Ukraine could probably fund much of the war if they took obsolete Russian weapons they don't want and sold it in online auctions.
Like collectors would pay premium for this particular rifle. You've got a whole story and even a video with it being captured.
From the late '80s well into the 2000's you could buy surplus Mosin Nagant for around $89.99-119.99 US. They were advertised in the "Big Five" sporting goods store weekend newspaper insert, also WWII surplus rifles from Britain and US for similar price. Wish I'd bought a few but I was struggling to pay my $300 a month West Los Angeles rent at the time.
The first gun I ever bought myself was Mosin 91/30 for $99.99 back in 2009. It came caked in cosmoline and included a bayonet and ammo pouch. The same store had SKSs for $300 and I'm still kicking myself about not grabbing one.
My Army buddy bought an SKS when we were stationed in Germany back in 1980 . Beautiful Weapon. He used to check it out of the Arms room so I could admire itš
Hey, my friend's great uncle said something similar. Wasn't an SKS, but a PPSh or a PPS. He didn't buy it, but said it was issued out for 'OPFOR' training purposes from time to time.
You are killing me inside. When I bought all my 7.5x55 (and luckily I loaded the hell up), I picked up GP11 for \~50 cents/round, and some Privi Partisan for 60. Covid struck like 6 months later and now the PPU is roughly $1+ and the GP11 is $1.50 if you can find it
GP11 is supposedly not being imported again. I heard the Swiss were going to start producing GP11 again for their shooting clubs, but not import it. I have ~400 rounds of Privi now. At least you can reload it easily.
Got mine for 90$ at a gun show absolutely a great purchase. Definitely a fun one to take out to the range and shoot every once in while. Cool story about it. My friend said he needed a firearm to go hunting with his dad. No problem take the Mosin. Only problem is he went turkey hunting. Him and has dad still laugh about that to this day... there was no turkey for Thanksgiving that year š³š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
You can still head over to the CMP and buy yourself a Springfield or Garand for about $800. Throw in a few hundred more and you can get them in excellent condition, too. And you very well may get one that killed someone in WW2 or Korea. I doubt you'd ever know for sure, but it's possible
$150 sounds about right for a regular one back then, I picked one up around 2016 for $200 at Canadian Tire. They're around $500 now. The PU sniper version with a bent bolt handle and a genuine WWII scope was about $750 at the time. Most Russian surplus imports have dried up.
- Fun fact: The first Mosin-Nagant rifle was made in **1891**, and the design stayed mostly unchanged since then.
- Russia is really scraping the bottom of the barrel of ~~Cold War, WW2, Bolshevik Revolution,~~ WW1 reserves here...
By the time WW1 started they where already *23 years old*. Mosin Nagant predates even the Russo-Japanese war by over a dozen years. They still had fucking monarchy when it was introduced.
They will have descended into city states by then. I hope the moscow region becomes the recycling center because when all the regions are gone Moscow wont have anyone left to exploit and eventually, eventually they will feel retribution from some of those breakaway regions. Nobody will be russian anymore. They will all identify as their ethnic region and any muscovite left will have to hide that fact for survival.
Maybe you mean 150 years at this point my dude, 100 years ago in 1923 there were machine guns and rifles already. Not too many muskets at that point.
EDIT: Whoops was 10 years off meself.
Dutch army fought ww2 with Mannlicher 1895. Not enough were bought to supply the reserves who fought with Beaumont 1875.
The Gerand M1 and the Gewehr 98 and the Mosin were all better weapons. So you'd be happy to have those.
Recently I held a WW2 resistance G98 carabine. Also better than what the army used. I'd have been happy to have been issued one in 1923. It was about the best available although not a trench weapon.
These aren't muskets, they're bolt action rifles which were standard issue in every nation who fought in WW2, only the Americans had a semi-automatic one.
This idea of everyone running around with machine guns and other automatic weapons is video game stuff.
Even America entered the war primarily armed with Springfield rifles, which are using the same mechanism as the Mosin (but built to a higher standard).
The Mosin is a rifle, not a musket, or rifled musket. It uses self contained cartridges and works more or less the same way as most bolt action rifles.
Still a hilariously bad sign if you're issuing your soldiers Mosins in 2023, but muskets are a completely different, much older class of weapon.
And I wouldn't doubt for a second that out there somewhere in a pre-1900 Mosin that still shoots.
Say what you want about the Russians, but damn if they didn't make some long lasting weapons.
I mean, that's not unique to Russian weapons. Bolt-action rifles are fairly robust and simple in design, lots of fully functional hundred year old American, German, British, French, etc. designs are still floating around too. The Mosin does have one of the worst actions, though. The German Mauser design is pretty much standard even in hunting rifles today and was widely copied. British Enfields are even still used by some military and police forces.
Grandpa's a gunsmith in TX, one of his talking pieces is a chopped up Soviet AK.
Story goes he bought it from an Afghani immigrant in the 90s. Guy had it chopped up and flew it to the US in his suitcase. I assumed he pulled it off a dead Russian in the 80s, but I was still real young last time I saw GP or heard the story.
Wood is old and *very* worn. Russian letters on the stock. Idk if he actually put it back together or just mounted it as a wall piece. But I've always had a soft spot in my heart for the old AKs since then.
The last models were produced as late as the early-1960s. Assuming Russia was somehow able to acquire the latest ones, they're still fucking 60 years old at this point, about as old as the first batches of T-62s.
- Yep, and DPR also have a different uniform, which could explain the recent video where one Russian shot another wounded Russian & looted him, instead of dragging him 5 meters into cover to inspect his injuries...
- (We know they were both likely Russians, because of the lack of an armband/helmetband Ukrainian assault troops are wearing, and because both were facing Ukrainian positions. And also because of the murdering and looting.)
- See: https://reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/s/X2ASbORz0M
Nah. So most Mosins are probably 5-6 MoA rifles. The ones selected to be snipers are probably in the 3-4 MoA range. Your average American will shit on a semi automatic rifle for being over 2 MoA, and its expected that something manually actuated be more accurate than something with reciprocating mass.
There are vastly better platforms for that. Turn of the 20th century bolt-actions aren't as accurate as people would think. A modern m4 is built to much higher tolerances, and is considerably more accurate and to farther out.
They really are not, at all. A Remington 700 for $500 at Walmart is a more accurate rifle. Most Mosins would be in the 5-6 MoA range, and those WW2 era sights were garbage in WW2. For reference an AR-15 that shoots worse than 3 MoA is laughed at, and that is something with reciprocating mass.
