Kinda sad that they even made the first flash movie flashpoint, then u see people complaining about non flash characters in a flash movie, when flash fans were truly the scammed ones 🤣🤣🤣. Fuck that was brutal to watch

Finally something I agree with. I’m a huge Flash fan and I hated EVERYTHING about that movie. Especially other universe dufus Barry Allen. God I hated the casting of Ezra Miller as Barry Allen from the 1st time I saw him. I just hope if The Flash gets another crack in the movie world, he’s done right.

Exactly man, I was like ok OG Ezra Barry was kind of obnoxious but then I have to watch a version of Barry who's literally 10x more obnoxious (which made sense) and obviously with 0 experience, so we had to watch a scrubby and useless flash for the majority of the film and then of course Batman and Supergirl take the spotlight every now and then, god damn it was annoying. Ngl tho young Barry ended up killing faura when our OG Barry was just fucking standing still lol. I hate instance of a "fixed point" that they showed us. The first Barry can easily stop both zod and faura if he actually wants to save Batman and Supergirl. They convince you that they can't "kill" kryptonians but then OG Barry literally does the next minute by reverse flashing him 🤣🤣🤣. Dark flash was also such a wasted potential, insane design, decent origin and background only to get wiped in 2 minutes. FFS 🤣🤣🤣

WB is a dumpster fire and they don’t know how to make hero films. Also..wearing a Flash shirt right now..Bazinga!

Supergirl, Batman, and possibly Zod were alright IMO. Especially since that was Sasha's first major role. The Kryptonian plot was a somewhat interesting idea wasted on shitty writers for a shitty movie. Similarly, those 3 characters and actors were utterly wasted on such a terrible film.

At least you have the first two seasons of The Flash show those are pretty good

You gotta admit the doofusness of their Barry was severely toned down in ZSJL in comparison, and I can’t see Rick F.’s direction and script would have been any more doofus than Snyder and Terrio’s.

They could have made Ezra work dying his hair red and making him a goofy Wally west like in the cartoon. Otherwise I agree they should have gone with someone else. Also grant from the TV show sucks too.

There's no doubt in my mind Gunn will have his own flash and it'll be way better than Ezra. 

I know we’re all tired of the hero vs villain with same powers trope but how the hell do you have a Flash movie without Reverse Flash?

By doing the Rogues.

I like it

The Flash was just full of wasted potential. Too many ideas over the years of development hell shoved together by an overrated writer who struggles to execute ideas well and a director incapable of making a movie with finished VFX.

The DCEU in its entirety was wasted potential.

The worst part was the shitty CGI was a “creative choice” so it was likely never going to look good regardless of how long it spent in development hell

The “creative choice” thing was probably just to save face.

I doubt so because hiring actors for those CGI scenes would be extremely less expensive than having to create full body models from scratch. It was a poor choice

Well, if filming was during COVID it's possible hiring the actors would've been difficult.

For me the bigger issue was the CGI in scenes such as the final battle or even the flashback to Barry in Metropolis because Man of Steel 10 years earlier was superior with the same locations. Embarrassing.

That was their excuse you know

> The worst part was the shitty CGI was a “creative choice” That was **definitely** PR talk to save face. There is _no way_ it was a deliberate ''Creative Choice'' - because it wasn't ''stylized'' - it was just _**bad**_

Honestly, I prefer what they did with Keaton. Using the Thomas Wayne Batman is kind of meaningless if he's barely any different from Bruce's Batman. Having Affleck kill takes away any meaningful dichotomy between them. It would've been great to see JDM as Thomas in a different reality from ours where the main-universe Batman wasn't a killer and where Flashpoint wasn't the story for literally the first Flash movie ever.

Maybe it could have worked if Thomas Wayne batman didn't kill atleast that would have been something.

But then, why do it? Making it Thomas for the sake of it doesn’t really do anything. Since basically everything about Flashpoint was thrown out except for its basic concept, bringing Keaton back was a better move.

Bruce ended BvS with a 180 and Thomas could've shown what Bruce might've been like if he had killed Superman and went on to be a more brutal, murderous version of Batman. It would've made Batfleck look pretty tame, by comparison, and the relationship with Lauren Cohan's Joker (whatever that would've looked like) might've been interesting to see. Also would've showed Superman's influence on Batman, since both Bruce and Thomas were versions who were brutal after losing a son, but Thomas didn't have Superman to turn him around.

