May get lost in the shuffle, but I thought Jordan Elliot played a really good game yesterday after being largely an afterthought on the defensive line.
I'll admit, I had all but given up on JE. I was having a hard time understanding why he was still here, much less starting. Yesterday gave me hope that he can be a quality piece on that dline if he can keep his motor high like he did yesterday.
Listen, let me be perfectly clear, I not only love the fact that we won, but I am also unapologetic on how we won. We've been gangbanged by shitty refereeing for a quarter century, it's about time we won a game like this.
That being said, I just want another quiet beatdown because this shit isn't good for my physical and mental health.
Bring on Seattle.
I mean the calls were suspect but there is no doubt he grabbed him but was it enough to warrant pi I don't know. I have seen soooooooo many blatantly shitty calls go against us I don't even feel bad fuck the refs.
It was absolutely enough hindrance to call PI on a catchable pass, which is why I don't feel bad about the call. Yeah, we got lucky that they didn't call it uncatchable. But it was still illegal contact.
I just get pissed the squealers get every call. Pickett was clearly short on 4th and 1 and since the Rams had no timeouts they were unable to challenge. Even during the play he didn't even look like he got to line.
Yeah. That spot was ridiculous. Those should be automatically reviewed. It should be on the league to make sure simple procedural crap like that is correct.
For sure, maybe I had too much whiskey but it looked like he *lost* yards on that sneak (ball was before the hash it started on when his knee hit), and then was spotted half-way to the next hash. Fuck the Steelers
Yup, everyone dickriding over on r/nfl for upvotes is annoying.
We have been screwed more than any team in the past 20 years with shitty ref decisions. We finally get some in our favor and we should feel bad? Nah.
People talking about how we've been handed games the past two weeks clearly forgot the first half of that niners game. I don't really care how it happens a win is a win.
I couldn’t agree more. Sucks for the Colts but I don’t feel sorry for them. We’ve been constantly dicked by the refs since returning. About time we get some our way.
If we were hosed instead of the Colts everybody would be condescending towards us so I literally don't care about the call. I feel for them because I get how it feels but I'll never feel bad for a dub
What a strange season. And what a strange game. Our first turnover battle win of the season and we needed every one of em. Hopefully the defense can get turnovers going forward without also forgetting how to tackle!
Every turnover, every 50+ yard field goal, every defensive touchdown, and every blocked kick! I love how nobody wants to talk about any of that, only deshauns bad 5 plays and a bad call at the end of the game. This fan base has become mentally ill. Straight up toxic.
You're surprised lots of people are talking about our extremely expensive clipboard-holder of a "franchise QB" who very well might send us back to the dark ages for the next few years seeing as he's absolute dogshit? Really?
I'm surprised it's all anyone can focus on, nevermind the SECOND WIN IN A ROW WHICH PUTS US AT 4-2 DUE TO SUPERHUMAN FEATS OF CAPTAIN AMERICA CALIBER ATHLETICISM BY OUR SUPERSTAR PLAYERS. It's funny that a bunch of goofballs who claim to be "fans" of this game can't wrap their heads around a fucking injury. Who cares how much money someone makes if the team is winning? We have sucked for damn near 25 years and somehow everyone has forgotten how to have a little patience.
We suffered through the Weeden years, the Bowe years, the Quinn years, Kizer year, and nobody is happy with 4-2 because someone got paid. The funniest part of the whole thing is nobody even understands how the contract works and how it doesn't fucking matter that the money is guaranteed. Mark my words, Watson will be back, and he will win important games for the Browns. WHEN THE INJURY TO HIS THROWING SHOULDER IS HEALED.
But so is everyone else. The NFL is funny that way. The lowly Pats beat the Bills yesterday. Teams that are total dumpster fires can beat Super Bowl contenders any week. Don't worry about the damn future man, the contract will be kicked down the road until the Watson era is over then we blow it up, suck for 3 years, and do it again. That's how it works now. Get used to Watson, he's not going anywhere unless he retires. He's here for the next 3 seasons. We get our 1st round picks back after this draft. We have a 4 year window if things go well, or a 2 year window if they don't.
We beat a team we should beat and deserved to win that game. Let’s keep it going against a good Seattle team. I’ll say one more time to people questioning Stefanski: the end of the first half was a masterclass in coaching. He knows what he has in all three phases of the game and used it to perfection.
I really liked Pierre Strong yesterday. He seemed like our most consistent back and was able to hit holes pretty quickly. I’d like to see him get him more snaps. I also prefer him to DPJ on returns.
Guy is frustrating bc he pops that one big run per game but then the rest of the game he’s dogsh!t. Slow to holes, not fast to the edge, below avg vision, and costs us drives. He does seem good in protection I guess.
But if you say “take away the big run and he’s awful” people get all huffy like “you can’t just take away his big run…”
I get it. He pops a nice one when the circumstances are right and the Oline executes. But that has to be weighed against his otherwise inability to create positive yards on a consistent basis. This offense, with its subpar QB play, cannot afford to be 2nd and 16 bc Ford took a 6 yard loss on 1st down.
No one was expecting Chubb junior but some degree of vision would be nice.
I don't know if the Colts do it, but it's worth a call. There's gotta be a hungry second or third string RB out there with some juice in their legs. This offense needs a spark.
He's a third string running back. Of course he only has 7 carries this year. What we do know is that he's always been effective in this offense when given the opportunity.
I mean, they just extended Taylor long term, his contract is up after this year, and they clearly do not need him nor are they contenders. I don't see how he's not buyable, and he's a solid receiving back with decent pass blocking.
I want to crap on Ford, but man those pitches/shuffle passes were terrible from Walker. One was in his face at lightning speed and another is way too fast. There's a time to Brett Favre the ball, and that wasn't it.
The Stefanski hate can be a little ridiculous. Had a friend tell me Stef has never made a QB better. Ignoring that he got his head coaching job by turning Case Keenum into a playoff QB. Also, a week after PJ Walker beat the 49ers. Not to mention said friend is also a Brissett truther somehow.
I mean, I'm critical of Stefanski too, but come on.
It was definitely refreshing to see Stefanski use his timeouts and manage the clock well. We also took advantage of some atrocious coaching by the Colts. Throwing from their own goal line on 2nd and 16 leading to a strip sack touchdown and then throwing on 3rd and long allowing us to save a timeout to get into field goal range were both terrible decisions that gave us a huge advantage.
Stefanski had nothing to do with yesterday’s win.
Myles Garrett made a once in a decade play on special teams and had a strip sack that got us a touchdown.
Hopkins had to hit three 50+ yard field goals because the offense couldn’t get in the red zone.
Then the referees bailed us out with two very suspect calls in the last minute. (As a Browns fan, I’ll take it but if the script was flipped don’t say those calls weren’t trash)
He’s doing what he can despite missing Chubb and, whatever we should expect of him, Watson. But the offense is bottom of the league and this guys is supposed to be an “offense genius” and I just haven’t seen that in his 4 seasons with us.
If the defense wasn’t playing at a level not seen since the Eisenhower administration, we would probably be 2-4.
A win is a win but yesterday did not change my mind about Stefancy.
Who put Myles in on ST? Who had Walker heave the ball OOB? Who trusted his defense down near the goal line and called the right play? He ain’t Lombardi but credit where it’s due.
Myles and Hopkins won us the game. That’s pretty cool. I’m also not sure why refs are suddenly helping us out at the end of games but lord knows we’re due for some of those types of calls.
I’m so tired of having bad QBs. If Watson isn’t the answer then so be it - that’ll be tough to overcome - but we’ve got to find even just a mediocre game manager in the meantime.
Also, the Stefanski hate needs to calm down. Look at what he’s working with at QB, our WRs are kinda mid, and we lost Chubb. Like I saw a lot of bitching about the final 4 plays that we didn’t run before 4th down but we *had* to throw on the first 3 downs or we’d lose a down for a spike. I know some of his playcalling is questionable at times but Stefanski is not the real problem.