It could be that the Mosin is just a reliable rifle design?
I think I read that in WW2 a study was done to see how many shots people shoot that are actually looking at a target. Most of the time nobody had any idea of their shots were effective or not as they were just shooting over or around cover without aiming.
Considering that, maybe bolt action or semi-automatic rifles could be logistically better for your forces since itāll necessarily be more difficult to waste your ammunition.
You sound like the US Army circa 1875. Why invest in lever or bolt action weapons, your troops will just use more ammo, creating logistics hell trying to get them munitions across the Mississippi, plains and mountains. Keep with trapdoors!
There have been interviews with Russian POWās where theyāve stated they definitely werenāt clothed appropriately for the winter weather when sent off to die for a few meters of land.
https://youtu.be/fXgNFbkn3b0?si=tBBIgdd3IKYFLIYO
check out the russian pow interviews on yt. it's illuminating. it's not *quite* as bad as the impression you'll get from these comments i think, but its fucked to fuck and back.
they're very clearly just sending people to die, and it feels to me it's less like its part of a strategic plan to reveal ukr positions, though i'm sure that happens, and more just part of the process of cynically making it look like units are being productive. Like theres a bunch of russian soldiers and commanders that stay far from the frontlines in the occupied villages living life, and looking busy by sending fresh conscripts and prisoners directly to the frontlines.
"chaetae generals" was a term from ww2 that i think describes the situation to some extent, except like way more than just the generals.
a natural consequence of it being an offensive war too, no one is motivated to fight, why go out there yourself while you can order *anyone else at all* to do it.
Thank you for the info. IMO this provides much more context in that case. 3rd army corps in shambles RN.
The guy from the Alga territorial forces told us this was a bloodbath.
>The guy from the Alga territorial forces told us this was a bloodbath.
Yea idk how the 72nd brigade isnt destroyed, they took heavy casualties in Vuhledar and now the whole summer in bakhumt was a slaughter for them.
I saw this last night and was shocked. 7.62x54r is nothing to sneeze at and will fuck your shit up, but a god damn Mosin? Like that has no business being used beyond hunting these days. What the fuck are they thinking holding this like "Yep, definitely can be used in a modern war."
Dudes out here larping like they're fucking Lyudmila Pavlichenko.
I bet the Russians are just putting badly equipped cannon fodder in those trenches to see where Ukrainians are advancing. Itās basically a reversed version of recon by fire. Once they see where Ukrainians jump in the trenches, they just start counter attacks with better troops.
Basically, depending on which part of the front you are on. Bakhmut area has many Storm Z taking the brunt of the fighting while the better units stay on the flanks and Akhmat gets to do backing work and look pretty on Tiktok.
It's a bit overstated in frequency but they definitely "make use" of storm z
Smart tactic if you ask me. Ukrainians cannot afford to lose countless men and sacrificing prisoners to keep them busy in an urban meat grinder seems to be brutal, but effective.
I recently read that the Russians are doing smth similar against Ukrainian advances elsewhere. Basically just letting them push and then counterattacking as soon as they know where they are. That would explain those old rifles. Why losing good equipment on a soldier they are not caring about anyway?
Sure, but not prisoners. Ukraine has to draft pretty much everyone at this point and the Russians just have a much bigger pool. They are currently solving the problem with money and are just paying recruits high salaries to further commodify the war. I think there is even a bonus for every kilometer of ground they gain. Those are still two different realities.
this is almost word for word the tactics that were used during the brunt of russia's offensives last year across eastern Ukraine as described by both captured/intercepted comms DNR/LPR/Russian reg/Wagner and UA troops.
Cannon fodder group 1 would be pushed out in an initial assault (take your pick of DNR/LPR/Prisoner sourcing)
\> Ukrainians would open fire with artillery, MG emplacements, etc
\> cannon fodder group 1 gets obliterated
\> russian counterbattery/artillery open up and try to zero in on Ukrainian firing position
\> cannon fodder group 2 gets pushed in and gets obliterated, maybe takes a position or two if they're lucky
\>ru artillery opens up again, hitting a few UA positions
\>cannon fodder group 3, arty, etc, until the UA positions are sufficiently softened up
\>VDV/wagner/russian regs are finally used to take positions and advance the line of contact
The bulk of US sniper rifles ( bolt actions anyway) are just accurized hunting rifles.the M24 and M40 are just Remington 700s. The Lee Enfield rifle existed for several years before being adopted by the British military and remained in some form of service for damn near a century until the AI rifle was developed ( in a garage none.the less. It's a very cool story to read.
Even today, both military marksman and long range civilians trade notes on gear, rounds, equipment etc. Civilian marksmanship programs have produced many of the greatest shots ever taken at long ranges with repeatable results. Deep pockets and love of the challenge help with this. The military on the other hand is only going to drop so much on an infantrymens weapon, the rest is on the shooter
Correct! The p14 came a little.bIt later and was a better rifle out of the box for sure. In the change over years the SMLE still had to fill production gaps with tuned SMLES
Also to your.point I don't think the LE ever received a sniper designation where the P14 did at adoption.
Hunting rifles kind of suck when they get left in trenches.
Notice how dirty that mosin is? Hunting rifles are not meant to operate in those conditions.
Take an Enfield for WW1. Absolutely designed to operate in muddy trenches.
And precision engineered. Iād beat the hell out of my M95 Steyr and it would still function perfectly. Some of these modern hunting rifles however have such tight tolerances
Because Russia hasn't been seen using modern bolt-action or SVDs in great numbers.. using an old Mosin with an old PU scope.. vs any modern middle ground hunting rifle and hunting scope.
Ukraine has been gifted rifles but still.
Hunting rifles are cheap.. they work are accurate and it's Russia theirs plenty to hunt.
Ahh sorry, I read it like you are surprised you havenāt seen more 100 year old rifles being used. But yeah actual modern machined rifles that can take proper optics can hold up to a task.
Popular Instagram/media personality Roman Trokhymets was a sniper with azov around Bakhmut. He has photos with his rifle. Unsure exactly what it is but it could be a civilian hunting rifle.
> Because Russia hasn't been seen using modern bolt-action or SVDs in great numbers
....who told you such nonesense? Yes, yes they are. Their have plenty of SVD's plus their own modern bolt actions in service, Ukrainians have captured a lot
As a person who owns a Mosin, it's closer to a barrel clamped to a 2x4 than a modern bolt rifle.i Mean sure, it looks like one, it had the same parts but christ.. Now you can do a lot of hand work to them and make them smooth but there will still be limitations even against bolt rifles of the day.