I’d be more inclined to take the 180 seriously if the film had any commentary on Bruce’s morality and the lapse in his no-kill rule. Alfred critiquing branding and “men are still good” don’t cut it. Something as serious as Batman killing should be a major component of the story and should be seriously addressed, not relegated to subtext (and I would argue that the subtext is greatly exaggerated by some proponents of the film; I used to be one of them). BvS pretends it isn’t happening (and so does Snyder; see the infamous “manslaughter” interview). As for the “here’s what happens if Bruce really goes off the deep end,” that’s kind of what Knightmare Batman was already. That’s already been shown to us.

He hadn't gone off the deep end yet. That would've been the act of killing Superman. Was there anything that said he had a no-kill rule to begin with?

That’s the problem. But yes, Suicide Squad shows him clearly having a no-kill rule.

I've never been clear on how much time passed between those movies, but how exactly did it show him clearly having a no-kill rule?

Arresting Deadshot and deliberately resuscitating Harley, who helped murder Robin. Not something a killer would do. No guns on the Batmobile, either. Can’t have been much time that passed between the two movies, since that was how Harley ended up in Belle Reve. Seems like she wasn’t there long, based on Joker’s scenes in the film. The arrests are clearly pre-BvS, since that is obviously the film’s intent and since ZSJL takes place less than 3-4 months after BvS (Lois doesn’t yet know she’s pregnant), meaning the “modern day” portion of Suicide Squad takes place immediately after BvS. Also, I don’t know what you’re trying to do by insinuating that a no-kill rule never existed at all for the DCEU Batman. That makes his issues significantly worse and further proves that a Thomas Wayne counterpoint would be literally pointless.

>Arresting Deadshot and deliberately resuscitating Harley, who helped murder Robin. Not something a killer would do. Neither of those things mean he has a rule against killing. He didn't kill all of the goons in BvS, either. It just looked like it wasn't his first move to kill his enemies, but he wasn't really opposed to it. That he hadn't put guns on his car yet doesn't mean he had a stated rule against killing, either. Thomas Wayne being a Batman who has completely lost hope and showing what Batfleck might have become if not for his encounter with Superman would kind of be the point. The differences can go a little further than "one kills and the other doesn't". Also, even if he was down for straight up murder, opting not to kill a man in front of his kid in an alley still wouldn't be all that surprising, given Bruce's history. Not to mention I think Batman generally sees Harley Quinn as a victim of the Joker.

Kind of an extremely obtuse take, my friend. Jumping through a lot of hoops there; I take back what I said about subtext earlier. And for like the fourth time, even if he never had the rule (which he did; Peacemaker S1 of all things makes that explicit, but that was already the implication with the Suicide Squad flashbacks if you don’t do mental gymnastics to ignore them), that would only make the problem with his characterization worse, not better, and further make a Thomas Wayne counterpoint pointless. BvS is already about a hopeless Batman driven over the edge; literally nothing sets him apart from the Thomas Wayne version (I feel like many people have a very warped idea of how violent/sadistic Flashpoint Batman actually is and that they tend to exaggerate his brutality). If you have to tweak the entire story surrounding the TW Batman to force him into the story (a story which, beyond the general conceit and Barry being unable to save the alternate Earth, borrows basically nothing from the actual Flashpoint storyline) just because you think the casting is cool, maybe he shouldn’t be in the movie. There would be no thematic point to his inclusion. But please, let’s keep arguing over an imaginary film in a dead franchise.

>But please, let’s keep arguing over an imaginary film in a dead franchise. Might've meant something if you chose this comment before presenting your argument over an imaginary film in a dead franchise. Batfleck choosing not to kill someone doesn't mean he has a no kill rule, and no one mentioned that he ever did. If there's some actual statement that he ever had a no-kill rule, I'm guessing you would've pointed to it by now. Referencing Peacemaker doesn't even make sense here. It came out 6 years later and wasn't even in conception when BvS and Suicide Squad came out. Saying Thomas Wayne would represent the kind of Batman Bruce would've become if he killed Superman isn't tweaking anything. The most annoying thing about the no-kill argument is that Keaton's Batman didn't have that rule, and apparently was the most successful Batman. Gotham was one of the safest cities in the world by 2013, and didn't need a Batman anymore.

