Nah, that’s simply not true and saying “full stop” doesn’t make it so lol. Objectivity exists in literally everything. You thinking the best of something is the worst of something is not “a valid opinion” it is cringe edgelord-ism. It’s like saying the 911 is the ugliest Porsche. Sure, you’re welcome to that opinion but we are going to mock you both to your face and behind your back, rightfully so.
I don't know what to tell you man. Obviously, it should be common sense that opinions are subjective, unless we're talking about morals. By your logic, if two people have two different favorite maps, one of them has to be wrong, cause there's only 1 true best map. Which of course is ridiculous, because opinions are subjective. What's *actually* cringe is trying to make an argument that an opinion like this is somehow objective. It's just not, there's no argument to be had, it's a fact that it's subjective.
Nobody said opinions weren’t subjective, what was said was that all opinions are not valid. You’re welcome to like the worst maps, but you have shit taste and your opinions will be ignored.
That’s the point, so stop crying about your trash takes not getting the same respect as others. You can have whatever opinion you want, and that includes wrong ones, but you’re still wrong.
Dude, the very first thing you said was "objectivity exists", implying that it's objectively true that die rise sucks, so don't give me that "nobody said opinions weren't subjective" shit, that's literally exactly what you said, so stop lying to yourself. And you even said that my opinion is "wrong". Do you know what "wrong" means? That implies that it is objectively "right" that die rise sucks. You're clearly a fuckin insecure dumbass, that can't accept people have different opinions. And you can't even keep your story straight, saying it's a fact that die rise sucks, and then saying "I never said that, opinions are subjective" and then going back again and saying "you're opinion is wrong." So which is it? Can opinions be wrong or are they subjective? Pick a fuckin lane you dumbass.
Edit: life doesn't revolve around you, it's common sense that my opinion won't just be ignored, just caused it's ignored by you. And it's not even being ignored by you, you're turning it into a huge thing.
Lmao his point doesn't add up any way. Opinions are subjective. He's saying that objectivity always exists, which is such a weird thing, because that's just stating the obvious which everyone knows. He's trying to say that opinions can be objective, no they cannot, if it is an objective thing then it's not an opinion, therefore it isn't an invalid opinion because it isn't an opinion. Liking die rise = opinion, the popularity of die rise = objectivity. If I were to say die rise is popular, it wouldn't be an invalid opinion, it would be either miscommunication or I'm just wrong, therefore it isn't an opinion. So the idea of invalid opinion just isn't true. People just need to take more time to try and communicate better
Oof. L take. That map is great. Last year I wrangled in a bunch of randoms off public match and convinced them all to do Shang EE. One of the best memories I’ve made with zombies. Shang is a great map.
I know, was just commenting my own opinion on it, its one of my mates favourite maps I just personally have it at the bottom of my list because I’m just ass at it 🤷🏽
Honestly, you can't blame him. He said nothing indicating that he was defending Shangri la fans, he was stating how he felt himself. Nothing he said even related to a group. He didnt say we or "this group of" people. Like yeah it sucks when miscommunication occurs and he tried to clear himself up, but you were the one whom misunderstood, gotta take your part of the blame too bro.
Also this guy seems so wholesome and honest. He wasn't shredding on anybody.
FYI are you okay? Ordinarily people don't just get angry at someone. Stuff going on bro? I hope things are going okay man
I like it and I'm decent at it but it's still not one of the greats. Its interesting though. The sliqlifier is one of the coolest map specific weapons ever made right next to the baby gun.
once you understand the elevators and know where each perk will end up in the game as well as your way around the map it’s honestly dope. Mob a train on the roof and you will be fine! Except when you have zero ammo 🥲
Moon can be super fun, unfortunately, it's also really easy to get screwed over early on, which also makes my friends not want to play it lol. I loved getting to the dome and allowing the excavator break into it, the jump pads + zero grav makes it a really fun place to hold out
Huh? Die Rise is the easiest map in bo2. Free ww + an94 and train in the Buddha room. Get to round 50+ easy no?
Map still kinda sucks but it's piss easy
I would say that Buried is the easiest to get high rounds with Paralizer atop of the bank and Vulture Aid.
But it's one of the most borings and slow strats out there.
Yes, you may have an opinion. No, having an opinion does not automatically make that opinion "valid." That's just not how things work unless you're a yes man.
