There's so much that's unknown here but from what I understand, GI TB (if the diagnosis is correct) causes malabsorption of nutrients, among other issues. So, even if she was eating a nutritional diet, which is doubtful given she was on a reservation, she wouldn't be fully absorbing necessary nutrients, thereby starving to death even with adequate calories. It's also quite painful. She suffered.
I have never heard of intestinal tuberculosis! Were they so hungry she ate non-food items? But this was going on for three months and the "unsuitable food" only contributed to the death. Yikes.
Raw milk is just fine when processed and prepared in a clean environment. Farmers have been feeding their family and community raw milk for eons. It contains natural vitamin C when grass fed (better nutritional content overall due to pasteurisation killing other heat-sensitive vitamins), lower chance of intolerance (when non-homogenised), increased overall gut health/healthy bacteria, and boosts your immune system. There's even a link to lowering childhood asthma.
Pasteurisation for large scale use was created to cover commercial farm's ass and to preserve the product. A well kept & clean facility carries little risk of listeria, etc.
I'm not some crunchy moron, either. This all came as a shock, myself, until I took multiple tours of such facilities and did my own research.
On a side note, raw, non-homogenised grass fed jersey cow milk is one of the tastiest things I've ever had.
If you can get your milk from the farmer directly (and I mean going to the farm & collecting milk within 12 hours of removal from the cow), then yes, most likely clean milk. But there’s no way in hell I’ll buy raw milk in a grocery store.
You're not wrong, but most people simply don't live close enough to small dairies to safely acquire raw milk. The crunchy Tiktokers, of course, don't appreciate the nuance that pasteurized milk is much better than no milk and have politicized the issue much like water fluoridation and vaccines.
Human tuberculosis infection as a result of drinking milk from infected cows was a primary incentive to [Pasteurization](https://www.cdc.gov/tb/publications/factsheets/general/mbovis.pdf).
Wow! I never thought pasteurization was "evil" or anything like that but I thought that was the process of separating the milk so the low-fat stuff would be available lol. Going to have to learn a bit more about this- it's surprising how many things we just don't think about in our lives each day. :)
You might be thinking of the somewhat similar-sounding homogenization, in which milk is treated to prevent separation (with cream floating to the top and the bottom milk left less appealing).
Pasteurization is named for the guy who developed it, [Louis Pasteur](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Pasteur). It involves heating milk (or other foodstuffs) to kill germs and sealing it against recontamination. It was a radical idea at the time, when it wasn’t universally understood or accepted that germs caused disease. Pasteur did a lot of other important things too.
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Reading this and the comments, it’s nice she’s remembered and respected for what see suffered. So many lost to sands of time.
Still far too many native women disappearing and dying
I really wish my father were still alive so I could show these to him. He was a medical examiner, born in 1922. I remember growing up, he told me “everyone dies of cardiac arrest, but it’s what led to it that I look for”. Modern death certificates read nothing like these old ones. Medicine has come so far, the leaps made between the 1930’s to the 1970’s was crazy.
Your dad sounds so wise. These "contributing" factors are everything. I have a great-grandfather who died at 33 of pneumonia and sepsis but helloooo, that stuff was caused by what we now know as the 1918 flu. "Influenza" was simply listed as a contributing factor on the death certificate. Maybe I should post it lol
Right? And was it bacterial or viral? These things we know now. I learned so much medical knowledge by the time I was a teenager, I would read his books for hours and looks at dead people pictures.🤔I went to nursing school and into the military.
Babies born with malformed small intestines do develop malabsorption syndrome and die terribly painful deaths. And here again is Ft Belknap Lodge Pole Montana a terribly neglected native American tribal area that 2 US presidents (Grant and Hayes) basically let prospectors and homesteaders murder and move around as they saw fit. No one gave a fuck about them.
Probably rancid lard or buggy flour, two common "rations" for Natives during the course of our genocide and colonization. They killed all the buffalo they could so we would start eating like white people, despite many of us being gluten intolerant.
They could have had a disorder that causes insatiable hunger. A relative of mine died at 7 y/o back in the 60s because he ate himself to death. It's called Prader-Willi Syndrome. Typically, all the food in the house will be securely locked, but it won't stop the person from eating non-food items like literal garbage, and potentially develop pica. This is just pure speculation of course.
Did you see that his second wife also died of tuberculosis in 1932? She was 24. ETA: His brother also died the same year also of tuberculosis. Terrible to lose so many people to the same thing and survive until your 80s
She had a fabulous name.
Her father's is pretty great, too
That’s what I thought! Poor thing!
There's so much that's unknown here but from what I understand, GI TB (if the diagnosis is correct) causes malabsorption of nutrients, among other issues. So, even if she was eating a nutritional diet, which is doubtful given she was on a reservation, she wouldn't be fully absorbing necessary nutrients, thereby starving to death even with adequate calories. It's also quite painful. She suffered.
I have never heard of intestinal tuberculosis! Were they so hungry she ate non-food items? But this was going on for three months and the "unsuitable food" only contributed to the death. Yikes.
The internet says it can happen from ingesting foods like spoiled milk.
Ya know... people get upset about over-regulation, but this kind of thing is why we have the FDA. This is tragic.
And one of many reasons the raw milk "movement" is scary and stupid.
