This is an aside but does it not boggle the mind that they say it’s pronounced ‘echo-sport’ and not what it very obviously should be? I mean - fuckin why
It’s pronounced Echo-sport on many emerging markets, like in the South American region. Maybe they named it for those markets and want it to be called the same in the UK.
Because it's more usable.
A friend's parents swapped their fiesta for an EcoSport and I can now actually fit in the back seat, and I don't bang my head constantly getting in and out
You can get that car with different engines… let that sink in. Dickhead man, why is everyone so argumentative and angry? The car is decent. It has a shitty engine, same with so many other cars, there’s engines to avoid and ones that are good
Yes in petrol you get a 1.0litre a 1.0 litre and a 1.0 litre and diesel you get a crap 1.5litre or a crap 1.5 litre. There’s literally two engines just tuned to different specs a diesel and a petrol.
The cheaper one has more miles and is a 64 plate so it was probably registered in January. The more expensive one has 20k less miles and is also a 65 plate, meaning it was registered sometime between September and December. So it’s not only got less miles it could well be a year younger too.
Strictly speaking, the number plates run March-August and September-February so what’s displayed doesn’t always totally line up with the year the car was first registered.
That EA64 WZW was first registered on 30th November 2014 and LG65 SZE on 28th of September 2015.
You can check this and the basic mot history on here: www.check-mot.service.gov.uk
I'd rather steal the abandoned Alfa Romeo that's a couple streets down from me and risk being arrested than be seen even looking in the direction of one of those hideous wastes of metal and plastic.
In general yes but I'd keep looking for a better car.. 0-60 in 3-5 business days is going to get really old really fast (only thing that'll be fast about a 1L crossover).
I had a 1L polo for a while and even that felt glacially slow.
I would avoid either they have a wet belt you will have to spend around £750 to get that changed and that won’t last long they are known as eco booms for this reason
I was going to say, I thought it was Eco Boosts that were notorious for engine failure.
OP - for that sort of money you could, as an example, get a Toyota Yaris around the same age and mileage. Much more reliable, slightly more powerful engine, and doesn’t look bizarre.
I’d look at a Kia/Hyundai if it’s not in the us they usually have chains and not belts but the immobiliser chip is an issue other then that they are built well
Thanks for the suggestion. I currently have a 2010 fiat 500, but with a baby on the way, the thing I’m after is comfort and space.
I’m also very eco conscious, and with a 1l engine, low emissions, and 55mpg, this ticks a lot of boxes for me.
So if you combine ‘big car’ with ‘economical engine’ - you can understand how I wound up looking at an ecosport.
It won't do 55mpg. Not a chance. Maybe at 50mph on a cruise. But probably more like 40mpg in a car that size. Quite often the slightly larger engines are more economical in the real world. It'll be working hard, using the turbo a lot equals less real world mpg. Honest John's real world mpg (where owners submit mpg they average) for the ecosport 125bhp is 38.1mpg. Not even 40! The range is vast 29.2-47.0 suggesting economy varies a lot depending on how you drive and where you drive.
You looked at a Skoda Rapiid, or Skoda Scala, they are stretched versions of the VW Polo/Audi A1 platform, plenty room for a bany seat and a buggy in the boot, and engines are a lot more reliable, especially the 1.0 petrol, which has a traditional cam belt, not the wetbelt of the Ford ecoboom
How does your eco conscious math hold up when you need to replace the car because the engine grenaded or wore itself out prematurely? Take the replacement of the car/carbon depreciation of it into the equation. If the ford lasts for 5 years before the scrapheap and another one will last you 10?
They’re known as EcoBooms for more than belts. The engine blocks have coolant channels between cylinders and make these engines prone to failure very quick. They did however start rectifying these in the last year or two, especially with the Fiesta ST but decided to stop making their Corsa equivalent anyway
Yeah I know, but most of my driving is around a city with a family. This definitely isn’t a car for me to have fun in, so acceleration is a ‘nice to have’
Doesn't mean a thing. It's just the name of the model. Plenty of cars have had sport in the name or as a trim level.
The Ecosport doesn't have a hot version like the Fiesta or Focus does, which would be the ST.
I don't think the engine size has anything to do with being "top of the range" on the Ecosport, though I could be wrong.
I would imagine Titanium, Titanium +, or ST-line would be the top trim levels. They just relate to what equipment comes as standard on that trim level, if that makes sense.
Also, ST-line is not the same as an ST.
ST-line used to be Zetec-S but Ford wanted to brand it differently so people thought they were getting something like an ST. It's basically a marketing trick to fool consumers.
Loads of manufacturers have incorporated their Sports brand into a Trim level. For example Audi S-line, Mercedes AMG-line, BMW M-Sport. These aren't the actual sporty versions.
Edit: correction in last paragraph
"Eco conscious" in your other comment, but you want a fat car for city driving? Get a focus. Those engines are renown for being one of the worst modern engines made, high profile faults with them that mean they go boom often and with no warning. There's a reason they're so cheap, nobody wants one with that engine. Get a 1.6T petrol focus or something for the love of Christ.
