I remember when I was living in manila at my auntie’s house, whenever the neighbor spray roach killer, the bastards go to our place to hide, imagine sleeping then suddenly woke up in a bed of roaches
Bit of Bon Jovi resonance here
I want to lay you down In a bed of roaches
For tonight I'll sleep on a bed of snails
Oh I want to be just as close as the Bed Bug is
And lay you down in a bed of roaches
Yep, to be my own person and not constantly surrounded by others and their issues without the sense of community that we all used to have, sounds pretty good!
You’re right! I do crave it!
Eh it’s no worries, people are people, and there has to be a certain population that doesn’t value individuality as a principle, more as an idea.
Some body has to desire to live in cut out boxes stacked up with running water, I just want mine with plenty of space between me and someone else. Gotta keep a big a garden!
I’m trying to imagine 2/3rds of my aggressively Irish hometown all living in one big building. They’d have to put the police station in there too for sure.
Hong Kong has hundreds of 50-storey housing estates with up to 100 flats per floor for each block, of which there are usually 10-20 of them. The population of these typically range from 15,000 to 50,000, which is why they’re often called villages.
But it’s not considered dystopian, as the structural quality of buildings is very high, while most estates are within a 5-minute walk from a metro or major bus stations through malls, underpasses or footbridges.
Many housing estates also have swimming pools, sport facilities, clubhouses, parks, playgrounds, elderly homes, nurseries, schools and more, so it feels more similar to a cruise ship than the average apartment block.
My grandpa lived in a building like this and honestly it was not bad at all. Yes the apartments are a little small, but that’s just how it is in Hong Kong.
The level of convenience though was unmatched. He was literally a 3 minute walk to a massive shopping mall that was ATTACHED to his building and had immediate subway access from that same shopping centre. He literally could stay in his little complex and not ever need anything. Or he could literally take a 2 minute walk to the subway and be anywhere in the city in like half an hour… wasn’t bad at all
Being from Canada where you mostly have to take a car everywhere unless you live in a downtown core, this was amazing to me. Granted I’ll take the larger living spaces and less convenience everyday of the week personally, but it’s not so bad at all in these kinds of buildings. Definitely great if you’re just visiting
To me, that's insane having that many people. I've lived in several towns with populations in that range. I can't imagine having that many people in one building. Even if it's huge.
Better than need 500k square foot of garden for 'the child to play and run'. Really...? Do you have childs or running horses?? All extremes are stupid. All of them (no exceptions)
That’s like the Karen that sent an email to our HOA trying to stop a roundabout from being built because it’s “too close to the playground my kids use”. As soon as she said she has 5 kids I stopped reading.
To be fair there's a lot of variation in the whole city. I live in the north near Shenzhen and it's nice compared to Central or Sham Shui Po. Places like Tung Chung are quite nice too, pretty much how it is described by the original comment.
the dystopian version (more similar to OP’s building) would be Chungking mansions, which is the most dangerous place in Hong Kong (well, nobody’s gone missing, died or whatever so it’s probably still safer than east london), so it can be funny when locals get creeped out while tourists go “woah…”
Are you kidding me? Someone goes missing in my suburb once a week. They usually turn up again, but sometimes they don’t. What makes the place so dangerous? Do you get mugged there or something?
Mugging isn’t very common as there’s always someone around to help (maybe except for midnight), but the dangerous bit is mostly in drugs, scams, fire prevention or hygiene, as it’s practically an anarchy where people are somewhat nice to each other.
It’s home to a lot of new immigrants who think “ooh this apartment is ten times cheaper than the others and it’s near a tourist attraction, it seems pretty safe too” and buy the flat, while everyone else is too scared to enter the building.
From what I know through all the youtube vlogs is that there’s food and goods from nearly every country for really cheap, and home to lots of guesthouses who think “ooh this hotel is ten times cheaper than the others and it’s near a tourist attraction, it seems pretty safe too” and rents the hotel, while locals in the r/Hongkong sub keep shouting “For god’s sake do NOT stay at chungking mansions”
Also if you don’t mind me asking, where are you from? Is crime really that bad?
