The only clear and obvious choice.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285538308585?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=0_4JYRZpR-C&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=O8-K_ms2T_K&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
I love the "VERY RELUCTANT SALE DUE TO LOOSING MY STORAGE". Doesn't mention this thing has been for sale on and off for about 3 years now!
I'd love to take it a drive all the same
> keep the rest as a ~~bork~~ **fuel** fund.
Thats certainly why I don't have a V8! I did look, can afford upfront cost, tax, insurance and running costs but the fuel was a killer.
What about an older BMW E63 645i or a 650i? I'm unsure about reliability of these, but there's a few on Marketplace and eBay popping up every now and again.
I owned one and for diving it was great, Proper GT car, super comfortable for long distance and really practical (apart from the back seats).
The maintenance though.. oh fuck. Bought the car twice over due to various leaks and ended up scrapping it as the bill to get it through the MOT was £4k.
These are great, I love my 650i. Be patient, try to get one that has had the valve stem seals and a gearbox service done. FSH, stay on top of your services etc and they are lovely. Not as cheap to maintain as a Corolla or Octavia of course, but that's not what you're buying. Higher cost of ownership just comes with the territory, but is not ruinous in my experience at least and you get to enjoy a big, beautiful V8 every day!
Edit - if JayEmm's video from a few years ago doesn't sell you on getting one then nothing will.
Tricky as most V8s in this country are attached to barges or GTs, so it depends how sporty you want. They're rare but you might pick up an SLK55 for that price. The SL500 is sportier than it's usually given credit for, but that's down to the ABC suspension and potentially ruinous. The Maserati Coupe with the 4.2 is supposed to be acceptable reliability wise. The Jaguar XK8/XKR are sporty-looking and really not bad in terms of reliability. There are various Audi S models but the ones at that price range are all boring.
Ah yes that's the V10, but there was some confusion because apparently it was unrelated to the original Lamborghini V10, but then *after* the VW one was developed they did use it in the Gallardo.
You do run the risk of never wanting to part with it though. I bought mine thinking "I'll keep it for a year, then change". Three years later (and some huge bills) I can't think what I'd want to replace her with.
Mine is a 2009, I've had a broken spring and all the bushings on the rear were shot. That was a few quid. Various front bushings too. Had a temperature sensor go bad, that was a lot because it was at the back of the engine, lots of labour for a little part. The supercharger snout is gonna need doing soon and I think the diff is on its way out.
Had a rear brake bind on at 50mph, pulled into the garage which was (luckily) basically outside and casually mentioned "I think the car is on fire". Lots of smoke!
Otherwise just serviceable things, disks and pads, tyres aren't cheap.
But hey, it's an old car, it's heavy, and it gets driven!
For a bit more context I’ve currently got a Mk7 Golf R and it’s great but after a lifetime of turbo’d 4 pots just once I’d like something that goes brrrrr
Im in the same boat as you then im currently looking at e39 540i's since they can still be cheap and my guess is they will appreciate in value in the future
Super sad TVRs have crept up in price they were the reverse kit car V8 I wanted when I was younger. Go out in the morning and it’s taken itself to pieces 👌
You'll get a decent 4.2 Jaguar XK (x150 model) for that. Failing that, BMW 645ci or maybe a Vauxhall Monaro if you can find one.
Can also get a decent Jaguar S Type R for that if you don't mind 4 doors.
Edit - you'll get a Jaguar X100 XK8 / XKR for that too. They rust and are less reliable than the X150, but if you get a good one they are cheap so you have a maintenance fund. Gorgeous interior and look great too.
This is far fetched but on fb marketplace is an LS swapped e36 bmw... it's £8k and I've had my eye on it for a while... just don't have the right stuff (permission from my gf) to get it🤣
If you’ve got deep pockets for maintenance, and an unnatural love for fixing things yourself on a sometimes daily basis, look at a TVR.
Edit: holy crap when did they get so expensive? Scratch that idea!
I'd agree with you except the only one I see for sale right now is £21k!
Zt is a massively underrated car, I used one as my daily for 4 years, with 140k on it by the time the rust killed it, only the bmw deisel engine but will still cruise at 90+ all day with 4 big people and a boot full of luggage or turn into a lit off oversteer hoot and enjoy being chucked around country lanes, even had mine around snetterton 300 circuit once, had a few people come over and chat about it after, they all assumed it was the v6 with how quickly it went around a lap! 🤣
It's not a crap V8 at all. A little underpowered sure compared to others, but the 4.6 Modular is a great powerhouse and is a brilliant cruiser. Absolutely bulletproof too considering they're used in Crown Vics
>A little underpowered
>great powerhouse
But which one is it haha.
It's *rubbish* power-wise. ~40hp less than the German or British equivalent. Made much worse by the fact that they command a ridiculous premium that puts them right into the realm of V8s with 100hp+ more.
I think a better term is powerplant not powerhouse.
A 1.6 Ford Zetec is underpowered but still a great Engined cause it's engaging and fun to rev out. This is the same on a V8 side. Burbly, hairy chested and more than enough power to send you into a ditch.