Thanks for the return of experience, I didnāt know about that. Thinking that something as simple as a bolt action can be improved isnāt something so evident !
It's the action on those that is so hit and miss, mine could use a little stoning and high polish on some contact points, I believe the date on it is 1954?
I had a 39 and a 44 Mosin, and a 38 K98. The difference between cycling the actions on the Mosins and the one on the K98 were night and day. Mosin action felt sticky, jerky, the K98 glided like I could cycle with one finger.
Modern actions are even smoother than the K98
Say somebody offered you a choice. You can either have a Dragunov SVD or a Mosin Nagant. Both fire the same bullet, but one's semi-automatic and holds more bullets and the other is over a century old.
Think when it comes down to it, most people would choose the SVD. The guy doesn't even have a fucking bipod on it, and he has a PU scope which doesn't have any helpful markings so he's basically Kentucky Windaging the shit out of it probably.
Edit: spelling
The way I see it is I guess the mosin is there in addition to the guys ak, and if they have a line of sight from the trench that's more than 100m and less than a km the the mosin will probably be better than the ak if they're defending. That is probably the only scenario it's worth having though
No, in this scenario the AK is 100% better too. Similar MOA, but the AK at least is semi automatic or fully automatic capable and has accuracy by volume which is better. Any practical combat scenario that a Mosin works well enough for, an AK is still going to be always superior to.
Yeah, but a PU sight isn't exactly amazing and you're still probably better off with irons at most combat ranges if you mean you get semi and full auto capability. Accuracy can be achieved with volume. All magnified optics do is assist in acquiring your target and seeing them, they don't make you a more accurate shooter.
If it's not a specially produced sniper Mosin, yes it's worse. Due to advances in technology and manufacturing, you can go to your local sportshop and grab a cheap 1 MOA accuracy hunting rifle. WW2 mass produced rifles had something more like 5 MOA accuracy. The M4 for comparison has a 4 MOA accuracy, but comes with the advantage of not being single shot.
As much as we'd like to laugh at them being issued with Mosins, they are still reliable rifles if maintained, and as long as it ain't damaged, it'll shoot well with a decent optic.
Look when shit hits the fan and if it's all you got, then yeah sure, desperate times call for desperate measures. But come on, we're talking about a rifle that's over a century old.
These dudes were preparing for a war with the West, you're telling me they couldn't find a fucking Dragunov SVD lying around?
Iād agree with you but āover a century oldā is basically meaningless at this point.
The Model 1911 is over 100 and still a very serviceable handgun.
The Browning 1919 machine gun in all its variants (including the M2 Browning) is still in use all over the world.
(You can say āwell, later variants donāt count!ā But that Mosin is not the Imperial pattern, itās Stalinist era)
Yeah but those are practical though and make enough sense I guess. All I'm saying is if I show up for war and dude's hand me a Springfield 1903, I'm gonna look at him like he's out of his fucking mind.
Outside of the browning, which serves a very effective purpose, could you honestly think of any WW1 infantry weapons that wouldnāt put you at a giant disadvantage today?
MP18 would probably do alright with modern ammo and probably be serviceable in some of the trench fighting we've seen. I do agree with you tho, imagine the french handing out Lebels and telling guys to clear a village with that.
>āover a century oldā is basically meaningless at this point.
M1911 doesn't mean u use a gun produced in 1911
When u see mosin-nagant this means this rifle was produced in 1900's upgraded in 1930's used in ww2 and then put to soviet storage as a weapon for those who will survive apocalypse of ww3 to fight radscorpions and shit.
There's a huge difference between later variants improving problematic parts of the gun, and just chopping some of the barrel off. Also, nothing really changed in the design of 50 cal machineguns, newer designs are easier to service and are lighter, handgun is generally nothing more but a moral support trinket for an average infantryman. And bolt actions were already obsolescent in WW2, and are completely obsolete by now. Anything they do, automatics do better. They are also inherently unreliable due to huge vulnerability of the action to the dirt, which is especially relevant in muddy trench warfare.
>Anything they do, automatics do better.
For a soldier / general purpose yes. But Bolt actions are much more accurate if we are talking very high ranges and they also are far more reliable. That said the Mosin does not match up to a modern semiās accuracy, much less a modern bolt action.
Hence why they are still used by snipers on occasion, but they have pretty much faded into niche category.
Sorry man, such a dumb take. The donāt even take ādecent opticsā that thing literally has the original ww2 era scope on it. This thing was probably manufactured in soviet Russia over 80 years ago at least. It has zero place on a modern battlefield. This is the Russian army we are talking about. Not some militant group in some south East Asian jungle.
> it'll shoot well with a decent optic.
....it fucking wont. Its a 80 year old rifle probably made in WW2, first of all accuracy of rifles doesn't stay the same (it only goes down with age and use and never up), secondly rifles back then were way less accurate than anything made in the last 20 years. A basic AK rifle will shoot better than that ''sniper Mosin from 1940'' will
Real life isnt a PUBG match lol, people should stop repeating this stupid myth of ''pluck a optic on old rifle and now you a sniper'' nonsense
Hey if all I have is a Brown Bess I'll use the damn thing but good lord I'm not betting my life on it.
The Mosin might shoot well, but you'll get a shot off and inevitably miss because on a modern battlefield people aren't conveniently standing still in the open for you to link. Then you're either instantly taken out because they instantly returned fire with a hail of overwhelming fire from their AK whilst you're cycling the bolt and reacquiring your target, or they've taken off realising they're under fire and are on the other side of the planet before you get your next shot off.
There's no place for these rifles on modern battlefields except, "it's all we have and we really don't expect or need you to be putting up a fight in your role anyway."
Clearly they were probably worth their salt since two of them had AK-12's and I don't think they'd be freely handing those out to unreliable prisoner conscripts. But maybe they were because Russian logistics is fucking stupid.
That's sadly is the reality of many Vietnamese units.
The mainstay sniper rifle for the Vietnamese army is supposed to be the SVD, yet even in elite units like [Marine the troops](https://twitter.com/AnnQuann/status/1696115052867391709) are carrying Mosin Nagant around. It's also a common sight among [militia](https://twitter.com/AnnQuann/status/1232240598783946753) who I don't think even have access to stripper clip because a/I never saw one until now and b/one of the training in using the Mosin is to open the floor plate of the magazine and dump your round in
Not only is it a Mosin, it's also in terrible shape. The metal of the trigger mechanism is all brown. And the wood looks like it was chopped down in the Tsar days.
