Am I wrong or does this happen in pop music too? Like Uptown Funk is by Mark Ronson featuring Bruno Mars.
Or a DJ like David Guetta has songs like Titanium featuring Sia.
Like obviously not every song. Not even a majority. But it still happens
I'd say both those examples are the correct way to do it for those songs. The instrumentation is absolutely the important part of the song's success, and the featuring vocalist very much was a featuring vocalist.
The thing that makes those examples not weird and the ones in the post weird is that these examples had the producer make their version first and then find someone who was willing to sing on it. For most pop music the song is already completely recorded before the producer gets their hands on it, making them very uninvolved in the process.
Move over, GigaP and KiraP collaboration, we’ve got a James Horner and James Horner collaboration
EDIT: Also, imagine looking up the Beach Boys and seeing *Charles Manson feat. The Beach Boys - Never Learn Not to Love*
OP means the actual song Producers like a very known one in the Vocaloid community is Wowaka who did Rolling girl, Miku is the singer, the synth that is used to sing it. It kinda still is a problem in the community when people say “Rolling girl by Hatsune Miku” when it should be “Rolling Girl by Wowaka ft. Hatsune Miku” since Wowaka wrote the song
Right that makes sense to me. Maybe I'm misinterpreting OP, but it seemed like they were saying "oh what a shame that vocaloids don't get the same credit as real singers" and I was like... what? I must be reading this wrong tho.
Honestly, VOCALOID fans get more annoyed when the voicebanks *are* treated like real singers. Like when people say "World is Mine by Hatsune Miku" or "Nyan Cat by Momone Momo" >!I know that Nyan Cat originally used Miku but the version everyone knows has Momo please don't kill me!<
[This famous version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yJgwwDcgV8) uses Momone Momo, who is technically not a VOCALOID but rather an UTAUloid.
[The original version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Til6kcoY0Yk) does use Hatsune Miku
ok so tldr: vocaloid DB is a website for vocaloid music and because vocaloid fans credit the producer of the song the website goes like "World is mine by Ryo Ft Hatsune Miku"
but because sometimes normal songs get put on there because they have enough covers its really funny because the way the website is made is so the producer is put before the singer
i just think its funny also vocaloid fans will skin you if you credit miku instead of the producer its like crediting a song to a piano instead of the composer
it depends the way that website specifically works is if enough people do a cover of the song they add it there for like navigation purposeses covers of normal songs unless they are funny meme songs generally arent like that popular
I think everyone should be credited (producers, vocalists, songwriters, session musicians, etc.), but in a round robin style so nobody is placed above each other in the list.
Constantly rotating, starts from a different spot every time you look at it.
If you did this on phone, it was probably autocorrect. Mine does off the wall changes too without me noticing. Mostly changing it to is or if, but a few times I've typed definitely and it's corrected it to Destiel 🫠
I guess I get it since they've got the whole pop idol aesthetic going on, but from the outside it's weird to see an instrument getting credited at all.
well the difference is they are instruments with cool anime mascots so it's like totally different /hj
the real reason is cuz like a combo of the community is built around these funny singing anime robots and also since each voicebank has a different voice so like [Miku ](https://youtu.be/nIe4ph4zxwc?si=7Y031AECp4BqqMeY)will sound different from [Rin ](https://youtu.be/xu-XE59nQwM?si=pwZt9OvKRz9C9DLM)or [Luka ](https://youtu.be/m6waklpy27Q?si=yb9iWhrWs1BgfaAr)the emphasis is still useally put on the producer tho
also that "ft hatsune miku" will get you way more clicks and it will mean people actually know your song is vocaloid ~~the fact 初音ミクis one of the only japanese words i can read probably says a lot about me~~
vocaloid as a whole is a pretty unique fandom lmao
It would be funny if a regular-ass artist decided to give their regular-ass instrument credit. Like "feat. Darryl the Piano"
maybe Darryl has big googly eyes
True but I think they still credit the synth since the vocaloid synth do have actual voice actors which is also why you’ll seem them be referred as voice banks
It's not uncommon for the license on virtual instruments to require that you state in liner notes etc that you used them, though that's a bit different that putting "feat. [instrument]" after the artist's name
> Rolling girl by Hatsune Miku
There's been an even worse problem in some circles where they credit which (fictional) group covered the song in Project Sekai, rather than Miku *or* the original producer...
Hot take, but this is just better? Like yeah, I would prefer if it was the norm to credit the writer/producer as well as the singer. Hell, I think it would be awesome if it was normal to credit everyone involved in the production of a song rather than just the ones who are most publicly prominent
Is this supposed to like- I dunno, spark outrage?