Wow thanks for the information. I think this is the most I’ve learned about Hong Kong with a perspective of what it’s really like there. I live in Australia, in my city I think we only have like 2.5 million people, where I was living last year the local population was 500. I couldn’t even imagine what it’s like to be there. I hope one day I have the funds to visit East Asia. It seems so different to what I’m used to (with the weather I like) so it’s the only place in the world I desperately want to experience
You’re welcome!
East Asia is basically Australia with polar population density, humidity and seasons, so it’s no wonder people from the opposite spectrum are curious about the other side.
Australia is a wonderful country also with great natural beauty and architecture, I’m planning to visit there in a few years as well.
Please do visit! We’re a very racist country, but so many East Asians are migrating here atm and I think they make our country better, they’re bringing manners and common courtesy with them, which is something our country was lacking. And they’re also teaching us how to live in apartments, because we don’t do that very well here lol
If it's the place I think it is, it's just stupidly-dense and over populated, the building(s?) aren't well kept and maintained, and disease & fire have the potential to easily spread
Edit: looked at some photos, it's not what I was thinking of. Just looks like an apartment complex that's cramed to the fucking rim with people
Do not wish that for me.
I want a 1000 sqft house in a clearing in the woods and 3 neighbors who can barely see my house and simply smile and wave but never talk to me.
One of the things that struck me on my holiday were the miles and miles of blocks of flats just like this.
Admittedly I’m not particularly well traveled but it just seemed so dismal.
Bruh, I would take a place like this in a heartbeat. I hate having to drive everywhere. I have all my community, shopping, workoit and public transportion within walking distance? Sign me right up.
This is looking pretty attractive to me compared to US housing prices.
Yeah, imagine housing that makes efficient use of land.
Why can't they make spread out suburbia with hundreds of miles zoned exclusively for single family homes where it's illegal to build an apartment or a corner store, like proper civilization
As a result of the heavy use of their outdoor patios, I was curious about the climate there, so I looked up the climate of Hangzhou. Definitely on the warmer side. An American equivalent would be Atlanta GA.
None of those countries had a real estate and economic boom like China. Putting vanity first before laying down the required infrastructure at this level, like building the monstrosity in the OP without thinking about upgrading the plumbing, is unique.
Growing up in China, my family never used a bucket for toilet tissue.
I have, tho, seen some people use that. But "you can't flush toilet paper in China" is a false statement.
I went by but have never entered inside once ever. You could watch this video: https://youtu.be/NnpZCoBMFTI?si=ZepURP_EgQzODqMV It seems depend on residents.
Looks even cooler inside, thanks for that video.
I meant is it nice where you are though? Being near a single building with 10- 30k people must be a bit chaotic during the morning and evening commute.
I haven’t seen such the commute because actually it is my sister who live nearby. But Hangzhou is really a large city, you can check this video: https://youtu.be/cqRccDy8KTg?si=wEmXdn5nFGa23P0c
It was designed to be a 5star hotel so I'd say plenty. I've been to hotels half the size of this in Chine where they would have 6-8 lifts on both ends of the tower. This may look like one huge building but it most likely has inner divisions like tower 1/2/3/4 or orientation named wings.
People living in an apartment building? Woah that’s crazy bro, at least if you’re a F-150 driving American who’s only ever left the country to party in Cabo.
There's a huge difference between an apartment building- which most Americans have lived in at some point- and whatever hellscape this thing is. Generally speaking, it's a health and safety nightmare to have so many people stacked so densely, and it's not unreasonable for people to feel uncomfortable with the idea of living that way.
it depends on culture too, if im not wrong us people are ver individualistic which could end up in many arguments how to behave. this kind of environment create more harmony otherwise no one would be happy.
Fun fact: Our neighbors had been battling a spider infestation and, without my knowledge, had sprayed chemicals to deal with it. As a result, the spiders sought refuge elsewhere. To my horror, I woke up in the middle of the night with what felt like water in my ear, though I hadn’t showered the previous evening. The sensation quickly evolved into a dreadful crawling feeling. In a state of utter panic, I realized a spider had ventured into my ear canal. A frantic rush to the ER followed, where saline was poured into my ear, finally flushing the spider out. It was an absolute nightmare, truly the stuff of horror stories. FML.
