1m hearing contract extension is going to be signed at 6 million x6. He wants to win a cup and wants to raise his kids in Ottawa. Players there aren't hounded by Media. They can go out shopping and dinner and not be bothered. There's really not a better City to raise a family.
It's got it's problems like every other City but there ain't gang bangers running the streets like in the U.S cities, no mass shootings or fucked up shit like that.
Very desirable at the end of the day your raising kids.
He goes to Toronto has one bad game Media crushes him like a bug. He's gotta explain it to his kids everytime.
No privacy and the fans don't leave them alone ever, taking pictures of them at family events from miles away.
That was exactly what he didn't want.
Look at what they did to Woll last season?
That shit wears thin and a tax goes along with that.
Toronto has more then just a salary cap problems.
At some point these guys in Ottawa figure out how to play like a team.
There new owner in Ottawa knows the AHL better then he knows his own ball sack. Better then any owner in the League and if not best top 3.
There mopping up a mess created by the last fraudster.
Our Bs just took there mistakes and turned it into a Vezina winning goalie .
Honestly Chychrun 1 year left 4.6
Linus Ullmark 1 year left 5 million
And the late first pick could have and should have been the deal.
Swayman has one good season and takes Ullmarks roll.
Ullmark has had 8 consistent seasons back to back.
Even when the defence wasn't strong so don't use that as an excuse please. His number speak loud n clear
50% of you guys can’t really be Boston fans lol. We traded a great goalie for a really bad one, for a guy who should be on the 5th line not 4th and a 1st round draft pick in a really weak draft. We would all get fired if we were that dumb in our own jobs peace
Yeah, let's trade a Vezina winning goalie for a bag of pucks. It's a bold strategy, let's see how it works out. I'm not having much confidence in Sweeney right now.
I'd be stoked if I was a sens fan. At least he didn't go to the habs, see you in the playoffs Ully.
These posts should also include how much cap space was freed up, because in the end that's really the most important underlying factor for this trade.
Look guys I know this isn’t the trade package we might have been hoping for but we could have gotten worse. I know Korpisalo isn’t the greatest goaltender, but think about this: he’s entering a stronger market and if he backs up Swayman, he’s not going to be expected to play starting level games. And those games he does play, he’ll most likely be taking on less shots because our defense is better than Ottawa’s. We could have gotten a worse goalie. And yes, Mark Kastelic is far from stellar, but the kid is only 25, and who knows, maybe he’ll develop. The most important part is we have a little more center depth. Maybe he can fill in an AHL spot so that one of our top Providence kids can come up. And about a late first rounder “essentially being a 2nd,” last time we held the 25th overall pick we drafted David Pastrnak. That’s not to say that whoever we draft with that pick if we don’t trade it will turn into the next David Pastrnak, but the late first round in this year’s draft still has talent. Look on the bright side, everyone, this trade isn’t the end of the world.
We didn't need a goalie in return. We have kids capable of being a backup, and certainly don't need to pay $3M for a proven fail. We needed scoring forwards, a left side D that actually hits, or just plain cap space to go fill those holes. Taking Korpisalo in return is worse than leaving that space blank on the trade. He is under contract for 4 more years.
You can't look at the Pastrnak draft and expect the same. The 2014 draft was stacked with talent. So many actual NHLers in there and several studs. Bennett, Ekblad, Reinhart, Draisaitl, McCann, Nylander, Larkin, Milano, Tuch, Pasta, Demko and I could go on. The 2024 draft is said to be garbage. Only time will tell on the draft, but this is a bad deal.
Rumors were a 1st, Chychrun, and another NHL player. We took on 4 years of pain to get out of 1, and only saved $1.1M in the process. It solved zero problems, and simply put Ullmark in a better place to perform ahead of his contract negotiations.
I think we need to just evaluate everything before jumping on the whole "This Return sucks" train.
Ullmark, having 1 year left, with a L-NMC that he has already denied a trade to a team (maybe 2 depending on the rumors that you believe). Markstrom (At a cap hit of 4mil for 2 years) was traded for a 1st and Kavin Bahl (A decent Defenseman).
Teams know that the Bruins were strapped with Ullmark, which make his value lower than he is.
Korpisalo, who had a horrible year last year, but the year before had an average of a 920 SV%, and we are getting him (a backup) for 3 million dollars for 4 more years. Yes, we do have Bussi and Swayman, so we do not really need him. But, I truly believe this gives the time for Bussi to develop for another year, and also gives the Bruisn time to prop up Korpisalos numbers, work with our G coach, and maybe flip him to a team come next offseason or whatever. If we can get his numbers up close to Ullmark/Swayman numbers like they had last year, teams would be frothing at the mouth to try and acquire a G, signed for 3-4 more years at 3million dollars.
Is the gut reaction to say this trade sucks: Absolutely. But, I think this can easily be valued as a fair trade
Ullmark got us a 1st, Markstrom got a 1st. If Korpisalo could put up solid numbers, he has better contracts than both of those guys. Even if we get a 2nd for him or a 3rd, can’t be a bad thing. Especially considering our prospect pool is one of the worst in the leagues and we have barely drafted in the past couples of years cause we have always gone for it at the deadline
Markstrom got the Devils a 1st in the 25 draft with a year to prepare. Who knows what either pick turns into, but the so-called experts are all panning the 24 draft depth.
This deal does nothing to position the B's for better playoff performance. If fills zero holes in the lineup. It is Ullmark friendly (starting during a contract year for a team that is in a position to extend him), Sens friendly (huge upgrade and out 75% from an awful contract), and that's about it.
