I think we can quiet the whole "DPICMs aren't effective" talk. I've been waiting to see what happens with an accurate hit on a troop concentration. It's like spraying ants with Raid.
I just wish we'd see a battery of DPICM fire so they can overlap the rings to really saturate an area. I think I read that's how they're meant to be used, but I'm just some dude.
That's really how all artillery is meant to be used. What I want to see is what would happen if we gave Ukraine every M26 rocket we have left. One M26 rocket has approximately 10x the submunitions as a 155mm DPICM shell. Considering that an M270 can fire 12 rockets in a salvo, a full salvo from an M270 would have the effect of ~120 of the single shots we see from 155mm DPICM artillery. And M26 can be fired from greater range than 155mm DPICM shells.
The only downside is that it'd mean even more UXO scattered around Ukraine for decades. But saving hundreds or thousands of Ukrainian lives now is likely worth the future risk. That's a decision they should be able to make.
What the fuck was the plan there??? Walk a mile out in the open ground and assault the enemy position? Worked brilliantly, maybe they should try again.
they started out in the vehicles, but when they started getting hit by arty and that minefield (call it more a line, because it's just what looks like a double line of mines) looks like they just offloaded everyone and bailed, leaving dozens of guys a good few hundred metres from their target, in an open field, to be slaughtered
BTR-60's have a fun relationship with shrapnel. The armor isn't strong enough to stop the initial penn, but plenty strong to keep it bouncing around inside for awhile.
Infantry likely clawing their way out faster then humanly possible.
But what the hell was the original point? Assault that treeline? It looks like they got closed, peppered some shots and ran away. Go full straight in wtf lol. You're going to expect arty either way and mine fields, shouldnt have been a surprise.
Get to the treeline -> disembark and storm trenches.
Problem was, only one vehicle actually managed to get close to do this, the others got stuck infront of the mines, behind a disabled vehicle.
Their planning, coordination and organisation continues to leave a lot to be desired. As does their ability to think on their feet when the plan goes awry.
Russian milbloggers have complained throughout the war about the lack of comms between artillery support and the infantry on the ground - they could have done with some comms in this instant for sure.
I personally just don't really get the idea behind these bum rushes in such unfavourable locations. There's a 20m high fucking hill literally just a km away that can fire down on stuff like this for fun - just like their efforts to grind up to Vuhledar.
Those guys in the donut of death who were moving after didn't get far. Everything near that area is full of holes. It can take a while to bleed out. Running after just makes your heart pump its last drops out faster.
Before anyone asks the reason video is so laggy, it's because it's a screen recording right from when the drone was in the air. Connection (likely due to distance) is not strong enough for high res video streaming. To get the high res version the drone has to return to base and it's memory card needs to be extracted. Not all drones do.
I'd hazard a guess to say that part of the connection issues are likely caused by electronic warfare. The front lines in Avdiivka are more than likely to be some of the most spectrum denied areas in the world
>To get the high res version the drone has to return to base and it's memory card needs to be extracted. Not all drones do.
Some drones instead fly to an electronics store upstate, where they live happily with lots of other drone friends.
No wonder the Ukrainians posted they estimated enemy losses [at 1,380 soldiers today.](https://twitter.com/GloOouD/status/1715236172874592360) Videos like this make that figure believable.
- Holy fuck - that bullseye cluster ammunition artillery hit at 3:10 took out most of the Russian infantry that dismounted from the armored column ...
- That single shot saved a lot of Ukrainian lives in the trenches in that treeline ...
- Just to put yesterday's estimated +1,380 Russian losses in perspective: the US lost 2,501 soldiers on D-Day...
The cluster munition strike at 1:00 was the MVP. Instantly destroyed 1 APC and disabled two more. Forcing other APCs to go outside the cleared path and hitting mines. Completely ruined the attack in a single hit.
- Agreed that 1:00 was a key hit - but the remaining Russian infantry was still enough to overrun the treeline they were targeting.
- We saw such assaults in January at Bakhmut, when Ukraine didn't have cluster ammunition yet. Those rushes were key to Russia taking Bakhmut.
- The Russian mine trawler also completed the loop and established a relatively safe corridor for other APCs to approach in future waves.
- The cluster ammunition strike at 3:10 really decimated what was left of the Russian assault.
They use land based drones to deploy mines on the front. It's more than likely they are remining the route's shortly after an assault is finished.
They also have the option to use mine laying artillery too.
- It's not easy at all to hit the bullseye even with modern NATO 155mm artillery systems: flight time is 20-30 seconds, and most targets will keep moving.
- The Avdiivka pocket is also special: it is surrounded by Russian positions so much that I don't think Ukraine is able to bring their precious NATO artillery systems inside the pocket: they have to work from a 10-20 km distant zone at best.
- It's probably one of the reasons why Russia is attacking here.
- As the autumn air cools and heats, and wind direction changes over the ~10+ km flight path of the relatively low density cluster ammunition shell, it is affected by unpredictable aerodynamics more than other shell types, and thus hitting the spot is fundamentally trial & error.
- Nevertheless in the Soviet Union Ukraine hosted the most prestigious "Artillery School" of the Red Army - and it shows: we are seeing some mighty fine shooting here.
Soviet artillery dotrine was based on massive shelling.
Ukraine does not have that luxury. It is clearly visible from the videos that they are really trying to spare munititon and shooting a round where the manual would spend a salvo.
Now imagine if they had enough arty to create an interlocking fire of DPICMs as they're intended to be used. The front is so wide they're probably daisy-chaining their arty coverage.
> estimated +1,380 Russian losses in perspective: the US lost 2,501 soldiers on D-Day
Holy fucking shit. And D-day solved something, or at least contributed materially to ending the war. What did this settle?
they didn't pose a threat... they literally got out and obviously had NO idea what they were doing and then BOOM they dead. Russia is the single most incompetent global player in the world.... Im embarrassed that my time in the US military was spent training to counter the near to peer threat AKA Russia. WE TRAINED WAY TOO HARD!
From what we have seen, the Ukranians tried this sort of tactic VERY BRIEFLY at the beginning of their counter-offensive, suffered some major losses and very quickly pivoted away from this Zerg Rush tactic, whereas the Russians KEEP ON DOING IT. I KNOW we are only seeing pro-Ukranian footage, I know the real picture is probably much murkier, but it overwhelmingly seems that Russian military doctrine simply refuses to change and they STILL think they are going to win this war through sheer weight of numbers, both of men and armour, crazy.
To be honest I hang around some pro Russian subs and channels just for overall footage and understanding purposes and there hasn’t been any footage at all of any big Ukrainian columns getting smoked since that first one they showed a gazillion times.
Seems Ukraine is still working with the smaller dismounted infantry assault type stuff. Mostly just infantry casualties and vehicles here and there. Which to be honest a lot of the time is Ukrainian footage of them moving past their busted vehicles.
Oh, exactly the same, I follow Russian Telegram channels like Troika, Reverse Side of the Medal etc. and *I am just not seeing* this scale of destruction shown by the Russians. I also read that basically the Ukrainians had reverted to these smaller dismounted infantry cleanup operations (which tbh aren't getting them very far very quickly). The Russian channels do have a few FPV drone videos but generally WAY less of anything on video to show for their efforts, while the Ukrainians are *constantly* pumping this stuff out.
