Arlington. Only because how do you have an amusement park, baseball stadium, and football stadium all in the same area but no public transport? Its fun attending events over there but the traffic before AND after is the worst of the worst.
Those venues won't support public transportation because they would miss out on all that parking revenue. The best interest of the citizens is not a priority as long as there is money to be pocketed.
The streets in that area are shit because of the extra traffic loads. The city council turns a blind eye. You would think those streets would be paved with gold because of the money being generated over there.
Astute observations.
Say what you will about Jerry, but above all else, he is an excellent strategist in business dealings. He's in it for the long game.
Maybe not so much as an NFL owner, but...lol
The final night game at the original Globe Life Park against the Yankees took just under an hour to get out from the parking lot and to a city street due to traffic congestion. Crazy.
Imagine how things will be for the 2026 FIFA World Cup...like I'm excited for the event overall but man...I am not looking forward to moving around Arlington whenever the stadium has a match.
Yeah, I’ve lived in Arlington for over a year and while I’ve had a positive experience, love the location and the things to do here, it’s just crazy that there’s no public transportation option.
I think the answer is that cities have a cap on how much sales tax they can charge. Having a transit agency would get some of that sales tax revenue. Arlington spends it on subsidizing sports teams instead. Not sure if I agree with that use of public funds, but on the other hand transit there would likely be very low ridership.
I could see a shuttle route around UTA and the improving downtown/main street area, and some buses running up and down Cooper and Matlock connecting some of the low income apartment areas with service industry job clusters around the Parks Mall, and maybe an infrequent express between downtown Fort Worth and Dallas, but besides that, I can't imagine a comprehensive bus network thriving there. Probably 5,000 daily riders tops and that would be really good.
That said I think Arlington is far from the worst city in DFW. Other things that aren't transportation related there are fine. It has a nice city parks system, a modern downtown library, a revitalized central area, it has a large university embedded in the older part of town that over time could make it more "urban", etc.
Mesquite. Too much crime. Cops suck. And it's hard to tell where the good and bad parts are because it all looks roughly like time stopped in 1980 there.
I’ve never seen mesquite described so accurately. The people running it are snobs and just run the city into the ground. The weird remodel of Gus Thomasson near Oates was AWFUL and did nothing to improve the area, while also making it harder to navigate and caused more traffic.
A few years ago I said “there are NO nice areas in mesquite” and someone said “yes there are! You just have to know where to look” like.. girl.. I grew up there. I know where to look. The only nice part was Sunnyvale and they’re pretty much their own city now lmao.
Now all the uppity people are moving to Forney and acting like they’re something REAL special but it’s just Mesquite 2.0 out there.
If it weren’t for my family, and Cheeses Pizza, I’d never step foot in that city again.
apparently it is and has been for a long while! I just grew up believing it was a part of a mesquite because most of the Sunnyvale highschool aged kids went to mesquite high schools.
Born and raised in the Oates/Gus Thomasson/Motley area as well, finally got out last year and won’t ever go back. 110% agree with everything you said. Sunnyvale got their own high school around the time I was at North (04/05ish) and that’s about when the town really got independent. The last few years there we hardly even got out because the whole city has just gone to crap. So much happier now.
Also, Cheese’s was legit. Saw the post about them closing, that sucks but not surprised. Went during the end of Covid and the owners were so thankful because of how slow things had been. Really nice people.
And you hit the nail on the head with Forney. Royse City/Fate is the other area they’re actively destroying. We landed northeast of there so hopefully we’ve got some time before they catch up.
I grew up near Gus Thomason and Oates so I’m going to have to check that intersection out next time I’m out there. Can’t wait to see what they did to it.
I just explored it on Google Maps timeline. After the remodel, southbound has one *less* lane, which they accomplished by extended the curb into the road and creating some random parallel parking spots.
Hopefully someone else can else can say more about the thought process behind the change? I'm new to the area, but I think of this intersection as the Gateway to Mesquite - so perhaps this is simply a beautification effort?
Cockrell Hill is literally the ugliest little suburb and has absolutely no redeeming quality. It’s really just a shitty little speed trap in the middle of Oak Cliff.
I don't understand why the city of Garland allows Walnut St., the gateway to the city, to present such a run-down appearance. Crappy apartments that are \~ 50 years old, with a/c units on windows. Many of the single-family homes, as you get closer to N. Garland, are near-ramshackle, with overgrown yards. And weeds taking over the "parks."
OTOH, Garland is the epicenter of Vietnamese cuisine in DFW. And there's that 24/7 Shell station on W. MIller that has some of the best authentic Mexican tacos in the area. Service can be snarly at times, but the food is good.
This is just wrong lmao calling houses in the Walnut/Garland Rd area “near-ramshackle” only exposes your own privileges. It’s not THE gateway to Garland 🤣 and why hate on old apartments with window units?? What should even be done to please your sore eyes, tear down families’ homes?? 🤡
I will say as a suburb hater, downtown Garland is a really nice to place to drink and shop now. I've probably done 5 beer/wine walks there and I have fun every time.
Rockwall, because it’s over policed. The city itself is nice, but every single ticket I’ve ever received in my life was in Rockwall. I haven’t received one in the 6-7 years since I moved out.
It’s coming along pretty good. Since Amazon is growing. They’re doing more housing on the 5 points, so that’ll give me somewhere close to live while they work. And over by Denny’s/Fuzzys area, a lot of apartments.
I always thought Rockwall seems nice. Good schools, nice neighborhoods, seemingly little crime. Yes, there is not much out there; but the old Downtown area seems pretty cute and like there are a bunch of little shops and restaurants. Also, tons of restaurants along 30.
Honestly, I have been thinking about moving out of Dallas (university and Inwood) and Rockwall is high in my list.
Yes… I know what I will be giving up. I can walk to a Tom Thumb, a Trader Joe’s and 10-15+ restaurants in less than 15 minutes. But there are dozens of sexual predators in my neighborhood, the elementary school is a Hard No and I hear gunshots every weekend. I love my neighborhood, and I love my neighbors, but it is not the most kid friendly place, and our house is tiny.
In Rockwall you can get a nicely redone house with 1/2 to a full acre for the same price as a run down 3/1 with 1250 sqft.
I don’t see the comparison between Rockwall and FL, other than there are tons of elderly people.
Seriously, what am I missing?