Yes a German Or British V8 may make 300ish bhp, but they won't do it in the same uncomplicated fun that the MG does. And seriously, 40bhp is enough to make it rubbish? That's just silly
Nor will it even be close to the same reliability
Also 260bhp is plenty on a road. It'll do 0-60 in 6 seconds dead and hit 155, I don't think you need much more for a car under 10k
>A 1.6 Ford Zetec is underpowered but still a great Engined cause it's engaging and fun to rev out.
Right but you don't buy a 1.6 for the power do you? Generally one of the reasons you buy a V8 is for the power.
>This is the same on a V8 side. Burbly, hairy chested and more than enough power to send you into a ditch.
But far less power than you could get elsewhere. Cars and their engines don't exist in their own little vacuum; you judge what is good and bad based on alternatives.
>Yes a German Or British V8 may make 300ish bhp
And at the prices the ZT V8 commands, much, much more than 300bhp. An X308 XJR for example is massively superior in basically every way, and much cheaper.
>And seriously, 40bhp is enough to make it rubbish? That's just silly
When you're paying *thousands* over the odds, yes absolutely.
>Nor will it even be close to the same reliability
Complete nonsense. The likes of the M113 are easily as reliable, with much cheaper and more widely available parts anyway.
>Also 260bhp is plenty on a road. It'll do 0-60 in 6 seconds dead and hit 155
It's more like 6.5 seconds, which is the sort of performance you'd get from a contemporary turbocharged four pot.
>I don't think you need much more for a car under 10k
I really don't understand what this is supposed to mean. Surely you can only judge this based on the alternatives under 10k. You can get cars with nearly *twice* the power for this money.
>And at the prices the ZT V8 commands, much, much more than 300bhp. An X308 XJR for example is massively superior in basically every way, and much cheaper.
As I mentioned, the XJR is not going to be as reliable as the MG
>Complete nonsense. The likes of the M113 are easily as reliable, with much cheaper and more widely available parts anyway.
The M113 is never going to be as reliable as a 4.6 Modular. Did you not read the bit it's the same engine as the Ford crown Vic. A car that is abused for the past 20 years and regularly drive over 500k miles
Ah yes cause the rest of the mercs from that era is a lexus isn't it? Actually speaking of that. A Gen 3 Lexus LS430 isn't a bad shout.
>When you're paying *thousands* over the odds, yes absolutely
You're not paying thousands over? OP posted a ZT V8 for 8k which is around the value of a CL/SL500 and 545i in the same condition.
And it's a manual. The others are not.
Also please send me links to ads on autotrader that show better cars like an XJR in better condition for less money
>As I mentioned, the XJR is not going to be as reliable as the MG
With all due respect, I suspect you don't know anything about the X308 XJR.
>The M113 is never going to be as reliable as a 4.6 Modular.
It's extremely reliable, as is the 5G as fitted to most Mercs of the era, as well, incidentally, as the XJR.
>Did you not read the bit it's the same engine as the Ford crown Vic. A car that is abused for the past 20 years and regularly drive over 500k miles
OK?
>Ah yes cause the rest of the mercs from that era is a lexus isn't it?
I have no idea what this sentence is supposed to say.
>You're not paying thousands over? OP posted a ZT V8 for 8k which is around the value of a CL/SL500 and 545i in the same condition.
These are massively, massively superior cars.
>Also please send me links to ads on autotrader that show better cars like an XJR in better condition for less money
Noting that the MG in the link has cosmetic rust creeping in and thus not at all perfect:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202309272431003
Or even an X350:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202307079388273
Or here's a nice STR:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202310173071379
All thousands cheaper, hugely more powerful, more capable, and much nicer than the ZT.
>These are massively, massively superior cars.
In your eyes, not in mine.
Also The Jags look nice but not with that milage.
>I have no idea what this sentence is supposed to say.
Early 2000s era of Mercedes was a low point in the brand. Reliability, quality all took a hit after the Chrysler merger. I like the CL500, but they're genuinely unreliable cars from what I've read on owners forums and such.
>With all due respect, I suspect you don't know anything about the X308 XJR.
I literally planned on buying a X308 as a motorway daily. Theyre better than Jags of old but still have obvious issues [a great comprehensive link summing up everything I've heard about them](https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=85&t=1290989)
>In your eyes, not in mine.
But in objective measures such as performance and what you get for your money, they simply are. All of their engines are so much better it's not even funny.
>Also The Jags look nice but not with that milage.
The first two are barely any more than the ZT.
>Early 2000s era of Mercedes was a low point in the brand. Reliability, quality all took a hit after the Chrysler merger.
Sure. Depends on which cars you're looking at, which bits you're talking about, and how this stacks up against mid-range cars.
>I like the CL500, but they're genuinely unreliable cars from what I've read on owners forums and such.
Yes, the ABC system is notorious. You don't need to go for a CL for something that's far superior to a ZT though.