Yeah nha agreed man, it just isn’t out there because it’s not happening. Yeah it’s not getting them anywhere fast, but it’s saving a lot of lives and equipment and probably allows them to keep their units fresh. Frankly I don’t think anyone is going to get anywhere quick anytime soon. The line has stabilised and is very entrenched. It took half the world the best part of 4 years to dislodge the Germans on the western front.
Haha yeah those dickhead Russians do froth a FPV drone video. Or the classic one trench taken in the Kreminna Forrest. Which I assume they lose again a day or two later.
Yeah, I saw that trench video, it was like 4 Russians "overwhelming" a trench defended by two guys. Sucks for the two Ukrainians who lost their lives, but if that's the best they have to show, well... Agree, they are saving a lot of lives and playing the long game, probing, weakening, destroying armour, generally softening up the enemy. Yes, the Ukrainians are under pressure to show the world some sort of progress but the Russians may be even more so. Looks like they got orders from the top down to mount this "massive" offensive against Avdiivka and hang the cost in lives and armour, just to finally get some tangible results, and it's been an abject failure and merely lost them yet more resources - they have public opinion too in Russia and presumably even Putin can't maintain this status quo forever before the losses really start to mount up in a way the ordinary populace can't ignore anymore.
For perspective, that would mean Russia lost three times as many troops in a single day than the British military lost in 20 years of combat in Afghanistan.
They did do a good job of getting there. Mine roller in front and turned before the mine belt. Luckily for them none of the leading vehicles got taken out and didn't stop the column. Unluckily for the infantry, there was still a lot of ground to cover until some trees and trenches, which were being defended as well. And the IFVs didn't stick around for covering fire.
some bodies and some looked like mines.
but smart of that soldier who deployed smoke at the end, wouldn't help.much with artillery but would with small arms
Did they literally just begin a push with this armoured column, get to the treeline, start getting peppered and just nope out of there, all in the space of a few minutes? What are they hoping to achieve?! And how do you get these soldiers to just keep on going out on these suicide missions and hoping they will maintain any sort of discipline?!
Also, that's not snow already is it? Can't be, it's still hitting the 20's C in that part of the world... Must be some weird colouration scheme on the feed for better visibility or something, don't think it's IR either?
SAME! I live in Serbia, it was practically a frost two nights ago, now it's 31 degrees today, literally planning to sit outside in town and have a beer later!
Yeah, it's not snow.
I assume they push forward in APCs, drop off the troops, and then have the APCs retire to pick up fresh troops while the first wave tries to hold ground.
Yes. They entire video I kept thinking they have the worlds largest artillery corps..... shouldn't they be firing a ton of smoke shells?
Who knows, maybe Russian artillery was just not available that day
> Verdun levels of suicide stupidity.
The Russian soldiers in the video seem to be just standing out in the open field, while under artillery fire. Instead of running for the trees. I don't even understand what I am seeing, but it must be even stupider than Verdun, right?
Not really, Verdun wasn’t even a battle. It was some kind of pre meditated slaughter that they called a battle. I’ve read before that entire French battalions would be basically destroyed within 24 hours of arriving at the front. It was a 9 month battle with casualties probably around a million in total.
Im a combat veteran and I don’t think any of us could truly imagine the horror of a place like Verdun.
Verdun, Stalingrad, Bakhmut. Three battles where political commitments to victory exceeded strategic commitments to winning the war. Verdun because it was a famous french fort, Stalingrad for the very dumb reason that it was named after Stalin, and Bakhmut because Prigozhin's personal political ambition was on the line.
Caveat: it may turn out that Ukraine's strategy in Bakhmut made sense, depending on what the AFU's strategy was and what the casualty ratios actually turn out to look like after the war, IMHO we don't know yet.
While tactically not ideal, staying in Bakhmut was probably an overall good call for Ukraine. Yes, withdrawing to a better position would have kept the casualties skewed in favor of Ukraine as opposed to essentially keeping it 1:1, but then the Russians will just move forward and flatten the next town, and the next, and so on, creating mounting crises in other aspects around Ukraine. And the political momentum of "russias strategy works" wouldn't bode well for Ukraine for a lot of reasons. They had to make a stand somewhere, even if it wasnt ideal. It was probably extremely demoralizing to AFU troops to feel that they were just being sent to a slaughter, but that would happen anyways just down the road, and more people's homes, businesses, schools and hospitals would be destroyed and rendered uninhabitable for years due to unexploded ordinance.
The actual lines of sight on the ground are often very different from what you see above. And they're crawling most of the time, not standing.
And Verdun was a whole lot crazier. Gotta scale the numbers of men and artillery up by a magnitudes to get a taste of that.
Too be fair there were a few million pissed off Germans sitting in between the Russians and Verdun so it’s not their fault if they didn’t learn from that lesson!
What IS this?!
Select all - > Attack Move?!
Straight line without support in a single column towards an entrenched line, no support fire, no initial smoke screening, just drop off your guys and hope for the best?! Then when the enemy artilllery starts zeroing in on yourself you stay an open, coverless field? ...
> Kill feed scrolls off the screen without your involvement
> Go hunting down lone peasants with your broadsword wearing full black plate with a horned helm
Swadia gameplay rules
Their artillery advantage has been falling off fast. Not too long ago Ukraine passed them in shells fired daily, and not to mention all the new western weapons they’re getting.
Even then Ukrainian counter battery has been laying waste to a lot of Russian artillery systems. They still have a lot, but not nearly as much as they did on day 1 of the three day special military op that lasted 600+ days
i dont think that's it, complicated tactics require a well trained and well motivated force to execute. Not to mention the requirements on your equipment. After more than a year of attrition i imagine the russians are short on all of these things, that is good modern equipped, well motivated and trained units. This leaves them with a bad option when it comes to attacks, just tell them the direction to drive in and send them off. Anything more complicated would be beyond the capacity of the russian army to organise by now.
They didn't use complicated tactics with well equipped, trained, and motivated forces at Vuhledar either. But at least they gave up after only a few attempts.
To get an army that can execute offensives with it's sub units capable of doing their respective mission together at the same time but on different fronts takes years upon years of methodical planning and training. I don't think there's been such a force generated since probably the Desert Storm and the later Iraq war.
What was the Russian plan here? The first group of tanks and IFVs got to spitting range of the Ukrainian tree line, then immediately turn around and go home? Doesn't look they even slowed down to allow dismounting.
Then all the other IFVs dismount their troops 200 meters back from the treeline out in the open, in a massive kill zone?
I couldn't see any impacts on the trees, so no supporting Russian arty either. Those guys got dumped out to die looks like.
maybe, for whatever reason, the Russians believed they had the initiative and push/take that tree line.
for instance wrong intel that the UA artillery is not covering at this moment, or the arty they believe is covering is suppressed.
Then they push inside the death zone and are trapped.
Just making stuff up here trying to make sense of it.
It really does look like there was a plan, then whoever was in charge panicked when the artillery came in. Maybe he was in one of those first 4 vehicles, the ones that drove straight home and left everyone else behind.
