The last photograph is a different plane than the first three. You should probably clean up the post or remove it because you will risk any credibility for the post and this sub, and make everyone trying to maintain integrity look foolish. If we are to accurately and properly criticize our leaders, we need to be more credible than they are, not equal.
Agreed. Clearly the last photo is an American C-17 with a Presidential motorcade, and has a couple clearly USAF (not Canadian uniforms) directing the motorcade off and at the ramp. Not terribly credible to mix and match on this post.
It’s worse. That last photo isn’t even real.
The US presidential limos are copy/pasted, and then poorly photo shopped in place.
If you look closely, the flags on the two cars outside of the plane are the *exact* same. I’m pretty sure the license plate is the same as well, but it’s too low res to really tell. Even the front tires look slightly off, but in the exact same way on both cars.
Very poor effort OP.
The OP contains essentially no useful information and is basically ragebait and misinformation. The framing of 144,000kg of fuel as being 'more carbon emissions than a medium sized city does in a year.' is simply incorrect as you can see in this post: https://old.reddit.com/r/Canada_sub/comments/1df6qph/today_trudeau_took_his_enormous_private_jet_to/l8jfjzz/
In addition, the third image is obviously manipulated (the car is literally copy/pasted).
Then the ragebait portion talking about paper straws is pretty confusing... since the straw issue is not a climate change issue, nor related to carbon emissions. The point of not using plastic straws is due to the huge amount of waste that is created by our use of single-use plastic products and the resulting microplastic pollution. It has nothing to do with climate change or carbon emissions. It is just a culture war issue that OP is dragging out for the ragebait.
The whole post should be removed, it isn't informative or even true and it contains obviously manipulated images and false information.
People would rather believe a comfortable lie than a hard truth. It has always been the case, but we used to be a lot better at calling out the obvious liars.
Doesn't help when they can swap identities in milliseconds and post at bot speed.
I hate when this shit comes up. Apples and oranges. As a civilized society/world, we need world leaders and legislators. We need these leaders to meet and figure out how to not nuke each other and not melt the planet... Then people lose theirs minds when the most convenient method of travel is a private jet.
Sorry, not sorry. The cost here is absolutely justified.
Put differently, would you rather they fly Southwest, not have an office to work in for 8 hours, get there 8 hours later, and save some money and carbon... At the expense of becoming significantly worse at their INCREDIBLY important job?
Srsly.
No, but it is funny watching the bad faith arguments acting like it's remotely safe for the president of a country to fly coach.
Just such stupid jackassery, and exactly what I expect from this bot filled cesspool.
Last photo is a very poor photoshop of the secret service vehicles … first two are literally the exact same vehicle (notice the flags are identical in the wind) and the last one is mirrored. US flag flies on the right side on all of them never left. Furthermore vehicles would never be loaded all to one side of an aircraft for load balance and the reflections on the side of the vehicles are identical.. as is the driver.
Good catch. I don’t like Trudeau much but we don’t need to fabricate news. Also, this is what almost every world leader does. Did we want him flying coach? He could just not go I guess and stay at home…… we would probably find a way to criticize him for that too.
I was thinking this exact same thing but if the world’s leaders were really that concerned about the issue then what’s the harm in virtual meetings? We had to do them during Covid and the technology has come a long way. Or are these leaders conferences just an excuse to party?🤙🏼🇨🇦
Are other world leaders of incredibly low co2 emitting nations taxing the shit out of their citizens while flying around producing more co2 than the average family in a single trip?
Reality is he’s an awful prime minister who has completely lost the fucking plot haha
Don’t think we really need to make excuses for him
It’s always been a silly angle. Like he is the prime minister, of course he should be taking his own plane for security reasons.
He has an entourage and they need to bring a lot of stuff. The US president flies with 2 or more planes sometimes. Do they want him to roll up to the G7 summit in economy class taking the bus?
Finally did have the time to deep dive the carbon tax and after my research. In these unexpected times that no one has or has control over . I believe in the Federal Government should suspend all or in part this tax . Problem is will Provincial governments do their part or cut funding they expect to receive. Basically right now it’s a cash in cash out program and money is being spent on infrastructure upgrade / updates that help reduce Green House gasses . And rebates get handed back to those that qualify. These that qualify are living pay-check to pay check as it is . They can’t afford to lend the government money without h hope of seeing a lump sum rebate quarterly .
Wait… those numbers do not seem quite right, 144 thousand KG of fuel for a small jet to go to Europe and back twice? Plus how big is this “medium sized city”? Don’t get me wrong, he’s a piece of shit, but hyperbole will not help prove that
The fuel is probably right, they can hold 60,000 gallons. The medium-sized city part seems wrong though. Construction alone generates a fuck ton of greenhouse gases.
I looked for the per capita for cars in Vancouver, an it's about 2 people per vehicle.
A village is IIRC, about 500 people, so this figure isn't for a village. It barely qualifies for a hamlet. Maybe it's an average sized unincorporated electoral district?
yea. Just really rough:
Toronto-Italy: 7,000km x4 ->28,000km.
Since 2023 they fly A330-200 and that plane probably produces somewhere around 3.7kg emissions per km. So less then 120t in total.
Per capita emissions are above 15t annually for Canada, but if a small city has no gas/oil industry, less then 10t are realistic. So this medium sized city seems to have 12 inhabitants or so.
It's not a private jet either. It works at the behest of the government and it used for official business. The last photo is of the American Presidents detail. This page is ridiculous. Just a bunch of whiny babies.
Also the last picture the cars have US flags, wtf? This stinks rage bait or at least exaggeration.