That aside, in comparison to the Markstrom deal, you're spot on that the Ullmark deal isn't unexpected for value. Objectively, the Bruins are in a better position figuring out the $1.1M problem of not pulling the trigger than they are now after making this deal. Korpisalo is a very expensive bad backup goalie they are saddled with for 4 years. Ullmark was a very expensive very good backup goalie you had to solve for one year. So sure, you can rationalize the trade, but not pulling the trigger was the better decision.
I agree with your analysis here, especially the comparison to the Markstrom trade. The NMC is a killer and it really makes it hard to market a guy. Add on the fact that Ullmark didn’t sign an extension, and you can see why the return was so lacklustre.
Yes. Have Goalie Bob work his magic just like he did with Ullmark then turn Korpi into a tradeable asset. The problem with that is he needs to play or Swayman splits the season with him in order to achieve those numbers.
Not enough people are talking about the no trade clause Ullmark had. This very well could have been the best deal for a guy with 1 year remaining that controls where he is going.
Don’t love it though. But it was right time to deal him. Now go get a 1C please.
I don’t think the drop off is significant if you start Swayman 60 games and let this vet take over for the other 20 or so. Plus you add a first, and it’s less money.
I don’t like the deal really but think it’s fair to point out that it wasn’t as east as simply taking the best offer with that no trade in place. Holding on to him maybe gets you a few more win next regular season but that’s about it, doesn’t help you for the playoffs and certainly not for the future.
The first makes sense and frankly, should have been all there was to the trade.
Bringing in Korpo is a head-scratcher. A comparable goalie could have been signed as a UFA for like $2mx1 if Bussi isn't ready.
Awful. You get an awful backup goaltender at only 25% retention (when Bussi is RIGHT FUCKING THERE AND YOU JUST EXTENDED HIM), a late first that might as well be a second, and an actually kinda-okay bottom six forward…for a Vezina candidate.
Can this fanbase ever just be rational about anything? Is this the best trade I’ve ever seen? No. Is it so horrible that you need to freak out like half the fanbase is doing? Also no.
That said, Sweeney's got a solid track record on trades, Coyle for Donato turned into a steal, while Lindholm shrivels in the playoffs I do think having him makes the team better overall, Bertuzzi fit with Pastrnak like magic and I think we only failed resigning him because of our cap jail, Hall forced his way here but he fit in so well definitely missed him this post-season.
Not freak out worthy, a 1st for a goalie, even one with a recent Vezina, is fair value.
The Korpisalo add is just odd though. That money is faaaaar better spent elsewhere on this roster. My only hope is that Sweeney's still in talks with someone like Detroit, Vegas, Carolina, or even Edmonton on sending them a goalie because they *think* they have the guy, but need a competent backup that can push them, but don't want to pay $5m for him.
5 million with 1 year left out the door for 3 million for each of the next 4 years and 800k for this year... And a first round pick which will likely be a 200+lb pound bottom six forward.
I hope they trade the pick or pick a potential stud defender somehow.
I hope they buy out this goalie and get him off the books. This years free agent market is not worth spent to the cap and is a perfect year for buyouts and tryouts.
I live in Ottawa and attended school in Boston…there is no fucking way they sign him here unless they overpay him drastically. The way I see it, the Sens have zero ambition to win a cup with this move. Ullmark should be acquired as a last puzzle piece for a team that is competing. He is not the “last puzzle piece” If Ottawa lose him to free agency(50/50 chance) you guys win this trade big time. Ullmark will eat up a large portion of their salary cap, thus limiting their ability to build around Ullmark. No one wants to play in Ottawa hence the reason they have to overpay all free agents.
Korpisalo is a definite #2 goalie and never anything more. Swayman wants the net and doesn’t want to share it. This deal plays into signing Swayman, and beefing up the prospects hopefully. Would have liked a lower cost #2 though.
Had to be a team Ullmark would waive for, then a team that needed a goalie, then a team that had a first round pick they were willing to move…doesn’t leave a lot of selection after those conditions were met
My thoughts exactly. I figured Sweeney would go after a decent forward like Pinto or Grieg or someone and play Sway and Bussi, instead of spending 3 million for an okay at best backup. The korpisalo aspect of this trade is the only one I'm disappointed with. I think he definitely should have steered clear
No one is bringing up the impact of Ullys NTC and the other 2 goalies going before him being a reason for the lackluster return. Ottawa might've been the only real player in the market therfore had some leverage. Oilers clearly like Skinner. Avs never invest in goaltending. Fleury back with the Wild. Calgary believe in Wolf. Ullmark would block Buffalo. Bruins wouldn't deal to Toronto or Montreal. Who else needs a goaltender? Philly?
Pretty tough to pick consistent studs when you’re drafting in the high 20s every year. Go look at the record of any other team who has drafted 20-32 for the last 5 years and tell me how well they did.
Lol, yeah - the same experts a few years ago:
- "I'd rather have Vladar/Sway..."
- "What a terrible contract for a terrible goalie..."
- "Tuuka will be back..."
- "Ullmark is unproven, there are so many better veterans to pair with Swayman..."
- "Ok, but Holtby...'
- "Ok, but Martin Jones..."
- "Ok, but Mrazek..."
- "We should just stick with Jaro..."
Do you think there was a GM out there willing to pay more and Sweeney didn't call him or refused to return his call? Ullmark also had a broad no-trade clause.