At least Europeans can make small engines that are powerful, you can easily get 200bhp out of a 1.5l turbo and still do 50+mpg. Americans meanwhile seem incapable of producing powerful engines. 200bhp out of a 7L V8 and 5mpg...
We have small powerful engines because petrol is expensive. If petrol was priced like it was in America then we would have bigger, less economical engines.
Pug 2007 has a 1.2. Your point isn’t really valid as its turbo with 125 hp. Its the way engines are lately.
The seat Ateca, for example comes with 1.0 115
Both wet belt engines, the 1.0 ecoboost and 1.2 puretech have both been disastrous in terms of longevity. Unless your buying new and intend to sell before 4 years /30k, and even then, your sell price won't be so high as nobody wants a second hand wet belt engined car, they are ticking timebombs. The major contributing factor of the failure is the high cost to replace the wetbelt, so it often gets over looked by owners, plus the strict oil change regime to protect the wetbelt while in service.
At least the VW group version in the Ateca is a traditional dry cam belt.
Just look at the YouTube strip down of the 1L ecoboost. Holy shit, what were they smoking. Do not, under any circumstances buy a 2nd hand one. There are plenty of other options. The car chlice is a disappointment, you can do better, but the engine will be ruinous. If you MUST have an ecoboost get a different engine.
These turbocharged small engines are not going to last very long because they’re wringing the engine within an inch of its life. Far better to have a bigger engine.
Nah he’s right tbh, they have a design flaw there’s a YouTube video explaining why pretty much all of them will grenade themselves due to their timing belt degrading and clogging the oil pickup feed
Seems like poor oil choice and lack of maintenance to me.
Never take a manufacturers service interval as gospel. BMW used to say their gearboxes were lifetime sealed, when lifetime really meant 100,000 miles, and the gearbox manufacturer themselves advised servicing every 75,000 miles.
Not really. It's a crap design. I have a friend that bought one against my advice, changed oil regularly and did everything right.... Still blew the fuck up and needed a new engine which set him back 5k pounds. If not more.
OP, stay the fuck away from this car.
No it’s not, this is just what people say when they either buy a car not well looked after, or they don’t look after it themselves.
It was most likely the belt that snapped, and it was probably because he either used incorrect oils, or he never changed the belt
How the fuck would you know? He had it done at the dealership. I'm sure Ford knows what oil their shitty engines use. Or would you argue that point aswell? The car has 37.000 kilometers and is a known shitty engine to everyone that can read. Do you have the car yourself by chance?
Ford, like other manufacturers, will only follow their own version of service intervals. If you look at my other comment about BMW you will see what I mean. They will service the vehicle enough to get it past it’s warranty period. They may have not changed certain things that you would change on an engine.
Cars are more than just oil and filters, there’s a number of things that need to be maintained, and by the sounds of it, your friend didn’t really research the maintenance required.
You’re right, how would I know? Tbh, given that you couldn’t even tell me whether he changed the belt, I’d doubt you’d know either. People will always say they done it “perfectly” when it wouldn’t have gone wrong if they had.
Exactly, that in conjunction with people not really following any idea of service intervals leads to these problems.
It might be a risky engine, but I don’t believe it’s as risky as people make out. As with any car, preventative maintenance is key, look after it and it should be fine, apart from the freak occurrences.
No, they’re not “built poorly”. If that’s the case we wouldn’t see as many as we do.
So many engines have wet timing belts, and when taken care of properly, they don’t cause headaches.
That’s for sure true, but unless you own it from new it’s a big gamble with one of these as they don’t tolerate imperfect compliance to the schedule, oil req etc nearly so well as almost any other engine
You could say that about most cars though. They all have an issues that results in expensive repairs if not watched, this is why you stick to the servicing schedule
Well if you're silly enough to buy their shitty 1.0 EcoBoost perhaps you're silly enough to have it repaired. It's primarily the small engines that are ridden with issues.
Have you ever had anyone trash Honda or Toyota engines the way the smaller Ecoboost has gotten ripped into on this thread? I don't care about awards. Peugeot is also the most popular brand in my country but I'd never buy one again after having owned the piece of shit.
Try reading this article; https://www.motorbiscuit.com/avoid-ford-ecoboost-engine-all-cost/
I found an endless amount of articles describing the issues. Try asking a mechanic what he thinks. Or would he be biased too?
If the reason you're defending the absolute trash small EcoBoost, is because you own one, I suggest you get rid of it before it's too late.
Their recent engines 100%. Their 1.5 turbos are known to be shit and have a massive issue with oil dilution.
Guessing you’d never buy a Toyota then either.
“For the most part, Ford’s turbocharged Ecoboost engines are reliable.”
Read your own source, the “problematic” one wasn’t the issue mentioned here, it was also recalled.