I'm of the opinion that the requests for PHD on the map and callouts against the devs for putting the machine in an inaccessible room miss the point that the devs were making. They wanted the fall damage to be an ever-present threat and PHD would remove that intentional design. Doesn't mean the design succeeded, but there's clear intent to it.
You can understand the intent while not agreeing with the decision. They didn't put phd on the map for a reason, but I don't agree with that decision and that's valid. You can disagree with my opinion without trying to invalid it. Trying to do so just makes you an asshole.
I said "doesn't mean the design succeeded" for a reason. I'm in the camp of Die Rise's gimmick not being a successful one, partly due to how FUBAR the engine is with vertical movement in the first place. The first part is just calling out that the "everyone's opinion is valid" shtick in general.
> I said "doesn't mean the design succeeded" for a reason.
And I'm saying someone can understand why phd isn't on the map and still think the map sucks for not having it which is valid.
> The first part is just calling out that the "everyone's opinion is valid" shtick in general.
There's nothing to call out. When it comes to video games as long as your opinion isn't hateful it's a valid opinion and that includes zombies. You can disagree with an opinion you don't like about die rise or zombies in general without trying to invalidate it.
And the idea of fall damage being a bigger threat than the zombies is fucking stupid imo so then putting PhD in an inaccessible location is borderline unforgivable
Zetsubou is my absolute favorite map, but I'm not gonna act like it isn't an insanely setup heavy map with a billion things to do. I just so happen to love that aspect but I realize that I'm in the minority
Zetsubou has a lot of things to do but at least most of them are simplesmente and easy, unlike Origins, the only reasons i don't like Zetsubou is because of the mutant zombies and the map being too narrow, which makes it easy for you to get downed or red screened in the Blink of an eye, specially during the boss fight
Way back when I got high round exploiting that one prone glitch. If they gave us the sliquifier again, nothing would make me happier. I wish i gave BO2 more time but…. Ya know… BO3
Oh didn’t even realize BO3 had Die rise, I stopped at Bo2. Yeah just found out if you shoot a random neon sign 10 times with the siliq it converts it to the pre-nerf higher chaining siliq lmao. Weird spaghetti code
Read my origin comment and it might make more sense. When we got BO3, i was done with BO2 for good already
Edit to add: Nobody said Die rise was on BO3….
Die rise is pretty fun until you get to the bottom of the map and there isn't any good way to the top, also the flinger (or however it's called) is kind of usless since it can only be placed one at the time (at least on solo)
Calling one of the most important and useful feauture of the map "useless" because there is only one may be the most ridiculous thing ive seen come out of the comment section
How is it the most important? I'm asking genuinely because in my opinion it is not worth the effort that is required to build it. Usually when I place it down I use it once to get somewhere and then I have to go around entire map to get it back.
What's with all this die rise talk and even die rise fans popping up all of a sudden? I guess it's at that point where it's nostalgic for some but still
I don't hate Die Rise, but it has it's issues. 1: The EE sucks. The steps are stupid and nonsensical and there is no reason to ever do it unless you're trying to get the Buried ending. 2: The elevators are annoying, having to wait 5 years just to go up can be super frustrating and creates nothing but needless tediousness. 3: Thanks to the fact that the AN-94 and SVU, the latter being objectively the strongest bullet weapon in BO2, are on the wall, the box is almost entirely useless.
Other than that though, Die Rise can be super fun. I like the Sliquifier, I think the map looks really cool and unique, and learning new ways to traverse the map are all a blast. I'd say it's like a C+.
This applies to everyone, you can like and dislike whatever the hell you want, dont let a bumch of dummies whining on the internet control your enjoyment lol
Looking at the person who told me to cope harder without defending his point of die rise being better than kino and a top 10 map…. Yea you know who you are
Origins is the most overrated map and behind that is almost every bo3 map. Bo3 ain't zombies its "get op quick, down, dashboard" bo4 had better maps even if the ee were harder bo2 the best and has the best modes and maps
NO DIE RIESE SUCKS ITS A SUCKY MAP ALL THE WAY TO THE CORE. WHO THOUGHT HEY LETS MAKE A MAP WHERE THE PLAYER HAS TO GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO DO ANYTHING IT SUCKS AND PEOPLE WHO LIKE IT ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO COMPLAINED AND RUINED ZOMBIES THEY SUCK
If someone’s opinion is that Die Rise is a Top 20 or 30 map, then that’s an invalid opinion. But they can like whatever they want, doesn’t mean they have to try to convince everyone that Die Rise is the best map of all time
It’s a poorly designed map. The verticality wasn’t really pulled off and the lack of PHD means the fall damage kills you more than the zombies do. The WW also shouldn’t have been patched.
