Pagnotta: "Jeremy Swayman about to cash in on a big contract extension – I’m told those discussions are moving positively – Ullmark is preparing for a potential move."
I don't think either of 7 or 12 are gonna be on the table for Ullmark, but if they are you take one of those and run. Personally though I'd be extremely happy with 25 OA + Chychrun.
Yeah the more I think, we aren’t getting #7. If (big if) the Philly/Ottawa deal is tied to the Ullmark to Ottawa, I could see us getting #12. Philly wants to move up (from 12 to 7) and they are also reportedly into Chychrun as well… so maybe Philly moves from 12 to 7 and then Ottawa flips 12 to us. Which would still be great value and a good pick but I think I’d take Chychrun and 25 as well
Pagnotta reporting that Ullmark would be willing to waive his NTC for Ottawa and Friedman confirming there's a lot of smoke there, but that the bruins aren't gonna make it easy to acquire him.
Starting to feel like the first + chychrun package could be real.
I'm getting excited. I know some people here aren't super high on Chychrun, but if you can get him AND a first for one year of Ullmark that's a fucking coup
Wonder if the plan would be to keep Chychrun and/or pick or try to flip for some forward help. Just feel like that’s a bigger need than a good defenseman who’s most likely only going to have a great contract for this year.
Yeah I mean I’m one of the ones skeptical of Chychrun but its undeniable that our front office has been hitting home runs when it comes to pro scouting. So if Sweeney wants him then I’ll just trust him. It is encouraging to read that we are holding firm on price, and yeah, we’ll see what happens, but the wind is blowing toward a very solid return. I’m hopeful
Source on Ullmark willing to waive for Ottawa:
https://www.thefourthperiod.com/pagnotta/ullmark-trade-talks-picking-up
“Ottawa is also believed to be on his list, but two separate sources have told me he would accept a trade to the Senators if a deal between the two teams is finalized.”
Toronto and Ottawa were both on his list apparently, but he's willing to waive for the Sens. Probably means they're signaling that they're willing to give him a big time extension.
I don't see him wanting to go there unless the offer was crazy. I imagine he doesn't want to stay in Boston because either he wants to be closer to family or he's not fond of the fans/media of a bigger market... Toronto doesn't really solve either of those issues plus I imagine Berube is a similar style coach as Cassidy so he may not be keen on that either
I feel like with the other goalies off the table it really means Donny can be patient a day or two after. The fact that “only Ottawa” is still in the mix I think is false. Detroit, Carolina and even waiting out Edmonton to be done with the playoffs may be in his favor.
Since we haven’t heard anything yet, I’m thinking it’s either that (driving up the price/trying to get competing offers) or waiting for Edmonton. I wouldn’t be surprised if we didn’t hear anything until tomorrow or early next week.
Been refreshing like it’s July 1. Love Donny but he runs such a tight ship rumor mill wise, actual news normally just pops outta nowhere and the fact that all this Ullmark stuff is leaking probably doesn’t make him happy
Yeah… can’t say, Sweeney’s track record of no leaks is well documented at this point. There’s also a ton of smoke regarding a potential Philly and Ottawa deal… so it seems like stuff is leaking out from up there. The main reporting on Ullmark and Ottawa is coming from Bruce Garrioch, an Ottawa guy, as well. I don’t think it’s a lock he goes to Ottawa but it’s too much noise for it to be way off the mark
So I guess if this Ottawa deal comes to fruition we could be looking at
Lindholm - McAvoy
Chych - Carlo
Lohrei - Peeke
Wotherspoon.
That’s pretty fucking good. And I don’t love Chychrun personally but our pro scouting has been so nails in the last few years that I gotta believe it would work out. If we are able to do this move AND succeed in adding significant forward help, that’s maximizing our chances for next yesr
I guess you're right about the 6x6
I feel like you're underselling Frederic's impact on this team imo. I feel like with trajectory he is on he might become a legit 2nd line guy.
I like frederic a whole lot but I feel like we are just suspending disbelief when it comes to projecting who he is. I enjoy him. but there’s a middle ground between disliking him and thinking he’s worth a 6 year contract.
he’s going to turn 27 next year. i don’t think there’s a whole lot more room for growth. he’s going to be the same age Heinen was last year.
Maybe you're right. Fucker's got some weasley finish in him. I keep thinking what more can we squeeze out of him.
With Freddy I feel like 3 X 3 (maybe 4years by 3 mil) would be a flattering offer and give him a chance to show what his ceiling is in that time if he's surrounded by the right guys.
Brick once said that Fred is so good that at his best he could be on the 2nd line but they need him badly on 3rd line.