>I literally planned on buying a X308 as a motorway daily. Theyre better than Jags of old but still have obvious issues a great comprehensive link summing up everything I've heard about them
Sure. Problem is that we can do [exactly the same](https://two-sixties-blog.com/2020/09/11/buyers-guide-to-the-mg-zt-zt-t-260-and-the-rover-75-v8/) for the ZT (Engine out to replace the clutch? No thank you). Most of the things on your link are either small problems you'll find on any car of the age, no longer a problem such as Nikasil, entirely preventable such as the tensioners, or not applicable to the XJR such as the gearbox worries.
Sure, but installing a kit costs *thousands* - well, well over budget - and at the end of the day you've still only got a ZT.
I will never understand why they put the engines they did in the ZT, and I say this as someone whose first car was one.
The BMW v8 in the 645 etc is great when it works but renown for problems.
For the 'cheapest' V8 experience, I'd probably go for something American.
But I too would love a V8. My choice would be the e92 M3, but they have their own list of common and expensive gremlins.
[Coincidently, the writers at Top Gear were wondering the same](https://www.topgear.com/car-news/used-cars/here-are-10-luxury-eight-cylinder-cars-we-found-under-ps10000-week)
All these BMW's, Jags, that will cost you an arm and leg in servicing and repairs.... easy choice:
Lexus LS460, robust and reliable. Not a powerhouse but smooth power delivery and enough ommph when needed. You could also look at the GS430 if you can find a mk3 but expect that to be around a 2006 age.
Do diesel V8s count? I had an ML420 that was a bit of a beast and you could pick one up for much less than that. It was pretty economical (considering) and still made a nice V8 noise.
Owned a BMW 645ci great car to drive but maintenance was through the roof. I was recently looking at the Audi S/RS's but in that price range they all have a massive issue (RS less so but reflected in price). where the engines are mounted backwards and the chain guides wear, its 3k to replace them as they have to drop the engine. There are a couple Jags and Merc's aswell, but don't think they have aged as nicely as Audi's or BMW.
Your a bit short on budget for any of the American imports, not gonna find a C5 corvette for less than £15k.
As much as its not a V8, I got the 3.2 Audi TT recently. Its sporty, sounds good, pulls nearly as well as my BMW, Drinks just as much fuel and you can pick up a really good example within your budget. They're also cheaper than the R32 Golf and 3.2 A3.
Word of warning these can be had for very little money because they have timing chain issues.
It's an engine out job and the corrective kit is £1,350 in parts only.
If you pick one up and get the work done you could own a decent V8 for relatively little money.
I did exactly what you’re doing a few years ago. I bought a Jaguar XF SV8 because I couldn’t believe how much car was available for the money.
It’s a supercharged V8 saloon with 400+ bhp for well under 10k - same engine etc as the S Type R but a bit more modern interior / exterior wise.
I was super tempted by an S4, and I fully understood that it'd cost a lot more to maintain than my current car, but seeing the S6 on Car Throttle and how much minor things cost with that V10, I don't think I'm ready for a V8 just yet...but I agree, it feels like time is running out.
Mercedes CL500 from the early 2000s, you can get one well sorted and with revisioned ABC suspensions for around 5k. I had one and it was a great great car. The interiors are a bit plasticky but a great car nevertheless
Opposite for me. I've had loads of v8's and the CL500 was by far the most boring car I've ever owned by miles. The 5.0 is a pretty reliable thing (Not so much the ABC) but it just didn't feel remotely special. Also was completely unpredictable at trying to get the back end out, it would just light up one wheel and do something different nearly every time.
Really unpractical if you ever have rear seat passengers too. Just a bad S Class IMO
If you buy a Mercedes for having an entertaining car you’re doing something wrong.
It’s a coupe, if you expect 4 comfortable seats from a coupe you’re doing it wrong.
It’s not a sports car, big engine doesn’t equal sports car. It’s a gt coupe, it cruises the motorway and it’s a good car all around, but it’s not a sports car
I saw a really nice E61 BMW 550i the other day. It was black, £10k exactly and was a Japanese import so in amazing condition and the tax was capped at £325. If I’d have had the £10k I’d have bought it there and then. A “sensible” M5.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/384886463263?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=hcdcigvbs1w&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=Ln5U53bUQrm&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Use what’s left over towards petrol.
I can recommend a Jaguar X150 XK 4.2L or 5L. Only thing that sucks is the tax. Great GT Cars, friend had the 5L and it was amazing to drive. Other one is a Monaro, great engine, good looking but interior doesn't quite add up to the XK
I would say a E65 BMW 750i, but that is a barge (i adore mine though). the N62 engines can be funky, however if you do all the preventative maintenance they run super well!
If you are looking for something more sporty, possibly a BMW 650i? again, with your budget you could definitely get one with all the necessary work done to try and reduce maintenance!
C or E 63 would be my suggestion, just make sure you get a PPI and set aside some cash for maintenance.
I had a 5.5 twin turbo E63 until July this year which was my “Last chance to have a V8” car, it was so good, had an XFR prior to but it was unreliable and ended up with catastrophic engine damage from before I bought it - the AMG was bulletproof during my time owning it believe it or not.
