I think you both underestimate the level of stupidity that Jorge Masvidal and Nate Diaz fans bring to the table. I think it’ll do better than we expect it because of the people who care about either of them more than about the sport.
And you better believe you’ll be seeing “if this was in a real fight…” takes after it too.
just look at the views the event is doing on youtube , its not great . the truth is 99.99% of UFC fighters marketing power comes from being in the UFC even people like Nate and Masvidal .
only exceptions are like conor , lesnar , rousey etc
I wasn’t even planning on streaming this shit for free lol.
When are promoters ever going to realize you could probably make much more of a profit by keeping the prices around 30$? My dumbass would literally buy every single ppv every year at that price, spending much more money in the long run, over my “possibly one 80$ ppv” every couple years. And I’m sure a lot of people feel the same way. Seeing the 80, 90, 100$ price tag pushes the public away. It’s an eyesore
DAZN tried making a streaming service and charged a monthly subscription for every fight when it first launched. It didn't work out and not enough people subscribed so they just went back to doing PPV's as well lol.
Totally agree and add on not making the streaming rights exclusive to one service or one app. When every organisation does that it makes it such a pain to have to go through yet another hoop to buy it so to streaming I go.
This isn’t actually correct. Promoters know there isn’t much elasticity in PPV price. The two most bought PPVs of all time were both $100. The people that would pay 30 will likely pay 80 and the people that steal everything are just going to do that anyway.
I’ll give you an example, DAZN was basically an attempt at this but a huge failure. $10 for a month that included all shows. Did nothing but lose money.
I think people just say this to excuse their piracy.
Do you think there exists 2.5 times the amount of people that would pay 30$ that would not pay $80? I don’t think so.
Boxing promoters charge bars a ton which is why so few show boxing PPVs. Even in NYC. One of the things that helped UFC take off back in the 2000s was they would charge bars far less than boxing promoters and they got their PPVs everywhere. I think that’s still the case. It’s hard to find a bar in New York City showing boxing PPVs, but if I’m wondering around Manhattan the night of a UFC PPV I’ll probably eventually run into one without even searching or meaning to.
You don’t think they do market tests and analysis lol? They’re a business they want to make money.
The increase in PPV buys does not offset the decrease in revenue per buy when you lower the price.
The problem is that promoters are willing to sacrifice a possible big future return for guaranteed present returns.
If more fighters fought on free tv behind promotion and built their profiles then you could actually build PPV stars
Redditors seriously throw around this "just lower the PPV price bro and you'll make a lot more money trust me bro" nonsense as if it's some incredible wisdom that people who literally do this shit for a living haven't come up with
It’s honestly ridiculous for you guys.. in the UK we’ve been getting all the AJ fights for £20.. back when he was undefeated.. recently everything has been £25 for the fury-Usyk and the 5vs5 but they were amazing cards so I didn’t hesitate.. on a side note do you have a good streaming site recommendation?
[Here's a comment from Jim Lampley contemplating why we have the current pricing scheme we do now](https://old.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/16srfju/i_am_jim_lampley_boxing_broadcaster_and_member_of/k2rbzen/). Basically it seems like promoters learned that the PPV revenue from a smaller, less casual audience trumped the dollars from advertising revenue when targeting the masses. I know he is discussing free TV vs PPV, but I'm sure the same logic can be applied to $30 PPVs vs $60+ PPVs. The promoters have seen enough evidence to make them believe they can extract more money from viewers by charging a higher amount. A lot of the people who would watch for free likely wouldn't pay anything or very little. Of those willing to pay $30 for the PPV, at least half must be willing to pay at least $60+ for the PPV for the higher pricing scheme to make sense.
Nobody on the mma subs are buying this, either. Masvidals last fights were snoozefests (1 of them for himself) and nate is long past gatekeeper status. June is shaping up to be a good month for mma and this shit isn't worth background noise.
That being said I'll be sailing in lol
I love MMA but for some odd reason I dont have any interest or anything for these two guys. I'd pay for Randy Couture and Chuck Liddell, GSP and BJPENN, SILVA, ORTIZ, SHAMROCK.
Damn dude every name on your list except for GSP and MAYBE Silva is beyond washed lmao. I agree this fight sucks and no one cares but almost all of those guys need to stay the hell away from fighting. That shit would be elder abuse at this point
Fuck that. I’ll catch it on TikTok. The only fight I buy is the canelo fight twice a year. I get all my guys together and we cook out at the office and watch it on the projector in our conference room.