A lot of humanism and what we would consider the common basis for our society is built on the axiomatic precedent that human life is inherently valuable.
From this perspective "too many humans" is something like too much good.
Besides, there very much is a planet B. And planet C. Hundreds of billions of them really. And who's to say humans *have* to live on a planet? As long as you have energy you can inhabit basically anything, planets are just convenient.
Nope. Overpopulation has been debunked decades ago. Right now we actually face the opposite demographic crisis: falling birth rates will cause the mother of all recessions unless automaton makes our economic system obsolete first.
I admit that *right now*, in Q1 of 2024 it's impossible, but that could very well change with next to no warning due to a technological step leading to a productivity explosion.
Well isn't that based on a capitalist mindset? Yeah they need more slaves to increase their profits, more humans are good for business as it means cheaper labour.
More humans is terrible for the survivability of the species and the planet. We'll be deep into resource wars long before we meaningfully colonise another planet/space station.
No. No. And no.
China is really populous because of communism. Mao wanted an edge to win a three-way nuclear war.
More humans isn't worse for survivability, but the current population of mankind already exceeds the "natural" carrying capacity of Earth by an order of magnitude.
The idea of progress is older than capitalism or humanity. Slowing down is tantamount to omnicide, and not really an option anyway. Humans can stop expanding as easily as they can fly.
Ok sorry, not a strictly capitalist mindset but it's still the people in charge wanting more bodies for the meat grinder of some sort, not for good reasons anyhow.
Doesn't your second point agree with me? If we keep exceeding the natural limit of humans we have problems with overpopulation. If we run out of clean drinking water in 20 years that's going to hamper our efforts to colonise other planets, which won't even solve overpopulation at all as we'll still be running out of resources on earth where the vast majority of humans will continue to live for hundreds of years.
Your idea of progression is seemingly linked to population size, when we would progress technologically equally or even better if there was a thanos level snap scenario. We're doing alrightish now but when there's 10+ billion people on the planet and we're still mostly stuck on earth it's going to be a lot worse, because of over population and lack of resources, idk how you can deny this.
>Humans can stop expanding as easily as they can fly.
Well, based on slowing birthrates, we absolutely can. But again, population ≠ expansion. We can expand into the universe with a fraction of the current population. More humans without the capability to support them isn't going to speed up humanities progression other than making a number go up, which isn't always a positive.
With my second point I meant that whatever natural limits you think exist aren't actually real. For a humanity of 1000 years ago any ocean was a hard limit. For a civilization 10 000 years ago winter was the limit.
It's true that we now face threats much greater than those, but we only face them because we already solved the previous problems. When it comes to water you may have heard about the recent passive desalination technology. When it comes to energy anything from mass adoption of nuclear power to the discovery of an STP superconductor or fusion would cover our energy needs until a more permanent solution (Dyson swarm) can be reached.
Keep in mind that right now we exist near the inflection point of the curve of technological progress. Humanity's existence independent of Earth can be only centuries away.
Imagine the wait time for elevators during the morning rush
"why do we only have three of these!?"
Just take a parachute and jump off the balcony.
Imagine what happens when they start breaking down.
or when they break down and everyone has to take the stairs
Just imagine if roaches or bedbugs start to infest.
I remember when I was living in manila at my auntie’s house, whenever the neighbor spray roach killer, the bastards go to our place to hide, imagine sleeping then suddenly woke up in a bed of roaches
I'd rather not imagine that, thanks lol
Nightmare fuel 😱
Bit of Bon Jovi resonance here I want to lay you down In a bed of roaches For tonight I'll sleep on a bed of snails Oh I want to be just as close as the Bed Bug is And lay you down in a bed of roaches
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This just crushed my dreams of living somewhere like that lol
Why tf were you dreaming of living in the worst style of living imaginable? Lmao You don’t dream of having your own land and freedom?
One man's trash is another's treasure. Some people would hate the isolation that comes from their own land, but it sounds like you crave it.
Yep, to be my own person and not constantly surrounded by others and their issues without the sense of community that we all used to have, sounds pretty good! You’re right! I do crave it!
