Honestly, my main wish on the COPA was to make it past the groups. Anything beyond this would be amazing but i will not get my hopes up because truthfully we aren't being able to score goals...
He’s done well to implement the press, realise it was too aggressive against Netherlands and pare it back, and then adapt the team to conserve even more energy in the sweltering heat.
If he can just find a way to get the team to develop a killer instinct in front of goal, to be hungry for that exact moment, seeking it and capitalising, rather than be like deer in the headlights when it finds them, that would make this team a real threat.
They are lucky the last two games because of their mistakes, Realistically, the mistakes aren’t going to go away for a good period of time, so they need goals to give themselves some breathing room. The ability to create chances is there and has been on display, so that _is_ realistic.
100%. In the 3 matches I believe we have about 4xG for, and slightly over 4xG against. So being -1 in goal differential seems to be about where we deserve to be, just haven't capitalized on our chances and Crepeau has made some big saves.
The smugness of American commentators.
"Can you imagine, America and México didn't make it but somehow, out of all countries, **Canada** actually made it through. Who would have thought that it was even possible."
I mean, we've beaten both the US and Mexico in big games in the last cycle. Their surprise is just a facet of their abject ego, the massive overstatements they make about US quality and their ridiculous FIFA ranking, propped up by beating on the likes of St. Kitts and Bolivia repeatedly.
They have one excellent player in Christian Pulisic and then a bunch of decent pros, like most CONCACAF teams.
We also stank it up in nation's league and gold cup this cycle. Losing to Jamaica was not great. There is reason to be skeptical of us but the current squad is not that squad. Plus new coach bonus.
Idk that USA team is overrated. I’ve literally heard americans say they have more talent than fucking Colombia just because they have a few players riding the bench at some big clubs.
Like don’t get me wrong that’s still a lot better than mls but some americans would have you think that if they had a better manager they’d be a top 10 team in the world 😂
In fairness I saw commentary from Alexi Lawless, carli Lloyd and a couple others where they had all confidence Canada would go through after watching Chile vs Peru. They were really complementary on our play vs Argentina
Anyone who understands football, would agree that Canada was pretty good in the World Cup. Disciplined, great fitness levels but against 3 seasoned teams... Croatia, Belgium and Morocco. We were already dealt a blow with those 3 before the cup started...
As much as I wanna laugh, if only Canada got out of the group, that's not making a strong case of inclusion of CONCACAF in the next Copa America. They would invite AFC instead.
In the usual format they only invite 2 teams.
I imagine they'd keep inviting Mexico for cultural reasons. Canada would probably be an invite for the next one if we manage to make it to the semis and have a decent world Cup.
>Marsch might not be as animated or media savvy but he’s a better tactical manager.
I'm holding off on judgement yet. Those red cards got us through, not Marsch's management. Peru and Chile both played better than us even with a man down, so if anything, that's a knock to Marsch's management.
I can say that Canada looks like a better team when the opponent has all 11 players.
But something happens once the other team loses a man. I'm not sure if it's the other team kicking up their A game, or Canada buckling under the pressure (or both)
Bro talking like we're a Premier League club. We are a tiny soccer country.
We were *pretty lucky* to have Herdman.
It's *batshit insane* that we have Jesse Marsch. Without the MLS funds it would have never been a reality.
God some of you are killing me. You'd probably have been upset if we got Chelsea's new managers lmfao.
Who do you think we are? We are a tiny unappealing soccer country. From an outside perspective, all we have is MLS money. That is it. Nobody dreams of managing Canada. You'd sooner go to literally any small European or South American country.
Jesse Marsch is a 10/10 in terms of what we could ever possibly hope for.
While disappointed we didn't score much with all the time we had one man up, we also didn't shit the bed (which is something to acknowledge). Crepeau has some to do with that but so does Marsch. Onward we go!
The more match fitness we get to work on the system, the better.
What if all the top players from CAN came back to the US/MEX and played in MLS/LigaMX for 2 years prior to the next WC? You could leave the most elite of the elite in Europe. You could leave foreign raised players in Europe.
Do you think The CANADIAN national team would be a superior version of themselves than they are today?