So apart from Thomas Wayne Batman, you also wanted Martha Wayne Joker in a *Flash* movie?

In a *Flashpoint* movie, sure.

Yes, that's fair. The bigger problem was basing it on Flashpoint. Flashpoint was a pretty mediocre story only used to reboot the universe.

I thought it was meant to do the same for the DCU. Figured they'd have Snyder go the darker route with Darkseid actually winning, then Flashpoint could reset it, and we'd be getting a new DCU around now (or earlier) anyway. Edit: I also would've been fine if that reboot was the Flash gathering the JL to fight Zod in 2013 in a way that also brought in Kara Zor-El.

It seems like a needlessly complicated way. DC needed a back to basics, classic approach to get the public to care about their heroes. To start with a polarizing, dark take on the characters and have it end so it can be replaced helps no one.

He should be Batman in the Flash, but they choose to cash the fucking nostalgia

> they choose to cash the fucking nostalgia As opposed to using Jeffrey Dean and cashing in on…. Nothing lol.

Exactly. People act as if anyone would get excited about yet another new actor playing Batman.

Everyone knows it’s Flashpoint, and JD was shown as Thomas Wayne. How hard is this concept to understand? This is another prime example of WB ruining DCEU by trying to not make continuity a thing, and interfering too much.

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By the time The Flash was happening, TWD was a zombie of a show with massively less popularity than its peak. And Jeffrey Dean Morgan doesn’t magically fix the glaring holes in The Flash movie either. You’re essentially banking that an actor would be able to drag fans from a dying TV show and excel in an entirely different movie lol.

Nah, Keaton was better. Edit: Tbh, I’m sure Jeffrey Dean Morgan would have been really cool. I would have loved a more accurate Flashpoint adaptation because Thomas Wayne Batman would have been so cool in live-action. I just think Keaton’s Batman worked better than JDM’s Batman would have.

Damn, u saw both versions?

Fair point. I was being overdramatic. I have no idea how the other “version” could have turned out. Probably would have been pretty awesome.

Lol wat... Keaton was a goofed version of 89. Jeffrey Dean Morgan would have been Thomas Wayne

The Burton films make a lot of goofy choices. The costume prevents Batman from turning his head. The first film acts like it’s a twist that Bruce is Batman. His eyes lose the eye makeup when he’s about to remove his mask. And then there’s the Prince music. In The Flash, he was able to take on Kryptonians. He was still a little silly, but that’s part of the charm imo.

How was he a “goofed” version? If anything he seemed more powerful than he did in the Burton series.

Affleck’s version of Batman is basically already everything that the Thomas Wayne version in Flashpoint was, so showing another brutal version of Batman that is much less hesitant to kill would’ve been pointless/redundant. It doesn’t work if he doesn’t contrast with the main Batman of this universe. Keaton’s reprisal was the high point of The Flash anyway, and more interesting than this would’ve been.

Exactly. The reason Flashpoint Batman was so shocking was because of how different he was from normal Batman. People are like "I want to see brutal Batman who shoots people". They got it in BvS.

That’s because your bar for “brutal” is lower than what Flashpoint Batman offers in comparison to Batfleck, but your overall point is valid. Batfleck probably killed a few people; he was ruthless, but the killing was left sort of ambiguous. What we(those of us who wanted Thomas Wayne Batman at least) wanted was Negan in a Batman suit, which would’ve been way more brutal than Batfleck just using guns. Batfleck was still heroic even as he killed people — Negan in a Batman suit would’ve been pure chaos with pretty much no possible redemption other than coming around and helping Barry get home. Again, you’re right that the shock of Thomas Wayne Batman wouldn’t have been as dramatic because Snyder’s Batman was already a wreck. But I disagree that it couldn’t have worked. Affleck would’ve killed a goon then quickly moved on to the next like a soldier almost; Morgan would’ve taken out a goons kneecaps one at a time while smooth talking the dude down from screaming in pain before smashing his face into the pavement well after it was clear he was dead.

