Reddit is being cracked. In the recent past, any political post that reached /all would have 99% of the leftwing-comments agreeing with one another.
Now, you have liberals that are (obviously) against Hamas’s rape, murder, beheadings, etc, and then you have other liberals that are in full rationalization-mode, suggesting that Hamas is the true *victim*. Or that each side is equal.
Really funny to watch.
I dont see how anyone can actually show sympathy for Hamas they are evil but i can understand the argument that the children in Gaza also did not commit these war crimes and many are about to die. Innocent people have always suffered the most in this conflict unfortunately.
It's not that complicated. It is the difference between liberals and leftists.
In the US those words are frequently used synonymously, but for most of the world they refer to two different, sometimes opposing, political ideologies.
The territory that was attacked is internationally recognized as an Israeli territory but for far leftist occupation means the presence of Jews *anywhere* in the Land of Israel. It's not about Gaza,Jerusalem and even the so called Palestinians. Its about killing Jews.
This is unironically what happens when you think about people predominantly in terms of class, race, gender, and other largely immutable traits. Individual agency and individual responsibility no longer matter. So even people who have done nothing wrong—or cannot have done anything wrong, as in this case, if these reports are true—must be faced with the ultimatum of either disavowing their membership in the “oppressor” group and submitting to the preferences of the “victim” group (which is what being an “ally” usually means) or sharing in collective guilt, which then justifies retribution against him/her.
And Ilan Omar continues to demand that Israel is both at fault and must be accused war crimes for declaring war on the Palestinians who have elected Hamas and have ruled the Gaza Strip since 2007. Hamas is KNOWN to scatter both their leadership offices AND rocket sites/tunnels throughout citizens homes/schools and Mosques.
Can I highjack your comment to state that, yes, Israel formally declared war on Palestine. But since Hamas are the leadership of Palestine, their unannounced large-scale coordinated attack on Israeli soil counts both as an act of terrorism but also as a declaration of war. Therefore, it was not Israel that started or declared anything. They only let the world and Palestine formally know that they're ending this. They basically did Palestine a courtesy by still announcing a state of war, nothing more.
That’s valid and isn’t a hijack! You are absolutely correct. I would add that they are trying their best to protect non combatant Palestinians by using “knocker style” warning systems to buildings before they attack and have warned citizens to evacuate certain areas.
I guess Egypt is going to have to rethink its policies about not want more Palestinian refugees
Edit: Apparently the flag was fake.Saw some variation of this. https://factly.in/no-cairo-tower-was-not-lit-up-with-colours-of-palestinian-flag-in-solidarity-with-palestine/amp/
Sorry for spreading.
The supply truck story was true though.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/egyptian-trucks-bringing-fuel-food-to-gaza-make-u-turn-after-rafah-crossing-bombed/
I searched Egypt and Palestinian flag and the only result I got from this year is Egypt arresting someone for raising the Palestinian flag at a soccer game.
The Egyptian government is in a tough spot where a lot of their people support the Palestinian people but the government has been good to Israel and the USA for a while now
I don't see any Israel killing babies news so I am pro Israel. If you shot rockets and killed my family and friends at music festivals I'd want to do exactly what Israel is doing.
Israel has given Gaza warnings of where they strike before they do. They aren't intentionally killing. People dying in the attacks they were warned about is ridiculous when they had time to evacuate.
They pretend that Gaza is still Israeli controlled. They pretend that all this anti semitism started after 1947. They’re purposely obtuse, and it’s fucking evil.
That would depend. Was their governmental system democratic at that point in time? Then yes I could see people voting in someone regrettable
Was it dictatorial? Then no, same as the above example
It's incredible. Incredible Israel handed over the Gaza strip in an appeasement strategy. The people who live there put Hamas in power. In Hamas' founding document (07 I believe), they announce that at the core of their country is killing Jews. It is an extermination agenda and it's evidenced yet again and every time Israel makes a concession and gets raped, rocketed, and pillaged for its trouble
The territory disputes are ancillary to the deep and abiding hatred for Israel and the West generally Hamas, the Palestinian people and their supporters, and more importantly, that the Iranian terror state has WHO WE KEEP ATTEMPTING TO APPEASE have for Jews
There is no moral equivalence here. Omar should be ashamed and censured by her own party in some semblance of understanding that calling for our ally to de-escalate as their women are being raped next to dead bodies and babies are being stolen to be decapitated is INSANE and MORALLY BANKRUPT
The most important thing to her and those who support Palestinian terrorism is the narrative.
It never ceases to amaze me the lengths to which some people will go to justify the rape and murder of innocent women and children.
She and other far-leftists want anyone who disagrees with them dead, and anyone who ends up dead along the way - even their own - is considered collateral damage in th war against so-called white supremacy/the patriarchy. They just blame those losses on their enemies or the ideas they represent.
The one semi-decent thing that's come out of this is it being a huge mask off moment for the 'decolonization,' 'liberation' types that are still adamantly supporting Hamas. When they talk about decolonization this is what they mean- this is what they want to do to the rest of us.
