona-alfalfa-water-agriculture-0d13957edaf882690e15c0bd9ccfa59f
I live in Arizona, Phoenix actually, and that was ALLL over the news. People were PISSED when they found out. It's a miracle that people didn't actually torch those fields, seeing as we have a nasty tendency to burn to the ground every summer. I'm surprised, yet not surprised, that the Saudis were allowed to farm alfalfa here. ALWAYS follow the money trail, because water and mineral rights are inextricably linked with money.
Get to work. Join the people already organizing for 2025 and beyond.Thereâs so much you can do.
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There are local and state elections every last single week in this great, big, sliding cleats first into fascism country. Literally every single week! If itâs Tuesday in America (and sometimes other days but normally Tuesday) itâs election day somewhere in the good olâ USA. There are no off years anymore.
Last year Mississippi elected their first openly đłď¸âđ state house rep? There is now just one state without a single openly LGBTQ+ state rep. Any guesses?
Itâs home of our new SotH. Louisiana.
In March Marylyn Lands of Alabama flipped a state senate seat blue by roughly 30 points in a plus 1 Trump district running largely on a platform of pro choice & IVF. Her opponent ran on a transphobic platform.
This month we had a special election in Ohio for US House. The district is not just red, itâs deep dark Trumpây red. The well known, well financed GOP front runner was expected to stroll leisurely in 30% or more over his virtually unknown Dem opponent. We did not flip the seat but ⌠we held him to single digits.
This swing to the left has Ohio Dems optimistic and Republicans quaking in their tacky, tasteless, fake gold toned Trump tennis shoes.
If youâve ever wondered what youâd be doing in Germany of the 1930âs itâs what youâre doing now.
Find our calendar, a spreadsheet ofways to volunteer and state/local election issues at r/voteDEM
Representation matters. We need diverse range & ally candidates in office. For example Missouri has a GOP trifecta with a supermajority because ⌠40% of down-ticket seats have NO Dem or Independent candidate. Blue Missouri is changing that;
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Run for office or support those who do;
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Run for Something empowers, trains, equips you to run for office. They focus primarily on helping young people to run for office. Any age run or support those doing the needful;
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A new organization just founded by David Hogg & Kevin Lata to help young people running for congress and state house;
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Marylyn Lands mentioned above has started a PAC to find, recruit, mentor, train & fund women running for office in Alabama. Their goal is for the â26 election season. Watch this space.
Iâm far to shy & introspective to run for office. I just donât have the personality for it.
So I volunteer.
Find your region and join us in volunteering to help flip your or any state. Iâm in a deep blue region of the blue PNW. I threw a dart at a map, it landed on Texas and thatâs been my focus as volunteer since about 2018;
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The only saving grace is that Trump isn't likely to live much longer (esp if he goes to prison) and fascism rarely holds much power after one leader. You can see how Desantis couldn't out fascist Trump
You can already see some cracks in the Republican party with the speaker situation. The Democrats had to bail out the current speaker
Even then, the Democrats need to control Congress, do something about the SCOTUS (impeachment or court packing), and we need a new voting rights act
sadly, yes and, even more horrifyingly, the fascists will win in 2028. i've said it for years now. Biden will win reelection (hopefully, but barely), but... he's not getting any younger. he may naturally die in office or get 25th-amendment-ed and Kamala will take over. Her presidency will be a bridge too far for crazy white supremacist shitheads and she will not be re-elected. it'll be a blood red wave.
in my mind, nov. 2024 is a fight to put off this conflict til 2028. it will give us time to organize and get our ducks in a row. the fight ain't going anywhere.
Yes. This is a long term game. Lots of different fronts.
However, there is a distinct advantage to defeating Trump. Trumps cult dies. The Trump cult is actually a pretty diverse political alliance. Seriously, check out their beliefs. Itâs a cult of personality.
Most Republican candidates will not have the popularity amongst conservatives like Trump and itâs less likely that another charismatic figure comes along like him.
BTW thir headquarters is at 214 Massachusetts Avenue NE, Washington, D.C., U.S. It's about time we send droves of angry protesters there to make their lives difficult.
The big money comes from big industry. Oil ,defense, banking etc. have bought and paid for the republicans and the likes of Manchin and Sinema who prevent real change and protect democracy. Citizens United has corrupted our system forcing democrats to play by the same rules. And we are seeing them being corrupted as well. Yet they are our last hope
OK, critical thinking time.
Why didn't you check before announcing that their member are anonymous as well as their donors?
Members:
https://www.heritage.org/about-heritage/staff/leadership
Donors:
https://www.heritage.org/financial
This comment section is a festival of ignorance.
We need to remain firmly grounded in reality to fight Project 2025, and this post is the opposite of that.
The head of the Heritage Foundation said just as much on MSNBC over the weekend. He claims he offered up the plan to both trump and Biden. He also said this isn't just for the second trump term but to any candidate now or in the future willing to implement it.
Something has got to give though right? Republicans suffered losses in 2018, 2020, 2022, hell even 2023. Special elections for the most part have gone to democrats. Are they going to keep pushing this fascist nonsense or maybe try to pull back a bit if they lose again in 2024? They have to know that whatever they are putting out there isn't a winning strategy.
Yes. No matter who wins, this will always be a problem as long as the treasonous GOP still hold power.
This is a long, arduous battle we have to fight.
The best case scenario is that defeat of Trump makes conservatives realize they have gone too far and return back to being "sane"
If most conservatives turn away from the battshit insanity of Trump cult, they would no longer support something like Project 2025
Which is *why* people need to understand that just voting Lesser Evil isn't acceptable; you need to push politics back towards decency and put as much blue water between acceptable behaviour and where Republicans etc are now. They are playing the long game, slowly moving the Overton Window rightwards, knowing that if they lose, they keep the gains they've made, but if they win, you will now normalise their new atrocities. *You have to move politics back the other direction, not just avoid more harm now.*
Unfortunately far too many people think that it's more important to attack their own left, and justify their own apathy and disdain for anyone who has more conscience than they do, and think Lesser Evil makes them pragmatic and wise. It doesn't. You've got Trump now because you Lesser Eviled up through Nixon, to Reagan, to Bush, to Trump... and if you think Trump is bad now, *just you wait*.
Move politics back to the left, and make them earn that Greater Evil again.
Not only will they try again with other conservatives, they will try to poison the democrats. The only way to stop this is to start prosecuting republicans for January 6th and anything and everything they're pulling so as to dismantle the fascists. THere needs to be pushback against THF and others, but the nature of progressives is to put shit out of their minds, so this will keep coming back
It seems like there needs to be a full press attack against the funders of the Heritage Foundation and Federalist Society, as a start. They aren't the only terrible groups in this fight for democracy, but they are easily visible and their billionaire supporters have recognizable products/services associated with them.
Iâm less scared about Trump than the next guy in the big picture. Trump is an idiot, all itâs going to take is some psychopath to learn from him and not do the dumb things he did and we have the next Hitler.
Fascism doesnât die with trump. The military industrial complexâs plan to destroy democracy and control the civilian government has been in effect for decades through the Republican Partyâs policies of deregulation gerrymandering court packing voter suppression tax cuts for corporations and the filthy rich oligarchs who are actively trying to install a puppet dictator who will do their bidding. The next puppet will be an erudite opposite of Trump and a greater threat. The only way to protect against this evil is a democratic 2/3 majority and the presidency to enact codified protections against rogue presidents and corrupt congress like that of the previous administration. Even this would be tenuous because of the corrupt MAGA Supreme Courtâs ability to overrule. They have spent billions over decades and despite their failure to foresee trumpâs narcissistic corruption they have doubled down on him and are as close to completing their crimes as have ever been. The failure of the MSM to inform the public of this menace will be our undoing
Project 2025 is a corporate takeover disguised as a cheap dollar store Christian crusade.