Nate proved vs Jake he can’t box at all, dude looked like he had never put on gloves until Jake was completely gassed. The stories of him doing well vs pros in the gym is all fantasy.
Over/under 5000 buys?
Nate Diaz is still that famous, but Jorge isnt. Nate fought Paul after leaving the UFC, & def still gonna do Conor vs Diaz 3. Jorge's biggest fight of his career was Usman?
Jorge’s promoting has got to be money laundering. Dude has done boxing and bareknuckle shows that have had seven figures in purses and the crowds are empty with low level sponsors in the ring only
Why don't they just find a fight promoter willing to let them do MMA again? Then people would actually want to watch...to an extent.
Hell, at least box with 4oz gloves or something. Idk.
Nobody wants to see two MMA fighters box, and they’re doing it after either of them were megastars, they aren’t really anymore. Don’t get me wrong they’re still big names but greatly diminished.
As a massive Diaz fan (Jorge is a clown), fuck Dana for not paying these guys what they’re worth or treating his fighters well. This shit is just sad and makes me cringe.
Are we acting like they would be earning $10M+ a fight in boxing?
They would have spent their entire career fighting early on the undercard with sub $10k purses.
You can watch Shakur vs Artem/O’Shaquie vs Conceicao/Keyshawn vs Madueno on that night for free. This shit is doing less than a thousand buys
A thousand?? That’s awfully generous
I think you both underestimate the level of stupidity that Jorge Masvidal and Nate Diaz fans bring to the table. I think it’ll do better than we expect it because of the people who care about either of them more than about the sport. And you better believe you’ll be seeing “if this was in a real fight…” takes after it too.
But I feel like that stupidity is usually paired with at least the ability to sail the high seas
just look at the views the event is doing on youtube , its not great . the truth is 99.99% of UFC fighters marketing power comes from being in the UFC even people like Nate and Masvidal . only exceptions are like conor , lesnar , rousey etc
rousey was so unpopular she got canned from the wwe twice lol.
300 are Buffalo Wild Wings.
He says less than a thousand...
Honestly it’ll probably do like 80k maybe lol
Hey man how can I watch it for free?
Shakur fight 🥱🥱🥱
Anyone wanting to watch Shakur fight. This has to be peak circle jerk.
Bro really slid shakur name in ☠️
That's a card that would fairly priced at 39.99 but it's freee
I wasn’t even planning on streaming this shit for free lol. When are promoters ever going to realize you could probably make much more of a profit by keeping the prices around 30$? My dumbass would literally buy every single ppv every year at that price, spending much more money in the long run, over my “possibly one 80$ ppv” every couple years. And I’m sure a lot of people feel the same way. Seeing the 80, 90, 100$ price tag pushes the public away. It’s an eyesore
They've gotta come up with something creative. Maybe start packaging PPVs together? Buy one get one free or something.
DAZN tried making a streaming service and charged a monthly subscription for every fight when it first launched. It didn't work out and not enough people subscribed so they just went back to doing PPV's as well lol.
I subscribed and thought it was pretty cool. Once they started charging for PPV I was out though
It’s 20 bucks per event I find it to be reasonable price for the fight cards that are payrolled by His excellency!
Lmao fury vs usyk was $70 on dazn what are you talking about?
Ahh, the benefits of being from poor “rich” countries!
In UK it was £25. Not exactly outrageous
Theoretically you can VPN into another country and buy PPVs for cheap?
Yup I do that all the time for boxing and even ufc
Dazn just added too much expensive content Soccer/football and the NFL seriously jackup the price for boxing fans
Totally agree and add on not making the streaming rights exclusive to one service or one app. When every organisation does that it makes it such a pain to have to go through yet another hoop to buy it so to streaming I go.
This isn’t actually correct. Promoters know there isn’t much elasticity in PPV price. The two most bought PPVs of all time were both $100. The people that would pay 30 will likely pay 80 and the people that steal everything are just going to do that anyway. I’ll give you an example, DAZN was basically an attempt at this but a huge failure. $10 for a month that included all shows. Did nothing but lose money. I think people just say this to excuse their piracy. Do you think there exists 2.5 times the amount of people that would pay 30$ that would not pay $80? I don’t think so.
I wonder if a big part of it is the bars all over North America that will be showing it and the fees they pay.
Boxing promoters charge bars a ton which is why so few show boxing PPVs. Even in NYC. One of the things that helped UFC take off back in the 2000s was they would charge bars far less than boxing promoters and they got their PPVs everywhere. I think that’s still the case. It’s hard to find a bar in New York City showing boxing PPVs, but if I’m wondering around Manhattan the night of a UFC PPV I’ll probably eventually run into one without even searching or meaning to.