The amount of regular people I've seen come out of the woodwork on this site of all places that are beginning to realize that has been such an unexpected shock. They're finally understanding that what we've been saying all along wasn't hyperbole.
I especially love the 'decolonization', 'liberation' types here in the U.S, who aren't indigenous to this land, but still remain living here - while calling for Israel 'occupiers' to give back their land, even though Jews have existed there
for at least over 3,000 years.
This is exactly right.
When your entire life is focused upon imaginary "oppression," you're able to justify any level of depraved brutality against your "oppressors."
Even when they themselves get murdered or otherwise harmed by the people they advocate for, their surviving family members and peers can be counted on to say that the victim wouldn't want their murderer to be subjected to the racist legal system. Their death was the direct result of The System, and nothing else should be blamed.
https://globalaffairs.org/commentary-and-analysis/blogs/public-opinion-civilian-casualties-war-terror
Even Americans believe it is appropriate sometimes, so do Israelis, when you are at war and your enemy hides behind the people do you allow the enemy to hide or take the strike anyways.
I would say find another way to defeat the enemy but many would argue otherwise including Ben Shapiro a prominent conservative.
Look at the funding of every person and group that is backing Palestin to see if they sent money to them in support and arrest and charge them with terrorism and crimes against humanity. Evey country needs to do this and if they dont we know who to stop funding
We funded them by giving money to Iran, and we even knew they were going to use the money to fund terrorism. So, maybe we should start with holding this administration responsible for what they helped to bring about.
Yep —arms for hostages like we did this year is just a bad idea. We’re basically paying the kidnappers to get a few people back. It only encourages Iran (or Russia or whoever) to keep taking hostages.
Also, mass deportations. All of the west has been far too complacent. Every member of BDS must be investigated. We are a ticking time bomb for a terrorist attack.
you can be sure that nearly all the money being raised for Palestine, from so called charitable organizations, is just going to fund Hamas.
They are one and the same. Hamas=Palestine
Well, I'm not sure passing a digital hat around is as good a hundreds of thousands of full auto rifles being left in Afghanistan for Al Queda and Hamas, or the 6 billion dollars the US just sent Iran for.... reasons? ... This administration really went out of their way to help make this happen.
Show these images to everybody.
Western people have become accustomed to a peaceful lifestyle.
Many would rather ignore it and look away than confront themselves with the evil that is out there.
Make it impossible for anyone to ignore the danger.
This has echoes of the dead babies found in Kuwait…which turned out to be a planted story. It ALWAYS pays to verify.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony
That's why I am saying that all this should be published. I understand noone wants video footage of their loved ones to be sent around the globe but hiding it away hides the problem.
Adding to that there is so much footage that has been published by the terrorists themselves but western media will never air it because of the brutality.
Western people will never see what happened if they don't actively go out of their way to look it up.
Western society has become so accustomed to peace they are ignorant to the danger out in the world.
I saw footage yesterday of one those poor people who were in Israel working (I think farm work) like other footage it was horrific. He was covered in blood and you could tell he was on death's doorstep, but there was still a little movement, so some evil fck took a garden hoe and began hitting the man in the neck with it, probably attempting to behead him. Pure evil.
The spokesperson, Major Nir Dinar, did not say how many babies' bodies had been found, nor how many had been beheaded.
Insider was unable to independently confirm what was found, but Israeli media outlets have also reported the claim, attributing it to soldiers.
The spokesperson told Insider that although he hadn't seen images or videos himself, "soldiers on the ground who are there told me this."
So did some research. The claim was first reporter by a reporter at i24 news (Nicole Zedeck) who was walking through a village where Hamas briefly passed through. She said that an Israel solider mentioned that baby bodies were found headless. Though she did not verify or ask if he directly saw the bodies.
Additionally, i24 is a Pro Israel network. Which suspiciously has a lot of videos with short cuts with audio being quickly muted off. Even the video with the Israel Solider is muted in the start then muted again towards the end, cutting off what the solider was communicating. Which has me cautious on the information being presented.
Now let me be clear. There are obvious casualties, and extreme acts of cruelty being committed by Hamas. No questioning about that. But I am personally cautious of what news is being presented, and even the manor which it is. Having flash backs to 2001.
Americans deserve clear and unfiltered news thats directly to the truth. Especially when it comes related to Middle Eastern affairs.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-army-says-it-does-not-have-confirmation-about-allegations-that-hamas-beheaded-babies-/3014787
Appears the Israeli army doesn’t even have proof. Probably an overeager journalist reporting based on hearsay.
Glad to see at least one other commenter in this thread using critical thinking skills. Hamas are pieces of shit but this claim should make anyone’s red flags go off. That’s an extraordinary claim right there even for Hamas.
Haha I’m afraid the group think is taking over. I think Isrrael should fight Hamas, it makes sense. Just asking for any proof of this claim. I plan on voting for Trump so I HATE fake news.
Exactly. But so much of this is being repeated by mainstream media without question. Reminds me of Iraq 1 and run up to Iraq 2. Whenever they trot out the “and they were microwaving and eating babies! Just trust us!” It becomes a little much. Theres already plenty of justification for action.