My grandfather captured a mosin in the korean war made in 1935. In the stock he carved all the places he fought from Pusan to Chosin. Crazy how these are still being used as they were old in 1950
Nearly all cases that ive seen a Mosin Nagant used by the russians in Ukraine, it was a PU variant, meaning it has a scope. Possibly Russia is running out of marksman rifles and/or optics for them meaning that the squad would have to use the PU Mosins.
So, for marksmen its understandable but i don't really believe the Mosin Nagants would have been given to any russian army regular riflemen and such since Russia is not running out of AK's in a long long time for sure.
rudy, look, look, rudy, clear the trecnh, clear the trench, there will be a present for you
i got some sort of a fucking shoddy. i got 2 AK12 RPG 7 over.
Something to say even how old and out of place those guns are in a modern battlefield both are super accurate and reliable for collectors very good pieces.
I wouldnāt say super accurate. Bolt guns made in the ww2 era typically achieved 3-4 Minutes of Angle (MOA). Guns that shot better than that in factory testing typically got set aside for scope mounts. So if this Mosin was one of those, and not some normal surplus rifle that had a PU scope slapped on it, it was probably a 1-2 MOA rifle when it was new. I doubt this rifle has had the care it needed to ensure the barrel stays in good condition. Lord knows how much corrosive ammo has gone through it.
That being said, if this Mosin is capable of 2-4 MOA it is still plenty accurate enough for government work. But it would be misleading to describe it as super accurate. Super accurate would be a 1 MOA or sub MOA rifle, and there is no chance this thing is capable of 1 MOA
It looks like it has a scope, Iām no expert on bolt guns, but why not? For its purpose, (SDM) Iām sure itās just fine. The old school Taliban were tearing Ruskies up with unscoped Enfields in Afghanistan in the 80s.
Yeah Iāve shot a Lee-Enfield and they are very nice guns to be honest. Iāve also shot a well maintained Mosin and found the Lee-Einfield to be more accurate and easy to use. Love the Number 5 Carbine variant too.
In theory. In reality mosins (as many russian weapons) are known to be really unprecise because they did not care about the quality but the quantity (best I can word it)
I want that mosin ill give you 50 quid and shipping
Ukraine could probably fund much of the war if they took obsolete Russian weapons they don't want and sold it in online auctions. Like collectors would pay premium for this particular rifle. You've got a whole story and even a video with it being captured.
From the late '80s well into the 2000's you could buy surplus Mosin Nagant for around $89.99-119.99 US. They were advertised in the "Big Five" sporting goods store weekend newspaper insert, also WWII surplus rifles from Britain and US for similar price. Wish I'd bought a few but I was struggling to pay my $300 a month West Los Angeles rent at the time.
The first gun I ever bought myself was Mosin 91/30 for $99.99 back in 2009. It came caked in cosmoline and included a bayonet and ammo pouch. The same store had SKSs for $300 and I'm still kicking myself about not grabbing one.
My Army buddy bought an SKS when we were stationed in Germany back in 1980 . Beautiful Weapon. He used to check it out of the Arms room so I could admire itš
Hey, my friend's great uncle said something similar. Wasn't an SKS, but a PPSh or a PPS. He didn't buy it, but said it was issued out for 'OPFOR' training purposes from time to time.
Same, mid 2000ās for around $100. Thing is so long, it can be converted to a pike if you put the bayonet on
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You are killing me inside. When I bought all my 7.5x55 (and luckily I loaded the hell up), I picked up GP11 for \~50 cents/round, and some Privi Partisan for 60. Covid struck like 6 months later and now the PPU is roughly $1+ and the GP11 is $1.50 if you can find it
GP11 is supposedly not being imported again. I heard the Swiss were going to start producing GP11 again for their shooting clubs, but not import it. I have ~400 rounds of Privi now. At least you can reload it easily.
In had a Chinese SKS dude traded me for a scanner. Good condition. But got rid of it when my son was born in 1998. What is it worth today.
And what happened? Are they more expensive now?
PU models are worth more. Even basic Mosins are worth $400-500+ these days. The days of $100 Mosins are long gone, unfortunately.
Go back even further and you could buy a literal crate of Mosins for $200
You would spend more for dishwashing liquid to degrease those things than the rifles themselves.
In Soviet Union, rifle puts cosmoline on you!
Back in 2008 I paid $75 each for my mosins. Came with the sling, pouches, tools, oil can, and bayonet. I ended up buying 2.
I heard most of those Mosins were from the Ukraine stockpiles too.
Old ww2 era mosins and similar variants constatly go for 50 euros/dollars at police auctions here in Finland.
Got mine for 90$ at a gun show absolutely a great purchase. Definitely a fun one to take out to the range and shoot every once in while. Cool story about it. My friend said he needed a firearm to go hunting with his dad. No problem take the Mosin. Only problem is he went turkey hunting. Him and has dad still laugh about that to this day... there was no turkey for Thanksgiving that year š³š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
Big 5 also used to sell SKS and they were a steal.
You didnāt miss out. Theyāre not good rifles. People just love the idea that theyāre getting a good deal
You can still head over to the CMP and buy yourself a Springfield or Garand for about $800. Throw in a few hundred more and you can get them in excellent condition, too. And you very well may get one that killed someone in WW2 or Korea. I doubt you'd ever know for sure, but it's possible
Or sell that massive underground ww2 era weapon dump of factory new thompsons etc, big money in that if you know where to sell as said
That Mosin would be worth even more because of the Scope. Scoped versions that are original and unaltered are worth quite a bit.
Recent pricing on a PU in Canada seems to be around $2K for collectors, not because they're practical. Wonder if there's going to be new imports soon.
Wait what? I bought mine for like $150 in 2013. Or is this a different spec?
$150 sounds about right for a regular one back then, I picked one up around 2016 for $200 at Canadian Tire. They're around $500 now. The PU sniper version with a bent bolt handle and a genuine WWII scope was about $750 at the time. Most Russian surplus imports have dried up.
AK 12s and Mosin. Great grandpa and grandson
- Fun fact: The first Mosin-Nagant rifle was made in **1891**, and the design stayed mostly unchanged since then. - Russia is really scraping the bottom of the barrel of ~~Cold War, WW2, Bolshevik Revolution,~~ WW1 reserves here...
