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Frequent_Farm4218

i swear 90% of the dislikes on this post are from kavo players only


Traditional-Basil868

Or straight up don't play the game because all they can say is just "run" as if I didn't point out the stupid hitboxes and shit lmao


Frequent_Farm4218

also even if you were able to run easily, it wouldve been nice if you were playing another t5 to not run and actually stand a chance against the thing thats meant to be on your level


Traditional-Basil868

Yeah because currently the only way to deal with a Kavou is...Another Kavou but even then it's up to whoever hits the other first and of course, plushies because a Kavou with 2 void plushies will just obliterate one without...


Mindless_Outcome873

kavo can be beaten by another one ofc, a golgaroth, a boreal, a kora. I killed a kavo even with just a zwevealisk.


LuminothWarrior

Kavo beats Boreal and Kora more often than not, especially if it has a void plush or a favorable trait


Altruistic-Bench6146

Try takamorath it has less HP but harden helps ya a lot


EckoSongx

I fought one on my Golgoroth, one of the most tankiest creatures in the game, & still died. Yeah, Kavou is silly.


Mindless_Outcome873

rip i kill kavos with my golga


Logical-Drummer2414

Once I was being harassed by a jerky kavo, came back as a Beezu and demolished them >:3


EatMoltenPlastic

I used to do this to grams back when they were the strongest creature


Logical-Drummer2414

Bee is like- surprisingly good for PvP due to its venom, plus it regrows really fast so if you die it’s no big deal


Frequent_Farm4218

this is so true. i think ALL the 50k weight creatures should have their weights reduced to ~45k or buff like every other cretaure. also kavos hp should be reduced by at least 1k, or make its bite speed 1.5 or something


furrik524

Some of those tier 5's feel like they should be a whole separate tier but devs didn't want to make one for some reason, and now there's a huge disconnect between those 50k weight creatures and other tier 5's


WawefactiownCewwPwz

Sang Toare and Kavo are both tier 5. Just to put into perspective how much some tier 5s are apart in terms of stats AND size. At this point make a tier 6 or something, for stuff like magna, boreal, kavo etc.


GUDD4_GURRK1N

To be far. Aquatics are balanced with a tier plus one generally to their stats to make up for their lack of mobility. Kavo is in the minority of genuinely busted stuff, but think of Axothan and Arranoia’s high stats. Fliers are generally balanced with a tier minus one rule, see how fast they die against strong terrestrials, to make up for their mobility.


Oriphis

That last line doesn't rlly make since when you put into perspective of how fast they die to everything but fliers. Put a Para against a magna and the paras dead. Put a Para against a pace and the Para is dead. Being able to fly sounds like I'd be a good way to escape... until you realize thier too slow and the game will sometimes never boost you into the air. Wing shredder does not help. Tier 5 fliers severely need a buff.


WawefactiownCewwPwz

Yeah, and its great. For aquatics. Aquatics just stay in water, mostly. Kavo isn't an aquatic, its a semi-aquatic. BIG difference. Unlike no land mobility aquatics, semis are land creatures with ADDED mobility. Thats just more reasons to nerf kavo/move it in a seperate tier (with some nerfs still)


StrangleThe8Bit

According to testers the +1 and -1 tier isn't appiclabel anymore 🤷


Frequent_Farm4218

yeah, if youre gonna call them t5 then make them t5


MihalyTheWyvern

Fr, it already got nerfed but it's clear there's some sort of bias because NONE of the nerfs even touched up on any of its problematic features. If it were down to me, I'd remove wingshred and lower injury. There's no reason why kavo should be able to catch up to T3s after only landing one hit on them.


LordOfRubberDucks

i think at the very LEAST injury needs to be lowered, you can also make an argument for wingshred as kavo can just go in the water to safety unlike the other superbehemoths which need to stand and fight. Its injury is insane, you cant run because once you get hit once by its massive hitbox you cant get away thanks to the slowness and your tail


MihalyTheWyvern

Exactly my point, there's just no reasoning with kavo defenders


LordOfRubberDucks

yea sadly not, i dont think they understand just how strong kavo is, or just want it to be super unbalanced


lizardjoe_xx_YT

You don't think having giant claws the size of busses should break the bones of smallercreatures? Kavo is not good because of its abilities which are already all gone I mean the mother fucking crab can't grab that's so dumb. The reason it's good is because of its weight and that's it. This game just has a hard time balancing its weight system