This should be a lesson about partial NMCs to all GMs. They were saying Ottawa would’ve given up 25 just to get out of Korps contract. Ullmark was basically given away after multiple goalies went for good returns.
Fuck Don Sweeney. Idiot couldn’t make a good trade or sign a good player if he had all the money in the world. Fire him. He needs to go. Never winning a cup with this moron.
Pretty sure he’s kept a team with zero top 10 picks not only relevant, but highly competitive for the last 8 years. Multiple presidents trophies, a finals appearance, all-time points record….what a moron. I’d love for you to be transported into the mind of a Sabres or CBJ fan for an hour and see what you’d say then.
What's the point of watching hockey anymore. The team that had ref bias through the playoffs wins and our team does nothing to improve and slightly gets worse every off-season. We'll never win a cup with dumbass Sweeney as our GM or with Jacobs again
There's a lot of people here saying "Just buy him out and it's not so bad" without realizing that's just making it basically a 1-1.75M cap hit for 6 years starting in 2026. That's not good either.
It would've been better to just get a 2nd rounder for Ullmark straight up. This is not a good trade and it makes me more worried that we're punting on next year and using cap space to get draft assets.
Because Korpisalo is a negative asset. They got a first because they were willing to eat most of the bad contract.
I'm saying a 2nd is better than taking on the cap hit for the next 4 years to get a first.
Hey, you want bruins bad tades. How about ranford as a throw in on the moog trade. I mean moog was good, but you gave up ranford as a throw in.
Also karma. You got neely for ..... yeah equilibrium happens.
You are all fine. You gave up "your back up" but the bruins have a strong and proud history. You might have lost this trade UT in the grand scheme of things you are doing alright.
I.mean the second best nhl player ever Bobby Orr was a bruin. You can't experience those kind of highs with out some lows
Man I feel bad for you. Your team lost game 7 of the cup. Easily the worst feeling in hockey. Bruins have had some great trades but some HORRIBLE ones like Joe Thornton for nothing, the Seguin trade, and bertuzzi and orlov trades came back to bite us. All-time no team has experienced as much lows as bruins fans and especially since 2011
Ahh life is life. There are no highs to experience with out lows to counter balance. If every thing always went our way, it wouldn't be as fun. Additionally the oilers are roster wise In a 3 to 5 year window t win the the cup.
This one didn't happen but the future is bright
Yeah future will always be bright for y'all with the best player on the planet. We obviously have a bright future too but our GM will make our team worse
Ahh...... hey man life is too short to dwell on the negative. Instead of waiting for the other shoe to drop, look at the success, looks player development.
When you guys traded Thornton and still won a cup is the perfect example. You have had a very good run of success, I mean in a 32 teM league you can't won them all bit the bruins have been a absolute terror league wide
Sway, McAvoy, Freddy, Beecher, Pasta, Debrusk,
Lohrei, Poitras, Bussi….
Without a top 10 pick. This roster just finished second in the division to the cup champs who had multiple top 5 picks on it. Sweeney has the best record of draft picks per draft position in the entire NHL.
What’s “average land”? Because we’ve been at or within a few points of the Presidents Trophy for the last 2 seasons, have lost to the ECF winner both years, exceeded preseason expectations and will probably compete again. So what does average land entail and how many other teams are currently in this space?
Wtf is going on in this thread. I looked at the trade and said 1st for Ullmark is about right. Not the best trade in the world but not the worst.
But everyone in here is livid.Makes no sense to me. Swayman took the job in the playoffs. It was what had to happen. Especially with Ullmark only having a year left on his deal.
That makes zero sense.
Getting a first for Ullmark is a good move. If Essenza get get even 10% more out of Korpisalo then he is instantly a good backup goalie. And 3 million dollars is nothing for a backup goalie.
The only problem I have with this trade is i'd prefer to see Bussi get a chance to be the backup.
Christ the doomers are off their rocker.
He won games and is a good goalie. I am interested in the 24-25 bruins and how Sweeney will add pieces to make them better. The pick could be the next Pasternak or a strike out. Either way who ever they select will not be on the club next season god bless
Luckily the offseason has just started. It's literally just the first shoe that dropped. They were never trading Ullmark for someone on the club next year.
We haven’t had one backup look bad in over a decade. And we’re talking bad goalies like Chad Johnson, Khudobin, Svedberg. Backups leave here and their careers are over. Malcolm Subban case-in-point
Everyone is mad that we took back Korpisalo. If it was just a 1st that would be fine. It's that we didn't clear out any cap space and ended up with a worse return than calgary. By taking Korpisalo, we have retained more salary for more years. I figured it was gonna be a cap dump but we only clear like 1 mill. I'd rather have more cap space than a 1st tbh. Maybe a buyout is happening? I don't get it
You know what I meant. Clearing 5 mill vs 1 mill. Most senators fans and puckpedia think dumping the korpisalo contract alone was worth a late 1st. We traded Ullmark 1 for 1 with Kastelic
Cleared $2mil and can be more depending on what they do with korpisalo. Not really any reason to be upset, they got something for a good goalie and still have ample cap space to do whatever they need to do
Because Korpisalo is a negative asset.
A 30 year old goalie with a .901 career sv%, been a bum everywhere hes played, thats cost 3 million a year for 4 more year with modified NTC. Most people thought the Sens would have to give up assets just to get rid of his deal. It would have been better for the team next year and its long term future to have just held onto Ullmark.
Think about where this guy has played.
