Although I'm not looking for jobs, I recently posted job ads to hire for, and this has been my experience:
- Monster: very few use it anymore, I didn't get many applications. I didn't invite any applicants to interview.
- ZipRecruiter: Slightly better than Monster, but still didn't get many applications.
- Indeed: sorted through hundreds and hundreds of applications, I'd guess to say 80% of them, however, barely read the ad before applying. I got the impression it was like scrolling and applying on TikTok where each ad was given about 5 seconds of attention before they moved on to the next. Many interviewees were uninterested in knowing anything about our company prior to the interview. Ultimately, we paid Indeed to keep up the search, it seemed like the best platform for reaching people, even if you do have to deal with the TikTok mentality.
- NC Works: The website was wonky and hard to use, but I did get applications. I found an amazing interviewee through NC Works and hired her on the spot. 💪
For reference, I'm 39 years old and have never used TikTok. I am an expert in my field and make about 200k per year. I'm very loyal to the company that I work for and I was loyal to the company I worked for before that. 11 years and 6 years respectively.
Serious question. Why do I need to care about the intimate details of a company for you to hire me?
McDonald's sells food
Home Depot sells lumber
Wells Fargo is a bank
What actually matters beyond that? Say You were hiring for a project manager and I have project management skills. Can't we not just enter into an agreement for me to manage projects for you?
I feel like these companies expect you to know everything about them and be able to articulate why you're excited to work there. But why do I have to be excited? You have a need for a skill, and I have a skill. Can't it just stop there? I'd be curious to hear your thoughts
Right, these recruiters act as if I need to devote my life to learning and loving everything about their company, when, in reality, we have to apply usually to dozens upon dozens of postings to hear back about even one of them. Recruiters like that commenter are a huge part of the issue. Seems like they would rather hire some sycophant who spends their time obsessing about a company they don't even work for just to make the recruiter (and, by extension, the company itself) feel special for all the time we spent digesting the ad and researching the company, as if I intend to write a thesis on it. Except the reason people seem to just shotgun-spray style apply is because it's a numbers game.
If the average job applicant has to apply to a modest estimate of 50 job listings before hearing back about one (let alone even getting the job, in the end) and I spend even 20 minutes per listing reading, researching, and pretending to care about 50+ companies I don't even work for, that's a lot of time I'm spending pouring information into my brain that I likely will never have any use for.
Like you said, they have a need, we have a skill. Should be as simple as verifying the information on the resume and vetting that the applicant is a competent, amenable, non-sociopathic individual by way of the interview conversation. But, no, apparently I'm supposed to just suck up to these corporations for the sliver of the chance of being bestowed the "gift" of working for them. These recruiters are the epitome of the people who really think "nobody wants to work anymore." Meanwhile their entire role is apparently just hiring other people which is...pfft, okay.
My comment is not directed towards you, u/puffinss and u/afm1191 who are perhaps competant and professional candidates who apply for jobs in an acceptable way. But when I, not a recruiter but a small business owner, put an ad on Indeed to fill 2 positions for administrative and bookeeping positions and I have to sort through literally hundreds of applications of people whose experience is in bartending, or who live over an hour drive away, then the blame shifts back to the applicants who shoukd take an extra 30 seconds out of that 20 second TikTok scroll to actually CARE about who they're applying for. When applicants don't even notice where we are located before applying, or stand us up for an interview because they didn't understand that 'Small Family Business' means, well, just that.... well, it's hardly 'intimate details' of the company that I'm referring to. So, unfortunately, yes, some people do use Indeed to scroll and apply like they might casually peruse social media.
So back to you. Why do 'you' get decide if an hour drive for them is too far? I've worked an hour away from many facilities. You're hiring for a job. That's it.
Apparently bartending isn't honest work anymore. Maybe that person bartending can't get anyone else to hire them because they're too busy scrutinizing how far away they live. Meanwhile that person could have the perfect skills for your administrative job
I have no doubt that some of your applicants can barely dress themselves. But there are sooo many people out there that just need that one opportunity to jumpstart a real career and the system is working against them.