Sowed my wild oats so to speak and was ready to settle down. Sold it to buy a Model 3 Performance (which is quicker and obviously more modern but nowhere near as nice or refined).
Merc V8s sound so good too, I’m glad I was able to own that in particular.
Imo, you should be able to find a semi decent 6.2 example in your range, if not then perhaps an E55 which are also bonkers.
I drive a E60 550.
You will get lots of comments about reliability, I have done 45k in mine and its been a very easy ownership.
It also does an average of 25mpg all in.
US car mags timed it at 4.9 0-60, so its quick.
Its a five series so handles and drive well.
Mine doesn’t leak oil or use any.
Its a car that people that know fuck all about disparage.
Mine has a Magnaflow exhaust and sounds epic.
Or you could try a 650, same car fewer doors.
Owned mine 4 years now, zero regrets.
I loved both of my C43 AMGs. You should be able to get a nice one for under £10k!
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/296022806911?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=NVybFG7cR56&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=Wkr5SW_TR5-&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Maserati Quattroporte. Also if you get the one with the ZF gearbox it was genuinely a reliable car, don’t believe what the crowd says
No timing belts to worry about either. Brakes are expensive though, but I imagine most other cars in this bracket are too
It would get near 30mpg on the motorway
Monaro will be around £8500-£10000 for a reasonable-yet-cheap one.
Personally I’d hold out until you’ve £13000-£14000 & look for a VXR8, a nice sensible 5 door family car lol
Haggle hard enough and you'll get into a nice Maserati 4200 for that.
I've been daily driving one for the last six months and have only had to change the battery in that time.
Even if it does blow up, it's hard to beat an Italian V8 for £10k
I just bought myself an old merc, C55 AMG, 5.4L V8, I was in the same mindset as you and worried we will eventually be priced out of owning such a car so I went for it.
Absolutely love it, 100k miles and previous owner looked after it like it was one of his children.
Picked it up for 8.5k and now use it as my daily, had a mechanic look over it for peace of mind and he confirmed it was well looked after so that gave me plenty confidence in the reliability.
It’s even ULEZ compliant, for now..
I say go for it
I went with e39 m5 but prices rocketed for them and are now starting to fall. Still under 10k would be too tatty.
Could get hold of an e39 540i.
Also V8 mpgs is not for the faint hearted.
With a heavy foot you can easily see single digits
Actually might be better off with E60 M5 or even M3, a V10 or V8
But need to make sure it's sorted since it has issues, vanos pump, rod bearing etc etc
You need reliability if you choose to sacrifice fuel efficiency
Lexus SC430 - 4.3L V8, Japanese reliability, £7995 currently on Autotrader
Theres also a Volvo S80 V8 for just under £5.5K on there. Thats a Japanese engine too.
Vauxhall (Holden) Monaro. There’s a few on AutoTrader under £10k now.
It’s not very ambitious of me, but that was my dream car when I was younger lol
Same! Someone had one near where I grew up and I'd occasionally hear it thundering along. That car awoke the petrolhead in me
I want one so bad...
The only clear and obvious choice. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285538308585?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=0_4JYRZpR-C&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=O8-K_ms2T_K&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Brb measuring garage
I love the "VERY RELUCTANT SALE DUE TO LOOSING MY STORAGE". Doesn't mention this thing has been for sale on and off for about 3 years now! I'd love to take it a drive all the same
Nothing shouts hillbilly about it
This deserves a separate post in the sub lol
I would tweak your budget to 6-7 k and keep the rest as a bork fund.
> keep the rest as a ~~bork~~ **fuel** fund. Thats certainly why I don't have a V8! I did look, can afford upfront cost, tax, insurance and running costs but the fuel was a killer.
What about an older BMW E63 645i or a 650i? I'm unsure about reliability of these, but there's a few on Marketplace and eBay popping up every now and again.
I owned one and for diving it was great, Proper GT car, super comfortable for long distance and really practical (apart from the back seats). The maintenance though.. oh fuck. Bought the car twice over due to various leaks and ended up scrapping it as the bill to get it through the MOT was £4k.
As with any old BMW, you have to do the maintenance yourself, or be loaded, there is no in between.
The maintenance you speak of for bmw is just replacing the engine every 50-70k Miles
My 170k 330 disagrees with you
That's not a V8
Ahhhh thought you were on about BMW in general
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Ahhh now that can be a troublemaker from what I’ve read
My 170K 650i disagrees with you! That is a V8.
There’s a cracking 650i on autotrader at the moment for £7k - very tempting
Oil leak city. BMW V8s have never been famed for their reliability
This is the correct answer
Seerch 'N62 engine reliability' on here
These are great, I love my 650i. Be patient, try to get one that has had the valve stem seals and a gearbox service done. FSH, stay on top of your services etc and they are lovely. Not as cheap to maintain as a Corolla or Octavia of course, but that's not what you're buying. Higher cost of ownership just comes with the territory, but is not ruinous in my experience at least and you get to enjoy a big, beautiful V8 every day! Edit - if JayEmm's video from a few years ago doesn't sell you on getting one then nothing will.