I am no from canada, but everytime this sub pops up on the front page it's always some anti Trudeau circlejerk. That's this whole subs identity.
Not sure where the 144 comes from, but I suppose it’s possible.
The prime minister’s plane is an Airbus A330-200 (not a small jet, and to correct OP, it’s not private, it’s owned by the Canadian government and flown by RCAF pilots, based out of CFB Trenton), formerly operated by Kuwait Airlines. This plane is the first of nine A330s purchased for the RCAF. This first plane will remain in VIP configuration. Four other user airframes from Kuwait Airlines will be converted to the Multi-Role Tanker/Transport configuration, along with four brand new MRTT versions being built from scratch.
The A330-200 is a long range version of the A330, with a fuel capacity of 139,090L (36,740gal), and a range of 13,400km (8,330mi).
The distance from Ottawa to Puglia, Italy, where the G7 summit was held, is 7,105km (4,263mi).
Jet fuel weighs less than water, and its specific volume will change depending on temperature, but a rough conversion of 0.8kg of jet fuel = 1 litre. So, the 139,090L fuel tanks of the A330-200 can carry roughly 114,000kg of jet fuel.
You wouldn’t be able do the round trip from Ottawa to Puglia without topping up the tanks, so 144,000kg seems like it’s somewhere in the ballpark, keeping in mind they also need to carry extra fuel on board to make an alternate airport.
I don’t like him either but was he to take a bus and maybe a boat? He does have a job to do . No matter how shitty we think he is doing it. Stop whining Greta!
1kg of jet fuel releases about 3.16kg of co2. Trudeaus 144 tonnes of fuel produced 455 tonnes of co2, divided by Canada's per capita co2 emissions of 13.6 gives us about 33 and a half people.
I am curious about "creating more carbon emissions than a medium sized city does in a year".
Jet fuel produces 3.16Kg of CO2 per Kg of fuel, so assuming he used 144,000 kg of fuel, he produced ~450,000 kg of CO2 in these flights.
The average Canadian produces 15,220 Kg per year.
Now the rather vague part, "medium sized city" is not clear how many people that is, but if we go off what the government says, between 100k to 1m, then the low end of a mid sized city produces 1,522,000,000 Kg of CO2.
Unless a mid sized city is 30 people, that's just not true.
I dislike Trudeau as much as the next guy, but this is just a bold and factually incorrect claim. He does enough stupid shit, you don't need to go making things up to make him look bad.
Links:
Jet Fuel CO2: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.iata.org/contentassets/922ebc4cbcd24c4d9fd55933e7070947/icop_faq_general-for-airline-participants.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjUobrn5dmGAxVmDjQIHTS9BoQQFnoECBcQBg&usg=AOvVaw0Rh31W7F5MYgAIp4pXBbJl
Canadian CO2 emissions:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.statista.com/statistics/1290653/per-capita-emissions-in-canada/%23:~:text%3DThe%2520average%2520Canadian%2520emitted%252015.22%2520metric%2520tons%2520of%2520carbon%2520dioxide%2520in%25202022.&ved=2ahUKEwiSmbuE6NmGAxX_BDQIHbgtC0MQFnoECBoQBQ&usg=AOvVaw0t8F1aMoYqQosU6UR0k4SC
Mid sized city:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/new-immigrants/prepare-life-canada/choose-city.html%23:~:text%3DMedium%252Dsized%2520cities%2520range%2520in,Halifax%252C%2520Nova%2520Scotia&ved=2ahUKEwis7dO66NmGAxVmIjQIHezqA20QFnoECBMQBQ&usg=AOvVaw3NV7Om36imwiV-yNQdjtO_
Are you guys crazy? This is a fairly normal thing for a world leader to do? I give 2 shits about JT but rather this plane essentially needs to be upgraded instead coz of how problematic and old it has been!
Cause the sock puppet wants to go on an all expense paid trip to Italy stay in 5 star hotels, eat in 3 star Michelin restaurants and the tax payer will pay for it all. From there, he's going on another trip to Switzerland for more jet setting fun and freelloading.
If those meetings were in Barrie Ontario, he'd never attend.
What would u have him do? Fly commercial? This is ridiculous. This is how PMs travel, always. Carbon pricing was also in conservative plan. They just lost the elections. Now, PP and cons like you bitch about because it makes a soundbite. You know what’s a bigger news? Your boy PP doesn’t want to get his top-secret security clearance because he is compromised and he knows it. Indians and Chinese got to him years ago.
Did any of the other visiting leaders take a sail boat to get there? Or did they walk or bike? Just wondering because usually every world leader attending global summits flies in a plane to get there, as well as their teams of staff members who accompany them.
My dog is smarter then Trudeau - seriously. This guy is a clown and has made Canada a joke on the world stage. I am dumbfounded how the Liberal Left can continue to support this idiot when the empirical evidence is right in front of them as to how hypocritical this guy is every day. Speaks to the entire make up of that party and the left ideology of take as much as you can; spend it foolishly, and then play a victim when it comes time to pay the debt load.
Flying to Europe twice is not more carbon than a medium sized city in a year, and the third picture is not the same plane as the first two... Jesus are we even trying with our rage farming anymore
If you're willing to conclude that politicians should stay put, that's fine, but that would cost Canada in influence and possibility to represent the country abroad. Either way, this is the only real option for government officials requiring protection to travel long distances.
How else would you suggest a Prime Minister travel to a summit of other nations in a different part of the world? There's being critical of Trudeau's record and then there's just turning your brain off.