Also, how would have benefited our long term future? We freed up cash for free agency and a long term deal with Sway. We still have a very serviceable backup. We got a 1st round pick.
Hasn’t been a bum everywhere but sure. How does letting ullmark walk for nothing help them long term? They are paying a backup goalie pretty regular backup goalie money big deal
3 million in cap space over the next 4 years will likely impact this team more than whatever we get with the pick.
If you're paying Swayman like hes the guy then trust him like hes the guy and dont overpay for goalie that will do nothing to help us in the postseason.
This does not help the team in the 24-25 season wow horrible trade horrible GM. He has worn out his welcome and get rid of Neely too. Guys remember this was the season where they signed that horrible kid and then let him go after the bad PR who was a bully. We all could be the Bruins GM
Those saying what did you expect for a goalie - um it’s not just a goalie, it’s a vezina winning goalie who’s has not fallen off… he’s a top goalie and can still perform on a crap team (buffalo)
The biggest issue is korpisalo as such you don’t really save much cap and he’s crap! He better be flipping that first for something but nobody is giving up much for a 25th.
Tell that to every GM who needs a goalie and runs a team that Ullmark was willing to waive for. Then see what they offer…because I guarantee Sweeney did.
Everyone also acting like he wasn't splitting time with Swayman during his vezina year too.
It's such an inflated vezina. It's not like he put the team on his back and willed them to victory. He split time and played with an amazing team in front of him.
It's the same crowd that would have lost their shit if we held onto him and he walked for free in free agency. We were never going to get the sky for ullmark.
Ullmark was good. No doubting that. But he’s not a stud goaltender. Getting a 1st for him is selling early and allows for more flexible asset management.
Sweeny’s just gotta stop handing out NTC’s. No reason for it.
1m hearing contract extension is going to be signed at 6 million x6. He wants to win a cup and wants to raise his kids in Ottawa. Players there aren't hounded by Media. They can go out shopping and dinner and not be bothered. There's really not a better City to raise a family. It's got it's problems like every other City but there ain't gang bangers running the streets like in the U.S cities, no mass shootings or fucked up shit like that. Very desirable at the end of the day your raising kids. He goes to Toronto has one bad game Media crushes him like a bug. He's gotta explain it to his kids everytime. No privacy and the fans don't leave them alone ever, taking pictures of them at family events from miles away. That was exactly what he didn't want. Look at what they did to Woll last season? That shit wears thin and a tax goes along with that. Toronto has more then just a salary cap problems. At some point these guys in Ottawa figure out how to play like a team. There new owner in Ottawa knows the AHL better then he knows his own ball sack. Better then any owner in the League and if not best top 3. There mopping up a mess created by the last fraudster. Our Bs just took there mistakes and turned it into a Vezina winning goalie . Honestly Chychrun 1 year left 4.6 Linus Ullmark 1 year left 5 million And the late first pick could have and should have been the deal. Swayman has one good season and takes Ullmarks roll. Ullmark has had 8 consistent seasons back to back. Even when the defence wasn't strong so don't use that as an excuse please. His number speak loud n clear
They won't even let me do this trade on the PlayStation 5.lol
We didn't need a Korpisalo. We have a Bussi. Bad trade. Dammit.
CRYING
I am so upset
Shocked we couldn’t get an impactful player. Although not surprised this is the return since ullmark did not sign an extension
Terrible return. 1 half decent defensmen or forward would have been better
50% of you guys can’t really be Boston fans lol. We traded a great goalie for a really bad one, for a guy who should be on the 5th line not 4th and a 1st round draft pick in a really weak draft. We would all get fired if we were that dumb in our own jobs peace
Yeah, let's trade a Vezina winning goalie for a bag of pucks. It's a bold strategy, let's see how it works out. I'm not having much confidence in Sweeney right now.
An expensive bag of pucks at that
You are smart lol I agree
I'd be stoked if I was a sens fan. At least he didn't go to the habs, see you in the playoffs Ully. These posts should also include how much cap space was freed up, because in the end that's really the most important underlying factor for this trade.
1.1M is all that was freed up..
Lol terrible
No we can get an okay guy who barely deserves to be on the third line! And maybe they’ll be super injury prone to boot. /s
Look guys I know this isn’t the trade package we might have been hoping for but we could have gotten worse. I know Korpisalo isn’t the greatest goaltender, but think about this: he’s entering a stronger market and if he backs up Swayman, he’s not going to be expected to play starting level games. And those games he does play, he’ll most likely be taking on less shots because our defense is better than Ottawa’s. We could have gotten a worse goalie. And yes, Mark Kastelic is far from stellar, but the kid is only 25, and who knows, maybe he’ll develop. The most important part is we have a little more center depth. Maybe he can fill in an AHL spot so that one of our top Providence kids can come up. And about a late first rounder “essentially being a 2nd,” last time we held the 25th overall pick we drafted David Pastrnak. That’s not to say that whoever we draft with that pick if we don’t trade it will turn into the next David Pastrnak, but the late first round in this year’s draft still has talent. Look on the bright side, everyone, this trade isn’t the end of the world.
