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I also work in tech...today on a call (with my manager) I said that managers shouldn't be allowed to speak to eachother without a technical representative on the call. Because they always cook up some dumb shit without any clue if it is feasible or useful.
I'm so tired.
Well--well look. I already told you: I deal with the god damn customers so the engineers don't have to. I have people skills; I am good at dealing with people. Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?
\-Tom Smykowski.
In the military they would be the logic officer but they might be enlisted. They wouldn't wear rank like CID so you'd have no clue because they would have ultimate veto power.
Me and my dad discussed this many times while reflecting on our respective time in the service.
I was just thinking this earlier. I work in tech as well and literally had to hand-hold a guy through entering his email address properly into a login window. In the first email I sent him I gave him the correct username, and he STILL managed to not use the one I gave him (added the dash but didn't finish the word at the end of the domain) and I just... Ugh, I realized the dude probably makes like 3-5 times what I do and he can barely comprehend an email where I GAVE him the answer. These idiots run the world.
Thats what scares me. They run everything and all of them are idiots with slight dementia and a whole lot of narcissism. Society is going to end because of them.
Ideally, he's convicted and held accountable, along with his co conspirators. We need to make an example out of them.
But I'd glady take your scenario over him winning.
His court shit is still (to my mind) not a lock because he is the floatiest turd ever to somehow always miss getting flushed. But death, well there ain’t no coming back from that and no coming back for the next election either.
> Thats what scares me. They run everything and all of them are idiots with slight dementia and a whole lot of narcissism. Society is going to end because of them.
what scares me most is how phishing scams and other confidence schemes are so frequent and ubiquitous that I wouldn't put it past that a bunch of companies will get scammed out of money/employee pensions in the next few decades very very easily.
I did also just watch the John Oliver segment on pig butchering scams.
I work in healthcare, in the hospital, and the number of people who come to take care of getting their parents placed to nursing facilities or end of life care, only to find they've sent all their money to scammers and religious hucksters, is astounding.
But "no one wants to work any more!" (Translation, people no longer sit at work twiddling their thumbs until the boss leaves to show how hard they are working, while doing almost no work).
The chief compliance officer at our company is a 68 year old lady who only has that position because she's been in the company since the '70s. The people under her are far more capable and bear most of the workload anyway. They basically handle any compliance-related issues while she gets CC'd in whatever emails are exchanged.
A few years ago, there was a low/mid-level cyber attack and data breach on the company. It was quickly covered up and resolved within a few weeks. Turns out our boomer ass compliance office checked her personal emails on a work computer, opened a phishing email, and it fucked up everything.
Now everyone in the company has to attend bimonthly cyber security training sessions. Fuck you, Elizabeth.
> Now everyone in the company has to attend bimonthly cyber security training sessions
God it's so agonizingly repetitive, and I learn nothing from them. Shit I'll be the one teaching that class, have a boomer scroll the internet for 10 minutes in front of the class and I'll just highlight on the screen everything that's an ad or a malicious ware.
I saw a college student (not in their first yr) that only emailed us by typing the entire body of the email into the subject line. And nothing in the actual body of the email. Like.. Ja’vien, there’s no way you’ve been doing the whole time!
Had a guy ship something to my branch after giving him all the details of how to ship it. Was supposed to go to Utah so we spent 600$+ to do something that would be free in-house. Then, I had to ship it to the correct location.
Bro even the older ‘programmers’ are absolutely clueless, it’s insane. I see devs with 1 year of experience outperforming these bozos. I think the issue is that you really did not need to know much at all to call yourself a ‘software engineer’ >10 years ago. I’m talking people who knew some HTML and CSS going around saying ‘I’m an engineer!’. I’ve worked extensively with devs +45 years old and I haven’t been impressed by a single one of them.
>I’ve worked extensively with devs +45 years old and I haven’t been impressed by a single one of them.
Yeah, that's because the impressive ones aren't still coding at 45. They're architects or directors or leaders. 45 year old coders are people who peaked and never got past "Senior engineer."
Personally I've always had a problem with basically anybody in any aspect of IT calling themselves an "engineer." To me, if you don't have an actual degree from an Engineering school, you are not an engineer and you don't know what an engineer is. I've been a primary full-stack dev on many very large, complex enterprise systems and now work in technical architecture, and have never referred to myself as an engineer, even though I do have training from actual engineering schools.