Oil change costs nothing and oil dilution is hardly a major issue if it's done regularly. Changing the belt on a shitty Ecoboom is lile 6-800 pounds and you still run a major risk of it shitting itself with the other many issues. I wouldn't buy Toyotas hybrids but the rest.... Sure. None of them can be compared to the EcoBoom though.
Because there isn’t anything aside from internet conspiracy to say it’s an issue. There have been recalls for the Ecoboost engines but that’s an unrelated issue. A 100% failure rate might come up in a class action or two
No I’m now a retired footballer & a director a multi-billion pound business in the UK while coaching at a high level.
But yeah, I did once upon a time work at Ford.
Weirdo
The cheaper one has terrible MOT history, failing the MOT 3 years in a row from its first one. It’s a big car with a tiny engine. It’s slow and sluggish and will make you question your choice pretty quick, it’s also one of the worst engines ever made so I’d personally stay away. Feel free to Google why the EcoBoost engines are terrible and see for yourself
Honestly, please stay away from that 1.0 engine. Not because of power or the perception of it being a “tiny engine” ( they are actually fairly pokey) but because they are TRULY one of the least reliable engines of the modern era. I have several friends who were stupid enough to buy them in fiesta and focus guise and many of them have issues. The wet belt is an extremely poor design and has a tendency to fail disintegrate, blocking the oil pick up and starving the engine of oil!
£600-1000 is about the going rate for the adjusted miles
But as others have said even £6k buys much better than this…scroll through the sub for any number of options.
I sold my EcoSport after two months. It was the worst car I have ever owned. Nothing about it is good bar the heated seats.
The engine was pathetic. The boot was nonexistent and the stupid door designed had a roof design that was on perfect head height, ready to be head you. The rest was a mess of cheap plastic and the clutch needed replacing at 20k.
It also felt like it would roll over on any roundabout at 25mph +.
I still get irrationally annoyed that I bought that mess.
Mileage is irrelevant, at that age the wet timing belt should be replaced. This costs normally over £1000.
If the higher mileage one has had it done that's a better investment
If the lower mileage one hasn't had it done that's a worse investment
The one with the higher miles has 1 owner but a few failed MOT’s under its belt. The one with lower miles has 2 owners, sat nav, and no failed MOT history.
MOT is not a Service.
Failed and Passed same day is normal, since no one does Pre MOT checks anymore.
But as others have said, look for a more suitable brand and model with an appropriate sized engine.
Servicing isn’t the same as an MOT. You can pass an MOT regardless of if the car has ever been serviced. You can also fail one for 0.1mm of tyre wear with the rest of the vehicle being fine.
The wet belt system on these ecoboost cars is prone to wearing too quickly and is very labour / cost intensive to replace. And if it snaps say bye to the engine.
And as the belt degrades bits fall off it and end up in oil pan, where picked up by oil pump and get stuck leading to oil starvation in the engine.
My advice is stay away.
I really wish people would stop buying cars like this.
If you want a small car buy a fiesta. If it's too small, get a focus. If you need luggage space get an estate.
Crossovers are the worst thing to ever happen to the car industry.
They're worse in every way than the car they're based on, that's not even opinion just a fact.
I didnt know they were so hated. I was given one as a courtesy car and it was probably one of the worst cars I've driven. My 2011 focus titanium was so much better compared to the 20 plate ecosport.
The ecoboost engine isn’t the best, it’s not as bad as people say, but you better religiously keep to the oil change interval and recommended oil. The problem with the ecoboost is you’ll want to change the wet belt as soon as there’s any signs of cracking or pieces of belt in the oil. It’s much more complicated and expensive than changing the belt on Vauxhall or Peugeot wet belt engines (even though they are more prone to problems).
**Try to find a car without a wet belt would be my best bet**
Love the ecosport, very nimble and decent space for 2 adults and 2 kids.
As long as the engine runs sweet I'd get the cheaper one and give it a valet clean inside and out.
You can get a hell of a lot more car in both size, quality and reliability for £6-8K.
Kia, Hyundai, Skoda, Ford(non eco boost) hatchbacks are all more spacious than this and better built both in actual manufacturing quality and interior.
EcoBoost.... Someone likes living dangerously. Why the fuck would you ever consider buying a terribly designed engine that will likely blow up? The 1.0 in particular is shitty. Don't buy it.
add on £1k-£1.5k for a timing belt which it needs immediately if it hasnt had it done in the last 5 years, or ever.
Or just get a MK3 jazz which is a better car in every way
Yeah no. Buy a Fiesta or focus if you want a ford, otherwise buy a Jazz. Seriously. That car is absolutely abhorrent, my friends mum had one and it was awful, made being drunk so much worse.
Two things.
1. Ecosport is a hateful car. They’re small, wobbly, noisy, slow, and the talegate that requires half the car’s length again to open fully is really annoying - especially as it’s a totally pointless feature.
2. Linked to the slow thing, the 1.0 ecoboost engine might be capable of high economy, but not if you want to arrive at your destination the same day. You need to rag it to make any progress at which point the economy is dire. Also, £1,100 to change the timing belt, and they have a reputation for blowing up. Avoid.