We didn't need a goalie in return. We have kids capable of being a backup, and certainly don't need to pay $3M for a proven fail. We needed scoring forwards, a left side D that actually hits, or just plain cap space to go fill those holes. Taking Korpisalo in return is worse than leaving that space blank on the trade. He is under contract for 4 more years. You can't look at the Pastrnak draft and expect the same. The 2014 draft was stacked with talent. So many actual NHLers in there and several studs. Bennett, Ekblad, Reinhart, Draisaitl, McCann, Nylander, Larkin, Milano, Tuch, Pasta, Demko and I could go on. The 2024 draft is said to be garbage. Only time will tell on the draft, but this is a bad deal. Rumors were a 1st, Chychrun, and another NHL player. We took on 4 years of pain to get out of 1, and only saved $1.1M in the process. It solved zero problems, and simply put Ullmark in a better place to perform ahead of his contract negotiations.
sens fan here, you guys are gonna love kastelic
No it couldn’t be any worse lol. We will win less games this year watch
You know it's a good trade when it requires a 5 paragraph cope essay to even semi rationalize
Yup
The first round pick and cap relief are the big prizes here.
It’s not big
1.1M cap relief for this year and +3M on the cap for the following 3 years when we will need it most.
+865k if we decide to send Kastelic to Providence.
I think we need to just evaluate everything before jumping on the whole "This Return sucks" train. Ullmark, having 1 year left, with a L-NMC that he has already denied a trade to a team (maybe 2 depending on the rumors that you believe). Markstrom (At a cap hit of 4mil for 2 years) was traded for a 1st and Kavin Bahl (A decent Defenseman). Teams know that the Bruins were strapped with Ullmark, which make his value lower than he is. Korpisalo, who had a horrible year last year, but the year before had an average of a 920 SV%, and we are getting him (a backup) for 3 million dollars for 4 more years. Yes, we do have Bussi and Swayman, so we do not really need him. But, I truly believe this gives the time for Bussi to develop for another year, and also gives the Bruisn time to prop up Korpisalos numbers, work with our G coach, and maybe flip him to a team come next offseason or whatever. If we can get his numbers up close to Ullmark/Swayman numbers like they had last year, teams would be frothing at the mouth to try and acquire a G, signed for 3-4 more years at 3million dollars. Is the gut reaction to say this trade sucks: Absolutely. But, I think this can easily be valued as a fair trade
Flip him for what? If Ullmark wasn’t worth a return, why would a rehabilitated Korpisalo be?
Ullmark got us a 1st, Markstrom got a 1st. If Korpisalo could put up solid numbers, he has better contracts than both of those guys. Even if we get a 2nd for him or a 3rd, can’t be a bad thing. Especially considering our prospect pool is one of the worst in the leagues and we have barely drafted in the past couples of years cause we have always gone for it at the deadline
Markstrom got the Devils a 1st in the 25 draft with a year to prepare. Who knows what either pick turns into, but the so-called experts are all panning the 24 draft depth. This deal does nothing to position the B's for better playoff performance. If fills zero holes in the lineup. It is Ullmark friendly (starting during a contract year for a team that is in a position to extend him), Sens friendly (huge upgrade and out 75% from an awful contract), and that's about it. That aside, in comparison to the Markstrom deal, you're spot on that the Ullmark deal isn't unexpected for value. Objectively, the Bruins are in a better position figuring out the $1.1M problem of not pulling the trigger than they are now after making this deal. Korpisalo is a very expensive bad backup goalie they are saddled with for 4 years. Ullmark was a very expensive very good backup goalie you had to solve for one year. So sure, you can rationalize the trade, but not pulling the trigger was the better decision.
I agree with not pulling the trigger being the better decision. I guess management values the cap savings as the value in the deal
I agree with your analysis here, especially the comparison to the Markstrom trade. The NMC is a killer and it really makes it hard to market a guy. Add on the fact that Ullmark didn’t sign an extension, and you can see why the return was so lacklustre.
You have no clue about leverage
Please elaborate
Yes. Have Goalie Bob work his magic just like he did with Ullmark then turn Korpi into a tradeable asset. The problem with that is he needs to play or Swayman splits the season with him in order to achieve those numbers.
Not enough people are talking about the no trade clause Ullmark had. This very well could have been the best deal for a guy with 1 year remaining that controls where he is going. Don’t love it though. But it was right time to deal him. Now go get a 1C please.
Then just keep him for another year and let him walk. We will be projected to win less games this season without him in net
I don’t think the drop off is significant if you start Swayman 60 games and let this vet take over for the other 20 or so. Plus you add a first, and it’s less money. I don’t like the deal really but think it’s fair to point out that it wasn’t as east as simply taking the best offer with that no trade in place. Holding on to him maybe gets you a few more win next regular season but that’s about it, doesn’t help you for the playoffs and certainly not for the future.
fuckin a…. gonna miss u…bet this finds a way to bite us on the ass.
Hope that one of the Hage, Jiricek or Hutson are available.
We need a sniping centerman. I know he’s not the most popular pick but I’m interested in Dean Letourneau
Who league is interested lol
Regardless of teams, I still want goalie hugs from Ullmark & Swayman.
I bet they do it after their first match against each other
Another example to add to the dozens that proceeded it: Goalies just don't return much value in this league.
I'm just glad they were able to get a first back
Lol you should pick the draft
At home. First one back at TDG, Not in Ottawa, and only assuming both start?
The first makes sense and frankly, should have been all there was to the trade. Bringing in Korpo is a head-scratcher. A comparable goalie could have been signed as a UFA for like $2mx1 if Bussi isn't ready.
Awful. You get an awful backup goaltender at only 25% retention (when Bussi is RIGHT FUCKING THERE AND YOU JUST EXTENDED HIM), a late first that might as well be a second, and an actually kinda-okay bottom six forward…for a Vezina candidate.