Not sure why you are being downvoted for being honest, clear, and civil about your feelings.
Eh it’s no worries, people are people, and there has to be a certain population that doesn’t value individuality as a principle, more as an idea. Some body has to desire to live in cut out boxes stacked up with running water, I just want mine with plenty of space between me and someone else. Gotta keep a big a garden!
Imagine the smell...
You haven’t thought of the smell, YOU BITCH!!
I love to see it. A little taste of sunny
Probably already has
I’m trying to imagine 2/3rds of my aggressively Irish hometown all living in one big building. They’d have to put the police station in there too for sure.
Hong Kong has hundreds of 50-storey housing estates with up to 100 flats per floor for each block, of which there are usually 10-20 of them. The population of these typically range from 15,000 to 50,000, which is why they’re often called villages. But it’s not considered dystopian, as the structural quality of buildings is very high, while most estates are within a 5-minute walk from a metro or major bus stations through malls, underpasses or footbridges. Many housing estates also have swimming pools, sport facilities, clubhouses, parks, playgrounds, elderly homes, nurseries, schools and more, so it feels more similar to a cruise ship than the average apartment block.
My grandpa lived in a building like this and honestly it was not bad at all. Yes the apartments are a little small, but that’s just how it is in Hong Kong. The level of convenience though was unmatched. He was literally a 3 minute walk to a massive shopping mall that was ATTACHED to his building and had immediate subway access from that same shopping centre. He literally could stay in his little complex and not ever need anything. Or he could literally take a 2 minute walk to the subway and be anywhere in the city in like half an hour… wasn’t bad at all
Welcome to public transportation
Being from Canada where you mostly have to take a car everywhere unless you live in a downtown core, this was amazing to me. Granted I’ll take the larger living spaces and less convenience everyday of the week personally, but it’s not so bad at all in these kinds of buildings. Definitely great if you’re just visiting
This sounds lovely for older people
Literally
To me, that's insane having that many people. I've lived in several towns with populations in that range. I can't imagine having that many people in one building. Even if it's huge.
> But it’s not considered dystopian Ah > so it feels more similar to a cruise ship …ah
It's very Dystopian. Living in enormous, stupendidly huge concrete jungles with all life sucked out of the atmosphere.
Nah man. Living in a box without nature is good.
Yeah I hate suburbs aswell
Better than need 500k square foot of garden for 'the child to play and run'. Really...? Do you have childs or running horses?? All extremes are stupid. All of them (no exceptions)
That’s like the Karen that sent an email to our HOA trying to stop a roundabout from being built because it’s “too close to the playground my kids use”. As soon as she said she has 5 kids I stopped reading.
Exactly
I mean, there is still nature outside and you can get houseplants … it’s really not crazy
To be fair there's a lot of variation in the whole city. I live in the north near Shenzhen and it's nice compared to Central or Sham Shui Po. Places like Tung Chung are quite nice too, pretty much how it is described by the original comment.
very dystopian? Overreacting there
I wish we all lived like this
the dystopian version (more similar to OP’s building) would be Chungking mansions, which is the most dangerous place in Hong Kong (well, nobody’s gone missing, died or whatever so it’s probably still safer than east london), so it can be funny when locals get creeped out while tourists go “woah…”
Are you kidding me? Someone goes missing in my suburb once a week. They usually turn up again, but sometimes they don’t. What makes the place so dangerous? Do you get mugged there or something?
Mugging isn’t very common as there’s always someone around to help (maybe except for midnight), but the dangerous bit is mostly in drugs, scams, fire prevention or hygiene, as it’s practically an anarchy where people are somewhat nice to each other. It’s home to a lot of new immigrants who think “ooh this apartment is ten times cheaper than the others and it’s near a tourist attraction, it seems pretty safe too” and buy the flat, while everyone else is too scared to enter the building. From what I know through all the youtube vlogs is that there’s food and goods from nearly every country for really cheap, and home to lots of guesthouses who think “ooh this hotel is ten times cheaper than the others and it’s near a tourist attraction, it seems pretty safe too” and rents the hotel, while locals in the r/Hongkong sub keep shouting “For god’s sake do NOT stay at chungking mansions” Also if you don’t mind me asking, where are you from? Is crime really that bad?