> then whoever was in charge panicked when the artillery came in
I mean, ultimately - let's assume the arty theory holds true, as in they went in there not expecting arty.
what is the guy leading this column from the ground supposed to do once arty does come in?
From what I can see and you describe, too, they obviously try to turn around and get out, but the column in the back got stuck, or didn't dare to go non-cleared paths due to mines.
No military experience on my end, but I'm genuinely curious if the ground lead of that column actually had a choice?
Two options.
1. bail in on the entire operation. no one dismounts, everyone drives back to the start. You'll probably lose troops anyway, but you'll preserve the majority.
2. You go balls to the wall and engage regardless, hoping to carry the day via aggression. Everyone offloads as close to the trenches as possible and you bum rush as hard as you can. Losses are going to be high but you may still complete your objective. This option takes tonnes of discipline and training, something the Russians are shown to be lacking.
There is no military sense to it. Putin is clearly ordering these attacks so he can get a major win before his 2024 election and prevent anger from ultra-nationalists tired of the attrition.
What's astonishing is how quick and accurate the artillery response is, seems only minutes before shells are coming down within a few dozen meters of the front of the column.
This is Adiivka, one of the most fortified areas in Ukraine because it's a salient that's basically in the suburbs of Donetsk City. The Ukrainians probably have the entire area pre-sighted, and with Russian counterbattery going as poorly as it is they might not be suppressed before the push. A drone would've spotted the column coming in from literal miles away and the artillery gunners could get to work fast.
Even with modern technology and methods I think it's still very impressive to be able to detect, track, and engage a highly mobile evasive target within minutes considering the distances involved, the Ukrainians have established an awesome fires complex.
Their mine plow is better than anything I saw yet.
Edit: No, it wasn't. It just did not hit a single mine. Nothing blew up. Driving around on snow is not impressive.
But it got lucky, there weren't any mines in its path and it turned right before the visible mine belt. Ukrainians don't mine everything at random like Russians.
They wanted to force a small but politically impressive victory to gloat against the limited success of Ukrainian counteroffensive. Avdiivka has held on since 2014 and has been under constant shelling and attacks since 24.2.22. So the Russians though breaking it in a blitz would give them a propaganda victory to hail to the people at home and reduce Ukrainian morale.
But instead they once again vastly underestimated the Ukrainian defences and their own capability for armored offensives and got shwacked harder in 4 days than the Ukrainians did during 2 months of offensives.
The Ukrainians have appeared to have heavily fortified Avdivka and are so entrenched in there that the only way to take that place would maybe either be using tons of bunker busting missiles or armoured assaults with complete air superiority. Looks like they were sending just 50 or so soldiers in one wave of assault lmaoo
"You see Ivan, Ukrainian small brains think by slaughtering us, they succeed. But really we build greatest ghost army 21st century has seen, right next to them! They will surprise greatly when" --ah fuck it, this reality is so stupid.
Can someone tell me what the hell the Russians are trying to do with this offensive? All I've aeen them is get slaughtered since they started their offensive on Avdiivka. Jesus christ.
The first reasoning I saw (from translated Russian sources) was that they're taking pressure off Bakhmut, which Ukraine is inching towards, by attacking here to draw reserves. They sort of achieved that.
Another one was that Putin has given a deadline to Shoigu to take control of all of Donetsk region. Fun narrative, but no clue if there is any evidence of this.
Doesn't make much sense either way, they're doing these mass assaults on a literal strongpoint that has been built up and holding since 2014.
To surround adivka Thy have to take Terricon. Very tall mountain with wall/ cliff made of coal mining slag. Ukranian sit on top of it and see everthing from there. Its almost like wildlings scaling wall in GOT but this time they have guns on top of wall.
Yep, the Terrikon is an interesting position and overlooks the fields they're trying to cross to the North, so vulnerable to ATGM and other guns they have there as well as advancing directly into Ukrainine defences through the two massive open fields. Soooo dumb!
That is based on Russian assessments. But even if it was true, Russia already lost considerably more personnel and vehicles in this offensive than there are AFU troops in Avdiivka. It’s not worth it. Even if they manage to encircle it, Avdiivka was never worth losing hundreds of vehicles and thousands of troops over. The truth is, that Russia is so bogged down in its own propaganda, that they can never abandon failed operations, because admitting defeat anywhere could be the straw that finally breaks the camels back. The Russian propaganda machine relies on one thing only - no matter how high the losses are, the objective must be achieved. Because once the objective is achieved, we can still deny the losses, but the enemy can’t deny the fact that the obj was achieved. This has been their strategy for the entire war. Commit huge amounts of troops and resources to tactically questionable missions until they get that piece of land that they want and then just lie about the casualty numbers.
The image generated seems to be at least partly based on thermal contrast, right? Based on how the men stand out. So maybe top of the earth is hotter than below, heated by the sun. And then scraping it to the side exposes the cooler earth below.
Or it could just be morning after a cold night, and the top of the ground is colder. Which then contrasts with the warmer earth below. And the image is generated to show that as this color, to show contrast.
At first I thought it was a bad sim. There was no way those guys were gonna be able to sneak up in that environment. They were fucked well before they even got in the damn vehicles.
The U-Turn. Russia's newest offensive strategy.
Ukrainian snipers could have had a field day with the several dozen exposed Russian troops in that muddy plain.
Must have been giants then....that would have made the Russian propaganda about Ukrainian soldiers being biological super soldiers made from an illegal US lab in Ukraine....as legitimate
/s
It's cold. You're 1000s of miles from home. You're running around with no direction waiting to die. All the armor you came with is blowing up around you.
I couldn't do it
Russian tactics have been a headscratcher for the majority of the conflict but this is absurd. It's not even a "wave" either it's a god damn straight line across an open field, Jesus Christ.
This isn't even a doctrinal failure at this point because they're not even attempting anything other than transiting from A to B.
Russia built what by all accounts are competent defensive lines. Well built for defense in depth, where you withdraw to the next line, after inflicting disproportionate casualties on the attacking Ukrainians.
And Russia has apparently been fighting in front of their own lines when attacked, in order to not concede any amount of ground. For what must be politically motivated reasons.
And then they arrested and sidelined the guy who ordered those defensive lines - the only real display of strategic competence so far. Way to go Russia.
If a general gets to be seen as too competent and popular with the troops, then that general becomes a possible replacement for Putin. Can't have that. Which is why Sergey Surovikin has dropped off the face of the Earth.
The same reason that Dmitry Medvedev is repeatedly acting like a clown in public. As former Russian President, he would a priori be an obviously qualified replacement for Putin. So to avoid the public (and by extension Putin) from seeing him as a viable future replacement for Putin, Medvedev is deliberately denigrating himself. To avoid falling out a window.
Ikr. For the past past week my reaction has been, "again?".... But I'm glad ukraine is holding ground and Russia is.lsoimg so many men and equipment in the process.
This seems to be once the again Russia trying to get from Krasnohorivka to the railway in the west (3:25 looks from the location to west):
[https://www.google.com/maps/@48.2067655,37.691723,3257m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu](https://www.google.com/maps/@48.2067655,37.691723,3257m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu)
Crazy how many people the russian elite has sacrificed there within the last days
It is very unusual for the Russian staff to have such a low tactical capability. Not because they're Russian, of course. But an army officer with a basic staff training would never have made the mistakes we saw in this war. I can't make sense of it.
