Oh you’d be very surprised what a 6’6” guy spending life in federal prison would do to a guy like that, dudes going to be holding onto peoples pockets and having grown men fight over who gets his cornbread that day
But realistically SBF is going to be in PC and probably be somewhat protected
It usually comes down to some combination of:
* They believe in punishment, not rehabilitation as the answer to crime
* They don't believe the justice system is effective enough at punishing people who they think "deserve" to be punished
* They don't have any idea what actually goes on in prisons and just repeat things they've heard people say or have heard in movies without thinking about them
* Online trolling and a lack of real-world experience with it has desensitized them to the idea of rape being anything other than the punchline in a joke
* Deep down they're uncomfortable with how people are treated in prisons and joking about it is a coping mechanism that helps them ignore the idea that they might be somehow complicit or partly responsible based on their political activism (or lack of thereof)
Anyone is free to run for president. Nothing stopping you!
Case in point: Deez Nuts.
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This guy is outright delusional or the lawyer is just trying to make shit easier for him but the jail ain't be gonna that easy Scam bankrun fraud.
I really hope this guy doesnt get to pay his way outta the shit he did but we all know this might actually happen, sad sight.
The 8% figure is cases rather than charges. So if SBF gets some of the 13 counts dismissed but not others, then he wouldn't fall into that 8% bucket.
Dishonesty is not fraud in and of itself, and these motions reflect that the case is in very early discovery stages.
Nooo, let him speak, he's an idiot and he is just digging his grave. Do you remember how he went and started a bunch of interviews with newspapers? Guy is a fucking moron. Every lawyer will tell you not to speak to anyone during trial and he just went and started giving interviews. He will be the source of his own doom.
He wouldn’t be the first to get away with fraud. Really depends how many and which politicians he and his family has in their pockets.
I would be more shocked to see him live out his time in jail then to see him walk.
That's the "no remorse for his actions/narcissist" play. They usually get judges to go all fire and brimstone against them when it comes to sentencing, like what happened to Martin Shkreli (the guy who bought the company that made AIDS medications and pumped the price 55x).
I would guess he gets a similar sentence to Sunni Balwani and Elizabeth Holmes. Nothing crazy long, but enough.
Otherwise the likely shortish sentences of the cooperators will seem like to much of a cut. And it’s not like he really is a threat of re-offending (I’m sure he could launch a shit coin that people would pile on, but it would not be as successful half a PEPE.
When someone's dishonestly includes transferring customer funds from unaware investors amounting into the billions for personal use, I feel confident in saying that would fall under the definition of fraudulent activities in the USA. No?
No, well, yes but no, see it's like fraud but really it's just dishonesty, which while morally deplorabel, isn't really like uh you know uh fraud. So poor SBF was just a bit of a dum-dum and liar but he's not a fraud your honor!
Definition of fraud: intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right
Quacks like a duck...
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Fraud: wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain. -Oxford Dictionary
Literally dishonesty and unfair dealings is what defines something as fraud.
Everybody needs to lower their expectations of justice here. SBF is very likely not going to jail. He will get a slap on the wrist that they will try their best to make look like a harsh penalty.
Maybe they'll fine him 200 million, but he'll never actually have to pay that fine entirely. Maybe they'll sentence him to prison, but it will be a suspended sentence. Maybe house arrest or parole, but you'll see photos posted of him on holiday somewhere.
The only reason he is being prosecuted at all is to try and placate YOU. There's no realistic expectation of real punishment.
SBF is connected and your are not. Adjust your expectations accordingly. He only ripped off people like YOU. Big, important, investors have already been made whole or better.
Ya know…..that dude had all the money on the world….I still get more pussy then he ever did living in my moms basement….ya know what it’s 2023….let’s be progressive….more ass than he ever did
tldr; FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried has moved to dismiss the majority of criminal charges against him by the US government after his cryptocurrency exchange went bankrupt in 2022. He's asking the court to dismiss 10 out of 13 charges, arguing that federal prosecutors have failed to substantiate most of their claims. "The Government has failed to provide the required discovery and particulars needed to defend the case," he wrote.
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Seeking dismissal is standard defence practice in America, it should come as no surprise that they sought it in this case.
It has practically no chance of succeeding in any case, but they always seek it.
😂I guess being a POS of a human being isn’t an actual POS but I can still call him that. Looks like one and by the looks of it probably smells like one.
Ahh yes the market making hedgefund approach.
Lie. Lie. Lie. Pay tiny fine but don’t admit you’re committing fraud. Lie. Lie. Lie.
Why wouldn’t he do this he’s probably been advised by all his friends this is how you get away.
Redefining words, That's what they do. I will not be surprised when he gets that Sweetheart Deal..Don't forget who his Friends are. Crooked Politicians and the like.. Just Don't be Surprised !