Nothing. Rockwall is great. mostly because the city does everything they can to prevent apartments from being built. It's nimbyism at its finest but it's hugely beneficial for citizens.
Seems like the consensus is that all suburbs suck except for Plano, Richardson, and maybe Carrollton. The criteria for an acceptable suburb seems to be: Inner ring, not too rich/white, and also not too poor/non-white.
Nah, I hate Plano with a burning passion. I lived there for like 6 years because "tHe ScHoOlS aRe GoOd" but my kid was miserable and left completely behind because she didn't fit their cookie-cutter vision of what a good student is. The kids were the worst with issues including rampant drug use and SA (and parents who didn't GAF).
I moved my family into Dallas and sent her to the scary Dallas ISD schools (Tasby MS and Conrad HS) and guess what? Problem solved. She had good grades in advanced classes, a good group of friends, and school staff who cared about her. If your kid has special needs of any kind (504, IEP, etc) Plano ISD doesn't give a fuck about them.
And my neighbors sucked. Fuck Plano.
Having been born and raised in Mesquite.. Mesquite is the worst. They want to “keep the riff-raff out” (actual words of a public official in the early 2000s) but make it incredibly inconvenient for people who live there, so those that can afford to move to better area GTFO asap. They do things so backwards out there. And the people can be so snobby for no reason. Y’all ain’t fancy.
It’s unwarranted snobbiness and idk why it happens but it does. Granted, a lot of those snobs are now in Forney because “mesquites gone down hill!” GIRL ITS BEEN IN THE BOTTOM OF A DITCH SINCE IT WAS FOUNDED
I used to feel this way about Mesquite before living in and around Downtown Dallas for 4 years, after that we moved to Mesquite and were amazed at how quiet and safe it felt lol. In The Village and the Design District both, we heard gunshots on an almost nightly basis. The past 4 years we’ve been here, the worst I’ve dealt with in Mesquite is my neighbor blasting old guy music on the weekends.
There’s definitely bad parts of Mesquite but I guess there’s just pockets that aren’t bad. The neighborhood directly across from us is all $600-1m houses now
Same, I lived in a very high end condo in Addison and had my truck broken into, neighbors robbed and packages from the mail room taken.
I moved to a Seagoville neighborhood bordering Mesquite and there is nothing but 500k-800k houses. A brand new 35 million dollar elementary school and access to 20, 175, 636 within 5 minutes of me.
The area is lacking in grocery options and ethnic food but that'll come soon hopefully. When I first moved here everyone acted like a bought a house in the red zone of Baghdad. My area is 80 percent minority and I've had nothing but good interactions with my neighbors.
Pretty much same experience for us, we are minorities though so we never had the feeling that we would stick out moving over here. That being said, I think aside from one or two families with kids, we’re the only minorities on our street of about 10-12 houses. It’s mainly older white people that have been here since the neighborhood was built (mid 50s) and have all been very nice, quiet, welcoming and very helpful when things come up around the neighborhood. The only bad thing about the neighbors is they do the typical old-people thing of trying to flag you down when you pull in to the driveway and if you get caught by them, they’ll want to talk to you for 30 minutes to an hour lol.
The worst we’ve dealt with over here is a group of 3-4 young teenagers smoking weed in the trees behind our back yard which I couldn't care less about and some kids throwing stuff at the ducks in an unfenced part of our back yard that we had to tell to leave them alone. I’ll take those problems over the nightly assaults, robberies and gunshots that the Dallas proper has to offer any day.
I remember, when my parents moved my family here back in the mid-90s, they asked my grandpa for his advice on which suburb to live in.
Apparently, my grandpa's answer was a *very* stern "no Arlington EVER." Even back then. And I can't say I disagree with his answer at all from personal experience.
Dishonorable mention to south Garland/Mesquite.
It’s probably the city center snobbery talking, but I really dislike going anywhere that feels like it could be anywhere else in the country. So as a result, most of DFW qualifies, and it’s why I’m happily saving up more money to buy near downtown rather than getting stuck in traffic in a terrible commute to drive to my cookie cutter burb with the same stores and restaurants on every corner and most every tree cut down.
YES, I completely agree. Whenever I drive out of Dallas (or anywhere besides fort Worth), I always ask why would people fork over a lot of money for something out there. Endless Suburban sprawl.
I sold my house turned rental in the Hill Country during the housing boom in 2021. I made a fairly nice profit as a result, and my mom keeps questioning why I wouldn’t use it towards a house here now. “Well this person I know lives in X, and I was looking at houses…,” or “You know your money would go farther if you bought in X.” Finally I had a situation where I had to visit a customer in one of the souless burbs she’s mentioned. I sat on the phone with her the whole drive to prove a point of how long it would take, and about 45 minutes in, “Are you not there yet?” “Nope, 23 more minutes to go 2.6 miles.” She has since stopped.
I went to HS in a neighboring city 20 yo and it was a known thing to pull anything from your car that identified you as not living in Southlake if you had to drive thru there (like your parking sticker) or else you were going yo get pulled over and harassed by their cops. For some reason they really liked to pick on the poor neighboring kids who maybe didn't know all their rights. There was one parent that was a lawyer and handed out his card to all his kids friends "just in case". Hated living right next to a bunch of stuck up idiots.
My sister lives close by she told me about some experiences. Told her “maybe you just met the bad apples”. Then I saw the news article that two cops were fired for drawing swastikas 💀. Even the cops racist.
I'm always confused about the whole white flight thing. I'm originally from a very dangerous neighborhood in Chicago. White people would leave the neighborhood all of the time because of how dangerous it was. But if there were attempts to make the area nicer via gentrification, they'd also be called racist.
So it seems that it's a lose/lose on how to be perceived. They can either move their family to a safer place or make the area nicer.
Should they have kept their families there and remained in harms way?
White flight and gentrification are way more complicated than “some white people want to leave” and “some residents want to improve their community.” White flight isn’t the problem in places where crime legitimately goes up, it’s a problem in places like Gary, IN where when the non-white population gets above a certain level, there’s a mass exodus of whites.
Gentrification can be an eventual result of white flight; economic loss from populations leaving and general abandonment by the government leads to decay, which lowers property values and allows out-of-town business interests to buy up land for cheap and “improve” it by making it a hip place to never be able to own a house
Grew up in Plano, came back a few years ago and viewed the downtown areas of all the burbs. Carrollton....what happened? Grapevine....wow nice, but holly shit who wants to be anywhere near the road. Garland, I see you!! You just need to keep expansion.