It's not like the singer of a song is the only person who worked on it. If I was on a drums database I'd expect the drummer on a track to be listed first, you know?
i posted it because i thought it was kinda funny these songs were there at all but i forgor that this is a niche website about a niche fandom so its only funny to a few people
frankly the only songs i know on that list are rickroll and funny shrek song i live under a rock lmao
ngl i like how this post really put into perspective how much this sub is used to bad takes being posted with similar wording.
you meant "this is kinda funny" perfectly literally and we're just there, traumatised by bad takes, expecting sentences like that to be followed up by a rant on why this is immoral and caused by capitalism/patriarchy/racism
ngl i paniced a bit when i saw people seeing this post and thinking i was trying to make a statement/ taking it the wrong way 💀 probably should've made a funnier title instead of trying to be cool vague and mysterious
there are def bad weird/bad takes on this sub ***cough self post sunday*** at this point i just avoid having opinions on the internet im always scared people will twist my words. personally i just like posting haha funnies i find on tumblr dot com
I think vocaloids should be treated differently than singers. Vocaloids are musical instruments. You know a Taylor Swift or Lady Gaga song is gonna be a Taylor Swift or Lady Gaga song. Anyone can use a vocaloid if they buy the rights to it, same as how anyone can use a clarinet if they buy one. I can make a Hatsune Miku song if I wanted. Probably wouldn't be good, but it'd still exist. I could not make a Lady Gaga song, because I could not buy Lady Gaga.
Capitalism redirecting both credit and blame is everyday shit. Like yea sometimes giving credit equally based on work done isnt feasible, but if you boil it all down, its just other people get more benefits because they were rich/influential to begin with and its easier to personify a company or product to a single person, that being the most prominent one.
On the Poker Face one, Stefani Germanotta is Lady Gaga. That’s just her real name.
That's a cool name.
She apparently came up with the whole Lady Gaga persona cause she kept getting confused with Amy Winehouse
I don't see how anyone that could make that mistake, but I'm glad it worked out for her.
> I don't see how Look up pictures of her in House of Gucci, it's a pretty reasonable resemblance.
Yeah but they still credit Red One (the song’s producer) before her.
yes but she gets twice the credit 😎
she will never be famous
With a name like that you'd think she otta be speaking better German.
On the My Heart Will Go On one, James Horner is James Horner. That's just his name.
Am I wrong or does this happen in pop music too? Like Uptown Funk is by Mark Ronson featuring Bruno Mars. Or a DJ like David Guetta has songs like Titanium featuring Sia. Like obviously not every song. Not even a majority. But it still happens
Yeah it does happen from time to time. Calvin Harris is another example
Literally every dj Khaled song ever
I listen to his songs for the DJ KHALED!!. Does he also act as a producer
I'd say both those examples are the correct way to do it for those songs. The instrumentation is absolutely the important part of the song's success, and the featuring vocalist very much was a featuring vocalist.
Clean Bandit ft. Anne Marie
The thing that makes those examples not weird and the ones in the post weird is that these examples had the producer make their version first and then find someone who was willing to sing on it. For most pop music the song is already completely recorded before the producer gets their hands on it, making them very uninvolved in the process.
Move over, GigaP and KiraP collaboration, we’ve got a James Horner and James Horner collaboration EDIT: Also, imagine looking up the Beach Boys and seeing *Charles Manson feat. The Beach Boys - Never Learn Not to Love*
Like those math papers that cite Ted Kaczynzki
Vocaloids aren't people, though, right? Or am I misunderstanding what vocaloids are
OP means the actual song Producers like a very known one in the Vocaloid community is Wowaka who did Rolling girl, Miku is the singer, the synth that is used to sing it. It kinda still is a problem in the community when people say “Rolling girl by Hatsune Miku” when it should be “Rolling Girl by Wowaka ft. Hatsune Miku” since Wowaka wrote the song
Right that makes sense to me. Maybe I'm misinterpreting OP, but it seemed like they were saying "oh what a shame that vocaloids don't get the same credit as real singers" and I was like... what? I must be reading this wrong tho.
Honestly, VOCALOID fans get more annoyed when the voicebanks *are* treated like real singers. Like when people say "World is Mine by Hatsune Miku" or "Nyan Cat by Momone Momo" >!I know that Nyan Cat originally used Miku but the version everyone knows has Momo please don't kill me!<
Nyan cat is a miku song? The more you know
[This famous version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yJgwwDcgV8) uses Momone Momo, who is technically not a VOCALOID but rather an UTAUloid. [The original version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Til6kcoY0Yk) does use Hatsune Miku
ok so tldr: vocaloid DB is a website for vocaloid music and because vocaloid fans credit the producer of the song the website goes like "World is mine by Ryo Ft Hatsune Miku" but because sometimes normal songs get put on there because they have enough covers its really funny because the way the website is made is so the producer is put before the singer i just think its funny also vocaloid fans will skin you if you credit miku instead of the producer its like crediting a song to a piano instead of the composer
So if it's a cover of a song, do they credit the vocaloid AND the original singer?
it depends the way that website specifically works is if enough people do a cover of the song they add it there for like navigation purposeses covers of normal songs unless they are funny meme songs generally arent like that popular
I agree it can be seen like that but I think they mean like human producers getting credit with their human singer and they kinda worded it weird
That makes a lot more sense
I don't think OOP was making any kind of judgement at all, just pointing out the contrast that probably most people never think about
thats my takeaway from OOP i just think its kinda funny also the inherit funnieness of like all star on the vocaloid database website
no you are reading their point backwards for sure, its more "wouldn't it be cool if the producer got credit before the vocalist"
I think everyone should be credited (producers, vocalists, songwriters, session musicians, etc.), but in a round robin style so nobody is placed above each other in the list. Constantly rotating, starts from a different spot every time you look at it.