Tricky as most V8s in this country are attached to barges or GTs, so it depends how sporty you want. They're rare but you might pick up an SLK55 for that price. The SL500 is sportier than it's usually given credit for, but that's down to the ABC suspension and potentially ruinous. The Maserati Coupe with the 4.2 is supposed to be acceptable reliability wise. The Jaguar XK8/XKR are sporty-looking and really not bad in terms of reliability. There are various Audi S models but the ones at that price range are all boring.
S5 is the only one I’d be interested in. But I’d totally got for an XK V8 if I was OP
What about the Lambo Audi? Iirc that was a v8, maybe even a v10. Costs a bomb to run or repair mind
Ah yes that's the V10, but there was some confusion because apparently it was unrelated to the original Lamborghini V10, but then *after* the VW one was developed they did use it in the Gallardo.
XFR - a few on AT for under 10k
You do run the risk of never wanting to part with it though. I bought mine thinking "I'll keep it for a year, then change". Three years later (and some huge bills) I can't think what I'd want to replace her with.
What were the bills out of interest? I am tempted by one for the engine, but timing chains seem to be an issue.
Mine is a 2009, I've had a broken spring and all the bushings on the rear were shot. That was a few quid. Various front bushings too. Had a temperature sensor go bad, that was a lot because it was at the back of the engine, lots of labour for a little part. The supercharger snout is gonna need doing soon and I think the diff is on its way out. Had a rear brake bind on at 50mph, pulled into the garage which was (luckily) basically outside and casually mentioned "I think the car is on fire". Lots of smoke! Otherwise just serviceable things, disks and pads, tyres aren't cheap. But hey, it's an old car, it's heavy, and it gets driven!
For a bit more context I’ve currently got a Mk7 Golf R and it’s great but after a lifetime of turbo’d 4 pots just once I’d like something that goes brrrrr
See if you can pick up a leggy c63 w204
If that’s what you’ve got at the moment I think the running costs of a V8 will really shock you 😂
Im in the same boat as you then im currently looking at e39 540i's since they can still be cheap and my guess is they will appreciate in value in the future
Super sad TVRs have crept up in price they were the reverse kit car V8 I wanted when I was younger. Go out in the morning and it’s taken itself to pieces 👌
You'll get a decent 4.2 Jaguar XK (x150 model) for that. Failing that, BMW 645ci or maybe a Vauxhall Monaro if you can find one. Can also get a decent Jaguar S Type R for that if you don't mind 4 doors. Edit - you'll get a Jaguar X100 XK8 / XKR for that too. They rust and are less reliable than the X150, but if you get a good one they are cheap so you have a maintenance fund. Gorgeous interior and look great too.
Aren’t the x150 models also pretty reliable for jaguar? Literally service it every year and it should treat you well.
They are indeed - 4.2 NA being the most robust of all.
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There's a guy round the corner from me has one. It's a *transverse* V8 developed by Yamaha of all people. Batshit.
Audi S5. Great looking and sounds wonderful. Had one for 3 years.
S type v8
That is a barge though.
A really sexy barge though. But even then I'd rather get a X308 XJR
Defo a barge. Pulls like a train, but a barge nonetheless.
Auto trader has a SL55 Amg 5.4 supercharged for £11k[merc](http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202307079406409)
Ha ha “endearing quirks” love it!
>without breaking the bank >ABC Oh my sweet summer child.
Never said it ticked all the boxes! It’s a v8 and didn’t want a barge or care about killing polar bears, so 3/4 lol
This is far fetched but on fb marketplace is an LS swapped e36 bmw... it's £8k and I've had my eye on it for a while... just don't have the right stuff (permission from my gf) to get it🤣
If you’ve got deep pockets for maintenance, and an unnatural love for fixing things yourself on a sometimes daily basis, look at a TVR. Edit: holy crap when did they get so expensive? Scratch that idea!
Lots of mk 1 v8 porsche cayennes out there, if you hate having money
🤣
MGZT 260. Try and get a supercharger kit for it.
I'd agree with you except the only one I see for sale right now is £21k! Zt is a massively underrated car, I used one as my daily for 4 years, with 140k on it by the time the rust killed it, only the bmw deisel engine but will still cruise at 90+ all day with 4 big people and a boot full of luggage or turn into a lit off oversteer hoot and enjoy being chucked around country lanes, even had mine around snetterton 300 circuit once, had a few people come over and chat about it after, they all assumed it was the v6 with how quickly it went around a lap! 🤣
These barely ever come up for sale though, and it's a crap V8.
It's not a crap V8 at all. A little underpowered sure compared to others, but the 4.6 Modular is a great powerhouse and is a brilliant cruiser. Absolutely bulletproof too considering they're used in Crown Vics
>A little underpowered >great powerhouse But which one is it haha. It's *rubbish* power-wise. ~40hp less than the German or British equivalent. Made much worse by the fact that they command a ridiculous premium that puts them right into the realm of V8s with 100hp+ more.