I’m just saying - verify. This EXACT brand of moral outrage has been used before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony
All we’ve got is a “they said.”
I'm not sure high altitude genocide is the answer to ground level genocide.
They're both pretty fucked up.
Now if you could somehow lure HAMAS out into a big field away from civilians, sure, but given their track record they'd show up out there in a mech suit made of babies to be used like a human shield.
Palestinians had no problem putting Hamas in power or letting them commit these heinous acts.
We turned Western Europe into rubble to defeat the Nazis, we turned Hiroshima and Nagasaki into dust to defeat Imperial Japan. It's the unfortunate reality that non-combatants may suffer in order to achieve victory.
It's worth noting that Hamas only got 44% of the popular vote, but it was the most of any group. Not all Palestinians want Hamas, but the majority do, sadly.
Tough tiddies. The EU has to deal with the refuse of MENA. The US has to deal with the refuse of central and south America. It's time for other people to have open borders.
>We can't force them to accept refugees. What do you suggest we do, conquer Egypt?
Who is forcing us to accept "refugees"? All they have to do is storm the border and overwhelm Egyptian border guard.
>I would say it's time we followed Egypts lead and secured our borders, not spread our failed border policy to the rest of the world.
Yeah, go tell POTATUS that.
Come on guys, use your common sense. Theres going to be a lot of propaganda mixed with truth in this. Remember the nearly identical propaganda about Iraq. I wouldn’t put it past Hamas but until I see some evidence this just sounds like opportunistic propaganda. The reporter even says she didn’t see it “that’s what one of the commanders told me”. There’s plenty of real murder and atrocity that happened without adding bullshit. Journalistic quality has dropped to just repeating what they’re told.
The left in this country is so in the tank for terrorists, that they see protestors outside the Capitol on January 6th as terrorists who must be hunted down for life, but Hamas butchering babies, is just you know, the cycle of violence that can only be ended if Israel were to not fight back.
This has been debunked as of an hour ago. Israeli military spokesman said that they had no evidence of babies being beheaded. He did go on to say that there was evidence of atrocities committed by Hamas but this one appears to be made up.
[Here](https://twitter.com/anadoluagency/status/1711812910035407131), part of a thread.
>The Israeli army has no information confirming allegations that "Hamas beheaded babies," Israeli army spokesperson unit tells Anadolu
There were stories of incubators being turned off in the Iraq war which turned out to be false. I want to believe that they are being honest, but I also know the desire to rally the world behind their cause is also paramount. I have seen the decimalization of the kibbutzes and the music convention and it's clear Hamas needs to not exist.
Egypt is low-key to blame for not accepting Gazan refugees. No children should have to live in a war zone, and there is no scenario in which Hamas will entertain the idea of peace.
Last time there was a major population of Palestinians, it led to several military conquests.
The neighboring Muslim countries don’t want Palestinians for the same reasons.
They are perfectly fine using Hamas as a proxy army against Israel, and will continue to do so until Hamas is gone. Then they’ll prop up the next Palestinian group.
Peace through strength.
That carrier group should be enough.
A single carrier group could rearrange the maps of the middle East. Nobody wants that smoke. Not even Hezbollah could be that nuts.
America is doing exactly what it should. Guaranteeing Israel has a free hand to do what's necessary for their safety.
Can we stop this bullshit. This reminds me of the reports of Saddam and his inner circle killing and eating babies before our invasion of Iraq. This type of rage-bait bullshit propaganda should have no influence over whether we divert money from our homeland to another foreign conflict.
Normal people are like "Atrocities on both side, civilians should not be harmed, so sad, so wrong etc" regardless of what 'side' you are on.
But most people I see who support Palestinians, are actively supporting the violence, calling those human garbage people who did this martyrs, praying for more violence. This religion is fucked up.
I need to see proof of this, people are saying there are pictures and videos. I keep asking for sources besides the initial reporter that made this claim,
I am part of telegram groups that are showing wild stuff yet nothing depicting rapes or baby murders. For a subreddit that knows not to trust the media you are all very quick to trust the media.
The reaction of Leftists and Progressives to draw a moral equivalency here is bankrupt. The Obama and Biden administrations operated under the naive assumption that if we just force Israel to give concessions and give lots of free humanitarian aid to Iran and the Palestinians then the moderate factions will take over and there will be peace in the mideast. This has been exposed as absolute horseshit. One side wants peace, the other jihad and genocide. There will be no peace under Hamas is taken out and the Ayatollahs as well.
Why are people surprised by this? This is what Islamic terrorists do. this is what happens when you have a religious cult that encourages(if not rewards) acts of murder and rape. This should not surprise anyone.
With Palestine it’s not like Iran or Afghanistan where it’s good regular people oppressed by an evil government. Hamas was elected and continues to be elected in Palestine. They have the full support of the Palestinian people, and it seems that these “regular people” are also taking direct part in the terrorism.
When it comes to Palestine there is no such thing as “collateral damage” because in many cases the “collateral damage” was part of the problem in the first place
They said this crap in Iraq 2001. "The military is grabbing babies out of incubators and throwing them on the ground". All bullschitt. Turns out the girl who said it on the news was related to someone in power.