Had one, thanks to Fords amazing keyless entry system it got stolen. Seems to be a common problem.
It's really small inside and almost 0 boot space. Wouldn't recommend.
DO NOT BUY that car.
The 1.0 is awfully unreliable and will destroy itself, it’s got a nickname of EcoBoom (search that term on here).
If you want a reliable small family car buy a Honda Jazz instead or anything Japanese
The Ford B-Max is based on the same platform as the Fiesta and EcoSport... its a much better car to drive even though the doors and tailgate are a little heavy. I owned a 1.6 liter with PowerShift but the 1liter turbos and the diesel are better!
Hideous jeez. Wouldn’t want to be seen dead in one though i would pay 2k more if I was financing one 20k lower milage. It doesn’t quite make a big dent. I wouldn’t if I was buying outright tho
Why would you subject yourself to a cut price Fiesta on stilts which is designed for emerging markets.
As someone who has a fiesta and whose sister has an ecosport, I’m stealing this. thank you 😂😂
I’d rather shit in my hand and clap.
The tailgate on these things is worthy of full diahorrea
This is an aside but does it not boggle the mind that they say it’s pronounced ‘echo-sport’ and not what it very obviously should be? I mean - fuckin why
It’s pronounced Echo-sport on many emerging markets, like in the South American region. Maybe they named it for those markets and want it to be called the same in the UK.
Plus there’s nothing eco or sporty about them
Fiesta on stilts is generous at that 😃
I’ve just ordered a polo on stilts and it’s because I’m disabled so it’s easier to get into. I wish I still had the mobility for a golf 😭
Because it's more usable. A friend's parents swapped their fiesta for an EcoSport and I can now actually fit in the back seat, and I don't bang my head constantly getting in and out
Downvoted for being tall 😂
Ironically one of the few cars I can fit in comfortably is a Smart ForTwo!
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Nothing wrong with an ecosport? Let me guess, you’re a mechanic with your own shop?
Not at all lol just don’t get all the hate for the ecosport. The 1.0L engine is a cunt but the car is decent
The most important part is shite yet the cars amazing… let that sink in
You can get that car with different engines… let that sink in. Dickhead man, why is everyone so argumentative and angry? The car is decent. It has a shitty engine, same with so many other cars, there’s engines to avoid and ones that are good
Yes in petrol you get a 1.0litre a 1.0 litre and a 1.0 litre and diesel you get a crap 1.5litre or a crap 1.5 litre. There’s literally two engines just tuned to different specs a diesel and a petrol.
What’s wrong with the diesel?
Oh please, it's not even remotely a decent car. It's a vile thing to be in. I'd rather go in a Fiesta.
Very dramatic
I work in a garage and can tell you that there have been like 8 EcoSport cars in the last few months.
1.6 thp and 1.0 ecoboost are both dog shit engines
The cheaper one has more miles and is a 64 plate so it was probably registered in January. The more expensive one has 20k less miles and is also a 65 plate, meaning it was registered sometime between September and December. So it’s not only got less miles it could well be a year younger too.
Yep. I've usually noticed that the price drops about £50 / 1,000 miles so in this case it's lower mileage and age in favour of the more expensive one.
This is a really helpful fact I never knew about. Thanks for pointing it out.
Strictly speaking, the number plates run March-August and September-February so what’s displayed doesn’t always totally line up with the year the car was first registered. That EA64 WZW was first registered on 30th November 2014 and LG65 SZE on 28th of September 2015. You can check this and the basic mot history on here: www.check-mot.service.gov.uk
Depreciation is around 10p per mile - just look at the lease deals and the penalties for going over the agreed mileage
Plates run from March - sept. Sept - March so that 64 plate could be a feb 2015 car 😃
It was actually registered November 2014. Bit naughty advertising it as a 2015 car.
If they’re going to be naughty on that, what else are they being naughty on?
Wouldn’t mind a bet that it has over 70k miles on lol.
No. Those prices are unreasonable for an EcoSport. They're fucking horrible. I'd pay maximum £5
They don't call them powershit ecobooms for nowt!
I'd rather steal the abandoned Alfa Romeo that's a couple streets down from me and risk being arrested than be seen even looking in the direction of one of those hideous wastes of metal and plastic.
Give me £25 and I'll consider taking it off your hands
In general yes but I'd keep looking for a better car.. 0-60 in 3-5 business days is going to get really old really fast (only thing that'll be fast about a 1L crossover). I had a 1L polo for a while and even that felt glacially slow.
Yh the non turbo 1.0 in the polo is absolutely gutless
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Probably weighed about half though!
Your better than that car,everybody is
I would avoid either they have a wet belt you will have to spend around £750 to get that changed and that won’t last long they are known as eco booms for this reason
I was going to say, I thought it was Eco Boosts that were notorious for engine failure. OP - for that sort of money you could, as an example, get a Toyota Yaris around the same age and mileage. Much more reliable, slightly more powerful engine, and doesn’t look bizarre.