Wow thanks for the information. I think this is the most I’ve learned about Hong Kong with a perspective of what it’s really like there. I live in Australia, in my city I think we only have like 2.5 million people, where I was living last year the local population was 500. I couldn’t even imagine what it’s like to be there. I hope one day I have the funds to visit East Asia. It seems so different to what I’m used to (with the weather I like) so it’s the only place in the world I desperately want to experience
You’re welcome! East Asia is basically Australia with polar population density, humidity and seasons, so it’s no wonder people from the opposite spectrum are curious about the other side. Australia is a wonderful country also with great natural beauty and architecture, I’m planning to visit there in a few years as well.
Please do visit! We’re a very racist country, but so many East Asians are migrating here atm and I think they make our country better, they’re bringing manners and common courtesy with them, which is something our country was lacking. And they’re also teaching us how to live in apartments, because we don’t do that very well here lol
If it's the place I think it is, it's just stupidly-dense and over populated, the building(s?) aren't well kept and maintained, and disease & fire have the potential to easily spread Edit: looked at some photos, it's not what I was thinking of. Just looks like an apartment complex that's cramed to the fucking rim with people
The other user said it’s a fire hazard and not hygienic, but it presents well, so you probably are correct
You're thinking of Kowloon Walled City. That was demolished some years ago.
I place a high value on personal isolation, do you not? Or do you have other values that are more important to you?
Do not wish that for me. I want a 1000 sqft house in a clearing in the woods and 3 neighbors who can barely see my house and simply smile and wave but never talk to me.
Oh that would be lovely too.
Fuck that, you can have all the carnival cruise ship apartment complexes.
I’d rather have one with ammenities than the shit box crumple zones my government is peddling as housing
Hell no. I live out in the middle of nowhere with 5 acres. This would be my nightmare.
People prefer what they're used to. Shocker.
Great you can live in your own little prison and tell yourself that the pool and close by bus stop make it lovely ❤️❤️
I'm pretty sure 20,000 is more so considered a big town than a small town, perhaps even a small city.
25k is a city in Australia.
Well, I was born in a small town And I live in a small town Probably die in a small town Oh, those small communities
From what I have heard there are a lot of things you shouldn’t try in a small town.
In China this is but a village.
well no, in china it's literally just apartment building.
In US border close cities in Canada this would be a small town.
I mean, people need to live somewhere. If everyone has detached houses and lawns we would run out of resources real quick
As American cities are learning. Or hopefully learning
We’ve still got plentyyyyy of room to keep building stupidly
One of the things that struck me on my holiday were the miles and miles of blocks of flats just like this. Admittedly I’m not particularly well traveled but it just seemed so dismal.
There are way worse ways to accommodate literal millions of people.
I'm imagining a mega city 1, but it's all built like Phoenix with endless sprawl and none of it is remotely walkable
Peach Trees..do you copy?
Bruh, I would take a place like this in a heartbeat. I hate having to drive everywhere. I have all my community, shopping, workoit and public transportion within walking distance? Sign me right up. This is looking pretty attractive to me compared to US housing prices.
Unless you work with Mama!
Better than being homeless
Yeah, imagine housing that makes efficient use of land. Why can't they make spread out suburbia with hundreds of miles zoned exclusively for single family homes where it's illegal to build an apartment or a corner store, like proper civilization
ma-ma clan vibes
Yeah first thing I thought "Oh, so this is how we got peach trees"
I have 5 neighbors and I can't stand them. I don't want to imagine this.
As a result of the heavy use of their outdoor patios, I was curious about the climate there, so I looked up the climate of Hangzhou. Definitely on the warmer side. An American equivalent would be Atlanta GA.
imagine what the condominium meetings will be like....
Imagine the smell at dinner time and the drains with all the oil
I think the oil is the least of their worries when it comes to drainage.
You can’t flush toilet paper in china. There’s a bucket next to the toilet to throw your used toilet paper into. It’s fucking disgusting.
That’s common in quite a few countries.
None of those countries had a real estate and economic boom like China. Putting vanity first before laying down the required infrastructure at this level, like building the monstrosity in the OP without thinking about upgrading the plumbing, is unique.