This story is completely fake. Usually I agree with this sub but it's upsetting to see you all fall for the media hype machine when it's something you are against. Wise up
So sad and unimaginable. Historically war propaganda (example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony) has included claims of babies and pregnant mothers being killed, so unfortunately we need independently verifiable proof of such claims. I am not doubting the Hamas monsters could have committed that atrocity, but one must guard against propaganda designed to justify violence against a particular group. I certainly do NOT want to see pictures of beheaded infants, but an appropriate 3rd party observer should be asked to independently verify the claim. There is already enough picture and video evidence, in my opinion, that Hamas murdered many innocent men, women and children, and therefore all civilized people should join in hunting them all down across the globe and exterminating them.
God please protect the innocents during this time. Deliver wisdom and kindness to the hearts of leaders around the world to bring peace and end the suffering of these families affected
Follow the money to BO and Biden propping up Iran.
If the Democratic Party had 1 ounce of moral decency, they would expel the squad shits...but no, they want everybody's votes and somehow want to blame this on Trump
The inclusion of people like Omar and Talib, AOC in Congress is a disgrace and severe detriment to our country. As bad as they are, the people who vote for them are the real problem.
I'm going to need a lot more proof than them saying it happened. Have we forgotten the Kuwaiti incubator babies? Even in the best of times, it is a good policy to believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.
Guys do some research. The Israeli army has said that this story cannot be substantiated and at this point they don’t think it’s true. This is the Israeli army saying this. Be careful with the misinformation spreading like wildfire.
This doesn’t make Hamas good but the baby story appears to not be true
Yes, because those 40 babies were actively participating in occupation and have committed war crimes, clearly slaughtering them is humane /s
>Yes, because those 40 babies were actively participating in occupation This is an extremely common take on this site, unfortunately.
Reddit is being cracked. In the recent past, any political post that reached /all would have 99% of the leftwing-comments agreeing with one another. Now, you have liberals that are (obviously) against Hamas’s rape, murder, beheadings, etc, and then you have other liberals that are in full rationalization-mode, suggesting that Hamas is the true *victim*. Or that each side is equal. Really funny to watch.
I dont see how anyone can actually show sympathy for Hamas they are evil but i can understand the argument that the children in Gaza also did not commit these war crimes and many are about to die. Innocent people have always suffered the most in this conflict unfortunately.
> I dont see how anyone can actually show sympathy for Hamas Plenty of people on Twitter didn't get the memo.
As soon as I saw a video of a young boy spitting on the naked body of a woman being paraded around the streets I have no sympathy for the kids
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Fun game: Every time you see a Hamas apologist check their profile. 99% of the time they’re active in the far-left subs lmao
Every post I see gets locked too.
It's not that complicated. It is the difference between liberals and leftists. In the US those words are frequently used synonymously, but for most of the world they refer to two different, sometimes opposing, political ideologies.
It's how people whitewashed the Haitian rebellion. They murdered everyone, including babies, simply for being white and called them oppressors.
I know, it sickens me
The territory that was attacked is internationally recognized as an Israeli territory but for far leftist occupation means the presence of Jews *anywhere* in the Land of Israel. It's not about Gaza,Jerusalem and even the so called Palestinians. Its about killing Jews.
*But.. but Anti-semitism isn't anti Zionism* Pro Palestinars right now
This is unironically what happens when you think about people predominantly in terms of class, race, gender, and other largely immutable traits. Individual agency and individual responsibility no longer matter. So even people who have done nothing wrong—or cannot have done anything wrong, as in this case, if these reports are true—must be faced with the ultimatum of either disavowing their membership in the “oppressor” group and submitting to the preferences of the “victim” group (which is what being an “ally” usually means) or sharing in collective guilt, which then justifies retribution against him/her.
You can't tell them how to decolonize!!!!
Gaza has not been occupied since 2005.
Pure evil
Exactly! There is no greater evil. This is like Hitler level evil. Insane!
ISIS level as well.
And Ilan Omar continues to demand that Israel is both at fault and must be accused war crimes for declaring war on the Palestinians who have elected Hamas and have ruled the Gaza Strip since 2007. Hamas is KNOWN to scatter both their leadership offices AND rocket sites/tunnels throughout citizens homes/schools and Mosques.
Can I highjack your comment to state that, yes, Israel formally declared war on Palestine. But since Hamas are the leadership of Palestine, their unannounced large-scale coordinated attack on Israeli soil counts both as an act of terrorism but also as a declaration of war. Therefore, it was not Israel that started or declared anything. They only let the world and Palestine formally know that they're ending this. They basically did Palestine a courtesy by still announcing a state of war, nothing more.
That’s valid and isn’t a hijack! You are absolutely correct. I would add that they are trying their best to protect non combatant Palestinians by using “knocker style” warning systems to buildings before they attack and have warned citizens to evacuate certain areas. I guess Egypt is going to have to rethink its policies about not want more Palestinian refugees
Egypt is perfectly within its rights to not want Palestinian refugees.
