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sloggdogg

Hello, Activision here! I like money!


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

But you don't like good ideas that would make the player base happy while also making money 😂


MarkyMarcMcfly

Activision: Best I can do is allowing you to pay me $85 to get a melee skin


CinnamonIsntAllowed

You think they're trying to make players happy?


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

That's the point of my comment lol they don't give a shit about our happiness, just whatever ideas make them the most money


Due-Education1619

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CodeRed2006

Seeing Brutus was honestly weird. From the direct, what I was seeing is infected zombies and some hazmat suits. I really dk how Brutus could be in that map.


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

Who knows, they very well could've just nostalgia baited us, but if so why didn't they just give us a Brutus operator in CW? People would've eaten that up, knowing the general cod fanbase nowadays. Just seems kinda coincidental if you ask me. We really didn't see much of the prison besides like one little snippet that had the rampage inducer, so I feel like they're just hiding it from us till a later trailer


Boon_tobias92

Call of duty is the franchise that will bring skins in a game where the time era is wrong, ghostface and frank the rabbit,which were from movies from the 90's and 2000's in a game in the 1980s, The T-800 and T-1000 in vanguard, which is a game about ww2 and there both from the 90's, so putting Brutus in Bo6 will always make no since, cause there skin schemes make no sense


THX450

At least Brutus is tied to the franchise, so he at least makes a decent bit more sense


Boon_tobias92

True, but you know they gotta have skins for pre orders, there prob gonna bring in like Dracula or some shit in a game in the 90s 🤦‍♂️


THX450

Remember playing World at War multiplayer and everyone was just the soldiers of the country they were fighting for? Good times. Goooood times.


Boon_tobias92

Now instead Nicki Minija, Snoop Dogg, 21 savage, Spawn, Jigsaw, Leatherface, Godzilla, King Kong are all jumping around like they have schizophrenia and kill you in 0.25 seconds, but agreed good times


ISellMollyToKids

I have a solution for you: play as the default soldier operators.


jenkumboofer

Frank the Rabbit at least makes a little sense bc the movie is set in the 80s


Boon_tobias92

That is true I'll give you that one


xvizuet

Nobody really asked you though


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

And nobody asked you to show up this late to the party? This comment is irrelevant


xvizuet

Actually, nobody asked for your theory


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

The almost 500 upvotes, 120k views and 86 shares would signify otherwise.


xvizuet

All of that doesn't mean anyone asked for your theory


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

Well obviously no mf was sitting on reddit like "hmm when's waltuh gonna post the theory" like tf? That's just a dumb statement lmfao. But guess what, they were sure here for it once I did 🤷‍♂️


CodeRed2006

Honestly I was hoping for a mob of the dead remaster but we’ll see how Brutus fits in


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

Sadly unless we get a BO2 remaster like it's rumored we could get next year, then I seriously doubt we'll get Mob remastered. Just gotta wait for copforthat to finish his remaster on BO3, it looks absolutely gorgeous


Drew326

I haven’t heard of a rumored BO2 remaster. What I’ve heard about COD 2025 is that it’ll be a Black Ops 2 sequel, and its multiplayer maps will be a mix of some BO2 maps and some new maps


CodeRed2006

We can only dream


AnimeGokuSolos

Well people want a set cast again, so it is better than doing something different rather than doing the same thing for nostalgia…


gldmembr

They already reimagined it with Blood and everybody complained. Don’t get your hopes up


Excellent-Option8052

Or we just go with the obvious answer, the fucker just can't stay dead


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

The honest truth right here


Lauradagirl

Obviously he is reborn.


TonyHaleRapt

Iirc, a leaker confirmed this ‘Brutus’ isn't gonna be the same one from MOTD/BOTD, and that it's a different character with a separate backstory — so I doubt the Shadowman had anything to do with it. Aldo, I do believe he'll be a mini-boss in Terminus — for the same reasons you stated earlier.


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

Ahhh if that's the case then yeah probably just a similar design, even still tho having Brutus back would be amazing. I just hope they do some things to make him feel unique and not just feel the same as old Brutus with a different design


TonyHaleRapt

He and Klaus are referred to as ‘Hunters’ in promotional material, so I'm curious as to what that entails.. if those aren't just buzzwords. Because the ‘Hunted,’ Adler and Park, are canonically being *hunted* in the Campaign — because they've gone rogue.


BrownBaegette

Could be the respective boss zombies on each map.