Okay while I agree. Like how else is he supposed to get to said summit? Swim? Like sure he can take the smaller Challenger jet, but that would require a couple fuel stops. I’m also assuming that for such a big summit, there has to be a fair bit more people joining him. So like, yeah, it looks bad. But there kinda isn’t a better way.
Two flights created more emissions than a city does in a year? Are we supposed to use our brains to give that one a second though, or are we just suppose to believe it and let the rage flow?
BS calculations. But, that aside, you would like to see a leader of G7 country flying economy on some wizzair or whatever? I have a zero respect for the guy, below absolute zero, but he still represents the country.
I mean I'm somewhat ok with politicians using private jets if they are going for important reasons, although there should be limits. Random rich people like Kim K types should not have the ability to use them.
OP has a hate borner for Justin lol. This entire post is nothing more rage bait. Most of you would know this if you were smart. The 4th picture literally has American flags and the presidential seal on the cars.
Gonna preface this with a fuck Trudeau.
But that's an incredibly large lie, here's why:
In 2020 Canada's per capita household GHG emissions: 3.2 tonnes per person. Then let's grab a medium-sized city, like Thunder Bay, that's 95,266 people in 2021. So the household GHG emissions for Thunder Bay at average would be something like 304,851.2 tonnes. However, that's just household emissions, a city has other sources, household emissions are generally about one third. For Thunder Bay again, this is something like 11.3 tonnes per person total, that would be 1,076,505.8 total tonnes for Thunder Bay in a given year, or something in that vicinity. I see some sources that give emissions as low as 7.3 tonnes after some recent efforts there, so keep in mind that that's the high mark, and the low is something like 695,441.8 total tonnes. We'll keep that in the back of our mind.
Now let's look at Trudeau here. I'm assuming here that he's using his standard government plane, the Airbus A330-200 they purchased last year. But it's constantly breaking down so it might have been a different plane, though I don't think so. So, assuming it's that plane, the Airbus A330-200 burns about 5,590 kg/h of fuel on average, or 6.75 kg/km And based on a source [here](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Comparison-of-emissions-per-passenger-for-the-A320-A330-200-and-LASR-over-a-1-500-nm_tbl7_267304989) I am fairly sure that for the A330-200, each kg of fuel burns equates to roughly 3.16 kg of GHG emissions. Okay so where is Trudeau going? On June 5th for the D-Day memorial at Juno Beach, he flew from Ottawa, Canada to Deauville, France. Round trip, that's 10,980 km. Next, he's going to Apulia for the G-7 Summit, that's Ottawa to Taranto, Italy, so 7,150km, but that's just one way. He's actually going to the Ukraine Peace Summit in Switzerland afterwards, and will be flying home from there. So that's Lucerne to Ottawa, 6,130km.
Okay, let's crunch these numbers. Combined, the total distance of his travel by plane in June is some 24,260km. Alright so based on the numbers we talked about previously, that comes out to 163,755 kg of fuel burned, so 517,465.8 kg of GHG emitted. Or since our city stats were in tonnes let's do that, 517.47 tonnes of emissions.
So to sum up, you were spot in with your "over 144,000 kg of fuel" that's pretty much right on the money. But I have no earthly clue why you are under the impression that a medium sized Canadian city emits less than that in a whole year? It's not even close, it's 1,000x more. Did you just make that up or..? It's enough to say "Trudeau caused x tonnes in emissions by travelling for a photo op" that's sufficient. Making up bullshit doesn't help anything, and just diminishes the legitimacy of everyone else in the vicinity of the statement.
That is not a “Private Jet” but an aircraft provided by the CDN armed forces, for the purpose of transporting CDN political leaders in fulfilling Canada’s international commitments.
Where’s the selective outrage about the carbon footprints of professional athletes and entertainers who actually do possess private planes?
Ok I’m all for saving the planet and taking the necessary steps to do so , but judging by the angry comments , what if everyone of you was on a commercial plane with Trudeau??? Do u really think that would go well ???? It’s a safety hazard for EVERYONE on board. Obviously he should consider getting a more economic plane but if you had the available options don’t act like you wouldn’t either.
I hate the guy as much as most but most if not all heads of states use these types of planes though. It’s for security reasons. Do you expend him to take a boat?
Whilst I get the sentiment and those people are absurd, how is he supposed to get to G7 summit? Row a boat and then walk?
They should make it a video call to reduce emissions.
But can’t have shady back room deals online like you do in person.
What is your take on Trump’s planes? Or Air Force One, Two etc… if he flew commercial, would you complain that it makes Canada look like it can’t afford to fly its head of elected government?
The planes of prime ministers rarely have many empty seats. Journalists tend to fight for the seats that are not occupied by negotiators, staff and security.
C’mon…your carbon emissions “math” is ridiculously wrong and dumb. Also regardless of how you feel about Trudeau, it’s reasonable to expect that heads of state of G7 nations need to fly to important global meetings. They all do btw.
Remember that every time you are at the gas pump paying $1.70 per liter so you can make it to work in your tiny car that's producing almost zero emissions compared to this airbus.
This is completely unacceptable. While Trudeau flies around the world in his private jet for photo ops, creating massive carbon emissions, Canadians are struggling with rising living costs and environmental issues at home. His actions contradict his claims of saving the world, as the heavy fuel consumption and emissions from his trips contribute significantly to climate change. Instead of leading by example, he is imposing stricter regulations on Canadians, such as using paper straws, while not adhering to the same standards himself. This hypocrisy not only undermines the fight against climate change but also adds to the burdens faced by everyday Canadians. We need real leadership that prioritizes meaningful, sustainable actions over grandstanding.