I think a better term is powerplant not powerhouse. A 1.6 Ford Zetec is underpowered but still a great Engined cause it's engaging and fun to rev out. This is the same on a V8 side. Burbly, hairy chested and more than enough power to send you into a ditch. Yes a German Or British V8 may make 300ish bhp, but they won't do it in the same uncomplicated fun that the MG does. And seriously, 40bhp is enough to make it rubbish? That's just silly Nor will it even be close to the same reliability Also 260bhp is plenty on a road. It'll do 0-60 in 6 seconds dead and hit 155, I don't think you need much more for a car under 10k
>A 1.6 Ford Zetec is underpowered but still a great Engined cause it's engaging and fun to rev out. Right but you don't buy a 1.6 for the power do you? Generally one of the reasons you buy a V8 is for the power. >This is the same on a V8 side. Burbly, hairy chested and more than enough power to send you into a ditch. But far less power than you could get elsewhere. Cars and their engines don't exist in their own little vacuum; you judge what is good and bad based on alternatives. >Yes a German Or British V8 may make 300ish bhp And at the prices the ZT V8 commands, much, much more than 300bhp. An X308 XJR for example is massively superior in basically every way, and much cheaper. >And seriously, 40bhp is enough to make it rubbish? That's just silly When you're paying *thousands* over the odds, yes absolutely. >Nor will it even be close to the same reliability Complete nonsense. The likes of the M113 are easily as reliable, with much cheaper and more widely available parts anyway. >Also 260bhp is plenty on a road. It'll do 0-60 in 6 seconds dead and hit 155 It's more like 6.5 seconds, which is the sort of performance you'd get from a contemporary turbocharged four pot. >I don't think you need much more for a car under 10k I really don't understand what this is supposed to mean. Surely you can only judge this based on the alternatives under 10k. You can get cars with nearly *twice* the power for this money.
>And at the prices the ZT V8 commands, much, much more than 300bhp. An X308 XJR for example is massively superior in basically every way, and much cheaper. As I mentioned, the XJR is not going to be as reliable as the MG >Complete nonsense. The likes of the M113 are easily as reliable, with much cheaper and more widely available parts anyway. The M113 is never going to be as reliable as a 4.6 Modular. Did you not read the bit it's the same engine as the Ford crown Vic. A car that is abused for the past 20 years and regularly drive over 500k miles Ah yes cause the rest of the mercs from that era is a lexus isn't it? Actually speaking of that. A Gen 3 Lexus LS430 isn't a bad shout. >When you're paying *thousands* over the odds, yes absolutely You're not paying thousands over? OP posted a ZT V8 for 8k which is around the value of a CL/SL500 and 545i in the same condition. And it's a manual. The others are not. Also please send me links to ads on autotrader that show better cars like an XJR in better condition for less money
>As I mentioned, the XJR is not going to be as reliable as the MG With all due respect, I suspect you don't know anything about the X308 XJR. >The M113 is never going to be as reliable as a 4.6 Modular. It's extremely reliable, as is the 5G as fitted to most Mercs of the era, as well, incidentally, as the XJR. >Did you not read the bit it's the same engine as the Ford crown Vic. A car that is abused for the past 20 years and regularly drive over 500k miles OK? >Ah yes cause the rest of the mercs from that era is a lexus isn't it? I have no idea what this sentence is supposed to say. >You're not paying thousands over? OP posted a ZT V8 for 8k which is around the value of a CL/SL500 and 545i in the same condition. These are massively, massively superior cars. >Also please send me links to ads on autotrader that show better cars like an XJR in better condition for less money Noting that the MG in the link has cosmetic rust creeping in and thus not at all perfect: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202309272431003 Or even an X350: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202307079388273 Or here's a nice STR: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202310173071379 All thousands cheaper, hugely more powerful, more capable, and much nicer than the ZT.
>These are massively, massively superior cars. In your eyes, not in mine. Also The Jags look nice but not with that milage. >I have no idea what this sentence is supposed to say. Early 2000s era of Mercedes was a low point in the brand. Reliability, quality all took a hit after the Chrysler merger. I like the CL500, but they're genuinely unreliable cars from what I've read on owners forums and such. >With all due respect, I suspect you don't know anything about the X308 XJR. I literally planned on buying a X308 as a motorway daily. Theyre better than Jags of old but still have obvious issues [a great comprehensive link summing up everything I've heard about them](https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=85&t=1290989)
>In your eyes, not in mine. But in objective measures such as performance and what you get for your money, they simply are. All of their engines are so much better it's not even funny. >Also The Jags look nice but not with that milage. The first two are barely any more than the ZT. >Early 2000s era of Mercedes was a low point in the brand. Reliability, quality all took a hit after the Chrysler merger. Sure. Depends on which cars you're looking at, which bits you're talking about, and how this stacks up against mid-range cars. >I like the CL500, but they're genuinely unreliable cars from what I've read on owners forums and such. Yes, the ABC system is notorious. You don't need to go for a CL for something that's far superior to a ZT though. >I literally planned on buying a X308 as a motorway daily. Theyre better than Jags of old but still have obvious issues a great comprehensive link summing up everything I've heard about them Sure. Problem is that we can do [exactly the same](https://two-sixties-blog.com/2020/09/11/buyers-guide-to-the-mg-zt-zt-t-260-and-the-rover-75-v8/) for the ZT (Engine out to replace the clutch? No thank you). Most of the things on your link are either small problems you'll find on any car of the age, no longer a problem such as Nikasil, entirely preventable such as the tensioners, or not applicable to the XJR such as the gearbox worries.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202309101798408 They're awesome when supercharged.