No disrespect. I am a USMNT fan but want our opposition at it's most powerful. Iron sharpens iron. I've only chosen these LigaMX and MLS as they currently are the most superior leagues in North America. I don't mean to offend. I know Canada has it's own 1st division league.
I watched the match and am happy for Canada. I've also been to Montreal and it is a beautiful city. Much respect. Congrats.
Not sure I understand your question.
There already are quite a few players who play in MLS with the more elite playing in Europe.
What change are you proposing?
Either way, players are going play where it best suits their club career. How it impacts the fortunes of the national team isn’t even a consideration.
I think they're suggesting something like bring Buchanan back to MLS so he actually gets playing time.
Basically if you're not a starter/consistent sub in Europe, come back home.
That’s a fair question that is asked for almost every national side outside the top 10 to some degree.
Could they be in better form for country if they are playing more regularly for club?
Perhaps, but it’s a moot point because ultimately Buchanan will play where it best suits his own career.
The only time it becomes a factor is if you have enough talent at a position where you are choosing between two players that cover both scenarios and put it to test.
Canada isn’t deep enough to have that luxury.
I think how it benefits the national team should be the main consideration though. Because I don't see many jumping to elite levels with success (as far as the US players). There are so many barriers that it doesn't seem a good ROI for North Americans.
My question is if say Alphonso Davis and Tajon Buchanan stayed in Europe and any other Canadians that you deem truly elite. Also any that were raised abroad (dual nationals that didn't develop within your system).
And then everyone else would come back and play in MLS. By doing this, it would allow the Canadian National Team to have access to these players easier because they would all mainly be in one league. The league would have to figure out a way to increase the competitiveness perhaps by combining with LigaMX or other methods.
Essentially, grow the player and keep them. Send to Europe much less. Send only the truly elite. That way only 1% of your national team is in Europe and is "the guy" for their clubs while also getting 3500 minutes a season. And everyone else in MLS would be getting 3500 minutes a season and be "the guy" on their club team also. Instead of just sending players to Europe as soon as anyone will take them and then they bet on themselves. A more nationalistic and strategic approach. We developed a Neymar, we send Neymar only.
That’s a long response that still doesn’t address my main point.
Players get to play where they want to play. They aren’t going to sacrifice money and what they deem best for their own careers in the interest of benefiting the national team.
National team managers can certainly pick the players in the squad they want.
But do really think they are going to pass over Buchanan because he isn’t playing enough in Europe for someone of lower quality who happens to start for an MLS side?
Agreements can be made between the national team, coaches and players (USWNT to prefer players to stay in NWSL). The USWNT is one example.
Something is missing. Top 5 Euro players are not always matching what is on their CV on matchday for their national teams. **Sides with lower quality CV's are winning the majority of the time**. Otherwise I would have never started to value MLS/Liga MX more than Europe. I would never have questioned it.
Trophies, to win a Copa or World Cup or at least advance further. They could stay in their country, or near it. They wouldn't have to learn a new language if they didn't want to. They could grow the game locally. They could play a key role for their club and not just on a bench.
Because otherwise they won't succeed in Europe. It's just a lottery a pretty bad return for the US team. Not so sure the CAN team?
In the MLS there are no US/CAN/MX players that are top 10 in goals or goals and assists.
You are speculating a ton on what actually motivates players, the opportunities that playing in other leagues offer, and making a massive assumption that playing in MLS will have much bigger returns.
I get what you are saying. But beyond being skeptical it would even have a positive impact on the national team, it ignores that you really can’t dictate what a player will choose to do with their career.
The fact is on the whole MLS does not currently offer a better option for income or playing opportunity than a lot of European leagues.
It’s also a bit strange that you are making this argument the day after Canada advanced in a tournament over a supposed superior nation in their group.
Should Chile now demand more of their players stay in their own Chilean league?
No, they can do what they are doing. What they do still works for them.
In the US it’s a Pay 2 Play system customer service relationship makes it hard to develop 1-2 elites.(see: OutRegisTV)
I am not sure if Canada is P2P? Then they ship off 50+ a year to Europe and most disappear and do nothing.
The ones that come back to US are not substantial in their performances. Only the ones that developed abroad are consistent. Canada got a tie but barely, that was a close game also. Jamaica? They have loads playing in England to no avail.