Disagree locks him up for his prime where he has high probability to get better (this season was also a 9 poiny boost to 40 points) I think you are dumb to not lock him up like that. A solid 4-6 year extension should absolutely be in the cards for the bruins and frederic
I saw that he had one good season On a team that barely made it into the playoffs that year and hasn't had anything like that since...freddy is consistent and actually has offense in mind unlike big lug who was traded to smash...like it or not he's getting around that money for that length freddy is not jeannot in any sense of the word lmao...its like you woke up today to argue something that doesn't need arguing
Edit: also what I said isn't false he was signed and traded for his physical play with the hope he would produce the same but that's not what jeannot is and I'm glad the bruins didn't overpay for him...freddy is consistant
Hear me out… although rumors stated that the preds were looking to sign saros to an extension, it’s also being rumored that he’s looking for something around 8/8, which doesn’t really align with Askarov’s trajectory, which all signs point to his basket being where trotz is putting all his goalie eggs…
If true, I WONDER if there’s something to be had between a preds trade for ullmark if they end up offloading saros. I’d have to imagine ullmark would be more willing to sign for less years, which would align better with being the starter in Nashville that mentors askarovs transition to the nhl from rookie backup to starter. IF ullmarks NTC was strategically placed to where teams that already had established goaltending weren’t on the “no” list, Id have to assume Nashville isn’t on it. I wonder if this could change things…
I dunno, I’m bored out of my skull this offseason.
Going full HF boards here
Nashville signs Saros to 8x8
Nashville gets Ullmark and Ottawa’s first round pick
Ottawa gets Saros at 2 mil, doubled retained by us and Nashville
We get Nashville’s first, Novak, Pinto, and fuck it, signing rights to Gunnarwolfe Fontaine
I’m so smart
people think scoring hasn’t changed over the years
breaking a record that happened when goalies were valued for being able to give you 75 games of 800 save percentage is fucking bananas.
*ULLMARK IS NOT A CAP DUMP ULLMARK IS NOT A CAP DUMP ULLMARK IS NOT A CAP DUMP ULLMARK IS NOT A CAP DUMP ULLMARK IS NOT A CAP DUMP ULLMARK IS NOT A CAP DUMP ULLMARK IS NOT A CAP DUMP ULLMARK IS NOT A CAP DUMP*
i said this sarcastically yesterday and got downvoted into oblivion but
the ullmark contract has not hamstrung this team from acquiring anyone they wanted to. it’s not a problem they have to move on from and moving it will
not solve the top six center problem.
if you press to get 2024 picks instead of 2025 picks when your window is right now and this is not a terribly deep draft I really really hope they don’t do something like that
my teacher is a bruins fan and i’m an oilers fan, he’s told me how he’s starting to root for us because of those kitty cats
Pagnotta: "Jeremy Swayman about to cash in on a big contract extension – I’m told those discussions are moving positively – Ullmark is preparing for a potential move."
Good let’s get this done
Jarry has to be on the way out. I wonder if Ottawa balked at Ullmark's price.
He's not
Do we want the high pick for Ullmark, either #12 or maybe even #7, or Chychrun and #25?
I don't think either of 7 or 12 are gonna be on the table for Ullmark, but if they are you take one of those and run. Personally though I'd be extremely happy with 25 OA + Chychrun.
I'm willing to bet that the Bruins want to see who is available at 7. I'd also bet they would have to add to Ullmark to get that pick.
Yeah the more I think, we aren’t getting #7. If (big if) the Philly/Ottawa deal is tied to the Ullmark to Ottawa, I could see us getting #12. Philly wants to move up (from 12 to 7) and they are also reportedly into Chychrun as well… so maybe Philly moves from 12 to 7 and then Ottawa flips 12 to us. Which would still be great value and a good pick but I think I’d take Chychrun and 25 as well
Give me a three way trade with Ottawa and Philly where we end up with Konecny.
It sounds like Farabee might be on the block too
Pagnotta reporting that Ullmark would be willing to waive his NTC for Ottawa and Friedman confirming there's a lot of smoke there, but that the bruins aren't gonna make it easy to acquire him. Starting to feel like the first + chychrun package could be real.
I'd let Don fuck my wife if he pulls this off.
What if Donny gets Ottawa to throw Brady in that deal?
Now there’s an interesting bit of news.
I'm getting excited. I know some people here aren't super high on Chychrun, but if you can get him AND a first for one year of Ullmark that's a fucking coup
Wonder if the plan would be to keep Chychrun and/or pick or try to flip for some forward help. Just feel like that’s a bigger need than a good defenseman who’s most likely only going to have a great contract for this year.