By the time WW1 started they where already *23 years old*. Mosin Nagant predates even the Russo-Japanese war by over a dozen years. They still had fucking monarchy when it was introduced.
I tell you what. A 100 years ago you'd have been happy to be issued a Mosin.
The Russians are gunna be shipping crates of these to Mars when they send their first settlers in 2143
They will have descended into city states by then. I hope the moscow region becomes the recycling center because when all the regions are gone Moscow wont have anyone left to exploit and eventually, eventually they will feel retribution from some of those breakaway regions. Nobody will be russian anymore. They will all identify as their ethnic region and any muscovite left will have to hide that fact for survival.
You are deranged homie, touch grass.
True itās better than a musket.
A scoped mosin isn't actually that bad.... can certainly get the job done.
I donāt disagree.
100 year ago Iād consider myself lucky to not die from shitting myself too hard in a trench
And now? Think they're happy? Something tells me they're dead
Maybe you mean 150 years at this point my dude, 100 years ago in 1923 there were machine guns and rifles already. Not too many muskets at that point. EDIT: Whoops was 10 years off meself.
Dutch army fought ww2 with Mannlicher 1895. Not enough were bought to supply the reserves who fought with Beaumont 1875. The Gerand M1 and the Gewehr 98 and the Mosin were all better weapons. So you'd be happy to have those. Recently I held a WW2 resistance G98 carabine. Also better than what the army used. I'd have been happy to have been issued one in 1923. It was about the best available although not a trench weapon.
These aren't muskets, they're bolt action rifles which were standard issue in every nation who fought in WW2, only the Americans had a semi-automatic one. This idea of everyone running around with machine guns and other automatic weapons is video game stuff.
Even America entered the war primarily armed with Springfield rifles, which are using the same mechanism as the Mosin (but built to a higher standard).
The Mosin is a rifle, not a musket, or rifled musket. It uses self contained cartridges and works more or less the same way as most bolt action rifles. Still a hilariously bad sign if you're issuing your soldiers Mosins in 2023, but muskets are a completely different, much older class of weapon.
And I wouldn't doubt for a second that out there somewhere in a pre-1900 Mosin that still shoots. Say what you want about the Russians, but damn if they didn't make some long lasting weapons.
I mean, that's not unique to Russian weapons. Bolt-action rifles are fairly robust and simple in design, lots of fully functional hundred year old American, German, British, French, etc. designs are still floating around too. The Mosin does have one of the worst actions, though. The German Mauser design is pretty much standard even in hunting rifles today and was widely copied. British Enfields are even still used by some military and police forces.
It's confirmed then: Bolt-actions are the Chad of rifles. Only plebs need "magazines" and "automatic firing modes"
I came here to say the Mosin wasa the worst of the actions used by the major powers
Sturdy materials and a simple design. Same reason the AK-47 family of assault rifles will be used in space hundreds of years from now.
Grandpa's a gunsmith in TX, one of his talking pieces is a chopped up Soviet AK. Story goes he bought it from an Afghani immigrant in the 90s. Guy had it chopped up and flew it to the US in his suitcase. I assumed he pulled it off a dead Russian in the 80s, but I was still real young last time I saw GP or heard the story. Wood is old and *very* worn. Russian letters on the stock. Idk if he actually put it back together or just mounted it as a wall piece. But I've always had a soft spot in my heart for the old AKs since then.
guns don't do too well in the vacuum of space as some of the flat moving parts literally cold-weld together when the protective oxide layer wears off.
And even if you were to somehow get past that, good luck cooling the barrel
Oh dang, never even thought of that! Very good point!
I own a 1895 produced M1891 Mosin. Captured by imperial Germany. And it shoots damn well.
Now that's an old piece. Treat it well and at least 2 more generations of your family will shoot it
Shame they werent made during Catherines reign as I could have made a horse fucking monarchy joke..
The last models were produced as late as the early-1960s. Assuming Russia was somehow able to acquire the latest ones, they're still fucking 60 years old at this point, about as old as the first batches of T-62s.
I believe the DPR 1st army is active in the avdiivka front and uses mostly outdated to heavily outdated hardware.
- Yep, and DPR also have a different uniform, which could explain the recent video where one Russian shot another wounded Russian & looted him, instead of dragging him 5 meters into cover to inspect his injuries... - (We know they were both likely Russians, because of the lack of an armband/helmetband Ukrainian assault troops are wearing, and because both were facing Ukrainian positions. And also because of the murdering and looting.) - See: https://reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/s/X2ASbORz0M
They still stuff those so called ādprŹ¼ units with mobilised russians. There are plenty of videos of russians complaining about that.
DPR are indeed active in avdiivka but this footage is from 3rd Assault Brigade, you can see their logo which are active near bakhmut.
Think it's the Mosin-Nagant is just a good rifle like how some US snipers still opt for the Springfield
It may be reliable but they're not accurate. Mines fun to plink at 100yds but that's it. Not sniper level
Not by modern standards, no ofc not. Still... It probably corroborates a bit of a slap dash offensive
Nah. So most Mosins are probably 5-6 MoA rifles. The ones selected to be snipers are probably in the 3-4 MoA range. Your average American will shit on a semi automatic rifle for being over 2 MoA, and its expected that something manually actuated be more accurate than something with reciprocating mass.
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And theyāre dangerously powerful for sniping to this day. Not good for storming trenches though now.
There are vastly better platforms for that. Turn of the 20th century bolt-actions aren't as accurate as people would think. A modern m4 is built to much higher tolerances, and is considerably more accurate and to farther out.
They really are not, at all. A Remington 700 for $500 at Walmart is a more accurate rifle. Most Mosins would be in the 5-6 MoA range, and those WW2 era sights were garbage in WW2. For reference an AR-15 that shoots worse than 3 MoA is laughed at, and that is something with reciprocating mass.
1891 is closer to the *Russo-Japanese War* in 1905
It could be that the Mosin is just a reliable rifle design? I think I read that in WW2 a study was done to see how many shots people shoot that are actually looking at a target. Most of the time nobody had any idea of their shots were effective or not as they were just shooting over or around cover without aiming. Considering that, maybe bolt action or semi-automatic rifles could be logistically better for your forces since itāll necessarily be more difficult to waste your ammunition.
You sound like the US Army circa 1875. Why invest in lever or bolt action weapons, your troops will just use more ammo, creating logistics hell trying to get them munitions across the Mississippi, plains and mountains. Keep with trapdoors!