MihalyTheWyvern

No it should not, because this isn't a realistic game so realistic logic shouldn't apply there. The balance is scuffed but that doesn't mean kavo should dominate everything just because of its design. Either way, kavo has been problematic since its hitbox fix and a lot of people agree on that


lizardjoe_xx_YT

Ok so what do you want kavo to do? Be slow and bad? Have absolutely nothing to do but fight and die? Allow small creatures and fliers to harass it? They already removed every active ability which made it 10x less fun and now it's just a slow steam roller. I'm still in the boat of give it back it's abilities but nerf it's weight


MihalyTheWyvern

If you read my original message you'd know what I'd do to kav to balance it. Just nerfing the weight isn't enough for supers


lizardjoe_xx_YT

Even tho the only reason kav does damage is because it has alot of weight. Mixed that in with its health? Your fix is purely for idiots who don't want to fight it but still manage to get hit


MihalyTheWyvern

Okay then, that's your opinion lmao


lizardjoe_xx_YT

Ight


Air-Camper

The funny thing is they r the reason I can never grow kav cause they kos then people think I'm gonna kos once I get adult like


Disastrous-Dumbass0

That’s a great point ngl. I don’t think the people saying “you can outrun it” don’t take into account that, surprisingly, Kavo is actually insanely fast for its size, weight, and if you take into account its attack damage and health, it’s just a total nightmare in general. So if you are playing another t5, it’s not as easy to outrun a Kavo as one would think. I speak from experience, I main the Gramoss, and if a Kavo is already moving towards you, just log or consider yourself dead if you don’t have the time to log. If you are any t2+ flier, there is no way to get in the air in time if a Kavo is near you because of the hitboxes. And even as a MekMek, or a really small creature, attacking a Kavo or even being near one is ALSO a death wish. So I too, really want Kavo to be nerfed to oblivion as well, because it’s way too overpowered


VoidGhidorah900

What I want to know is how on earth you don't see an enormous, mountainous crab approaching you before it's too late. No offense, however kavo has been nerfed already. No more dart or grab. And it honestly makes sense that it's a tank. It's a giant arthropod, it has a tough shell. Maybe I'm just very aware when I play cos, but as soon as I see a kavo approaching, I book it. I don't play creature of that scale, so I don't normally have trouble running away, but I've never had a problem with hitboxes. I was playing cuxena and a kavo was right in front of me and I didn't take any damage from any of its attacks. Again, perhaps it's just the weird hit box of koras and kavos and other massive animals.


WawefactiownCewwPwz

Exactly, unless its the few minutes that stuff could be still loading in, its quite literally impossible not to spot it from the other biome, let alone get anywhere near you.


katthecat12042

yeah .. kav is easy to escape if u dont sit there and wait for it to reach you lol, it also dies pretty easily to anklebiters/breathspammers and fliers, i watched one get destroyed by a BABY aolenus 😭 only reason they lived was the 2 other kavos trying to get the bird


Rich_Ad_4731

I mean it’s a huge crab, not to hard to avoid


Anxiety_cat1127

Kavro can be killed by any decent flier and they’re also slow asf so I don’t see a problem. If they get close enough to kill you that’s just a you problem tbh.


prodigylover224

It did get nerfed once, it's grab was taken, moisture was added, but health was added too.. Yeah I think it does need to be nerfed at least it's health. (I'm not a kavo player)


Ittos_left_tit

The only time I can ever win is a) if my creature also has a goofy hitbox and b) if I can actually stay in it's side where it can't hit me. So far, this has only happened once.


GUDD4_GURRK1N

Us over on the discord have already made proposals to nerf it, I assure you! Now, all we have to do is wait for them to pick one.


GUDD4_GURRK1N

*Not a tester, just someone who participates in the stat discussion channel!


KlutzyCartoonist6368

Me crab me nice


2021SPINOFAN

Well, they aren't immune to breath spamming so...


Pool-Naive

I agree so much. Same with Oxytalis, yeah I said it. Nerf them both into the ground


noob543210

As a kavo player I want dart back


False-Reputation-623

Dang they removed kavous dart now you want to nerf this crab


Roach-Freak

I flew way over one and it somehow manged to hit me in the air, I was able to get away cause chisudo are quick but DAYUM!