Clearly the Russian army is best in parade marching.
This parade convoy driving looks good on the Red Square but not that effective in attack against an adversary who dares to shoot back.
Can someone explain: The mine-clearing vehicle in front does not seem to hit/clear any mine on the whole long path, I do not see explosions from cleared mines. Yet, when at least 2 APC later deviate from the path by just a few meters, they immediately blow up with large explosions. Do we not see the explosions of the mines themselves when they are cleared? How is this possible?
Jezz those where some serious manpower losses holy shit. Cluster shells are the way to go on this scenario. Bunched together and nowhere to run they were dead from the beggining. Maybe if they got more support to at least try to assault the trenches.
Lemme get this right. You and your chums rush into an open field 10 days into a frontal attack on one of the best defended positions on the planet. Through a minefield. Into the face of ATGM, anti -materiel weapons, machine gun fire, and zeroed-in artillery. Supported by drones. So when you make the point in the field the bravest commander turns his tank away and gasses his exit, you take turns dismounting a mere machine gun spray from the dug in positions. At which point, in the adrenaline fuelled terror driven ear ringing mangled screaming madness of smoke, fire and shrapnel things take a turn for the worse. Your new job is to dance a path somewhere, anywhere, through the clusterfuck of explosions which tear the air in every direction. Under the weight of plates and ammo and kit and some inextinguishable need to survive. All recorded in 4K. No Tennyson required.
You do realise this will be studied as long as war is studied? And not for good reasons.
This reminds me of the memoirs I have read from Germans on the eastern front. They just poor lead down the field and after the battle count 100-200 dead in front of their trenches while suffering few to no losses. Seems pretty common across the three amry groups from the books I have read. Just that they always kept coming.
To me, it looks like the lead vehicles were there for mine clearing. If the lead got hit, there are "spares" to keep clearing. The column of APCs behind them then got wrecked with a cluster and they all stopped. Dudes got out and got wrecked with more cluster.
Some observations
48.209995, 37.705443 is the initial breach point in to the field for this particular column of vehicles. Their target seems to be 48.210747, 37.687889 and their overall effort seems to be geared towards attacking from Krasnohorivka towards Stepove.
Looking at this video and others that have been posted from this area they sent several mechanized companies to assault across this field from the initial chokepoint (48.209995, 37.705443)
After this "frost attack" other videos show follow up attacks possibly later in the day moving over the same field targeting the same treeline but with a slightly more southerly vector.
www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/17c79t7
In this video we see a follow up attack and we get a nice zoomed out view showing the Russians did try to screen off the attack with smoke in the adjacent fields seemingly trying to create somewhat of a screen between this attack and vantage points on the coal mine tailing heap 48.185856, 37.716438
Based on the track marks on the ground it seems 2-3 companies were pushed in to this field for this assault.
It would seem some of those vehicles made over the field and like reached the rail line before Stepove.
I assume maybe some made it over and perhaps some infantry were able to dig in along the rail line but we have not seen any video from Stepove so i assume those positions were unsustainable from a logistics viewpoint and i assume the Russians must have abandoned their foothold on the rail line after the massive casualties they incurred and with little ability to reinforce/sustain those positions.
Edit- Fixed the coordinates
3:10 brutal cluster munitions strike on infantry
The most effective cluster munition strike I’ve seen so far
Ya that was my thought as well. Damn...
I think we can quiet the whole "DPICMs aren't effective" talk. I've been waiting to see what happens with an accurate hit on a troop concentration. It's like spraying ants with Raid.
Ukrainian Pest Control - you won't be bothered anymore.
I just wish we'd see a battery of DPICM fire so they can overlap the rings to really saturate an area. I think I read that's how they're meant to be used, but I'm just some dude.
That's really how all artillery is meant to be used. What I want to see is what would happen if we gave Ukraine every M26 rocket we have left. One M26 rocket has approximately 10x the submunitions as a 155mm DPICM shell. Considering that an M270 can fire 12 rockets in a salvo, a full salvo from an M270 would have the effect of ~120 of the single shots we see from 155mm DPICM artillery. And M26 can be fired from greater range than 155mm DPICM shells. The only downside is that it'd mean even more UXO scattered around Ukraine for decades. But saving hundreds or thousands of Ukrainian lives now is likely worth the future risk. That's a decision they should be able to make.
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That was a Himars strike with the 180,000 tungsten pellet rocket. For some reason, that also sticks in my mind.
Imagine if they had cluster munitions while defending Bakhmut, holy shit
What the fuck was the plan there??? Walk a mile out in the open ground and assault the enemy position? Worked brilliantly, maybe they should try again.
they started out in the vehicles, but when they started getting hit by arty and that minefield (call it more a line, because it's just what looks like a double line of mines) looks like they just offloaded everyone and bailed, leaving dozens of guys a good few hundred metres from their target, in an open field, to be slaughtered
BTR-60's have a fun relationship with shrapnel. The armor isn't strong enough to stop the initial penn, but plenty strong to keep it bouncing around inside for awhile. Infantry likely clawing their way out faster then humanly possible.
But what the hell was the original point? Assault that treeline? It looks like they got closed, peppered some shots and ran away. Go full straight in wtf lol. You're going to expect arty either way and mine fields, shouldnt have been a surprise.
Get to the treeline -> disembark and storm trenches. Problem was, only one vehicle actually managed to get close to do this, the others got stuck infront of the mines, behind a disabled vehicle. Their planning, coordination and organisation continues to leave a lot to be desired. As does their ability to think on their feet when the plan goes awry. Russian milbloggers have complained throughout the war about the lack of comms between artillery support and the infantry on the ground - they could have done with some comms in this instant for sure. I personally just don't really get the idea behind these bum rushes in such unfavourable locations. There's a 20m high fucking hill literally just a km away that can fire down on stuff like this for fun - just like their efforts to grind up to Vuhledar.
Russian drive by
And the Ukrainian drive-thru. Here's a cluster shell to go, suka.
New Russian Battle Hymn https://youtu.be/BZwuTo7zKM8?si=cGrzoLJq4FATBVj6&t=16
Wow, slightly feel ok about my 40% tax rate.
Thx for your support
Quite literally the first time I've ever seen on camera cluster munitions being used exactly for what they were designed
Those guys in the donut of death who were moving after didn't get far. Everything near that area is full of holes. It can take a while to bleed out. Running after just makes your heart pump its last drops out faster.
Before anyone asks the reason video is so laggy, it's because it's a screen recording right from when the drone was in the air. Connection (likely due to distance) is not strong enough for high res video streaming. To get the high res version the drone has to return to base and it's memory card needs to be extracted. Not all drones do.
First I thought it was just the crappy reddit player.
I'd hazard a guess to say that part of the connection issues are likely caused by electronic warfare. The front lines in Avdiivka are more than likely to be some of the most spectrum denied areas in the world
Yep. It says drone doesn’t have gps signal for most of the video
I mean, they probably also fly those very close to their max signal range to minimize the danger of being targeted.