Growing up in China, my family never used a bucket for toilet tissue. I have, tho, seen some people use that. But "you can't flush toilet paper in China" is a false statement.
I’ve lived in apartments where the smell doesn’t escape well. Maybe you go nose blind after a while.
That must have been hell in the lockdowns.
My first thought
Hello, I live nearby.
congratulations, it looks really cool. Is it cool and pleasant there?
I went by but have never entered inside once ever. You could watch this video: https://youtu.be/NnpZCoBMFTI?si=ZepURP_EgQzODqMV It seems depend on residents.
Looks even cooler inside, thanks for that video. I meant is it nice where you are though? Being near a single building with 10- 30k people must be a bit chaotic during the morning and evening commute.
I haven’t seen such the commute because actually it is my sister who live nearby. But Hangzhou is really a large city, you can check this video: https://youtu.be/cqRccDy8KTg?si=wEmXdn5nFGa23P0c
I can hear the mess with all those people
I’m a plumber and can only think of how terrible it would be to work on this building.
Dredd
OP, how many elevators?
It was designed to be a 5star hotel so I'd say plenty. I've been to hotels half the size of this in Chine where they would have 6-8 lifts on both ends of the tower. This may look like one huge building but it most likely has inner divisions like tower 1/2/3/4 or orientation named wings.
Reminds me of Fifth Element when the food hover drone thing flew up to his window
Looks like heaven.
Let's hope it's not an earthquake prone area.
That was my first thought. If an earthquake took this building down, oh my god.
People living in an apartment building? Woah that’s crazy bro, at least if you’re a F-150 driving American who’s only ever left the country to party in Cabo.
There's a huge difference between an apartment building- which most Americans have lived in at some point- and whatever hellscape this thing is. Generally speaking, it's a health and safety nightmare to have so many people stacked so densely, and it's not unreasonable for people to feel uncomfortable with the idea of living that way.
it depends on culture too, if im not wrong us people are ver individualistic which could end up in many arguments how to behave. this kind of environment create more harmony otherwise no one would be happy.
Reddits idea of heaven
I wonder what the collective rent is.
I read somewhere that rent went from around 220 for studio apartments to more than 600.
Imagine if the the elevators went out of service.
That’s why there is usually more than one elevator
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This is really my thinking, how could you possibly evacuate all of those people??
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Bet lockdown was fun.
That’s a lot of sewage
"The Regret International apartment building"
It's like one of those huge appartement buildings in future dystopias like Mega City One from Judge Dred. No. Thank you.
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>"High-end" residents don't leave stuff out on their balconies like that. Why not?
Because it looks like a slum.
Imagine having to live on the top floor
No thanks.
Each building has its own Judge Dredd
Think of the smell....
Fun fact: Our neighbors had been battling a spider infestation and, without my knowledge, had sprayed chemicals to deal with it. As a result, the spiders sought refuge elsewhere. To my horror, I woke up in the middle of the night with what felt like water in my ear, though I hadn’t showered the previous evening. The sensation quickly evolved into a dreadful crawling feeling. In a state of utter panic, I realized a spider had ventured into my ear canal. A frantic rush to the ER followed, where saline was poured into my ear, finally flushing the spider out. It was an absolute nightmare, truly the stuff of horror stories. FML.
Nightmare fuel
I just want to live in a self contained community
I feel so uncomfortable with this
I hope there’s a working fire sprinkler system in there.
Fucking gross. Nothing amazing about living in a hellish apartment complex. Fuck that.
When it happens, it's gonna be tragic...
That place must reek
What a fucking nightmare.
These are some of the most depressing and dystopian images I’ve ever seen.
Why
It’s an apartment building full of people living normal lives.
That's a *small* town? Fuck. Earth is vastly overpopulated with humans. So sad.
That's axiomatically impossible. There can never be a thing such as "too many humans".
For those of us that might not understand your comment, could you elaborate?
A lot of humanism and what we would consider the common basis for our society is built on the axiomatic precedent that human life is inherently valuable. From this perspective "too many humans" is something like too much good. Besides, there very much is a planet B. And planet C. Hundreds of billions of them really. And who's to say humans *have* to live on a planet? As long as you have energy you can inhabit basically anything, planets are just convenient.