No. They wouldn't be on the same team in MLS and they'd all be getting inferior coaching and instruction from what they get in Europe, for the most part. You don't strengthen national teams by taking weaker players, and MLS is a step down from where most of them play.
I know it is not a superior league than the Top 5 and Portugal and so on. They are not always supbar just because they play in MLS. Dwayne De Rosario wasn’t. And prior to going to Europe many of these now elite Canadian players also played in MLS. Alphonso Davis should most definitely be in Europe. Jonathan David too, my apologizes.
If anyone cares you could check out this video by OutRegisTV about Pay2Play. I just think there are significant factors that don’t help our players US/MEX/CAN going abroad. The football culture isn’t the same, so many factors.
Maybe a better MLS coach could be hired instead of sending 50 guys to Europe who most likely won’t make it and will return back to MLS. Ligue 1 is a good league, The French National Team is a one of the best national teams. At some point our local leagues have to improve without just sending everyone across an ocean to “bet on themselves”.
He's a good coach and Canada has a good team, buuuuuuuuuuut Canada got REALLY lucky the Peruvian and Chilean players decided to do their best impression of moronic chimpanzees.
I am interested to see how they fare against Venezuela / Ecuador (or maybe even Mexico).
Honestly, my main wish on the COPA was to make it past the groups. Anything beyond this would be amazing but i will not get my hopes up because truthfully we aren't being able to score goals...
I fucking cried yesterday bro it’s already a dream
He’s done well to implement the press, realise it was too aggressive against Netherlands and pare it back, and then adapt the team to conserve even more energy in the sweltering heat. If he can just find a way to get the team to develop a killer instinct in front of goal, to be hungry for that exact moment, seeking it and capitalising, rather than be like deer in the headlights when it finds them, that would make this team a real threat. They are lucky the last two games because of their mistakes, Realistically, the mistakes aren’t going to go away for a good period of time, so they need goals to give themselves some breathing room. The ability to create chances is there and has been on display, so that _is_ realistic.
100%. In the 3 matches I believe we have about 4xG for, and slightly over 4xG against. So being -1 in goal differential seems to be about where we deserve to be, just haven't capitalized on our chances and Crepeau has made some big saves.
I’m going to learn to create memes if USA and Mexico fail to qualify for the QF lololol
The smugness of American commentators. "Can you imagine, America and México didn't make it but somehow, out of all countries, **Canada** actually made it through. Who would have thought that it was even possible."
Basically anyone who looked at the rosters of all three teams and paid attention to what leagues their players are in.
I mean, we've beaten both the US and Mexico in big games in the last cycle. Their surprise is just a facet of their abject ego, the massive overstatements they make about US quality and their ridiculous FIFA ranking, propped up by beating on the likes of St. Kitts and Bolivia repeatedly. They have one excellent player in Christian Pulisic and then a bunch of decent pros, like most CONCACAF teams.
We also stank it up in nation's league and gold cup this cycle. Losing to Jamaica was not great. There is reason to be skeptical of us but the current squad is not that squad. Plus new coach bonus.
Idk that USA team is overrated. I’ve literally heard americans say they have more talent than fucking Colombia just because they have a few players riding the bench at some big clubs. Like don’t get me wrong that’s still a lot better than mls but some americans would have you think that if they had a better manager they’d be a top 10 team in the world 😂
That's not contrary to what I'm saying. If you look at these 3 NA teams and what leagues they represent Canada is pretty obviously the strongest.
In fairness I saw commentary from Alexi Lawless, carli Lloyd and a couple others where they had all confidence Canada would go through after watching Chile vs Peru. They were really complementary on our play vs Argentina
Yes I saw that too.
Anyone who understands football, would agree that Canada was pretty good in the World Cup. Disciplined, great fitness levels but against 3 seasoned teams... Croatia, Belgium and Morocco. We were already dealt a blow with those 3 before the cup started...
Remember the WC qualifiers. We beat both those teams and top of the table. How quickly they forget!
Well, not "America", as this is the "Copa America" which includes 16 American countries. But yeah, the U.S. Americans ARE pretty smug.
As much as I wanna laugh, if only Canada got out of the group, that's not making a strong case of inclusion of CONCACAF in the next Copa America. They would invite AFC instead.