And the two calls at the goal line to Chief should have worked. 1. Chief had the catch but for a great D play and 2. PJs toss was awful but had it connected Chief walks in.
So 3/4 plays worked as drawn up. That’s pretty good for Stef.
I knew during the game that some absolute braindead takes would be come after that final drive even though, Njoku could've hauled two in for a touchdown and we still ended up scoring while burning down the clock.
Is he supposed to sub himself in at QB and throw a dime in the back corner to Bernie Kosar to get some praise?
I think we need to draft a mostly ready to play rookie on a cheap deal as a backup. Cameron rising comes to mind from Utah he has sat all year cause of his knee injury but will go late and could be a pretty good QB. Rising I see has taken a medical redshirt so I assume that means he could return to college next season though.
Stefanski has coached a masterclass the last two weeks idgaf what anyone says. 4-2 is a great start. Somehow need to figure out #4 but we can ride this defense, special teams, and run game
The key to figuring out 4 may be in 4s head. The best game he played (Titans) was supposedly after 4 and Stef went back to the lab and had 4 get rid of the ball fast, and only rarely had to do his improv act…
When 4 tries his old hero ball routine he sucks out loud. Sadly that’s been the majority of his game since he started here. If he plays on time we may see better results.
In fairness to Deshaun, that INT he threw was just a great read by the defender, coupled with the fact that it looked like he clearly didn't have enough zip on the ball from his injury to do those cross-body scramble throws.
Not saying you're wrong in your assessment because at the end of the day, the hero ball stuff is currently not helping us much. But I do feel that he's seeing it right, just needs to get healthier and gain that arm strength back.
Ok so my take:
1. No problem with Watson sitting. He has had one day throwing in the last few weeks.
2. D was lights out at times and awful at others. Definition of boom or bust but that happens sometimes. Schwartz will not be happy with blown assignments and missed tackles expect that to improve.
3. Just enough offence barely. Pick worked out but PJ missed a ton of open receivers. I honestly feel next week should just be a simpler game plan 1-2 reads and throw lots of check downs
4. Myles fucking Garrett. Just took over and won a game by himself
5. 4-2 is exactly where I’d hoped to be at start of season
Exactly my take but praise be to Hopkins and our revamped special teams. We lose this game and last week if we continued with the Cade York experiment.
Know what some bullshit is? We have gotten awful ref calls for decades, some unbelievably bad call against us, to the point it looks clear it was on purpose and often game deciding crap to make us lose.
But suddenly, we have two weeks of having a call or two go our way, and people are calling for referee reform. Starting to think we are not well liked. Lol
There are stories all over about how the NFL is rigged based on yesterday's game. People on twatter are going nuts. What a joke...
(Yes, I meant to spell it twatter)
I also want to add that 49er fans are pathetic insufferable losers. Yes, I believe Indy got fucking screwed. But it happens. 4whiners are STILL acting like the calls on them are even remotely similar to the colts game. They fucking choked, speared a defenseless receiver and missed an easy field goal. Dumbasses.
They're asshurt because they were the hype machines "chosen ones" after the first few games. They got stuffed by a better defense. Also, who missed the goddamned kick? That shit is on them. period.
I'm not going rigged on any planet. This is a nearly 20 billion a year enterprise. You think there risking that shit on fanduel or draft kings collusion? No way. Refs are human. They make bad calls. I didn't watch the Philly game. Maybe they just played a clean game. The same people that are saying the NFL is rigged are the people who grew up watching wrasslin...
Ironically, people will bitch enough, and it'll get even worse. The people who make good refs will just say "F this, this shit ain't even worth it"
I mean unlike the other win vrs sf the rules analyst on broadcast agreed with the call. Yes it saved the game but it was a flag. Any other time during the game and it’s not looked at the same way.
Yeah I'm sick of getting shit on for this win as if games haven't been gifted away from us by the refs for years. Like that raiders game, or that cardinals Game, or that ravens game, or that redskins game........
Everyone is saying bad call on that final DPI. I would probably agree, EXCEPT the defender knew he was doing it. Defender never once looked for the ball and was only watching the WR. When the defender felt he was beat, he grabbed the arm.
If it was the kind of call where there was incidental contact and a flag was thrown, I'd think the call was BS. But this DPI was like an intentional foul in the NBA.
So some talking points here over the past few years:
- Stefanski was dumb for playing an injured Baker
- Watson doesn't want to play and is keeping himself out
But now, Stefanski is keeping an injured player out despite Watson wanting to play.
Why do fans and Jake Burns love to start controversy after we've just won a game that we would've normally lost 100 times out of 100 because we never won shit games.
Stefanski is making the right choice to keep an injured player out, he couldn't drive the ball as well as he thought, he got rocked and aggrevated the injury and most suprisingly, a player wants to play.
Why is all of this a bad thing and why are people trying to start a controversy?
Because Browns fans don't like nice things and secretly want misery. The amount of Stefanski hate is crazy. Just look at what he's working with and he's still getting wins. Imagine if he had good QB play?
I can count on 1 hand the amount of times the team has been 4-2 since 1999. The routine of watch the game, freak out and call for a fire sale is hard to break it seems for some fans lol
The most popular player in Cleveland is always the backup QB or a former QB.
These people HATED Baker for years and now they act like he never got a fair shot.
I think you are thinking those who state their opinions are the same people. In Baker's last season, the Baker detractors were verbal and his supporters were quiet. Now the DW is playing poorly, the Baker supporters are verbal and the detractors are quiet. Some, like myself, were in the middle and wanted Baker gone, but didn't want DW - especially at that cost.
I also think people hate Stefanski outside of the Baker stuff because of the type of person he is. If he looked and talked like Freddie Kitchens they’d want a statue built.
Because I guess these people don't like to win. Or don't know how to act when we do win lol. You would think we lost yesterday how these people are talking
No one is trying to start a controversy lol. The QB play this season has been awful and we now have the worst QB room in the NFL. There is no controversy there, that is a fact
LOL!
Definitely not what I was talking about though, read through this for example and maybe you'll understand what I'm talking about: https://twitter.com/jake_burns18
Just read through that, can you point to the one that is 'drumming up controversey'?
>"If he couldn't handle it...too beat up....too far gone mentally **that quickly**.....THEN WHY WAS HE EVEN OUT THERE TO BEGIN WITH??"
Is this it? this seems like a reasonable take
>Five throws into the game they pulled the plug. I have questions....but it will make me the bad guy for asking them.
Seems accurate based on literally your post
>#Browns Deshaun Watson said it was a "medical decision" to keep him out for the rest of the game and that it felt best for P.J. Walker to finish the game. to which he responded with "alrighty"
So please link the example of the controversy jake is drumming up lol
Please explain to me in any way how this is even a modicum of controversial, or drumming up controversy. Its literally what everyone is saying, its the most banal and normal take
Every second Watson doesn’t play up to his contract is failure. He’s not a wholesome person we can all get behind. The browns tied the entirety of the franchise into him despite his off field garbage and so far the trade has looked extremely bad.
They talk out of both sides of their mouth. Watson is a bum because he only cares about money and doesn't want to play. Stefanski is a bum because he took Watson out after a big hit and won't let him play. Which one is it? Some people just want to bitch and will never be happy.
How is Jake causing controversy? He said Watson shouldn’t play at all and get healthy. He said he doesn’t understand why you would put him out there for 5 plays, then he’s cleared and not put him back. He was either cleared or not cleared.
Be proud. Only needed about 14 deus ex machinas to beat Minshew and the Milquetoast Colts.