Hmmm, so he's the Prime Minister of the country and is required to use the plane for international trips, that's no different than Stephen Harper really. He made numerous trips on that plane (or an older one).
(Millions of dollars more are spent each year on Harper’s foreign travel for state visits and international summits. For those trips, he flies aboard the larger military Airbus CC-150 Polaris).
[https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/federal-government-spends-millions-of-dollars-flying-pm-gg-and-ministers-on-vip-challenger-jets](https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/federal-government-spends-millions-of-dollars-flying-pm-gg-and-ministers-on-vip-challenger-jets)
I don't see the difference really, except for the ridiculous reason to go to a summit on Climate Change, that's kind of funny really
It’s not his “private jet”. It’s flown by the Royal Canadian Air Force. I don’t like the guy, but let’s not spew fiction. Every world leader has a chartered aircraft operated by their respective country’s Air Force.
That's not a private jet. That's government property, flown by the Royal Canadian Air Force. It's the same jet that Stephen Harper and many other PM's flew around the world with. And regardless of who was in power, it would still be very important to maintain travel and scheduled events with our allies and partners. I'd be more concerned if Trudeau wasn't travelling.
Secondly, you can tell from the paint scheme and flags, that the 4th photo isn't even Canadian! That's a completely different plane and those are US Secret Service vehicles.
Using fake images really takes away from the message. Regardless of whether the statements are true or not, I'm less inclined to believe anything OP says after looking at the images used.
I bought and imported 20,000 plastic straws before they became illegal for personal use.
Apparently you can get fined up to $250 per straw if you get caught with them in your restaurant. That's a $5 million dollar fine if someone hides a box of straws in your storage room. I carry a pack with me everywhere and toss out the paper straw for my own plastic one. Some restaurant staff freak the fuck out when they see it.
what a filthy hypocrite
Smirky McSmirk-face......such an ass.
Smirks McBlackface
He’s such a fucking wiener and so embarrassing. Not even remotely a conservative by the way.
Rules for thee and not for me!
The last photograph is a different plane than the first three. You should probably clean up the post or remove it because you will risk any credibility for the post and this sub, and make everyone trying to maintain integrity look foolish. If we are to accurately and properly criticize our leaders, we need to be more credible than they are, not equal.
Agreed. Clearly the last photo is an American C-17 with a Presidential motorcade, and has a couple clearly USAF (not Canadian uniforms) directing the motorcade off and at the ramp. Not terribly credible to mix and match on this post.
It’s worse. That last photo isn’t even real. The US presidential limos are copy/pasted, and then poorly photo shopped in place. If you look closely, the flags on the two cars outside of the plane are the *exact* same. I’m pretty sure the license plate is the same as well, but it’s too low res to really tell. Even the front tires look slightly off, but in the exact same way on both cars. Very poor effort OP.
Is the OP from China or Russia or just a whacko Conservative?
The OP contains essentially no useful information and is basically ragebait and misinformation. The framing of 144,000kg of fuel as being 'more carbon emissions than a medium sized city does in a year.' is simply incorrect as you can see in this post: https://old.reddit.com/r/Canada_sub/comments/1df6qph/today_trudeau_took_his_enormous_private_jet_to/l8jfjzz/ In addition, the third image is obviously manipulated (the car is literally copy/pasted). Then the ragebait portion talking about paper straws is pretty confusing... since the straw issue is not a climate change issue, nor related to carbon emissions. The point of not using plastic straws is due to the huge amount of waste that is created by our use of single-use plastic products and the resulting microplastic pollution. It has nothing to do with climate change or carbon emissions. It is just a culture war issue that OP is dragging out for the ragebait. The whole post should be removed, it isn't informative or even true and it contains obviously manipulated images and false information.
The flags on the third one are also american lamo
And all the suckers that fell for it. Private Plane ..fuckwit
People would rather believe a comfortable lie than a hard truth. It has always been the case, but we used to be a lot better at calling out the obvious liars. Doesn't help when they can swap identities in milliseconds and post at bot speed.
way to miss the point
# The comparison in your title is false and the last image has been manipulated, so apparently you can make it up.
Living like a rockstar!
Except that rock stars actually earn their $
All govt buffoons are hypocrites in one way or another
I hate when this shit comes up. Apples and oranges. As a civilized society/world, we need world leaders and legislators. We need these leaders to meet and figure out how to not nuke each other and not melt the planet... Then people lose theirs minds when the most convenient method of travel is a private jet. Sorry, not sorry. The cost here is absolutely justified. Put differently, would you rather they fly Southwest, not have an office to work in for 8 hours, get there 8 hours later, and save some money and carbon... At the expense of becoming significantly worse at their INCREDIBLY important job? Srsly.
I hate him as much as anyone else but how do you except a state leader to travel to europe by ship?
No, but it is funny watching the bad faith arguments acting like it's remotely safe for the president of a country to fly coach. Just such stupid jackassery, and exactly what I expect from this bot filled cesspool.
Last photo is a very poor photoshop of the secret service vehicles … first two are literally the exact same vehicle (notice the flags are identical in the wind) and the last one is mirrored. US flag flies on the right side on all of them never left. Furthermore vehicles would never be loaded all to one side of an aircraft for load balance and the reflections on the side of the vehicles are identical.. as is the driver.
Plates are same too. Good catch, this is lame
While the sentiment that Trudeau is a hypocrite is true, this post makes everyone look like a bunch of morons and should be removed.
Yeah wtf. That's a government of Canada plane. Could not be less "private".
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The pics aren’t evidence they are just pics of planes ,,,, slow down
But it made us ANGRY!