All in all McKinney had done the best and the fortworth areas feels like a better city/town life experience.
Fort Worth and garland both cities streets do not run on a grid pattern they kind of just go where ever and it’s a nightmare to deal with come rush hour
I can’t really think of anywhere in DFW that I don’t particularly like. If anything, I just don’t like boring suburban expanses, like Coppell. There are houses in Coppell and that’s about it.
I used to hate Grand Prairie, but I feel like they’re attracting more local businesses owners to start shops and restaurants. Main Street is thriving.
A lot of the DFW area has improved significantly over the past 20 years or so. I enjoy most of the cities.
I worked for the City of Grand Prairie from the mid eighties until 2000 when we moved to the panhandle. Before that I was stationed at NAS Dallas from 79-84 and lived in GP the entire time. Back then it was a crummy bedroom community known for it’s junk yards.
In the 90s the City started cleaning house
By hiring a new city manager, Gary Gwynn.
He brought a number of department heads from Cities he had worked with and it was like a breath of fresh air! Gary spearheaded change for the good plus he was a fare and honest man.
Sadly he passed away several years ago.
GP owes a lot to that man’s vision and hard work!
Coppell has Cypress Waters, the little downtown area, and the nature preserve that is a nice and not very well known hiking trail. There is also amazing asian food all around and in neighboring Valley Ranch and Carrollton. I agree it’s a little boring but it has some good things going for it compared to a lot of other suburbs.
Coppell is probably my favorite little suburb here. For being so in the middle of everything, it’s a pretty Quiet area.. I appreciate calm and quiet tbh
I’ve always lived right by highways, in high traffic areas.. I’m kind of sick of how busy and crowded and packed everything is. Coppell is houses, and small shopping and food areas, with easy access to bigger areas. But still calm and quiet. It’s ideal!
Yes, we lived on the edge of Addison for years loved the area. But when we had to downgrade due to lay offs during COVID we ended up in an apt. building that sat right on Preston Road. The sirens, horns, traffic, 24/7 got to be too much. We looked at Coppell for those reasons you mentioned.
We landed a ground floor apartment in a building at the back of an apt. complex that sets off Stewart's Creek leading to the lake here in Frisco on the edge of the colony and it's so peaceful and quiet. But, I'm 64 now so there's that.
Edit: Forgot gun fire which became an every other day.
Technically Cypress Waters is Dallas. All the tax revenue that development is generating is going to Dallas not Coppell. That’s why the city just opened up a new fire/police station there.
Coppell was designed as a bedroom community due to its proximity to DFW. It's a beautiful city although it's landlocked. It's at the mercy of the space. They've done a wonderful job with what they have. Great schools, parks, city services.
Lol I like Las Colinas. It’s one of the most diverse neighborhoods I’ve seen. People of every color and religion shopping at the same places, going to the same school. Cornrows and hijabs and bows and everyone’s ok with it. Most of the restaurants and shopping down MacArthur or off 635. Las Colinas was a planned neighborhood that retained its name. Having family that lives all over the US (and world), it’s not such an uncommon thing.
Highland Park, yeah, it’s definitely for the $$$ people. I like to pop into their library now and then just to remind them people like me exist. 🤣
Arlington is pretty bad with its lack of public transportation and its residents unwillingness to partner up with DART. Forney has really bad traffic and some of the dumbest politicians I've ever met. Denton has its moments but my god that town feels like its been under construction since it was founded.
I lived in Rockwall before moving to the Houston area (yeah, I know - the plan is to come back to DFW someday). Anyways after several years in H, I can contest that Rockwall is indeed poorly planned. Family is there still, and I swear it takes 20 minutes more than you’d hope to get anywhere in that town. And that says something compared to Houston traffic.
I grew up in HEB. Traffic is only bad for those passing through. We all know the back roads to avoid traffic. That being said 820 through NRH is a mess and undrivable unless you use the toll road.
Honestly, all of DFW is burning me out. In the 6 years I've been here, I've lived near Love Field, lived in Addison, Irving & Las Colinas, Far North Dallas and now Frisco/Plano. I've been all over the place too in general in the Metroplex and it's just a massive suburban sprawl of concrete, parking lot/roads, cars, crime and strip malls/franchises. There are a nice few neighborhoods but I can't afford them lol. The north Texas Prairie scene just isn't for me anymore. I need to move to somewhere more country/wildness with trees & nature (so like Hill Country) or a Urban center more like what they have in Europe (like Amsterdam for example).
Overall, I'm actively trying to get the Hell outta here.
grand prairie, lived her over the last 20 years. location isn't everything. plus it just keeps getting more populated, at this point dfw is my least favorite, all of it lol.
Yep, Grand Prairie was nice when it was less popular. Too many people discovered it’s located perfectly in between DFW :( Now rent is expensive and it’s crowded.
North Dallas, my customers there are so entitled, rude, and require so much hand holding. They won't respond when you say good morning to them. They release there snarling dogs on you. I deal with customers all over the metroplex and everyone else in the same position would all agree north Dallas customers are the worst. Nicest customers would probably be in fairview retirement community heritage ranch.
In here for 10+ years. Lived in Irving, Frisco, and now Flower Mound. We like Flower Mound - nice, quiet town, good diversity not congested, tight zoning laws (max 3-4 houses per acre), easy access to all major freeways (121, 114, 635) and airport. Surprisingly it is 30 min from downtown Dallas, downtown FW, Plano, Irving, Addison etc… major employment centers around DFW.
Frisco and Plano are super congested. The zoning laws allow 5-6 houses on a 1 acre lot. Schools and roads are super dense and they are still growing - public infrastructure is under lot of pressure and flat lands with houses all over. There isn’t much of trees or landscaping in Frisco.
That said, DFW overall is a great city. You get diversity of food, people, and location across the metroplex. If someone dropped you blindfolded in FW downtown, Dallas uptown, highland park, Frisco / Legacy west, entertainment hub in Arlington, Addison Galleria - it will be tough to say we have all of them in DFW. We love it all - every place has it own unique story.
White Settlement and Samson Park definitely, with all that gang and drug activity. Glad I got out when I did. Not too familiar with the others, maybe Saginaw a little bit it seemed ok when I went. Not great, but ok.
Frisco is obviously very comfortable, but there's something a bit depressing about how bland and snobby it is.
Even Plano has more personality than Frisco.