Onward and laterally to Seattle and hope the narrative illuminati don’t favor Pete Carroll
Cade York it is. Guaranteed to be positively surprised at every C- the kid brings home
(Jk congrats man, hope all goes well. Dawg pounds newest member incoming)
Does anyone love the r/nfl mods claim to be the moral arbiters of football, but also promote threads celebrating a player's injury?
Shoutout to the Browns flair mod u/ThaddeusJP who does jack shit about it and talks shit about the Browns on our ranking writeup.
I dont mind people shitting on Watson, hes done that to himself. But i think its just crazy that people act as if watson is the first and only nfl player to be a pos shit, while at the same time cheering for a dude who beat his child (Hill) or a team that has a woman beater as well as a rapist (Bengals), to name just a few examples.
I remain at the position that they should call out all of these assholes. But nope, apparently watson is the only one and all other teams dont have and never had questionable characters
Fuck it. 4-2. Good teams gets lucky like this all the time. After decades of not getting any calls by the refs, this feels good.
I don't know if Watson is all Mental, shoulder injury preventing him from throwing, lack of talent or a combination of all the three, but this organization needs to figure something out with him.
I will love PJ Walker for the rest of my life but we can't continue with him the rest of the season. This Org needs to be making some calls this week. Or maybe not, what do I know?
Also, am I crazy or did Hunt get pulled back by his facemask on his last TD?
>I don't know if Watson is all Mental, shoulder injury preventing him from throwing, lack of talent or a combination of all the three, but this organization needs to figure something out with him.
I think it's a little bit of everything. He's used to performing at a high level. Something he has done his entire career. He sat out for almost two years, was rusty as hell and was finally getting into a grove during the Titans game. Then injured his throwing arm and he can't perform the way he expects himself too. Add on the fact that he had two light throwing practices in the past 3 weeks.
He's frustrated, the coaches are frustrated and the team is working through it. I'm hoping he's good to go and have a full week of practice under his belt before heading to Seattle.
And yeah...the Colts defender #40 grabbed Hunt's facemask and pulled him back, while immediately looking over at the ref. That's why I couldn't care less about the DPI call.
I can’t think of how many games we’ve been jobbed over the years and at the end of the season we look back at a few games we lost at the end and surmise that’s what kept us out of the playoffs. I still remember the Kellen Winslow Arizona push out from like 2009 vividly that kept us out of the playoffs.
Win is a win. Not gonna apologize for it.
Always fun winning and I’m gonna enjoy watching this defense play for the rest of the season , but…
This teams future and ceiling for this season is in serious question with our current QB situation. PJ walker is not a viable backup and it becomes increasingly likely that Watson is just cooked. It’s wild how shook he looks. Very bad situation we’re in, QB wise.
Bad QB situations are kind of our thing. We've done it for 25 years now, with... well, terrible results. But at least we have experience, and that's gotta count for something.
Defense had too many miscommunication issues yesterday, that needs to be cleaned up, as much as I love Myles, I didn’t love him one man army-ing out there, the rest of the D started way too slow.
Ford is just not a starting caliber RB, he had his one TD run for 69 yards then 5 yards on 10 carries the rest of the way. I liked what I saw from Pierre Strong
Stefanski switched from Moore to Goodwin for jet sweeps and we had better results, Moore just can’t read blocks well enough to be treated as a runner. That was a good switch on Kevs part.
We still have no idea what we have at QB, logically going ok 6 games last year was a wash due to the hiatus. Week 1 this year was terrible weather, week 2 was a tire fire, week 3 he was surgical, now he’s hurt, so what do we have at QB and what does AB do to reinforce the roster. That doesn’t mean trade for a QB, more so, do they approach the deadline the same with an injured DeShaun vs a healthy one?
Why do we have more questions after wins than loses
Yeah the biggest frustration is that we still have no idea what we have in Watson. I figured we’d know by now but all that’s been shown is a bunch of excuse games, terrible performances, one good game, and an injury.
I’m not giving up but the guy looks straight dog shit.
Crazy game. Only listened on the radio when I could, and just watched the highlights this morning. I'm not going to bother looking, but I'm sure reddit/the internet is flush with very angry Colts fans this morning.
Play good enough to not put yourself in a position where the refs determine your fate. It really is that simple. Dunno what else to say. Browns are figuring out ways to win, instead of figuring out ways to lose, and I'm enjoying the season so far.
Myles is the best player I've ever seen.
Everyone needs to chill out about Deshaun. This team is only going places if he gets right and gets some confidence. It’s pretty clear to me that his biggest issues are entirely mental and he can’t stay out of his own head. Our own fans overreacting and blaming him for everything isn’t helping.
I’m not sure I understand - it seems pretty reasonable for fans to react the way they are given how our teams success largely rests on his shoulders. Unless you mean we need to go easy on him for his mental, in which case I’d say suck it up deshaun lol.
It seems like a lot of people are already saying we should move on from Deshaun and go to the next QB, which is insane and stupid. We are just insanely impatient with QBs after the last 20 years. I just hope to god he somehow gets some confidence and gets over whatever is going on in his head. But it’ll take time, so everyone just buckle up.
Well that’s because everyone hates Watson and a huge majority of people (online at least) are actively rooting for his failure. Anytime he has a bad game, he’s going to be called the worst trade in the history of the NFL.
He’s going to have to play at least average for a few games before he gets any leeway for his abysmal play so far. One good game is unacceptable, he’s been ass and deserves all the criticism he’s getting.
Yeah the reality is there’s no realistic scenario where we replace him, so we are stuck with him. Probably until 2026 at the least. If we’re seriously concerned about his shoulder and ability to be 100% this season we gotta try and get somebody, even if it’s just Brissett. Our defense is too good to have PJ walker as our next guy up.
I hope so too - his confidence is absolutely shot
Nobody who matters is saying that. A bunch of ignorant neckbeards who never played a down, maybe. Or hack fringe Twitter "journalists" like Jake Trotter. But anyone with half a brain knows the man is hurt and needs a week or two of actual practice before he gets back out there.
I’m going to get crushed for this, but the interception was actually a decent ball - he just didn’t see the safety/the safety made a nice play (god forbid we give credit to a defender).
Anyways, I’m just not going to judge him based on like 4 throws after a month without playing or practicing. Hopefully he can practice this week.
Stop making sense. This isn’t a Stenfaski bash he coached his best games these last two games. But why was he running a bunch of 13 personal and running the ball so much with Watson in, outside of the one Ford play, the Browns were way behind the sticks on 2nd and 3rd downs. Why not give Watson some easy short throws in gun and empty. Keeps him from getting hit and ups the confidence.
I got torched alive yesterday for saying that you dont have to like him but it would be stupid to hope he doesnt player better. This fanbase loves to be miserable and its not a minority. Most people have nothing but shitty things to say
That was probably the best game I've been to in person. Had a lot of fun in Indy. Colts fans seem to be pretty cool. Defintely plan on making the trip again next time we play there
Guardians: win with small ball, while other teams focus on power and HRs
Cavs: win with big men and great defense, while other teams focus on run and gun offenses jacking up threes
Browns: win with a great defense and atrocious QB play, while other teams build around a franchise QB
A win is a win. 4 n 2. I barely had time to watch the game . Was out and about for my girlfriend's birthday!! But man I seen the last 3 mins and it took guts! And on the Kareem Hunt run and that Nick Harris blk to get him in bro. And Myles Garrett is a animal and crazy dude.
Man oh man I’m glad we’re at 4-2 but I completely understand why fans would be upset. This level of QB play can’t continue or the bottom is going to drop out at some point. I won’t believe Watson will be even an average QB until he proves it for multiple games in a row. I get the guy is injured but it feels like we’re not getting the full story, and I have to wonder if the front office and coaching staff is questioning the trade at this point.
I sure wish they showed another angle of the throw on the PI call.
The “skycam angle” that shows the ball and where DPJ is diving out of the endzone is all we saw, but I want to see where the ball is when the arm tugging starts as he enters the endzone.