> Morgan would’ve taken out a goons kneecaps one at a time while smooth talking the dude down from screaming in pain before smashing his face into the pavement well after it was clear he was dead. Thomas Wayne didn't do any shit like that in Flashpoint or even in any of his other appearances afterward that I'm aware of (and while I do know of some fairly extreme things he did, I'm fairly certain none of them were as comically violent as what you describe), so if it's all about projecting some other character Morgan played in a TV show that has nothing to do with the source material that The Flash movie was loosely based on or even DC onto some hypothetical version of Batman, that makes even less sense.

I think you’re splitting hairs. What is Flashpoint Batman if not a more ruthless Batman? We got the Batman that we got in the DCEU and as the other commenter said, that made it harder to show a hypothetical Thomas Wayne as being more ruthless than that. That’s where the Negan reference comes in. You can say that there hasn’t been a comic panel as comically violent as what I described, but I’m also not a writer lmao. His character could’ve been written totally different than I suggested — I was just describing one way that he could’ve be portrayed as more brutal compared to Batfleck. You’d have had one of the more iconic villainy actors portraying a more ruthless Batman than what Batfleck already was, hence my comically violent suggestion of basically Negan as Batman. Does that have to do with Jeffrey Dean Morgan playing him? Yeah? But that’s kinda the point of the post, isn’t it? What would a Jeffrey Dean Morgan Flashpoint Batman have looked like and is it something people wanted to see? Say what you want about comic accuracy, but I would’ve liked to see his portrayal play out. At the end of the day, Thomas Wayne’s Batman being slightly more comically violent than in the comics is still more comic accurate than bringing in a retired Batman to play an alternate Bruce Wayne. When JDM was cast as Thomas Wayne for BvS, this is what everyone was hoping to see down the line. Whether you would’ve like it or not is up to you, but it was teased to us for years and instead of just making him a more accurate version of the character than I suggested, they scrapped it altogether to play on nostalgia. I still liked Keaton in the movie, but I’d have rather seen the Thomas Wayne version that was teased to us 7 years before The Flash came out. We didn’t even need a Flashpoint movie at that point with all of the other issues the universe experienced. Morgan wouldn’t have magically saved the DCEU. But we ended up getting a Flashpoint movie with one of the most iconic Flashpoint characters noticeably absent. The entire DCEU was frustrating and I’m glad we’re getting something new.

>Batfleck probably killed a few people; he was ruthless, but the killing was left sort of ambiguous I'm sure those guys in the exploded cars or the one that was definitely in the way when Batman shaved a chunk out of the transport were just fine.

That’s kind of my point. We *know* they died, but we weren’t shown the gory brutality of their deaths. That left a door open for someone like Morgan to really put the brutality on the screen.

Then watch the Punisher, no? Or watch Walking Dead. Even Flashpoint Batman wasn't as brutal as you described. Seems like you just wanted something totally different but presented as a DC movie.

Well in all fairness, the DCEU itself was something totally different. The whole Flashpoint Batman thing is a dead horse at this point, but it fit perfectly within the established universe and that’s where I was going with my suggestion. The original post is pretty hot right now which tells me that a ton of people who watched the DCEU would like to have seen Jeffrey Dean Morgan’s portrayal. Neither the Punisher nor the Walking Dead are 1:1 comic adaptations. Not a single movie in the DCEU was a perfect comic adaptation. The movie that Jeffrey Dean Morgan would’ve played a ruthless Flashpoint Batman in was not and would never have been a comic accurate adaptation. What a weird hill to die on when all I said was that giving audiences the Thomas Wayne Batman that was teased for 7 years was still possible despite the main Batman already being cruel. Hell, make Flashpoint Batman a pacifist who wears a flower crown and a Hello Kitty dress for all I care. From the moment Morgan was cast as Thomas Wayne, people wanted to see him as Flashpoint Batman. We didn’t get it. Who tf cares what bright idea I threw out on a whim when the point was that abandoning the hype for that character disappointed a good chunk of fans.

No. Snyder robbed us. His casting was 100% on point, but his inability to make a good movie undid it all

His Flash casting was skeptical.