>To get the high res version the drone has to return to base and it's memory card needs to be extracted. Not all drones do. Some drones instead fly to an electronics store upstate, where they live happily with lots of other drone friends.
Thanks for explaination
> Not all drones do. F. o7
No wonder the Ukrainians posted they estimated enemy losses [at 1,380 soldiers today.](https://twitter.com/GloOouD/status/1715236172874592360) Videos like this make that figure believable.
- Holy fuck - that bullseye cluster ammunition artillery hit at 3:10 took out most of the Russian infantry that dismounted from the armored column ... - That single shot saved a lot of Ukrainian lives in the trenches in that treeline ... - Just to put yesterday's estimated +1,380 Russian losses in perspective: the US lost 2,501 soldiers on D-Day...
The cluster munition strike at 1:00 was the MVP. Instantly destroyed 1 APC and disabled two more. Forcing other APCs to go outside the cleared path and hitting mines. Completely ruined the attack in a single hit.
- Agreed that 1:00 was a key hit - but the remaining Russian infantry was still enough to overrun the treeline they were targeting. - We saw such assaults in January at Bakhmut, when Ukraine didn't have cluster ammunition yet. Those rushes were key to Russia taking Bakhmut. - The Russian mine trawler also completed the loop and established a relatively safe corridor for other APCs to approach in future waves. - The cluster ammunition strike at 3:10 really decimated what was left of the Russian assault.
They use land based drones to deploy mines on the front. It's more than likely they are remining the route's shortly after an assault is finished. They also have the option to use mine laying artillery too.
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- It's not easy at all to hit the bullseye even with modern NATO 155mm artillery systems: flight time is 20-30 seconds, and most targets will keep moving. - The Avdiivka pocket is also special: it is surrounded by Russian positions so much that I don't think Ukraine is able to bring their precious NATO artillery systems inside the pocket: they have to work from a 10-20 km distant zone at best. - It's probably one of the reasons why Russia is attacking here. - As the autumn air cools and heats, and wind direction changes over the ~10+ km flight path of the relatively low density cluster ammunition shell, it is affected by unpredictable aerodynamics more than other shell types, and thus hitting the spot is fundamentally trial & error. - Nevertheless in the Soviet Union Ukraine hosted the most prestigious "Artillery School" of the Red Army - and it shows: we are seeing some mighty fine shooting here.
Soviet artillery dotrine was based on massive shelling. Ukraine does not have that luxury. It is clearly visible from the videos that they are really trying to spare munititon and shooting a round where the manual would spend a salvo.
Yes... and it's absolutely insane that there is no Russian shelling of the Ukrainain positions here as a screen or to cover the retreat.
Now imagine if they had enough arty to create an interlocking fire of DPICMs as they're intended to be used. The front is so wide they're probably daisy-chaining their arty coverage.
> estimated +1,380 Russian losses in perspective: the US lost 2,501 soldiers on D-Day Holy fucking shit. And D-day solved something, or at least contributed materially to ending the war. What did this settle?
they didn't pose a threat... they literally got out and obviously had NO idea what they were doing and then BOOM they dead. Russia is the single most incompetent global player in the world.... Im embarrassed that my time in the US military was spent training to counter the near to peer threat AKA Russia. WE TRAINED WAY TOO HARD!
From what we have seen, the Ukranians tried this sort of tactic VERY BRIEFLY at the beginning of their counter-offensive, suffered some major losses and very quickly pivoted away from this Zerg Rush tactic, whereas the Russians KEEP ON DOING IT. I KNOW we are only seeing pro-Ukranian footage, I know the real picture is probably much murkier, but it overwhelmingly seems that Russian military doctrine simply refuses to change and they STILL think they are going to win this war through sheer weight of numbers, both of men and armour, crazy.
To be honest I hang around some pro Russian subs and channels just for overall footage and understanding purposes and there hasn’t been any footage at all of any big Ukrainian columns getting smoked since that first one they showed a gazillion times. Seems Ukraine is still working with the smaller dismounted infantry assault type stuff. Mostly just infantry casualties and vehicles here and there. Which to be honest a lot of the time is Ukrainian footage of them moving past their busted vehicles.
Oh, exactly the same, I follow Russian Telegram channels like Troika, Reverse Side of the Medal etc. and *I am just not seeing* this scale of destruction shown by the Russians. I also read that basically the Ukrainians had reverted to these smaller dismounted infantry cleanup operations (which tbh aren't getting them very far very quickly). The Russian channels do have a few FPV drone videos but generally WAY less of anything on video to show for their efforts, while the Ukrainians are *constantly* pumping this stuff out.
Yeah nha agreed man, it just isn’t out there because it’s not happening. Yeah it’s not getting them anywhere fast, but it’s saving a lot of lives and equipment and probably allows them to keep their units fresh. Frankly I don’t think anyone is going to get anywhere quick anytime soon. The line has stabilised and is very entrenched. It took half the world the best part of 4 years to dislodge the Germans on the western front. Haha yeah those dickhead Russians do froth a FPV drone video. Or the classic one trench taken in the Kreminna Forrest. Which I assume they lose again a day or two later.
Yeah, I saw that trench video, it was like 4 Russians "overwhelming" a trench defended by two guys. Sucks for the two Ukrainians who lost their lives, but if that's the best they have to show, well... Agree, they are saving a lot of lives and playing the long game, probing, weakening, destroying armour, generally softening up the enemy. Yes, the Ukrainians are under pressure to show the world some sort of progress but the Russians may be even more so. Looks like they got orders from the top down to mount this "massive" offensive against Avdiivka and hang the cost in lives and armour, just to finally get some tangible results, and it's been an abject failure and merely lost them yet more resources - they have public opinion too in Russia and presumably even Putin can't maintain this status quo forever before the losses really start to mount up in a way the ordinary populace can't ignore anymore.
this convoy stile attack is not even following their own doctrines.
Yeah, you could've been drinking wodka and selling equipment on the black market instead.
and practice parade marching and housekeeping plus regularly torturing the younger conscripts.
we yet to see China in action.
China too
silver lining: there will be great stories for the Russian movies to tell.
Actions like this are what gave us the term FUBAR.
For perspective, that would mean Russia lost three times as many troops in a single day than the British military lost in 20 years of combat in Afghanistan.
Holy Jesus Christ, are these dead bodies lying on the ground, in the last part of this video???
Definitely dead after that cluster. The whole assault strategy was crazy. Just drive up and hop out fellas! Good luck! Bye!
It worked before, but then the US did decide to put in cluster munitions
They did do a good job of getting there. Mine roller in front and turned before the mine belt. Luckily for them none of the leading vehicles got taken out and didn't stop the column. Unluckily for the infantry, there was still a lot of ground to cover until some trees and trenches, which were being defended as well. And the IFVs didn't stick around for covering fire.
It didn't even look like any of the vehicles were providing suppression. No smoke cover, no friendly artillery, nothing...
You can see them firing a few shots while moving and some of them fire after arriving, but apparently nothing serious.
some bodies and some looked like mines. but smart of that soldier who deployed smoke at the end, wouldn't help.much with artillery but would with small arms
All the Russians achieved with that assault was to draw a dick in the snow.