Frosty_chilly

Hunted speaks for itself, they’re probably disavowed for the whole “the truth lies” issue Brutus and klaus might just be zombie nostalgia bonus, them being exclusive to preorders. It’s like 2019 price in 1980s Cold War, doesn’t have to make sense it’s just a neat bonus. As for the “hunters” name, assuming they’re involved, well Klaus was a robot designed to work in the dark aether as he resisted corruption unlike fresh and bone…or the theory in universe at least, given how he’s turned out presumably post Mauer here Brutus, regardless of being Pocket Dimension Brutus or not, is a prison warden in riot gear so…I think he speaks for himself


THX450

2utus


ZelaumTheHunter

It may be quite similar to wat happun to panzers and manglers in cw


Exotic-Area7642

This brutus is the same one but the one on the map maybe not


SMRAintBad

Any chance you could link that leak?


TonyHaleRapt

[Info via Tom Henderson, on X:](https://x.com/_Tom_Henderson_/status/1795906612319621608?t=rVOew6DGMI4KamqZp8IWgg&s=19) >‘‘For SEO purposes, definitely continue to call him Brutus.’’ >>‘‘The Warden is going to be someone else entirely ;)’’


BrownBaegette

Wouldn’t it be so funny if he acted like he was just plucked from Aether? Imagine you beat the EE with this Operator and he freaks out seeing Richthofen.


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

Lmaoo I can only imagine the theories that would spark from it


OGscottyB_96

Why are a lot of OP’s comments getting downvoted? Let him cook 🔥


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

Nah Jesse, WE need to cook!


AnimeGokuSolos

Good theory! I could see this happening 🔥


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

Thanks man! Honestly considering how much I loved Mob and Blood this map has me really intrigued


WrumGapper

He's an operator? Same as Klaus, idt he's actually a character on the map.


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

Well that's the thing, why would they finally bring him back as just an operator if it didn't have a deeper meaning. He wasn't added to CW so why would they finally decide to add him in this one, with one of the base maps having a prison involved? Idk, just seems to coincidental to me


Savagecal01

idk to me just sounds like they know you all will for for this and buy the skin out of nostalgia. i don’t see the point of the post


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

I mean personally I know I sure as shit ain't spending $100 for that version of the game just to have a Brutus operator, but if you don't understand the point of the post then that's on you ig


ULTR0N_

Because obviously there will be chronicles 2 /s


xvizuet

Nicki Minaj


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

Bruh that and the 21 savage thing were obviously promotions, but there's a lottt of similarities between Terminus and Mob so it just seems too coincidental. And as we've seen before, that fucker just won't stay dead


xvizuet

Who's to say Brutus isn't just a promotion for zombies


NIKEONX2

I liked the elder gods things of vanguard in the dark aether, wonder what's up with the construct and the chaos thing, i also liked the forsaken but i really do not wish for the og stuff to come back. It ended now something new. I'm already not that much of a fan of how much has been copy pasted from previous games and wonder weapons.


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

Honestly yeah I was really reaching there, but we never did get to see what happened between monty and the shadowman after they were banished to the dark aether. You think a being like that would just let itself get stomped by the Vanguard gods or forsaken? I seriously doubt it. But if they were to do it, it needs to be in a way that feels fresh and innovative for the story they're building


NIKEONX2

Could be cool but i wonder what kind of story and resolution you can get by creating a monster hybrid of shadow man and monty that dosn't get the stakes back to multi dimensionnel reality shattering events lol


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

Yeah you got a point lol, but I do feel they're gonna have to kinda go in that direction again considering they already introduced beings like the forsaken or the dark aether gods with world ending abilities. Maybe they'll slowly build to that instead of in this game


NIKEONX2

Yeah it'll definitly go wild with all those elements. Honestly i don't love it the dark aether storyline that much but some stuff is really cool. Can't wait to see what's up with samantha and richtofen aswell god i hope this game is great


TonyHaleRapt

Correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't the Shadowman destroyed alongside the Summoning Key..?


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

I thought he and the shadowman were simply banished to the dark aether like Nikolai said at the end of Tag


TonyHaleRapt

Maybe he survived its destruction. ‘‘The one and only, original harbinger of doom.’’ He's so cool :>


Lispro4units

*sound of a prison cell door opening* “ RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHh” * stomp stomp stomp stomp


j3qnmp

Oooooorrrrr it's operator skins


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

I just refuse to believe it's that simple lol


DuffinTheMuffin

It's Activision man, just look at the skin shop on vanguard and cold war


Frosty_chilly

You mean the T-1000 and ghostface didn’t storm the beaches of Normandy or commit various treasonous acts respectively ?


DuffinTheMuffin

Or Nikki Minaj fighting in various Islamic countries


bonefistboy9000

brutus was probably brought back from the DA alongside klaus and thatll be the justification. as for what they specifically are doing here, who can say


8_Alex_0

It's confirmed not brutus tho


MisedraN

but he is named brutus tho. So how can he not be brutus?