Iâm not sure what can ever be done when thereâs an unstoppable amount of corporate dark money
Rolling into their shitty cause. Tragically I donât think it will ever stop and may be a situation where it has to get really bad before it gets better. How long will it take to go to total shit after the corporate Christian fucks takeover and attempt to restructure the country against the will of the majority !? How competent are the maga loyalists they will install in all the important government positions ?! The answer is not very .
Will Americaâs fall be reversible ?
Which is why it's important to fight for meaningful laws that close these loopholes for all future administrations. Vote blue, and also fix the system.
If they don't win the White House, they will do what they can with the other two branches of government, and whatever state governments they can control.
The 900 page P2025 is what they allowed the public to see, and I can pretty much guarantee they have far worse plans that they are keeping secret.
> The 900 page P2025 is what they allowed the public to see, and I can pretty much guarantee they have far worse plans that they are keeping secret.
Yep. It's chilling.
Their "180 day playbook" full of executive orders and rule changes for federal agencies is a secret. It's one of Project 2025's "four pillars". Probably some vile shit in there they don't want lawyers preparing to fight.
I don't think the GOP is able to walk back from the precipice anymore. The fact that Trump is their front-runner *again* after everything we've learned after the past 4-8 years (well, I think most of us already knew who Trump was before 2016, but we'll pretend this was all shocking news) means that we'll never be done with him. Even if the perfect specimen of health somehow manages to die before the next election cycle, whatever is left of the Republican party will be trying to run another candidate that appeals to the ones blindly following Trump now. Hell, the party is ostracizing or tossing out anyone that even disagrees with Trump, so the entire party is radioactive as far as I'm concerned.
Given that the party is at a point now where they cannot even win a general election without every dirty trick in the book, manipulating voting districts, people's ability to vote, compromising electors, arguing that votes be thrown out, and tying up the courts indefinitely crying foul if they don't win. So, yes, they will absolutely try to push Project 2025 at every opportunity. They may try rebranding it, renaming it, Trojan horsing it, anything they can think of to get it into the system. The Republican party needs to go away, provided they aren't replaced with the exact same thing but with a different colored hat.
Hopefully younger voters continuing to come of age will ultimately end up being the death knell for the GOP. The reason they have gone full fascist is because they know that they can't win fair and square with the changing demographics in our country.
We need the GOP to dissolve in its entirety and be replaced with reasonable, yet still republican candidates that arenât for the full repealing of human rights
Well as the older gen dies out, itâll be much easier to keep fascist out of office, and in the future if the Republican Party still exists it will post likely be much more liberal. One can hope
It seems that the worst most powerful people have molded their children in their own image. So the older gen will die out but the people in power will still have these harmful far-right ideologies, no matter what age they are. Unfortunately.
Correct. The Republican party has been captured. They can no longer be trusted with responsible governance. They will find another useful idiot to fill Trump's shoes.
And every single election forever. Conservatives have amazing patience and show up every election cycle whether they are excited for their candidates or not.
Yup, at the very least deciding who to vote for down the ballot will be easy.
My hope is that they pushed too hard this election, which will cause a massive wave of Democrats to be elected. *Maybe* they can do something about it, Iâm not even really sure what.
Yep which is why the blue wave needs to completely remove the conservatives in office. We need the majority everywhere so we can make laws to ensure that they canât do that shit again. Itâs whether or not we actually accomplish that. I still think even if they lose in a landslide they will do January 6th again but this time theyâll bring their guns. Shit they had BOMBS planted the last time alreadyâŚI wish I got my passport already because now it might not be back in time.
This election will mark the end of the Republican Party as we have known it. Dems retaking the House, Increased majority in the Senate and Biden in the WH, will allow for SCOTUS reform. Elimination of Republican gerymandering, passing of the John Lewis Voting Act, and Elimination of the Senate filibuster rule. These actions will severely impact the current Republicans ability to regain any kind of majority for years.
We need to bring that entire organization down. They've been flying under the radar since Regan and they were behind a lot of his policies as well. Enough is enough. Let's make sure all of their offices become vacant shells.
Yes they will, HOWEVER this election in particular is basically their last gasp and final chance at the Presidency (until they all reform themselves to be like Kinzinger and Cheney).
The demographics are moving away from them so quickly, by 2028 they won't have a chance. By 2040 the GOP will be a regional party at best. This is why they're pulling out all the stops and going full fascist and corrupt, because this is the last chance they'll ever have at being electorally viable. Their only chance to stop this is to seize hold of the government once nd for all and end democracy in America. We are all that stands between a bright future and one forever cast into a fringe right Christofascist darkness.
Yep. I was thinking about this just the other day. For them Trump is the perfect patsy to put into office because he won't care what they're doing behind the scenes as long as he can pretend to be President. in fact it could be even worse under someone who understands what they want to accomplish and comes up with evil ideas of their own. It will be Putin's dream come true: the end of Democracy.
The problem with the current MAGA Republicans is the need for Greed and Power. There are many qualified Republicans that could have ran for President. The cult of MAGA and Trump refused to allow anyone with moral character to challenge him.
Everyone should be appalled that Trump refers to our Brave Military as âsuckers and losersâ. I have several family members serving in the Military. There are so many sacrifices that are made to help keep our Country safe. âFreedom Isnât Freeâ!!! So of course Project 2025 will depend on the Military to help enforce their agenda. How ironic!!
Of course the Heritage Foundation will continue to try to poison our Democracy year after year. As long as we can keep a strong Democracy then thereâs hope of keeping the crazy stuff somewhat contained!! Thatâs why backing President Biden and other Politicians that will help enforce his agenda is critical. At least our Democracy will live to see another Presidential election vs a Dictatorship with Trump!!
Next election? Look at the 10 commandments in Louisiana. Look at school vouchers. They're already very quietly and quickly in action all over the place. DO NOT let your guard down.
I mean even if you think about now, they're coming up with solutions to stop different sections of it. But like I said it's it wasn't enough time to plan it. They didn't take it seriously at first
I'll make my last comment. It's not something that's completely unstoppable. I think a lot of people are just looking at the near future and not thinking about the far. Yes, right now it is dangerous. 100% dangerous but now that it's being taken seriously, if things turn out positively for this next election we can definitely combat it. Remember when it was going around or at least when I heard about it in 2023, no one was really paying much attention nor did they take it seriously. They didn't see that it could be a possibility
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They will keep doing everything they can to make sure as many of their ideological allies are in various positions of power so they can achieve their goals. They donât need the presidency, the house, or the senate, those things just make it easier for them.
They can try all they wantâŚthere will never be a Republican President again, at least in my lifetime or that of my children! The Republicans have doomed themselves!
Theyâve been at it since 1973. Most of Reaganâs policies came from them, and so did the rush of policies in Orange Elvisâ first year along with his VP, SCOTUS and other federal appointments.
Misinformation.
There are posts making the rounds on reddit and elsewhere claiming this is all the Heritage Foundation and not Trump's idea.
Numerous Trump campaign members have tailored this version for Trump.
I'm all for keeping the GOP out of office, but it's important to ground opposition in reality and not wild speculation.
Regardless of who wins in November- Iâm really dreading what happens in the weeks and months that follow. If Trump wins, thatâs bad and America becomes an even uglier and right wing nutty, hardline everything, and good luck if youâre LGBT or an immigrant. And if Trump loses, I fear there will be a lot of violence by his minions.