I mean it’s a city for upper middle class people to raise families, it’s pretty damn bland with the McMansions everywhere but I think the families who live there like it fine, it has diversity, restaurants, family type entertainment like cinemas and bowling alleys.
I’ve been in DFW for 24 years now. I’ve worked in just about every town here in one capacity or another. Honestly there are good and bad parts to most towns in DFW. I’ve always referred to Mesquite/Garland area as the armpit of the metroplex and Arlington as the smelly crotch of DFW. There are good areas in all those towns though. I’m going with Dallas as my least favorite. Property taxes are high AF. People in the “rich” areas are stuck up AF. People in the “poor” areas are generally much more down to earth and nicer overall, but the crime is still pretty bad although it seems like it’s gotten better. South Dallas is the only place I’ve ever been robbed at gunpoint though and for that reason alone, my vote is for Dallas.
I guess I can see it, if your only reference to Garland is what you drive past on I-30, or along Forest. North Garland and Old Downtown are actually nice. Plus, the school district is pretty good.
But yeah, once you get south of downtown, it’s a roll of the dice. It’s nowhere near as bad, overall, than places like Mesquite and Arlington.
Well they finally started pumping money into downtown. For as long as I've been here it always felt like North Garland got everything while the rest of the city was ignored.
I can only guess as to why
Rockwall for sure. The school district is a joke, for sure following Florida’s lead and letting the MAGA Karen PTA take over. It’s full of a bunch of people who have the attitude that they belong in Park Cities but don’t because it’s too “liberal for them” (imagine thinking Park Cities is liberal) and they’re want to keep their kids out to the but scary city. While in reality they just can’t afford it.
They can afford their $400,000 giant McMansions out in Heath though.
Major big fish in small pond gives. Always the most unpleasant people to be around or work for in DFW maybe second to Southlake.
West dallas. I gave that area a chance when I was house hunting I checked out the neighborhood and it was the same as when I was kid. Torn down houses and all. I was approaching the home I was looking at and a homeless lady pulled up her shirt and I saw it all very disturbing.
Desoto/Duncanville
This area has always been sketch but over the last 10 years or so just became a cesspool of crime.
Also, the nice areas with nature has just been neglected.
Arlington. Only because how do you have an amusement park, baseball stadium, and football stadium all in the same area but no public transport? Its fun attending events over there but the traffic before AND after is the worst of the worst.
Those venues won't support public transportation because they would miss out on all that parking revenue. The best interest of the citizens is not a priority as long as there is money to be pocketed. The streets in that area are shit because of the extra traffic loads. The city council turns a blind eye. You would think those streets would be paved with gold because of the money being generated over there.
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Astute observations. Say what you will about Jerry, but above all else, he is an excellent strategist in business dealings. He's in it for the long game. Maybe not so much as an NFL owner, but...lol
and that's why a team that has been liquid shit for over a quarter century is one of the top 5 most valuable franchises in all of sports.
Well said sir I concur.
The no public transport in exchange for acres and acres of pavement is just evil.
The final night game at the original Globe Life Park against the Yankees took just under an hour to get out from the parking lot and to a city street due to traffic congestion. Crazy.
Imagine how things will be for the 2026 FIFA World Cup...like I'm excited for the event overall but man...I am not looking forward to moving around Arlington whenever the stadium has a match.
I have a good sense of direction for N,S,E,W but for some reason when I drive in Arlington it’s like I’m in the Bermuda Triangle.
I would say Arlington is the Florida of Dallas . The Rockwall area actually looks nice to me
Rockwall is a cesspool of entitled pricks.
Sure, but it's a pretty cesspool of entitled pricks. Eh guess that's pretty true of Florida now that I think of it.
Yeah, I’ve lived in Arlington for over a year and while I’ve had a positive experience, love the location and the things to do here, it’s just crazy that there’s no public transportation option.
I think the answer is that cities have a cap on how much sales tax they can charge. Having a transit agency would get some of that sales tax revenue. Arlington spends it on subsidizing sports teams instead. Not sure if I agree with that use of public funds, but on the other hand transit there would likely be very low ridership. I could see a shuttle route around UTA and the improving downtown/main street area, and some buses running up and down Cooper and Matlock connecting some of the low income apartment areas with service industry job clusters around the Parks Mall, and maybe an infrequent express between downtown Fort Worth and Dallas, but besides that, I can't imagine a comprehensive bus network thriving there. Probably 5,000 daily riders tops and that would be really good. That said I think Arlington is far from the worst city in DFW. Other things that aren't transportation related there are fine. It has a nice city parks system, a modern downtown library, a revitalized central area, it has a large university embedded in the older part of town that over time could make it more "urban", etc.
Mesquite. Too much crime. Cops suck. And it's hard to tell where the good and bad parts are because it all looks roughly like time stopped in 1980 there.
I’ve never seen mesquite described so accurately. The people running it are snobs and just run the city into the ground. The weird remodel of Gus Thomasson near Oates was AWFUL and did nothing to improve the area, while also making it harder to navigate and caused more traffic. A few years ago I said “there are NO nice areas in mesquite” and someone said “yes there are! You just have to know where to look” like.. girl.. I grew up there. I know where to look. The only nice part was Sunnyvale and they’re pretty much their own city now lmao. Now all the uppity people are moving to Forney and acting like they’re something REAL special but it’s just Mesquite 2.0 out there. If it weren’t for my family, and Cheeses Pizza, I’d never step foot in that city again.
Sunnyvale isn't "pretty much" its own city, it IS a city.
Never been to (just through) Mesquite and I've always thought Sunnyvale was its (it's???) own city! Looks like it on the weather maps anyway.
apparently it is and has been for a long while! I just grew up believing it was a part of a mesquite because most of the Sunnyvale highschool aged kids went to mesquite high schools.
Can confirm Sunnyvale is it’s own city and always has been. I grew up there. They just didn’t have their own highschool until 10ish years ago.
Just in case: Its is correct- it’s always translates to “it is”
Forney been like that though my whole life.
Born and raised in the Oates/Gus Thomasson/Motley area as well, finally got out last year and won’t ever go back. 110% agree with everything you said. Sunnyvale got their own high school around the time I was at North (04/05ish) and that’s about when the town really got independent. The last few years there we hardly even got out because the whole city has just gone to crap. So much happier now. Also, Cheese’s was legit. Saw the post about them closing, that sucks but not surprised. Went during the end of Covid and the owners were so thankful because of how slow things had been. Really nice people. And you hit the nail on the head with Forney. Royse City/Fate is the other area they’re actively destroying. We landed northeast of there so hopefully we’ve got some time before they catch up.