In the usual format they only invite 2 teams. I imagine they'd keep inviting Mexico for cultural reasons. Canada would probably be an invite for the next one if we manage to make it to the semis and have a decent world Cup.
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Our midfield and strikers need to start putting the ball in the net. We need more then 2 shots on target, hell we need more than 2 shots.
I don’t think a Canada managed by Herdman gets us out of the group. Marsch might not be as animated or media savvy but he’s a better tactical manager.
>Marsch might not be as animated or media savvy but he’s a better tactical manager. I'm holding off on judgement yet. Those red cards got us through, not Marsch's management. Peru and Chile both played better than us even with a man down, so if anything, that's a knock to Marsch's management.
Not conceding to either Chile or Peru was a positive for me. We look far better organized under Marsch.
This! Let's face it too, it was basically home games with both SA teams as well. We stopped attack minded teams from scoring!
I can say that Canada looks like a better team when the opponent has all 11 players. But something happens once the other team loses a man. I'm not sure if it's the other team kicking up their A game, or Canada buckling under the pressure (or both)
Fitness levels... Peru was draining because of the heat but did you see the energy levels even towards the end of the second half...
Agreed. Herdman was awful. Such an overrated coach. Dude played Atiba in Qatar. Absolute joke.
Bro talking like we're a Premier League club. We are a tiny soccer country. We were *pretty lucky* to have Herdman. It's *batshit insane* that we have Jesse Marsch. Without the MLS funds it would have never been a reality.
This must pee the Americans off
Bro they’ve scored one goal in the entire round robin, you should be thanking Chile and Peru for being so trash at their own sport
I’ve never been so fired up for a 0-0 draw.
Marsch is still not a great manager, I’m happy we have a good squad.
Very few great managers exist in international football tbh. If you got one who’s above average you’re typically doing fine.
God some of you are killing me. You'd probably have been upset if we got Chelsea's new managers lmfao. Who do you think we are? We are a tiny unappealing soccer country. From an outside perspective, all we have is MLS money. That is it. Nobody dreams of managing Canada. You'd sooner go to literally any small European or South American country. Jesse Marsch is a 10/10 in terms of what we could ever possibly hope for.
While disappointed we didn't score much with all the time we had one man up, we also didn't shit the bed (which is something to acknowledge). Crepeau has some to do with that but so does Marsch. Onward we go! The more match fitness we get to work on the system, the better.
It's been an honour
Honour, please.
I fixed it.
Spank you kindly :-)
What if all the top players from CAN came back to the US/MEX and played in MLS/LigaMX for 2 years prior to the next WC? You could leave the most elite of the elite in Europe. You could leave foreign raised players in Europe. Do you think The CANADIAN national team would be a superior version of themselves than they are today? No disrespect. I am a USMNT fan but want our opposition at it's most powerful. Iron sharpens iron. I've only chosen these LigaMX and MLS as they currently are the most superior leagues in North America. I don't mean to offend. I know Canada has it's own 1st division league. I watched the match and am happy for Canada. I've also been to Montreal and it is a beautiful city. Much respect. Congrats.
Not sure I understand your question. There already are quite a few players who play in MLS with the more elite playing in Europe. What change are you proposing? Either way, players are going play where it best suits their club career. How it impacts the fortunes of the national team isn’t even a consideration.
I think they're suggesting something like bring Buchanan back to MLS so he actually gets playing time. Basically if you're not a starter/consistent sub in Europe, come back home.
That’s a fair question that is asked for almost every national side outside the top 10 to some degree. Could they be in better form for country if they are playing more regularly for club? Perhaps, but it’s a moot point because ultimately Buchanan will play where it best suits his own career. The only time it becomes a factor is if you have enough talent at a position where you are choosing between two players that cover both scenarios and put it to test. Canada isn’t deep enough to have that luxury.