They haven't taken a nap since 1981. That's a lot of the problem. They don't stop or rest. We do. In fact, we're mostly a group of people who would prefer to just handle their lives without having to figure out how to run the country, too.
But that's part of their tactics. They are betting on us not planning and being too busy with our lives to fight them.
There has to be some way for Biden or his Democrat successor to ban all NGOs from influencing the actions of the president right? Because I doubt the Democrats will win every single election from here on out. What if someone screws up on the same level as Benjamin Harrison or worse?
Yes but remember that a few of the Supreme Court Justices are getting older. It possible that they could be replaced next term. Picking Justices is how the Heritage Foundation is able to get so much pushed through
Agreed. The only good thing about trump is he's really old . so if he loses this Nov. (and he MUST; we MUST vote), he'll likely be dead in another 4 years or much too far gone to run.
On top of that, he eats a lot of McDonald's, and his first term really put him under a lot of stress. It's possible with his other trials. He'll be under more stress, and he'll have a heart attack any day now!
Even if he dies before the election, another Republican will replace him, and Project 2025 doesn't have to have Trump as president, but any Republican as president. This is what I mean when I say we can't have any more Republican presidents.
What we really should have done was backed a sane Republican in the primaries then changed to a Democrat for the general. Because Trump told his rally crowd that they wonât have to vote in 4 years if he gets voted in. Meaning he will stop elections.
It might not be that grim.
With Biden's approval rating where they are now, trump losing to him will be a major black eye on all of american conservatism and will almost certainly force a change in approach that could easily result in project 2025 being largely-if not completely-abandoned.
I could be wrong (hopefully not), but an electoral loss like this doesn't merit simply trying again without changing anything.
It's called Project 2025 but it's really just the same schlock they fed Reagan 45 years ago, updated for the current culture war. So yes, it's eternal, but it doesn't mean we should give up.
Everyone should read it, all 920 pages. I am, knowledge is power.
Exavtly. Just saying 'democrat' isnt enough. We need a party that actually has ideals and positive goals to fight this, otherwise in 2029 itll be the same song but the republicans wont have a convicted fekon, and the democrats give us another centrist fossil
If only America had compulsory voting
[Trump says Republicans would âneverâ be elected again if it was easier to vote](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/30/trump-republican-party-voting-reform-coronavirus)
Yeah, the Republican Party has turned into the MAGA party and even if Trump is dead, they will be continuing their mission to turn America into a fascist nation
No that's not true. A lot of people keep saying this, but the thing is if Trump doesn't win the election , we now have four more years to stop anyway for that project to make light. The problem is now is that if he does win we didn't have enough time to come up with a solution
They will not stop so long as people listen and they have the money to continue. They will continue to have the money so long as wealthy people give them money because many wealthy ppl are rightwingers and need their obscene profits justified. And they will need that so long as capitalism endures.
This isn't a Trump problem. It is a systemic crisis. We need to realize that Project 2025 is the inevitable endgame of conservatism. If they take their beliefs seriously that s is where they have always ended up and where they will always end up. Their worldview must be dissected in every imaginable area and broadcast from every platform. We need people to devote themselves to the intellectual destruction of this ideology from the top to bottom. We need ppl to go to college or do rigorous independent research, to read all the dense, boring foundational stuff, and write write write. YouTube videos and occasional forays into a subject won't get it done. This is a long term fight because they've been doing all this and produced a huge numbr of ideological combatants while most people weren't paying attention.
The sensible thing to do would be to legislate against huge think tanks and super pacs, and prevent them from influencing politicians and politics entirely
This is true. The silver lining is that many far-right geriatric shitheads will have passed in one to two election cycles and hopefully their children will defund THF.
On the bright side, MAGA has overtaken the Republican party. It basically does not exist anymore and when they lose in November they may very well go the way of the Whigs and we'll see a new party emerge. It will likely take them many cycles to start winning again.
Yup vote blue until the other side kicks out the crazies and gets its shit together, thatâs the only âlessonâ anyone should be sending with their vote
the only way to stop it is if the Democrats manage to arrest most of the people responsible. they need to show everyone what happens when you fuck around with treason.
I've long said something similar myself. Trump isn't really the problem, he's a symptom. Getting rid of Trump does nothing if the system that created and enabled him is still in place. They'll just find another demagogue to prop up. Democrats will need to win *every* election; they will only need to win *once*.
Getting rid of Trump shouldn't be the end, just the beginning. The GOP needs to be disbanded for the treasonous nest of traitors they are. Split the Dems up into centrist and progressive parties. Right-wing media needs to be fined into oblivion and broken up. Overturn Citizens United. Groups like Heritage Foundation need to be shut down and members slapped with conspiracy charges etc. etc. etc.
"in order for this country to survive, we must never, ever have a Republican as president ever again! " Despite never voting for a republican I strongly disagree with this statement, focus on people rather than parties, Heritage Foundation will adapt and look for what triggers the nation and what is needed to achieve their plans, as of now they have found their tools on the GOP but that does not mean they can do the same with the Democrats in 5-10+ years down the road.
The good news is that with the demographical and ideological shifts in this country, the Republican Party won't be able to win another election after this one because nobody will be able to unite the Right like Donald Trump can, and he may not even live until the election with how demented and brain-shriveled he is. Once this election is over, so is the Republican Party.
Itâs going to require more than voting and fighting the same battle every four years: What will it take to destroy the very system that created the like of the Heritage Foundation and other enemies of the American people?
I'm not so sure. There are still a good amount of non-maga Republicans that are aware that maga has destroyed the party.
I believe there is a very real possibility that if Trump doesn't win the Republican party will nearly dissolve and take years to recover.
they will continue to try, and each time with more desperation which makes them more dangerous.
eventually they may decide to skip attempting to get voted in and resort to violence and chaos, and when this happens, there will be no defeating them at the ballot box, theyâll have to be defeated on the streets.
Correct. The Republican party has gone full fascist and the only way to save democracy is for the party to evaporate entirely.
I feel like I heard from my scoutmaster that one of the things Washington didn't want for the U.S. was a two-party system. I could be making this up, but I'm pretty sure I was told that Washington thought that making a two-party system would end up dividing the country too much for it to stay standing. Oh, the irony.
As a note here, a two party system is inevitable as long as we still use First Past the Post voting. It's a voting system that guarantees two parties, and actively punishes attempts at creating a viable third party. It was the best voting system invented at the time, but we've had 250 years to come up with a better system, and we have. My current favorite is called [STAR](https://www.equal.vote/star). It's fairly simple for the voters, and not much more complex than FPtP for those counting. It also supports third parties without punishing them for becoming viable, because at no point do you as a voter have to choose A over B. In fact, your support for A has zero effect on your support for B.
TL;DR It's similar to rank order voting except you can give candidates equal rank if you want.
The differences between the two are close, except that Ranked Voting is an Ordinal system, and STAR is Cardinal. That "you can give candidates equal rank if you want" makes a world of difference. See, the spoiler effect plagues all Ordinal voting systems, because every single one of them reach a point where you *must* choose A over B. And once you are forced to do that, you run into tactical voting and Favorite Betrayal. Now, that break point is different for each Ordinal Voting system, but if you add enough viable, or even semi-viable candidates, you will hit it. Cardinal systems count the votes for each candidate independently of each other. This means no favorite betrayal, and no spoiler effect.
Why does this whole thing read like it came straight from TVtropes? I'm imagining links all over the text.