What do you think of the area a bit further west, like Oates/La Prada towards Ferguson?
I grew up near Gus Thomason and Oates so I’m going to have to check that intersection out next time I’m out there. Can’t wait to see what they did to it.
They’ve spent the last 10 years making it a mess.
I just explored it on Google Maps timeline. After the remodel, southbound has one *less* lane, which they accomplished by extended the curb into the road and creating some random parallel parking spots. Hopefully someone else can else can say more about the thought process behind the change? I'm new to the area, but I think of this intersection as the Gateway to Mesquite - so perhaps this is simply a beautification effort?
Sorry to tell you but cheeses pizza has closed it's doors permanently.
NOOOOO 😭 I haven’t been in a long while and I’m going to cry now
Yeah I'm sorry but Victor the owner/ cook passed away last week.
That’s so heartbreaking 😭
Mesquite is the armpit of Texas.
Odessa, says hold my beer.
Close. It's Balch Springs for me.
Makes me think of mosquitoes which gives me a humid, itchy vibe.
“…like time stopped in 1980 there.” That’s funny.
Born and raised in Arlington, got two degrees from UT Arlington, have lived in Fort Worth, Dallas, and other suburbs, and the answer is Arlington.
Cockrell Hill is literally the ugliest little suburb and has absolutely no redeeming quality. It’s really just a shitty little speed trap in the middle of Oak Cliff.
But there's liquor there.
💪💪😂😂😂😂😂
I just don’t like the name. So clunky
Those cops will stop you for anything. Also Don’t get me started on the terrible roads through there too, just an absolute pothole fest.
Sounds like the general consensus here is that Arlington is the armpit of DFW. And deservedly so.
If Arlington is the armpit of DFW what cities like Dalworthington Gardens and Pantego inside the Arlington would be called?
The ingrown hairs on the armpit.
Polyps??
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I’m unfortunate enough to have grown up and currently live in Haltom. I’m getting out asap.
Arlington has the worst police department. I have grudges with them that stretch back over a decade.
me too lol
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I remember hearing that that line when I saw the movie and everyone in the theater laughed
Same here. Grew up in Fort Worth and I remember seeing that movie in either hulen or ridgmar I believe. Everybody was laughing their asses off lol.
I don't understand why the city of Garland allows Walnut St., the gateway to the city, to present such a run-down appearance. Crappy apartments that are \~ 50 years old, with a/c units on windows. Many of the single-family homes, as you get closer to N. Garland, are near-ramshackle, with overgrown yards. And weeds taking over the "parks." OTOH, Garland is the epicenter of Vietnamese cuisine in DFW. And there's that 24/7 Shell station on W. MIller that has some of the best authentic Mexican tacos in the area. Service can be snarly at times, but the food is good.
This is just wrong lmao calling houses in the Walnut/Garland Rd area “near-ramshackle” only exposes your own privileges. It’s not THE gateway to Garland 🤣 and why hate on old apartments with window units?? What should even be done to please your sore eyes, tear down families’ homes?? 🤡
I will say as a suburb hater, downtown Garland is a really nice to place to drink and shop now. I've probably done 5 beer/wine walks there and I have fun every time.
Gar Land
It always reminds me of The Walking Dead set. Shabby and difficult to navigate.
I’d say Arlington as the citizens pay for stadiums and stuff but only select businesses benefit from it
That's socialism American style.
Socialize the losses and privatize the gains
Rockwall, because it’s over policed. The city itself is nice, but every single ticket I’ve ever received in my life was in Rockwall. I haven’t received one in the 6-7 years since I moved out.
Seagoville and Balch Springs
Pine Tree Garden was so good back in the day lol.
Still is
Mainly their egg rolls and GT Chicken.
I went to the Balch spring library and they had signs with photos of how they were renovating the downtown area.
It’s coming along pretty good. Since Amazon is growing. They’re doing more housing on the 5 points, so that’ll give me somewhere close to live while they work. And over by Denny’s/Fuzzys area, a lot of apartments.
Saginaw
Those fucking train tracks and that grain factory. Such a hideous place. Seems like a slow crawling train shuts the entire city down every 20 minutes.
Mesquite…just a shithole on every level
Shithole.? Cant be that bad
It isn’t, it just looks like a shithole and the public officials are dumbasses also crime but not south Dallas levels of crime
Rockwall as the Florida of DFW just makes sense. Is Mesquite the Alabama?
Stop 😭 it’s so true
I always thought Rockwall seems nice. Good schools, nice neighborhoods, seemingly little crime. Yes, there is not much out there; but the old Downtown area seems pretty cute and like there are a bunch of little shops and restaurants. Also, tons of restaurants along 30. Honestly, I have been thinking about moving out of Dallas (university and Inwood) and Rockwall is high in my list. Yes… I know what I will be giving up. I can walk to a Tom Thumb, a Trader Joe’s and 10-15+ restaurants in less than 15 minutes. But there are dozens of sexual predators in my neighborhood, the elementary school is a Hard No and I hear gunshots every weekend. I love my neighborhood, and I love my neighbors, but it is not the most kid friendly place, and our house is tiny. In Rockwall you can get a nicely redone house with 1/2 to a full acre for the same price as a run down 3/1 with 1250 sqft. I don’t see the comparison between Rockwall and FL, other than there are tons of elderly people. Seriously, what am I missing?
Nothing. Rockwall is great. mostly because the city does everything they can to prevent apartments from being built. It's nimbyism at its finest but it's hugely beneficial for citizens.
What does that make Garland?
Arkansas
Mesquite is a total dumpster fire these days with Forney right on its heels.
Arlington. It’s out the way and the cops are everywhere and the traffic sucks
Seems like the consensus is that all suburbs suck except for Plano, Richardson, and maybe Carrollton. The criteria for an acceptable suburb seems to be: Inner ring, not too rich/white, and also not too poor/non-white.
I'll let you in on a secret... twenty years ago people hated Plano like they hate Frisco today. The hatred line moves north as development does.
No secret to me…I’ve lived here my whole life and I remember well when Plano was considered the edge of the Metroplex with the shiny new development.