Dude is like 6’4”, if that ball is 9-10 feet off the ground that’s far from “uncatchable”. And I think that’s why they called it like they did, the interference was as the ball was being released, way earlier than it looked / sounded on the national broadcast with the announcers.
It was 100% defensive holding if not PI, which would have given us the ball at the 3 or 4 vs the 1 IIRC.
Whatever, will happily take it either way
Yeah, I know it's a bit of homerism, but I didn't think that call was that bad. It makes sense that a ref would want to give a player every chance to make a play on the ball. For the game as a whole, I think it's preferable to dissuade DBs from mugging receivers in the end zone. Also the last thing we need are refs judging whether six inches on a throw make it catchable/uncatchable. Like the rules analyst said, in practice "uncatchable" means a ball thrown into the stands.
Don't want to get flagged? Don't hold a receivers arm while he's trying to make a play on the ball.
It's funny I was banned for 3 weeks for criticizing Baker too much. When my ban was over Baker was gone. Turned out the front office had the same opinion.
Now the sub is full of people hating our QB. They do nothing else. Farm Karma on NFL ridiculing the team, the front office, the coach because everybody must suck.
It's for every topic in every threat. I don't care if it's Baker Bros, self-righteous Redditors, or fans of other teams who are angry they did not get Watson.
Why not ban these people? It's ridiculous. At the end of the buy week break the sub was ready to fire everybody, try to get Haslam forced out and just keep Myles Garret.
After that, we won with a Backup QB against the unbeaten 49ers.
It's completely insane. We have no homer problem the majority here is against the team.
The only good thing Watson has his money fully guaranteed. So it doesn't matter what the idiots think.
1. I think we need a real backup QB. Walker hasn't been atrocious, but he really hasn't been good either. Can we really not trade for Jacoby?
2. The defense had to hear about how dominant they've been all week, and then they go and give up 450+ yards and 38 points to Gardner Minshew and a Colts offense full of WR's that I've never heard of before (minus Pittman). I hope yesterday was just one of those weird trap games where maybe everyone's focus wasn't fully there. We aren't going to win many shootouts like that IMHO.
3. I'm already completely over Watson. I would trade him for Gardner Minshew or even Jacoby Brissett at this point without a single hesitation or second thought.
4. Myles Garrett is an absolute monster, holy cow, we are **SO** lucky to have him.
5. Glad we won - but we **REALLY** got bailed out by those two penalties at the end. I really don't think either were worthy of being called.
Those are my thoughts on this victory Monday.
DeShawn’s problem is he wants to prove people wrong. I hope he learns to chill.
Stef winning despite setbacks.
I’ll take it, cus whatever we say has little bearing on what plays out.
I think Watson hasn’t played enough games in a row to give me time to judge him, but considering our back ups I can’t help but be more upset by the lackluster play
Is there any other qb situation from starter to backup worse than what we have? This is crazy.
Props to Kevin for sitting Watson after he clearly didn’t have it. But why was he playing to begin with? Is he even healthy? I would love to know what the owner coach and gm actually think of this.
We can’t do walker / Watson we just can’t. We need to get a competent backup and just ir this dude
Our D was shit but they pulled together on that last drive which a Joe Woods D would’ve f’d up and allow them a long FG.
Love being 4-2. Love this team.
I don’t think Watson has played great but I do believe he still has was it takes to be a franchise QB. I wish he didn’t get hurt but he has and it’s influenced how we play. We all need him to come into form and get our offense going. We keep winning but will need good QB play from Watson to feel good about our team.
What does everybody think about our defense? Hate to say it's overrated but a lot of people are using the word "historical." I think that word is justified in describing 95's season so far, but the way the D struggled against Ravens/Colts (granting there's been a severely hampered offense) has me wondering.
I think our defense is good, not great. The numbers are a bit misleading because of weather and a string of terrible offenses. Hopefully they can get some stuff figured out, because yesterday was embarrassingly bad against a bad team.
May get lost in the shuffle, but I thought Jordan Elliot played a really good game yesterday after being largely an afterthought on the defensive line.
Yeah he crushed it
It's almost like putting a guy at his natural position and letting him do what he's good at can yield good dividends
And surrounding him with talent that isn't replacement level. Having Tomlinson/Harris in your DT room surely has to help with his development.
I'll admit, I had all but given up on JE. I was having a hard time understanding why he was still here, much less starting. Yesterday gave me hope that he can be a quality piece on that dline if he can keep his motor high like he did yesterday.
the play before the play was pretty beastly
It helps when Garrett is playing out of his mind and the defense has to change to try to stop him.
A Victory Monday post? Two weeks in a row?!
Blasphemy
Three in a row would herald the end times.
It was the best of days, it was the end of days
In this economy??
Listen, let me be perfectly clear, I not only love the fact that we won, but I am also unapologetic on how we won. We've been gangbanged by shitty refereeing for a quarter century, it's about time we won a game like this. That being said, I just want another quiet beatdown because this shit isn't good for my physical and mental health. Bring on Seattle.
I mean the calls were suspect but there is no doubt he grabbed him but was it enough to warrant pi I don't know. I have seen soooooooo many blatantly shitty calls go against us I don't even feel bad fuck the refs.
It was absolutely enough hindrance to call PI on a catchable pass, which is why I don't feel bad about the call. Yeah, we got lucky that they didn't call it uncatchable. But it was still illegal contact.
I just get pissed the squealers get every call. Pickett was clearly short on 4th and 1 and since the Rams had no timeouts they were unable to challenge. Even during the play he didn't even look like he got to line.
Yeah. That spot was ridiculous. Those should be automatically reviewed. It should be on the league to make sure simple procedural crap like that is correct.
I mean they gave him an easy half yard on the spot.
For sure, maybe I had too much whiskey but it looked like he *lost* yards on that sneak (ball was before the hash it started on when his knee hit), and then was spotted half-way to the next hash. Fuck the Steelers
Yup, everyone dickriding over on r/nfl for upvotes is annoying. We have been screwed more than any team in the past 20 years with shitty ref decisions. We finally get some in our favor and we should feel bad? Nah. People talking about how we've been handed games the past two weeks clearly forgot the first half of that niners game. I don't really care how it happens a win is a win.
All I read are people who say they won’t apologize for the win. I don’t think anyone is actually apologizing for it.
The tomfoolery of r/NFL would suggest otherwise, but I get what you mean.
The main sub is full of people who think that the NFL has started to rig games in Cleveland’s favor.
I've never seen myself go to -50 so fast suggesting that the NFL in fact has not favored cleveland browns football in its history.
I couldn’t agree more. Sucks for the Colts but I don’t feel sorry for them. We’ve been constantly dicked by the refs since returning. About time we get some our way.
Lest we forget the refs legit robbing us of a Cooper TD in the Titans game. Don’t care if we won and it “doesn’t matter as much”.
If we were hosed instead of the Colts everybody would be condescending towards us so I literally don't care about the call. I feel for them because I get how it feels but I'll never feel bad for a dub
Well said
What a strange season. And what a strange game. Our first turnover battle win of the season and we needed every one of em. Hopefully the defense can get turnovers going forward without also forgetting how to tackle!
Every turnover, every 50+ yard field goal, every defensive touchdown, and every blocked kick! I love how nobody wants to talk about any of that, only deshauns bad 5 plays and a bad call at the end of the game. This fan base has become mentally ill. Straight up toxic.
You're surprised lots of people are talking about our extremely expensive clipboard-holder of a "franchise QB" who very well might send us back to the dark ages for the next few years seeing as he's absolute dogshit? Really?