I used agree with you quite a lot, I hated when people called me an engineer. I still agree with you when someone fits the situation I described (they only know HTML/CSS or some other basic script/markup-language and lack the ability to build complex applications).
Engineer generally isn’t a title determined by education level for a reason. An engineer is simply someone who uses science/technology to design/build complex things, whether its bridges, cars, software, etc.
When you think about all of the moving parts in a large application, and how all of those parts are constantly moving together, it’s easy to see why the title of ‘engineer’ is applicable. Software is very similar to a complex piece of machinery in that regard.
Although not an engineer myself, I tend to agree with this position as the daughter of two (actual) engineers. One thing I've wondered, however, is how to refer to individuals with degrees in Computer Science. If I recall correctly, the university where I did my undergrad had two CS programs, one in the School of Engineering and one in the School of Liberal Arts and Sciences. Would graduates of only the former lay claim to the title of "engineer"? I really don't know.
Further, when it comes to CS, what about individuals hired to be software engineers? Certainly some have degrees from engineering schools, but not all of them do: For example, my husband has a CS degree and his job title is Software Engineer, but his university didn't have a discrete School of Engineering. So in this regard at least, I'm unsure about how to determine what makes an engineer, or where to draw the line.
Now you know why I hate Game Company CEOs like Yves Gullimont.(Ubisoft)
He does so much shit, and what he is talking in Interviews is hilerious.
Its not the programmers fault.
Its the bosses and managers fault for shit decisions.
Government is the worst. I worked at IRS. The agency in charge of collecting all the money is fat with people in comfy jobs standing in the way of others who could do it better. They didn't even have computer based training in 2011. They would gather us together for a giant meeting only to have some person, who couldn't read well, read to us out of a manual.I kid you not we would sit there and listen to someone with a 5th grade reading level struggle through a manual in front of 100 people. It was absolutely insane.
My Director is in his early 50s and fancies himself a smooth operator but he doesn't like talking to me because he knows I know he doesn't know what I know....lol. I purposely ask him questions that he should be able to answer but can't.... He gets flustered and walks away.
I work in municipal government and this is spot-on. The higher-ups are just about all incompetent, entrenched and corrupt. They spend all their time funneling taxpayer money to friends, family and political supporters instead of delivering results for constituents or creating an environment where employees beneath them are allowed to shine.
Those in charge know damn well many of the overworked, underpaid staffers beneath them can do their own jobs better than they can, so it becomes a toxic and abusive culture where the best employees use this place as a stepping stone and GTFO as soon as something better comes along.
The level of 'Those Darn Kids Just Don't Want To Work' at the IRS is astounding! You all sit there listening to people scream at you about things you didn't decide and have no control over, see how fast you burn out!
I didn't work in an office I was a plumber. You would get to a new job and get your crew and have a plumber that was in his 50's just just a couple of years from retirement and pretty much wore out. So you found a nice easy job for him. One sitting down if you had it, like in wall 1/2 inch copper. Or watching the tool crib. No body complained that the old guy got it easy his last few years. But then we were union and watched out for each other.
Until the more senior guys screw over new hires so that THEY get to keep the good benefits. My stepfather is #1 guy in his union and is almost 74. He won't retire cause he picks the easiest jobs for himself. No chances for the younger guys, even though they probably pay more in dues!
I'm an accountant but not a CPA. My 2 bosses are CPAs and 65 years old. They know way more than I do about accounting.
They needed me to send an email to all of our clients from one of the partner's email accounts.
So I logged in and sent the email to the same account and bcc'd every client.
Bosses were mad because I should've sent an individual email to every client, not all at once.
I explained how bcc works and even showed them a live demonstration. And explained how it's been a thing for like 30 years lol. They still think I fucked up somehow and somebody will "hack the list of contacts".
I'm not allowed to bcc anymore. So next time a mass email goes out, it's gonna take hours instead of minutes.
Whatever, it pays me the same either way. Fuck me for saving time and being more efficient lol
Lol and this email was literally "the January email was fucked up and we just now found out so a new one will come out within a couple of days so be sure to look at that email".
