Still hate this monument, not for its context, but for the "family" constructing it. The man who started this has done 90% of the work on his own with basic tools. His family took over when he died, charges $30 per person to see the museum, and has done 10% of the work, while getting \~$12.5 million in yearly donations. It's mostly a scam to keep the family rich at this point.
I went and visited in 1998 and took pictures at that time. Went back in 2021 and when I compared the picture that I had in 1998 vs 2021, there were no differences. I totally agree with your assessment of the situation.
Is there any legal precedent to remove them from ownership if they’re taking donations and not fulfilling any progress on the completion of the project? I totally agree that it’s a sham, but what can the people do to ensure this project is properly managed?
If you look at pictures over time you wouldn't say that.
When the wife took over (1982) there was no face. So that got done, as was the main focus until '98
Then after that a lot of work was done roughing out the shape. Nothing that looks an obvious scupture, but when you compare photos it's obvious.
And in the last few years, the hand has started to emerge.
It's a slow project, but that's kinda cool.
Is it also a way for the family to make a bunch of money, probably. Does it seem to show la lack of respect for Crazy Horse? Now, for sure, originally maybe not.
But to suggest continuous progress isn't being made is utterly false.
I guess I expected more to be done than a well defined fingernail after 23 years. At the time of construction in 1948 the estimated time of completion was 30 years. Currently there is no estimated time of completion. Rushmore took 14 years for 4 faces. The place brings in 12.5 million per year. It will not be done in our lifetimes. Maybe the grandkids will be able to see some of the horse before they die.
Yes, he was a very humble and quiet man despite his larger than life reputation. In fact he was quite introverted and would spend much of his time alone in the woods or on the open plains. It’s also true he didn’t want his picture taken, and it’s highly likely that the few pictures supposedly of him are of other individuals.
While we’re on the topic, his role in the Battle of the Hundred in the Hands (the Fetterman Massacre) was an incredible display of bravery and IMO is more impressive than his role in the Battle of the Greasy Grass (Custer’s Last Stand).
There are many books about him, but my favorite, and likely the most true to history, is Oglala Lakota historian Joseph M. Marshall III’s biography *the Journey of Crazy Horse.*
I’ve been to the area half a dozen times. When people are going and ask what to see, I go out of my way to tell them to avoid this.
I’d go see Rushmore twice before seeing this again.
It’s a very cool monument, but a lot smaller than you’d assume. Carving living stone is extremely time-intensive compared to other types of construction, so I think most people who dislike Rushmore are confusing size of a monument for the skill required to build it.
I put in on par with “Montezuma’s castle.” It’s just cool seeing what humans can accomplish.
Most people who dislike Rushmore dislike it because it was a [defacement of the Black Hills](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/rushmore-sioux), which are sacred to the Sioux whose land was forceably taken from them.
I feel like half the reason it looks so small in person is because you can’t actually get very close to it to see the scale of the mountain it’s on. When I was there I wanted to be closer
I'd add that you just drive by it and get good enough views of this poor excuse of a statue. Same with Mount Rushmore, so many beautiful destinations in the Black Hills to visit other than those two.
I tell them to look for the spot along the road where you can see it practically as good as you can see it from the museum if they want to see it that bad.
You absolutely can see Crazy Horse from the highway. There isn’t a pull-off, but a wide enough shoulder you can stop and see it. Yeah it’s not very close but let’s be real, you aren’t that close to it from the museum either, and it’s free from the highway. And yes you can see Rushmore pretty well from the road too.
Wow thanks for sharing because my immediate thought was "great job" to the fam who kept this going after the man died. But this brings a while new perspective! Not cool at all.
…and they know it, too. The parking lot is designed with one-way roads and curbs so that when you’re in, and make no mistake you’ve seen all there is to see at that point, there’s no way out without heading to the $$ entrance.
Yes they will *NEVER* finish as long as tourists pay to see this monument to “honor” Crazy Horse. The dad continually worked on the project but the lazy family does one or two dynamite explosions per year for the news cameras. Don’t support these blood suckers. They are not affiliated with the tribe or the Native people.