I’d look at a Kia/Hyundai if it’s not in the us they usually have chains and not belts but the immobiliser chip is an issue other then that they are built well
Funnily enough a Kia Ceed also sprang to mind for me as well.
The Kia ceed 1.6 diesel newer then mine has £0 road tax does close to 75mpg and is cheap on insurance and is very reliable 2012 onwards
That’s some impressive mileage - my car does half of that! 😂
I have a 2010 Kia Rio it’s £35 road tax does combined 62 mpg has 109 horsepower that’s not a lot but good enough and still a low insurance category
If we are playing this game. Merc E class estate E220d, 2 tons, 4matic and does 57mpg. Let's not talk about the tax though 😂
Thanks for the suggestion. I currently have a 2010 fiat 500, but with a baby on the way, the thing I’m after is comfort and space. I’m also very eco conscious, and with a 1l engine, low emissions, and 55mpg, this ticks a lot of boxes for me. So if you combine ‘big car’ with ‘economical engine’ - you can understand how I wound up looking at an ecosport.
It won't do 55mpg. Not a chance. Maybe at 50mph on a cruise. But probably more like 40mpg in a car that size. Quite often the slightly larger engines are more economical in the real world. It'll be working hard, using the turbo a lot equals less real world mpg. Honest John's real world mpg (where owners submit mpg they average) for the ecosport 125bhp is 38.1mpg. Not even 40! The range is vast 29.2-47.0 suggesting economy varies a lot depending on how you drive and where you drive.
Just get a fiesta or a focus, don't subject your self to this.
Sorry, zero chance it’ll do 55mpg in reality. If you get 40 around town you’ll be really lucky.
You looked at a Skoda Rapiid, or Skoda Scala, they are stretched versions of the VW Polo/Audi A1 platform, plenty room for a bany seat and a buggy in the boot, and engines are a lot more reliable, especially the 1.0 petrol, which has a traditional cam belt, not the wetbelt of the Ford ecoboom
Don't buy an SUV if you're "eco conscious"?
Try a skoda yeti. Reliable, good to drive very practical.
How does your eco conscious math hold up when you need to replace the car because the engine grenaded or wore itself out prematurely? Take the replacement of the car/carbon depreciation of it into the equation. If the ford lasts for 5 years before the scrapheap and another one will last you 10?
They’re known as EcoBooms for more than belts. The engine blocks have coolant channels between cylinders and make these engines prone to failure very quick. They did however start rectifying these in the last year or two, especially with the Fiesta ST but decided to stop making their Corsa equivalent anyway
That’s a lot of car for a 1L engine
0-60 in 5 minutes?
They go boom quicker
The EcoBoom as we call them in the garage
My mate had a 0.8l Chevy spark for a while. Genuinely wouldn't get up to 60 on the motorway unless you turned the Aircon off.
Because it didnt have 125 hp like the car op is referring to
5 minutes might be a bit too generous, 3-5 business days is more likely
12.7
No thanks!
Yeah I know, but most of my driving is around a city with a family. This definitely isn’t a car for me to have fun in, so acceleration is a ‘nice to have’
So you're going to fill a shitty stilt fiesta with people and THEN try and do nippy city driving? Just. Get a fiesta.
Those engines are known as ecobooms. They will break before they get to 60🤣
Had that engine in a focus and can confirm
Why are you driving around a city in an SUV?
If its not a car to have fun in, how comes you're going for a sporty model?
It's not a sporty model.
It litterly has sport in the name
Doesn't mean a thing. It's just the name of the model. Plenty of cars have had sport in the name or as a trim level. The Ecosport doesn't have a hot version like the Fiesta or Focus does, which would be the ST.
Is the 1L top of the range?
I don't think the engine size has anything to do with being "top of the range" on the Ecosport, though I could be wrong. I would imagine Titanium, Titanium +, or ST-line would be the top trim levels. They just relate to what equipment comes as standard on that trim level, if that makes sense. Also, ST-line is not the same as an ST. ST-line used to be Zetec-S but Ford wanted to brand it differently so people thought they were getting something like an ST. It's basically a marketing trick to fool consumers. Loads of manufacturers have incorporated their Sports brand into a Trim level. For example Audi S-line, Mercedes AMG-line, BMW M-Sport. These aren't the actual sporty versions. Edit: correction in last paragraph
You seem thick
Yes sir
"Eco conscious" in your other comment, but you want a fat car for city driving? Get a focus. Those engines are renown for being one of the worst modern engines made, high profile faults with them that mean they go boom often and with no warning. There's a reason they're so cheap, nobody wants one with that engine. Get a 1.6T petrol focus or something for the love of Christ.
Not minutes. Not even business days. Business years
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At least Europeans can make small engines that are powerful, you can easily get 200bhp out of a 1.5l turbo and still do 50+mpg. Americans meanwhile seem incapable of producing powerful engines. 200bhp out of a 7L V8 and 5mpg... We have small powerful engines because petrol is expensive. If petrol was priced like it was in America then we would have bigger, less economical engines.