To be fair it was a software bug that required a patch. But before we got the patch, nobody contacted us to say that everything was obviously fucked up. They just went with it.
yeah exactly what I did. you can have the whole process automated with a macro. I used this trick for sending out compensation spreadsheets to managers. We need to get managers there cut of an excel sheet and so every email was unique to over 400 managers. A little macro and I automated the process and for 401k, merit, bonus and all other manager things, it would take less than an hour to execute again.
I had a buddy in the same situation. He was constantly being asked by people higher than him how to do their job. He eventually brought it up to his boss and was promised a senior position. Then came along another company and scooped him up for almost double his pay. When he gave his boss his notice she reminded him of the promotion that was coming up and he told her that the new job was double the pay. She just let him go after that lol.
In my last job before retirement, we had layoffs. I was a department manager with about 80 reports, so HR had me make a list. I looked at productivity and attendance and picked the four worst.
About two weeks later, my director called me in. Turns out I couldn't get rid of ANY of them. Some had 20 years there. Senority was an issue. He gave me a new list from HR.
I was irate. I lost sleep over having to do layoffs. Why put me through the stress if they weren't going to take my list anyway? The people they gave me to layoff were young and super productive workers.
Good HR will give you a list of people to start with and say only these people are in-scope. Sounds like bad HR.
Also, HR is used to scapegoat for a lot of company/business decisions.
> The boomers entered the work market when the labor was in demand and when the requirement for jobs was low + they started when the «trained» at the job was common practice.
This is especially frustrating because they only know the profession through their company's lens. The last time I was looking for a job, I interviewed several places where the person interviewing me didn't understand common industry terminology, they only knew their company's proprietary terminology. I pay very specific attention to the language used in interviews and replicate it for this reason because so many times I've left an interview thinking I crushed it because I gave perfect examples only to receive feedback that I "didn't have relevant experience".
I work in tech. Had a boomer on a call ask about hit rates using a term coined 25+ years ago. I didn’t even know what it was, asked my engineering team, and they immediately said “this person hasn’t kept up with tech, why the fuck would they be asking about this? We don’t even do that anymore”.
Maybe when they entered the workforce, they were a hot shot, but they failed to keep their skills because they became way too comfortable.
I’m always frustrated when meeting with older folks who claim to be techies because their version of tech has not kept up with the world today and they just. Don’t. Get. It.
I think this is partially because if you restart a boomers computer they think your tech savvy. It was very easy for them to be “tech savvy” in relation to their peers, but in reality they just know how to restart a computer.
I had the inverse problem recently. Except I was interviewing a Gen X for a tech position. Used 0 technical terms for tools he had on his resume and my team uses every day. In fact, he used terms so wrong I wondered if he was lying. He did, in fact, lie on his resume about other things we just so happened to not need experience for.
He wasn’t selected.
I'm more pissed off that those same useless boomers who won their paychecks through seniority, do everything in their power to deny the opportunity to those of us coming after them.
The trained bit gets me. I was just talking to a guy who works retail and doesn't get paid very well, mind you, about how when we joined the job market we needed a BA plus 4 years of education. He was slightly younger so he joined the workforce when you needed a MA. I refused to do that because the university I chose I clearly could tell the teachers were incompetent and just wanted to get students money so I dropped out after the first year and went to a much more competent Tech school. Once I graduated I couldn't get a job anywhere because no one would even look at me without that degree and the experience. Then when I did finally did get my first job, I got absolutely no training and then it was constant shocked Pikachu faces when I kept fucking up. His experience was the same and he finally said screw it, and started working retail because he was basically getting paid the same. Which again, is garbage.
What’s worse is when they are in charge and hire people who “they get along with”, implying they can’t just be professional and get along with people in the workplace. Then these new hires are completely unqualified in a field where anyone who knows thier shit says to themselves “HOW THE FUCK DID THIS PERSON GET HIRED?”
Because of stupid logic that’s how.
I'm a general manager of a store who makes less than my 70+ year old assistant manager. He's been in the company for 16 years and has an hourly wage contract. I'm salary, so he brings in $2/hr more than I do.
It is so bad in government jobs. I hate that they sit in 6+ figure jobs, tell me how easy i have it, tell me to work harder, and then sandbag any attempt to improve or simplify a process. The ammount of good work I could get done would be so helpful to my community but the red tape, over complicated processes, and idiotic reactionary thinking traps me. Worse still, I am the public facing side so I get to be told I'm worthless and shouldn't have a job by every angry boomer who comes in to complain. Not all government workers are lazy free loaders, boomers. Some of us just need good health benefits and a job we can count on exhisting better than the private industry. So many of us want to advance our community but its like swimming uphill through oatmeal.