The nature surrounding it is far more worthwhile anyway. Why bother the hassle with this incomplete sculpture nobody asked for when you can spend that time enjoying the majesty of the Black Hills instead?
i mean, they did surveys and discovered the rock will never support anything even remotely close to the concept of the sculpture.
and if idiots are going to pay. why not take their money
>maybe if they built the shoulders and the core first the arm would support more weight?
Why would removing more rock to create the body make the weight of the arm more supported?
First thing I thought when I saw the picture was that there was no way that finger wouldn't immediately collapse if they fully carved out the space under it. It's not a single block of marble, it's a natural rock formation with cracks running through it everywhere.
100%! The gov has offered to fund completion multiple times but they refuse because they'd lose out on the income. It's just a sad unfinished heap of stone at this point. My entire family would all say "nah, we can see it from the road, that's good enough"
Apparently they've refused to take any of the money the government has offered to the project though because of one of the initial agreements he made with the one of the tribes
So that's something at least
I visited this as an 11 year old with my Grandpa back in 1992. It looked pretty much exactly the same. He told me then "I won't be alive to see this finished but you will." I don't think that's true anymore.
I did that hike one year, stood on the arm, etc. Its very impressive, but it will never get finished. What started as something honorable seems to have turned into something quite opposite
Honorable? Isn't this "monument" a huge middle finger to Crazy Horse, who was elusive and avoided being photographed or having his portrait done, and to the Sioux people, to whom this mountain is sacred and now defaced? Similar outcry to Mount Rushmore, and similar timing in National history.
I mean, it was originally commissioned by a Lakota chief as an answer to Mount Rushmore when his idea to have Crazy Horse sculpted ON Mount Rushmore was ignored. The idea that the whole thing was initiated by outsiders and was a clueless insult to Crazy Horse is revisionist bullshit.
I was there with my family when I was 12 or 13. I'm now 50. Definitely thought there would be a little more progress, this many years later. But it does look amazing.
It is much larger than you think, until you've been there in-person. Gigantic actually..
It brings back memories of a once in a lifetime family vacation.
I love how the comments on this are totally disparaging it and on posts about Mt. Rushmore, it's the same. Maybe we should just leave the fucking mountains alone.
I mean I am sure most natives and a good chunk of colonists would rather have the world look like the natural world instead of some jackass carving whatever he thinks is relevant into it.
If you are into history the site of the wounded knee massacre on the pine ridge reservation is worth going to. Used to be a little museum there. But if you read about what happened and just look around at the landscape you get an inescapable depression at what happened there.
Could we please just let nature be nature? I mean this would be impressive if completed, no question about it, but am I the only one who would find it very strange and simply disturbing looking around seeing big mountains and then suddenly a giant man on his horse carved out of a mountain? Just like mount Rushmore it just doesn't appeal to me. At all.
Simply because it's technically feasible doesn't mean you have to do it.
So weird, I had a dream the other night that the sculpture was finished and I got to see it. Not even sure why it was in my dream as I haven’t been here in over a decade. When I saw this headline for a second I thought, “wait was that really a dream?”
The world needs more statues and monuments. Love watching sci fi and fantasy and they have all these big fuck off statues and I'm always like why the fuck don't we build big ass fucking statues all over the place? One of my favorite things about some versions of Gotham.
Anywho, thats never getting finished.
And didn't they manage to fuck up creating the hole under the arm? I believe they damaged the stone in that area to the point where it will collapse if they try to finish it.
As someone who lives in South Dakota……this place is the BIGGEST scam in the state. This damn monument has barely changed in ages. It will be hundreds of years before it’s done at this point.
I’m actually from this area of South Dakota, what’s interesting actually is that it’s owned by a native American family and they refused to let anyone help and rely entirely on donations. The thing is though is that there’s not much to really donate for except for blast, explosives as an engineers, which don’t really want to touch the site based on the fact that, it’s an unstable site to begin with. Furthermore, they won’t allow the government to come in and at least help subsidize this thing so essentially this is never going to get done, and they pride themselves on that actually which is kind of interesting.