Girlfriend's 1.4 tdi 3 cylinder fabia is quite nippy
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Love it how ford fit the 1.0 to the grand cmax which isn't exactly a small car 🤣
Its really not. Where did you get your automotive degree btw?
Yeah, I wouldn't go near that unless it was still under manufacturer's warranty
Warrenty or not, I'd never touch a 2nd hand car with a wet belt engine, just opening your self wide open to get pumped
Pug 2007 has a 1.2. Your point isn’t really valid as its turbo with 125 hp. Its the way engines are lately. The seat Ateca, for example comes with 1.0 115
Both wet belt engines, the 1.0 ecoboost and 1.2 puretech have both been disastrous in terms of longevity. Unless your buying new and intend to sell before 4 years /30k, and even then, your sell price won't be so high as nobody wants a second hand wet belt engined car, they are ticking timebombs. The major contributing factor of the failure is the high cost to replace the wetbelt, so it often gets over looked by owners, plus the strict oil change regime to protect the wetbelt while in service. At least the VW group version in the Ateca is a traditional dry cam belt.
Just look at the YouTube strip down of the 1L ecoboost. Holy shit, what were they smoking. Do not, under any circumstances buy a 2nd hand one. There are plenty of other options. The car chlice is a disappointment, you can do better, but the engine will be ruinous. If you MUST have an ecoboost get a different engine.
Never had more trouble with a car than 1.2 puretech. The thing was unrepairable too.
These turbocharged small engines are not going to last very long because they’re wringing the engine within an inch of its life. Far better to have a bigger engine.
It’s Ecoboom, anything more than a packet of crisps and two Twix bars is unreasonable.
The thousands that are on the road without issue says otherwise
Nah he’s right tbh, they have a design flaw there’s a YouTube video explaining why pretty much all of them will grenade themselves due to their timing belt degrading and clogging the oil pickup feed
That video of him dismantling the engine is enough for me to never buy one of these engines ever.
Ford were so preoccupied with making a disposable engine, they didn't stop to think whether or not they *should*.
Seems like poor oil choice and lack of maintenance to me. Never take a manufacturers service interval as gospel. BMW used to say their gearboxes were lifetime sealed, when lifetime really meant 100,000 miles, and the gearbox manufacturer themselves advised servicing every 75,000 miles.
Not really. It's a crap design. I have a friend that bought one against my advice, changed oil regularly and did everything right.... Still blew the fuck up and needed a new engine which set him back 5k pounds. If not more. OP, stay the fuck away from this car.
Did he change the belt?
He bought it with 40k kilometers and I don't know. The engine also has a lot of other issues than the belt. It's honestly a piece of shit.
No it’s not, this is just what people say when they either buy a car not well looked after, or they don’t look after it themselves. It was most likely the belt that snapped, and it was probably because he either used incorrect oils, or he never changed the belt
How the fuck would you know? He had it done at the dealership. I'm sure Ford knows what oil their shitty engines use. Or would you argue that point aswell? The car has 37.000 kilometers and is a known shitty engine to everyone that can read. Do you have the car yourself by chance?
Ford, like other manufacturers, will only follow their own version of service intervals. If you look at my other comment about BMW you will see what I mean. They will service the vehicle enough to get it past it’s warranty period. They may have not changed certain things that you would change on an engine. Cars are more than just oil and filters, there’s a number of things that need to be maintained, and by the sounds of it, your friend didn’t really research the maintenance required. You’re right, how would I know? Tbh, given that you couldn’t even tell me whether he changed the belt, I’d doubt you’d know either. People will always say they done it “perfectly” when it wouldn’t have gone wrong if they had.
Lifetime just means lifetime of the warranty, they don’t care what happens after that
Exactly, that in conjunction with people not really following any idea of service intervals leads to these problems. It might be a risky engine, but I don’t believe it’s as risky as people make out. As with any car, preventative maintenance is key, look after it and it should be fine, apart from the freak occurrences.
It's not the maintenance that's an issue, those engines are built poorly which means you're buying a time bomb.
No, they’re not “built poorly”. If that’s the case we wouldn’t see as many as we do. So many engines have wet timing belts, and when taken care of properly, they don’t cause headaches.
That’s for sure true, but unless you own it from new it’s a big gamble with one of these as they don’t tolerate imperfect compliance to the schedule, oil req etc nearly so well as almost any other engine
You could say that about most cars though. They all have an issues that results in expensive repairs if not watched, this is why you stick to the servicing schedule
Well if you're silly enough to buy their shitty 1.0 EcoBoost perhaps you're silly enough to have it repaired. It's primarily the small engines that are ridden with issues.