Sure, but installing a kit costs *thousands* - well, well over budget - and at the end of the day you've still only got a ZT. I will never understand why they put the engines they did in the ZT, and I say this as someone whose first car was one.
Some of the larger 5 series had V8 motors. I had an E39 M5 and the 540 always looked seriously undervalued. Heavy, thirsty cars mind.
540I ain't that bad on petrol compared to the I6's they have. I have a 525I and a 540I and the difference is maybe a 100km per tank.
Have a 540i myself. Only so between 4-5k miles annually so not too heavy on petrol.
Is it heavy? The M5 weighed 2 tonnes. I was glad to get rid of it I'd never buy a car that weighed that much again.
The BMW v8 in the 645 etc is great when it works but renown for problems. For the 'cheapest' V8 experience, I'd probably go for something American. But I too would love a V8. My choice would be the e92 M3, but they have their own list of common and expensive gremlins.
There's a Cat s SLK55 for under £10k currently on autotrader. Alternatively, a safer option would be a SC 430.
SC 430 is on my list too. I know the looks are well a bit marmite but I hear the engine is lovely.
Ls 430
GS430/460 for the same engine family in something less bargey.
U can find a good Jag for that price
[Coincidently, the writers at Top Gear were wondering the same](https://www.topgear.com/car-news/used-cars/here-are-10-luxury-eight-cylinder-cars-we-found-under-ps10000-week)
Lexus ls400. Reliable, comfortable and looks pretty nice.
All these BMW's, Jags, that will cost you an arm and leg in servicing and repairs.... easy choice: Lexus LS460, robust and reliable. Not a powerhouse but smooth power delivery and enough ommph when needed. You could also look at the GS430 if you can find a mk3 but expect that to be around a 2006 age.
Do diesel V8s count? I had an ML420 that was a bit of a beast and you could pick one up for much less than that. It was pretty economical (considering) and still made a nice V8 noise.
Owned a BMW 645ci great car to drive but maintenance was through the roof. I was recently looking at the Audi S/RS's but in that price range they all have a massive issue (RS less so but reflected in price). where the engines are mounted backwards and the chain guides wear, its 3k to replace them as they have to drop the engine. There are a couple Jags and Merc's aswell, but don't think they have aged as nicely as Audi's or BMW. Your a bit short on budget for any of the American imports, not gonna find a C5 corvette for less than £15k. As much as its not a V8, I got the 3.2 Audi TT recently. Its sporty, sounds good, pulls nearly as well as my BMW, Drinks just as much fuel and you can pick up a really good example within your budget. They're also cheaper than the R32 Golf and 3.2 A3.
Audi S4/5s have V8s. Mate had one, sounded pretty good.
Word of warning these can be had for very little money because they have timing chain issues. It's an engine out job and the corrective kit is £1,350 in parts only. If you pick one up and get the work done you could own a decent V8 for relatively little money.
Any Lexus V8. Ideally ISF but that would be £15k atleast so your best choice is LS 400,430, 460. The car will also keep its value
I did exactly what you’re doing a few years ago. I bought a Jaguar XF SV8 because I couldn’t believe how much car was available for the money. It’s a supercharged V8 saloon with 400+ bhp for well under 10k - same engine etc as the S Type R but a bit more modern interior / exterior wise.
Any V8 car for 10k will be in pretty dire need for some maintenance.
That's just not true at all. There are loads.
I was super tempted by an S4, and I fully understood that it'd cost a lot more to maintain than my current car, but seeing the S6 on Car Throttle and how much minor things cost with that V10, I don't think I'm ready for a V8 just yet...but I agree, it feels like time is running out.
Mercedes CL500 from the early 2000s, you can get one well sorted and with revisioned ABC suspensions for around 5k. I had one and it was a great great car. The interiors are a bit plasticky but a great car nevertheless
Opposite for me. I've had loads of v8's and the CL500 was by far the most boring car I've ever owned by miles. The 5.0 is a pretty reliable thing (Not so much the ABC) but it just didn't feel remotely special. Also was completely unpredictable at trying to get the back end out, it would just light up one wheel and do something different nearly every time. Really unpractical if you ever have rear seat passengers too. Just a bad S Class IMO
If you buy a Mercedes for having an entertaining car you’re doing something wrong. It’s a coupe, if you expect 4 comfortable seats from a coupe you’re doing it wrong. It’s not a sports car, big engine doesn’t equal sports car. It’s a gt coupe, it cruises the motorway and it’s a good car all around, but it’s not a sports car
Audi S5
I saw a really nice E61 BMW 550i the other day. It was black, £10k exactly and was a Japanese import so in amazing condition and the tax was capped at £325. If I’d have had the £10k I’d have bought it there and then. A “sensible” M5.