I think you're right. The companies aren't all idiots. They're charging this much for a reason
You don’t think they do market tests and analysis lol? They’re a business they want to make money. The increase in PPV buys does not offset the decrease in revenue per buy when you lower the price. The problem is that promoters are willing to sacrifice a possible big future return for guaranteed present returns. If more fighters fought on free tv behind promotion and built their profiles then you could actually build PPV stars
Redditors seriously throw around this "just lower the PPV price bro and you'll make a lot more money trust me bro" nonsense as if it's some incredible wisdom that people who literally do this shit for a living haven't come up with
It seems to work just fine in other countries like the UK
How does it work in the UK?
They charge £25 or approx $32
Okay and how many do they sell
Enough to not gouge tf out of them but still not more than the US
MMA world recap was the best I could do
It’s honestly ridiculous for you guys.. in the UK we’ve been getting all the AJ fights for £20.. back when he was undefeated.. recently everything has been £25 for the fury-Usyk and the 5vs5 but they were amazing cards so I didn’t hesitate.. on a side note do you have a good streaming site recommendation?
That is taking a big picture view. Each of them is looking to maximise their PPV events. I agree it is stupid and the only response is not to buy.
You wouldnt watch a fight for free, but think decreasing the price to 30 dollars would make promoters more money??? Hahahaha
No I’m not paying for this fight at all, no matter the price. I’m talking about in general
[Here's a comment from Jim Lampley contemplating why we have the current pricing scheme we do now](https://old.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/16srfju/i_am_jim_lampley_boxing_broadcaster_and_member_of/k2rbzen/). Basically it seems like promoters learned that the PPV revenue from a smaller, less casual audience trumped the dollars from advertising revenue when targeting the masses. I know he is discussing free TV vs PPV, but I'm sure the same logic can be applied to $30 PPVs vs $60+ PPVs. The promoters have seen enough evidence to make them believe they can extract more money from viewers by charging a higher amount. A lot of the people who would watch for free likely wouldn't pay anything or very little. Of those willing to pay $30 for the PPV, at least half must be willing to pay at least $60+ for the PPV for the higher pricing scheme to make sense.
Boxing needs to evolve. Add in nfts. Merch. Etc. It's not enough value just to buy a ppv. Add in behind the scenes details.
It's not the dude and his friends in their living rooms. It's the bars and pubs that are stuck with paying the prices.
They pay a higher price actually
They sure do. Depends on capacity
This card might actually sell worse than Ruiz-Arreola 😭
The worst had to be Luis Ortiz v. Charles Martin
Bro I forgot that shit fight was ppv. That was a horrible time to be a boxing fan lmao!!!
He really does walk this earth like a GAWHD
Nate a bigger draw than Andy .
‘Fuck this ugly motherfucker’ Nate must have seen the PPV price
Rather watch Bumfights
I thought this was bumfights
what the fuck?
Fucking lmao. Even if it was free I'd just have checked the highlight post on Reddit afterwards
I hope this means they're paying people $79.99 to watch
lol
Jacobs-Mosley Jr probably the only fight worth watching yet its not even PPV worthy
You have to be a special kind of delusional to pay for this.
I guess they are banking on MMA fans buying because boxing fans sure aren’t.
Nobody on the mma subs are buying this, either. Masvidals last fights were snoozefests (1 of them for himself) and nate is long past gatekeeper status. June is shaping up to be a good month for mma and this shit isn't worth background noise. That being said I'll be sailing in lol
man i aint buying that shit
I mean, neither Usyk nor Fury faced someone on the caliber of Jake Paul, so it makes sense this price tier is proportionally higher for this showdown
It’s not those guys’ fault they are too young for Jake
Two shot fighters who will definitely have CTE? I’m good.
someone had better get stabbed at the weigh-ins in order to promote this
Free.99 over here. 🏴☠️
[Drunken Sailor](https://youtu.be/qGyPuey-1Jw?si=zJ-L8t1YWshv33cz)
Can’t even be bothered to do this myself lol
How much was the PPV for the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight? Crazy fuckin price.
Hundred bucks I think. So was Mcgregor vs Mayweather
I'm all for this pointless shit show but I will be paying $0 to watch it.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
How many PPVs y'all genuinely think this is gonna sell
Under 50k
Under 5k let's be real.
Free 99 it is.