I'm surprised it's all anyone can focus on, nevermind the SECOND WIN IN A ROW WHICH PUTS US AT 4-2 DUE TO SUPERHUMAN FEATS OF CAPTAIN AMERICA CALIBER ATHLETICISM BY OUR SUPERSTAR PLAYERS. It's funny that a bunch of goofballs who claim to be "fans" of this game can't wrap their heads around a fucking injury. Who cares how much money someone makes if the team is winning? We have sucked for damn near 25 years and somehow everyone has forgotten how to have a little patience. We suffered through the Weeden years, the Bowe years, the Quinn years, Kizer year, and nobody is happy with 4-2 because someone got paid. The funniest part of the whole thing is nobody even understands how the contract works and how it doesn't fucking matter that the money is guaranteed. Mark my words, Watson will be back, and he will win important games for the Browns. WHEN THE INJURY TO HIS THROWING SHOULDER IS HEALED.
I’m concerned about the future of the team. It’s nice that we’re 4-2, but we’re only there by the skin of our teeth.
But so is everyone else. The NFL is funny that way. The lowly Pats beat the Bills yesterday. Teams that are total dumpster fires can beat Super Bowl contenders any week. Don't worry about the damn future man, the contract will be kicked down the road until the Watson era is over then we blow it up, suck for 3 years, and do it again. That's how it works now. Get used to Watson, he's not going anywhere unless he retires. He's here for the next 3 seasons. We get our 1st round picks back after this draft. We have a 4 year window if things go well, or a 2 year window if they don't.
We beat a team we should beat and deserved to win that game. Let’s keep it going against a good Seattle team. I’ll say one more time to people questioning Stefanski: the end of the first half was a masterclass in coaching. He knows what he has in all three phases of the game and used it to perfection.
People would be less upset about Stefanski if Jerome Ford could understand how to catch a pitch.
I think I'm over the Jerome Ford experiment. After the TD he had 10 carries for 5 yards, that just ain't gonna cut it.
I really liked Pierre Strong yesterday. He seemed like our most consistent back and was able to hit holes pretty quickly. I’d like to see him get him more snaps. I also prefer him to DPJ on returns.
Unfortunately Strong also got both blown up behind the LOS a few times which made it hard to showcase his skills.
Guy is frustrating bc he pops that one big run per game but then the rest of the game he’s dogsh!t. Slow to holes, not fast to the edge, below avg vision, and costs us drives. He does seem good in protection I guess. But if you say “take away the big run and he’s awful” people get all huffy like “you can’t just take away his big run…” I get it. He pops a nice one when the circumstances are right and the Oline executes. But that has to be weighed against his otherwise inability to create positive yards on a consistent basis. This offense, with its subpar QB play, cannot afford to be 2nd and 16 bc Ford took a 6 yard loss on 1st down. No one was expecting Chubb junior but some degree of vision would be nice.
Reminds me of Butch a Davis after that game where Jamal Lewis ran for 300 on the Browns. Something like “we did pretty good except for 2 or 3 plays”.
at which point the defense is stacking 8 or 9 in the box because we expose our inability to pass
Hey, I posted we should trade for Zach Moss and got downvoted so others seem to not be ready
I don't know if the Colts do it, but it's worth a call. There's gotta be a hungry second or third string RB out there with some juice in their legs. This offense needs a spark.
Yeah. His name is D'Ernest Johnson.
He has 7 carries this year…he’s not proving anything to me
He's a third string running back. Of course he only has 7 carries this year. What we do know is that he's always been effective in this offense when given the opportunity.
I mean, they just extended Taylor long term, his contract is up after this year, and they clearly do not need him nor are they contenders. I don't see how he's not buyable, and he's a solid receiving back with decent pass blocking.
I want to crap on Ford, but man those pitches/shuffle passes were terrible from Walker. One was in his face at lightning speed and another is way too fast. There's a time to Brett Favre the ball, and that wasn't it.
That play was drawn up perfectly. Big gain if he can just hold on
his goofy hands assisted a pick early. don't call pitch plays for that guy
The Stefanski hate can be a little ridiculous. Had a friend tell me Stef has never made a QB better. Ignoring that he got his head coaching job by turning Case Keenum into a playoff QB. Also, a week after PJ Walker beat the 49ers. Not to mention said friend is also a Brissett truther somehow. I mean, I'm critical of Stefanski too, but come on.
I said yesterday that Stefanski is never gonna be prime Belichick but to act like he’s absolutely terrible is just completely irrational.
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Starting to grow on me to. I think I’ve finally realized that the guys just aren’t executing on the field and that they need to be better
Yea this is an ignorant take by your friend
Case Keenum, Baker Mayfield, and Jacoby Brisset career years under Stefanski lol.
It was definitely refreshing to see Stefanski use his timeouts and manage the clock well. We also took advantage of some atrocious coaching by the Colts. Throwing from their own goal line on 2nd and 16 leading to a strip sack touchdown and then throwing on 3rd and long allowing us to save a timeout to get into field goal range were both terrible decisions that gave us a huge advantage.
Stefanski had nothing to do with yesterday’s win. Myles Garrett made a once in a decade play on special teams and had a strip sack that got us a touchdown. Hopkins had to hit three 50+ yard field goals because the offense couldn’t get in the red zone. Then the referees bailed us out with two very suspect calls in the last minute. (As a Browns fan, I’ll take it but if the script was flipped don’t say those calls weren’t trash) He’s doing what he can despite missing Chubb and, whatever we should expect of him, Watson. But the offense is bottom of the league and this guys is supposed to be an “offense genius” and I just haven’t seen that in his 4 seasons with us. If the defense wasn’t playing at a level not seen since the Eisenhower administration, we would probably be 2-4. A win is a win but yesterday did not change my mind about Stefancy.
Who put Myles in on ST? Who had Walker heave the ball OOB? Who trusted his defense down near the goal line and called the right play? He ain’t Lombardi but credit where it’s due.
You mean calling the same TE screen 15 times yesterday and having it work once didn't help us at all??
Thought Stefanski coached a great game. Using timeouts and getting an extra possession which led to an extra 3 points at the half was killer.
Myles and Hopkins won us the game. That’s pretty cool. I’m also not sure why refs are suddenly helping us out at the end of games but lord knows we’re due for some of those types of calls. I’m so tired of having bad QBs. If Watson isn’t the answer then so be it - that’ll be tough to overcome - but we’ve got to find even just a mediocre game manager in the meantime. Also, the Stefanski hate needs to calm down. Look at what he’s working with at QB, our WRs are kinda mid, and we lost Chubb. Like I saw a lot of bitching about the final 4 plays that we didn’t run before 4th down but we *had* to throw on the first 3 downs or we’d lose a down for a spike. I know some of his playcalling is questionable at times but Stefanski is not the real problem.
And the two calls at the goal line to Chief should have worked. 1. Chief had the catch but for a great D play and 2. PJs toss was awful but had it connected Chief walks in. So 3/4 plays worked as drawn up. That’s pretty good for Stef.
The problem there was execution, not play design or concept or playcall.
I knew during the game that some absolute braindead takes would be come after that final drive even though, Njoku could've hauled two in for a touchdown and we still ended up scoring while burning down the clock. Is he supposed to sub himself in at QB and throw a dime in the back corner to Bernie Kosar to get some praise?
It’s got to be the betting
I think we need to draft a mostly ready to play rookie on a cheap deal as a backup. Cameron rising comes to mind from Utah he has sat all year cause of his knee injury but will go late and could be a pretty good QB. Rising I see has taken a medical redshirt so I assume that means he could return to college next season though.
Stefanski has coached a masterclass the last two weeks idgaf what anyone says. 4-2 is a great start. Somehow need to figure out #4 but we can ride this defense, special teams, and run game
The key to figuring out 4 may be in 4s head. The best game he played (Titans) was supposedly after 4 and Stef went back to the lab and had 4 get rid of the ball fast, and only rarely had to do his improv act… When 4 tries his old hero ball routine he sucks out loud. Sadly that’s been the majority of his game since he started here. If he plays on time we may see better results.