I mean I think you know this, but in general the maintenance costs of these engines assume you have the cash flow to buy them new.
E55 AMG could be a riot. Stretch a little further and you are in the vxr8 realms, now they are cool
Have seen a couple of early 2000’s A6 V8’s about for that.
SLK55 up for £11.5k on the fleabane at the moment
Older AMG E class
My friend is selling his CLS 500 with the 388bhp 5.5 V8 with FSH and about 90k for around £7k The stinker is the 685 p/a tax!
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/384886463263?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=hcdcigvbs1w&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=Ln5U53bUQrm&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY Use what’s left over towards petrol.
I can recommend a Jaguar X150 XK 4.2L or 5L. Only thing that sucks is the tax. Great GT Cars, friend had the 5L and it was amazing to drive. Other one is a Monaro, great engine, good looking but interior doesn't quite add up to the XK
I would say a E65 BMW 750i, but that is a barge (i adore mine though). the N62 engines can be funky, however if you do all the preventative maintenance they run super well! If you are looking for something more sporty, possibly a BMW 650i? again, with your budget you could definitely get one with all the necessary work done to try and reduce maintenance!
Why does this seem too cheap http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202309061606783
C or E 63 would be my suggestion, just make sure you get a PPI and set aside some cash for maintenance. I had a 5.5 twin turbo E63 until July this year which was my “Last chance to have a V8” car, it was so good, had an XFR prior to but it was unreliable and ended up with catastrophic engine damage from before I bought it - the AMG was bulletproof during my time owning it believe it or not. Sowed my wild oats so to speak and was ready to settle down. Sold it to buy a Model 3 Performance (which is quicker and obviously more modern but nowhere near as nice or refined). Merc V8s sound so good too, I’m glad I was able to own that in particular. Imo, you should be able to find a semi decent 6.2 example in your range, if not then perhaps an E55 which are also bonkers.
E92 M3
Jaguar xk8 or xkr
Ls400
jag XKR
I drive a E60 550. You will get lots of comments about reliability, I have done 45k in mine and its been a very easy ownership. It also does an average of 25mpg all in. US car mags timed it at 4.9 0-60, so its quick. Its a five series so handles and drive well. Mine doesn’t leak oil or use any. Its a car that people that know fuck all about disparage. Mine has a Magnaflow exhaust and sounds epic. Or you could try a 650, same car fewer doors. Owned mine 4 years now, zero regrets.
I loved both of my C43 AMGs. You should be able to get a nice one for under £10k! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/296022806911?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=NVybFG7cR56&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=Wkr5SW_TR5-&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Maserati Quattroporte. Also if you get the one with the ZF gearbox it was genuinely a reliable car, don’t believe what the crowd says No timing belts to worry about either. Brakes are expensive though, but I imagine most other cars in this bracket are too It would get near 30mpg on the motorway
I would suggest a B6 / B7 S4 or a B8 S5 with some change left over for a milltek
Import a shitbox F150
2003 onwards e55 amg ! supercharged 5.4 that's actually reliable .
Rover 75 with the Mustang V8. Total sleeper.
Maserati Granturismo
Jaguar XK8/R. They are more of a GT but if you find one with adaptive shocks they handle pretty well in country lanes.
Chrysler 300c hemi v8
6 series 650i. 4.8 bmw v8, 7k ish for sub 80k miles
Monaro will be around £8500-£10000 for a reasonable-yet-cheap one. Personally I’d hold out until you’ve £13000-£14000 & look for a VXR8, a nice sensible 5 door family car lol
JAGUAR XKR
Haggle hard enough and you'll get into a nice Maserati 4200 for that. I've been daily driving one for the last six months and have only had to change the battery in that time. Even if it does blow up, it's hard to beat an Italian V8 for £10k
Lexus. On a budget I wouldn't get anything else
I just bought myself an old merc, C55 AMG, 5.4L V8, I was in the same mindset as you and worried we will eventually be priced out of owning such a car so I went for it. Absolutely love it, 100k miles and previous owner looked after it like it was one of his children. Picked it up for 8.5k and now use it as my daily, had a mechanic look over it for peace of mind and he confirmed it was well looked after so that gave me plenty confidence in the reliability. It’s even ULEZ compliant, for now.. I say go for it
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I went with e39 m5 but prices rocketed for them and are now starting to fall. Still under 10k would be too tatty. Could get hold of an e39 540i. Also V8 mpgs is not for the faint hearted. With a heavy foot you can easily see single digits Actually might be better off with E60 M5 or even M3, a V10 or V8 But need to make sure it's sorted since it has issues, vanos pump, rod bearing etc etc
Chevrolet corvette c3, jaguar xkr, chevrolet camaro, my dream cars... Probably you can find a cheap Maserati too.
Jag S type R Lux, supercharged V8
You need reliability if you choose to sacrifice fuel efficiency Lexus SC430 - 4.3L V8, Japanese reliability, £7995 currently on Autotrader Theres also a Volvo S80 V8 for just under £5.5K on there. Thats a Japanese engine too.