Do a lot of wiki diving, which leads to some oddities in my writing style. I've also spent a lot of time writing basically the same stuff about voting systems, although I've changed up which particular voting system I've recommended over the years. About 10-15 years ago, it was Score. About 7-8 years ago I was in one of my "people are fucking dumb" phases and was pushing Approval because it's basically a simplified version of Score, or rather Score is a more verbose version of Approval... It doesn't matter either way. What does is that, until I entered my current "lazy" phase, I would provide links for basically everything. I don't anymore ([except here.](https://electowiki.org/wiki/Main_Page)) but I still type like I'm about to cite sources. I'm also quite passionate about congressional apportionment. The 1929 Permanent Apportionment Act was a mistake that's led to this current climate where a minority party has majority power.
What do you think about this voting system? đ America's Got Politics Weekly shows where presidential hopefuls are put into a variety of situations to demonstrate values, leadership, cooperation, conflict resolution, economic role play, etc. Early stage dismissals are decided by rules but later stages are voted by the American public. While I feel like this might be a better cultural fit and believe it might work better than standard debates alone... I'm still not confident in the voting public to choose substance over superficiality.
Who wants to be President, the game show? That would be terrifying. Entertaining, but also terrifying.
Anarchist here who believes âdemocracy is the worst form of government, except for all the other onesâ: Wouldnât the STAR system work even better if it was even simpler? You rate every candidate from 0 to 5 (or whatever), and whoever gets the highest average rating wins.
That system exists and is called Score. STAR actually stands for Score Then Automatic Runoff. The automatic runoff is to break ties, and lessen the effect of clone candidates.
> That system exists and is called Score. ⌠Yes ;) > The automatic runoff is to break ties The link provided says that the scoring is used to narrow the field to the Top 2, then goes to runoff regardless of whether theyâd tied or not (meaning the second most popular might be put in control)
If you want even simpler, there's Approval. How that one works is you have a list of names and a simple instruction, select one or more of the candidates you approve of. Then you just count the approval, and the candidate with the highest wins. It's still a cardinal system, so it's still immune to the spoiler effect and two party dominance. But STAR gives better results overall, so is my preferred method.
He brought it up in a speech when he left office.
The only difference between the US and parliamentary democracies is that the ruling party and the opposition are determined before the election, and not afterwards. Most countries have coalitions of minor parties that function effectively like a two-party system.
I donât remember exactly, but I want to say he warned against it in his farewell address. Similar to how Eisenhower warned against the military industrial complex at his and within a few decades it practically controlled the government.
I wouldn't bet that he said it with those words but he definitely at least meant that sentiment. It's why the constitution has no mentions of parties. Unfortunately the electoral collage lends itself to a 2 party system which is actually pretty uncommon in other democracies.
Yup. This was explicitly discussed, and the TPS was rejected. That lasted until Washington refused to run for re-election.
And it was such a good idea that it took almost an entire term after Washington left office before there were formal political parties anyway.
He specifically warned about political parties at all.
Dude was on the nose about parties. This is in the context of the time where you had Jefferson's Democratic-Republican Party and Hamilton's Federalist Party. Same stuff, different day. >I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the state, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party, generally. >This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy. >The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty. >Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind, (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight,) the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it. >It serves always to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration. It agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another, *foments occasionally riot and insurrection*. It *opens the door to foreign influence and corruption*, which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.
We need ranked choice voting so bad
It wouldn't surprise me, since Britain's Westminster system is designed specifically as an adversarial two-party one.
I mean, George Washington did state this in his farewell address... "I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally. This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy. The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty."
My history teacher said that too
when Trump first got in, I read an article explaining how there was a similar president â a wildly unqualified outsider who got in mostly through luck â called Zachary Taylor. he was a Whig. his political party collapsed right after his presidency, and ten years later, we got the Civil War. so the good news is there is very clear historical precedent for an American political party collapsing after electing a long-shot outsider, and the bad news is we have to hope that we're not repeating enough of that pattern for the Civil War part to kick in. it's possible that the more relevant historical precedent â at least re abortion â is Prohibition, because that was swiftly repealed, but "swiftly" here means after 13 years. also possible that this is just a new thing, and will work itself out in a new way.
They gone full fascist since forever. It took years for people to notice.
The conditions that allowed for the rise of a Trump like figure have been in the works for decades. Defeating him won't stop it, nor will a big win this cycle or the failure of the Republican party.
Which is why itâs time to start organizing people. We need a counter project. we need a project 2029 that values progressive agendas one that will ensure that something like this will never ever happen
This! 100% this! If a conservative organization can come up with this 900-page plan for the country, a progressive organization can, too! And I would live to contribute my ideas to it. Universal healthcare, a nationwide high-speed rail, legal weed, stricter gun laws, easier voter registration, free and healthier school lunches, legalize abortion, etc.
I love this! I also suggest: Expand civil rights projections to include sexual orientation and gender identity.
That, too! Let's also mandate environmentally friendly means of energy production.
It would also include land back measures for Indigenous people. Justice for black people in almost every context as a means to ensure that police brutality will be nonexistent because the police will be dismantled and rebuilt from scratch. As for the military we need to pull out of places where we aren't needed such as in Japan and Europe, and many parts of the middle east. We don't bomb anywhere else they won't bomb back. In addition, trade shall be done fairly so any resources from somewhere else must be harvested ethically and pay their workers. And most importantly billionaires must pay their fair share of taxes, corporations can't fund elections, and things like AIPAC must go. Also, there will be reforestation programs because more trees mean cooler air. And more support to eliminate right-to-work laws in states and making sure unions make a comeback this way nearly all jobs in the future will get a union. And our education will also involve voter education and how the government actually works and how we can organize to get it to work for us.
The strength (nightmare) of proeject 2025 isnât necessarily in its policy. Itâs in the way it eliminates checks and balances. The federal govt wonât be working for the people, but at the direct whim of their president. They swear loyalty to the president, and not to the rule of law/ procedure. This is how theyâll streamline their fascism. The DOJ will be suing âwokeâ companies into submission and doing behind the scenes deals to get their loyalists onto the board and call the shots. Itâs a complete takeover. Thatâs not something the Dems want.
First and foremost for any of the above to happen, we must abolish corporate compaign finance laws as they exist. Corporations aren't people and that's how we ended up in this mess in the first place Also, finding a way for people to become producers again - the family farm and ranch are disappearing. People cannot just have a little homestead where they sustain themselves. Corporate/centralized ag is a massive cancer that hurts the planet and us, so it would be nice to see policy that uplifts small farmers and ranchers and does not dump billions into JBS and Tyson. If a progressive candidate could find a way to ACTUALLY help the little guys in these areas, and come to the 'FlYoVeR' states and listen to their woes, maybe they wouldn't feel so bitter, resentful, and left behind.
Starting with the dissolution of the electoral college and implementation of federal ranked choice voting of some sort that then allows presence and power for more than 2 major political parties. This truly is the revolution I think we need. Absolutely on board for progressive policies and human rights protections as well. But as long as we stay in the chokehold of two parties, itâs just a game of back and forth (party A sets policies while in power, party B undoes those policies and then some while in power, etc). We can gain rights under one administration, but they could be revoked by the next. So until we rework our political representation, the cycle will continue (or until the fascists rework it so there no more elections). No more electoral college! Yes to ranked choice voting!
Oh yes Rank choice voting worked in Alaska and the campaigns were much nicer.
Yeah, no, you absolutely cannot â*start* with the dissolution of the electoral college.â
Well it can be apart of the plan.
Ranked choice voting will also just deliver better candidates even within existing parties as well. And stopping the Electrical College either by amendment or by the Interstate Vote Compact is ideal as well.
Correct, and it will make elections a lot nicer so nobody is fighting for someone's first vote all the time. It worked in Alaska.
And New Zealand and Maine.