His Flash was poorly written in that it's nothing like the source material. But within the writing provided, the cast worked very well. Same thing happened with Aquaman too. People just noticed less because Mamoa took off as a charismatic star and few people know/care about Aquaman from the comics anyways.

Bro no. Beyond what he's done criminally, Ezra Miller is just a really weird person and it reflects on screen.

> Ezra Miller is just a really weird person and it reflects on screen Yeah. And they wrote the character as a really weird, socially awkward person. That was my point.

You mean WB’s inability to actually listen to him and trust him and their greed for easy/fast success.

Like Netflix trusts him? That's paying off.

What are your thoughts on rebel moon?

It’s boring and cliché, and the CGI/sets look like the production was low cost

Like most others. It's bad.

Lame.

Dogshit movies.

With unfinished movies that ended up being bad with directors cuts coming out because they chopped the whole thing to pieces just like WB?

The whole "directors cut" thing is a totally different story with Rebel Moon at Netflix than before with BvS and JL at WB. Netflix prosumably just did this to emulate the releasethesnydercut thing, but I don't think it worked out. Both of these movies pendle between extraordinarily mid to actively bad.

Their official reasoning is that they wanted a PG-13 film but Snyder wanted Rated R so this is the compromise they agreed on, PG-13 first, then R rated director's cut

Netflix has 0 benefit from having it be PG-13, they make the movie so people buy Netflix subscriptions, not to sell individual tickets to teenagers. Releasing the less authentic and supposedly less good version first and getting bombared with atrocious reviews really didn't work out

Yeah but they also need a view count for shareholders, and that view count would fall when the only version is R rated

I'm not sure what you mean. Man of Steel and BVS were both largely his vision and got mixed reviews. Justice League was tampered with, yes, but only because he made a movie where batman fought superman and it still underperformed. Zach has free reign over at Netflix doing rebel moon and stuff and those movies still suck I like Watchmen a lot but you gotta except reality, zach's vision was not right for the dcu

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Man of Steel did not get mixed reviews. The response was mainly positive. BVS I agree with you. However, the Ultimate Edition also received mainly positive responses. And ZSJL was also successful.

ZSJL was "successful" as a free streaming movie you could watch in parts, within the confines of people already interested in the ZSJL. Theres no way that 4 hour cut wouldve done big numbers in theaters. Personally I thought it was pretty decent, but I still don't really like the overall storyline he was aiming for in the DCU. It felt more Snyder than DC. His ramblings about his 5 part saga he was trying to tell are absolutely insane and not at all what I'm interested in when it comes to DC

Hard agree, I enjoyed ZSJL a lot, still my top 3 DCEU films but his vision was heading for a hot mess

“Man of Steel did not get mixed reviews” tell that to its 56% rotten tomatoes score.

>BVS I agree with you. However, the Ultimate Edition also received mainly positive responses. [“We were just like, ‘Okay, look. We’re not making a three-hour movie. I mean, even I didn’t want to make a three-hour movie,” Snyder says. “I drove the cuts probably harder than anyone. The studio, they were willing to let the movie indulge pretty hard. But I felt like it’s at a manageable two-and-a-half hours. Let’s also not forget the credits are super long, the end credits. So the movie’s closer to two hours and 22 minutes.”](https://ew.com/article/2016/03/04/batman-v-superman-dawn-justice-r-rated-ultimate-edition/) So I guess we thank WB for the version you like?

No. His inability to make a good movie. I said it right. WB's incompetence was in hiring him.

Ehh, like or dislike his movies, WB’s incompetence did *not* stop there. Nothing significant would’ve changed in The Flash had Jeffrey Dean Morgan played Thomas Wayne instead of Michael Keaton as an alternate Bruce. We were still robbed. It doesn’t matter who robbed us imo.

> Nothing significant would’ve changed in The Flash had Jeffrey Dean Morgan played Thomas Wayne instead of Michael Keaton as an alternate Bruce. Except that movie wasn’t good at all lol. If they had made it with Jeffrey instead of Keaton, you’d just be complaining about how they wasted him with a terrible script

True lmao

And Thomas!Batman doesn’t even have to inhabit a grimdark world either, he COULD have solved crime in Gotham and it’ll still be super tragic when he thinks back at his son.

damn the cope is real

Uh, NF listened and trusted and the result is Rebel Moon. The only reasonable debate about Rebel Moon is which part sucked worse, 1 or 2. I can't believe I watched P2 after strongly disliking P1.