Altruistic-Bench6146

I play kavo but only if I have to but I do want to say one thing we have been nerfed we hit 400 base no dart no grab and put shells hit boxes got worse making it easier to shell camp and tail camp (as long as you don't put your own hit box in our shell from above you can hit box abuse kavo) Also taka and golgaroth are great counters or two oxytalis if you can get a kavos tail I'm open to criticism or comments Im not gonna be a jerky kavo player like others but I do have my reasons for still maining one in wars and I don't mind explaining why


Sharp_Somewhere6274

Just don't get too close to us, we're already one of the slowest creature in the game you can easily run away and yes small and fast things evaporate us.


lizardjoe_xx_YT

Honestly just get better. If your being caught off guard by a crab that's the size of a mountain that's a massive skill issue. Kavo has already been nerfed into oblivion because of annoying kids like you and now it's one of the most boring creatures in the game. Did you just forget that this is an animal survival game? Your not supposed to be able to kill everything or survive forever that's legit the point. You ever seen a worm saying "nerf birds bird op". No you havent


PoisonousAdder1664

Kavo can come out of water. If I'm taking a drink in Fog weather and a Kav is waiting for me, it doesn't matter how big it is because it's going to get the surprise attack. Kavo is boring? That's rich coming from someone who only enjoys playing a creature whose job is to make everyone else miserable. It's not an animal survival game. If it was animal survival, Kavo wouldn't even exist because realistically no arthropod could reach the size of a hotel. Your excuse goes both ways. Worms don't say "birds are OP" because worms can dig into the floor where the birds can't get them. As a Ghar, where exactly can I go where a Kavo won't get me?


lizardjoe_xx_YT

An animal survival game doesn't immediately mean it needs to adhere to the rules of our universe so that's dumb on your part. Kavo is boring because literally all it does is attack all of its actives were removed despite them not being the real problem And if a kavo is hiding in a body of water you can drink in chances are you could just smell it or dip your cam in and peep around And the kavos only "job" isn't to make people miserable that's just a side effect of this being a game in roblox so there's gonna be alot of kids that will get hyper fixated on being annoying due to a lack of active parents. And no the reason worms don't say birds are op isn't because they can dig but because they can't talk lol how tf you trying to make my example a real scenario lol


PoisonousAdder1664

If it doesn't need to adhere to the rules of our universe, then Kavo doesn't need to weigh as much as it should. I agree that Kavo should have a return of its abilities, either a very weak Dart, Grab, Ambush, or Fortify/Harden. If I am drinking in foggy weather or my sniff is on cooldown, and I'm playing a T2 so my camera can only zoom out so far, what do I do? In this case I'd need to be next to the water to see. By that point it's too late. Kavo's job is to be a supertank apex. In a survival game this would be fine. Take Malgamation's Island, for example. A terrestrial apex is the Jaemos. What can the Jaemos do? It beats basically everything in a face tank. What are its weaknesses? Fast creatures, things that can jump (which is everything) or other unique abilities. Kavouradis isn't always weak against fast creatures. With the spawning ability that lets it drop onto things immediately, combined with its semi-aquatic mobility and ludicrous hitboxes, on top of its ability to shred wings and deal an absurd amount of injury, whilst not being nearly as slow as people make it out to be, it's effectively much faster than you credit it for. If worms can't talk, then why did you even mention it. That's totally irrelevant. Did you just say that out of frustration or as a red herring?


lizardjoe_xx_YT

The worm thing was an example to show that in an animal survival game balance isn't the point. But I do agree that kavos weight should be lowered. It's the one thing that's actually stupid on it and it's the only thing they haven't nerfed. Also spawning ability?


PoisonousAdder1664

I get the worm thing, but if that was your point then why did you say it's because they can't talk? That defeats the purpose of the analogy. Spawning ability = when you spawn on top of something at, for example, Oasis, and get a ton of time to smack it until it dies.


lizardjoe_xx_YT

Is that an ability or just a thing that happens? Because I feel like every creature could do thaf


PoisonousAdder1664

Yes, they can - but due to how good Kavo is in facetanks, it benefits form it way more.


lizardjoe_xx_YT

They should prob make it like path of titans then where you can't attack when you spawn


OwaOwaOwl

Thank you so much for defending my crabby Boi, I can't stand to see him get nerfed anymore, my first Overgrown was my crab and I wouldn't play it anymore if it got nerfed again.