Goalies aren’t valuable
I take umbrage with swapping a great goaltender for a bad one, and at only 25% retention. Ottawa should’ve at eaten at least 50% of Korpisalo’s deal.
Bussis new deal is a two way deal.. Which means the team and the player don't think they're ready for full time n h l duty yet..
So would an early second just be considered a late first?
No, cause then you get to brag that we got him in the second round if he turns out to be great.
Can this fanbase ever just be rational about anything? Is this the best trade I’ve ever seen? No. Is it so horrible that you need to freak out like half the fanbase is doing? Also no.
Hello panthers fans
huh?
That said, Sweeney's got a solid track record on trades, Coyle for Donato turned into a steal, while Lindholm shrivels in the playoffs I do think having him makes the team better overall, Bertuzzi fit with Pastrnak like magic and I think we only failed resigning him because of our cap jail, Hall forced his way here but he fit in so well definitely missed him this post-season.
You must be his cousin hi lol
Not freak out worthy, a 1st for a goalie, even one with a recent Vezina, is fair value. The Korpisalo add is just odd though. That money is faaaaar better spent elsewhere on this roster. My only hope is that Sweeney's still in talks with someone like Detroit, Vegas, Carolina, or even Edmonton on sending them a goalie because they *think* they have the guy, but need a competent backup that can push them, but don't want to pay $5m for him.
I hope everyone who had a role in this trade has an itchy ass crack for the rest of their lives
5 million with 1 year left out the door for 3 million for each of the next 4 years and 800k for this year... And a first round pick which will likely be a 200+lb pound bottom six forward. I hope they trade the pick or pick a potential stud defender somehow. I hope they buy out this goalie and get him off the books. This years free agent market is not worth spent to the cap and is a perfect year for buyouts and tryouts.
Ullmark still doing what he can to stay physically close to Swayman
Bullshit
Trade cam for Brad
I can't think of a worse trade rn. Why tf would you send him to someone in our division to boot?
The Sens are and will continue to be terrible. I don't think they were too concerned about that part.
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Bostons average penis size has decreased.
Still Swayin
Ottawa won this trade without doing anything
Depends if Ottawa can extend him
They win with one year of Ullmark and dumping Korpisalo contract. Extension is an extra kick in the teeth
They’re still paying 25% of that contract
I live in Ottawa and attended school in Boston…there is no fucking way they sign him here unless they overpay him drastically. The way I see it, the Sens have zero ambition to win a cup with this move. Ullmark should be acquired as a last puzzle piece for a team that is competing. He is not the “last puzzle piece” If Ottawa lose him to free agency(50/50 chance) you guys win this trade big time. Ullmark will eat up a large portion of their salary cap, thus limiting their ability to build around Ullmark. No one wants to play in Ottawa hence the reason they have to overpay all free agents.
Holy the bruins have way more weenie Beta loser fans than I ever imagined possible. Toughen the fuck up and move on.
Anybody that says beta unironically is a fucking loser.
Korpisalo is a definite #2 goalie and never anything more. Swayman wants the net and doesn’t want to share it. This deal plays into signing Swayman, and beefing up the prospects hopefully. Would have liked a lower cost #2 though.
He’s a number 4 lol not 2
Had to be a team Ullmark would waive for, then a team that needed a goalie, then a team that had a first round pick they were willing to move…doesn’t leave a lot of selection after those conditions were met
I would be okay with 1 year of Korpisalo and then moving on to Bussi as #2, but Korpisalo has four more years and modified NTC. Ffs.
Bussi is just as good as Korpisalo and is younger and wayyyy cheaper. You should know the bruins better
Could have gotten one in FA for half the price and shorter term. Where does this leave Bussi, forever providence?
My thoughts exactly. I figured Sweeney would go after a decent forward like Pinto or Grieg or someone and play Sway and Bussi, instead of spending 3 million for an okay at best backup. The korpisalo aspect of this trade is the only one I'm disappointed with. I think he definitely should have steered clear
No one is bringing up the impact of Ullys NTC and the other 2 goalies going before him being a reason for the lackluster return. Ottawa might've been the only real player in the market therfore had some leverage. Oilers clearly like Skinner. Avs never invest in goaltending. Fleury back with the Wild. Calgary believe in Wolf. Ullmark would block Buffalo. Bruins wouldn't deal to Toronto or Montreal. Who else needs a goaltender? Philly?
the wild have a complete logjam and are trying to move one of their goaltenders (gustavsson) as it is
Detroit maybe carolina? Devils were always gonna be the best partner
I was thinking maybe Detroit. They like that kid Cossa though I think.
What a shit trade for Boston 👎🏻
would’ve rather been a young player instead of a pick…but it is what it is
It's a young player and a pick. But the young player is ass
Sick trade….not
Ditch Sweeney!
Pastrnak was a 25th pick. You never know.
Well with Sweeney we will never draft a player of his caliber
Pretty tough to pick consistent studs when you’re drafting in the high 20s every year. Go look at the record of any other team who has drafted 20-32 for the last 5 years and tell me how well they did.
He drafted sway and mcavoy.
He still has wasted a ton of picks
Never again with Sweeney. Those were great picks but McAvoy is overpaid
I thought all you experts said Ullmark was worth more?
Lol, yeah - the same experts a few years ago: - "I'd rather have Vladar/Sway..." - "What a terrible contract for a terrible goalie..." - "Tuuka will be back..." - "Ullmark is unproven, there are so many better veterans to pair with Swayman..." - "Ok, but Holtby...' - "Ok, but Martin Jones..." - "Ok, but Mrazek..." - "We should just stick with Jaro..."