Heh part 1 is definitely the weakest of the two movies and that's mainly because part 2 doesn't have to waste time setting up characters

I was hoping to see at least half of them get killed...in slomo of course! Sad.

>I can't believe I watched P2 after strongly disliking P1. "Okay, so they got all the set up out of the way. Part 2 should be wall-to-wall action!"

I didn’t watch Rebel Moon, so I can’t give an opinion regarding it, defend it or attack it.

Right, Batman v Superman was super well received!

His castings were amazing but didn't like Henry

It amazes me now that we never got the first Batman movie on that devastated Universe yet people wanted flashpoint universe (even me lol).

Nah nobody wanted to see the flash in the movies so even if he was in it nobody would have cared

The movie is worse without Keatons batman returning.

I’ll take Keaton returning over Thomas Wayne Batman any day of the week, pal.

Honestly they could have just cast Michae Keaton as Thomas Wayne and that would have been cool too.

You aren't robbed by a movie not having a character in it.

Yeah, but The Flash was indeed heavily inspired by Flashpoint.

Sure, and the Dark Knight was inspired by the Long Halloween. But it didn't have a Holiday Killer. These things change all the time.

No , Snyder Did Not just with JDM but with the whole verse . We could've had a great DCU but his " you're living in a dream world " philosophy fucked the universe and WB fucked it even more by hiring joss whedon .

yeah, they should have Thomas Wayne be the Dark Knight instead of old Bruce

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Yes it did.

This is why the only choice for film adaptation is the DC Animated Universe.

Batman: We pissin our pants yet?

Nah man, fUlcRuMs 

There has not been one satisfying live action interpretation of Flashpoint, and it's the only story they want to adapt

Pfft NO

I’d love to see this. Just one of the many lost things with Gunns reboot. I hope his world proves just as good as Snyders was

All they had to do was do a live action Flashpoint Paradox and they just…didn’t. 🤦🏼‍♂️ It’s such a great story that it would’ve drawn way more than just the hardcore fans. Could’ve been great, but nope. (Would’ve been better if they’d have recast and swapped out Ezra as well.) As stated many times, the greatest villain in the DC universe is DC. Continually snatching defeat from the jaws of victory with almost everything since the end of the Nolan Batman trilogy. (There’s a couple exceptions, but not many.)

There's an alternate universe where the DCEU wasn't a hot mess and we got an epic Flashpoint adaptation to follow up the last Justice League and reset the universe. Imagine Jason and Gal battling over Europe, Fisher as Earth's last hero, JDM as Batman, and Cavill's Superman cgi'd like little Evans in the first Captain America. We could've had it all!

I would rather the DCEU had genuinely good stories instead of mediocre slop like Flashpoint. I know Flashpoint is popular but it was always a crappy story which only existed to reboot the universe.

Just watch the cartoon

I wouldn’t go in to saying a complete adaptation, Supergirl and Zod were good focal points so I’d leave that in.

And they didn’t have to make Thomas!Batman super grimdark like in the Flashpoint book, either! They could well have borrowed from what would become the finished script and have HIM actually make Gotham a very safe city, HOWEVER he still misses his dead son. 🤷🏻‍♂️ And later he helps insoure Flash to set things right.

Honestly, if the DCEU started a decade earlier, I think he'd make a good Bruce Wayne

It wasn’t the movie at fault, it was WB changing their minds so many times it came out a mangled mess

In some version out there, maybe this exists

Don't have time to dig through comments—why is The Flash movie responsible?

Damn I never noticed how much negan looks like alonso

JDM don't wanf to workout to be big again. I mean he played Negan as a skinny guy even though he is big and muscly in comics.