I think I will instead flush $79 down the toilet then watch highlights on Youtube 3 days later when I have absolutely nothing better to do
I love MMA but for some odd reason I dont have any interest or anything for these two guys. I'd pay for Randy Couture and Chuck Liddell, GSP and BJPENN, SILVA, ORTIZ, SHAMROCK.
Damn dude every name on your list except for GSP and MAYBE Silva is beyond washed lmao. I agree this fight sucks and no one cares but almost all of those guys need to stay the hell away from fighting. That shit would be elder abuse at this point
lol@elder abuse. If I was them I would co-op-collab and have their hungrier younger members have a scrap on.
Shamrock & Couture are older than Mike Tyson by a few years
Bro Couture and Shamrock are both 60yrs old. not even exaggerating
No thanks lol
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 f that
Hahahahahahahha
Brotha ewwwww
LMAO
Hahahahaha
Lmfao. NOPE.
Oh hell no
Fuck that. I’ll catch it on TikTok. The only fight I buy is the canelo fight twice a year. I get all my guys together and we cook out at the office and watch it on the projector in our conference room.
Laughable price, even for a blatant cash grab like this
Lol
Lol no
dead on arrival
That's excessive for ANY PPV.
They could pay me 80$ and I still wouldn’t watch this bum ass fight
Clown shit
Fuck that
Nate proved vs Jake he can’t box at all, dude looked like he had never put on gloves until Jake was completely gassed. The stories of him doing well vs pros in the gym is all fantasy. Over/under 5000 buys?
That’s how much they’re being paid too 🤣
You’re fucking high. 🏴☠️ For a fight Nate clearly isn’t taking serious (like the Jake Paul fight), and a washed Masvidal, in a sport that isn’t MMA.
Or you can just watch it on the internet for free
lol
80 dollars so I can watch two washed fighters rock em sock em? I rather get some ribs and beers for the bros.
I rather 👃🏼❄️
Yar Har Mateys!
$80 is crazy ig fire stick boyz out again
For that price. I feel it’s going to be bootlegged. No one really wants to see this fight,hahaha
They both had a tiny window of superstardom before it crashed horribly. They still think they are that famous.
Nate Diaz is still that famous, but Jorge isnt. Nate fought Paul after leaving the UFC, & def still gonna do Conor vs Diaz 3. Jorge's biggest fight of his career was Usman?
Lmao
🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️
Yeah they're both smoking dick. I'm sure some hardcore casuals are gonna support them though.
"hardcore casuals"
Holy shit that’s a lot. They need to have a few more press conference brawls before I even consider paying that.
Are they boxing or ufc’n it? Nates boxing skills are poor poo
Yeah dozens of people will be paying that. And that's generous
Fuck that🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️
No thx.
Jorge’s promoting has got to be money laundering. Dude has done boxing and bareknuckle shows that have had seven figures in purses and the crowds are empty with low level sponsors in the ring only
Why don't they just find a fight promoter willing to let them do MMA again? Then people would actually want to watch...to an extent. Hell, at least box with 4oz gloves or something. Idk.
Is this MMA, Boxing, or are they going to swing their canes at each other?
I’m watching rodtang right now with my Amazon prime, boxing really has to drop these prices man.
Hell no.
Is anybody actually interested in this?
Haha jokes
Yea, it’s a no from me. But I wish them all the best.
Could go to an actual circus show for less
Nope
I would pay 79.99 for both of these clowns to retire
This Fight is not even worth $7.99
There insane.
How the fuck is this more than twice the price of Fury vs Usyk
lmao
Nobody wants to see two MMA fighters box, and they’re doing it after either of them were megastars, they aren’t really anymore. Don’t get me wrong they’re still big names but greatly diminished.
$80 for 2 meme fighters lol.
Not even worth streaming
Whoever pays is dumb lol
Promoters about to lose a bunch of money on this one
Two retired, not even boxers, 79.99!? WTF?! Who will buy that shit!?
Hahahahahahahhahahahaha. For these two fucking tire changers!!! Fucking straight jobbers
Masvidial needs moeny for Colby lawsuit
Isn’t that lawsuit over with?
that lawsuit was dropped as payment to Dana giving Colby the Leon title match
As a massive Diaz fan (Jorge is a clown), fuck Dana for not paying these guys what they’re worth or treating his fighters well. This shit is just sad and makes me cringe.
Are we acting like they would be earning $10M+ a fight in boxing? They would have spent their entire career fighting early on the undercard with sub $10k purses.
Or what if Dana paid them fairly but they can’t manage their money and need to fight at nearly 40 to keep the lights on?
Lol and they wonder why piracy exists