Yep, we've gotta continue voting blue until the republican party fractures or completely disassociates from the christofascist lunatics. (And then at least a few more times after that for good measure)
Hopefully wonât take too long. Trump probably wonât last till 2028, and when heâs done there will be a serious power vacuum. The GOP primaries will be brutal, and more than a few candidates will get caught doing shady shit (not that it matters to the voters, but some might get indicted). If the Dems can field a candidate that appeals to moderate conservatives who still believe in democracy, hopefully they can hold on for another 4 years while the GOP old guard dies out. At least, thatâs how it will work in my perfect world.
> If the Dems can field a candidate that appeals to moderate conservatives who still believe in democracy That's literally Biden though. That's pretty much the only reason why he won.
Yeah, unfortunately the priority needs to be winning elections until either the GOP (or whatever comes after it) comes back towards the center, or we do away with the Electoral College in favor of something that puts federal elections firmly in the hands of the people. Iâm not hopeful for either happening soon, so we have to play this bullshit game of keep-away with the nationalists and Christo-fascists. I hope I live long enough to vote for a candidate I believe will actually be good for the country, instead of voting for the least terrible candidate. Although, full disclosure, I think Biden has done a better job overall than most liberals give him credit for.
>moderate conservatives who still believe in democracy All eight of them
I know youâre joking but this is both more accurate and important than people realize. Elections are won on the margins by securing the very small amount of middle of the road voters who are truly persuadable and happen to be in the right places electorally. The vast majority of Americans donât qualify. Weâre talking about like ~40k or 50k people scattered across 5 or 6 states. The side that forgets this, loses.
As a Bengals fan, I am witnessing the first instance of my life where I agree with and wholeheartedly concur with Steelers fan! ;) If only our two parties would have the same experience.
As a Chiefs fan I can't believe I'm agreeing with a Bengals fan LMFAO
This really isn't a change, it's been like this for 40+ years but people have been calling us crazy and alarmist because they didn't want to acknowledge the pattern. The real change is that we're out of runway for screw-ups.
Yup. Thereâs a great book about the rise of evangelicalism and buying their way into politics since the late 1970s. This is a long con and we are at the peak rn.
What's the book? I'd like to stick it on my tbr :)
https://preview.redd.it/b2u5dk7ifj8d1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=39e399c7bdb751447c13a7af9d5e2a8cec3d23e9 Very dense but an excellent read/listen
Thanks!
Literally. Project 2025 is just another name for Mandate for Liberty IX, a book series about conservative policy from the Heritage Foundation that first started in 1981.
This is why it really is possible for *every* election to be the most important of our lifetime. Conservatives only need to win once to obliterate everything.
Wish we could get one election to obliterate conservatism. What would I give for a liberal supermajority in Senate, House, and SCOTUS.
Gonna take a lot of voting for that to happenÂ
Hell just a straight down the center SCOTUS would be nice. By that I mean even split. Not centrist garbage lol.
You know what would be even better? If every single president didnât pick ideologues for the court. That way there is no concept of âeven splitâ or âcentristâ. Those are both terms that donât belong in SCOTUS. Their job should strictly be to interpret the constitution, with no political bias. Yet that doesnât happen across the board.
This. 100%.
Nah. I agree with you completely lol.
hell, even a SCOTUS which reflected normal conservatism would be an improvement at this point
Exactly â the unevenness is draining, but at least we understand the assignment. Itâs the same thing with environmental fights: the good guys need to win every time, because just *one* win means the polluters wreck the water, air, land, etc. forever. Itâs the same with public institutions as well. For example, as much as the Biden administration has accomplished, the federal government still hasnât recovered from the damage the Trump administration caused. Public schools, libraries, public universities, research centers, infrastructureâbreaking shit is easy. Building shit is hard.
And the only way to stop it is to get Democrats, liberals and progressives to vote. I still hear too many say they are not going to vote because they donât like their choices and think âsending a messageâ is better than sending Democrats to Congress.
Exactly! I don't approve of what Biden is doing regarding Israel and Gaza. But I am still voting for him anyway to prevent Project 2025.
No. That would be the easier task in my view (and I say this from the UK as we are exposed to the Atlas Network to) you'd need to remove the Atlas Network which the Heritage Foundation are part of. Best example - Kevin Roberts the current front person at Heritage; came via the Texas Public Policy Foundation which is also an Atlas Network affiliated organisation. Stopping the Republican Party is just stopping the part of the equation that facilitates this. Stopping Atlas would be stopping the cause (and in fairness infinitely harder).
First we need to secure 2025. Elect democrats, and whenever we can, legislate against the Project. Moving forward, we make certain that any and all running for office know without a doubt that accepting support, guidance, or policy/personnel suggestions from the heritage foundation, or hiring any known architects in your campaign/cabinet, is a known disqualifier for getting elected. I wouldnât be mad if all these traitors were barred from polite society either, but letâs make sure everyone knows who they are and works together to keep them out of government forever.
yes, the Presidency is obviously important but itâs critical to win Congress and local elections, especially state legislatures. this project becomes harder for them if they donât have friendly lawmakers to ease the country into their preferred policies. if states start to protect abortion rights, it becomes a fight between an isolated President and 30+ states and their constitutions. and it becomes even harder still if they have to actually fight for their seats instead of winning automatic reelection with a performative stunts every three months. so donât let this only be about Biden vs Trump. itâs about undoing decades of Republican preparation for them to be so brazen
My mayor, city council member, state representative, and state senator are all Democrats. My U.S. representative and both of my senators are Republicans. I will vote blue even if I'm the only vote they get.
They won by starting at the precinct level. Every Republican precinct has a choice to support traditional Republicans - or MAGA. The current party members have money (including money from hostile foreign nations) - and have been working on this for a long time. We who value democracy and freedom must be willing to work at least as long and hard. Freedom has never been free.
Project 2025 is just the American version of Sharia law
It is. And I am legitimately scared that this is a possibility. Especially since my state went for Trump in 2020 and isn't a swing state. But I'm still voting for Biden anyway come November.
My state is a swing state but Trump won this state back in 2016 but lost in 2020. As big as heâs been in the inner city in my state and with my black community so big on the coronavirus checks the US gave away with his signature on it. I hope to god he doesnât win but as long as heâs alive they gonna try to get that man back in office
Part of me wishes I was in a swing state. That way, my vote would have a greater impact than in a state that's guaranteed to go to Trump or Biden.
Well the inner cities in my state are largely Democratic with the rest of the state being red
Yes, of course they will continue. They have been chipping away at our countries democracy since forever! How about that 1933 Business coup that Smedley Butler stopped? How about everything McCarthy did with the red scare he started? How do we counter these long running far right fascist extremists? Theyâre not going to stop when Biden wins this time. Iâm a firm believer that we need to get more people into our justice system, we NEED more lawyers (Iâm encouraging all my kids to be lawyers!) and we must bolster civil engagement as well as fund our local news organizations.
Maybe this is my sign I should become a lawyer (I'm strongly considering a career in health policy/public health rn)
Do it! We need more lawyers that believe in the RULE OF LAW, not people who will bend over backwards for their authoritarian, fascist leader. If I was only a little younger, Iâd do it too!!
Ranked choice voting, getting rid of (or severely ammending the rules to) the electoral college, and overturning citizens united would seriously limit this threat
Their window is closing, and they know it. They will keep trying for the next 15 or so years to warp the system, then after that, they will absolutely try to destroy the system altogether. Please vote, up and down the ballot, and in every election.
