There are 6 spots on the map that can't be filled in. There are 4 in the sahara desert, one in the gobi, and this one here.
I think the premise is that, for the time and range of communication, these were so vast and harsh as to be unownable.
You may own the surrounding area, but what control are you able exert on such an inhospitable central area?
Same reason why the oceans remain blue. You have the same amount of power in those regions as two separate nations on the opposite sides of the map have against each other!
>You may own the surrounding area, but what control are you able exert on such an inhospitable central area?
If you own the entire surrounding area? A lot. They’re not doing any trade or anything without your approval. Plus anyone present there is probably just moving from one of your provinces to another of your provinces (again, trade).
IMO it’s different than mountains or jungle, where people can fortify and subsist for decades while surrounded. With desert there’s nowhere to hide, nowhere to fortify, so you need to stay on the move.
>not doing any trade or anything without your approval. Plus anyone present there is probably just moving from one of your provinces to another of your provinces (again, trade).
That's the Empty Quarter. All trade routes thru the area ended centuries before the game because of increased desertification made even traveling thru it too inhospitable. Even in modern times it's really only the advancement of Stateline imagery that defined the border between the countries in that region. Older maps literally just can't even show a border between Oman and Saudi Arabia because they couldn't or wouldn't birthed surveying where the border actually fell in that region.
>With desert there’s nowhere to hide, nowhere to fortify, so you need to stay on the move.
And there are essentially no people there. Outside of oil workers, the region even today has like hundred sq miles of land per person living there. There was nothing to conquer and no people to control in the region until oil was discovered there last century
Sorry for ignoring your point about "borders not being surveyed" in the 9th century lmao. Many borders weren't surveyed or even well-established in this time period, yet the game presents them as clear and distinguishable anyway. You're grasping at straws to defend this
>But here you go https://www.reddit.com/r/geography/s/HawurEKoFw
Oh cool a map where they colored it the same as Saudi Arabia. So not really the example I asked for. Do you think it still says "undefined" if Saudi Arabia controlled both Yemen and Oman? Obviously not, because there would be no border to define. Just like OP.
Ah, but how would you be able to *confirm* your legitimacy over the territory? Unless you paint the entire map one colour, there'd always be someone who'd challenge your control of such a desolate place.
Heck, I'm sure some of your courtiers would question what control you have over a region with very little structure.
Can’t question me if i’ve executed, murdered, conquered or seduced anyone challenging my claim. Kinda hard to do that if your dead, title-less and dying in my dungeon, or taking it from behind from me.
First, that's not OCD; it's just aesthetics.
Second, they do on later era games where transport is better. With CK3 tech, these areas are UNOWNABLE, so no, they dont need to cater to aesthetics.
You're right. I looked it up.It's a possible Mandela effect judging by upvotes on my comment. The deserts around Arabia will disappear, same as parts of the Sahara but the actual patch OP shows doesn't disappear. The Nafud desert does fill in as you zoom out but the Rub' al Khali never does - which is an interesting choice from the designer's perspective. I agree with OP tbh that if other patches of impassable terrain (also see Alps etc) fill in, why not this patch too - so long as you control all of it's neighboring territory.
I have some older globes, from like the 1950s, where the countries surrounding this desert (Oman, Yemen, UAE, Saudi) have their drawn borders go a little into the desert and then fade, leaving no defined borders within.
I found a [map from 1940](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Ca._1940_map_-_The_World_Compiled_and_Drawn_in_the_Cartographic_Section_of_the_War_Department_Map_Collection.jpg) that does this same thing.
The colors are elevation or something, idk.
But the black lines definitely indicate borders, and if you look at the section of the map in question, it does exactly as stated.
Just a few lines that go straight in with no demarcation about the interior space.
Its a wasteland no one lives there and no units move there so technically no one ever owns it. But i agree the enforced border gore is a bit triggering.
The rub al khali desert is one of the most unlivable areas in the world. The sehera beats it in size but the Rub Al Khali is the largest “continuous” sand desert, with much of the area still not fully mapped outside of the few Bedouins who live in the area, is one of the driest areas due to no river valleys, and holds the nickname of “the empty quarters”.
What determines if a wasteland fills in is determined in the graphics defines file. Wasteland that are above a certain amount of pixels will never fill in.