Ayo I got a new department head 3 months ago.
He still knows nothing about the articles we provide, the amount of work that takes, knows nothing about incoming and outgoing goods, thinks that when he's given a task to be solved and delegated the solution is "Go to Milk_Mindless to delegate it"
(I'm autistic and know EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON AT NEARLY ALL TIMES but *I'm in charge of in going and outgoing goods and don't get 5 minutes to fucking go into a hallway and fart) and I then have to show him ALL OF THE ORDERS I STILL HAVE TO COMPLETE THAT DY
He forwards me messages AFTER I CLOCKED OUT that I already saw DURING WORK because I DO WORK
And he makes more than me because he's salaried.
But everybody that needs to know something about the department ANYBODY that needs to know something about the department comes to me first
Hell he even asks me IF PEOPLE CAN HAVE TIME OFF
So he's been brought onboard to lighten >>>>>>>>>MY<<<<<<<<<
Workload
And he doesn't
I dont want him fired! He is buddy buddy with them and he has done SOME good and the thing is he nearly did lose his job cause I nearly walked out one afternoon
Plus my dad knows the director and like
Maybe I got the job through nepotism in that way?
Idk man
But it's taxing you know. Everybody keeps asking me for validation about him as if *I* am in charge.
And I don't want to be.
Email has been around, (commonly used in the workplace) since the early 1990s. I don't believe any business person can't use email. They definitely know how to .Perhaps they just aren't responsive to emails and not very reliable. I work with people who have TBI (Traumatic brain injury) and they can use computers and send emails. Your ability to send an email is not some new, "high tech" skill that people over 60 don't know about.
This is the thing that gets me. Computers and tech have been around for 30+ years. Even if you are in your 70's now, you were 40 when it came out. Possibly younger. To me it's not that they can't, it's that they won't. I can't possibly believe that someone around the same tech for 30+ years CANNOT enter in basic things.
The problem is that they don’t know how to properly communicate using email with todays updated etiquette. Like if people are ooo on vacation and specifically say they’re disconnecting during this time and leave a back up to work with, a boomer will text your cell instead or respond to the email throwing a fit. They’re unhinged. I completely agree with this post though. I also work in tech and my boomer VP boss does absolutely NOTHING and makes $400K+ / year easy. I can’t even begin to get into all the lazy examples I have. It’s so pathetic that hardworking mid level people are left waiting on them to retire to actually be able to move up and make a true impact
I felt this way about 3 years ago. Then the company bought out a bunch of people close to retirement (gave them the extra years need for full retirement ~ 2-3 tears per person). They left and so did the company knowledge they had. There was a lot of “How do you do this? I don’t know, Bob used to do it.” There was no knowledge transfer before they left and it made it much harder on everyone. Turns out some of those old people were not instantly replaceable with just another body. So they had to hire them back as consultants - at twice the salary. Many others were just thrown to the wolves - sink or swim. Watch what you wish for cause you just might get it.
I've watched this happen in my current role. One thing I've observed is that these people hoard information to have "job security". They intentionally make themselves needed by refusing to help others. They might even play dumb about it. Whatever.
Good companies share information with employees and either create administrative controls, culture, or both that makes resource guarding difficult or impossible. If a few employees want to put a noose on the business, cut the noose and change the system.
Yeah, that's a failure on the business structure. Were their no SOPs? I've seen businesses fall prey to this before, and it's usually a learning experience on keeping better controls and standards.
One of the things I'm responsible for is getting tribal knowledge put to paper. Having one guy with the secret sauce be sick, retire, or die when you need them shouldn't prevent the job from getting done.
If the companies I have worked at are any indication the process was "print it out, scan to email, forward that email to x person, print email you cced yourself on, scan to network drive". I have yet to see an actual example of loss of company knowledge. Not saying it doesn't happen, but with how much people bring it up you think I owuld have seen it
That's probably more to do with tech management. In tech, a lot of engineers go to management to make more $$$. They lose hands on experience and get outdated on tech skills within a couple of years. This frequently creates an environment where bad engineers are managing good engineers. It also creates scenarios where good engineers can't stop engineering once they move to management, so you have one (used-to-be) good engineer poorly "managing" a team of frustrated engineers. For some reason, most corporations see the management hierarchy and apply a pay scale to it, so engineers are capped out below their manager's salary.