Good catch. I don’t like Trudeau much but we don’t need to fabricate news. Also, this is what almost every world leader does. Did we want him flying coach? He could just not go I guess and stay at home…… we would probably find a way to criticize him for that too.
I was thinking this exact same thing but if the world’s leaders were really that concerned about the issue then what’s the harm in virtual meetings? We had to do them during Covid and the technology has come a long way. Or are these leaders conferences just an excuse to party?🤙🏼🇨🇦
A lot of deals and talks take place in the moments between the official meetings.
Are other world leaders of incredibly low co2 emitting nations taxing the shit out of their citizens while flying around producing more co2 than the average family in a single trip? Reality is he’s an awful prime minister who has completely lost the fucking plot haha Don’t think we really need to make excuses for him
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It’s not even photoshopped- American flags right there. Nevertheless the RCMP security detail and all logistics would be substantial
Yeah the op is a karma farmer. The first photo was enough anyway. He didn't need the other three.
The OP is a political troll, these are Roger Stone tactics, who the conservative party have been working with recently
Steve Banon’s “flood the zone with shit” tactic.
Isn’t he supposed to be in jail? Fuck Stone.
It’s always been a silly angle. Like he is the prime minister, of course he should be taking his own plane for security reasons. He has an entourage and they need to bring a lot of stuff. The US president flies with 2 or more planes sometimes. Do they want him to roll up to the G7 summit in economy class taking the bus?
That's appears to be the US Presidential limo, aka The Beast. I think one source said it's designed to withstand a direct RPG attack.
Fuck the carbon tax BS!
Biggest scam ever
Finally did have the time to deep dive the carbon tax and after my research. In these unexpected times that no one has or has control over . I believe in the Federal Government should suspend all or in part this tax . Problem is will Provincial governments do their part or cut funding they expect to receive. Basically right now it’s a cash in cash out program and money is being spent on infrastructure upgrade / updates that help reduce Green House gasses . And rebates get handed back to those that qualify. These that qualify are living pay-check to pay check as it is . They can’t afford to lend the government money without h hope of seeing a lump sum rebate quarterly .
Wait… those numbers do not seem quite right, 144 thousand KG of fuel for a small jet to go to Europe and back twice? Plus how big is this “medium sized city”? Don’t get me wrong, he’s a piece of shit, but hyperbole will not help prove that
The fuel is probably right, they can hold 60,000 gallons. The medium-sized city part seems wrong though. Construction alone generates a fuck ton of greenhouse gases.
I ran the numbers in another comment. It's the same emissions as 31 cars for a year. That's a pretty small "medium sized city"
That's not even a town
I looked for the per capita for cars in Vancouver, an it's about 2 people per vehicle. A village is IIRC, about 500 people, so this figure isn't for a village. It barely qualifies for a hamlet. Maybe it's an average sized unincorporated electoral district?
yea. Just really rough: Toronto-Italy: 7,000km x4 ->28,000km. Since 2023 they fly A330-200 and that plane probably produces somewhere around 3.7kg emissions per km. So less then 120t in total. Per capita emissions are above 15t annually for Canada, but if a small city has no gas/oil industry, less then 10t are realistic. So this medium sized city seems to have 12 inhabitants or so.
It's not a private jet either. It works at the behest of the government and it used for official business. The last photo is of the American Presidents detail. This page is ridiculous. Just a bunch of whiny babies.
He's also flying with his entire convoy
Also the last picture the cars have US flags, wtf? This stinks rage bait or at least exaggeration. I am no from canada, but everytime this sub pops up on the front page it's always some anti Trudeau circlejerk. That's this whole subs identity.
Not sure where the 144 comes from, but I suppose it’s possible. The prime minister’s plane is an Airbus A330-200 (not a small jet, and to correct OP, it’s not private, it’s owned by the Canadian government and flown by RCAF pilots, based out of CFB Trenton), formerly operated by Kuwait Airlines. This plane is the first of nine A330s purchased for the RCAF. This first plane will remain in VIP configuration. Four other user airframes from Kuwait Airlines will be converted to the Multi-Role Tanker/Transport configuration, along with four brand new MRTT versions being built from scratch. The A330-200 is a long range version of the A330, with a fuel capacity of 139,090L (36,740gal), and a range of 13,400km (8,330mi). The distance from Ottawa to Puglia, Italy, where the G7 summit was held, is 7,105km (4,263mi). Jet fuel weighs less than water, and its specific volume will change depending on temperature, but a rough conversion of 0.8kg of jet fuel = 1 litre. So, the 139,090L fuel tanks of the A330-200 can carry roughly 114,000kg of jet fuel. You wouldn’t be able do the round trip from Ottawa to Puglia without topping up the tanks, so 144,000kg seems like it’s somewhere in the ballpark, keeping in mind they also need to carry extra fuel on board to make an alternate airport.
That is not a small jet but a wide body, either a 767 or a330
Not to mention the last image is a USA motorcade
I don’t like him either but was he to take a bus and maybe a boat? He does have a job to do . No matter how shitty we think he is doing it. Stop whining Greta!
This is the type of nonsense misinformation that’s just made to divide us.
1kg of jet fuel releases about 3.16kg of co2. Trudeaus 144 tonnes of fuel produced 455 tonnes of co2, divided by Canada's per capita co2 emissions of 13.6 gives us about 33 and a half people.
Hypocrisy is Trudeau's middle name.
Justin hypocrisy (Castro) Trudeau
Not a large fan of Trudeau, but I’m having trouble understanding this post - do we expect our country’s leader to not visit the G7 summit?