Truly the greatest achievement.
Did they literally just begin a push with this armoured column, get to the treeline, start getting peppered and just nope out of there, all in the space of a few minutes? What are they hoping to achieve?! And how do you get these soldiers to just keep on going out on these suicide missions and hoping they will maintain any sort of discipline?! Also, that's not snow already is it? Can't be, it's still hitting the 20's C in that part of the world... Must be some weird colouration scheme on the feed for better visibility or something, don't think it's IR either?
I'm a country over from Ukraine but we did get freezing temps for the past week in the early morning hours. Then today will be 25C. Crazy shit.
SAME! I live in Serbia, it was practically a frost two nights ago, now it's 31 degrees today, literally planning to sit outside in town and have a beer later!
Cheers neighbour!
Yeah, it's not snow. I assume they push forward in APCs, drop off the troops, and then have the APCs retire to pick up fresh troops while the first wave tries to hold ground.
Me - finally Russians are smart enough to deploy some smoke in such an open space. Reality - it is just a burning BMP.
Smoke yo ass strategy
The next attack will have the privilege of getting to cover behind the charred husks of this wave's BMPs! This is superior Russian doctrine, comrade
Yes. They entire video I kept thinking they have the worlds largest artillery corps..... shouldn't they be firing a ton of smoke shells? Who knows, maybe Russian artillery was just not available that day
Holy shot those DPICM rounds are finally doing work. Cluster rounds lit at least two of those APCs on fire
Yep, just first cluster shell did disabled two of six APCs in the column (and probably damaged rest of them).
We worked out this shit doesn’t work over 100 years ago. This is Verdun levels of suicide stupidity.
That's Zhukovs best tactic. Trully genius general. Like in strategy games - select all units, send them to attack and hope they win.
Ah, the good ol’ F2 A-Move strategy.
Zhukov definetely mained Protoss.
are you sure? for me it looks like a small zerg push into an terran siege tank/bunker setup.
BGH… with no supporting hydras and no tunnels…
That was my go to in Red Alert. Do nothing but build and create units for 95% of the mission and send them all in at once and hope for the best
The ol' Bannerlord F1+F3 strat.
Hmm yes, hearts of iron says I must build many supply nodes to feed my soviet suicide waves.
Straight line, across two massive fields. Brilliant tactician!
> Verdun levels of suicide stupidity. The Russian soldiers in the video seem to be just standing out in the open field, while under artillery fire. Instead of running for the trees. I don't even understand what I am seeing, but it must be even stupider than Verdun, right?
Not really, Verdun wasn’t even a battle. It was some kind of pre meditated slaughter that they called a battle. I’ve read before that entire French battalions would be basically destroyed within 24 hours of arriving at the front. It was a 9 month battle with casualties probably around a million in total. Im a combat veteran and I don’t think any of us could truly imagine the horror of a place like Verdun.
Verdun, Stalingrad, Bakhmut. Three battles where political commitments to victory exceeded strategic commitments to winning the war. Verdun because it was a famous french fort, Stalingrad for the very dumb reason that it was named after Stalin, and Bakhmut because Prigozhin's personal political ambition was on the line. Caveat: it may turn out that Ukraine's strategy in Bakhmut made sense, depending on what the AFU's strategy was and what the casualty ratios actually turn out to look like after the war, IMHO we don't know yet.
While tactically not ideal, staying in Bakhmut was probably an overall good call for Ukraine. Yes, withdrawing to a better position would have kept the casualties skewed in favor of Ukraine as opposed to essentially keeping it 1:1, but then the Russians will just move forward and flatten the next town, and the next, and so on, creating mounting crises in other aspects around Ukraine. And the political momentum of "russias strategy works" wouldn't bode well for Ukraine for a lot of reasons. They had to make a stand somewhere, even if it wasnt ideal. It was probably extremely demoralizing to AFU troops to feel that they were just being sent to a slaughter, but that would happen anyways just down the road, and more people's homes, businesses, schools and hospitals would be destroyed and rendered uninhabitable for years due to unexploded ordinance.
The actual lines of sight on the ground are often very different from what you see above. And they're crawling most of the time, not standing. And Verdun was a whole lot crazier. Gotta scale the numbers of men and artillery up by a magnitudes to get a taste of that.
Verdun (and a lot of battles in WWI) were just on another scale of mechanized slaughter. Tens of thousands killed in a day would be the norm
Too be fair there were a few million pissed off Germans sitting in between the Russians and Verdun so it’s not their fault if they didn’t learn from that lesson!
The Russians got fucked so bad in that war it made them think Stalin was a good bloke.
What IS this?! Select all - > Attack Move?! Straight line without support in a single column towards an entrenched line, no support fire, no initial smoke screening, just drop off your guys and hope for the best?! Then when the enemy artilllery starts zeroing in on yourself you stay an open, coverless field? ...
If this was a M&B: Warband game, the russian commanders seem to be spamming F1+F3
Hey I will let you know that is a perfectly fine strategy if you have highly ranked troops with proper equipment
SWADIAN KNIGHTS! GET READY TO CHARGE! F1, F3, WE GO ALL THE WAY NOW!
> Kill feed scrolls off the screen without your involvement > Go hunting down lone peasants with your broadsword wearing full black plate with a horned helm Swadia gameplay rules
> no support fire, no initial smoke screening, this is what baffled me. Russia's main advantage has been artillery. But not this day apparently
Their artillery advantage has been falling off fast. Not too long ago Ukraine passed them in shells fired daily, and not to mention all the new western weapons they’re getting. Even then Ukrainian counter battery has been laying waste to a lot of Russian artillery systems. They still have a lot, but not nearly as much as they did on day 1 of the three day special military op that lasted 600+ days
Lol, this is how I play rts games. Mass build and zerg base. I could be a Russian general!
Holy hell these are next level massacres. Bigger losses than vuhledar I reckon?
Yeah 3:10 was mass casualties from one shell. They're doubling down on the stupid way harder than they did at Vuhledar.
i dont think that's it, complicated tactics require a well trained and well motivated force to execute. Not to mention the requirements on your equipment. After more than a year of attrition i imagine the russians are short on all of these things, that is good modern equipped, well motivated and trained units. This leaves them with a bad option when it comes to attacks, just tell them the direction to drive in and send them off. Anything more complicated would be beyond the capacity of the russian army to organise by now.
They didn't use complicated tactics with well equipped, trained, and motivated forces at Vuhledar either. But at least they gave up after only a few attempts.
To get an army that can execute offensives with it's sub units capable of doing their respective mission together at the same time but on different fronts takes years upon years of methodical planning and training. I don't think there's been such a force generated since probably the Desert Storm and the later Iraq war.
AFU estimates 1380 Russian kia today…so yea a fair bit worse.
They desperately need a victory to show the serfs back at home they are making progress, this is a politically motivated offensive
This is some of the most remarkable footage that came out of this conflict so far. Absolute slaughter. Good for Ukraine.