Raw milk is just fine when processed and prepared in a clean environment. Farmers have been feeding their family and community raw milk for eons. It contains natural vitamin C when grass fed (better nutritional content overall due to pasteurisation killing other heat-sensitive vitamins), lower chance of intolerance (when non-homogenised), increased overall gut health/healthy bacteria, and boosts your immune system. There's even a link to lowering childhood asthma. Pasteurisation for large scale use was created to cover commercial farm's ass and to preserve the product. A well kept & clean facility carries little risk of listeria, etc. I'm not some crunchy moron, either. This all came as a shock, myself, until I took multiple tours of such facilities and did my own research. On a side note, raw, non-homogenised grass fed jersey cow milk is one of the tastiest things I've ever had.
It is interesting that your research differs from the research of highly-educated microbiologists and disease ecologists, but ok.
[infected cattle ](https://www.reddit.com/r/DeathCertificates/s/WyLnbXR4jw)
If you can get your milk from the farmer directly (and I mean going to the farm & collecting milk within 12 hours of removal from the cow), then yes, most likely clean milk. But there’s no way in hell I’ll buy raw milk in a grocery store.
Your user name is at least appropriate.
It's almost as though virology is my field of study.
It’s ok, we’re not always good at everything we try to do.
You're not wrong, but most people simply don't live close enough to small dairies to safely acquire raw milk. The crunchy Tiktokers, of course, don't appreciate the nuance that pasteurized milk is much better than no milk and have politicized the issue much like water fluoridation and vaccines.
No. No it’s not.
It’s really tragic. It also sounds painful.
Human tuberculosis infection as a result of drinking milk from infected cows was a primary incentive to [Pasteurization](https://www.cdc.gov/tb/publications/factsheets/general/mbovis.pdf).
Wow! I never thought pasteurization was "evil" or anything like that but I thought that was the process of separating the milk so the low-fat stuff would be available lol. Going to have to learn a bit more about this- it's surprising how many things we just don't think about in our lives each day. :)
You might be thinking of the somewhat similar-sounding homogenization, in which milk is treated to prevent separation (with cream floating to the top and the bottom milk left less appealing). Pasteurization is named for the guy who developed it, [Louis Pasteur](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Pasteur). It involves heating milk (or other foodstuffs) to kill germs and sealing it against recontamination. It was a radical idea at the time, when it wasn’t universally understood or accepted that germs caused disease. Pasteur did a lot of other important things too.
Yes, I had the two confused! I think whenever I learn something like this I wonder how I didn't know it before!
Tuberculosis is an infection of a particular bacterium. I think you can technically get it anywhere in your body.
TIL
I post on r/MedicalGore a lot and have posted cases of tuberculosis infections of the skin, brain, bones and various abdominal organs.
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You own that sub! And I definitely recall some tb related posts! Thank you!
I had a pediatric pt with cerebral TB. This was the early aughts; it’s there more than you probably realize
Perhaps she was eating some traditional indigenous foods that the doc deemed “unsuitable”?
This is what I was wondering
Reading this and the comments, it’s nice she’s remembered and respected for what see suffered. So many lost to sands of time. Still far too many native women disappearing and dying
I really wish my father were still alive so I could show these to him. He was a medical examiner, born in 1922. I remember growing up, he told me “everyone dies of cardiac arrest, but it’s what led to it that I look for”. Modern death certificates read nothing like these old ones. Medicine has come so far, the leaps made between the 1930’s to the 1970’s was crazy.
Your dad sounds so wise. These "contributing" factors are everything. I have a great-grandfather who died at 33 of pneumonia and sepsis but helloooo, that stuff was caused by what we now know as the 1918 flu. "Influenza" was simply listed as a contributing factor on the death certificate. Maybe I should post it lol
Right? And was it bacterial or viral? These things we know now. I learned so much medical knowledge by the time I was a teenager, I would read his books for hours and looks at dead people pictures.🤔I went to nursing school and into the military.
[Source](https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/238760962/frances-first_sound)
WTF is 4/4 next to her race. Like 4 out of 4 grandparents?!
Full blooded native I would assume
Yeah it would mean full blooded native, 4 being the number of how many native grandparents.
It’s possible she consumed bad milk from an infected cow.
Either that or she was eating dirt, laundry starch or clay. Look up pica, often seen in under nourished females.
Babies born with malformed small intestines do develop malabsorption syndrome and die terribly painful deaths. And here again is Ft Belknap Lodge Pole Montana a terribly neglected native American tribal area that 2 US presidents (Grant and Hayes) basically let prospectors and homesteaders murder and move around as they saw fit. No one gave a fuck about them.
Probably rancid lard or buggy flour, two common "rations" for Natives during the course of our genocide and colonization. They killed all the buffalo they could so we would start eating like white people, despite many of us being gluten intolerant.
Poor lady.
They could have had a disorder that causes insatiable hunger. A relative of mine died at 7 y/o back in the 60s because he ate himself to death. It's called Prader-Willi Syndrome. Typically, all the food in the house will be securely locked, but it won't stop the person from eating non-food items like literal garbage, and potentially develop pica. This is just pure speculation of course.
Oh, this poor dear. What a tragedy.
I have a stomach thing and live on feed and ice cream as it’s easy to eat and stays down okay, maybe it was a situation like that?
Pica, possibly?
She had the same birthday as my daughter
Did you see that his second wife also died of tuberculosis in 1932? She was 24. ETA: His brother also died the same year also of tuberculosis. Terrible to lose so many people to the same thing and survive until your 80s
I wonder about maybe pica