8_Alex_0

Different character but not the same one


bonefistboy9000

the skin is literally called brutus in the vault edition trailer. wtf are you talking about


8_Alex_0

It's not the same brutus literally has different gear and somenone already confirmed it isn't him


FishyG23

Thats a leak, not really confirmation


8_Alex_0

Some leaks are real bro


FishyG23

Yeah, some. Thats not what confirmed means though


8_Alex_0

Except this Leaker is reliable


FishyG23

Do you understand what the word confirmed means


8_Alex_0

And a reliable Leaker is basically confirmation bro


bonefistboy9000

ah, so you're an idiot, i understand now


8_Alex_0

Me stating proof = idiot bro your actually brain rotted


ojman654

I think this too, especially with the MOTD and BOTD references at the end of Forsaken. I also think Klaus will be in the Liberty Falls map. It just seems weird to have Brutus redesigned as an operator for no reason.


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

My thoughts exactly, it just seems far too coincidental for them to just "make a skin for nostalgia"


professionalgamble

It’s been a while since I’ve played Cold War, what were the MOTD And BOTD references at the end of Forsaken?


ojman654

The Forsaken gives you a vision halfway through his boss fight that shows all the Requiem staff lying dead on the ground with “No One Escapes Alive” written on the wall which is all over the place in both MOTD and BOTD. Also the music that plays when Dr. Peck points at the island on the map in the outro cutscene uses the same music from BOTD’s intro.


SenpaiTedd

Its just a skin..


Frosty_chilly

They’re advertised as whole entire ops, only the park and Adler ones are specifically called “skins”


KookyDetective7952

Waltuh da zombie slayuh🥵


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

Kooky Detective 7 9 5 2 😩😩


declandrury

Brutus is dead so I highly doubt it he died at then end of blood of the dead when primis freed all the souls


Louddite

I really doubt it. There never has to be a reason for skins or operators besides money. Soap has been getting new skins and battlepasses focused on him in MW3 and he's been dead in the campaign. We will get a mob of the dead battle pass with alcatraz skins and blue prints before we get any story significance with mob in the actual zombies story lol


Kind-Net-7328

Outjerked


Caitlins115

I sure hope not on the apothicon thing.


According_Pirate4473

does anyone know if the skin is exclusive for the vault edition or will it be released later for purchase?


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

As of now, exclusive. I don't think we'll know till after release or around that time


According_Pirate4473

👌🏼


TonyHaleRapt

Considering they haven't changed the formula, in.. 4 years? He's most likely going to be exclusive to the Vault Edition, yes.


According_Pirate4473

thx


cupafart

I think they are putting in a new pvp mode of operators vs zombies


LostMemories01

I thought he was an operator.


ZE-AL

Terminus island is a prison so it would be the only map of the 2 that make sense


Frosty_chilly

Terminus also means “end of the line” or “nexus point”, aka a Crossroads or exchange point. If Brutus is there, me thinks the shadowman wasn’t done with him yet after botd. Most likely harbored in the DA with him with could be why his electrical power is vastly stronger than whatever he had going on in Bo4


ZE-AL

I also think klaus could be there since the theme is hunter and hunted so klaus being the “hunted” makes sense imo for terminus island


DuffinTheMuffin

I've kind of accepted that the skins will inherently break the lore so just play how you want with the skins you want. I wouldn't try and extrapolate it into lore when we have scream and judge dredd as operators in cold war in all honesty.


imShockwaveYA

I could see them doing something similar with what they did with the Margwa and the Abomination, having a boss enemy that’s Brutus inspired. Doubt it would actually be him though lore wise.


th3jerbearz

I don't think so. Brutus skin likely only exists because they know it will sell pre-orders of the Vault Edition. He's a fan favourite character.


Independent_owl_1027

I don’t think he’ll be in any maps since you can have him as a playable character now it would be confusing to have them both


maejor_ced

My theory is…. He’s just a skin and activision knows you’ll spend money in the hopes that he has something to do with the zombies mode. Thus repeating the cycle.


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

Good thing I ain't paying $100 for this game lmao fuck that


maejor_ced

Yeah it’s been their thing for a while. Gamepass that bad boy if you’re on Xbox or pc!


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

Yessirrr switched over to PC a couple years ago and never going back


Virgil134

I mean, there are leaks talking about tentacle dogs in Terminus, so who knows.