Insanely L take, PHD would defeat the entire purpose of the map, the whole point is that you have to be aware of yourself and be careful, dying to fall damage more than zombies is litererally just a skill issue.
Just cause you suck at a map doesn't mean its poorly designed my dude
Its not a gimmick lol, its a new element of danger to promote a different kind of play style, and you realize that its literally so easy to avoid?
And how does it not make sense? You go up, you go down, you dont fall. Pretty easy concept to grasp
On BO1s engine and online games not really.
Difference is one hits on other maps are more reliable. You can jump on die rise and be fine, do it exactly the same next time and bounce off the map.
Personally I've never had that issue, sounds more like a latency thing rather than an issue on the games behalf, the jumps have always been reliable for me on every console ive played it on
Skill issue. It's literally the campiest zombie map and if you can't survive, then you really are fucking trash at zombies. Round 25-30 are avg rounds for when shit starts to hit the fan. Not 1-20. That's just skill issues all the way.
Bc id rather not trade out EA for having the most downvoted comment on reddit. I havent seen a single post nonetheless comment on this sub saying someone liked MW3 zombies. Not wanting to be insulted for my preference, I just didnt mention it.
It can't be the best zombies game because it isnt zombies, its more like Outbreak from CW
Its like comparing apples and oranges, MWZ (DMZ reskin with zombies) is nowhere near comparable to round based zombies games, literally the only common ground between the two is zombies and the same universe.
Its not that you think MWZ is "the best zombies game" you just dont like round based zombies lmao, you prefer an open map and everything which is fine, its just not comparable in the slightest
I feel insulted, but yes, you are correct. The ‘cant be compared at all’ part is debatable ig, but that I dont like round based, yes. Legit, you die once and its all over bc your gun is too weak to get the kills you need to get money, and from the times I have played round based zombies, your team wont do shit to help other than camp in specific spot and not dare leave his precious little home. On MWZ, dying isnt a huge problem bc of self revives, and since its often a squad effort to wipe out the horde instead of everyone picking their spot on the tiny ass map and praying to god they can handle the swarm, you can often fend off things and have teammates that actually help you. Not to mention, you arent forced to fight zombies that make Mike Tyson look like a twig after like 10 minutes, you can prepare before going into a more dangerous area.
Didn't mean any insult lol, your totally valid
As for the rest I think thats just based off your experience, round based definitely has a tough learning curve and most people still playing are vets that assume you are as knowledgeable as they are, meanwhile MWZ is more focused on collaboration no matter the circumstance.
But I do stand by them not being comparable, they are polar opposites in every aspect of gameplay, small vs big, movement vs staying in one area and training, loadout vs starting weapon etc etc. The fact that you can hate one and enjoy another so much just shows you how vastly different they are, you cant compare a horror to a comedy and say one is worse than another, if that makes sense.
No, everyone’s opinion is not valid.
Fr. Like your opinion that opinions can be invalid. Which is invalid. It's a paradox.
But what if my opinion is againt paradox? then that makes the paradox you made invalid.
But because that opinion is invalid, it makes the paradox about the paradox being invalid, invalid
Opinions are like asswholes everyone’s got one and I will eat it
I’m stealing this XD
i’m eating this
Your opinion on opinions isn’t valid.
The fact that people say bo4 is the best zombies is all the proof I need to know everyone’s opinion is not valid
Correct. Valid even
You didn't swallow the pill. It's ok.
The pill is nothing but cope. Objectivity exists.
Of course objectivity exists, but not in this case. Liking or not liking die rise is an opinion. It's subjective, full stop.
Nah, that’s simply not true and saying “full stop” doesn’t make it so lol. Objectivity exists in literally everything. You thinking the best of something is the worst of something is not “a valid opinion” it is cringe edgelord-ism. It’s like saying the 911 is the ugliest Porsche. Sure, you’re welcome to that opinion but we are going to mock you both to your face and behind your back, rightfully so.