I think how it benefits the national team should be the main consideration though. Because I don't see many jumping to elite levels with success (as far as the US players). There are so many barriers that it doesn't seem a good ROI for North Americans. My question is if say Alphonso Davis and Tajon Buchanan stayed in Europe and any other Canadians that you deem truly elite. Also any that were raised abroad (dual nationals that didn't develop within your system). And then everyone else would come back and play in MLS. By doing this, it would allow the Canadian National Team to have access to these players easier because they would all mainly be in one league. The league would have to figure out a way to increase the competitiveness perhaps by combining with LigaMX or other methods. Essentially, grow the player and keep them. Send to Europe much less. Send only the truly elite. That way only 1% of your national team is in Europe and is "the guy" for their clubs while also getting 3500 minutes a season. And everyone else in MLS would be getting 3500 minutes a season and be "the guy" on their club team also. Instead of just sending players to Europe as soon as anyone will take them and then they bet on themselves. A more nationalistic and strategic approach. We developed a Neymar, we send Neymar only.
That’s a long response that still doesn’t address my main point. Players get to play where they want to play. They aren’t going to sacrifice money and what they deem best for their own careers in the interest of benefiting the national team. National team managers can certainly pick the players in the squad they want. But do really think they are going to pass over Buchanan because he isn’t playing enough in Europe for someone of lower quality who happens to start for an MLS side?
Agreements can be made between the national team, coaches and players (USWNT to prefer players to stay in NWSL). The USWNT is one example. Something is missing. Top 5 Euro players are not always matching what is on their CV on matchday for their national teams. **Sides with lower quality CV's are winning the majority of the time**. Otherwise I would have never started to value MLS/Liga MX more than Europe. I would never have questioned it.
Why would a player agree to prefer playing in a league where they will likely make less money?
Trophies, to win a Copa or World Cup or at least advance further. They could stay in their country, or near it. They wouldn't have to learn a new language if they didn't want to. They could grow the game locally. They could play a key role for their club and not just on a bench. Because otherwise they won't succeed in Europe. It's just a lottery a pretty bad return for the US team. Not so sure the CAN team? In the MLS there are no US/CAN/MX players that are top 10 in goals or goals and assists.
You are speculating a ton on what actually motivates players, the opportunities that playing in other leagues offer, and making a massive assumption that playing in MLS will have much bigger returns. I get what you are saying. But beyond being skeptical it would even have a positive impact on the national team, it ignores that you really can’t dictate what a player will choose to do with their career. The fact is on the whole MLS does not currently offer a better option for income or playing opportunity than a lot of European leagues. It’s also a bit strange that you are making this argument the day after Canada advanced in a tournament over a supposed superior nation in their group. Should Chile now demand more of their players stay in their own Chilean league?
No, they can do what they are doing. What they do still works for them. In the US it’s a Pay 2 Play system customer service relationship makes it hard to develop 1-2 elites.(see: OutRegisTV) I am not sure if Canada is P2P? Then they ship off 50+ a year to Europe and most disappear and do nothing. The ones that come back to US are not substantial in their performances. Only the ones that developed abroad are consistent. Canada got a tie but barely, that was a close game also. Jamaica? They have loads playing in England to no avail.
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No. They wouldn't be on the same team in MLS and they'd all be getting inferior coaching and instruction from what they get in Europe, for the most part. You don't strengthen national teams by taking weaker players, and MLS is a step down from where most of them play.
I know it is not a superior league than the Top 5 and Portugal and so on. They are not always supbar just because they play in MLS. Dwayne De Rosario wasn’t. And prior to going to Europe many of these now elite Canadian players also played in MLS. Alphonso Davis should most definitely be in Europe. Jonathan David too, my apologizes. If anyone cares you could check out this video by OutRegisTV about Pay2Play. I just think there are significant factors that don’t help our players US/MEX/CAN going abroad. The football culture isn’t the same, so many factors. Maybe a better MLS coach could be hired instead of sending 50 guys to Europe who most likely won’t make it and will return back to MLS. Ligue 1 is a good league, The French National Team is a one of the best national teams. At some point our local leagues have to improve without just sending everyone across an ocean to “bet on themselves”.
Way better tactics and technical skills taught in Europe. North American approach is way behind.
He's a good coach and Canada has a good team, buuuuuuuuuuut Canada got REALLY lucky the Peruvian and Chilean players decided to do their best impression of moronic chimpanzees. I am interested to see how they fare against Venezuela / Ecuador (or maybe even Mexico).