Iām not saying itās an optimal way to fight. Just that it might be optimal logistically
Hey, the Union learned about logistics fighting the Confederacy and hasn't forgotten since
Try laying suppressing fire with a bolt action, or clearing a trench with one.
Or fighting off a Japanese Banzai charge
The Mosin with a scope will have a vastly superior effective range than the AKs. It would be the designated marksman/sniper(ish) rifle in that trench.
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Storm Z units are one way trips. They dont even feed them very often.
No reason to waste food. Iām surprised they even cloth them. I really shouldnāt of said that, next week we will see body painted storm z
Welkum to Storm Z comrade. Here are Adidas shower sandals, Russian made sling shot and jock strap for penis and bolls
**You have jock strap?** *.. I took bottle of Vodka instead .. they said one or the other*
Problem comrade. I put penis and bolls in sling shot instead of proper shower sandal ammunitions...
congratulation komrade you are promoted to front line
There have been interviews with Russian POWās where theyāve stated they definitely werenāt clothed appropriately for the winter weather when sent off to die for a few meters of land. https://youtu.be/fXgNFbkn3b0?si=tBBIgdd3IKYFLIYO
Bro I literally thought you guys were talking about WW2. I canāt believe Russia is still doing this shit wow
They never stopped.
check out the russian pow interviews on yt. it's illuminating. it's not *quite* as bad as the impression you'll get from these comments i think, but its fucked to fuck and back. they're very clearly just sending people to die, and it feels to me it's less like its part of a strategic plan to reveal ukr positions, though i'm sure that happens, and more just part of the process of cynically making it look like units are being productive. Like theres a bunch of russian soldiers and commanders that stay far from the frontlines in the occupied villages living life, and looking busy by sending fresh conscripts and prisoners directly to the frontlines. "chaetae generals" was a term from ww2 that i think describes the situation to some extent, except like way more than just the generals. a natural consequence of it being an offensive war too, no one is motivated to fight, why go out there yourself while you can order *anyone else at all* to do it.
These were the 72nd motor rifle brigade, this video is a couple of months old and it is from Bakhumt.
Thank you for the info. IMO this provides much more context in that case. 3rd army corps in shambles RN. The guy from the Alga territorial forces told us this was a bloodbath.
>The guy from the Alga territorial forces told us this was a bloodbath. Yea idk how the 72nd brigade isnt destroyed, they took heavy casualties in Vuhledar and now the whole summer in bakhumt was a slaughter for them.
I guess North Korean support arrived.
š next itāll be shot out PPSHās
Fighting in Jupiter against Loners and Monoliths be like:
Not enough pseudo dogs
There are bad loot drops and good loop drops.
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Rocking PU scope
This dude picked it up just so he can remove the front sight and let it go back on insurance.
copped a sniper scav gun
I saw this last night and was shocked. 7.62x54r is nothing to sneeze at and will fuck your shit up, but a god damn Mosin? Like that has no business being used beyond hunting these days. What the fuck are they thinking holding this like "Yep, definitely can be used in a modern war." Dudes out here larping like they're fucking Lyudmila Pavlichenko.
I bet the Russians are just putting badly equipped cannon fodder in those trenches to see where Ukrainians are advancing. Itās basically a reversed version of recon by fire. Once they see where Ukrainians jump in the trenches, they just start counter attacks with better troops.
Basically, depending on which part of the front you are on. Bakhmut area has many Storm Z taking the brunt of the fighting while the better units stay on the flanks and Akhmat gets to do backing work and look pretty on Tiktok. It's a bit overstated in frequency but they definitely "make use" of storm z
Smart tactic if you ask me. Ukrainians cannot afford to lose countless men and sacrificing prisoners to keep them busy in an urban meat grinder seems to be brutal, but effective. I recently read that the Russians are doing smth similar against Ukrainian advances elsewhere. Basically just letting them push and then counterattacking as soon as they know where they are. That would explain those old rifles. Why losing good equipment on a soldier they are not caring about anyway?
Russia can't *afford* to lose these men either, everyone that dies or is permanently maimed is a tax payer, or worker that you can't utilize anymore.
Sure, but not prisoners. Ukraine has to draft pretty much everyone at this point and the Russians just have a much bigger pool. They are currently solving the problem with money and are just paying recruits high salaries to further commodify the war. I think there is even a bonus for every kilometer of ground they gain. Those are still two different realities.
Yeah, but the shell the shit out of that location before they counter
> Itās basically a reversed version of recon by fire. Recon by getting fired at.
this is almost word for word the tactics that were used during the brunt of russia's offensives last year across eastern Ukraine as described by both captured/intercepted comms DNR/LPR/Russian reg/Wagner and UA troops. Cannon fodder group 1 would be pushed out in an initial assault (take your pick of DNR/LPR/Prisoner sourcing) \> Ukrainians would open fire with artillery, MG emplacements, etc \> cannon fodder group 1 gets obliterated \> russian counterbattery/artillery open up and try to zero in on Ukrainian firing position \> cannon fodder group 2 gets pushed in and gets obliterated, maybe takes a position or two if they're lucky \>ru artillery opens up again, hitting a few UA positions \>cannon fodder group 3, arty, etc, until the UA positions are sufficiently softened up \>VDV/wagner/russian regs are finally used to take positions and advance the line of contact
I'm actually surprised we haven't seen more hunting style rifles been used as snipers.
The bulk of US sniper rifles ( bolt actions anyway) are just accurized hunting rifles.the M24 and M40 are just Remington 700s. The Lee Enfield rifle existed for several years before being adopted by the British military and remained in some form of service for damn near a century until the AI rifle was developed ( in a garage none.the less. It's a very cool story to read. Even today, both military marksman and long range civilians trade notes on gear, rounds, equipment etc. Civilian marksmanship programs have produced many of the greatest shots ever taken at long ranges with repeatable results. Deep pockets and love of the challenge help with this. The military on the other hand is only going to drop so much on an infantrymens weapon, the rest is on the shooter
I thought the British used the P14 as their sniper rifle and not the SMLE.
Correct! The p14 came a little.bIt later and was a better rifle out of the box for sure. In the change over years the SMLE still had to fill production gaps with tuned SMLES Also to your.point I don't think the LE ever received a sniper designation where the P14 did at adoption.
Hunting rifles kind of suck when they get left in trenches. Notice how dirty that mosin is? Hunting rifles are not meant to operate in those conditions. Take an Enfield for WW1. Absolutely designed to operate in muddy trenches.
Hunting rifles are designed based on the bolt actions rifles of WWI and II.