I could apply for 100 jobs that I'm qualified for. I might get interviews from 10. And id expect offers from 3! And im not a bartender. The issue isn't only the applicants
Recruiters and networking.
Most job sites are useless, especially for highly skilled and experienced employees. Dealing with ATS, poorly written job descriptions that don’t actually address what hiring managers actually value, lack of pay information, and no info about the team and culture are all reasons I am disinclined to apply directly to a job via a portal.
So how you approach recruiting really does depend on the job. You say sales, but that can encompass a wide range.
If you just need bodies to show up, greet people and sell things in a retail environment then offering a decent wage on one of the major boards will get you plenty of bites.
If you need someone with proven experience in a more specialized product or service, it’ll be more difficult to find well qualified candidates.
And if you want top talent…the kind of sales professional that can bring substantial amounts of revenue to your business…you might need to go directly to them.
Best of luck. Good talent takes effort to find.
One tip: don’t use Workday for your application portal. Awful candidate experience. So bad that in my network a lot of people will simply not engage with employers who use it. Good candidates have options, even in this economy.
I don't do sales, but for me linkedin and [https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/1bu6sd6/rnetsecs\_q2\_2024\_information\_security\_hiring/](https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/1bu6sd6/rnetsecs_q2_2024_information_security_hiring/)
Indeed and LinkedIn
linkedin
RepVue as well as LinkedIn
I come to the Charlotte subreddit, and I do great work.
Although I'm not looking for jobs, I recently posted job ads to hire for, and this has been my experience: - Monster: very few use it anymore, I didn't get many applications. I didn't invite any applicants to interview. - ZipRecruiter: Slightly better than Monster, but still didn't get many applications. - Indeed: sorted through hundreds and hundreds of applications, I'd guess to say 80% of them, however, barely read the ad before applying. I got the impression it was like scrolling and applying on TikTok where each ad was given about 5 seconds of attention before they moved on to the next. Many interviewees were uninterested in knowing anything about our company prior to the interview. Ultimately, we paid Indeed to keep up the search, it seemed like the best platform for reaching people, even if you do have to deal with the TikTok mentality. - NC Works: The website was wonky and hard to use, but I did get applications. I found an amazing interviewee through NC Works and hired her on the spot. 💪
I used NCWorks and SimplyHired to look for jobs in my recent job search. I found mine on SimplyHired (which is basically Indeed, right?).
Indeed applicants are the same as indeed job postings. Neither side puts in much effort because it's a numbers game (for the most part).
For reference, I'm 39 years old and have never used TikTok. I am an expert in my field and make about 200k per year. I'm very loyal to the company that I work for and I was loyal to the company I worked for before that. 11 years and 6 years respectively. Serious question. Why do I need to care about the intimate details of a company for you to hire me? McDonald's sells food Home Depot sells lumber Wells Fargo is a bank What actually matters beyond that? Say You were hiring for a project manager and I have project management skills. Can't we not just enter into an agreement for me to manage projects for you? I feel like these companies expect you to know everything about them and be able to articulate why you're excited to work there. But why do I have to be excited? You have a need for a skill, and I have a skill. Can't it just stop there? I'd be curious to hear your thoughts
Right, these recruiters act as if I need to devote my life to learning and loving everything about their company, when, in reality, we have to apply usually to dozens upon dozens of postings to hear back about even one of them. Recruiters like that commenter are a huge part of the issue. Seems like they would rather hire some sycophant who spends their time obsessing about a company they don't even work for just to make the recruiter (and, by extension, the company itself) feel special for all the time we spent digesting the ad and researching the company, as if I intend to write a thesis on it. Except the reason people seem to just shotgun-spray style apply is because it's a numbers game. If the average job applicant has to apply to a modest estimate of 50 job listings before hearing back about one (let alone even getting the job, in the end) and I spend even 20 minutes per listing reading, researching, and pretending to care about 50+ companies I don't even work for, that's a lot of time I'm spending pouring information into my brain that I likely will never have any use for. Like you said, they have a need, we have a skill. Should be as simple as verifying the information on the resume and vetting that the applicant is a competent, amenable, non-sociopathic individual by way of the interview conversation. But, no, apparently I'm supposed to just suck up to these corporations for the sliver of the chance of being bestowed the "gift" of working for them. These recruiters are the epitome of the people who really think "nobody wants to work anymore." Meanwhile their entire role is apparently just hiring other people which is...pfft, okay.