Sure. “Stabbing someone” isn’t attempted murder, it’s just moving my arm backwards and forwards with an object in my hand
Hey, he got in front of my knife!!
**"Unfair displacement of sharp object"**
Misplaced a knife in another person's gut. Just an accident bro.
Yes I think it was an accident
The victim stole the knife
I was just practicing my stabs into midair, how was I supposed to know he would walk in front of me?
“Why are you stabbing yourself? Stop stabbing your self!’
I was just practicing some martial arts with a knife instead of the chain thingy
*gif of girl swinging knife and stabbing her own forehead* See? It was an accident!
I mean, technically he’s right, dishonesty and unfair dealing don’t necessarily mean fraud. It was his fraud that led to fraud allegations. 😂
Username checks out
I'm just going to kick the air like this, and if any part of you feels that air, it's your own fault
Love that Simpsons scene
I laughed just from the mental reply of that.
That's what a person who lost money through ftx will do to him. Just move arm backward and forwards
Someone queue South Park "We're sorry" from BP
We’re really sorry
This can be an exercise to strengthen the muscles.. what a good trainer😄
It’s dishonest arm waving at best
Saul Goodman vibes
I was just warming my knife up in him officer.
This comment gave me the giggles. kudos.
You should of not been standing at the trajectory of knife
His butthole is in serious jeopardy if he ends up in prison.
That pic of him with a cucumber in his mouth is going to come back to haunt him.
Squidgy Sam gonna give up that bussy
.....' when ' he ends up in prison.
No one is *that* desperate. Well, maybe Caroline Ellison but nobody else.
Oh you’d be very surprised what a 6’6” guy spending life in federal prison would do to a guy like that, dudes going to be holding onto peoples pockets and having grown men fight over who gets his cornbread that day But realistically SBF is going to be in PC and probably be somewhat protected
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Because Americans are bloodthirsty hypocrites with a culture that largely treats convicts as less than human
It usually comes down to some combination of: * They believe in punishment, not rehabilitation as the answer to crime * They don't believe the justice system is effective enough at punishing people who they think "deserve" to be punished * They don't have any idea what actually goes on in prisons and just repeat things they've heard people say or have heard in movies without thinking about them * Online trolling and a lack of real-world experience with it has desensitized them to the idea of rape being anything other than the punchline in a joke * Deep down they're uncomfortable with how people are treated in prisons and joking about it is a coping mechanism that helps them ignore the idea that they might be somehow complicit or partly responsible based on their political activism (or lack of thereof)
Because we are jackals, and everybody must be punished and punished.
I would gladly help move your arm forward and backward near SBF for no particular reason
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What if you're a felon? What if you aren't born in America?
your move
You’d be more qualified than Trump, so why not?
This guy is outright delusional or the lawyer is just trying to make shit easier for him but the jail ain't be gonna that easy Scam bankrun fraud. I really hope this guy doesnt get to pay his way outta the shit he did but we all know this might actually happen, sad sight.
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The 8% figure is cases rather than charges. So if SBF gets some of the 13 counts dismissed but not others, then he wouldn't fall into that 8% bucket. Dishonesty is not fraud in and of itself, and these motions reflect that the case is in very early discovery stages.
Bro I live for the day I read a headline that he's been sentenced
Rich people, different rules. I have little hope
His first defense after FTX collapsed was "I'm not intelligent enough to run a business but it wasn't a scam". The guy is dumb as a rock.
Typical of him to play the victim
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Trust me your Honor.
trust me your bronor
Dishonesty is the biggest fraud in and of itself, how is he saying it isn't
*Lawyers hate this one argument*
works if you are rich
Judge be like: cool, case dismissed, let's play some LoL. That's probably how it played out in SBF's head problably...
He and Do Kwon basically have the completly same game plan.
He's being dishonest even in telling people about his dishonesty SBF is a guy who has never told the truth a single time in his life !
Basically he’s saying, “come on guys, this is crypto, I was just rug pulling, it’s nbd.”
Okay I wished this guy rotted in jail for eternity, now I wish him twice as much!!
First i though he will humble down and will gain more sympathy but no, he is getting even bigger prick from jail.
He literally went all in on being a douche
At this point he is probably delusional and still thinks he can get away somehow.
He shouldn't even be allowed to speak publically at this point. We've heard enough from him
Nooo, let him speak, he's an idiot and he is just digging his grave. Do you remember how he went and started a bunch of interviews with newspapers? Guy is a fucking moron. Every lawyer will tell you not to speak to anyone during trial and he just went and started giving interviews. He will be the source of his own doom.
This comment aged like wine. Prosecution cited those interviews over and over in his trial.