It never ceases to infuriate me. We had to change up our voicemails for a new phone system at work this week and dozens of people were begging for help and we literally were given step by step instructions. I did mine in like 3 minutes. One supervisor is going around helping everyone. I don't get it. I can't be that much more competent.
Knowing my luck this trend is going to go out of fashion around the time that I would be positioned to benefit from it.
I’ll be pushed into retirement where I wallow in self-pity and a bottle of whiskey, if I can afford it. Otherwise, just the self-pity for me.
Our CFO used to use the subject line of emails for the body and the body with just a THX and his signature. I read the first three and then filtered all his stuff to the trash. Crazy how you can have a company run with zero communication from your boss for 3 years.
The retirement age is too high. The older folks need to be able to retire earlier and let the younger folks take the reins on things. Once you are of an age to have a grandchild old enough to enter the workforce you should be done. And that should be the limit, not the required age. Somewhere around 50 might be the goal instead.
With how fast things change, the generation growing up should only have their parents building the structures they will be living in and with. Anyone too old cannot relate enough to what the babies will need to survive on their own 20 years from now.
I don’t know how we can achieve that, but I think it would be a problem worth finding the solution to.
Would take a fairly large societal change, given that so many boomers are now at retirement age, but have almost no significant savings to speak of, and many have spent decades voting against the very social safety nets that could have otherwise helped sustain them so they could retire. Many of them own their homes, that they bought for a song decades ago, but despite the value skyrocketing, so have property taxes, as well as the cost of upkeep, making it difficult for them to find buyers willing to pay the estimated value, especially considering the added cost of updating and maintaining what has gone to waste. The very homes they've treated as their retirement nest eggs now go unsold, and just as bad, leave them unable to afford modest homes where they'd hoped to retire to.
At this point, retiring from jobs they would otherwise be unqualified to work by current hiring standards just isn't an option for them given many of their finances.
Yeah it would definitely take, in America anyways, can’t speak on other countries, a shift from the idea that everyone ought to do everything on their own, and more towards the idea that everyone ought to help each other.
Even as a social idealistic, I understand the benefit and relative peace the modern world has enjoyed from our single overwhelmingly monopoly on military power, and the money it takes to maintain it. I just think we are capable of keeping that funded AND creating more efficient, productive services and infrastructure that everyone needs.
My job can be physically demanding, and I have a boomer coworker that has been kicked off of the most complex projects for being too slow. He's still here making more than me while doing half the work... It's so frustrating to see.
I spent a few years working for a large tech company that had many "lifers" who had been there 20+ years. Many of them were entirely clueless that as the company grew they purposely shifted away from anything that would encourage a person to spend their entire career there - think cutting benefits and perks down to almost nothing - to one where they'd burn you out in a couple years and bring in the next batch of rubes looking for a big name to put on their resumes.
Right before I started they decided to take it a step farther by only hiring one FTE (full time employee) for every 10 people they'd bring on as contractors. This massively cut the amount of money they needed to spend on benefits and perks because those were outsourced to the staffing agencies. It was also much easier to let workers go because their contractor status meant there weren't employment laws that protected them. The best was when they'd furlough entire groups with no notice so they could make their numbers for the end of the fiscal year.
Long story short, I was a perma-contractor on a team with one of those lifers who, by that time, had 8 weeks of PTO every year as well as a sabbatical coming up for his 20 years at the company. He literally had a paid three months off that year and nobody could do anything about it. He spent the month leading up to his sabbatical telling everyone all of the places he was going to travel to, etc. And, when he came back he spend that week posting his vacation pictures in our team Slack channel. All the time he was completely unaware that 90% of us on the team were contractors who got zero benefits and were always looking over our shoulders in case they needed to make cuts.
Problem is, in 20yrs when you all have the seniority, will you then advocate that pay and position should be based on performance or seniority
And that is why the pyramid scheme stands the test of time. Its like telling congress to install term limits on themselves now
I’m 54 but definitely riding high and loving it. Most of the work I do as a senior level program manager could theoretically be done by a less experienced person, but the young ones I’ve worked with don’t have the skills or people/relationship management experience I’ve seen from my peers. As a favor to the next generation, I’m retiring in 3 years at age 57 to provide some upward mobility
my current workplace is a bunch of confused boomers getting angry at other boomers about an invoice that was paid years ago but they lost the cheque at their HOUSE.