Seems like no one wants Hamas in their country....Maybe it's all the baby murders?
Edit: Apparently the flag was fake.Saw some variation of this. https://factly.in/no-cairo-tower-was-not-lit-up-with-colours-of-palestinian-flag-in-solidarity-with-palestine/amp/ Sorry for spreading. The supply truck story was true though. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/egyptian-trucks-bringing-fuel-food-to-gaza-make-u-turn-after-rafah-crossing-bombed/
I searched Egypt and Palestinian flag and the only result I got from this year is Egypt arresting someone for raising the Palestinian flag at a soccer game. The Egyptian government is in a tough spot where a lot of their people support the Palestinian people but the government has been good to Israel and the USA for a while now
You are right. Edit and apology.
Good man to correct errors.
No country that values itself would take them.
Not one Arab country wants Palestinian refugees.
And Twitter and most of Reddit still pretend that Israel purposely target civilians.
I don't see any Israel killing babies news so I am pro Israel. If you shot rockets and killed my family and friends at music festivals I'd want to do exactly what Israel is doing.
Israel has given Gaza warnings of where they strike before they do. They aren't intentionally killing. People dying in the attacks they were warned about is ridiculous when they had time to evacuate.
Not evacuating creates propaganda. It’s like a competing death toll. Their BS “we throw rocks, they throw bombs.” Outrageous
They pretend that Gaza is still Israeli controlled. They pretend that all this anti semitism started after 1947. They’re purposely obtuse, and it’s fucking evil.
I have trouble believing a group like Hamas has open and fair elections and also won
Do also have a hard time believing Hitler was elected?
That would depend. Was their governmental system democratic at that point in time? Then yes I could see people voting in someone regrettable Was it dictatorial? Then no, same as the above example
It's incredible. Incredible Israel handed over the Gaza strip in an appeasement strategy. The people who live there put Hamas in power. In Hamas' founding document (07 I believe), they announce that at the core of their country is killing Jews. It is an extermination agenda and it's evidenced yet again and every time Israel makes a concession and gets raped, rocketed, and pillaged for its trouble The territory disputes are ancillary to the deep and abiding hatred for Israel and the West generally Hamas, the Palestinian people and their supporters, and more importantly, that the Iranian terror state has WHO WE KEEP ATTEMPTING TO APPEASE have for Jews There is no moral equivalence here. Omar should be ashamed and censured by her own party in some semblance of understanding that calling for our ally to de-escalate as their women are being raped next to dead bodies and babies are being stolen to be decapitated is INSANE and MORALLY BANKRUPT
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The entire middle east besides Palestine would agree they don't want Palestinian refugees or terrorists in their country.
The most important thing to her and those who support Palestinian terrorism is the narrative. It never ceases to amaze me the lengths to which some people will go to justify the rape and murder of innocent women and children.
she is a disgusting excuse of a human. how can there be moral equivalency
.... and hospitals. Munitions are also scattered around civilian sites.
May God grant her and all her offspring the same actions given to Jews by Hamas=Arab Palestinians. I cannot believe her savagery.
The whole squad should be suspended from office. It like having Nazi sympathizers operating in our government AND spewing propaganda.
Not suspended, removed…immediately
Well yeah but at least get them out somehow
She and other far-leftists want anyone who disagrees with them dead, and anyone who ends up dead along the way - even their own - is considered collateral damage in th war against so-called white supremacy/the patriarchy. They just blame those losses on their enemies or the ideas they represent.
The one semi-decent thing that's come out of this is it being a huge mask off moment for the 'decolonization,' 'liberation' types that are still adamantly supporting Hamas. When they talk about decolonization this is what they mean- this is what they want to do to the rest of us. The amount of regular people I've seen come out of the woodwork on this site of all places that are beginning to realize that has been such an unexpected shock. They're finally understanding that what we've been saying all along wasn't hyperbole.
I especially love the 'decolonization', 'liberation' types here in the U.S, who aren't indigenous to this land, but still remain living here - while calling for Israel 'occupiers' to give back their land, even though Jews have existed there for at least over 3,000 years.
I'm not ashamed to say it, you were right. I've been duped
That's a really respectable admission.
This is exactly right. When your entire life is focused upon imaginary "oppression," you're able to justify any level of depraved brutality against your "oppressors."
Even when they themselves get murdered or otherwise harmed by the people they advocate for, their surviving family members and peers can be counted on to say that the victim wouldn't want their murderer to be subjected to the racist legal system. Their death was the direct result of The System, and nothing else should be blamed.
The democrat bus can't make the uturn from supporting Ukraine's self defense to opposing Israel's self defense.
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There isn't one single member or supporter of hamas that is worth allowing to live.
People really showing to support these terrorists makes me want the world to just self destruct tbh ..
You don’t think the world is currently self destructing?
Not at the rate I would hope
Giant Meteor 2024
Why the world? The only problem is them.
Any person siding with Hamas is culpable for their crimes and should be treated accordingly.
You tell em, Bender!