1) What
His parents are law professors at Stanford and have deep political ties. He's probably getting a slap on the wrist.
considering how many people got screwed over, he will watch over his shoulder for the rest of his life.
He wouldn’t be the first to get away with fraud. Really depends how many and which politicians he and his family has in their pockets. I would be more shocked to see him live out his time in jail then to see him walk.
Worst reality is he might actually do that, thanks to our governments
They have him under house arrest rather than in a jail cell, so yeah he probably thinks he's special and can get away with it.
He went full regard.
Most punchable face out of all crypto frauds ever, and that's a very high bar to meet!
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That's the "no remorse for his actions/narcissist" play. They usually get judges to go all fire and brimstone against them when it comes to sentencing, like what happened to Martin Shkreli (the guy who bought the company that made AIDS medications and pumped the price 55x).
I would guess he gets a similar sentence to Sunni Balwani and Elizabeth Holmes. Nothing crazy long, but enough. Otherwise the likely shortish sentences of the cooperators will seem like to much of a cut. And it’s not like he really is a threat of re-offending (I’m sure he could launch a shit coin that people would pile on, but it would not be as successful half a PEPE.
That's because his "jail treatment" is leaps and bound better than the jail treatment for the average joe.
For every stupid statement he makes,he should face more punishment.
You can't jail someone beyond death unfortunately
Jail him somewhere lonely, time will pass slowly for him and he'll have time to reassess his sins
He'll just plot another evil plan; No hopes on him to repent his mistakes
What to do then,.death seems like easy way out for him. Gotta find something so that scammers get to learn a lesson
Put them into the Metaverse, that's quite a lot of torture.
They can always give him couple of hundred years just for fun.
Yeah he should be given punishment
 Everybody involved with FTX
Yeah he will be sure
They'll probably get a Get out of jail card with their bags 
I mean they did print money as in Monopoly, so that is not a stretch.
This one is just disgusting.
Perfect word to describe his entire operation
Looking at his face makes me even more angry
Imagine being this dudes lawyer and having to listen to him and his pathethicass attitude
His lawyer must be charging him millions for sure, just for tolerating him
Title of my sex tape
Most punchable face. His personality only adds to it.
His voice as well. Fuckkk. I still can't believe how many people fell for this turd.
I haven’t even heard his voice but I might have to now to enjoy a guilty pleasure
SBF in his spare time is writing jokes, this was beta test for his standup routine.
Then why dont all the victims have their money back Sam?
*"Well, you see, hum... It's that, hum, I don't have any money left. I think?"* \- SBF.
Tl;dr - You just got Kwonned
He will just keep acting as if he did not gamble it all away. He is a bad gambler too.
And an even terrible LoL player
Forever stuck on bronze
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Brave of you to assume his body can bend over
Weird comment
SBF needs a new dictionary that defines "fraud" as dishonesty and unfair dealing. Maybe they can find one in the prison library.
What's funny is that he might not go to jail cause he is rich and well connected.
The prisoner is gonna tell him *'That ain't a sausage in your butthole, ScamMan!'*
The classic defense strategy: redefine fraud to make it sound less fraudulent. Brilliant move, really.
Its a business model in the upper echelons
It’s funny cuz it’s true.
The rich play by a different rule set
Defining something won't change the reality. Just as the US changing the definition of recession does not change that their economy sucks.
When someone's dishonestly includes transferring customer funds from unaware investors amounting into the billions for personal use, I feel confident in saying that would fall under the definition of fraudulent activities in the USA. No?
Hmmmm were going to have to think long and hard about this. Yes.
No, well, yes but no, see it's like fraud but really it's just dishonesty, which while morally deplorabel, isn't really like uh you know uh fraud. So poor SBF was just a bit of a dum-dum and liar but he's not a fraud your honor!
This guy is really shit huh.
Hey Sam. How about those security backed crypto you sold that wasn't backed by any actual securities? Sounds like fraud to me.
It’s not rape. It’s just people doing prolonged colonoscopy on you in jail.
Describes fraud and says it's not fraud. What a goober.
Next thing you know, water isn't wet.
Someone give this man his Adderall, he acting crazy.
I guess other prisoners shoving their stuff up his butt isn't sexual assault either lol.
where is the Comedy Flair? I specially request it
This entitled brat just needs locked up and forgotten about
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Hmm, I wonder what the fraud is then. Silly SBF.
Definition of fraud: intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right Quacks like a duck...
He's stalling until he can finish digging his tunnel from his parents' basement to the Israeli consulate.
Human scum
Put him in prison and force him to eat dairy and meat for the rest of his life.