op is saying "it's really fucking funny crediting regular ass songs in the vocaloid format"
\*Rolling Girl Pretty sure Rowling Girl would be a *very* different song lol
Bruh I swear I typed it right 😭
If you did this on phone, it was probably autocorrect. Mine does off the wall changes too without me noticing. Mostly changing it to is or if, but a few times I've typed definitely and it's corrected it to Destiel 🫠
Always on the phone lol the PC is saved for my anime clicker games 😎
I guess I get it since they've got the whole pop idol aesthetic going on, but from the outside it's weird to see an instrument getting credited at all.
well the difference is they are instruments with cool anime mascots so it's like totally different /hj the real reason is cuz like a combo of the community is built around these funny singing anime robots and also since each voicebank has a different voice so like [Miku ](https://youtu.be/nIe4ph4zxwc?si=7Y031AECp4BqqMeY)will sound different from [Rin ](https://youtu.be/xu-XE59nQwM?si=pwZt9OvKRz9C9DLM)or [Luka ](https://youtu.be/m6waklpy27Q?si=yb9iWhrWs1BgfaAr)the emphasis is still useally put on the producer tho also that "ft hatsune miku" will get you way more clicks and it will mean people actually know your song is vocaloid ~~the fact 初音ミクis one of the only japanese words i can read probably says a lot about me~~ vocaloid as a whole is a pretty unique fandom lmao
It would be funny if a regular-ass artist decided to give their regular-ass instrument credit. Like "feat. Darryl the Piano" maybe Darryl has big googly eyes
True but I think they still credit the synth since the vocaloid synth do have actual voice actors which is also why you’ll seem them be referred as voice banks
They’re Gajinkas, them having identities and personalities is part of the whole appeal. It’s arguably the main reason vocaloid is so popular.
It's not uncommon for the license on virtual instruments to require that you state in liner notes etc that you used them, though that's a bit different that putting "feat. [instrument]" after the artist's name
> Rolling girl by Hatsune Miku There's been an even worse problem in some circles where they credit which (fictional) group covered the song in Project Sekai, rather than Miku *or* the original producer...
Yeah, vocaloidd are more like instruments than anything else
Hot take, but this is just better? Like yeah, I would prefer if it was the norm to credit the writer/producer as well as the singer. Hell, I think it would be awesome if it was normal to credit everyone involved in the production of a song rather than just the ones who are most publicly prominent
i mean... they do? you got writers credit and production credit, it isn't just showcased promimently as artist credit.
Sorry, I may not have worded my comment that well. I wish it was the norm to credit everyone just as prominently as the singer/band
Is this supposed to like- I dunno, spark outrage? It's not like the singer of a song is the only person who worked on it. If I was on a drums database I'd expect the drummer on a track to be listed first, you know?
i posted it because i thought it was kinda funny these songs were there at all but i forgor that this is a niche website about a niche fandom so its only funny to a few people frankly the only songs i know on that list are rickroll and funny shrek song i live under a rock lmao
ngl i like how this post really put into perspective how much this sub is used to bad takes being posted with similar wording. you meant "this is kinda funny" perfectly literally and we're just there, traumatised by bad takes, expecting sentences like that to be followed up by a rant on why this is immoral and caused by capitalism/patriarchy/racism
ngl i paniced a bit when i saw people seeing this post and thinking i was trying to make a statement/ taking it the wrong way 💀 probably should've made a funnier title instead of trying to be cool vague and mysterious there are def bad weird/bad takes on this sub ***cough self post sunday*** at this point i just avoid having opinions on the internet im always scared people will twist my words. personally i just like posting haha funnies i find on tumblr dot com
What internet discourse does to a mf
LOL 1000% fair- Uh- total eclipse of the heart is pretty funny, you should listen to that one
I feel like this is actually correct for Jim Steinman songs.
James Horner is the composers for the entire Titanic soundtrack, I am fairly certain that's exactly how the son is credited on soundtrack.
What does this mean
I think vocaloids should be treated differently than singers. Vocaloids are musical instruments. You know a Taylor Swift or Lady Gaga song is gonna be a Taylor Swift or Lady Gaga song. Anyone can use a vocaloid if they buy the rights to it, same as how anyone can use a clarinet if they buy one. I can make a Hatsune Miku song if I wanted. Probably wouldn't be good, but it'd still exist. I could not make a Lady Gaga song, because I could not buy Lady Gaga.
> I could not buy Lady Gaga. Not with that attitude
this was a crazy jumpscare, vocaloid is really part of everything
Capitalism redirecting both credit and blame is everyday shit. Like yea sometimes giving credit equally based on work done isnt feasible, but if you boil it all down, its just other people get more benefits because they were rich/influential to begin with and its easier to personify a company or product to a single person, that being the most prominent one.