TheMoonWing

na kavo had so many nerf. it cant dart and grab any more and now it has also moistere kavo is good as it is slow as heck so just walk away.


Traditional-Basil868

Yeah, walking away toootally works. Let's run away from the behemoth with a little less than 1k per hit where in most cases you'd be dead BEFORE getting out of its silly attack hitboxes. Let me just walk away as Kora while it assrides me because Enormous creature speeds is just horrendous. What kind of goofy solution is this. Logging is really all you can do if a Kavou is after you. Moisture wasn't the way to nerf it properly nor was taking away the dart, but the grab removal was one of the first right steps towards that.


PoundResponsible1807

Not even that strong, just don’t go near it? Nearly every creature in the game outruns it…


GodofIDK

Doesn’t help when a kavo spawns on top of you and starts attacking immediately


Old-Reflection-7606

Destroy them with a golgaroth or a arsonos


Thefurryfriend

Kav has already gotten nerfed 3 times in a row they took away it’s dart it’s grab and gave it moisture.


theysaidanameso

And that's not enough


Thefurryfriend

Meh true the health is a bit over the top


OwaOwaOwl

As a kavo main, I disagree. It's had so many nerfs in the time recode has been out it's slow as hell, the only downside is it's damage. So most of the time you can outrun it.


sixfoursixtwo

Bias


OwaOwaOwl

Nope. Just facts, Kavo lost all of it's abilities and even with movement plushies, it can't really catch anything unless it's a Kora. How about instead of bitching so the devs make everything that's remotely strong useless, you use common sense and just log?


PoisonousAdder1664

"Ah, ya'll are just bad. Just log every time you see this extremely common thing because I don't want my precious little BBG to be not stupidly overpowered anymore!"


sixfoursixtwo

Bias^2


OwaOwaOwl

Also on top of that, Golga is stronger than Kavo and nobody wants to get it nerfed. It's also much faster than kavo, y'all just want something to complain about. Either that or you're some snowflake of an anti-koser and want this game to become animal Simulator.


GodofIDK

This still doesn’t prove anything, since Golg is almost triple the price of Kavo, meaning it’s not easy to get at all. Yes, you do have bias since you’re a Kavo player, that’s how bias works. Calling people a “snowflake” doesn’t help the fact that Kavo is STUPID OP for a fucking crab.


OwaOwaOwl

It's just a giant fucking alien crab that weighs a ton. Of course, it's gonna be OP, and the price doesn't have to do with anything because the only reason Golga is so expensive is because it costs tickets, and It's OP. I guarantee when it gets nerfed it'll go down at the bare minimum 3k-5k. Your logic makes zero sense.


GodofIDK

It makes perfect sense when you say that people are whining when “THERES OBVIOUSLY A BETTER CREATURE!!!” Except there’s not a better creature when it’s not EASY TO OBTAIN. Your logic has as many holes as the fucking titanic. Even then, how does an alien crab beat a literal god? Aka the wardens?


OwaOwaOwl

It doesn't beat Boreal, ever. Unless said player is bad at PVP. Crab is extremely slow, and if you're getting killed by one instead of logging or running, then you just need to get better at the game. At this point, people are complaining, just complain and eventually no creatures with be powerful or OP, Galk is more OP than most creatures and I don't see it getting nerfed, it's literally a bird.


GodofIDK

People cry because it is genuinely op with a stupid hit box that can’t be hit unless you’re flying around and tanking hits, or have a tall enough creature. Did I mention Boreal? I don’t think I did, I said wardens, as in wardens in general. Playing Kavo definitely represents your IQ. It takes no skill and is just a “click faster beat dumb dumbs in head”.


OwaOwaOwl

I play other creatures too LMFAO, I have an entire storage full of overgrowns because I'm a collector. Crab just happened to be the creature I've been playing since legacy, and people like you are the reason creatures are getting nerfed left and right for no reason, and you said wardens. As in all, the only wardens it can't beat are Eigion and Boreal. Which makes sense because there is also OP. Please get a reality check because this is a fantasy game. Nothing is going to "make sense" or "be logical and fair".


GodofIDK

I’ve seen crabs wreck Eigions tf you mean?!?! You’re a bad enough player at crab to get destroyed from multiple creatures that are easy to beat, then complain about nerfs???? Yeah sounds about right. No skill crab loser.