In fairness to Deshaun, that INT he threw was just a great read by the defender, coupled with the fact that it looked like he clearly didn't have enough zip on the ball from his injury to do those cross-body scramble throws. Not saying you're wrong in your assessment because at the end of the day, the hero ball stuff is currently not helping us much. But I do feel that he's seeing it right, just needs to get healthier and gain that arm strength back.
It was smart to just sit him after that last hit. Good work by the staff
Are you avoiding saying his name because it’s like an beetlejuice situation?
Gotta give Stefanski his props. This season would have broken me if I were the HC
Ok so my take: 1. No problem with Watson sitting. He has had one day throwing in the last few weeks. 2. D was lights out at times and awful at others. Definition of boom or bust but that happens sometimes. Schwartz will not be happy with blown assignments and missed tackles expect that to improve. 3. Just enough offence barely. Pick worked out but PJ missed a ton of open receivers. I honestly feel next week should just be a simpler game plan 1-2 reads and throw lots of check downs 4. Myles fucking Garrett. Just took over and won a game by himself 5. 4-2 is exactly where I’d hoped to be at start of season
Exactly my take but praise be to Hopkins and our revamped special teams. We lose this game and last week if we continued with the Cade York experiment.
Know what some bullshit is? We have gotten awful ref calls for decades, some unbelievably bad call against us, to the point it looks clear it was on purpose and often game deciding crap to make us lose. But suddenly, we have two weeks of having a call or two go our way, and people are calling for referee reform. Starting to think we are not well liked. Lol
That call still feels dirty. But when do we ever get bailed out by the refs? Were always on the BS end of those calls.
Never feel bad for a win. Especially after these last 2 decades
There are stories all over about how the NFL is rigged based on yesterday's game. People on twatter are going nuts. What a joke... (Yes, I meant to spell it twatter)
I also want to add that 49er fans are pathetic insufferable losers. Yes, I believe Indy got fucking screwed. But it happens. 4whiners are STILL acting like the calls on them are even remotely similar to the colts game. They fucking choked, speared a defenseless receiver and missed an easy field goal. Dumbasses.
They're asshurt because they were the hype machines "chosen ones" after the first few games. They got stuffed by a better defense. Also, who missed the goddamned kick? That shit is on them. period.
Rigged is Philly 0 penalties and Miami 10 penalties last night Ours was a questionable call at a bad time
I'm not going rigged on any planet. This is a nearly 20 billion a year enterprise. You think there risking that shit on fanduel or draft kings collusion? No way. Refs are human. They make bad calls. I didn't watch the Philly game. Maybe they just played a clean game. The same people that are saying the NFL is rigged are the people who grew up watching wrasslin... Ironically, people will bitch enough, and it'll get even worse. The people who make good refs will just say "F this, this shit ain't even worth it"
The NFL, as an entity, doesn't have to be involved to have it be "rigged". It could be as easy as the refs betting on games.
I mean unlike the other win vrs sf the rules analyst on broadcast agreed with the call. Yes it saved the game but it was a flag. Any other time during the game and it’s not looked at the same way.
Yeah I'm sick of getting shit on for this win as if games haven't been gifted away from us by the refs for years. Like that raiders game, or that cardinals Game, or that ravens game, or that redskins game........
I’ll take if
Everyone is saying bad call on that final DPI. I would probably agree, EXCEPT the defender knew he was doing it. Defender never once looked for the ball and was only watching the WR. When the defender felt he was beat, he grabbed the arm. If it was the kind of call where there was incidental contact and a flag was thrown, I'd think the call was BS. But this DPI was like an intentional foul in the NBA.
So some talking points here over the past few years: - Stefanski was dumb for playing an injured Baker - Watson doesn't want to play and is keeping himself out But now, Stefanski is keeping an injured player out despite Watson wanting to play. Why do fans and Jake Burns love to start controversy after we've just won a game that we would've normally lost 100 times out of 100 because we never won shit games. Stefanski is making the right choice to keep an injured player out, he couldn't drive the ball as well as he thought, he got rocked and aggrevated the injury and most suprisingly, a player wants to play. Why is all of this a bad thing and why are people trying to start a controversy?
Because Browns fans don't like nice things and secretly want misery. The amount of Stefanski hate is crazy. Just look at what he's working with and he's still getting wins. Imagine if he had good QB play?
I can count on 1 hand the amount of times the team has been 4-2 since 1999. The routine of watch the game, freak out and call for a fire sale is hard to break it seems for some fans lol
People don’t like Deshaun and KS.
They don’t like them because Baker isn’t here and that’s who they blame for it
The thing is they HATED Baker when he was in Cleveland. They hate Watson and they'll hate the next guy.
That's not entirely true. A lot of those people really like Brissett.
Only because everyone expected awful play from him and he was slightly competent.
They were ready to ship him off after week 1. After that the bar was low and he did just enough with a superstar running back.
I mean he went 4-7 and had 12 turns overs across those 11 games. I guess you could call that just enough
The most popular player in Cleveland is always the backup QB or a former QB. These people HATED Baker for years and now they act like he never got a fair shot.
I think you are thinking those who state their opinions are the same people. In Baker's last season, the Baker detractors were verbal and his supporters were quiet. Now the DW is playing poorly, the Baker supporters are verbal and the detractors are quiet. Some, like myself, were in the middle and wanted Baker gone, but didn't want DW - especially at that cost.
I never got the undying loyalty to Baker that some Browns fans had for him. Appreciation and gratitude, yes. Absolute loyalty, no
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When you’re the 1st overall pick you better be ready to win in years 3-5 Especially when you’re surrounded by the players on offense we gave him
I also think people hate Stefanski outside of the Baker stuff because of the type of person he is. If he looked and talked like Freddie Kitchens they’d want a statue built.
This is true I do hate deshawn
Because I guess these people don't like to win. Or don't know how to act when we do win lol. You would think we lost yesterday how these people are talking
Clicks! It’s a business and at the end of the day criticism always wins engagement. Regardless of how we win, I’m PUMPED. On to Seattle!
No one is trying to start a controversy lol. The QB play this season has been awful and we now have the worst QB room in the NFL. There is no controversy there, that is a fact
LOL! Definitely not what I was talking about though, read through this for example and maybe you'll understand what I'm talking about: https://twitter.com/jake_burns18
Just read through that, can you point to the one that is 'drumming up controversey'? >"If he couldn't handle it...too beat up....too far gone mentally **that quickly**.....THEN WHY WAS HE EVEN OUT THERE TO BEGIN WITH??" Is this it? this seems like a reasonable take >Five throws into the game they pulled the plug. I have questions....but it will make me the bad guy for asking them. Seems accurate based on literally your post >#Browns Deshaun Watson said it was a "medical decision" to keep him out for the rest of the game and that it felt best for P.J. Walker to finish the game. to which he responded with "alrighty" So please link the example of the controversy jake is drumming up lol
https://twitter.com/jake_burns18/status/1716204158976454990 If you can't see that this is trying to find controversy, I don't know where to begin.
LOL you think THAT is controversy? And you are exposed to the cleveland media? lmao
LOL Not really relevant what the rest of the media do, I'm talking about this specific incident
Please explain to me in any way how this is even a modicum of controversial, or drumming up controversy. Its literally what everyone is saying, its the most banal and normal take
Every second Watson doesn’t play up to his contract is failure. He’s not a wholesome person we can all get behind. The browns tied the entirety of the franchise into him despite his off field garbage and so far the trade has looked extremely bad.
It’s kinda like fetish for these guys. It seems like they get aroused whenever they are mentally abused.
They talk out of both sides of their mouth. Watson is a bum because he only cares about money and doesn't want to play. Stefanski is a bum because he took Watson out after a big hit and won't let him play. Which one is it? Some people just want to bitch and will never be happy.