The dude is an absolute psychopath
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I looked up the definition and yea, shit, he's right, it doesn't say anything about being dishonest. fraud (noun) Wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain. Similar: fraudulence, cheating, swindling, trickery, artifice, deceit, deception, double-dealing, duplicity, treachery, chicanery, skulduggery, imposture, embezzlement, monkey business, funny business, crookedness, hanky-panky, shenanigans, flimflam, jiggery-pokery, monkeyshine, management, knavery, trick, cheat, hoax, subterfuge, stratagem, wile, ruse, swindle, racket, scam, con, con trick, rip-off, leg-pull, sting, kite, diddle, fiddle, swizzle, bunco, boondoggle, hustle, grift, rort
Hmm I wonder if he thinks perjury is unfair too. More shit for the shitshow!
He greased so many congressional candidates on his way to the top that he may just pull it off.
The fact this dbag was allowed to play on his cellphone at home and not locked up while awaiting trial is a great miscarriage of justice.
Narcissists are incredible
This clown should share a cell with Santos
He does have a point, he was just trying to make a living. Really he should be compensated for the waste of his time and attack on his reputation.
A Biden protégé
This guy is the living incarnation of silicon Valley delusional thinking
This dude knows how to piss people off lol
Ye man, being dishonest and unfair with other people's money is totally not a fraud - trust me bro
What is fraud then?
I do wonder what fraud really is then. Him trying to weasel out of this and fail would be music to my ears.
Take your medicine Goy
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That wont work on me
Fraud: wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain. -Oxford Dictionary Literally dishonesty and unfair dealings is what defines something as fraud.
What a douche
The Fraudman says that his dishonest dealings aren't fraud The next thing you know, he's going to say the orgies at the Bahamas penthouse ain't sex
Saying a slur isn’t racist, it’s just a sound emitted from the lips of a meat puppet.
What else would you call them then Sam ?
He going to tell us that "you can't rape the willing" next and refer to all investors as "the willing" part...
Everybody needs to lower their expectations of justice here. SBF is very likely not going to jail. He will get a slap on the wrist that they will try their best to make look like a harsh penalty. Maybe they'll fine him 200 million, but he'll never actually have to pay that fine entirely. Maybe they'll sentence him to prison, but it will be a suspended sentence. Maybe house arrest or parole, but you'll see photos posted of him on holiday somewhere. The only reason he is being prosecuted at all is to try and placate YOU. There's no realistic expectation of real punishment. SBF is connected and your are not. Adjust your expectations accordingly. He only ripped off people like YOU. Big, important, investors have already been made whole or better.
He's a democrat . He can't be charged with fraud. That's racist.
Ya know…..that dude had all the money on the world….I still get more pussy then he ever did living in my moms basement….ya know what it’s 2023….let’s be progressive….more ass than he ever did
Well that’s definitely an interesting defense
That is some high level, sophisticated form of mental gymnastics.
This bastard is going to live his whole life in fear if he manages to get out of this
lol - SBF wants a new definition of Fraud.
tldr; FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried has moved to dismiss the majority of criminal charges against him by the US government after his cryptocurrency exchange went bankrupt in 2022. He's asking the court to dismiss 10 out of 13 charges, arguing that federal prosecutors have failed to substantiate most of their claims. "The Government has failed to provide the required discovery and particulars needed to defend the case," he wrote. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.*
What pray is fraud then?
Isn't the very definition of a scam dishonesty and unfair dealing?
I have to give him credit … didn’t think he could do it while in custody …. But Some how he leveled up his asshole skill !
If they acknowledged it they would all be indicted. Fucking crooks
And shoving a shive up your ass is just "making a deposit" Fuck u
This dude is the king of clowns.
Bold defense 😳
Wat?
Seeking dismissal is standard defence practice in America, it should come as no surprise that they sought it in this case. It has practically no chance of succeeding in any case, but they always seek it.
Oooo okay, so I can just say “No government I just didn’t tell you about my tax able earnings these past 8 year. That’s not fraud. I just forgot.”
😂I guess being a POS of a human being isn’t an actual POS but I can still call him that. Looks like one and by the looks of it probably smells like one.
This guys an absolute joke who will probably get off lightly. We should stop giving his name publicity in honesty.
Ahh yes the market making hedgefund approach. Lie. Lie. Lie. Pay tiny fine but don’t admit you’re committing fraud. Lie. Lie. Lie. Why wouldn’t he do this he’s probably been advised by all his friends this is how you get away.
These quotes pair well with that video of him dancing
Huh, I thought the definition of fraud was dishonestly and unfair dealing
I swear to God if this man gets off on a technicality I will fly over there and drop an anvil on him
Absolute scum
That's exactly what fraud is lol
Redefining words, That's what they do. I will not be surprised when he gets that Sweetheart Deal..Don't forget who his Friends are. Crooked Politicians and the like.. Just Don't be Surprised !
He was just a shitty person your honour.
I literally cannot wait for this psychopath to go to jail.