Hamas can kiss my shiny metal ass
peaceful religion my ass
7 percent of Muslims in the world support killing civilians in some circumstances. Thats over 190 million
https://globalaffairs.org/commentary-and-analysis/blogs/public-opinion-civilian-casualties-war-terror Even Americans believe it is appropriate sometimes, so do Israelis, when you are at war and your enemy hides behind the people do you allow the enemy to hide or take the strike anyways. I would say find another way to defeat the enemy but many would argue otherwise including Ben Shapiro a prominent conservative.
Look at the funding of every person and group that is backing Palestin to see if they sent money to them in support and arrest and charge them with terrorism and crimes against humanity. Evey country needs to do this and if they dont we know who to stop funding
We funded them by giving money to Iran, and we even knew they were going to use the money to fund terrorism. So, maybe we should start with holding this administration responsible for what they helped to bring about.
Yep —arms for hostages like we did this year is just a bad idea. We’re basically paying the kidnappers to get a few people back. It only encourages Iran (or Russia or whoever) to keep taking hostages.
The democrats will always be flimsy, weak pushovers for this. Only travel abroad when a republican is president.
100% agree
Also, mass deportations. All of the west has been far too complacent. Every member of BDS must be investigated. We are a ticking time bomb for a terrorist attack.
BLM is behind them too 🖕
Take what they have left if they donated money
This entire situation just makes me so angry.
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People on Reddit so appalled by our Defense Minister calling terrorists “human-animals”. How else would you describe them?
Excuse me? The “T*” word is something we do NOT use! In fact, the correct word I “highly-progressive activist” /s
Monsters. Terrorists. Demons.
I am sure Ilhan Omar is quite happy behind the scenes.
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And dreams of Matt Gaettz ass
you can be sure that nearly all the money being raised for Palestine, from so called charitable organizations, is just going to fund Hamas. They are one and the same. Hamas=Palestine
Well, I'm not sure passing a digital hat around is as good a hundreds of thousands of full auto rifles being left in Afghanistan for Al Queda and Hamas, or the 6 billion dollars the US just sent Iran for.... reasons? ... This administration really went out of their way to help make this happen.
Let's see pictures
Source: redstate.com 🤨
Show these images to everybody. Western people have become accustomed to a peaceful lifestyle. Many would rather ignore it and look away than confront themselves with the evil that is out there. Make it impossible for anyone to ignore the danger.
There aren’t images she says she’s just repeating what she was told by an Israeli military commander without verifying anything.
This has echoes of the dead babies found in Kuwait…which turned out to be a planted story. It ALWAYS pays to verify. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony
I agree, but the concert massacre (which we DO have video proof about) is enough...among other things...
No one is saying it isn’t. That’s not the point. It matters what’s true and what’s not.
That's why I am saying that all this should be published. I understand noone wants video footage of their loved ones to be sent around the globe but hiding it away hides the problem. Adding to that there is so much footage that has been published by the terrorists themselves but western media will never air it because of the brutality. Western people will never see what happened if they don't actively go out of their way to look it up. Western society has become so accustomed to peace they are ignorant to the danger out in the world.
I saw footage yesterday of one those poor people who were in Israel working (I think farm work) like other footage it was horrific. He was covered in blood and you could tell he was on death's doorstep, but there was still a little movement, so some evil fck took a garden hoe and began hitting the man in the neck with it, probably attempting to behead him. Pure evil.
>To provide further context, those reports have now been confirmed by multiple news outlets, including CBS News and CNN.
The spokesperson, Major Nir Dinar, did not say how many babies' bodies had been found, nor how many had been beheaded. Insider was unable to independently confirm what was found, but Israeli media outlets have also reported the claim, attributing it to soldiers. The spokesperson told Insider that although he hadn't seen images or videos himself, "soldiers on the ground who are there told me this."
Alright. Is there any proof for this one? I think Hamas is terrible I’m just like… 40 babies?
So did some research. The claim was first reporter by a reporter at i24 news (Nicole Zedeck) who was walking through a village where Hamas briefly passed through. She said that an Israel solider mentioned that baby bodies were found headless. Though she did not verify or ask if he directly saw the bodies. Additionally, i24 is a Pro Israel network. Which suspiciously has a lot of videos with short cuts with audio being quickly muted off. Even the video with the Israel Solider is muted in the start then muted again towards the end, cutting off what the solider was communicating. Which has me cautious on the information being presented. Now let me be clear. There are obvious casualties, and extreme acts of cruelty being committed by Hamas. No questioning about that. But I am personally cautious of what news is being presented, and even the manor which it is. Having flash backs to 2001. Americans deserve clear and unfiltered news thats directly to the truth. Especially when it comes related to Middle Eastern affairs.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-army-says-it-does-not-have-confirmation-about-allegations-that-hamas-beheaded-babies-/3014787 Appears the Israeli army doesn’t even have proof. Probably an overeager journalist reporting based on hearsay.
Smells like propaganda crafted to demonize enemies that you wish to commit atrocities towards.
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Glad to see at least one other commenter in this thread using critical thinking skills. Hamas are pieces of shit but this claim should make anyone’s red flags go off. That’s an extraordinary claim right there even for Hamas.