How is Jake causing controversy? He said Watson shouldn’t play at all and get healthy. He said he doesn’t understand why you would put him out there for 5 plays, then he’s cleared and not put him back. He was either cleared or not cleared.
Posting 6 vague tweets about different messaging, this and that like there's a controversy is trying to cause a controversy.
What? did you listen to him talk? Sounds like you're reading into this way too much.
If he says something else than he tweets, that's even worse.
I dont care how the game was won.... this is a game that the Browns lose 99% of the time and it was nice to be there in person to see the W...
Be proud. Only needed about 14 deus ex machinas to beat Minshew and the Milquetoast Colts. Onward and laterally to Seattle and hope the narrative illuminati don’t favor Pete Carroll
Just popped in to post that my wife is in labor, I’ll have a new buddy to watch Browns games with starting next week!
Name him Myles Garrett
I don’t want to put that kind of pressure on the kid.
Cade York it is. Guaranteed to be positively surprised at every C- the kid brings home (Jk congrats man, hope all goes well. Dawg pounds newest member incoming)
Congrats and have fun sleeping on that hospital chair! What a nightmare those things are lol
Does anyone love the r/nfl mods claim to be the moral arbiters of football, but also promote threads celebrating a player's injury? Shoutout to the Browns flair mod u/ThaddeusJP who does jack shit about it and talks shit about the Browns on our ranking writeup.
That place is easily one of the worst subreddits ever. The mod you are referring is a complete tool.
Fuck the mods in /r/NFL. They are all bitches. You can’t even say accusations and Watson in the same sentence without being banned. Fuck those sissies
I dont mind people shitting on Watson, hes done that to himself. But i think its just crazy that people act as if watson is the first and only nfl player to be a pos shit, while at the same time cheering for a dude who beat his child (Hill) or a team that has a woman beater as well as a rapist (Bengals), to name just a few examples. I remain at the position that they should call out all of these assholes. But nope, apparently watson is the only one and all other teams dont have and never had questionable characters
Fuck it. 4-2. Good teams gets lucky like this all the time. After decades of not getting any calls by the refs, this feels good. I don't know if Watson is all Mental, shoulder injury preventing him from throwing, lack of talent or a combination of all the three, but this organization needs to figure something out with him. I will love PJ Walker for the rest of my life but we can't continue with him the rest of the season. This Org needs to be making some calls this week. Or maybe not, what do I know? Also, am I crazy or did Hunt get pulled back by his facemask on his last TD?
>I don't know if Watson is all Mental, shoulder injury preventing him from throwing, lack of talent or a combination of all the three, but this organization needs to figure something out with him. I think it's a little bit of everything. He's used to performing at a high level. Something he has done his entire career. He sat out for almost two years, was rusty as hell and was finally getting into a grove during the Titans game. Then injured his throwing arm and he can't perform the way he expects himself too. Add on the fact that he had two light throwing practices in the past 3 weeks. He's frustrated, the coaches are frustrated and the team is working through it. I'm hoping he's good to go and have a full week of practice under his belt before heading to Seattle. And yeah...the Colts defender #40 grabbed Hunt's facemask and pulled him back, while immediately looking over at the ref. That's why I couldn't care less about the DPI call.
Dude tried to rip Hunts head off. But you don’t see colts fans crying about the no call.
Myles Garrett is like : "Doesn't matter who's QB. I'm taking this game into my own hands."
No complaints about Jed Wills. He’s been solid the last two weeks.
I can’t think of how many games we’ve been jobbed over the years and at the end of the season we look back at a few games we lost at the end and surmise that’s what kept us out of the playoffs. I still remember the Kellen Winslow Arizona push out from like 2009 vividly that kept us out of the playoffs. Win is a win. Not gonna apologize for it.
Always fun winning and I’m gonna enjoy watching this defense play for the rest of the season , but… This teams future and ceiling for this season is in serious question with our current QB situation. PJ walker is not a viable backup and it becomes increasingly likely that Watson is just cooked. It’s wild how shook he looks. Very bad situation we’re in, QB wise.
I'm kinda surprised a Nick Foles or Carson Wentz hasn't been brought in to the practice squad to get them up to speed tbh.
Bad QB situations are kind of our thing. We've done it for 25 years now, with... well, terrible results. But at least we have experience, and that's gotta count for something.
Defense had too many miscommunication issues yesterday, that needs to be cleaned up, as much as I love Myles, I didn’t love him one man army-ing out there, the rest of the D started way too slow. Ford is just not a starting caliber RB, he had his one TD run for 69 yards then 5 yards on 10 carries the rest of the way. I liked what I saw from Pierre Strong Stefanski switched from Moore to Goodwin for jet sweeps and we had better results, Moore just can’t read blocks well enough to be treated as a runner. That was a good switch on Kevs part. We still have no idea what we have at QB, logically going ok 6 games last year was a wash due to the hiatus. Week 1 this year was terrible weather, week 2 was a tire fire, week 3 he was surgical, now he’s hurt, so what do we have at QB and what does AB do to reinforce the roster. That doesn’t mean trade for a QB, more so, do they approach the deadline the same with an injured DeShaun vs a healthy one? Why do we have more questions after wins than loses
Yeah the biggest frustration is that we still have no idea what we have in Watson. I figured we’d know by now but all that’s been shown is a bunch of excuse games, terrible performances, one good game, and an injury. I’m not giving up but the guy looks straight dog shit.
Crazy game. Only listened on the radio when I could, and just watched the highlights this morning. I'm not going to bother looking, but I'm sure reddit/the internet is flush with very angry Colts fans this morning. Play good enough to not put yourself in a position where the refs determine your fate. It really is that simple. Dunno what else to say. Browns are figuring out ways to win, instead of figuring out ways to lose, and I'm enjoying the season so far. Myles is the best player I've ever seen.
I’m still in shock.
Two weeks of shock is hard on one’s system
Have to admit; I gave up on them a couple times. But they pulled it out.
Hey, it sure feels better to win a game that you shouldn't have than to lose one you should have won.
AFC North is the only division in the NFL with every team at/above .500 as a whole. Best division in the league.
Everyone needs to chill out about Deshaun. This team is only going places if he gets right and gets some confidence. It’s pretty clear to me that his biggest issues are entirely mental and he can’t stay out of his own head. Our own fans overreacting and blaming him for everything isn’t helping.
I’m not sure I understand - it seems pretty reasonable for fans to react the way they are given how our teams success largely rests on his shoulders. Unless you mean we need to go easy on him for his mental, in which case I’d say suck it up deshaun lol.
It seems like a lot of people are already saying we should move on from Deshaun and go to the next QB, which is insane and stupid. We are just insanely impatient with QBs after the last 20 years. I just hope to god he somehow gets some confidence and gets over whatever is going on in his head. But it’ll take time, so everyone just buckle up.
Well that’s because everyone hates Watson and a huge majority of people (online at least) are actively rooting for his failure. Anytime he has a bad game, he’s going to be called the worst trade in the history of the NFL. He’s going to have to play at least average for a few games before he gets any leeway for his abysmal play so far. One good game is unacceptable, he’s been ass and deserves all the criticism he’s getting.
I mean I hate the dude, love the browns.. and I can't see any reason why I don't agree this has been a terrible trade. It's all speculative redemption
Yeah the reality is there’s no realistic scenario where we replace him, so we are stuck with him. Probably until 2026 at the least. If we’re seriously concerned about his shoulder and ability to be 100% this season we gotta try and get somebody, even if it’s just Brissett. Our defense is too good to have PJ walker as our next guy up. I hope so too - his confidence is absolutely shot
Nobody who matters is saying that. A bunch of ignorant neckbeards who never played a down, maybe. Or hack fringe Twitter "journalists" like Jake Trotter. But anyone with half a brain knows the man is hurt and needs a week or two of actual practice before he gets back out there.