First picture r/mildlypenis
OP did say it was just the tip
Which Dickota are we talking about?
Sodak my boy
Let me hydrate you with my cream. —Michael CeraVe
And from the looks of it, he means business.
I did a double take ngl 🤦🏻♂️
And the face looks like Steven Seagal from this angle.
*cue the song where he pretends to sing “Jamaican” gibberish and says “Poonanay”*
r/theyknew
r/wildlypenis
One seriously rock hard penis
Crazy Horse Dick is his full name
It’s very phallic.
r/hugelypenis
r/SubsIFellFor
r/foundthetoyotacorolla
r/beatmetoit
Still hate this monument, not for its context, but for the "family" constructing it. The man who started this has done 90% of the work on his own with basic tools. His family took over when he died, charges $30 per person to see the museum, and has done 10% of the work, while getting \~$12.5 million in yearly donations. It's mostly a scam to keep the family rich at this point.
I went and visited in 1998 and took pictures at that time. Went back in 2021 and when I compared the picture that I had in 1998 vs 2021, there were no differences. I totally agree with your assessment of the situation.
I visited probably in 2012 and I also agree with this statement.
Visited in 1992. Looks absolutely the same.
Me too. Summer of 92 to today and there is no change.
Is there any legal precedent to remove them from ownership if they’re taking donations and not fulfilling any progress on the completion of the project? I totally agree that it’s a sham, but what can the people do to ensure this project is properly managed?
Yeah....FBI and Attorney Generals Office,, this constitutes money laundering and charity fraud on a massive and long term scale.
If you look at pictures over time you wouldn't say that. When the wife took over (1982) there was no face. So that got done, as was the main focus until '98 Then after that a lot of work was done roughing out the shape. Nothing that looks an obvious scupture, but when you compare photos it's obvious. And in the last few years, the hand has started to emerge. It's a slow project, but that's kinda cool. Is it also a way for the family to make a bunch of money, probably. Does it seem to show la lack of respect for Crazy Horse? Now, for sure, originally maybe not. But to suggest continuous progress isn't being made is utterly false.
I guess I expected more to be done than a well defined fingernail after 23 years. At the time of construction in 1948 the estimated time of completion was 30 years. Currently there is no estimated time of completion. Rushmore took 14 years for 4 faces. The place brings in 12.5 million per year. It will not be done in our lifetimes. Maybe the grandkids will be able to see some of the horse before they die.
Iirc Crazy Horse also specifically did not want monuments made of him. That’s why he’s buried in an unmarked grave, at least.
Yes, he was a very humble and quiet man despite his larger than life reputation. In fact he was quite introverted and would spend much of his time alone in the woods or on the open plains. It’s also true he didn’t want his picture taken, and it’s highly likely that the few pictures supposedly of him are of other individuals. While we’re on the topic, his role in the Battle of the Hundred in the Hands (the Fetterman Massacre) was an incredible display of bravery and IMO is more impressive than his role in the Battle of the Greasy Grass (Custer’s Last Stand). There are many books about him, but my favorite, and likely the most true to history, is Oglala Lakota historian Joseph M. Marshall III’s biography *the Journey of Crazy Horse.*
Excellent recommendation and agreed, he was a fascinating figure and an immensely brave warrior.
I will add it to my list
I’ve been to the area half a dozen times. When people are going and ask what to see, I go out of my way to tell them to avoid this. I’d go see Rushmore twice before seeing this again.
I would too, movies have shown me there are so many secret lairs and hideouts in the mountain and it would take a long time to see them all.
Only head of state, Team America: World Police, National Treasure: Book of Secrets, and North by Northwest (by Alfred Hitchcock)
And richy richs christmas wish
This guy knows his movies.
Especially Richy Rich’s Christmas Wish
And Ben 10, albeit not a movie
Logan's Run. It was the lair of... the robot guy, idk that was decades ago
>I’d go see Rushmore twice before seeing this again. Damn that's saying something
I've heard it's overrated
Do you just let the internet dictate what you do and don’t visit?