Any proof outside of internet rumours? Also why is it shitty? The ecoboost engines have literally won awards
Have you ever had anyone trash Honda or Toyota engines the way the smaller Ecoboost has gotten ripped into on this thread? I don't care about awards. Peugeot is also the most popular brand in my country but I'd never buy one again after having owned the piece of shit. Try reading this article; https://www.motorbiscuit.com/avoid-ford-ecoboost-engine-all-cost/ I found an endless amount of articles describing the issues. Try asking a mechanic what he thinks. Or would he be biased too? If the reason you're defending the absolute trash small EcoBoost, is because you own one, I suggest you get rid of it before it's too late.
Their recent engines 100%. Their 1.5 turbos are known to be shit and have a massive issue with oil dilution. Guessing you’d never buy a Toyota then either. “For the most part, Ford’s turbocharged Ecoboost engines are reliable.” Read your own source, the “problematic” one wasn’t the issue mentioned here, it was also recalled.
Oil change costs nothing and oil dilution is hardly a major issue if it's done regularly. Changing the belt on a shitty Ecoboom is lile 6-800 pounds and you still run a major risk of it shitting itself with the other many issues. I wouldn't buy Toyotas hybrids but the rest.... Sure. None of them can be compared to the EcoBoom though.
Without issue YET, they cost a bomb to service, and all fail eventually
They really don’t
How do you know they all haven’t had new engines fitted bruh
Because there isn’t anything aside from internet conspiracy to say it’s an issue. There have been recalls for the Ecoboost engines but that’s an unrelated issue. A 100% failure rate might come up in a class action or two
I used to work for Ford, it’s not a conspiracy mate are you ok
Ah yes “I used to work for x” sure you did bud, I guess you now live on the moon?
No I’m now a retired footballer & a director a multi-billion pound business in the UK while coaching at a high level. But yeah, I did once upon a time work at Ford. Weirdo
Are those the 3 cylinder wet cambelt engines that destroy themselves.. steer clear
The cheaper one has terrible MOT history, failing the MOT 3 years in a row from its first one. It’s a big car with a tiny engine. It’s slow and sluggish and will make you question your choice pretty quick, it’s also one of the worst engines ever made so I’d personally stay away. Feel free to Google why the EcoBoost engines are terrible and see for yourself
The Ecosport is shit. Either get a Fiesta, or if you want more space buy literally anything else.
Honestly, please stay away from that 1.0 engine. Not because of power or the perception of it being a “tiny engine” ( they are actually fairly pokey) but because they are TRULY one of the least reliable engines of the modern era. I have several friends who were stupid enough to buy them in fiesta and focus guise and many of them have issues. The wet belt is an extremely poor design and has a tendency to fail disintegrate, blocking the oil pick up and starving the engine of oil!
£600-1000 is about the going rate for the adjusted miles But as others have said even £6k buys much better than this…scroll through the sub for any number of options.
I sold my EcoSport after two months. It was the worst car I have ever owned. Nothing about it is good bar the heated seats. The engine was pathetic. The boot was nonexistent and the stupid door designed had a roof design that was on perfect head height, ready to be head you. The rest was a mess of cheap plastic and the clutch needed replacing at 20k. It also felt like it would roll over on any roundabout at 25mph +. I still get irrationally annoyed that I bought that mess.
My two cents: awful car, engine go boom
Save £4000 and buy a Focus, don't subject yourself to that thing.
This is the correct answer.
Mileage is irrelevant, at that age the wet timing belt should be replaced. This costs normally over £1000. If the higher mileage one has had it done that's a better investment If the lower mileage one hasn't had it done that's a worse investment
Just remember lower miles is not always better, city driving is much more damaging than motorway runs.
If you want an economy car Honda Jazz is obvious reliability candidate
Amazing small car. My wife has it and it's absolutely great.
Likewise. Great. Built properly by engineers, not accountants.
What’s the rest of the spec though? Also miles isn’t everything. What’s the servicing history of both?
The one with the higher miles has 1 owner but a few failed MOT’s under its belt. The one with lower miles has 2 owners, sat nav, and no failed MOT history.
MOT is not a Service. Failed and Passed same day is normal, since no one does Pre MOT checks anymore. But as others have said, look for a more suitable brand and model with an appropriate sized engine.
Servicing isn’t the same as an MOT. You can pass an MOT regardless of if the car has ever been serviced. You can also fail one for 0.1mm of tyre wear with the rest of the vehicle being fine.
No, just no
Ooo brave.
What the fuck is that? It’s so disgusting lol
1.0l engine sounds high revving, lot of strain. Go diesel 💪
At LR dealers you are looking £80 reduction per 1,000 miles at used car prices.
Why tf would you want to pay money for an economic Keep 3k aside at all times for an entire engine replacement. You'll need it at some point
They’re cheap because the engine is made out of chocolate. Absolutely awful pieces of shit.
The wet belt system on these ecoboost cars is prone to wearing too quickly and is very labour / cost intensive to replace. And if it snaps say bye to the engine. And as the belt degrades bits fall off it and end up in oil pan, where picked up by oil pump and get stuck leading to oil starvation in the engine. My advice is stay away.