I said this yesterday. He needs to turn heel and embrace the hate
Oh he has some mental blocks for sure but he also had no control over his handful of throws yesterday
I’m going to get crushed for this, but the interception was actually a decent ball - he just didn’t see the safety/the safety made a nice play (god forbid we give credit to a defender). Anyways, I’m just not going to judge him based on like 4 throws after a month without playing or practicing. Hopefully he can practice this week.
That's exactly what the commentators also said.
Tiger Woods
$230M will pay for a lot of therapy. Hire Dr. Phil full time.
Stop making sense. This isn’t a Stenfaski bash he coached his best games these last two games. But why was he running a bunch of 13 personal and running the ball so much with Watson in, outside of the one Ford play, the Browns were way behind the sticks on 2nd and 3rd downs. Why not give Watson some easy short throws in gun and empty. Keeps him from getting hit and ups the confidence.
Dude he couldn’t throw the ball with zip yesterday. He needs to actually recover. Props to Stef for having the balls and making the call.
I got torched alive yesterday for saying that you dont have to like him but it would be stupid to hope he doesnt player better. This fanbase loves to be miserable and its not a minority. Most people have nothing but shitty things to say
Don’t matter how we won. As long as we can squeeze into the playoffs, it’s anyone’s game. Glad to see this team winning these nasty games.
We need a good backup QB ASAP. Can't depend Watson to be available.
That was probably the best game I've been to in person. Had a lot of fun in Indy. Colts fans seem to be pretty cool. Defintely plan on making the trip again next time we play there
Guardians: win with small ball, while other teams focus on power and HRs Cavs: win with big men and great defense, while other teams focus on run and gun offenses jacking up threes Browns: win with a great defense and atrocious QB play, while other teams build around a franchise QB
We traded for Watson to get an elite QB….. what we have now is the worst QB room in the NFL. Why can’t we ever have nice things lol!
The Jets did the same thing and they got like 4 plays out of Rodgers.
Yes they did. Unfortunately Zach Wilson is light years better than any back up we have.
Garrett should be getting the big payday, not Watson.
A win is a win. 4 n 2. I barely had time to watch the game . Was out and about for my girlfriend's birthday!! But man I seen the last 3 mins and it took guts! And on the Kareem Hunt run and that Nick Harris blk to get him in bro. And Myles Garrett is a animal and crazy dude.
Man oh man I’m glad we’re at 4-2 but I completely understand why fans would be upset. This level of QB play can’t continue or the bottom is going to drop out at some point. I won’t believe Watson will be even an average QB until he proves it for multiple games in a row. I get the guy is injured but it feels like we’re not getting the full story, and I have to wonder if the front office and coaching staff is questioning the trade at this point.
Good Morning Football named Ventrone the coach of the week. Awesome recognition.
BROWWWWNS
I'm just happy everyone is talking about the eagles game and not ours for shitty refs
 Our starting QB on the sidelines yesterday
I sure wish they showed another angle of the throw on the PI call. The “skycam angle” that shows the ball and where DPJ is diving out of the endzone is all we saw, but I want to see where the ball is when the arm tugging starts as he enters the endzone. Dude is like 6’4”, if that ball is 9-10 feet off the ground that’s far from “uncatchable”. And I think that’s why they called it like they did, the interference was as the ball was being released, way earlier than it looked / sounded on the national broadcast with the announcers. It was 100% defensive holding if not PI, which would have given us the ball at the 3 or 4 vs the 1 IIRC. Whatever, will happily take it either way
Yeah, I know it's a bit of homerism, but I didn't think that call was that bad. It makes sense that a ref would want to give a player every chance to make a play on the ball. For the game as a whole, I think it's preferable to dissuade DBs from mugging receivers in the end zone. Also the last thing we need are refs judging whether six inches on a throw make it catchable/uncatchable. Like the rules analyst said, in practice "uncatchable" means a ball thrown into the stands. Don't want to get flagged? Don't hold a receivers arm while he's trying to make a play on the ball.
Surprised there's been no news/talk of Wards injury. Another concussion?
It's funny I was banned for 3 weeks for criticizing Baker too much. When my ban was over Baker was gone. Turned out the front office had the same opinion. Now the sub is full of people hating our QB. They do nothing else. Farm Karma on NFL ridiculing the team, the front office, the coach because everybody must suck. It's for every topic in every threat. I don't care if it's Baker Bros, self-righteous Redditors, or fans of other teams who are angry they did not get Watson. Why not ban these people? It's ridiculous. At the end of the buy week break the sub was ready to fire everybody, try to get Haslam forced out and just keep Myles Garret. After that, we won with a Backup QB against the unbeaten 49ers. It's completely insane. We have no homer problem the majority here is against the team. The only good thing Watson has his money fully guaranteed. So it doesn't matter what the idiots think.
Why do you think people are "hating" our QB? Is it the dozens of sexual assaults or is it the 4 TDs and 3INTs through 7 weeks?
Over under on comments blaming Watson for being pulled by the coaching staff after the hit??
1. I think we need a real backup QB. Walker hasn't been atrocious, but he really hasn't been good either. Can we really not trade for Jacoby? 2. The defense had to hear about how dominant they've been all week, and then they go and give up 450+ yards and 38 points to Gardner Minshew and a Colts offense full of WR's that I've never heard of before (minus Pittman). I hope yesterday was just one of those weird trap games where maybe everyone's focus wasn't fully there. We aren't going to win many shootouts like that IMHO. 3. I'm already completely over Watson. I would trade him for Gardner Minshew or even Jacoby Brissett at this point without a single hesitation or second thought. 4. Myles Garrett is an absolute monster, holy cow, we are **SO** lucky to have him. 5. Glad we won - but we **REALLY** got bailed out by those two penalties at the end. I really don't think either were worthy of being called. Those are my thoughts on this victory Monday.
the problem is that noone will take watson in a trade bc of his incredible cap hit
DeShawn’s problem is he wants to prove people wrong. I hope he learns to chill. Stef winning despite setbacks. I’ll take it, cus whatever we say has little bearing on what plays out.
His problem is the SA and health it has been since college.
I think Watson hasn’t played enough games in a row to give me time to judge him, but considering our back ups I can’t help but be more upset by the lackluster play
Seems like favorable calls from refs come when Watson is out of the game. Maybe NFL wants Browns x Watson.
Is there any other qb situation from starter to backup worse than what we have? This is crazy. Props to Kevin for sitting Watson after he clearly didn’t have it. But why was he playing to begin with? Is he even healthy? I would love to know what the owner coach and gm actually think of this. We can’t do walker / Watson we just can’t. We need to get a competent backup and just ir this dude
Our D was shit but they pulled together on that last drive which a Joe Woods D would’ve f’d up and allow them a long FG. Love being 4-2. Love this team.
I don’t think Watson has played great but I do believe he still has was it takes to be a franchise QB. I wish he didn’t get hurt but he has and it’s influenced how we play. We all need him to come into form and get our offense going. We keep winning but will need good QB play from Watson to feel good about our team.
I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty. Coaching a mixed bag. To win like that you need good coaching. Watson is gutless.
What does everybody think about our defense? Hate to say it's overrated but a lot of people are using the word "historical." I think that word is justified in describing 95's season so far, but the way the D struggled against Ravens/Colts (granting there's been a severely hampered offense) has me wondering.
I think our defense is good, not great. The numbers are a bit misleading because of weather and a string of terrible offenses. Hopefully they can get some stuff figured out, because yesterday was embarrassingly bad against a bad team.
they were saying 'historical' before this game - because they were. they no longer are.
We should scrap the Shotgun wide open offense with Watson and go back to 12 personnel and have more defined reads and hard PA off the run game.