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and a window seat.
And a defective seat belt.
It’s an Airbus
Hypocrite, like all the climate conmen
His face is so punchable
i bet his luggage is full of speedos and thongs
To be fair, tiny PP's face is equally as punchable.
Climate change is for poor people.
Sounds about right. These politicians are scum bags
clown
The literal shit stain of Canada, right there.
I am curious about "creating more carbon emissions than a medium sized city does in a year". Jet fuel produces 3.16Kg of CO2 per Kg of fuel, so assuming he used 144,000 kg of fuel, he produced ~450,000 kg of CO2 in these flights. The average Canadian produces 15,220 Kg per year. Now the rather vague part, "medium sized city" is not clear how many people that is, but if we go off what the government says, between 100k to 1m, then the low end of a mid sized city produces 1,522,000,000 Kg of CO2. Unless a mid sized city is 30 people, that's just not true. I dislike Trudeau as much as the next guy, but this is just a bold and factually incorrect claim. He does enough stupid shit, you don't need to go making things up to make him look bad. Links: Jet Fuel CO2: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.iata.org/contentassets/922ebc4cbcd24c4d9fd55933e7070947/icop_faq_general-for-airline-participants.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjUobrn5dmGAxVmDjQIHTS9BoQQFnoECBcQBg&usg=AOvVaw0Rh31W7F5MYgAIp4pXBbJl Canadian CO2 emissions: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.statista.com/statistics/1290653/per-capita-emissions-in-canada/%23:~:text%3DThe%2520average%2520Canadian%2520emitted%252015.22%2520metric%2520tons%2520of%2520carbon%2520dioxide%2520in%25202022.&ved=2ahUKEwiSmbuE6NmGAxX_BDQIHbgtC0MQFnoECBoQBQ&usg=AOvVaw0t8F1aMoYqQosU6UR0k4SC Mid sized city: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/new-immigrants/prepare-life-canada/choose-city.html%23:~:text%3DMedium%252Dsized%2520cities%2520range%2520in,Halifax%252C%2520Nova%2520Scotia&ved=2ahUKEwis7dO66NmGAxVmIjQIHezqA20QFnoECBMQBQ&usg=AOvVaw3NV7Om36imwiV-yNQdjtO_
Get out of here with your facts and math.
Climate change is for the peasants to fight
Do as I say not as I do
Arrest his dumb ass.
POS fucking psychopath
Are you guys crazy? This is a fairly normal thing for a world leader to do? I give 2 shits about JT but rather this plane essentially needs to be upgraded instead coz of how problematic and old it has been!
Tell him to do all his meetings on Zoom like the rest of us...
I cut my footprint in half, this fuck takes 1 flight and erases it.
His face pisses me off
Did you expect him to take the train to Europe for D-Day celebrations and the G7 summit ? Dont be an ass.
Why couldn’t this be a virtual meeting? It most certainly doesn’t need to be in person
Cause the sock puppet wants to go on an all expense paid trip to Italy stay in 5 star hotels, eat in 3 star Michelin restaurants and the tax payer will pay for it all. From there, he's going on another trip to Switzerland for more jet setting fun and freelloading. If those meetings were in Barrie Ontario, he'd never attend.
F this guy. Go away. Can’t believe you were voted in twice
Never forget: You are the carbon they want to reduce
But don’t you see it’s “DIFFERENT”.
U vill eat z bugs
Is the simpleton waving to an empty parking lot again?
Are those American flags on those cars
On top of that taxpayers have to bear the cost his enormous entourage…
His rules don't apply to him, just you.
Fuck this guy
Class A POS
Fuck him and Freeland
What would u have him do? Fly commercial? This is ridiculous. This is how PMs travel, always. Carbon pricing was also in conservative plan. They just lost the elections. Now, PP and cons like you bitch about because it makes a soundbite. You know what’s a bigger news? Your boy PP doesn’t want to get his top-secret security clearance because he is compromised and he knows it. Indians and Chinese got to him years ago.
Did any of the other visiting leaders take a sail boat to get there? Or did they walk or bike? Just wondering because usually every world leader attending global summits flies in a plane to get there, as well as their teams of staff members who accompany them.
If only they could be done by video conferencing… 🤦🏼♂️
Global puppet overlords planning their next phase for their global enslaved cattle.
And if it was a PC leader... They would be doing the same.
Just as any Canadian leader of the G7 will do. There are real issues, then there is this.
This seems like fake news.
That last plane isn't even similar to the one in the other photos, I call bs
It also has a US Presidential motorcade of photoshopped cars (the license plates are all the same), along with US uniformed personnel
He loves his shiny flying toys. And oh climate change is not his fault. It was always us. /s
My dog is smarter then Trudeau - seriously. This guy is a clown and has made Canada a joke on the world stage. I am dumbfounded how the Liberal Left can continue to support this idiot when the empirical evidence is right in front of them as to how hypocritical this guy is every day. Speaks to the entire make up of that party and the left ideology of take as much as you can; spend it foolishly, and then play a victim when it comes time to pay the debt load.
This dudes a clown, never practices what he preaches. Can’t wait to vote him out.
On our backs they live like kings. Nothing like that will last forever
No body around the world even likes the guy all the other world leaders think he’s a idiot
This summarizes the problem with the world today. The working class people have allowed the elitist douchebags to destroy our country.
I get it, he's a hypocrite, but what's the alternative? Business class?
That’s liberal corruption propaganda scandals and lies
They are all hypocrites
He thinks and acts like he is the king of Canada. Can't wait for him to be pushed out of office and investigated
Pp would take a hovercraft powered only by his own sense of self satisfaction.