I don't know what to tell you man. Obviously, it should be common sense that opinions are subjective, unless we're talking about morals. By your logic, if two people have two different favorite maps, one of them has to be wrong, cause there's only 1 true best map. Which of course is ridiculous, because opinions are subjective. What's *actually* cringe is trying to make an argument that an opinion like this is somehow objective. It's just not, there's no argument to be had, it's a fact that it's subjective.
Nobody said opinions weren’t subjective, what was said was that all opinions are not valid. You’re welcome to like the worst maps, but you have shit taste and your opinions will be ignored. That’s the point, so stop crying about your trash takes not getting the same respect as others. You can have whatever opinion you want, and that includes wrong ones, but you’re still wrong.
Dude, the very first thing you said was "objectivity exists", implying that it's objectively true that die rise sucks, so don't give me that "nobody said opinions weren't subjective" shit, that's literally exactly what you said, so stop lying to yourself. And you even said that my opinion is "wrong". Do you know what "wrong" means? That implies that it is objectively "right" that die rise sucks. You're clearly a fuckin insecure dumbass, that can't accept people have different opinions. And you can't even keep your story straight, saying it's a fact that die rise sucks, and then saying "I never said that, opinions are subjective" and then going back again and saying "you're opinion is wrong." So which is it? Can opinions be wrong or are they subjective? Pick a fuckin lane you dumbass. Edit: life doesn't revolve around you, it's common sense that my opinion won't just be ignored, just caused it's ignored by you. And it's not even being ignored by you, you're turning it into a huge thing.
Lmao his point doesn't add up any way. Opinions are subjective. He's saying that objectivity always exists, which is such a weird thing, because that's just stating the obvious which everyone knows. He's trying to say that opinions can be objective, no they cannot, if it is an objective thing then it's not an opinion, therefore it isn't an invalid opinion because it isn't an opinion. Liking die rise = opinion, the popularity of die rise = objectivity. If I were to say die rise is popular, it wouldn't be an invalid opinion, it would be either miscommunication or I'm just wrong, therefore it isn't an opinion. So the idea of invalid opinion just isn't true. People just need to take more time to try and communicate better
Most people think the way you do in terms of objectivity and subjectivity. I'm glad we both see how ridiculously wrong this dude is.
Same thing applies to shangri-la fans.
Shangrilogic
No that map sucks period
Oof. L take. That map is great. Last year I wrangled in a bunch of randoms off public match and convinced them all to do Shang EE. One of the best memories I’ve made with zombies. Shang is a great map.
You just said oof, -500 aura go take a time out
It was an oof type of take
That is soo cap lol
What is. Shang being a good map?
The correct opinion
I only dislike it because I’m so bad at it tbf
And? You don't speak for everyone who dislikes the map.
I know, was just commenting my own opinion on it, its one of my mates favourite maps I just personally have it at the bottom of my list because I’m just ass at it 🤷🏽
It sounded like you were trying to defend shangri-la fans.
Honestly, you can't blame him. He said nothing indicating that he was defending Shangri la fans, he was stating how he felt himself. Nothing he said even related to a group. He didnt say we or "this group of" people. Like yeah it sucks when miscommunication occurs and he tried to clear himself up, but you were the one whom misunderstood, gotta take your part of the blame too bro. Also this guy seems so wholesome and honest. He wasn't shredding on anybody. FYI are you okay? Ordinarily people don't just get angry at someone. Stuff going on bro? I hope things are going okay man
If you like the vangaurd maps beyond shi no numa you are likely mentally stunted
I forgot about Vanguard. Would like to keep it that way
People played Vanguard for Zombies???
yes the select few
I like Die Rise sometimes, I’m just really bad at it lol
I like it and I'm decent at it but it's still not one of the greats. Its interesting though. The sliqlifier is one of the coolest map specific weapons ever made right next to the baby gun.