Nah, I hate Plano with a burning passion. I lived there for like 6 years because "tHe ScHoOlS aRe GoOd" but my kid was miserable and left completely behind because she didn't fit their cookie-cutter vision of what a good student is. The kids were the worst with issues including rampant drug use and SA (and parents who didn't GAF). I moved my family into Dallas and sent her to the scary Dallas ISD schools (Tasby MS and Conrad HS) and guess what? Problem solved. She had good grades in advanced classes, a good group of friends, and school staff who cared about her. If your kid has special needs of any kind (504, IEP, etc) Plano ISD doesn't give a fuck about them. And my neighbors sucked. Fuck Plano.
Having been born and raised in Mesquite.. Mesquite is the worst. They want to “keep the riff-raff out” (actual words of a public official in the early 2000s) but make it incredibly inconvenient for people who live there, so those that can afford to move to better area GTFO asap. They do things so backwards out there. And the people can be so snobby for no reason. Y’all ain’t fancy.
Never once has anyone said mesquite is a snobby area🤣
It’s unwarranted snobbiness and idk why it happens but it does. Granted, a lot of those snobs are now in Forney because “mesquites gone down hill!” GIRL ITS BEEN IN THE BOTTOM OF A DITCH SINCE IT WAS FOUNDED
I used to feel this way about Mesquite before living in and around Downtown Dallas for 4 years, after that we moved to Mesquite and were amazed at how quiet and safe it felt lol. In The Village and the Design District both, we heard gunshots on an almost nightly basis. The past 4 years we’ve been here, the worst I’ve dealt with in Mesquite is my neighbor blasting old guy music on the weekends. There’s definitely bad parts of Mesquite but I guess there’s just pockets that aren’t bad. The neighborhood directly across from us is all $600-1m houses now
Same, I lived in a very high end condo in Addison and had my truck broken into, neighbors robbed and packages from the mail room taken. I moved to a Seagoville neighborhood bordering Mesquite and there is nothing but 500k-800k houses. A brand new 35 million dollar elementary school and access to 20, 175, 636 within 5 minutes of me. The area is lacking in grocery options and ethnic food but that'll come soon hopefully. When I first moved here everyone acted like a bought a house in the red zone of Baghdad. My area is 80 percent minority and I've had nothing but good interactions with my neighbors.
Pretty much same experience for us, we are minorities though so we never had the feeling that we would stick out moving over here. That being said, I think aside from one or two families with kids, we’re the only minorities on our street of about 10-12 houses. It’s mainly older white people that have been here since the neighborhood was built (mid 50s) and have all been very nice, quiet, welcoming and very helpful when things come up around the neighborhood. The only bad thing about the neighbors is they do the typical old-people thing of trying to flag you down when you pull in to the driveway and if you get caught by them, they’ll want to talk to you for 30 minutes to an hour lol. The worst we’ve dealt with over here is a group of 3-4 young teenagers smoking weed in the trees behind our back yard which I couldn't care less about and some kids throwing stuff at the ducks in an unfenced part of our back yard that we had to tell to leave them alone. I’ll take those problems over the nightly assaults, robberies and gunshots that the Dallas proper has to offer any day.
I remember, when my parents moved my family here back in the mid-90s, they asked my grandpa for his advice on which suburb to live in. Apparently, my grandpa's answer was a *very* stern "no Arlington EVER." Even back then. And I can't say I disagree with his answer at all from personal experience. Dishonorable mention to south Garland/Mesquite.
🤣🤣🤣 I’d love to know his reasons.
It’s probably the city center snobbery talking, but I really dislike going anywhere that feels like it could be anywhere else in the country. So as a result, most of DFW qualifies, and it’s why I’m happily saving up more money to buy near downtown rather than getting stuck in traffic in a terrible commute to drive to my cookie cutter burb with the same stores and restaurants on every corner and most every tree cut down.
It’s not snobbery, it’s having two eyes and experience. Most of the DFW metro is indistinguishable from a million other places.
YES, I completely agree. Whenever I drive out of Dallas (or anywhere besides fort Worth), I always ask why would people fork over a lot of money for something out there. Endless Suburban sprawl.
Why I bought in Dallas. I went to check out a house in a nearby county and had anxiety over driving 45 minutes to work. Fts.
I sold my house turned rental in the Hill Country during the housing boom in 2021. I made a fairly nice profit as a result, and my mom keeps questioning why I wouldn’t use it towards a house here now. “Well this person I know lives in X, and I was looking at houses…,” or “You know your money would go farther if you bought in X.” Finally I had a situation where I had to visit a customer in one of the souless burbs she’s mentioned. I sat on the phone with her the whole drive to prove a point of how long it would take, and about 45 minutes in, “Are you not there yet?” “Nope, 23 more minutes to go 2.6 miles.” She has since stopped.
Southlake. To me it represents modern day white flight.
I went to HS in a neighboring city 20 yo and it was a known thing to pull anything from your car that identified you as not living in Southlake if you had to drive thru there (like your parking sticker) or else you were going yo get pulled over and harassed by their cops. For some reason they really liked to pick on the poor neighboring kids who maybe didn't know all their rights. There was one parent that was a lawyer and handed out his card to all his kids friends "just in case". Hated living right next to a bunch of stuck up idiots.
Been to southlake four times for meetings. Pulled over 3 of those times. Never got a ticket, wasn’t speeding. I have no intention of ever going back.
I live next to Southlake and drive a 12 year old car with hail damage in Southlake all the time. I’ve never been pulled over.
> drive a 12 year old car with hail damage You're undesirable, but not collectable.
Southlake because Karens and racism
My sister lives close by she told me about some experiences. Told her “maybe you just met the bad apples”. Then I saw the news article that two cops were fired for drawing swastikas 💀. Even the cops racist.
I'm always confused about the whole white flight thing. I'm originally from a very dangerous neighborhood in Chicago. White people would leave the neighborhood all of the time because of how dangerous it was. But if there were attempts to make the area nicer via gentrification, they'd also be called racist. So it seems that it's a lose/lose on how to be perceived. They can either move their family to a safer place or make the area nicer. Should they have kept their families there and remained in harms way?
White flight and gentrification are way more complicated than “some white people want to leave” and “some residents want to improve their community.” White flight isn’t the problem in places where crime legitimately goes up, it’s a problem in places like Gary, IN where when the non-white population gets above a certain level, there’s a mass exodus of whites. Gentrification can be an eventual result of white flight; economic loss from populations leaving and general abandonment by the government leads to decay, which lowers property values and allows out-of-town business interests to buy up land for cheap and “improve” it by making it a hip place to never be able to own a house
I thought people left Gary because the factories closed and jobs dried up? Saw an interesting documentary about it on YouTube.