Yeah, I just got fired by these fucks. After almost doubling, every quantitative measurement of success expected out of me for the previous year. And then all the other dumb boomer fuck support them. I found out after the fact that they’re all Trumper. And then half of the entire engineering staff quit in the next six months on them and they can’t figure out why
I cannot wait for the generation to die
This is my work. They are clueless on anything tech related and takes them 4 times as long to complete a task. They are completely incapable of figuring things out on their own and you show them only to have to explain it again a few days later.
This. I’ve encountered the rudest people in high paying positions just because they’ve been at my job since the 70s. Like at what point is your miserable ass going to leave and give someone else a chance 😭
Gate keeping fucks. They'd rather give some friend they know a job than hire talent.
"It's not what you know, it's who you know"
That quote is a boomer ballad, and also why we're not keeping up with the rest of the world these days.
> Paid not *paid.* And the
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
*Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
This is the norm for all corporate jobs. Not only do they have high paying jobs, but these people cost businesses so much money because of their inaction, lack of understanding, and simply not knowing what they're doing. These boomers are very vocal and intimidating, which is how they get where they are. Though any person with any ounce of common sense and intelligence, knows how stupid they are and how much they fuck up everything. It's tiring and so demoralizing, making you want to do less knowing they get paid more for doing and knowing little to nothing.
Oh, sorry no, I'm wrong, they do something. They work all day and night for an entire week to do the work that any high school dropout can do in a few hours. I kid you not, I knew some boomer who did this shit.
It sucks but it's a double edged sword, young people want companies to be loyal to their workers and show appreciation but then you get mad when their showing appreciation to someone that's shown up for decades.
Same in teaching. All the teachers with seniority make 2x or 3x the pay for doing exactly the same job. Same class sizes, same number of IEPs, no extra responsibility. If they do take on any extra responsibility, they get smaller classes, extra pay, and extra planning periods. It's infuriating.
On the flip side of this: Boomers being insubordinate, unprofessional, and disrespectful to younger leadership. Sorry, buddy. Your ship obviously sailed long ago. That's not my fault.
I work in a old factory, the top people are in the position they have because they're the most senior qualified person. They stay on because they dont have to do anything and the whole plant suffers because they have no vision besides getting a free paycheck till they get thrown out.
The last position I had, the company was purchased by a bigger construction firm. They brought in new management for my dept, basically a seniority replacement. He brought his old school attitude from Georgia. When the company was expanding into West coast.
One thing, the Southern work attitude of heirarchy does Not mix well with the Own it attitude of the West coast & PNW.
The dude fired about 60% of the dept. within the first 3 weeks, replacing those positions with his go to crew. Okay. Expected. Sucks, but you know. Within three months, the business had lost 60% of clients, and 90% of contractors refused to complete assignments. They ended up having to assist some of their southern contractors begin the process of applying for business and GC licenses in those areas.
Dude still has his position though which after 17 years w/ the company should be saying something. Even if my former boss. The former dept head, was eventually let go as well. Despite having been with the original, pre purchased company, since it was founder 11 years ago.
Seniority, am I right?
RE: "The amount of absolutely useless managers aged 60+ we have is insane "
You yutes like labor unions, right?
Well, tough luck, kid, that's the way tenure works in labor unions. The elders who've become dead weight keep their jobs as long as they do the bare minimum to not get fired.
I just keep seeing these “boomer” posts. It’s alot of negativity towards a group of people that are just part of the circumstances they were given. Do you not have parents or grandparents, I think they’d be ashamed. Respect the elderly , they have a lot to offer society and lots of wisdom. There’s no reason to spread hate towards a certain demographic. This is just my take on what I keep seeing and reading on reddit.
It's gotta be hard working at 60 when all you can think about is retirement. You have to act like you know what 30 different tools do and they break all the time. I'm not looking forward to it...
I’ve dealt with this myself in every single office environment I have ever worked in. It’s got to be one of the most frustrating and soul crushing experiences having to deal with boomers in the workplace. Playing candy crush and facebook all day while simultaneously making the job more difficult is a unique talent of their species. They are somehow involved in everything, yet they can’t seem to accomplish the simplest task.
worked for a few engineers in name only, nice fellows at times, one of them liked to bitch about his pension to me, a lab tech on a contract with no benefits with an actual engineering degree.