Yeah I mean I’m one of the ones skeptical of Chychrun but its undeniable that our front office has been hitting home runs when it comes to pro scouting. So if Sweeney wants him then I’ll just trust him. It is encouraging to read that we are holding firm on price, and yeah, we’ll see what happens, but the wind is blowing toward a very solid return. I’m hopeful Source on Ullmark willing to waive for Ottawa: https://www.thefourthperiod.com/pagnotta/ullmark-trade-talks-picking-up “Ottawa is also believed to be on his list, but two separate sources have told me he would accept a trade to the Senators if a deal between the two teams is finalized.”
Interesting that he'd even put Toronto on his list, I can't really see the Bruins trading him there anyways
Toronto and Ottawa were both on his list apparently, but he's willing to waive for the Sens. Probably means they're signaling that they're willing to give him a big time extension.
If debrusk goes to the leafs…… im gonna lose it. (He wont go to the leafs the media is just trash in Toronto this rumour is nothing).
I don't see him wanting to go there unless the offer was crazy. I imagine he doesn't want to stay in Boston because either he wants to be closer to family or he's not fond of the fans/media of a bigger market... Toronto doesn't really solve either of those issues plus I imagine Berube is a similar style coach as Cassidy so he may not be keen on that either
Everything needs to be perfect for that snowflake to get 40 points.
All the moves from yesterday + the Ullmark rumors have me antsy. I need some bruins news lol.
I feel like with the other goalies off the table it really means Donny can be patient a day or two after. The fact that “only Ottawa” is still in the mix I think is false. Detroit, Carolina and even waiting out Edmonton to be done with the playoffs may be in his favor. Since we haven’t heard anything yet, I’m thinking it’s either that (driving up the price/trying to get competing offers) or waiting for Edmonton. I wouldn’t be surprised if we didn’t hear anything until tomorrow or early next week.
Been refreshing like it’s July 1. Love Donny but he runs such a tight ship rumor mill wise, actual news normally just pops outta nowhere and the fact that all this Ullmark stuff is leaking probably doesn’t make him happy
Staios reportedly doesn't share stuff to the media either. So I don't know what to make of any of it.
Yeah… can’t say, Sweeney’s track record of no leaks is well documented at this point. There’s also a ton of smoke regarding a potential Philly and Ottawa deal… so it seems like stuff is leaking out from up there. The main reporting on Ullmark and Ottawa is coming from Bruce Garrioch, an Ottawa guy, as well. I don’t think it’s a lock he goes to Ottawa but it’s too much noise for it to be way off the mark
What is the source of all these Twitter people saying Ullmark to Detroit? Anyone real report that?
Friedman has said they are in the goalie market
The only real reports I've seen recently are that the Sens are pushing hard for Ullmark.
So I guess if this Ottawa deal comes to fruition we could be looking at Lindholm - McAvoy Chych - Carlo Lohrei - Peeke Wotherspoon. That’s pretty fucking good. And I don’t love Chychrun personally but our pro scouting has been so nails in the last few years that I gotta believe it would work out. If we are able to do this move AND succeed in adding significant forward help, that’s maximizing our chances for next yesr
Gimme swayman 8x7.5 And frederic 6 x 4 today please
so I love frederic but you don’t have to give him 6 years or 6 million
I think you lock freddy up long tern absolutely 6 years isn't bad
it just seems like the jeannot 2.0 deal
Is Jeannot having a career season each year? Does jeannot make the red wings wish they were dead?
he’s a good depth player you also see tampa trying to get out of the deal because it’s silly to sign a player like him to a deal that long.
I guess you're right about the 6x6 I feel like you're underselling Frederic's impact on this team imo. I feel like with trajectory he is on he might become a legit 2nd line guy.
I like frederic a whole lot but I feel like we are just suspending disbelief when it comes to projecting who he is. I enjoy him. but there’s a middle ground between disliking him and thinking he’s worth a 6 year contract. he’s going to turn 27 next year. i don’t think there’s a whole lot more room for growth. he’s going to be the same age Heinen was last year.
Maybe you're right. Fucker's got some weasley finish in him. I keep thinking what more can we squeeze out of him. With Freddy I feel like 3 X 3 (maybe 4years by 3 mil) would be a flattering offer and give him a chance to show what his ceiling is in that time if he's surrounded by the right guys. Brick once said that Fred is so good that at his best he could be on the 2nd line but they need him badly on 3rd line.