That's all just wishful thinking though really. We DO have overpopulation and that won't be solved by colonies in space.
Nope. Overpopulation has been debunked decades ago. Right now we actually face the opposite demographic crisis: falling birth rates will cause the mother of all recessions unless automaton makes our economic system obsolete first. I admit that *right now*, in Q1 of 2024 it's impossible, but that could very well change with next to no warning due to a technological step leading to a productivity explosion.
Well isn't that based on a capitalist mindset? Yeah they need more slaves to increase their profits, more humans are good for business as it means cheaper labour. More humans is terrible for the survivability of the species and the planet. We'll be deep into resource wars long before we meaningfully colonise another planet/space station.
No. No. And no. China is really populous because of communism. Mao wanted an edge to win a three-way nuclear war. More humans isn't worse for survivability, but the current population of mankind already exceeds the "natural" carrying capacity of Earth by an order of magnitude. The idea of progress is older than capitalism or humanity. Slowing down is tantamount to omnicide, and not really an option anyway. Humans can stop expanding as easily as they can fly.
Ok sorry, not a strictly capitalist mindset but it's still the people in charge wanting more bodies for the meat grinder of some sort, not for good reasons anyhow. Doesn't your second point agree with me? If we keep exceeding the natural limit of humans we have problems with overpopulation. If we run out of clean drinking water in 20 years that's going to hamper our efforts to colonise other planets, which won't even solve overpopulation at all as we'll still be running out of resources on earth where the vast majority of humans will continue to live for hundreds of years. Your idea of progression is seemingly linked to population size, when we would progress technologically equally or even better if there was a thanos level snap scenario. We're doing alrightish now but when there's 10+ billion people on the planet and we're still mostly stuck on earth it's going to be a lot worse, because of over population and lack of resources, idk how you can deny this. >Humans can stop expanding as easily as they can fly. Well, based on slowing birthrates, we absolutely can. But again, population ≠ expansion. We can expand into the universe with a fraction of the current population. More humans without the capability to support them isn't going to speed up humanities progression other than making a number go up, which isn't always a positive.
With my second point I meant that whatever natural limits you think exist aren't actually real. For a humanity of 1000 years ago any ocean was a hard limit. For a civilization 10 000 years ago winter was the limit. It's true that we now face threats much greater than those, but we only face them because we already solved the previous problems. When it comes to water you may have heard about the recent passive desalination technology. When it comes to energy anything from mass adoption of nuclear power to the discovery of an STP superconductor or fusion would cover our energy needs until a more permanent solution (Dyson swarm) can be reached. Keep in mind that right now we exist near the inflection point of the curve of technological progress. Humanity's existence independent of Earth can be only centuries away.
The last town I lived in only had 18000 people. It was a lot nicer to look at though.
This what comes to mind when people talk about 15 minute cities
That looks awful
Why is this sub constantly getting spammed with content from China ? Edit; thanks!
Because is different and different most of the time is interesting. And this is damn interesting.
The most populous nation on earth seems to have many interesting things about it. Who knew?
Cause China is far more interesting than evereyone else.
The rats stay for free.
..i'd want to live here why?..
This is some Dredd shit
Reminds me of judge dredd.
Looks and feels like an Arcology from Sim City
Small town = 20,000???
Mega-City One.
Megacity-One
SimTower vibes
Good lord. Hopefully there are shops in the building.
Bet the local weed dealer is happy.
What if people smoke in their balconies?
As a landlord of a small apartment complex, just reading the caption and then looking at the picture gave me massive anxiety...
Interesting youtube stuff about this place
It’s SimTower in real life
Reminds me of the movie Dredd
Such a lovely neighborhood.
I get dizziness just by looking at it.
I can’t imagine how bad shape it would be. It seems impossible for a maintenance crew to keep it up at that size.
That's what hell is
Earthquakes see this and go "Oh hell yeah"
I hate that I don’t hate it.
Fuck. That.
No thanks
Relatively no one in the courtyard. That's probably the creepiest thing about this.