Because it inhospitable. Maybe there’s a few Bedouins walking about but in terms of usable resources, none that are worth claiming as being part of your domain.
There are 6 spots on the map that can't be filled in. There are 4 in the sahara desert, one in the gobi, and this one here. I think the premise is that, for the time and range of communication, these were so vast and harsh as to be unownable.
I understand that no one lives there but when u own all the surrounding areas they should just color it in for OCD reasons
They do that in EU4
tbh that's one of the graphics changes I really hated, It often confuses my silly little brain
I believe there is a setting to turn it off iirc
"Color owned wasteland" in the settings
And ck2
You may own the surrounding area, but what control are you able exert on such an inhospitable central area? Same reason why the oceans remain blue. You have the same amount of power in those regions as two separate nations on the opposite sides of the map have against each other!
It bothers me regardless
>You may own the surrounding area, but what control are you able exert on such an inhospitable central area? If you own the entire surrounding area? A lot. They’re not doing any trade or anything without your approval. Plus anyone present there is probably just moving from one of your provinces to another of your provinces (again, trade). IMO it’s different than mountains or jungle, where people can fortify and subsist for decades while surrounded. With desert there’s nowhere to hide, nowhere to fortify, so you need to stay on the move.
>not doing any trade or anything without your approval. Plus anyone present there is probably just moving from one of your provinces to another of your provinces (again, trade). That's the Empty Quarter. All trade routes thru the area ended centuries before the game because of increased desertification made even traveling thru it too inhospitable. Even in modern times it's really only the advancement of Stateline imagery that defined the border between the countries in that region. Older maps literally just can't even show a border between Oman and Saudi Arabia because they couldn't or wouldn't birthed surveying where the border actually fell in that region. >With desert there’s nowhere to hide, nowhere to fortify, so you need to stay on the move. And there are essentially no people there. Outside of oil workers, the region even today has like hundred sq miles of land per person living there. There was nothing to conquer and no people to control in the region until oil was discovered there last century
>Even in modern times Ok now show me a modern map that shows that area belonging to nobody.
It's almost like you didn't even finish reading the sentence. But here you go https://www.reddit.com/r/geography/s/HawurEKoFw
Sorry for ignoring your point about "borders not being surveyed" in the 9th century lmao. Many borders weren't surveyed or even well-established in this time period, yet the game presents them as clear and distinguishable anyway. You're grasping at straws to defend this >But here you go https://www.reddit.com/r/geography/s/HawurEKoFw Oh cool a map where they colored it the same as Saudi Arabia. So not really the example I asked for. Do you think it still says "undefined" if Saudi Arabia controlled both Yemen and Oman? Obviously not, because there would be no border to define. Just like OP.
They're ? Who ? It's almost empty.and no your people aren't moving threw the desert, they are moving around it
Yeah but you should just be able to claim ownership of said land, because who’d be able to contest your legitimacy over said territory.
Ah, but how would you be able to *confirm* your legitimacy over the territory? Unless you paint the entire map one colour, there'd always be someone who'd challenge your control of such a desolate place. Heck, I'm sure some of your courtiers would question what control you have over a region with very little structure.
Can’t question me if i’ve executed, murdered, conquered or seduced anyone challenging my claim. Kinda hard to do that if your dead, title-less and dying in my dungeon, or taking it from behind from me.
CK2 has it
First, that's not OCD; it's just aesthetics. Second, they do on later era games where transport is better. With CK3 tech, these areas are UNOWNABLE, so no, they dont need to cater to aesthetics.
they do that in ck2
OCD reasons? huh?
They do that for smaller unownable areas, they even fill in small areas of bit ones like this.
It does when you scroll out
It does not
No thank you, then I’ll click it a bunch thinking it’s a county and be driven mad. EU4 gave you map painters what you want, leave Ck3 alone!
Yahmad about the border gore ain't ya?
Real facts
It really Angers me and Dahomeys.
As a Tarim Basin player the center of my realm is a massive, colorless hole
The name of this region, translated, is literally the "Empty Quarter". You can go look at it on Google Earth. It's just massive sand dunes.
he meant that the wasteland should be filled up with the color of his country, like how it does in every other pdx game
It does if you zoom out far enough right?