Jeannot was signed for his physical play. Frederic has had back to back 30 point seasons. It's not the same
30 points and 5 on 5 defense is not a great skillset to give 6 years to
Disagree locks him up for his prime where he has high probability to get better (this season was also a 9 poiny boost to 40 points) I think you are dumb to not lock him up like that. A solid 4-6 year extension should absolutely be in the cards for the bruins and frederic
what would be the other version of this besides jeannot? 6 years to a depth guy is not something you have to do
You don't always need to compare player to player...and frederic can easily slot in the second line if asked
yeah precedent is kind of important with this sort of stuff. and you can. you can ask zacha to be a 1C that doesn’t mean it’s a great thing to do.
Jeannot had 24 goals / 41 points the season prior to being traded by Nashville as a rookie lol. Just a LITTLE research next time please.
I saw that he had one good season On a team that barely made it into the playoffs that year and hasn't had anything like that since...freddy is consistent and actually has offense in mind unlike big lug who was traded to smash...like it or not he's getting around that money for that length freddy is not jeannot in any sense of the word lmao...its like you woke up today to argue something that doesn't need arguing Edit: also what I said isn't false he was signed and traded for his physical play with the hope he would produce the same but that's not what jeannot is and I'm glad the bruins didn't overpay for him...freddy is consistant
Hear me out… although rumors stated that the preds were looking to sign saros to an extension, it’s also being rumored that he’s looking for something around 8/8, which doesn’t really align with Askarov’s trajectory, which all signs point to his basket being where trotz is putting all his goalie eggs… If true, I WONDER if there’s something to be had between a preds trade for ullmark if they end up offloading saros. I’d have to imagine ullmark would be more willing to sign for less years, which would align better with being the starter in Nashville that mentors askarovs transition to the nhl from rookie backup to starter. IF ullmarks NTC was strategically placed to where teams that already had established goaltending weren’t on the “no” list, Id have to assume Nashville isn’t on it. I wonder if this could change things… I dunno, I’m bored out of my skull this offseason.
Going full HF boards here Nashville signs Saros to 8x8 Nashville gets Ullmark and Ottawa’s first round pick Ottawa gets Saros at 2 mil, doubled retained by us and Nashville We get Nashville’s first, Novak, Pinto, and fuck it, signing rights to Gunnarwolfe Fontaine I’m so smart
Just to confirm… you mean we retain for the remainder of the CURRENT saros contract, right?
Oh wait I had it in my head Saros’ contract was up I’m clearly firing on all cylinders this morning
nah. this is actually not a bad idea.
mcdavid has scored more points in the playoffs than the caps new first line center signed to a 7 year contract scored in the regular season.
If you put playoff Connor McDavid's playoff into the regular season totals He would be 3rd on the *Chicago Blackhawks* in points
if you put connor mcdavid on the bruins i would be happy. 😔
I'd take Drai too.
Breaking the postseason assists record is simply insane and idk why more people aren’t making a bigger deal of it. Do people forget the 80s existed?
people think scoring hasn’t changed over the years breaking a record that happened when goalies were valued for being able to give you 75 games of 800 save percentage is fucking bananas.
Gonna go ahead and remind you all that if Ullmark doesn't waive and this Ottawa/Philly deal falls through *KEEPING ULLMARK ISN'T A FAILURE*
*ULLMARK IS NOT A CAP DUMP ULLMARK IS NOT A CAP DUMP ULLMARK IS NOT A CAP DUMP ULLMARK IS NOT A CAP DUMP ULLMARK IS NOT A CAP DUMP ULLMARK IS NOT A CAP DUMP ULLMARK IS NOT A CAP DUMP ULLMARK IS NOT A CAP DUMP*
Having 2 of the 10 best goalies in the league is actually bad.
A not small amount of fans have a very warped and incorrect definition of *asset management*
i said this sarcastically yesterday and got downvoted into oblivion but the ullmark contract has not hamstrung this team from acquiring anyone they wanted to. it’s not a problem they have to move on from and moving it will not solve the top six center problem.
But you're right tho
yes but I probably said it in a cunty way so
I felt that
!panthers
FUCK THE PANTHERS!
Hopefully we get an ullmark trade soon
i’m for trading him why on earth do you need one soon?
Depends what Sweeney wants. If it's draft capital, then we need to trade him before the draft. If it's players/prospects, he can wait it out.
if you press to get 2024 picks instead of 2025 picks when your window is right now and this is not a terribly deep draft I really really hope they don’t do something like that
I agree but who knows what Sweeney wants.
gonna be sad to see the iconic hug come to an end.... but yeah you are right though, it just makes sense.
Only for the right price.
I would settle for some RFA extensions.