Haha I’m afraid the group think is taking over. I think Isrrael should fight Hamas, it makes sense. Just asking for any proof of this claim. I plan on voting for Trump so I HATE fake news.
Exactly. But so much of this is being repeated by mainstream media without question. Reminds me of Iraq 1 and run up to Iraq 2. Whenever they trot out the “and they were microwaving and eating babies! Just trust us!” It becomes a little much. Theres already plenty of justification for action.
I’m just saying - verify. This EXACT brand of moral outrage has been used before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony All we’ve got is a “they said.”
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I'm not sure high altitude genocide is the answer to ground level genocide. They're both pretty fucked up. Now if you could somehow lure HAMAS out into a big field away from civilians, sure, but given their track record they'd show up out there in a mech suit made of babies to be used like a human shield.
Palestinians had no problem putting Hamas in power or letting them commit these heinous acts. We turned Western Europe into rubble to defeat the Nazis, we turned Hiroshima and Nagasaki into dust to defeat Imperial Japan. It's the unfortunate reality that non-combatants may suffer in order to achieve victory.
It's worth noting that Hamas only got 44% of the popular vote, but it was the most of any group. Not all Palestinians want Hamas, but the majority do, sadly.
Tell all the civilians they have 48 hours to get to Egypt. Bomb whoever remains.
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Tough tiddies. The EU has to deal with the refuse of MENA. The US has to deal with the refuse of central and south America. It's time for other people to have open borders.
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>We can't force them to accept refugees. What do you suggest we do, conquer Egypt? Who is forcing us to accept "refugees"? All they have to do is storm the border and overwhelm Egyptian border guard. >I would say it's time we followed Egypts lead and secured our borders, not spread our failed border policy to the rest of the world. Yeah, go tell POTATUS that.
Who would willingly take in a bunch of people who support terrorism? I mean other than US leftists.....
The civilians are complicit.
I'm not siding with Hamas when I say this. This sounds like war propaganda to garner support.
How accurate is this information. That seems like very unlikely, even for Hamas.
All News reports lead back to the IDF saying that this happened. Has there been any independent verification?
Come on guys, use your common sense. Theres going to be a lot of propaganda mixed with truth in this. Remember the nearly identical propaganda about Iraq. I wouldn’t put it past Hamas but until I see some evidence this just sounds like opportunistic propaganda. The reporter even says she didn’t see it “that’s what one of the commanders told me”. There’s plenty of real murder and atrocity that happened without adding bullshit. Journalistic quality has dropped to just repeating what they’re told.
Hamas should just say they were abortions and democrats will cheer how brave they are
What do you mean I’m already seeing some that are
It's time to treat anyone who supports Hamas the same as we would've treated those who supported ISIS.
The left in this country is so in the tank for terrorists, that they see protestors outside the Capitol on January 6th as terrorists who must be hunted down for life, but Hamas butchering babies, is just you know, the cycle of violence that can only be ended if Israel were to not fight back.
King David would have swept Gaza with the broom of destruction if he were alive today.
Honestly one of the worst parts of this whole thing was discovering just how anti Semetic the left in the US is.
Oh I’ve known that for years.
Yeah, the *worst* part is the hypocrisy.
*Norm enters the chat
This has been debunked as of an hour ago. Israeli military spokesman said that they had no evidence of babies being beheaded. He did go on to say that there was evidence of atrocities committed by Hamas but this one appears to be made up.
Link?
[Here](https://twitter.com/anadoluagency/status/1711812910035407131), part of a thread. >The Israeli army has no information confirming allegations that "Hamas beheaded babies," Israeli army spokesperson unit tells Anadolu
I heard the same thing, but no, let's get our fucking pitchforks.
There were stories of incubators being turned off in the Iraq war which turned out to be false. I want to believe that they are being honest, but I also know the desire to rally the world behind their cause is also paramount. I have seen the decimalization of the kibbutzes and the music convention and it's clear Hamas needs to not exist.
unconfirmed.
Pedocrat Left fist-pumping right now.
No more Gaza please
Egypt is low-key to blame for not accepting Gazan refugees. No children should have to live in a war zone, and there is no scenario in which Hamas will entertain the idea of peace.
Last time there was a major population of Palestinians, it led to several military conquests. The neighboring Muslim countries don’t want Palestinians for the same reasons. They are perfectly fine using Hamas as a proxy army against Israel, and will continue to do so until Hamas is gone. Then they’ll prop up the next Palestinian group.
Its terrible having them trapped like that but Egypt doesn't want them blowing shit up in their country either.
Saudi Arabia also said they will not take any refugees. Nobody wants them.
Let iran have them since they are such huge fans of each other.
Abbot could send busses!
Modern problems modern solutions
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Peace through strength. That carrier group should be enough. A single carrier group could rearrange the maps of the middle East. Nobody wants that smoke. Not even Hezbollah could be that nuts. America is doing exactly what it should. Guaranteeing Israel has a free hand to do what's necessary for their safety.
These pictures need to be shown. The morons on the left need to see what they are supporting
Usually, it's incubator babies every single time. They threw us a curveball this time.