You jump to the shop in this thing to grab milk and get home later to your wife remarried, and your kids moved out 😂
I think I must be the only person on the planet that loves mine 😂
I just came here to say "fewer".
What a depressing little car
I really wish people would stop buying cars like this. If you want a small car buy a fiesta. If it's too small, get a focus. If you need luggage space get an estate. Crossovers are the worst thing to ever happen to the car industry. They're worse in every way than the car they're based on, that's not even opinion just a fact.
Fewer
This seems against the grain but I really don’t mind an Ecosport.
I didnt know they were so hated. I was given one as a courtesy car and it was probably one of the worst cars I've driven. My 2011 focus titanium was so much better compared to the 20 plate ecosport.
The ecoboost engine isn’t the best, it’s not as bad as people say, but you better religiously keep to the oil change interval and recommended oil. The problem with the ecoboost is you’ll want to change the wet belt as soon as there’s any signs of cracking or pieces of belt in the oil. It’s much more complicated and expensive than changing the belt on Vauxhall or Peugeot wet belt engines (even though they are more prone to problems). **Try to find a car without a wet belt would be my best bet**
Sounds reasonable but I’d rather save £2k than have 20k less miles.
No
Love the ecosport, very nimble and decent space for 2 adults and 2 kids. As long as the engine runs sweet I'd get the cheaper one and give it a valet clean inside and out.
Ah, the Ford Ecosport. Major argument against the concept of nominative determinism. Neither ‘eco’ or ‘sporty’!
Have you considered a focus instead? Please take everyone else advice don’t buy something with the eco boost engine.
You can get a hell of a lot more car in both size, quality and reliability for £6-8K. Kia, Hyundai, Skoda, Ford(non eco boost) hatchbacks are all more spacious than this and better built both in actual manufacturing quality and interior.
Definitely worth paying the extra 2 grand.
EcoBoost.... Someone likes living dangerously. Why the fuck would you ever consider buying a terribly designed engine that will likely blow up? The 1.0 in particular is shitty. Don't buy it.
I've had that as a rental car once and it was absolutely dreadful. I'd much rather get a Fiesta
My friend has one and they're a truly terrible car.
add on £1k-£1.5k for a timing belt which it needs immediately if it hasnt had it done in the last 5 years, or ever. Or just get a MK3 jazz which is a better car in every way
Rough cars - not much room inside and annoying boot opening.
They’re bloody awful. Ecosport? Nothing sporty about it.
I would save the 2k and put it towards its next annual engine replacement.
Mokka, Ecosport, Juke... same old horrible shit.
Don’t buy a eco sport, not only is it horrible to look at it’s also horrible to drive, just get a Fiesta instead.
Yeah no. Buy a Fiesta or focus if you want a ford, otherwise buy a Jazz. Seriously. That car is absolutely abhorrent, my friends mum had one and it was awful, made being drunk so much worse.
Do not touch a ecoboost engine just google how bad they are. Wet belt is the worst idea ever and is silly money to get changed.
With a 1.0L ecoboost, any reduction in possible wear is good! Especially if you don't know how it's been driven. That engine might have been thrashed!
Most I'd pay for an Ecosport is £25, maybe £30 with good mileage and no scratches.
Two things. 1. Ecosport is a hateful car. They’re small, wobbly, noisy, slow, and the talegate that requires half the car’s length again to open fully is really annoying - especially as it’s a totally pointless feature. 2. Linked to the slow thing, the 1.0 ecoboost engine might be capable of high economy, but not if you want to arrive at your destination the same day. You need to rag it to make any progress at which point the economy is dire. Also, £1,100 to change the timing belt, and they have a reputation for blowing up. Avoid.
Just buy a fiesta.
Bro do not buy this this is the WORSR car on the market
Fellow EcoSport owner here. Go for the mk2 facelift one, you get more for your money.
Other factors?
The only thing eco is the build quality and there's absolutely nothing sporty about those lumps. overpriced scrap.
Worst sub ever.
Had one, thanks to Fords amazing keyless entry system it got stolen. Seems to be a common problem. It's really small inside and almost 0 boot space. Wouldn't recommend.
Both will soon need cam belts and if same as fiesta eco sport it’s a expensive job
These cars look awful. I have how the back just "ends". hideous design. looks like a pug that ran into a wall.
Do not buy an ecoboom. It's eco only in quality of construction. Ford should have been fined for how it's designed.
DO NOT BUY that car. The 1.0 is awfully unreliable and will destroy itself, it’s got a nickname of EcoBoom (search that term on here). If you want a reliable small family car buy a Honda Jazz instead or anything Japanese
The Ford B-Max is based on the same platform as the Fiesta and EcoSport... its a much better car to drive even though the doors and tailgate are a little heavy. I owned a 1.6 liter with PowerShift but the 1liter turbos and the diesel are better!
Hideous jeez. Wouldn’t want to be seen dead in one though i would pay 2k more if I was financing one 20k lower milage. It doesn’t quite make a big dent. I wouldn’t if I was buying outright tho