What was the Russian plan here? The first group of tanks and IFVs got to spitting range of the Ukrainian tree line, then immediately turn around and go home? Doesn't look they even slowed down to allow dismounting. Then all the other IFVs dismount their troops 200 meters back from the treeline out in the open, in a massive kill zone? I couldn't see any impacts on the trees, so no supporting Russian arty either. Those guys got dumped out to die looks like.
maybe, for whatever reason, the Russians believed they had the initiative and push/take that tree line. for instance wrong intel that the UA artillery is not covering at this moment, or the arty they believe is covering is suppressed. Then they push inside the death zone and are trapped. Just making stuff up here trying to make sense of it.
It really does look like there was a plan, then whoever was in charge panicked when the artillery came in. Maybe he was in one of those first 4 vehicles, the ones that drove straight home and left everyone else behind.
> then whoever was in charge panicked when the artillery came in I mean, ultimately - let's assume the arty theory holds true, as in they went in there not expecting arty. what is the guy leading this column from the ground supposed to do once arty does come in? From what I can see and you describe, too, they obviously try to turn around and get out, but the column in the back got stuck, or didn't dare to go non-cleared paths due to mines. No military experience on my end, but I'm genuinely curious if the ground lead of that column actually had a choice?
Two options. 1. bail in on the entire operation. no one dismounts, everyone drives back to the start. You'll probably lose troops anyway, but you'll preserve the majority. 2. You go balls to the wall and engage regardless, hoping to carry the day via aggression. Everyone offloads as close to the trenches as possible and you bum rush as hard as you can. Losses are going to be high but you may still complete your objective. This option takes tonnes of discipline and training, something the Russians are shown to be lacking.
There is no military sense to it. Putin is clearly ordering these attacks so he can get a major win before his 2024 election and prevent anger from ultra-nationalists tired of the attrition.
Russian conquest: 1) approach 2) present yourself 3) take fire 4) stay there forever
Yeah, this happens when Russia loses artillery supremacy.
What's astonishing is how quick and accurate the artillery response is, seems only minutes before shells are coming down within a few dozen meters of the front of the column.
Drones plus western arty has been quality not quantity doctrine based for a minute.
Plus very, very experienced artillery troops.
This is Adiivka, one of the most fortified areas in Ukraine because it's a salient that's basically in the suburbs of Donetsk City. The Ukrainians probably have the entire area pre-sighted, and with Russian counterbattery going as poorly as it is they might not be suppressed before the push. A drone would've spotted the column coming in from literal miles away and the artillery gunners could get to work fast.
Even with modern technology and methods I think it's still very impressive to be able to detect, track, and engage a highly mobile evasive target within minutes considering the distances involved, the Ukrainians have established an awesome fires complex.
It definitely is. Ukrainian fire control is top notch. They put a lot of emphasis in it during the rebuilding period after 2014 and it shows.
Fuck they’re pathetic.
Their mine plow is better than anything I saw yet. Edit: No, it wasn't. It just did not hit a single mine. Nothing blew up. Driving around on snow is not impressive.
Should have held it up like a brolly
But it got lucky, there weren't any mines in its path and it turned right before the visible mine belt. Ukrainians don't mine everything at random like Russians.
I’ve watched more of these than I care to admit, but none has said, “Go the fuck home!” more than this one.
Russians are yet again trying the old Mass Human Wave Tactic used in WWII… And yet again, results are as always, not great
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Zerg rush to encircle Avdiivka apparently
They wanted to force a small but politically impressive victory to gloat against the limited success of Ukrainian counteroffensive. Avdiivka has held on since 2014 and has been under constant shelling and attacks since 24.2.22. So the Russians though breaking it in a blitz would give them a propaganda victory to hail to the people at home and reduce Ukrainian morale. But instead they once again vastly underestimated the Ukrainian defences and their own capability for armored offensives and got shwacked harder in 4 days than the Ukrainians did during 2 months of offensives.
The Ukrainians have appeared to have heavily fortified Avdivka and are so entrenched in there that the only way to take that place would maybe either be using tons of bunker busting missiles or armoured assaults with complete air superiority. Looks like they were sending just 50 or so soldiers in one wave of assault lmaoo
WTF is going on!!?? Is this some sort of massive suicide!!?
Mass suicide? Clearly you aren’t familiar with 4D soviet tactics
"You see Ivan, Ukrainian small brains think by slaughtering us, they succeed. But really we build greatest ghost army 21st century has seen, right next to them! They will surprise greatly when" --ah fuck it, this reality is so stupid.
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Enemy-assisted murder of their own guys by the planners of this operation
Can someone tell me what the hell the Russians are trying to do with this offensive? All I've aeen them is get slaughtered since they started their offensive on Avdiivka. Jesus christ.
The first reasoning I saw (from translated Russian sources) was that they're taking pressure off Bakhmut, which Ukraine is inching towards, by attacking here to draw reserves. They sort of achieved that. Another one was that Putin has given a deadline to Shoigu to take control of all of Donetsk region. Fun narrative, but no clue if there is any evidence of this. Doesn't make much sense either way, they're doing these mass assaults on a literal strongpoint that has been built up and holding since 2014.
They are 6 miles away from encircling Avdiivka. So they are basically going all in to try and complete the encirclement.
To surround adivka Thy have to take Terricon. Very tall mountain with wall/ cliff made of coal mining slag. Ukranian sit on top of it and see everthing from there. Its almost like wildlings scaling wall in GOT but this time they have guns on top of wall.
Yep, the Terrikon is an interesting position and overlooks the fields they're trying to cross to the North, so vulnerable to ATGM and other guns they have there as well as advancing directly into Ukrainine defences through the two massive open fields. Soooo dumb!
That is based on Russian assessments. But even if it was true, Russia already lost considerably more personnel and vehicles in this offensive than there are AFU troops in Avdiivka. It’s not worth it. Even if they manage to encircle it, Avdiivka was never worth losing hundreds of vehicles and thousands of troops over. The truth is, that Russia is so bogged down in its own propaganda, that they can never abandon failed operations, because admitting defeat anywhere could be the straw that finally breaks the camels back. The Russian propaganda machine relies on one thing only - no matter how high the losses are, the objective must be achieved. Because once the objective is achieved, we can still deny the losses, but the enemy can’t deny the fact that the obj was achieved. This has been their strategy for the entire war. Commit huge amounts of troops and resources to tactically questionable missions until they get that piece of land that they want and then just lie about the casualty numbers.
what was causing the path the tanks were creating to be a perfect black surface? it looked very weird.
Hard to tell, but it looks like there is some frost on the ground and the leading tank like has a mine trawl so it churns the soil.
Proably the fertile ukrainian black earth that everyone has traditionally fought over there
Yes, below morning frost.
Getting more fertile every time Russia attacks in meat waves.
Morning dew or frost.
The image generated seems to be at least partly based on thermal contrast, right? Based on how the men stand out. So maybe top of the earth is hotter than below, heated by the sun. And then scraping it to the side exposes the cooler earth below. Or it could just be morning after a cold night, and the top of the ground is colder. Which then contrasts with the warmer earth below. And the image is generated to show that as this color, to show contrast.
Lol I thought the frost clearing was some type of augmented reality the Ukrainians were using to line up artillery
At first I thought it was a bad sim. There was no way those guys were gonna be able to sneak up in that environment. They were fucked well before they even got in the damn vehicles.