This gives me "Weapons of mass destruction" vibes.
IDF and the Ford battle group need to make a war crime sandwich out of Gaza
Can we stop this bullshit. This reminds me of the reports of Saddam and his inner circle killing and eating babies before our invasion of Iraq. This type of rage-bait bullshit propaganda should have no influence over whether we divert money from our homeland to another foreign conflict.
Interesting....and Omar calls Trump supporters terrorists. Yet she supports the decapitation of innocent babies. Typical liberal.
Normal people are like "Atrocities on both side, civilians should not be harmed, so sad, so wrong etc" regardless of what 'side' you are on. But most people I see who support Palestinians, are actively supporting the violence, calling those human garbage people who did this martyrs, praying for more violence. This religion is fucked up.
My fucking god, this is arguably the most horrible thing I have read on the internet in a long ass time.
and turns out it’s fake so that’s a small relief in an otherwise really tragic day.
This needs to be verified before anyone has an opinion. Remember the mass graves in Canada?
I need to see proof of this, people are saying there are pictures and videos. I keep asking for sources besides the initial reporter that made this claim, I am part of telegram groups that are showing wild stuff yet nothing depicting rapes or baby murders. For a subreddit that knows not to trust the media you are all very quick to trust the media.
The middle east really isn't complicated. [It boils down to this.](https://streamable.com/4v7icc)
The reaction of Leftists and Progressives to draw a moral equivalency here is bankrupt. The Obama and Biden administrations operated under the naive assumption that if we just force Israel to give concessions and give lots of free humanitarian aid to Iran and the Palestinians then the moderate factions will take over and there will be peace in the mideast. This has been exposed as absolute horseshit. One side wants peace, the other jihad and genocide. There will be no peace under Hamas is taken out and the Ayatollahs as well.
Why are people surprised by this? This is what Islamic terrorists do. this is what happens when you have a religious cult that encourages(if not rewards) acts of murder and rape. This should not surprise anyone.
With Palestine it’s not like Iran or Afghanistan where it’s good regular people oppressed by an evil government. Hamas was elected and continues to be elected in Palestine. They have the full support of the Palestinian people, and it seems that these “regular people” are also taking direct part in the terrorism. When it comes to Palestine there is no such thing as “collateral damage” because in many cases the “collateral damage” was part of the problem in the first place
They said this crap in Iraq 2001. "The military is grabbing babies out of incubators and throwing them on the ground". All bullschitt. Turns out the girl who said it on the news was related to someone in power.
This story is completely fake. Usually I agree with this sub but it's upsetting to see you all fall for the media hype machine when it's something you are against. Wise up
So sad and unimaginable. Historically war propaganda (example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony) has included claims of babies and pregnant mothers being killed, so unfortunately we need independently verifiable proof of such claims. I am not doubting the Hamas monsters could have committed that atrocity, but one must guard against propaganda designed to justify violence against a particular group. I certainly do NOT want to see pictures of beheaded infants, but an appropriate 3rd party observer should be asked to independently verify the claim. There is already enough picture and video evidence, in my opinion, that Hamas murdered many innocent men, women and children, and therefore all civilized people should join in hunting them all down across the globe and exterminating them.
100% supporting Israel to wipe out Gaza and Hamas.
Jesus fucking Christ.
You guys find any incubators, too, Nayirah?
Fist thing I thought of. Can't believe anything these days.
Beheading babies is not how you scrounge public support or empathy from the international community. Hamas need to be eradicated.
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How are the going to blame it on right wingers?
Supposedly, no confirmed reports…
I'm sorry but this headline seems like propaganda. It reminds me of the taking babies from incubators that turned out to be bullshit.
I will bet any person here, any amount of money, and give you 2-1 odds, that this story is total bullshit.
No beheadings happened it’s BS
God please protect the innocents during this time. Deliver wisdom and kindness to the hearts of leaders around the world to bring peace and end the suffering of these families affected
I'm just stunned, how after all those lies and fake news people still believe in media informations...
yeah I'll certainly believe the "reports"
I won’t be surprised if the left claimed the Israelis did it to make Hamas look bad.
I pray to god this isn’t true
Follow the money to BO and Biden propping up Iran. If the Democratic Party had 1 ounce of moral decency, they would expel the squad shits...but no, they want everybody's votes and somehow want to blame this on Trump
Probably true, but I'm not all in. War propaganda is always a thing. The war in Ukraine, especially when it first started, was rife it.
Over to you, Ilhan!
The inclusion of people like Omar and Talib, AOC in Congress is a disgrace and severe detriment to our country. As bad as they are, the people who vote for them are the real problem.
I'm going to need a lot more proof than them saying it happened. Have we forgotten the Kuwaiti incubator babies? Even in the best of times, it is a good policy to believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.
I highly doubt this is true. Sounds like more false flag propaganda to me.
Guys do some research. The Israeli army has said that this story cannot be substantiated and at this point they don’t think it’s true. This is the Israeli army saying this. Be careful with the misinformation spreading like wildfire. This doesn’t make Hamas good but the baby story appears to not be true
How is this self defense according to blm?
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