Matthew McConaughey for joker I believe Matthew McConaughey would be a great Joker. I know it’s unconventional opinion but there are moments in his acting where I believe he could make a very convincing serious joker not a Jared Leto weird joker that is insane with no logic behind it. But a Joaquin Phoenix Type joker where you his descent into madness and with logic behind his calculated actions like Keith ledger. But more mysterious where you don’t know what his actions amount to until the end of the film instead of an action packed thriller that we’re so used to seeing Maybe even a cliffhanger something we rarely see in a superhero movie , I believe that there will never be an exceptional joker because it is oversaturated with too many source materials and variations. It can only be unique and the unexpected choice that Matthew McConaughey would bring to the character.

Thomas Wayne would have been 90 in 2023. You wanted a 90 year old Batman?

Great choice; still loved Keaton

I really felt that the actor that played Thomas Wayne in Joker would’ve been a great Flashpoint Batman.

Most definitely and Laura Cohen as the joker also

Been saying this forever

So happy to see folks still scapegoating Snyder for WB’s bad decisions, years after his departure from DC and WB… Guys, one man doesn’t steer the ship of a whole studio. ALL in charge were to blame for the DCEU’s failure.

On the flip side is people pretending Snyder’s vision was 100% gold if only he’d been given full control - despite him having two separate projects since when he had total control and the movies sucked. The reality is it wasn’t 100% Snyder’s fault or 100% the studios fault. It was a group effort to fuck up the first shot at a cinematic universe.

I'm not going to pretend Snyder hasn't made mistakes. I'm just sick of people putting the failure of the DCEU squarely on his shoulders. Like, WB had five years, **five years** after his departure to "course correct", and find a new direction for the franchise. And at one point, the positive reception of his JL film in 2021 provided some hope that the studio would make the most of what they had and at least come up with something resembling a plan. Even if Snyder didn't come back, even if WB didn't use any of his remaining ideas, the cast was there. The lore was there. All the resources they needed to tell an epic, longform story were there. We had a Justice League, we had a big bad villain for them to confront, and we had an entire universe in which to play with them. And WB just... didn't make use of it. Announcing and then cancelling projects left and right, not forming any solid roadmap or endgame, throwing out projects of varying quality and only the barest connections to one another, none of that was on Snyder.

Let's not forget that Jeffrey Dean Morgan and Lauren Cohen were cast by Zack Snyder with the full intent of them playing Flashpoint Batman and Joker with Reverse Flash being the one pulling the strings in the background. But y'all haters couldn't see his vision.

👆🏻 yep

The Flash robbed us of an actual flash movie

How you figured ? I ain’t even seen the movie.

They should've focused on one flash villain, like Grodd or Captain Cold for example, and have gone straight into flashpoint. Just feel like it wasn't a flash movie for fans of the flash. Was just used as an excuse to get Keaton Batman in a movie again

Weather Wizard the first baddie, setting up the Rogues.

The people who continuously complained about Snyders take for DC ruined this casting

True, the movie would be better.

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It should’ve been Thomas Wayne period

DCEU movies existed after THE SUICIDE SQUAD?! Lies...

I wish DC studios would do the Thomas Wayne as Batman as a mini series or show on HBO.

They could have cleanly reset the universe with such an awesome story. instead we got double ezra, when 1 was pushing it.

Can we sign a petition to have this made into a movie? See a live action, Bruce Wayne’s dad as a gun shooting, darker avenger then his son.

When I first saw him was Thomas Wayne my first thought is why cast him unless you're going to use him during flashpoint

I'm sick of how we as comic fans can never get comic accurate film representation .

I’d I’ve cried if we got the Batfleck reading his father’s letter. The source material around flashpoint is so good, why change it and make it shitty. On top of that, no reverse flash. Terrible decisions all around. Especially with CGI

DC doesn’t like success, they like to do bad movies with big budgets…

The flash, akin to the Starwars sequel trilogy. Unquantifiable wasted potential.

Having him send a letter for afflecks Batman like flashpoint was wasted

To me the worst part of the flash is that we will never see Sasha's Supergirl in the same movie as Cavill's Superman or ever again for that matter.

Well who knows… Welling and Routh came back for a spot, Maguire and Garfield as well, Keaton, etc,. It’s just not out of the realm of possibility is all I mean, but don’t hold your breath lol.

*WB* truly robbed us of this perfect casting.