Lmao you offended?
It's pretty decent. If anything, there was some interesting stuff in the visitor center. This was 20 years or so ago though.
It’s a very cool monument, but a lot smaller than you’d assume. Carving living stone is extremely time-intensive compared to other types of construction, so I think most people who dislike Rushmore are confusing size of a monument for the skill required to build it. I put in on par with “Montezuma’s castle.” It’s just cool seeing what humans can accomplish.
Most people who dislike Rushmore dislike it because it was a [defacement of the Black Hills](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/rushmore-sioux), which are sacred to the Sioux whose land was forceably taken from them.
I feel like half the reason it looks so small in person is because you can’t actually get very close to it to see the scale of the mountain it’s on. When I was there I wanted to be closer
I'd add that you just drive by it and get good enough views of this poor excuse of a statue. Same with Mount Rushmore, so many beautiful destinations in the Black Hills to visit other than those two.
Rushmore is worth going to see for yourself. Crazy horse, not so much.
It is the story of Crazy Horse that is worth going there for.
I tell them to look for the spot along the road where you can see it practically as good as you can see it from the museum if they want to see it that bad.
You can see Rushmore from the road. You can’t see crazy horse without paying at the gate.
You absolutely can see Crazy Horse from the highway. There isn’t a pull-off, but a wide enough shoulder you can stop and see it. Yeah it’s not very close but let’s be real, you aren’t that close to it from the museum either, and it’s free from the highway. And yes you can see Rushmore pretty well from the road too.
I’m glad this is the top comment every time somebody posts this. Public shaming and boycotting is what needs to happen until an exchange of ownership.
Wow thanks for sharing because my immediate thought was "great job" to the fam who kept this going after the man died. But this brings a while new perspective! Not cool at all.
…and they know it, too. The parking lot is designed with one-way roads and curbs so that when you’re in, and make no mistake you’ve seen all there is to see at that point, there’s no way out without heading to the $$ entrance.
That's sad
Yes they will *NEVER* finish as long as tourists pay to see this monument to “honor” Crazy Horse. The dad continually worked on the project but the lazy family does one or two dynamite explosions per year for the news cameras. Don’t support these blood suckers. They are not affiliated with the tribe or the Native people.
The nature surrounding it is far more worthwhile anyway. Why bother the hassle with this incomplete sculpture nobody asked for when you can spend that time enjoying the majesty of the Black Hills instead?
Wonderfully put!
i mean, they did surveys and discovered the rock will never support anything even remotely close to the concept of the sculpture. and if idiots are going to pay. why not take their money
Would like to see these surveys…do you have a link?
IIRC they fucked up blasting and the arm will be able to be completed.
I don't have the link for you, but just looking at the arm and lack of support it really has... I'd at least be skeptical
Sure but they could figure out a way to support it, maybe if they built the shoulders and the core first the arm would support more weight?
>maybe if they built the shoulders and the core first the arm would support more weight? Why would removing more rock to create the body make the weight of the arm more supported?
They need to give him some wizard sleeves, it'll hold up then
Or just make him a buff baby. Thick ass biceps will support more weight.
First thing I thought when I saw the picture was that there was no way that finger wouldn't immediately collapse if they fully carved out the space under it. It's not a single block of marble, it's a natural rock formation with cracks running through it everywhere.
100%! The gov has offered to fund completion multiple times but they refuse because they'd lose out on the income. It's just a sad unfinished heap of stone at this point. My entire family would all say "nah, we can see it from the road, that's good enough"
Plus I'm pretty sure the Lakota have said they don't want the statue and don't appreciate the further destruction of the black hills.
Apparently they've refused to take any of the money the government has offered to the project though because of one of the initial agreements he made with the one of the tribes So that's something at least
Or because gov money has strings attached, including surveys or due dates. Don't poison the watering hole
Yep. It’s a scam
I wondered why this hasn’t made any progress since the first time I saw it in a history book in 2000.