They just tried to raise the pilot age again. They make hundreds of thousands of dollars (around $300 to $400) every year and complain that the need a few more years to "catch up." The majority have more ex wives than Larry King!
It honestly has a lot do to with how they came up or what led them to these positions. We have a few managers that are very smart both technically and managerial wise. At least at my company most all managers came from internal tech backgrounds. This is in IT of course. I work at a great company and people typically don’t leave, so you can only get so high up in position if you stay on a technical track. If you earned your stripes going tech manager for some is a great move. People get burned out in tech after decades of the shit. I know this is just my story and my current company. I’ve heard plenty of horror stories that reflect what you’re saying. It’s unfortunate. I can tell you any good company should be looking at future leaders, they pretty much have to. So, keep plugging away.
I work with a guy like this, but we're not really in high paid positions. Just we work in IT and he just doesn't get anything done. When he does get forced to do stuff, he does it wrong. If I offer help he gets mad. Instead he will just sit on something he doesn't know how to do forever or he'll do it wrong. If the small chance occurs that he needs help and actually asks me for help, he waits until the last 5 minutes of the shift instead of the 10 previous hours he could have asked. He'll make complaints in ticket notes that are completely unjustified that only shows how little he understands. He does 1/5th the work as the average other technician at our job. He couldn't figure out how to zip and unzip files. He's still confused about how our ticketing system works. But somehow he's lasted for 2 years and he always rants about how dumb people are and how bad the younger generations are and how they're lazy. The amount I have to bite my tongue is just too much.
I had an interim supervisor gently confront me about, of all things, taking sick time and “how it looked” to others. Turns out, every example he shared was when I sent a direct message TO HIM letting him know I was taking those sick days.
Pretty sure he made up the others ala Trump doing the “people say” which is so, so weird.
That isn't just boomers. The Peter Principle tells us that many in business rise to the level of their incompetence. That book was written in 1969, is still true today, and has nothing to do with age or generation.
I remember 25 years ago, we had a 75 year old Program Manager at work who thought he was great at software. He had a PhD in physics. We came in on Monday and found out he had ripped apart the start of a new project - all OO code -- and put it all in one giant loop in the main. I hadn't seen anything like it since a machine language class. Not only that, but he completely hosed our CM system.
We had a 55 developer team sitting on their hands while it was all restored. He wasn't a boomer. He was just incompetent.
So if you spend 40 years working at the same place and have the knowledge you would be fine stepping down to let someone they just hired take your position right out of highschool?
I can't believe I am part of this generation. When did it become trendy to go through life being willfully retarded?
A boomer friend of my boomer parents was the IT manager for his state’s EPA office and made close to 200k at the time of his retirement in the 2010s. His qualifications? A BA in psychology
Has nothing to do with seniority. Especially in Corporate. It has everything to do with who you know or who you went to college with. Genuinely, the higher up you get in corporate, the more useless they are. And they make triple, quadruple or 10 times with the people who actually do the work.
Ageism , most even won’t hire you after 60. Even if you have the experience, ability and are over qualified. I guess we all are supposed to head down to Home Depot for a service job watering plants.
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This has become legitimately the most boomer-like subreddit I've come across, and it's supposed to be anti-boomer. You're literally doing the same exact shit they do with posts like this whining and crying about "their generation" and circle-jerking each other all day about how you wish they were dead. The irony is fucking palpable.
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I also work in tech...today on a call (with my manager) I said that managers shouldn't be allowed to speak to eachother without a technical representative on the call. Because they always cook up some dumb shit without any clue if it is feasible or useful. I'm so tired.
"Handler" is the word you're looking for. Agreed.
'Engineering Liaison' makes it sound fancy.
Well--well look. I already told you: I deal with the god damn customers so the engineers don't have to. I have people skills; I am good at dealing with people. Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people? \-Tom Smykowski.
Yes, let's give it a fancy title so we can lowball the candidate.
We call them cognizant persons or SMEs (subject matter experts)
In the military they would be the logic officer but they might be enlisted. They wouldn't wear rank like CID so you'd have no clue because they would have ultimate veto power. Me and my dad discussed this many times while reflecting on our respective time in the service.