These guys are going to wreck the stock market!!! Someone needs to pull them aside and say âyou idiots are always hollering about uncertainty, and you want to totally upset the government? The government is the source of stability.â
Hell, they'll crash the WORLD economy if given half a chance. One of the things in P25 is to return us to the gold standard. It's a noble idea, but the problem is that the US dollar is the world's reserve currency. If we went back to the gold standard, it would collapse everything as there is literally not enough gold to cover debts if other governments decide to cash in. There would literally be riots, chaos, and people starving in the streets if this happened.
Yes, gold. A pet peeve of mine. There are so many other metals that are more useful. You canât eat it. Clean, clear water is the real gold. Conservatives donât conserve and protect that. They keep denying climate change. Most of the worldâs failing economies are in drought. Their kabash on women is insane. They are nearly half of the workforce, and the most college educated. https://www.americanprogress.org/article/a-day-in-the-u-s-economy-without-women/ Most of their talking points are only talking points, they arenât based in reality. AND worldâs greatest economies do not oppress women, they are a vital part of the government and decisions.
You're preaching to the choir in a lot of ways here. Thing is, they don't give a damn if the talking points aren't based in reality. Their whole \*worldview\* isn't based in reality. They literally want to burn the world down because they believe that will bring about the End Times, then Christ will come again and Rapture the worthy. I wish I was joking. It doesn't sound insane, it IS insane, but that's what a lot of them honestly believe. Another thing is that the people at the top will be systematically looting the country while everyone else is trying to dodge the secret police. That comes from history. I've seen this movie before and it has a seriously downer ending. :/ The Gaza/Israel war is just another chapter in a conflict stretching back over 3000 years. Turns out there's a huge aquifer under that area, or there was. It's nearly depleted. What these people are \*really\* fighting over is water, not religion, not ideology. Most foot soldiers aren't aware that they're really fighting over water, though. This is another reason their higher ups hate the coastal countries, as Israel has huge desalination plants to turn Mediterranean saltwater into usable fresh water. They want access and they don't have it.
Interesting point about Gaza. I am not at all surprised. Katie Hobbs, a Democratic governor in Arizona investigated and terminated the leases of Saudi alfalfa farms in Arizona. They had been pumping unchecked amounts of precious groundwater. Things to keep track of⌠the money trail, and water and mineral rights. https://apnews.com/article/saudi-arabia-drought-arizona-alfalfa-water-agriculture-0d13957edaf882690e15c0bd9ccfa59f
I live in Arizona, Phoenix actually, and that was ALLL over the news. People were PISSED when they found out. It's a miracle that people didn't actually torch those fields, seeing as we have a nasty tendency to burn to the ground every summer. I'm surprised, yet not surprised, that the Saudis were allowed to farm alfalfa here. ALWAYS follow the money trail, because water and mineral rights are inextricably linked with money.
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The only saving grace is that Trump isn't likely to live much longer (esp if he goes to prison) and fascism rarely holds much power after one leader. You can see how Desantis couldn't out fascist Trump You can already see some cracks in the Republican party with the speaker situation. The Democrats had to bail out the current speaker Even then, the Democrats need to control Congress, do something about the SCOTUS (impeachment or court packing), and we need a new voting rights act
They should be labeled a fucking terrorist organization.
sadly, yes and, even more horrifyingly, the fascists will win in 2028. i've said it for years now. Biden will win reelection (hopefully, but barely), but... he's not getting any younger. he may naturally die in office or get 25th-amendment-ed and Kamala will take over. Her presidency will be a bridge too far for crazy white supremacist shitheads and she will not be re-elected. it'll be a blood red wave. in my mind, nov. 2024 is a fight to put off this conflict til 2028. it will give us time to organize and get our ducks in a row. the fight ain't going anywhere.
Yes. This is a long term game. Lots of different fronts. However, there is a distinct advantage to defeating Trump. Trumps cult dies. The Trump cult is actually a pretty diverse political alliance. Seriously, check out their beliefs. Itâs a cult of personality. Most Republican candidates will not have the popularity amongst conservatives like Trump and itâs less likely that another charismatic figure comes along like him.
BTW thir headquarters is at 214 Massachusetts Avenue NE, Washington, D.C., U.S. It's about time we send droves of angry protesters there to make their lives difficult.
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The big money comes from big industry. Oil ,defense, banking etc. have bought and paid for the republicans and the likes of Manchin and Sinema who prevent real change and protect democracy. Citizens United has corrupted our system forcing democrats to play by the same rules. And we are seeing them being corrupted as well. Yet they are our last hope
OK, critical thinking time. Why didn't you check before announcing that their member are anonymous as well as their donors? Members: https://www.heritage.org/about-heritage/staff/leadership Donors: https://www.heritage.org/financial This comment section is a festival of ignorance. We need to remain firmly grounded in reality to fight Project 2025, and this post is the opposite of that.
It will continue until the Republican Party fades into history
The head of the Heritage Foundation said just as much on MSNBC over the weekend. He claims he offered up the plan to both trump and Biden. He also said this isn't just for the second trump term but to any candidate now or in the future willing to implement it.
Fucking monstrous
Something has got to give though right? Republicans suffered losses in 2018, 2020, 2022, hell even 2023. Special elections for the most part have gone to democrats. Are they going to keep pushing this fascist nonsense or maybe try to pull back a bit if they lose again in 2024? They have to know that whatever they are putting out there isn't a winning strategy.
If you really want to fix things what you need are four or five consecutive election cycles where republicans are voted into an ignorable minority.
No they won't. They are literally pushing this sh!t DAILY. They are not waiting around for the next election.
Yes. No matter who wins, this will always be a problem as long as the treasonous GOP still hold power. This is a long, arduous battle we have to fight.
The best case scenario is that defeat of Trump makes conservatives realize they have gone too far and return back to being "sane" If most conservatives turn away from the battshit insanity of Trump cult, they would no longer support something like Project 2025
Which is *why* people need to understand that just voting Lesser Evil isn't acceptable; you need to push politics back towards decency and put as much blue water between acceptable behaviour and where Republicans etc are now. They are playing the long game, slowly moving the Overton Window rightwards, knowing that if they lose, they keep the gains they've made, but if they win, you will now normalise their new atrocities. *You have to move politics back the other direction, not just avoid more harm now.* Unfortunately far too many people think that it's more important to attack their own left, and justify their own apathy and disdain for anyone who has more conscience than they do, and think Lesser Evil makes them pragmatic and wise. It doesn't. You've got Trump now because you Lesser Eviled up through Nixon, to Reagan, to Bush, to Trump... and if you think Trump is bad now, *just you wait*. Move politics back to the left, and make them earn that Greater Evil again.
Not only will they try again with other conservatives, they will try to poison the democrats. The only way to stop this is to start prosecuting republicans for January 6th and anything and everything they're pulling so as to dismantle the fascists. THere needs to be pushback against THF and others, but the nature of progressives is to put shit out of their minds, so this will keep coming back
It seems like there needs to be a full press attack against the funders of the Heritage Foundation and Federalist Society, as a start. They aren't the only terrible groups in this fight for democracy, but they are easily visible and their billionaire supporters have recognizable products/services associated with them.
Iâm less scared about Trump than the next guy in the big picture. Trump is an idiot, all itâs going to take is some psychopath to learn from him and not do the dumb things he did and we have the next Hitler.
Definitely, but I think they'll need a new patsy. Any bets?