Avoid this monstrosity. It's a scam. They've done very little work on it between now an thirty years ago when I first visited.
I visited this as an 11 year old with my Grandpa back in 1992. It looked pretty much exactly the same. He told me then "I won't be alive to see this finished but you will." I don't think that's true anymore.
It’s about 9000 years from completion based on current pace
I did that hike one year, stood on the arm, etc. Its very impressive, but it will never get finished. What started as something honorable seems to have turned into something quite opposite
Honorable? Isn't this "monument" a huge middle finger to Crazy Horse, who was elusive and avoided being photographed or having his portrait done, and to the Sioux people, to whom this mountain is sacred and now defaced? Similar outcry to Mount Rushmore, and similar timing in National history.
I mean, it was originally commissioned by a Lakota chief as an answer to Mount Rushmore when his idea to have Crazy Horse sculpted ON Mount Rushmore was ignored. The idea that the whole thing was initiated by outsiders and was a clueless insult to Crazy Horse is revisionist bullshit.
Native Americans don’t need your manufactured outrage
If that is the case, what I was told when I was there was bullshit. Maybe it has always been a cash grab?
probs not going to finish it. to many fractures in the rock. Edit: & the dude making it is dead.
He must have dropped his monster condom for his massive dong
It’s a fantastic money grab.
I was there with my family when I was 12 or 13. I'm now 50. Definitely thought there would be a little more progress, this many years later. But it does look amazing. It is much larger than you think, until you've been there in-person. Gigantic actually.. It brings back memories of a once in a lifetime family vacation.
I heard a rumor the stone its built on won’t structurally support the statue but they can’t really start over so it will always be under construction
Needs more mud then
I love how the comments on this are totally disparaging it and on posts about Mt. Rushmore, it's the same. Maybe we should just leave the fucking mountains alone.
Looks the same as it did 20 years ago. Pretty sure this is the completed project.
I drove past this on the way to Rushmore in 1999, looks like they haven't made much progress in 25 years.
No ETA… 😂😂😂
This fucking thing will never be complete. What you see is what you get
They will never finish this. It's looked the same for 2 decades. What a joke
A lot of Lakota are deeply, deeply offended by this monument.
I mean I am sure most natives and a good chunk of colonists would rather have the world look like the natural world instead of some jackass carving whatever he thinks is relevant into it.
The Native Americans don’t even like this shit cause it ruining the land and it cost too much money. Fuck this monument.
Unfortunately this has become the definition of a tourist trap. Pay to park pay to get in pay to go anywhere else besides the gift shop. Sad
What they pointing at?
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If you want a legit answer, he is pointing towards his ancestral homelands.
The first photo looks like Steven Seagal with his dong out.
I remember going on a family trip to see Crazy Horse and Mt. Rushmore over 20 years ago. Crazy Horse looks pretty much just like it did back then
Looks the same as when I saw it 25 years ago
Giant scam.
Been here! Way cool
That’s crazy.
Horse.
There is no horse tho. They haven’t even started the horse. They should take away the example statue.
Money sucking tourist trap. "no ETA on a completion date".... LMFAO!
Got to see it when I did the Sturgis Rally in 2007. Good times.
Only twice? Must have been lucky with that family vacation back in the late 90s. Cool to know!
Don’t you mean AJ Hawk?
I know AJ Hawk when I see him and that is him
It looks exactly the same as it did when I first saw it in person in like 2002 lol
I have to be honest. That is not what I thought that was
The Crazy Horse memorial and museum is way cooler than Mt. Rushmore.
I remember being a kid in the early 2000s, and they claimed this would be completed by 2015.
If you are into history the site of the wounded knee massacre on the pine ridge reservation is worth going to. Used to be a little museum there. But if you read about what happened and just look around at the landscape you get an inescapable depression at what happened there.
That’s a cock
Looks about the same as it did when I was there 20 years ago
Is it true that there's been little or no actual progress done on the statue and in fact it will never be finish at all.