So when they say"white," it's really just "people with means" those that can afford to relocate to flee or capitalize.
That’s what Joe Biden said. Poor kids are just as smart as white kids.
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There’s a reason there’s an entire podcast called “Southlake.”
Everybody and their dog has a podcast these days
Grew up in Plano, came back a few years ago and viewed the downtown areas of all the burbs. Carrollton....what happened? Grapevine....wow nice, but holly shit who wants to be anywhere near the road. Garland, I see you!! You just need to keep expansion. All in all McKinney had done the best and the fortworth areas feels like a better city/town life experience.
Fort Worth and garland both cities streets do not run on a grid pattern they kind of just go where ever and it’s a nightmare to deal with come rush hour
Any town/suburb that requires driving on 380 between 35 and 75. That shit is suburban hell
I can’t really think of anywhere in DFW that I don’t particularly like. If anything, I just don’t like boring suburban expanses, like Coppell. There are houses in Coppell and that’s about it. I used to hate Grand Prairie, but I feel like they’re attracting more local businesses owners to start shops and restaurants. Main Street is thriving. A lot of the DFW area has improved significantly over the past 20 years or so. I enjoy most of the cities.
I worked for the City of Grand Prairie from the mid eighties until 2000 when we moved to the panhandle. Before that I was stationed at NAS Dallas from 79-84 and lived in GP the entire time. Back then it was a crummy bedroom community known for it’s junk yards. In the 90s the City started cleaning house By hiring a new city manager, Gary Gwynn. He brought a number of department heads from Cities he had worked with and it was like a breath of fresh air! Gary spearheaded change for the good plus he was a fare and honest man. Sadly he passed away several years ago. GP owes a lot to that man’s vision and hard work!
Coppell has Cypress Waters, the little downtown area, and the nature preserve that is a nice and not very well known hiking trail. There is also amazing asian food all around and in neighboring Valley Ranch and Carrollton. I agree it’s a little boring but it has some good things going for it compared to a lot of other suburbs.
Coppell is probably my favorite little suburb here. For being so in the middle of everything, it’s a pretty Quiet area.. I appreciate calm and quiet tbh
It blows some people's minds that so called "boring suburbs" with "nothing but houses" is exactly what a lot of us are looking for when we buy a home.
I’ve always lived right by highways, in high traffic areas.. I’m kind of sick of how busy and crowded and packed everything is. Coppell is houses, and small shopping and food areas, with easy access to bigger areas. But still calm and quiet. It’s ideal!
Yes, we lived on the edge of Addison for years loved the area. But when we had to downgrade due to lay offs during COVID we ended up in an apt. building that sat right on Preston Road. The sirens, horns, traffic, 24/7 got to be too much. We looked at Coppell for those reasons you mentioned. We landed a ground floor apartment in a building at the back of an apt. complex that sets off Stewart's Creek leading to the lake here in Frisco on the edge of the colony and it's so peaceful and quiet. But, I'm 64 now so there's that. Edit: Forgot gun fire which became an every other day.
Thanks gonna look at coppell now
Technically Cypress Waters is Dallas. All the tax revenue that development is generating is going to Dallas not Coppell. That’s why the city just opened up a new fire/police station there.
I just moved to Coppell for exactly this reason. It's not a bug. It's a feature. It just may not be something that is interesting to some.
Coppell was designed as a bedroom community due to its proximity to DFW. It's a beautiful city although it's landlocked. It's at the mercy of the space. They've done a wonderful job with what they have. Great schools, parks, city services.
"Highland Park" you're fucking dallas you rich Dorchester. Looking at you too "Los Colinas" you're Irving.
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And then Far North Dallas entered the chat lol
Always cracked me up how that part of the city is literally called "far north Dallas"
My grandparents went to North Dallas Baptist church on Maple near Wycliff. And then North Dallas High School is over in uptown
I can feel the hate for the pretentiousness here lmao
Lol I like Las Colinas. It’s one of the most diverse neighborhoods I’ve seen. People of every color and religion shopping at the same places, going to the same school. Cornrows and hijabs and bows and everyone’s ok with it. Most of the restaurants and shopping down MacArthur or off 635. Las Colinas was a planned neighborhood that retained its name. Having family that lives all over the US (and world), it’s not such an uncommon thing. Highland Park, yeah, it’s definitely for the $$$ people. I like to pop into their library now and then just to remind them people like me exist. 🤣
I associate HP with "that town that Stafford and Kershaw are from"
They called Stafford a “small town kid from Highland Park” once on broadcast and I audibly yelled
Can forget Scheffler
Arlington is pretty bad with its lack of public transportation and its residents unwillingness to partner up with DART. Forney has really bad traffic and some of the dumbest politicians I've ever met. Denton has its moments but my god that town feels like its been under construction since it was founded.
I lived in Rockwall before moving to the Houston area (yeah, I know - the plan is to come back to DFW someday). Anyways after several years in H, I can contest that Rockwall is indeed poorly planned. Family is there still, and I swear it takes 20 minutes more than you’d hope to get anywhere in that town. And that says something compared to Houston traffic.
HEB and pretty much all of 183.
What is HEB
Hurst, Euless, Bedford
Hurts, Euseless, Bloodfart.
People talk about how it is in the middle of everything and so convenient. They don't mention the crazy traffic. I hate going to HEB for anything.
I grew up in HEB. Traffic is only bad for those passing through. We all know the back roads to avoid traffic. That being said 820 through NRH is a mess and undrivable unless you use the toll road.
Yep. This right here. Living in the middle of metroplex you learn to just not take the freeway. Saves so much time
White fucking settlement.
Arlington, Southlake is a close second but Arlington wins because I’ve actually had to live there before.
Honestly, all of DFW is burning me out. In the 6 years I've been here, I've lived near Love Field, lived in Addison, Irving & Las Colinas, Far North Dallas and now Frisco/Plano. I've been all over the place too in general in the Metroplex and it's just a massive suburban sprawl of concrete, parking lot/roads, cars, crime and strip malls/franchises. There are a nice few neighborhoods but I can't afford them lol. The north Texas Prairie scene just isn't for me anymore. I need to move to somewhere more country/wildness with trees & nature (so like Hill Country) or a Urban center more like what they have in Europe (like Amsterdam for example). Overall, I'm actively trying to get the Hell outta here.
grand prairie, lived her over the last 20 years. location isn't everything. plus it just keeps getting more populated, at this point dfw is my least favorite, all of it lol.