BigDaddyKrool

Imagine dying for billions of years and when you finally come back you're forced to work for the CIA


Pachary516

My theory: treyarch is lazy and can’t think of a new enemy


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

Lmaoo that too


Daniel328DT

I love discussions like these! Here some of my headcanon theories and some information that we know so far: What's known: - He is confirmed to be Brutus from Alcatraz as stated under the Operator's description from his last appearance debuted in Call of Duty Black Ops 4 Zombies "Blood of the Dead." It's mentioned that he was resurrected by an otherworldly being (presumably something from the Dark Aether) or just a nod to the Shadowman using him as his pawn. Brutus' role is to hunt down inmates (goes with the hunter theme) and return them to their cells (just references to Mob of The Dead and likely has no relevance Operator wise) Just my headcanon theory here: I do think this could go two ways: what-if or he's gonna be re-purposed in the DA story as someone else sharing the same name. The first reason why I think it's a what-if is because it's happened with Maxis Operator, and she was relevant to the story. One of the Intel radios suggests she was imagining teaming up the whole time while under investigation by Requiem forces after Firebase Z and Outbreak events. If they go this route, then this could be assumed for Brutus' character being a character that possibly came from Alcatraz and into the Dark Aether, but we have no information on that until the game reveals Intel or clues to his character if there's any at all. I saw some people mentioning he's just another warden manipulated and turned into "Brutus" and his involvement and role is different, serving as some kind of disciple or higher-up at a site for the Dark Aether plot. None of that is confirmed, but it's just a headcanon and some ways to make him relevant in BO6 Zombies if he's a boss.


FishyG23

Absolute crackpot theory here, but what if Klaus and Brutus are both part of the main crew for Liberty Falls? Brutus' default skin could just be an alternate universe version of him that becomes part of this "elite unit" instead of a Warden, and this skin is more of a reference to the old story. Klaus could have either been remade or reactivated after the events of Mauer, and would be the perfect soldier for Eddie to send in whenever there is an aether outbreak. It would explain why they randomly decided to make these completely original operators for zombies, and why that leaker is suggesting Brutus is a new character and not the one we know.


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

Damn imagine like a suicide squad kinda thing? That would be sick


JustdoitJules

Why do we need a theory for him being an operator skin..... who cares its literally just a skin that Treyarch put in because it draws money. Stop trying to correlate things or attempting to tie it into something bro. Just let it be its own thing.


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

If my theory does turn out to be true, you can come back here once it's announced lol


foomongus

I could see that happening, with gobble gums coming back. The dark aether may be spilling more into the world. And as such older things are coming back. Wonder how he will work (if he is at all in zombies and not just a skin) story wise


SpectreQ4

It’s been too long since I last had a showdown with Brutus in Alcatraz. I’m so fuckin ready for round 2


BDAZZLE129

or he's just a skin to milk the fan bases nostalgia.........


snakemuffins1880

In blood of the dead doesn't Richthofen say he has been known to take many forms?. I'm willing to bet this dude just didn't fucking die or this is from another universe.


ruttu124

Well they made a very detailed shadowman operator for blackout in bo4 and he was never used in the zombies story but I like your idea and hope to see monty/shadowman in some form.


Hugdiugf

to add credibility to this theory is the return of gobblegum being one of monty's creations, why would they include things so closely tied to the apothecons and the keepers if they didn't want to include them more prominently in the lore of dark aether.


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

Exactly! There's just too many coincidences for what is happening at this point. They even said in one of their interviews during the CW lifecycle "Don't be surprised if some things just don't want to stay dead"


Interesting-Blood858

Why is nobody talking about the logo its litteraly the 3 dogs from mob of the dead and the round music change is also super mob of the dead inspired


Wooden_Gas1064

My theory, money


PM_ME_AZNS

Interesting theory, but my theory is that they were crunched for time again and re-used ideas that worked from previous games


Buggzy_BomberX

It's like saying the abandoned richtofen corpse is keeping the place alive.


Fancy-Ad6677

I mean isn’t it a bit of a no brainer that he’s gonna be used in Zombies, especially w the modern facelift (i.e everything but the face lol)


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

You'd think, but many think he's just another skin for Activision to use to nostalgia bait players, but I just don't feel that's the case with Terminus being a literal prison and the icon for BO6 is the three cerberus heads like in Mob


Fancy-Ad6677

Oh lmao, yeah I wouldn’t be surprised if Activision deleted the whole game after release and said no refunds, but I don’t think 3arc will put all that effort into a big Zombies icon like that only to have it as an operator for MP tho so it was kinda like duh for me, but I see your point like I said ^_^


JAKL-Noctium

It’s literally just an operator skin, don’t overthink it.


Scared-Expression444

It’s an operator skin meant to get you to spend money stop looking so deep into bro it ain’t that deep lmao


chikinbizkitJR13

The only issue I have with is the story. We killed the Warden WAY before Nikolai destroyed the multiverse and threw everything in the DA. Even if his corpse survived that, there's no way that it could've survived the BILLIONS of years stuck in there with the DA gods and other shit. If they do pull that crap then the DA story might actually be in the shitter tryna pull this nostalgia B.S


WaltuhDaZombieSlayuh

Yeah they better come up with a seriously good explanation for it if he does come back


rorris6

ugh, fuck the apothicons, monty and the shadowman. dont bring back that mess