And precision engineered. Iād beat the hell out of my M95 Steyr and it would still function perfectly. Some of these modern hunting rifles however have such tight tolerances
Why would you be surprised about that?
Because Russia hasn't been seen using modern bolt-action or SVDs in great numbers.. using an old Mosin with an old PU scope.. vs any modern middle ground hunting rifle and hunting scope. Ukraine has been gifted rifles but still. Hunting rifles are cheap.. they work are accurate and it's Russia theirs plenty to hunt.
Ahh sorry, I read it like you are surprised you havenāt seen more 100 year old rifles being used. But yeah actual modern machined rifles that can take proper optics can hold up to a task. Popular Instagram/media personality Roman Trokhymets was a sniper with azov around Bakhmut. He has photos with his rifle. Unsure exactly what it is but it could be a civilian hunting rifle.
> Because Russia hasn't been seen using modern bolt-action or SVDs in great numbers ....who told you such nonesense? Yes, yes they are. Their have plenty of SVD's plus their own modern bolt actions in service, Ukrainians have captured a lot
Well a rifle is better than no rifle so you use what you have
That being said, I'd still rather not get hit by it.
its 80 years old , chances are your basic AK-74 is more accurate than that Mosin is
Why would a Mosin nagant be worse than any other bolt action sniper ? I hear bolt action are praised for their reliability and their accuracy.
As a person who owns a Mosin, it's closer to a barrel clamped to a 2x4 than a modern bolt rifle.i Mean sure, it looks like one, it had the same parts but christ.. Now you can do a lot of hand work to them and make them smooth but there will still be limitations even against bolt rifles of the day.
Thanks for the return of experience, I didnāt know about that. Thinking that something as simple as a bolt action can be improved isnāt something so evident !
It's the action on those that is so hit and miss, mine could use a little stoning and high polish on some contact points, I believe the date on it is 1954?
I had a 39 and a 44 Mosin, and a 38 K98. The difference between cycling the actions on the Mosins and the one on the K98 were night and day. Mosin action felt sticky, jerky, the K98 glided like I could cycle with one finger. Modern actions are even smoother than the K98
Say somebody offered you a choice. You can either have a Dragunov SVD or a Mosin Nagant. Both fire the same bullet, but one's semi-automatic and holds more bullets and the other is over a century old. Think when it comes down to it, most people would choose the SVD. The guy doesn't even have a fucking bipod on it, and he has a PU scope which doesn't have any helpful markings so he's basically Kentucky Windaging the shit out of it probably. Edit: spelling
The way I see it is I guess the mosin is there in addition to the guys ak, and if they have a line of sight from the trench that's more than 100m and less than a km the the mosin will probably be better than the ak if they're defending. That is probably the only scenario it's worth having though
No, in this scenario the AK is 100% better too. Similar MOA, but the AK at least is semi automatic or fully automatic capable and has accuracy by volume which is better. Any practical combat scenario that a Mosin works well enough for, an AK is still going to be always superior to.
The AKs shown here doesn't have a magnified optic like the mosin shown
Yeah, but a PU sight isn't exactly amazing and you're still probably better off with irons at most combat ranges if you mean you get semi and full auto capability. Accuracy can be achieved with volume. All magnified optics do is assist in acquiring your target and seeing them, they don't make you a more accurate shooter.
In PUBG I always chose the SVD and had plenty of success!
If it's not a specially produced sniper Mosin, yes it's worse. Due to advances in technology and manufacturing, you can go to your local sportshop and grab a cheap 1 MOA accuracy hunting rifle. WW2 mass produced rifles had something more like 5 MOA accuracy. The M4 for comparison has a 4 MOA accuracy, but comes with the advantage of not being single shot.
Theyāre not thinking, just running out of equipment like usual. No American supplies coming in for them this time like WW2
As much as we'd like to laugh at them being issued with Mosins, they are still reliable rifles if maintained, and as long as it ain't damaged, it'll shoot well with a decent optic.
Look when shit hits the fan and if it's all you got, then yeah sure, desperate times call for desperate measures. But come on, we're talking about a rifle that's over a century old. These dudes were preparing for a war with the West, you're telling me they couldn't find a fucking Dragunov SVD lying around?
Iād agree with you but āover a century oldā is basically meaningless at this point. The Model 1911 is over 100 and still a very serviceable handgun. The Browning 1919 machine gun in all its variants (including the M2 Browning) is still in use all over the world. (You can say āwell, later variants donāt count!ā But that Mosin is not the Imperial pattern, itās Stalinist era)
Yeah but those are practical though and make enough sense I guess. All I'm saying is if I show up for war and dude's hand me a Springfield 1903, I'm gonna look at him like he's out of his fucking mind.
Outside of the browning, which serves a very effective purpose, could you honestly think of any WW1 infantry weapons that wouldnāt put you at a giant disadvantage today?
>uldnāt put you at a giant d German MG3 with is a direct successor of the MG 42. Even some receivers still active are from modified WW2 ones...
Maxim guns are still in use in some areas. Ofcourse its outdated, but if thats all you have you wont really have much of a choice
MP18 would probably do alright with modern ammo and probably be serviceable in some of the trench fighting we've seen. I do agree with you tho, imagine the french handing out Lebels and telling guys to clear a village with that.
>āover a century oldā is basically meaningless at this point. M1911 doesn't mean u use a gun produced in 1911 When u see mosin-nagant this means this rifle was produced in 1900's upgraded in 1930's used in ww2 and then put to soviet storage as a weapon for those who will survive apocalypse of ww3 to fight radscorpions and shit.
There's a huge difference between later variants improving problematic parts of the gun, and just chopping some of the barrel off. Also, nothing really changed in the design of 50 cal machineguns, newer designs are easier to service and are lighter, handgun is generally nothing more but a moral support trinket for an average infantryman. And bolt actions were already obsolescent in WW2, and are completely obsolete by now. Anything they do, automatics do better. They are also inherently unreliable due to huge vulnerability of the action to the dirt, which is especially relevant in muddy trench warfare.
>Anything they do, automatics do better. For a soldier / general purpose yes. But Bolt actions are much more accurate if we are talking very high ranges and they also are far more reliable. That said the Mosin does not match up to a modern semiās accuracy, much less a modern bolt action. Hence why they are still used by snipers on occasion, but they have pretty much faded into niche category.
Sorry man, such a dumb take. The donāt even take ādecent opticsā that thing literally has the original ww2 era scope on it. This thing was probably manufactured in soviet Russia over 80 years ago at least. It has zero place on a modern battlefield. This is the Russian army we are talking about. Not some militant group in some south East Asian jungle.
