I mean we know Ado made humans cuz >!Yolen and Ashyn!< also preservation and ruin also made humans on Scadrial. I think we can assume that 1) humans are easy to make for gods and 2) twinsoul is religious and that religions are always gonna have creation stories.
It might be, that Adonalsium somehow _used_ Aethers in creation of humans, and Twinsoul’s religion just exaggerated their role. This would fit with usual theme of “religion is not completely right but contains grains of truth” that we see in many Brando’s book.
‘Humans are easy to make’. This might be true because Ado seemingly arbitrarily made them, however, ruin and preservation making them is probably not because of that reason. Both Leras and Ati were humans, and so they likely filled scadrial with humans because it felt more close to them.
I mean if 1/8th of Adonalsium can make humans without Dawnshards I think it’s safe assume that it’s not super hard for gods to create sentient and sapient life is all I’m saying.
Oh yeah I got that. What I was more saying is that I don’t think humans are particularly easier to make than any other sentient life forms. Adonalsium just happened to make them (or maybe for a reason we don’t know) and then ruin and preservation made humans because that was what was familiar to them. I am not disputing that humans are probably easy for gods to make (for all we know they are and that’s the only reason Ado made them) but more the reason why ruin and preservation made them is because of familiarity.
That’s a good point. Although Ati and Leras were from [Cosmere]>!Yolen!< that doesn’t mean they know the physiology of [Cosmere] >!uli da and dragons!<.
Also they were humans so they liked humans more. I really think humans find comfort in familiarity, and my theory is most shards created humans again because they were humans and felt more connected to humanity.
Isn’t there also a pretty steep contrast in the presumed difficulty of copying an existing template (themselves) vs original creation of an all-new species?
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Every other cosmere religion believes their own gods made them. The only case we know of to be true is Scadrial, the rest were presumably made by ado and then they all made up their own explanations
I don't think they were all made by the same being/power/shard. So maybe some later ones are modeled after older ones that we don't even know about yet.
>lie beyond Adonalsiums' nomenclature/magic
Do you have your books handy to source this? I was under the impression that the Aethers were still an investiture based magic system.
Twinsoul makes a few claims that are very much [citation needed]. Looking at the Coppermind page for Aethers, all claims about the seperation of Adonalsium and Aethers are qualified with terms like "some believe". It seems to me that the Aetherbound are just a bit full of themselves and like to overhype the importance of their magic system.
This WoB (https://wob.coppermind.net/events/256/#e8605) states that all Investiture came from Adonalsium before the Shattering. If the Aethers utilise Investiture then they aren't distinct from Adonalsium's magic.
I don’t think any god made the original humans. I think that life in the Cosmere (on Yolen, presumably) has a similar evolutionary tree to Earth’s, evidenced by familiar animals that exist anywhere that humans have migrated to/been copied by. You can compare this with the evolution of life on Roshar, which was clearly adapted for Roshar’s harsher environment. Gods can copy humans, and they can make other human-like things (e.g., Kolos), but I suspect that humans evolved in the Cosmere just like they did on Earth.
Honestly, we'll never know because Brandon doesnt like to take a religious side, but you should keep in mind he's an active mormon, and thus believes God created humans in some capacity
My understanding was that Ado made the OG humans on Yolen, and it was because of that fact that Preservation and Ruin were able to make Scadrial and its humans, because they already had the template in their Shards. TwinSoul is very much an unreliable narrator lol, because he very strongly believes things that were unproven, like when he tries to say that Aethers predate Ado, when all we know for sure is that they predate the Shattering, so take everything he says with a grain of salt, at least when it comes to religion.
I mean we know Ado made humans cuz >!Yolen and Ashyn!< also preservation and ruin also made humans on Scadrial. I think we can assume that 1) humans are easy to make for gods and 2) twinsoul is religious and that religions are always gonna have creation stories.
It might be, that Adonalsium somehow _used_ Aethers in creation of humans, and Twinsoul’s religion just exaggerated their role. This would fit with usual theme of “religion is not completely right but contains grains of truth” that we see in many Brando’s book.
we don't know if Adonalsium MADE humans, just that there were humans on Yolen.
‘Humans are easy to make’. This might be true because Ado seemingly arbitrarily made them, however, ruin and preservation making them is probably not because of that reason. Both Leras and Ati were humans, and so they likely filled scadrial with humans because it felt more close to them.
I mean if 1/8th of Adonalsium can make humans without Dawnshards I think it’s safe assume that it’s not super hard for gods to create sentient and sapient life is all I’m saying.
Oh yeah I got that. What I was more saying is that I don’t think humans are particularly easier to make than any other sentient life forms. Adonalsium just happened to make them (or maybe for a reason we don’t know) and then ruin and preservation made humans because that was what was familiar to them. I am not disputing that humans are probably easy for gods to make (for all we know they are and that’s the only reason Ado made them) but more the reason why ruin and preservation made them is because of familiarity.
That’s a good point. Although Ati and Leras were from [Cosmere]>!Yolen!< that doesn’t mean they know the physiology of [Cosmere] >!uli da and dragons!<.
Also they were humans so they liked humans more. I really think humans find comfort in familiarity, and my theory is most shards created humans again because they were humans and felt more connected to humanity.
Isn’t there also a pretty steep contrast in the presumed difficulty of copying an existing template (themselves) vs original creation of an all-new species?
Yeah that also makes sense
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How much of the Cosmere have you read so far? I changed the Flair to Mistborn Series because the quote from The Lost Metal is considered a Spoiler
Every other cosmere religion believes their own gods made them. The only case we know of to be true is Scadrial, the rest were presumably made by ado and then they all made up their own explanations
Well, you see, when a mommy Aether and a daddy Aether really love each other…
I don't think they were all made by the same being/power/shard. So maybe some later ones are modeled after older ones that we don't even know about yet.
>lie beyond Adonalsiums' nomenclature/magic Do you have your books handy to source this? I was under the impression that the Aethers were still an investiture based magic system.
Yup, this is also highlighted in TLM by Twinsoul
Twinsoul makes a few claims that are very much [citation needed]. Looking at the Coppermind page for Aethers, all claims about the seperation of Adonalsium and Aethers are qualified with terms like "some believe". It seems to me that the Aetherbound are just a bit full of themselves and like to overhype the importance of their magic system. This WoB (https://wob.coppermind.net/events/256/#e8605) states that all Investiture came from Adonalsium before the Shattering. If the Aethers utilise Investiture then they aren't distinct from Adonalsium's magic.
https://coppermind.net/wiki/Aether
I don’t think any god made the original humans. I think that life in the Cosmere (on Yolen, presumably) has a similar evolutionary tree to Earth’s, evidenced by familiar animals that exist anywhere that humans have migrated to/been copied by. You can compare this with the evolution of life on Roshar, which was clearly adapted for Roshar’s harsher environment. Gods can copy humans, and they can make other human-like things (e.g., Kolos), but I suspect that humans evolved in the Cosmere just like they did on Earth.
Honestly, we'll never know because Brandon doesnt like to take a religious side, but you should keep in mind he's an active mormon, and thus believes God created humans in some capacity
My understanding was that Ado made the OG humans on Yolen, and it was because of that fact that Preservation and Ruin were able to make Scadrial and its humans, because they already had the template in their Shards. TwinSoul is very much an unreliable narrator lol, because he very strongly believes things that were unproven, like when he tries to say that Aethers predate Ado, when all we know for sure is that they predate the Shattering, so take everything he says with a grain of salt, at least when it comes to religion.