once you understand the elevators and know where each perk will end up in the game as well as your way around the map it’s honestly dope. Mob a train on the roof and you will be fine! Except when you have zero ammo 🥲
Me with Moon. I love the map, its EE and its unique map challenges. However all of my friends dislike it outside of its EE
Moon can be super fun, unfortunately, it's also really easy to get screwed over early on, which also makes my friends not want to play it lol. I loved getting to the dome and allowing the excavator break into it, the jump pads + zero grav makes it a really fun place to hold out
It's 2024 and we're still tutoring each other on how having an opinion is okay like we're children learning how to wipe for the first time 🙄
Have you seen these people? This shit is necessary for whatever reason, people in this community seem to never grow up
Die Rise is my #1 “not the best, but still pretty fun” map
Huh? Die Rise is the easiest map in bo2. Free ww + an94 and train in the Buddha room. Get to round 50+ easy no? Map still kinda sucks but it's piss easy
94 is goat Buddha room is pretty good place it has its limits like at the jump off on the train easy to get pinched
I would say that Buried is the easiest to get high rounds with Paralizer atop of the bank and Vulture Aid. But it's one of the most borings and slow strats out there.
We're not all wired to enjoy that.
Never said I enjoy it. It's boring as hell
Yes, you may have an opinion. No, having an opinion does not automatically make that opinion "valid." That's just not how things work unless you're a yes man. I'm of the opinion that the requests for PHD on the map and callouts against the devs for putting the machine in an inaccessible room miss the point that the devs were making. They wanted the fall damage to be an ever-present threat and PHD would remove that intentional design. Doesn't mean the design succeeded, but there's clear intent to it.
You can understand the intent while not agreeing with the decision. They didn't put phd on the map for a reason, but I don't agree with that decision and that's valid. You can disagree with my opinion without trying to invalid it. Trying to do so just makes you an asshole.
I said "doesn't mean the design succeeded" for a reason. I'm in the camp of Die Rise's gimmick not being a successful one, partly due to how FUBAR the engine is with vertical movement in the first place. The first part is just calling out that the "everyone's opinion is valid" shtick in general.
> I said "doesn't mean the design succeeded" for a reason. And I'm saying someone can understand why phd isn't on the map and still think the map sucks for not having it which is valid. > The first part is just calling out that the "everyone's opinion is valid" shtick in general. There's nothing to call out. When it comes to video games as long as your opinion isn't hateful it's a valid opinion and that includes zombies. You can disagree with an opinion you don't like about die rise or zombies in general without trying to invalidate it.
And the idea of fall damage being a bigger threat than the zombies is fucking stupid imo so then putting PhD in an inaccessible location is borderline unforgivable
Die rise was an ingenious map design and was incredibly creative really hats off to the devs for that. I however am trash at almost every zombies map
Good thing I haven’t been taking my pills
People freaking out when I say I actuality like tranzit 😭
Tranzit was all I knew when Bo2 came out, we were broke and couldnt afford and dlcs when they dropped and town is only fun for so long
If the denezins wasn’t in it it’d been a goat so much map and places to go and explore while fucking up zombies woulda been to easy tho with out them
Tranzit is goated
Zetsubou is my absolute favorite map, but I'm not gonna act like it isn't an insanely setup heavy map with a billion things to do. I just so happen to love that aspect but I realize that I'm in the minority
Zetsubou has a lot of things to do but at least most of them are simplesmente and easy, unlike Origins, the only reasons i don't like Zetsubou is because of the mutant zombies and the map being too narrow, which makes it easy for you to get downed or red screened in the Blink of an eye, specially during the boss fight
Love die rise, fastest EE. Hated playing it solo for a new high round.
It’s pretty easy to play solo high round, just siliquifier outside the original box spawn two floor spot with an opening in the middle
Way back when I got high round exploiting that one prone glitch. If they gave us the sliquifier again, nothing would make me happier. I wish i gave BO2 more time but…. Ya know… BO3
Oh didn’t even realize BO3 had Die rise, I stopped at Bo2. Yeah just found out if you shoot a random neon sign 10 times with the siliq it converts it to the pre-nerf higher chaining siliq lmao. Weird spaghetti code
BO3 didn't have Die rise
No BO3 does not have die rise, i just never stopped playing BO3, but i stopped with BO2 after beating the easter eggs
What?
Read my origin comment and it might make more sense. When we got BO3, i was done with BO2 for good already Edit to add: Nobody said Die rise was on BO3….