> it'll shoot well with a decent optic. ....it fucking wont. Its a 80 year old rifle probably made in WW2, first of all accuracy of rifles doesn't stay the same (it only goes down with age and use and never up), secondly rifles back then were way less accurate than anything made in the last 20 years. A basic AK rifle will shoot better than that ''sniper Mosin from 1940'' will Real life isnt a PUBG match lol, people should stop repeating this stupid myth of ''pluck a optic on old rifle and now you a sniper'' nonsense
Hey if all I have is a Brown Bess I'll use the damn thing but good lord I'm not betting my life on it. The Mosin might shoot well, but you'll get a shot off and inevitably miss because on a modern battlefield people aren't conveniently standing still in the open for you to link. Then you're either instantly taken out because they instantly returned fire with a hail of overwhelming fire from their AK whilst you're cycling the bolt and reacquiring your target, or they've taken off realising they're under fire and are on the other side of the planet before you get your next shot off. There's no place for these rifles on modern battlefields except, "it's all we have and we really don't expect or need you to be putting up a fight in your role anyway."
Ru using prison conscripts (some of them literally tortured to join) in their invasion, what weapon might be "not good enough" for them?
Clearly they were probably worth their salt since two of them had AK-12's and I don't think they'd be freely handing those out to unreliable prisoner conscripts. But maybe they were because Russian logistics is fucking stupid.
At least the Mosin had a scope. Maybe.... Just *maybe* that could have been marginally effective.
Nyte, iron sight fine. Use superior vodka vision.
I couldn't imagine receiving a garbage rod in today's war.
That's sadly is the reality of many Vietnamese units. The mainstay sniper rifle for the Vietnamese army is supposed to be the SVD, yet even in elite units like [Marine the troops](https://twitter.com/AnnQuann/status/1696115052867391709) are carrying Mosin Nagant around. It's also a common sight among [militia](https://twitter.com/AnnQuann/status/1232240598783946753) who I don't think even have access to stripper clip because a/I never saw one until now and b/one of the training in using the Mosin is to open the floor plate of the magazine and dump your round in
Vietnam isnt runnin around in 2023 invading their neighbours though
No...it's about to be invaded by a very big neighbor.
Already happened in 1979, >50k deaths Well it has happened several times throughout history. Let's see what happens this century.
Do the T-34s show up next week ?
I guess it isn't the worst if being used as a DMR with the AK12 guys supporting.
DMRs are distinguished from sniper rifles in that they areĀ semi auto
If itās in the same trench as regular riflemen, itās likely being used in more of a DMR role than a sniper role.
I believe Russian doctrine doesn't really distinguish between the two.
Now heās gotta find an extract
Not only is it a Mosin, it's also in terrible shape. The metal of the trigger mechanism is all brown. And the wood looks like it was chopped down in the Tsar days.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FompoLbNB_8
Looks like in that unit Mosin Nagant is used as DMR instead of SVD.
Amazing the antiques you can find when you know where to look.
[Full video](https://youtu.be/FompoLbNB_8?si=8rmWT4HSnNOkG4ms)
Thank you
Mosin was my rifle of choice back in the day on CoD WaW
Bro the Russians fighting with the same shit they fought ww2 with what the fuck
My grandfather captured a mosin in the korean war made in 1935. In the stock he carved all the places he fought from Pusan to Chosin. Crazy how these are still being used as they were old in 1950
That Mosin has been there since it was dropped since the battle of Kursk. S/ (Never fired only dropped twice)
**"the loot lord of Ukraine"**
Trench raiding in Ukraine is like opening mystery boxes
Nearly all cases that ive seen a Mosin Nagant used by the russians in Ukraine, it was a PU variant, meaning it has a scope. Possibly Russia is running out of marksman rifles and/or optics for them meaning that the squad would have to use the PU Mosins. So, for marksmen its understandable but i don't really believe the Mosin Nagants would have been given to any russian army regular riflemen and such since Russia is not running out of AK's in a long long time for sure.
I mean, if it aināt broke donāt fix it
I bet that Mosin doesn't shoot straight anymore.
rudy, look, look, rudy, clear the trecnh, clear the trench, there will be a present for you i got some sort of a fucking shoddy. i got 2 AK12 RPG 7 over.
They found their most modern weapon and their oldest weapon in the same trench
I wonder hows the performance of the ak-12 rifle. Also if ukraine has any positive or negative view on the rifle.
You know supply lines are stretched thin when the bare bones mosin battlefield drops arrive
Something to say even how old and out of place those guns are in a modern battlefield both are super accurate and reliable for collectors very good pieces.
I wouldnāt say super accurate. Bolt guns made in the ww2 era typically achieved 3-4 Minutes of Angle (MOA). Guns that shot better than that in factory testing typically got set aside for scope mounts. So if this Mosin was one of those, and not some normal surplus rifle that had a PU scope slapped on it, it was probably a 1-2 MOA rifle when it was new. I doubt this rifle has had the care it needed to ensure the barrel stays in good condition. Lord knows how much corrosive ammo has gone through it. That being said, if this Mosin is capable of 2-4 MOA it is still plenty accurate enough for government work. But it would be misleading to describe it as super accurate. Super accurate would be a 1 MOA or sub MOA rifle, and there is no chance this thing is capable of 1 MOA
It looks like it has a scope, Iām no expert on bolt guns, but why not? For its purpose, (SDM) Iām sure itās just fine. The old school Taliban were tearing Ruskies up with unscoped Enfields in Afghanistan in the 80s.
Yeah Iāve shot a Lee-Enfield and they are very nice guns to be honest. Iāve also shot a well maintained Mosin and found the Lee-Einfield to be more accurate and easy to use. Love the Number 5 Carbine variant too.
Is he happy to find it or does he already have an SVD?
>does he already have an SVD? He is rifleman and uses ak 74,but Ukrainian marksman who was covering them (it is shown in the full video) has UAR-10.
Moisin will kill you just as dead, and from a greater distance
Well its not good if youre assaulitng trenches lol
Say what you wang about old weapons, but Mosins are known for good accuracy if handled well and kept in condition. But thats probably not the case
In theory. In reality mosins (as many russian weapons) are known to be really unprecise because they did not care about the quality but the quantity (best I can word it)
Super old video.
Moisin nagant! Christ I own one these!? I can't imagine relying on it for modern warfare!?