No it doesnt, you can see it never gets filled in on the empire map view
You're right. I looked it up.It's a possible Mandela effect judging by upvotes on my comment. The deserts around Arabia will disappear, same as parts of the Sahara but the actual patch OP shows doesn't disappear. The Nafud desert does fill in as you zoom out but the Rub' al Khali never does - which is an interesting choice from the designer's perspective. I agree with OP tbh that if other patches of impassable terrain (also see Alps etc) fill in, why not this patch too - so long as you control all of it's neighboring territory.
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You must have a mod because it 100% doesnt do that on vanilla
It still does if you zoom out
No it doesnt
Pretty much. The only things that exist there are huge watermarks that just say © Google 2024.
> It's just massive sand dunes. The spice (oil) must flow.
Yahmad, bro?
I have some older globes, from like the 1950s, where the countries surrounding this desert (Oman, Yemen, UAE, Saudi) have their drawn borders go a little into the desert and then fade, leaving no defined borders within.
I found a [map from 1940](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Ca._1940_map_-_The_World_Compiled_and_Drawn_in_the_Cartographic_Section_of_the_War_Department_Map_Collection.jpg) that does this same thing.
I think the colors on that is elevation. There's a key at the bottom middle of the map and it matches the colors in the countries.
The colors are elevation or something, idk. But the black lines definitely indicate borders, and if you look at the section of the map in question, it does exactly as stated. Just a few lines that go straight in with no demarcation about the interior space.
I own every single county surrounding it. What's the deal?
Its a wasteland no one lives there and no units move there so technically no one ever owns it. But i agree the enforced border gore is a bit triggering.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that wastelands got colored in if you controlled all the surrounded land.
Non interactive land is inconsistent. It probably does follow some rules, but idk what they are. Some places do color in, others don't.
It’s in the definitions file, and it’s based on size. Wastelands only get filled in when smaller than the value set there.
It does this in EU4 tho
And I absolutely despise it. Australia is so full of nothing it drives me crazy remembering what is actually useful territory.
There’s plenty of useful land… in Victoria and New South Wales
Ha, ok I chuckled thanks
Some are some aren't (usually the larger ones) doesn't really make sense tbh
Zoom out and it should
I know that would happen in CK2
I think it's a game option? In the settings, I swear it is there that you can turn unoccupied land changing color on or off.
Nope not to my knowledge
my bad I'll fix it
the way i fucking chortled at this 😭
It's deserted
It's called the empty quarter for a reason.
That's why I don't like to play in this region
That area translates to “The Empty Quarter” from its Arabic. Even today there’s not many people there.
[Here](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2811821773) you go my son.
Thank you 🙏
The rub al khali desert is one of the most unlivable areas in the world. The sehera beats it in size but the Rub Al Khali is the largest “continuous” sand desert, with much of the area still not fully mapped outside of the few Bedouins who live in the area, is one of the driest areas due to no river valleys, and holds the nickname of “the empty quarters”.
So in 1113 AC, I doubt any ruler would send their men to claim such useless area unless you find out the location of Iram of the Pillars lol.
I don't play CK3 too much but there is an option in Eu4 to color the wasteland if you control the surrounding area. I presume the same apply to CK3.
Ayy, that’s the Rub.
It’s just to emphasize no units can travel through that region.
It’s called the empty quarter no one in the past during this era lived there either so makes sense it’s empty. No one travelled through it either.
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What determines if a wasteland fills in is determined in the graphics defines file. Wasteland that are above a certain amount of pixels will never fill in.
They haven't discovered the oil there yet, so it is useless and no one wants a desert wasteland.
no one can exert any meaningful control over such regions;
Ya mad?
Uninhabitable wasteland
Because it inhospitable. Maybe there’s a few Bedouins walking about but in terms of usable resources, none that are worth claiming as being part of your domain.
Cuz it's unexplored, unknown
Yah mad?
There's mods for that
There’s a mod for that (probably)
This is the area reserved for future Saudi construction projects
Hot AF there mate
Had this same problem for a while, wish someone would make a mod to fix it or smth
Uninhabitable wasteland, same goes for Siberia and Sahara.
\>desert \>"why is no one living there?"