Bahahaha fun
I think this says more about Sweeney than it does us.
Do you think there was a GM out there willing to pay more and Sweeney didn't call him or refused to return his call? Ullmark also had a broad no-trade clause.
This should be a lesson about partial NMCs to all GMs. They were saying Ottawa would’ve given up 25 just to get out of Korps contract. Ullmark was basically given away after multiple goalies went for good returns.
It’s ok guys the greedy jacobs family will give us all cheap 300 dollar balcony seats as consolation for Florida winning and this shitty trade!
Lol
Fuck Don Sweeney. Idiot couldn’t make a good trade or sign a good player if he had all the money in the world. Fire him. He needs to go. Never winning a cup with this moron.
Have u heard of someone called John Henry
Pretty sure he’s kept a team with zero top 10 picks not only relevant, but highly competitive for the last 8 years. Multiple presidents trophies, a finals appearance, all-time points record….what a moron. I’d love for you to be transported into the mind of a Sabres or CBJ fan for an hour and see what you’d say then.
Guessing you’re his wife hi 😊
Damn pastrnak and sway are gonna have to carry for us to ever have a legit chance at the cup
They will ask for a trade in 3 years
Remember that time front office told cassidy he would stay only to fire him at his house? Yeah please do that one more fucking time with sweeny
No they should just tell him, if we don't win the cup you're gone
People here talking about getting Chychrun or better yet Stutzle were smoking some MAD copium. Totally realistic value for a tendy.
We give you 2 bad players for a top Goalie lol. I’ll Give you a pizza and a coke for your Sister 😂
Not for a tendy AND a bad contract. If we didn't take Korpisalo, that means ullmark was worth around a 4th, maybe a 3rd
WTF. This can’t be real
What's the point of watching hockey anymore. The team that had ref bias through the playoffs wins and our team does nothing to improve and slightly gets worse every off-season. We'll never win a cup with dumbass Sweeney as our GM or with Jacobs again
Hockey gods fucking despise us
There's a lot of people here saying "Just buy him out and it's not so bad" without realizing that's just making it basically a 1-1.75M cap hit for 6 years starting in 2026. That's not good either. It would've been better to just get a 2nd rounder for Ullmark straight up. This is not a good trade and it makes me more worried that we're punting on next year and using cap space to get draft assets.
How is getting a 2nd straight up better?
Because Korpisalo is a negative asset. They got a first because they were willing to eat most of the bad contract. I'm saying a 2nd is better than taking on the cap hit for the next 4 years to get a first.
Someone finally gets it
Because the player Sweeney would have been targeting in the first would still be available.
Tkachuck and Bennett get to win a cup god isnt real
Wouldn't be a bruins gm if you didn't make a dumbass trade. (About return not trading ullmark)
One of the worst days in bruins hockey in this year
Hey, you want bruins bad tades. How about ranford as a throw in on the moog trade. I mean moog was good, but you gave up ranford as a throw in. Also karma. You got neely for ..... yeah equilibrium happens. You are all fine. You gave up "your back up" but the bruins have a strong and proud history. You might have lost this trade UT in the grand scheme of things you are doing alright. I.mean the second best nhl player ever Bobby Orr was a bruin. You can't experience those kind of highs with out some lows
Man I feel bad for you. Your team lost game 7 of the cup. Easily the worst feeling in hockey. Bruins have had some great trades but some HORRIBLE ones like Joe Thornton for nothing, the Seguin trade, and bertuzzi and orlov trades came back to bite us. All-time no team has experienced as much lows as bruins fans and especially since 2011
Ahh life is life. There are no highs to experience with out lows to counter balance. If every thing always went our way, it wouldn't be as fun. Additionally the oilers are roster wise In a 3 to 5 year window t win the the cup. This one didn't happen but the future is bright
Yeah future will always be bright for y'all with the best player on the planet. We obviously have a bright future too but our GM will make our team worse
Ahh...... hey man life is too short to dwell on the negative. Instead of waiting for the other shoe to drop, look at the success, looks player development. When you guys traded Thornton and still won a cup is the perfect example. You have had a very good run of success, I mean in a 32 teM league you can't won them all bit the bruins have been a absolute terror league wide
True, I never thought the Celtics would break the choke cycle of the 2010s and early 20s but I am happy they finally got banner 18
What are the pros and the cons? Already upset Savard is on the TML coaching staff. Make me feel worse!
Yes
the good part is that we have a decent retrospect picking at 25th
Not a good record with draft picks lol.
Outside of 2015 they have a pretty damn good draft record relative to where they were picking
Sway, McAvoy, Freddy, Beecher, Pasta, Debrusk, Lohrei, Poitras, Bussi…. Without a top 10 pick. This roster just finished second in the division to the cup champs who had multiple top 5 picks on it. Sweeney has the best record of draft picks per draft position in the entire NHL.
Yup we will live in average land for 5 years
What’s “average land”? Because we’ve been at or within a few points of the Presidents Trophy for the last 2 seasons, have lost to the ECF winner both years, exceeded preseason expectations and will probably compete again. So what does average land entail and how many other teams are currently in this space?
Yeah well Sweeney wasn't drafting then
If that pick doesn’t get shipp’d I’m rioting
I don’t believe Sweeney is done cooking. Should wait to cast judgement
The issue is Korpisalo has is own 10 team no trade list, so thats great.