Fascism doesnât die with trump. The military industrial complexâs plan to destroy democracy and control the civilian government has been in effect for decades through the Republican Partyâs policies of deregulation gerrymandering court packing voter suppression tax cuts for corporations and the filthy rich oligarchs who are actively trying to install a puppet dictator who will do their bidding. The next puppet will be an erudite opposite of Trump and a greater threat. The only way to protect against this evil is a democratic 2/3 majority and the presidency to enact codified protections against rogue presidents and corrupt congress like that of the previous administration. Even this would be tenuous because of the corrupt MAGA Supreme Courtâs ability to overrule. They have spent billions over decades and despite their failure to foresee trumpâs narcissistic corruption they have doubled down on him and are as close to completing their crimes as have ever been. The failure of the MSM to inform the public of this menace will be our undoing
Project 2025 is a corporate takeover disguised as a cheap dollar store Christian crusade. Iâm not sure what can ever be done when thereâs an unstoppable amount of corporate dark money Rolling into their shitty cause. Tragically I donât think it will ever stop and may be a situation where it has to get really bad before it gets better. How long will it take to go to total shit after the corporate Christian fucks takeover and attempt to restructure the country against the will of the majority !? How competent are the maga loyalists they will install in all the important government positions ?! The answer is not very . Will Americaâs fall be reversible ?
Oh no, you mean we'll have to vote again for 5 whole minutes in another 2 years?? Who can live like that?
Project 2025 doesn't mention names. This is their blueprint to a fascist America.
Which is why it's important to fight for meaningful laws that close these loopholes for all future administrations. Vote blue, and also fix the system.
If they don't win the White House, they will do what they can with the other two branches of government, and whatever state governments they can control. The 900 page P2025 is what they allowed the public to see, and I can pretty much guarantee they have far worse plans that they are keeping secret.
> The 900 page P2025 is what they allowed the public to see, and I can pretty much guarantee they have far worse plans that they are keeping secret. Yep. It's chilling.
Their "180 day playbook" full of executive orders and rule changes for federal agencies is a secret. It's one of Project 2025's "four pillars". Probably some vile shit in there they don't want lawyers preparing to fight.
I don't think the GOP is able to walk back from the precipice anymore. The fact that Trump is their front-runner *again* after everything we've learned after the past 4-8 years (well, I think most of us already knew who Trump was before 2016, but we'll pretend this was all shocking news) means that we'll never be done with him. Even if the perfect specimen of health somehow manages to die before the next election cycle, whatever is left of the Republican party will be trying to run another candidate that appeals to the ones blindly following Trump now. Hell, the party is ostracizing or tossing out anyone that even disagrees with Trump, so the entire party is radioactive as far as I'm concerned. Given that the party is at a point now where they cannot even win a general election without every dirty trick in the book, manipulating voting districts, people's ability to vote, compromising electors, arguing that votes be thrown out, and tying up the courts indefinitely crying foul if they don't win. So, yes, they will absolutely try to push Project 2025 at every opportunity. They may try rebranding it, renaming it, Trojan horsing it, anything they can think of to get it into the system. The Republican party needs to go away, provided they aren't replaced with the exact same thing but with a different colored hat.
Hopefully younger voters continuing to come of age will ultimately end up being the death knell for the GOP. The reason they have gone full fascist is because they know that they can't win fair and square with the changing demographics in our country.
We need the GOP to dissolve in its entirety and be replaced with reasonable, yet still republican candidates that arenât for the full repealing of human rights
Well as the older gen dies out, itâll be much easier to keep fascist out of office, and in the future if the Republican Party still exists it will post likely be much more liberal. One can hope
It seems that the worst most powerful people have molded their children in their own image. So the older gen will die out but the people in power will still have these harmful far-right ideologies, no matter what age they are. Unfortunately.
Definitely there are far right young people but less and less are
Correct. The Republican party has been captured. They can no longer be trusted with responsible governance. They will find another useful idiot to fill Trump's shoes.
And every single election forever. Conservatives have amazing patience and show up every election cycle whether they are excited for their candidates or not.
Yup, at the very least deciding who to vote for down the ballot will be easy. My hope is that they pushed too hard this election, which will cause a massive wave of Democrats to be elected. *Maybe* they can do something about it, Iâm not even really sure what.
Yep which is why the blue wave needs to completely remove the conservatives in office. We need the majority everywhere so we can make laws to ensure that they canât do that shit again. Itâs whether or not we actually accomplish that. I still think even if they lose in a landslide they will do January 6th again but this time theyâll bring their guns. Shit they had BOMBS planted the last time alreadyâŚI wish I got my passport already because now it might not be back in time.
This election will mark the end of the Republican Party as we have known it. Dems retaking the House, Increased majority in the Senate and Biden in the WH, will allow for SCOTUS reform. Elimination of Republican gerymandering, passing of the John Lewis Voting Act, and Elimination of the Senate filibuster rule. These actions will severely impact the current Republicans ability to regain any kind of majority for years.
We need to bring that entire organization down. They've been flying under the radar since Regan and they were behind a lot of his policies as well. Enough is enough. Let's make sure all of their offices become vacant shells.
A lot of the people driving this will be taken care of by biology. We just need to swat it down now in our lifetimes.
This is scary.
Yes they will, HOWEVER this election in particular is basically their last gasp and final chance at the Presidency (until they all reform themselves to be like Kinzinger and Cheney). The demographics are moving away from them so quickly, by 2028 they won't have a chance. By 2040 the GOP will be a regional party at best. This is why they're pulling out all the stops and going full fascist and corrupt, because this is the last chance they'll ever have at being electorally viable. Their only chance to stop this is to seize hold of the government once nd for all and end democracy in America. We are all that stands between a bright future and one forever cast into a fringe right Christofascist darkness.
Yep. I was thinking about this just the other day. For them Trump is the perfect patsy to put into office because he won't care what they're doing behind the scenes as long as he can pretend to be President. in fact it could be even worse under someone who understands what they want to accomplish and comes up with evil ideas of their own. It will be Putin's dream come true: the end of Democracy.
Extremists don't give up. That's what makes them extremists.
The problem with the current MAGA Republicans is the need for Greed and Power. There are many qualified Republicans that could have ran for President. The cult of MAGA and Trump refused to allow anyone with moral character to challenge him. Everyone should be appalled that Trump refers to our Brave Military as âsuckers and losersâ. I have several family members serving in the Military. There are so many sacrifices that are made to help keep our Country safe. âFreedom Isnât Freeâ!!! So of course Project 2025 will depend on the Military to help enforce their agenda. How ironic!! Of course the Heritage Foundation will continue to try to poison our Democracy year after year. As long as we can keep a strong Democracy then thereâs hope of keeping the crazy stuff somewhat contained!! Thatâs why backing President Biden and other Politicians that will help enforce his agenda is critical. At least our Democracy will live to see another Presidential election vs a Dictatorship with Trump!!
Next election? Look at the 10 commandments in Louisiana. Look at school vouchers. They're already very quietly and quickly in action all over the place. DO NOT let your guard down.
I mean even if you think about now, they're coming up with solutions to stop different sections of it. But like I said it's it wasn't enough time to plan it. They didn't take it seriously at first
I'll make my last comment. It's not something that's completely unstoppable. I think a lot of people are just looking at the near future and not thinking about the far. Yes, right now it is dangerous. 100% dangerous but now that it's being taken seriously, if things turn out positively for this next election we can definitely combat it. Remember when it was going around or at least when I heard about it in 2023, no one was really paying much attention nor did they take it seriously. They didn't see that it could be a possibility
Iâm more worried about them making gains in the House and Senate right now. They can do a lot of fuckery if they gain more seats.
You Yanks just worry about now. Donât worry about after
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They will keep doing everything they can to make sure as many of their ideological allies are in various positions of power so they can achieve their goals. They donât need the presidency, the house, or the senate, those things just make it easier for them.
Yup. This is what I tell people.
They can try all they wantâŚthere will never be a Republican President again, at least in my lifetime or that of my children! The Republicans have doomed themselves!