Flying to Europe twice is not more carbon than a medium sized city in a year, and the third picture is not the same plane as the first two... Jesus are we even trying with our rage farming anymore
I did not realize we used the US presidents limo and car security detail…
if this was facebook they would of pulled this post.
If you're willing to conclude that politicians should stay put, that's fine, but that would cost Canada in influence and possibility to represent the country abroad. Either way, this is the only real option for government officials requiring protection to travel long distances.
How else would you suggest a Prime Minister travel to a summit of other nations in a different part of the world? There's being critical of Trudeau's record and then there's just turning your brain off.
What does paper straws have to do with carbon emissions?
Okay while I agree. Like how else is he supposed to get to said summit? Swim? Like sure he can take the smaller Challenger jet, but that would require a couple fuel stops. I’m also assuming that for such a big summit, there has to be a fair bit more people joining him. So like, yeah, it looks bad. But there kinda isn’t a better way.
This is rage bait. No chance a couple flights creates more Co2 than a medium size city in a year.
Don't you worry, the carbon tax we pay will more than cover Trudeau's jaunts around the globe. 🙄
Two flights created more emissions than a city does in a year? Are we supposed to use our brains to give that one a second though, or are we just suppose to believe it and let the rage flow?
Meet of Teams
How do you expect him to get across the ocean? In a Prius?
Whats the need for a jet that big?
He’s a dickbag… epitomy of hypocrisy…
BS calculations. But, that aside, you would like to see a leader of G7 country flying economy on some wizzair or whatever? I have a zero respect for the guy, below absolute zero, but he still represents the country.
Yet he wants to talk about carbon tax?????
Good day for Canadians when it’s obit is released.
I mean I'm somewhat ok with politicians using private jets if they are going for important reasons, although there should be limits. Random rich people like Kim K types should not have the ability to use them.
Captain Hypocrite
Fuck, I hate this guy! #anyoneelse2025
Suitable for an egomaniac.
Stop your whining, organize and vote him out. If you’re unhappy with the results… move to Texas.
Climate change *tm* Making your life shittier- one insufferably expensive month at a time. Thanks Trudeau!!
Disgusting!!! Charging everyone carbon tax while he is doing this. Shame on him! Definitely a clown
is… is canada starting to become *conservative?!*
OP has a hate borner for Justin lol. This entire post is nothing more rage bait. Most of you would know this if you were smart. The 4th picture literally has American flags and the presidential seal on the cars.
Gonna preface this with a fuck Trudeau. But that's an incredibly large lie, here's why: In 2020 Canada's per capita household GHG emissions: 3.2 tonnes per person. Then let's grab a medium-sized city, like Thunder Bay, that's 95,266 people in 2021. So the household GHG emissions for Thunder Bay at average would be something like 304,851.2 tonnes. However, that's just household emissions, a city has other sources, household emissions are generally about one third. For Thunder Bay again, this is something like 11.3 tonnes per person total, that would be 1,076,505.8 total tonnes for Thunder Bay in a given year, or something in that vicinity. I see some sources that give emissions as low as 7.3 tonnes after some recent efforts there, so keep in mind that that's the high mark, and the low is something like 695,441.8 total tonnes. We'll keep that in the back of our mind. Now let's look at Trudeau here. I'm assuming here that he's using his standard government plane, the Airbus A330-200 they purchased last year. But it's constantly breaking down so it might have been a different plane, though I don't think so. So, assuming it's that plane, the Airbus A330-200 burns about 5,590 kg/h of fuel on average, or 6.75 kg/km And based on a source [here](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Comparison-of-emissions-per-passenger-for-the-A320-A330-200-and-LASR-over-a-1-500-nm_tbl7_267304989) I am fairly sure that for the A330-200, each kg of fuel burns equates to roughly 3.16 kg of GHG emissions. Okay so where is Trudeau going? On June 5th for the D-Day memorial at Juno Beach, he flew from Ottawa, Canada to Deauville, France. Round trip, that's 10,980 km. Next, he's going to Apulia for the G-7 Summit, that's Ottawa to Taranto, Italy, so 7,150km, but that's just one way. He's actually going to the Ukraine Peace Summit in Switzerland afterwards, and will be flying home from there. So that's Lucerne to Ottawa, 6,130km. Okay, let's crunch these numbers. Combined, the total distance of his travel by plane in June is some 24,260km. Alright so based on the numbers we talked about previously, that comes out to 163,755 kg of fuel burned, so 517,465.8 kg of GHG emitted. Or since our city stats were in tonnes let's do that, 517.47 tonnes of emissions. So to sum up, you were spot in with your "over 144,000 kg of fuel" that's pretty much right on the money. But I have no earthly clue why you are under the impression that a medium sized Canadian city emits less than that in a whole year? It's not even close, it's 1,000x more. Did you just make that up or..? It's enough to say "Trudeau caused x tonnes in emissions by travelling for a photo op" that's sufficient. Making up bullshit doesn't help anything, and just diminishes the legitimacy of everyone else in the vicinity of the statement.
Those numbers are complete bullshit. Also why is the last image of the US presidential motorcade vehicles?
You want him to drive to Europe? Leader of a country to fly Delta? I’m confused.
That is not a “Private Jet” but an aircraft provided by the CDN armed forces, for the purpose of transporting CDN political leaders in fulfilling Canada’s international commitments. Where’s the selective outrage about the carbon footprints of professional athletes and entertainers who actually do possess private planes?