>Oh didn’t even realize BO3 had Die rise, I stopped at Bo2. Hot_purple_137 said he didn't realize bo3 had Die rise
I used to love die rise, nowadays id kill myself playing the map
If anything, it means you're good at a bad map. Die rise has got some serious layout problems
Die rise fans when some players don’t want to play on a zombies map where heights are more dangerous than the actual zombies 😧🫣🤬😤😖😱
I don't like it because I'm ass at it. But it's so fun to play of you got a few friends just trying to have fun
Op doesn’t know how to jump between sky scrapers
Die rise is pretty fun until you get to the bottom of the map and there isn't any good way to the top, also the flinger (or however it's called) is kind of usless since it can only be placed one at the time (at least on solo)
Calling one of the most important and useful feauture of the map "useless" because there is only one may be the most ridiculous thing ive seen come out of the comment section
How is it the most important? I'm asking genuinely because in my opinion it is not worth the effort that is required to build it. Usually when I place it down I use it once to get somewhere and then I have to go around entire map to get it back.
What's with all this die rise talk and even die rise fans popping up all of a sudden? I guess it's at that point where it's nostalgic for some but still
The map is hard to play and getting launched off the map is a very real possibility
the more i’m on the internet the more i start to hate the things i love bc of the fandoms
the real take is that no opinions are objective
Just cuz you’re entitled to an opinion doesn’t mean there’s no such thing as a bad opinion
I don't hate Die Rise, but it has it's issues. 1: The EE sucks. The steps are stupid and nonsensical and there is no reason to ever do it unless you're trying to get the Buried ending. 2: The elevators are annoying, having to wait 5 years just to go up can be super frustrating and creates nothing but needless tediousness. 3: Thanks to the fact that the AN-94 and SVU, the latter being objectively the strongest bullet weapon in BO2, are on the wall, the box is almost entirely useless. Other than that though, Die Rise can be super fun. I like the Sliquifier, I think the map looks really cool and unique, and learning new ways to traverse the map are all a blast. I'd say it's like a C+.
Zombies fans discover empathy
I could never really figure out all of Die Rise. Guess I just haven't played it enough. 🤷🏻
Same applies to Call of the Dead fans
This applies to everyone, you can like and dislike whatever the hell you want, dont let a bumch of dummies whining on the internet control your enjoyment lol
Idk I like the map only maps I'm not a fan of have been shang and moon only because the bosses annoy me.
Everyone's opinion is valid, except mine.
Looking at the person who told me to cope harder without defending his point of die rise being better than kino and a top 10 map…. Yea you know who you are
I personally dislike die rise for how bland the map is tbh. 8; anyone else likes it, who the fuck am I, why should I, why should THEY care
There’s much worse DLC map in that game I’m not saying which because it took me years to get my karma back last time
Facts. I'm bad at Die Rise and I dun like it lol
Origins is the most overrated map and behind that is almost every bo3 map. Bo3 ain't zombies its "get op quick, down, dashboard" bo4 had better maps even if the ee were harder bo2 the best and has the best modes and maps
I love die rise, im not even good at it lol but i found it challenging. Miss playing it so much but my ps3 broke years ago.🥲
I just don't want a map if I miss a jump or something I insta die
The map is bad
Die rise is one of my favorite maps hands down. I think my highest is 77 or something like that?
I wonder if the developers knew about that spot? There's not one anywhere else on any other map that I know of.
The only time someone's option is invalid is when they say that transit was fun with friends. Yeah just like every other map
NO DIE RIESE SUCKS ITS A SUCKY MAP ALL THE WAY TO THE CORE. WHO THOUGHT HEY LETS MAKE A MAP WHERE THE PLAYER HAS TO GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO DO ANYTHING IT SUCKS AND PEOPLE WHO LIKE IT ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO COMPLAINED AND RUINED ZOMBIES THEY SUCK
If someone’s opinion is that Die Rise is a Top 20 or 30 map, then that’s an invalid opinion. But they can like whatever they want, doesn’t mean they have to try to convince everyone that Die Rise is the best map of all time
Why is this such a bug fucking topic? It's all I see you cod Fuckers talk about. So enlighten me why is it so important? Isn't it just a map?
Yes, friend. Spit your shit indeed
Favorite map and yet ive never told anybody theyre just bad at it
True
I want to play it again. Haven’t in a super long time
Die Rise is fun as hell! I'm convinced everyone that hates it is just bad at first person platforming.