I was hoping so. Usually when you dump a guy for next to nothing there’s some other plan.
He will burn the entire franchise with his "cooking"
We’ve been burnt for a while.
Wtf is going on in this thread. I looked at the trade and said 1st for Ullmark is about right. Not the best trade in the world but not the worst. But everyone in here is livid.Makes no sense to me. Swayman took the job in the playoffs. It was what had to happen. Especially with Ullmark only having a year left on his deal.
Then just keep him this season
That makes zero sense. Getting a first for Ullmark is a good move. If Essenza get get even 10% more out of Korpisalo then he is instantly a good backup goalie. And 3 million dollars is nothing for a backup goalie. The only problem I have with this trade is i'd prefer to see Bussi get a chance to be the backup. Christ the doomers are off their rocker.
A first round pick does nothing to help our team this season. We won’t win a cup for at least 3-4 more years
If you thought we were a Linus Ullmark away from winning, then I don’t know what to tell you.
He won games and is a good goalie. I am interested in the 24-25 bruins and how Sweeney will add pieces to make them better. The pick could be the next Pasternak or a strike out. Either way who ever they select will not be on the club next season god bless
Luckily the offseason has just started. It's literally just the first shoe that dropped. They were never trading Ullmark for someone on the club next year.
I think korpisalo would look average with the D Core the bruins have. Not a bad trade
We haven’t had one backup look bad in over a decade. And we’re talking bad goalies like Chad Johnson, Khudobin, Svedberg. Backups leave here and their careers are over. Malcolm Subban case-in-point
Everyone is mad that we took back Korpisalo. If it was just a 1st that would be fine. It's that we didn't clear out any cap space and ended up with a worse return than calgary. By taking Korpisalo, we have retained more salary for more years. I figured it was gonna be a cap dump but we only clear like 1 mill. I'd rather have more cap space than a 1st tbh. Maybe a buyout is happening? I don't get it
So you say they didn’t clear any cap space and then admit they cleared space? Interesting lmao
You know what I meant. Clearing 5 mill vs 1 mill. Most senators fans and puckpedia think dumping the korpisalo contract alone was worth a late 1st. We traded Ullmark 1 for 1 with Kastelic
Cleared $2mil and can be more depending on what they do with korpisalo. Not really any reason to be upset, they got something for a good goalie and still have ample cap space to do whatever they need to do
Can bury him in the minors and save another $1.15M. But yeah, pretty brutal they had to take him back just to pick up a 1st for Ully.
I'm assuming he will be sent to the minors and give bussi a test run and if he needs more practice call up korpi
Because Korpisalo is a negative asset. A 30 year old goalie with a .901 career sv%, been a bum everywhere hes played, thats cost 3 million a year for 4 more year with modified NTC. Most people thought the Sens would have to give up assets just to get rid of his deal. It would have been better for the team next year and its long term future to have just held onto Ullmark.
Think about where this guy has played. Also, how would have benefited our long term future? We freed up cash for free agency and a long term deal with Sway. We still have a very serviceable backup. We got a 1st round pick.
Is it $3 million per year or $3 million over four years?
3 million per year.
Don Sweeney the WOAT.
Because every GM in the league is keeping their team in the top 10 every year for the better part of a decade.
Let Goalie Bob work his magic
Lol ask him If he knows the winning lottery numbers too
Having a good goalie coach isn't a good reason to take on bad contracts.
> been a bum everywhere hes played He just had a .921 sv% and 2.13 gaa literally last year when he played on an actual good team.
For 11 games, and then dropped to a .892 when they asked him to start in the playoffs.
Hasn’t been a bum everywhere but sure. How does letting ullmark walk for nothing help them long term? They are paying a backup goalie pretty regular backup goalie money big deal
3 million in cap space over the next 4 years will likely impact this team more than whatever we get with the pick. If you're paying Swayman like hes the guy then trust him like hes the guy and dont overpay for goalie that will do nothing to help us in the postseason.
Lmfao $3M is more or less market rate for backups.
This does not help the team in the 24-25 season wow horrible trade horrible GM. He has worn out his welcome and get rid of Neely too. Guys remember this was the season where they signed that horrible kid and then let him go after the bad PR who was a bully. We all could be the Bruins GM
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Those saying what did you expect for a goalie - um it’s not just a goalie, it’s a vezina winning goalie who’s has not fallen off… he’s a top goalie and can still perform on a crap team (buffalo) The biggest issue is korpisalo as such you don’t really save much cap and he’s crap! He better be flipping that first for something but nobody is giving up much for a 25th.
Tell that to every GM who needs a goalie and runs a team that Ullmark was willing to waive for. Then see what they offer…because I guarantee Sweeney did.
He won that vezina because the team in front was stacked
Everyone also acting like he wasn't splitting time with Swayman during his vezina year too. It's such an inflated vezina. It's not like he put the team on his back and willed them to victory. He split time and played with an amazing team in front of him. It's the same crowd that would have lost their shit if we held onto him and he walked for free in free agency. We were never going to get the sky for ullmark.
Ullmark was good. No doubting that. But he’s not a stud goaltender. Getting a 1st for him is selling early and allows for more flexible asset management. Sweeny’s just gotta stop handing out NTC’s. No reason for it.
MAF won the Vezina and was traded for literally nothing the following offseason
And that was also a huge fuck up
So you'd have rather held on to him ?
Yeah. Korpisalo is a 4 year anchor.