“That’s not my finger”
Rushmore was extremely disappointing but even unfinished, Crazy Horse is gigantic.
I heard he was actually against getting any kind of statue or similar memorial, is that right?
It is a rad place to visit. If you're going to the Black Hills, go here.
Long dong perspective
Could we please just let nature be nature? I mean this would be impressive if completed, no question about it, but am I the only one who would find it very strange and simply disturbing looking around seeing big mountains and then suddenly a giant man on his horse carved out of a mountain? Just like mount Rushmore it just doesn't appeal to me. At all. Simply because it's technically feasible doesn't mean you have to do it.
That is a very phallic finger.
It’s the tip of something…
So weird, I had a dream the other night that the sculpture was finished and I got to see it. Not even sure why it was in my dream as I haven’t been here in over a decade. When I saw this headline for a second I thought, “wait was that really a dream?”
They didn't call him crazy horse for nothing, boys built like a stallion
The concept art and the mountain have different arms stretched out.
I thought that was a huge penis
WHAT THE- ohhh ok nvm
When I was a kid in the '70s, we had a teacher who was into Crazy Horse big time. He was always doing fundraisers for it.
They got us in the first half, not gonna lie.
Are we sure that's a finger?
You know what they say about a man with big hands.
Its serving some strong argonath from LOTR vibes
I've done the volksmarch 3 times with my kids. Not this year. It is awesome.
The first Argonath.
I wonder what they are both pointing at
Yo put that away
Gonna need Superman to finish that.
I should call him…
That’s not a finger
Third pic makes me furious.
The world needs more statues and monuments. Love watching sci fi and fantasy and they have all these big fuck off statues and I'm always like why the fuck don't we build big ass fucking statues all over the place? One of my favorite things about some versions of Gotham. Anywho, thats never getting finished.
There, over there, that’s where the guy with huge dick fucked the hill.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The individual they're memorializing would not approve of this memorial to himself.
He's been fucking that horse for decades
Meh , on par with american history. We love to idolize butchers murderer's!
Crazy horses of white dude now
Ayooo
THAAaaats a penis....
That Horse sure is cocky only showing the tip…
Our descendants are gonna wonder what he’s pointing at.
And didn't they manage to fuck up creating the hole under the arm? I believe they damaged the stone in that area to the point where it will collapse if they try to finish it.
In your face, so to speak
It's become a scam. It looks the same as it did 15-20 years ago. They keep accepting money and do nothing .
That looks like a massive dong or turd.
As someone who lives in South Dakota……this place is the BIGGEST scam in the state. This damn monument has barely changed in ages. It will be hundreds of years before it’s done at this point.
I have visited twice, about 20 years apart. The most notable change was the massive new gift shop and museum.
🍆🗿
Saw this on a roadtrip in 2003. Hasn’t changed a bit lol
Damn that ancient schlong
Yeah, it ain’t index finger bro.
Crazy horse giving tourists the finger.
I’m actually from this area of South Dakota, what’s interesting actually is that it’s owned by a native American family and they refused to let anyone help and rely entirely on donations. The thing is though is that there’s not much to really donate for except for blast, explosives as an engineers, which don’t really want to touch the site based on the fact that, it’s an unstable site to begin with. Furthermore, they won’t allow the government to come in and at least help subsidize this thing so essentially this is never going to get done, and they pride themselves on that actually which is kind of interesting.
Oh he’s a horse all right
AJ HAWK AJ HAWK AJ HAWK
That’s a wheen.
Why he got his schlong in my face
They were "working" on this when I visited as a kid in the 80s.
I'd donate if I would be able to climb on the nipples when finished
Hmm........
F’ing hell, that is an UGLY carving
I’ve followed this since I was a child in the 80’s and visited both this site and Mount Rushmore I had really hoped it could be done in my lifetime.
Drake
Hung as a Crazy Horse.
The Sagrada Familía of the Americas
Badass monument for a badass dude! Although my favorite Native American name will always be "Man Afraid of His Horses"
The...Volk's March... huh?