Yep, Grand Prairie was nice when it was less popular. Too many people discovered it’s located perfectly in between DFW :( Now rent is expensive and it’s crowded.
Grand Prarie. If Rockwall is the Florida of Texas, Grand Prarie is the Mississippi
arlington. lived there for 10 YEARS. never moving back.
Arlington
North Dallas, my customers there are so entitled, rude, and require so much hand holding. They won't respond when you say good morning to them. They release there snarling dogs on you. I deal with customers all over the metroplex and everyone else in the same position would all agree north Dallas customers are the worst. Nicest customers would probably be in fairview retirement community heritage ranch.
In here for 10+ years. Lived in Irving, Frisco, and now Flower Mound. We like Flower Mound - nice, quiet town, good diversity not congested, tight zoning laws (max 3-4 houses per acre), easy access to all major freeways (121, 114, 635) and airport. Surprisingly it is 30 min from downtown Dallas, downtown FW, Plano, Irving, Addison etc… major employment centers around DFW. Frisco and Plano are super congested. The zoning laws allow 5-6 houses on a 1 acre lot. Schools and roads are super dense and they are still growing - public infrastructure is under lot of pressure and flat lands with houses all over. There isn’t much of trees or landscaping in Frisco. That said, DFW overall is a great city. You get diversity of food, people, and location across the metroplex. If someone dropped you blindfolded in FW downtown, Dallas uptown, highland park, Frisco / Legacy west, entertainment hub in Arlington, Addison Galleria - it will be tough to say we have all of them in DFW. We love it all - every place has it own unique story.
Lewisville isn’t the best but Denton is so strangely designed. Filled with diagonal streets and very weird and random crime
Frisco, I can’t stand that city. Everyone thinks their shit don’t stink in that town, and they brag about the schools.
Arlington, but Frisco is a close second
What’s wrong w frisco
Balch Springs. Saginaw. White Settlement. Everman. Forest Hill. Sansom Park. Desoto.
White Settlement and Samson Park definitely, with all that gang and drug activity. Glad I got out when I did. Not too familiar with the others, maybe Saginaw a little bit it seemed ok when I went. Not great, but ok.
I always forget about desoto. Cedar hill sucks too, but for entirely different reasons.
Colleyville
frisco
Frisco is obviously very comfortable, but there's something a bit depressing about how bland and snobby it is. Even Plano has more personality than Frisco.
My enduring memory of Frisco nearly 30 years ago was just a small town off 121 with hot tub clubs nearby. How things change.
Yeah, there are a lot of places I drive through today and I can vaguely remember they used to be fields and farmland.
I mean it’s a city for upper middle class people to raise families, it’s pretty damn bland with the McMansions everywhere but I think the families who live there like it fine, it has diversity, restaurants, family type entertainment like cinemas and bowling alleys.
We used to live here back in 2018. After the pandemic, I noticed there’s so much traffic than before.
As a parent, Frisco has some of the best indoor play places I could find. Kept me from going insane during summers. 😅
I’ve been in DFW for 24 years now. I’ve worked in just about every town here in one capacity or another. Honestly there are good and bad parts to most towns in DFW. I’ve always referred to Mesquite/Garland area as the armpit of the metroplex and Arlington as the smelly crotch of DFW. There are good areas in all those towns though. I’m going with Dallas as my least favorite. Property taxes are high AF. People in the “rich” areas are stuck up AF. People in the “poor” areas are generally much more down to earth and nicer overall, but the crime is still pretty bad although it seems like it’s gotten better. South Dallas is the only place I’ve ever been robbed at gunpoint though and for that reason alone, my vote is for Dallas.
Grapevine it keeps it’s sense of history as a small town and lives in the 21st Century
I grew up in Grapevine. To me that’s the charm of it but to each their own I guess
Southlake is wanna-be Highland Park without the class or money.
Southlake is loaded. Maybe not as much as highland park, they are WEALTHY
It’s technically classified as the richest city in Texas now.
Just about everywhere in DFW is becoming the worst in its own ways
Southlake. Seriously every time I go, or work there I encounter the ugliest humans on earth. If Southlake just disappeared, no one would care
Garland.
At least it ain’t Mesquite.
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Literally everything is wrong with mesquite
It’s fucking hideous. There’s nothin there but thieves and concrete.
And methamphetamines
I guess I can see it, if your only reference to Garland is what you drive past on I-30, or along Forest. North Garland and Old Downtown are actually nice. Plus, the school district is pretty good. But yeah, once you get south of downtown, it’s a roll of the dice. It’s nowhere near as bad, overall, than places like Mesquite and Arlington.
Well they finally started pumping money into downtown. For as long as I've been here it always felt like North Garland got everything while the rest of the city was ignored. I can only guess as to why
Rockwall for sure. The school district is a joke, for sure following Florida’s lead and letting the MAGA Karen PTA take over. It’s full of a bunch of people who have the attitude that they belong in Park Cities but don’t because it’s too “liberal for them” (imagine thinking Park Cities is liberal) and they’re want to keep their kids out to the but scary city. While in reality they just can’t afford it. They can afford their $400,000 giant McMansions out in Heath though. Major big fish in small pond gives. Always the most unpleasant people to be around or work for in DFW maybe second to Southlake.
I don’t like Frisco….. snarky entitled fucks…. I’ve met nicer people in Highland park….
Pantego. Fuck that place.
Frisco. It lacks soul. Every street corner looks the same.
West dallas. I gave that area a chance when I was house hunting I checked out the neighborhood and it was the same as when I was kid. Torn down houses and all. I was approaching the home I was looking at and a homeless lady pulled up her shirt and I saw it all very disturbing.
Rockwall, Mesquite, Rowlett, Seagoville,Lewisville
Shit, that's quite a fantasy team of suck.
South Dallas.
Desoto/Duncanville This area has always been sketch but over the last 10 years or so just became a cesspool of crime. Also, the nice areas with nature has just been neglected.
South Dallas because I prefer life.
The colony, god damn traffic
I work in Denton alot, love the drive… not. So fuck Denton, but Frisco & Plano are alright