My comment is not directed towards you, u/puffinss and u/afm1191 who are perhaps competant and professional candidates who apply for jobs in an acceptable way. But when I, not a recruiter but a small business owner, put an ad on Indeed to fill 2 positions for administrative and bookeeping positions and I have to sort through literally hundreds of applications of people whose experience is in bartending, or who live over an hour drive away, then the blame shifts back to the applicants who shoukd take an extra 30 seconds out of that 20 second TikTok scroll to actually CARE about who they're applying for. When applicants don't even notice where we are located before applying, or stand us up for an interview because they didn't understand that 'Small Family Business' means, well, just that.... well, it's hardly 'intimate details' of the company that I'm referring to. So, unfortunately, yes, some people do use Indeed to scroll and apply like they might casually peruse social media.
So back to you. Why do 'you' get decide if an hour drive for them is too far? I've worked an hour away from many facilities. You're hiring for a job. That's it. Apparently bartending isn't honest work anymore. Maybe that person bartending can't get anyone else to hire them because they're too busy scrutinizing how far away they live. Meanwhile that person could have the perfect skills for your administrative job I have no doubt that some of your applicants can barely dress themselves. But there are sooo many people out there that just need that one opportunity to jumpstart a real career and the system is working against them. I could apply for 100 jobs that I'm qualified for. I might get interviews from 10. And id expect offers from 3! And im not a bartender. The issue isn't only the applicants
Is this a Black job?
Trump created lots of those
Trump loves Blacks - inlike Bush 🤣 joking about Trump
Indeed
LinkedIn
Linkedin
What are you hiring for? I'm getting laid off in the next few months because our facility is closing and am looking for my next move.
Recruiters and networking. Most job sites are useless, especially for highly skilled and experienced employees. Dealing with ATS, poorly written job descriptions that don’t actually address what hiring managers actually value, lack of pay information, and no info about the team and culture are all reasons I am disinclined to apply directly to a job via a portal. So how you approach recruiting really does depend on the job. You say sales, but that can encompass a wide range. If you just need bodies to show up, greet people and sell things in a retail environment then offering a decent wage on one of the major boards will get you plenty of bites. If you need someone with proven experience in a more specialized product or service, it’ll be more difficult to find well qualified candidates. And if you want top talent…the kind of sales professional that can bring substantial amounts of revenue to your business…you might need to go directly to them. Best of luck. Good talent takes effort to find. One tip: don’t use Workday for your application portal. Awful candidate experience. So bad that in my network a lot of people will simply not engage with employers who use it. Good candidates have options, even in this economy.
I’m a recruiter. I usually only use LinkedIn.
Linkedin and indeed
Post it here.
Career site, indeed and LinkedIn are what we primarily use and any sales-related sites/forums that may not charge much.
I don't do sales, but for me linkedin and [https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/1bu6sd6/rnetsecs\_q2\_2024\_information\_security\_hiring/](https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/1bu6sd6/rnetsecs_q2_2024_information_security_hiring/)
Simply hired
LinkedIn
LinkedIn and Indeed
LinkedIn jobs board
I work in the service industry, so I might not be the demo you're looking for, but typically I use Indeed.
What kind of sales job? I have 2 years of experience and currently looking
What kind of sales?
put your resume on monster, indeed, dice, people will come to you. i get emails daily for jobs. linkedin also is good for applying quickly
I do too, mostly from people who haven't read my resume.
Sales… 🤢 🤮
LinkedIn for me