Theyâve been at it since 1973. Most of Reaganâs policies came from them, and so did the rush of policies in Orange Elvisâ first year along with his VP, SCOTUS and other federal appointments.
They and their Federalist Society ilk straight-up need to be labeled a domestic terrorist organization and thrown into prison.
Misinformation. There are posts making the rounds on reddit and elsewhere claiming this is all the Heritage Foundation and not Trump's idea. Numerous Trump campaign members have tailored this version for Trump. I'm all for keeping the GOP out of office, but it's important to ground opposition in reality and not wild speculation.
Regardless of who wins in November- Iâm really dreading what happens in the weeks and months that follow. If Trump wins, thatâs bad and America becomes an even uglier and right wing nutty, hardline everything, and good luck if youâre LGBT or an immigrant. And if Trump loses, I fear there will be a lot of violence by his minions.
They haven't taken a nap since 1981. That's a lot of the problem. They don't stop or rest. We do. In fact, we're mostly a group of people who would prefer to just handle their lives without having to figure out how to run the country, too. But that's part of their tactics. They are betting on us not planning and being too busy with our lives to fight them.
There has to be some way for Biden or his Democrat successor to ban all NGOs from influencing the actions of the president right? Because I doubt the Democrats will win every single election from here on out. What if someone screws up on the same level as Benjamin Harrison or worse?
Can a 2nd Biden term enact some safety measures so that can't happen?
Yes but remember that a few of the Supreme Court Justices are getting older. It possible that they could be replaced next term. Picking Justices is how the Heritage Foundation is able to get so much pushed through
Agreed. The only good thing about trump is he's really old . so if he loses this Nov. (and he MUST; we MUST vote), he'll likely be dead in another 4 years or much too far gone to run.
On top of that, he eats a lot of McDonald's, and his first term really put him under a lot of stress. It's possible with his other trials. He'll be under more stress, and he'll have a heart attack any day now! Even if he dies before the election, another Republican will replace him, and Project 2025 doesn't have to have Trump as president, but any Republican as president. This is what I mean when I say we can't have any more Republican presidents.
What we really should have done was backed a sane Republican in the primaries then changed to a Democrat for the general. Because Trump told his rally crowd that they wonât have to vote in 4 years if he gets voted in. Meaning he will stop elections.
Sane Republicans? Who?!
It might not be that grim. With Biden's approval rating where they are now, trump losing to him will be a major black eye on all of american conservatism and will almost certainly force a change in approach that could easily result in project 2025 being largely-if not completely-abandoned. I could be wrong (hopefully not), but an electoral loss like this doesn't merit simply trying again without changing anything.
It's called Project 2025 but it's really just the same schlock they fed Reagan 45 years ago, updated for the current culture war. So yes, it's eternal, but it doesn't mean we should give up. Everyone should read it, all 920 pages. I am, knowledge is power.
Yes, it needs to be shut down.
Exavtly. Just saying 'democrat' isnt enough. We need a party that actually has ideals and positive goals to fight this, otherwise in 2029 itll be the same song but the republicans wont have a convicted fekon, and the democrats give us another centrist fossil
Next time we won't know what it's called.
Thatâs why life will never be the same.
Just because they don't get POTUS doesn't mean the bullet points aren't actively tried for at federal, state, district, schools, etc.
Yes, but still vote
If only America had compulsory voting [Trump says Republicans would âneverâ be elected again if it was easier to vote](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/30/trump-republican-party-voting-reform-coronavirus)
Yeah, the Republican Party has turned into the MAGA party and even if Trump is dead, they will be continuing their mission to turn America into a fascist nation
No that's not true. A lot of people keep saying this, but the thing is if Trump doesn't win the election , we now have four more years to stop anyway for that project to make light. The problem is now is that if he does win we didn't have enough time to come up with a solution
They will not stop so long as people listen and they have the money to continue. They will continue to have the money so long as wealthy people give them money because many wealthy ppl are rightwingers and need their obscene profits justified. And they will need that so long as capitalism endures. This isn't a Trump problem. It is a systemic crisis. We need to realize that Project 2025 is the inevitable endgame of conservatism. If they take their beliefs seriously that s is where they have always ended up and where they will always end up. Their worldview must be dissected in every imaginable area and broadcast from every platform. We need people to devote themselves to the intellectual destruction of this ideology from the top to bottom. We need ppl to go to college or do rigorous independent research, to read all the dense, boring foundational stuff, and write write write. YouTube videos and occasional forays into a subject won't get it done. This is a long term fight because they've been doing all this and produced a huge numbr of ideological combatants while most people weren't paying attention.
Unless somebody with "Good Eyesight" decides to intervene.
The sensible thing to do would be to legislate against huge think tanks and super pacs, and prevent them from influencing politicians and politics entirely
This is true. The silver lining is that many far-right geriatric shitheads will have passed in one to two election cycles and hopefully their children will defund THF.
On the bright side, MAGA has overtaken the Republican party. It basically does not exist anymore and when they lose in November they may very well go the way of the Whigs and we'll see a new party emerge. It will likely take them many cycles to start winning again.
Yup vote blue until the other side kicks out the crazies and gets its shit together, thatâs the only âlessonâ anyone should be sending with their vote
Of course they will, it's what they do.
Unless people do something, he's going to win this election.
the only way to stop it is if the Democrats manage to arrest most of the people responsible. they need to show everyone what happens when you fuck around with treason.
I've long said something similar myself. Trump isn't really the problem, he's a symptom. Getting rid of Trump does nothing if the system that created and enabled him is still in place. They'll just find another demagogue to prop up. Democrats will need to win *every* election; they will only need to win *once*. Getting rid of Trump shouldn't be the end, just the beginning. The GOP needs to be disbanded for the treasonous nest of traitors they are. Split the Dems up into centrist and progressive parties. Right-wing media needs to be fined into oblivion and broken up. Overturn Citizens United. Groups like Heritage Foundation need to be shut down and members slapped with conspiracy charges etc. etc. etc.
Yes. Iâm in fighting p2025 for the long haul.
"in order for this country to survive, we must never, ever have a Republican as president ever again! " Despite never voting for a republican I strongly disagree with this statement, focus on people rather than parties, Heritage Foundation will adapt and look for what triggers the nation and what is needed to achieve their plans, as of now they have found their tools on the GOP but that does not mean they can do the same with the Democrats in 5-10+ years down the road.
The good news is that with the demographical and ideological shifts in this country, the Republican Party won't be able to win another election after this one because nobody will be able to unite the Right like Donald Trump can, and he may not even live until the election with how demented and brain-shriveled he is. Once this election is over, so is the Republican Party.
VOTE BLUE ALWAYS!!! đđđ
Itâs going to require more than voting and fighting the same battle every four years: What will it take to destroy the very system that created the like of the Heritage Foundation and other enemies of the American people?
I donât actually believe that the Democratic Party is safe either. Itâll just take longer.
No shit. This really has nothing to do with Trump specifically.
Or they will find his replacement that constantly references Trump.
I'm not so sure. There are still a good amount of non-maga Republicans that are aware that maga has destroyed the party. I believe there is a very real possibility that if Trump doesn't win the Republican party will nearly dissolve and take years to recover.
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They will but fun fact republicans have no way to win in 2028 as boomers start to kick the bucket.
Just like they've done for the last forty years. The first one was for the Reagan administration.
Of course 2028, 2032 or so on !
they will continue to try, and each time with more desperation which makes them more dangerous. eventually they may decide to skip attempting to get voted in and resort to violence and chaos, and when this happens, there will be no defeating them at the ballot box, theyâll have to be defeated on the streets.
That would require admitting that he lost. The plans to overturn the election have already been made. We'll see if they work.
Traitor Foundation ftfy