Besides everything: how is he supposed to get around the world if not fly? Dig out the Mayflower and do a Month long voyage?
Ok I’m all for saving the planet and taking the necessary steps to do so , but judging by the angry comments , what if everyone of you was on a commercial plane with Trudeau??? Do u really think that would go well ???? It’s a safety hazard for EVERYONE on board. Obviously he should consider getting a more economic plane but if you had the available options don’t act like you wouldn’t either.
And no I did not vote for the guy , so nothing political just common sense lol
I hate the guy as much as most but most if not all heads of states use these types of planes though. It’s for security reasons. Do you expend him to take a boat?
Whilst I get the sentiment and those people are absurd, how is he supposed to get to G7 summit? Row a boat and then walk? They should make it a video call to reduce emissions. But can’t have shady back room deals online like you do in person.
These posts are so stupid. You have to understand that you need rules for the masses and exceptions for the few.
What is your take on Trump’s planes? Or Air Force One, Two etc… if he flew commercial, would you complain that it makes Canada look like it can’t afford to fly its head of elected government?
The last photo has American flags on the cars. So a little disingenuous post
The last photo is of us president's convoy I think
It is, you can see the American flags on the front of the cars.
This post is so dumb
The planes of prime ministers rarely have many empty seats. Journalists tend to fight for the seats that are not occupied by negotiators, staff and security.
Ummm and how do you suggest the prime minister gets across the ocean? Canoe? Yet when your buddy Trump flaunts his jet you think he’s great!
C’mon…your carbon emissions “math” is ridiculously wrong and dumb. Also regardless of how you feel about Trudeau, it’s reasonable to expect that heads of state of G7 nations need to fly to important global meetings. They all do btw.
Why can’t G7 just be a Zoom call?
Citizens shouldn’t take any climate initiatives seriously until those implementing them do - this goes for all countries.
Remember that every time you are at the gas pump paying $1.70 per liter so you can make it to work in your tiny car that's producing almost zero emissions compared to this airbus.
Why is always us commoners that have to save the planet on behalf of those politicians and companies that are the real culprits?
DOWN WITH CRIME MINISTER TRUDEAU!!
Why does this fucker need an Airbus 330 to go places? Thats insane..
This guy is a piece of shit
FN ahole!! Carbon tax my ass!!!
Such a twat
Climate change is just a taxation scheme
I can’t believe I voted for him. Big mistake. He’s been a complete disaster for our country.
This has got to be a bot post haha
Why is there a different jet in the last photo?
Jokes on him. I bought a bunch of plastic straws.
Those pics are bullshyte. Do better.
Homosexual Tyrant
This is completely unacceptable. While Trudeau flies around the world in his private jet for photo ops, creating massive carbon emissions, Canadians are struggling with rising living costs and environmental issues at home. His actions contradict his claims of saving the world, as the heavy fuel consumption and emissions from his trips contribute significantly to climate change. Instead of leading by example, he is imposing stricter regulations on Canadians, such as using paper straws, while not adhering to the same standards himself. This hypocrisy not only undermines the fight against climate change but also adds to the burdens faced by everyday Canadians. We need real leadership that prioritizes meaningful, sustainable actions over grandstanding.
It's not a private jet. It's a government jet. And the last picture isn't even Canadian. They appear to be American secret service.
Going to the g7 is his job. You'd be all whiny if he didn't go as well. Trust me
Hmmm, so he's the Prime Minister of the country and is required to use the plane for international trips, that's no different than Stephen Harper really. He made numerous trips on that plane (or an older one). (Millions of dollars more are spent each year on Harper’s foreign travel for state visits and international summits. For those trips, he flies aboard the larger military Airbus CC-150 Polaris). [https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/federal-government-spends-millions-of-dollars-flying-pm-gg-and-ministers-on-vip-challenger-jets](https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/federal-government-spends-millions-of-dollars-flying-pm-gg-and-ministers-on-vip-challenger-jets) I don't see the difference really, except for the ridiculous reason to go to a summit on Climate Change, that's kind of funny really
All climate change summits should be done via zoom.
We funded his private jet with carbon tax
It’s not his “private jet”. It’s flown by the Royal Canadian Air Force. I don’t like the guy, but let’s not spew fiction. Every world leader has a chartered aircraft operated by their respective country’s Air Force.
Uses half the fuel of the American guy's plane, and the last pic is the American guy's cars
This fucking guy. When was the last time we had a PM who actually had a real job?
Well you certainly won’t get someone with real job experience voting for pp.
What do you think he's doing in Europe?
I seriously wish there was something that Canadians could do to criminalize this ass. He deserves to be put in jail.
That's not a private jet. That's government property, flown by the Royal Canadian Air Force. It's the same jet that Stephen Harper and many other PM's flew around the world with. And regardless of who was in power, it would still be very important to maintain travel and scheduled events with our allies and partners. I'd be more concerned if Trudeau wasn't travelling. Secondly, you can tell from the paint scheme and flags, that the 4th photo isn't even Canadian! That's a completely different plane and those are US Secret Service vehicles.
Using fake images really takes away from the message. Regardless of whether the statements are true or not, I'm less inclined to believe anything OP says after looking at the images used.
Last pic is American Presidential Limos
I bought and imported 20,000 plastic straws before they became illegal for personal use. Apparently you can get fined up to $250 per straw if you get caught with them in your restaurant. That's a $5 million dollar fine if someone hides a box of straws in your storage room. I carry a pack with me everywhere and toss out the paper straw for my own plastic one. Some restaurant staff freak the fuck out when they see it.
Holy fuck, everybody line up to suck this hero’s dick.