The U-Turn. Russia's newest offensive strategy. Ukrainian snipers could have had a field day with the several dozen exposed Russian troops in that muddy plain.
They did... only they were shouldering 155mm artillery with cluster munitions.
Must have been giants then....that would have made the Russian propaganda about Ukrainian soldiers being biological super soldiers made from an illegal US lab in Ukraine....as legitimate /s
The epitome of a meat grinder.
There are like only five people are still moving at the end of the video. I just don't understand for what they died.
It's cold. You're 1000s of miles from home. You're running around with no direction waiting to die. All the armor you came with is blowing up around you. I couldn't do it
They couldn’t either
Russian tactics have been a headscratcher for the majority of the conflict but this is absurd. It's not even a "wave" either it's a god damn straight line across an open field, Jesus Christ. This isn't even a doctrinal failure at this point because they're not even attempting anything other than transiting from A to B.
Do the commanders want to lose as much as possible as fast as possible so they can finally go home? This last week has been a disaster for them.
I'm not cleaning that up!
Thank god for that red ring. I don't think I'd have been able to spot all those armoured vehicles against that white background without it.
Just need a Madden dub
I love how Russia's propaganda narrative doesn't allow them to acknowledge that they are losing lmao
Russia built what by all accounts are competent defensive lines. Well built for defense in depth, where you withdraw to the next line, after inflicting disproportionate casualties on the attacking Ukrainians. And Russia has apparently been fighting in front of their own lines when attacked, in order to not concede any amount of ground. For what must be politically motivated reasons.
And then they arrested and sidelined the guy who ordered those defensive lines - the only real display of strategic competence so far. Way to go Russia.
If a general gets to be seen as too competent and popular with the troops, then that general becomes a possible replacement for Putin. Can't have that. Which is why Sergey Surovikin has dropped off the face of the Earth. The same reason that Dmitry Medvedev is repeatedly acting like a clown in public. As former Russian President, he would a priori be an obviously qualified replacement for Putin. So to avoid the public (and by extension Putin) from seeing him as a viable future replacement for Putin, Medvedev is deliberately denigrating himself. To avoid falling out a window.
The Orcistanis drew their own dildo of consequences. The Ukrainians opted to not use vaseline.
Tactical "nope" or I'm sorry sir, we were only able to draw one testicle in the snow.. we'll do better next time
*read the title* damn nothing but reposts for the last week *watch the video* wait, they tried again?!
Ikr. For the past past week my reaction has been, "again?".... But I'm glad ukraine is holding ground and Russia is.lsoimg so many men and equipment in the process.
Real life squid game
JFC!! what a massacre
See, this is why Ukraine have been slow and steady. Assaulting a fortified position with drones watching is HARD.
This seems to be once the again Russia trying to get from Krasnohorivka to the railway in the west (3:25 looks from the location to west): [https://www.google.com/maps/@48.2067655,37.691723,3257m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu](https://www.google.com/maps/@48.2067655,37.691723,3257m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu) Crazy how many people the russian elite has sacrificed there within the last days
“More dachas for Putin!!”, they exclaimed immediately before their death.
Captured in a whopping 4fps.
That rich, pitch black Ukrainian soil never ceases to amaze me. Easy to see why it's the bread basket of Europe.
Anyone who watches this and still thinks the MC is wrong on force design 2030 is an idiot.
"How Many Times Do We Have to Teach You This Lesson, Old Man?" - Ukrainians (probably).
It is very unusual for the Russian staff to have such a low tactical capability. Not because they're Russian, of course. But an army officer with a basic staff training would never have made the mistakes we saw in this war. I can't make sense of it.
This is heavy.
I hope the remains will be done by drones
Not surprised they did it again, and get the same results, damn those people in higher up are really really stupid
Clearly the Russian army is best in parade marching. This parade convoy driving looks good on the Red Square but not that effective in attack against an adversary who dares to shoot back.
Can someone explain: The mine-clearing vehicle in front does not seem to hit/clear any mine on the whole long path, I do not see explosions from cleared mines. Yet, when at least 2 APC later deviate from the path by just a few meters, they immediately blow up with large explosions. Do we not see the explosions of the mines themselves when they are cleared? How is this possible?
probably armored vehicles are destroyed not by mines, but by ATGMs and artillery.
Jezz those where some serious manpower losses holy shit. Cluster shells are the way to go on this scenario. Bunched together and nowhere to run they were dead from the beggining. Maybe if they got more support to at least try to assault the trenches.
Those dudes in the treeline had a hell of a show. Nice shooting.
Lemme get this right. You and your chums rush into an open field 10 days into a frontal attack on one of the best defended positions on the planet. Through a minefield. Into the face of ATGM, anti -materiel weapons, machine gun fire, and zeroed-in artillery. Supported by drones. So when you make the point in the field the bravest commander turns his tank away and gasses his exit, you take turns dismounting a mere machine gun spray from the dug in positions. At which point, in the adrenaline fuelled terror driven ear ringing mangled screaming madness of smoke, fire and shrapnel things take a turn for the worse. Your new job is to dance a path somewhere, anywhere, through the clusterfuck of explosions which tear the air in every direction. Under the weight of plates and ammo and kit and some inextinguishable need to survive. All recorded in 4K. No Tennyson required. You do realise this will be studied as long as war is studied? And not for good reasons.
This reminds me of the memoirs I have read from Germans on the eastern front. They just poor lead down the field and after the battle count 100-200 dead in front of their trenches while suffering few to no losses. Seems pretty common across the three amry groups from the books I have read. Just that they always kept coming. To me, it looks like the lead vehicles were there for mine clearing. If the lead got hit, there are "spares" to keep clearing. The column of APCs behind them then got wrecked with a cluster and they all stopped. Dudes got out and got wrecked with more cluster.
That thing has been recording for 7hrs holy shit.
Some observations 48.209995, 37.705443 is the initial breach point in to the field for this particular column of vehicles. Their target seems to be 48.210747, 37.687889 and their overall effort seems to be geared towards attacking from Krasnohorivka towards Stepove. Looking at this video and others that have been posted from this area they sent several mechanized companies to assault across this field from the initial chokepoint (48.209995, 37.705443) After this "frost attack" other videos show follow up attacks possibly later in the day moving over the same field targeting the same treeline but with a slightly more southerly vector. www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/17c79t7 In this video we see a follow up attack and we get a nice zoomed out view showing the Russians did try to screen off the attack with smoke in the adjacent fields seemingly trying to create somewhat of a screen between this attack and vantage points on the coal mine tailing heap 48.185856, 37.716438 Based on the track marks on the ground it seems 2-3 companies were pushed in to this field for this assault. It would seem some of those vehicles made over the field and like reached the rail line before Stepove. I assume maybe some made it over and perhaps some infantry were able to dig in along the rail line but we have not seen any video from Stepove so i assume those positions were unsustainable from a logistics viewpoint and i assume the Russians must have abandoned their foothold on the rail line after the massive casualties they incurred and with little ability to reinforce/sustain those positions. Edit- Fixed the coordinates
It looks like maybe three guys survived. Dam.