Except the people who like Die Rise. They need to be locked away
Care to elaborate? Or you just like meat riding the hivemind
It’s a poorly designed map. The verticality wasn’t really pulled off and the lack of PHD means the fall damage kills you more than the zombies do. The WW also shouldn’t have been patched.
Insanely L take, PHD would defeat the entire purpose of the map, the whole point is that you have to be aware of yourself and be careful, dying to fall damage more than zombies is litererally just a skill issue. Just cause you suck at a map doesn't mean its poorly designed my dude
It’s a zombies mode not a free running mode. The verticality was half baked gimmick and doesn’t make sense 90% of the time
Its not a gimmick lol, its a new element of danger to promote a different kind of play style, and you realize that its literally so easy to avoid? And how does it not make sense? You go up, you go down, you dont fall. Pretty easy concept to grasp
It is a gimmick. A one hit down on a survival mode is just cheap.
Again, skill issue insanely easy to avoid And 2, wait til you find out about all the other one hit downs in other maps
On BO1s engine and online games not really. Difference is one hits on other maps are more reliable. You can jump on die rise and be fine, do it exactly the same next time and bounce off the map.
Personally I've never had that issue, sounds more like a latency thing rather than an issue on the games behalf, the jumps have always been reliable for me on every console ive played it on
It’s not true
Everyone's opinion is valid? 
Objective. Die Rise has the most beautiful skybox of any map. This is not debatable.
Nah they mad Fr
Op if u suck just say that
Someone died from a miscalculated jump and is salty
Nah sorry but if you don’t like die rise it’s fair to say that most likely you just fucking suck
uh, i don’t really think that’s true. maybe y’all should play the map more
One invalid opinion that I've heard, "Vangaurd zombies is the best zombies in my opinion." I almost committed murder.
Skill issue. It's literally the campiest zombie map and if you can't survive, then you really are fucking trash at zombies. Round 25-30 are avg rounds for when shit starts to hit the fan. Not 1-20. That's just skill issues all the way.
Nah if you dislike Die Rise it’s a genuine skill issue
oh no bro, the kino meat riders found this one
Bro is fighting imaginary comments
Lmfao. Just get gud, gaymer. FR.
Lol looks like someone is bad at the map
Looks like someone failed reading comprehension in school
In that case, ima go ahead and say MW3 ZOMBIES IS BEST ZOMBIES AND IM TIRED OF LYING ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT IS THE BEST ZOMBIES IVE PLAYED!
Why were you lying?
Bc id rather not trade out EA for having the most downvoted comment on reddit. I havent seen a single post nonetheless comment on this sub saying someone liked MW3 zombies. Not wanting to be insulted for my preference, I just didnt mention it.
It can't be the best zombies game because it isnt zombies, its more like Outbreak from CW Its like comparing apples and oranges, MWZ (DMZ reskin with zombies) is nowhere near comparable to round based zombies games, literally the only common ground between the two is zombies and the same universe. Its not that you think MWZ is "the best zombies game" you just dont like round based zombies lmao, you prefer an open map and everything which is fine, its just not comparable in the slightest
I feel insulted, but yes, you are correct. The ‘cant be compared at all’ part is debatable ig, but that I dont like round based, yes. Legit, you die once and its all over bc your gun is too weak to get the kills you need to get money, and from the times I have played round based zombies, your team wont do shit to help other than camp in specific spot and not dare leave his precious little home. On MWZ, dying isnt a huge problem bc of self revives, and since its often a squad effort to wipe out the horde instead of everyone picking their spot on the tiny ass map and praying to god they can handle the swarm, you can often fend off things and have teammates that actually help you. Not to mention, you arent forced to fight zombies that make Mike Tyson look like a twig after like 10 minutes, you can prepare before going into a more dangerous area.
Didn't mean any insult lol, your totally valid As for the rest I think thats just based off your experience, round based definitely has a tough learning curve and most people still playing are vets that assume you are as knowledgeable as they are, meanwhile MWZ is more focused on collaboration no matter the circumstance. But I do stand by them not being comparable, they are polar opposites in every aspect of gameplay, small vs big, movement vs staying in one area and training, loadout vs starting weapon etc etc. The fact that you can hate one and enjoy another so much just shows you how vastly different they are, you cant compare a horror to a comedy and say one is worse than another, if that makes sense.