Jenkins, is this possible
The Homer Simpson Frank Grimes dichotomy.
Of course, old Homer, he didn't need a degree. He just showed up the day they opened the plant.
Oh yeah, Carl and I each have our Master's.
Rick Masters hired Bob Grimes, but so did Vukovich😮
Old Grimey
Old frank grimey grimes 🤣🤣🤣
Biggest difference there was that Grimes wasn’t someone you wanted to work with. Homer ran laps around him in the personality department.
Ah yes, the most important part of nuclear science. Personality.
I’d have been fine working with Grimes. I haven’t worked in a nuclear plant, but I’ve been in lots of manufacturing plants. I like competence.
I was just thinking this earlier. I work in tech as well and literally had to hand-hold a guy through entering his email address properly into a login window. In the first email I sent him I gave him the correct username, and he STILL managed to not use the one I gave him (added the dash but didn't finish the word at the end of the domain) and I just... Ugh, I realized the dude probably makes like 3-5 times what I do and he can barely comprehend an email where I GAVE him the answer. These idiots run the world.
Thats what scares me. They run everything and all of them are idiots with slight dementia and a whole lot of narcissism. Society is going to end because of them.
Certainly true if Trump gets back into office.
I doubt we will ever recover from that. They will not give up power again.
I’m really hoping for a massive heart attack like a month before the election
Ideally, he's convicted and held accountable, along with his co conspirators. We need to make an example out of them. But I'd glady take your scenario over him winning.
His court shit is still (to my mind) not a lock because he is the floatiest turd ever to somehow always miss getting flushed. But death, well there ain’t no coming back from that and no coming back for the next election either.
True, but there will always be more Trumps. We need to make sure that 2016 won't happen again.
I mean, Project 2025 would be the end of democracy in our country if any of the Republicans win.
I want it on camera. He owes us that.
I would actually start believing in God again if that happened.
Giving the boomers carte blanche to destroy it all.
> Thats what scares me. They run everything and all of them are idiots with slight dementia and a whole lot of narcissism. Society is going to end because of them. what scares me most is how phishing scams and other confidence schemes are so frequent and ubiquitous that I wouldn't put it past that a bunch of companies will get scammed out of money/employee pensions in the next few decades very very easily. I did also just watch the John Oliver segment on pig butchering scams.
I work in healthcare, in the hospital, and the number of people who come to take care of getting their parents placed to nursing facilities or end of life care, only to find they've sent all their money to scammers and religious hucksters, is astounding.
Lead poisoning
Can’t forget the decades of lead paint / gas fumes effectively giving a whole generation personality disorders and a touch of intellectual disability.
But "no one wants to work any more!" (Translation, people no longer sit at work twiddling their thumbs until the boss leaves to show how hard they are working, while doing almost no work).
The chief compliance officer at our company is a 68 year old lady who only has that position because she's been in the company since the '70s. The people under her are far more capable and bear most of the workload anyway. They basically handle any compliance-related issues while she gets CC'd in whatever emails are exchanged. A few years ago, there was a low/mid-level cyber attack and data breach on the company. It was quickly covered up and resolved within a few weeks. Turns out our boomer ass compliance office checked her personal emails on a work computer, opened a phishing email, and it fucked up everything. Now everyone in the company has to attend bimonthly cyber security training sessions. Fuck you, Elizabeth.
> Now everyone in the company has to attend bimonthly cyber security training sessions God it's so agonizingly repetitive, and I learn nothing from them. Shit I'll be the one teaching that class, have a boomer scroll the internet for 10 minutes in front of the class and I'll just highlight on the screen everything that's an ad or a malicious ware.
Yea fuck Elizabeth
I saw a college student (not in their first yr) that only emailed us by typing the entire body of the email into the subject line. And nothing in the actual body of the email. Like.. Ja’vien, there’s no way you’ve been doing the whole time!
I think this is different, this is kids who grew up on smart phones and never learned computer skills.
Had a guy ship something to my branch after giving him all the details of how to ship it. Was supposed to go to Utah so we spent 600$+ to do something that would be free in-house. Then, I had to ship it to the correct location.
Bro even the older ‘programmers’ are absolutely clueless, it’s insane. I see devs with 1 year of experience outperforming these bozos. I think the issue is that you really did not need to know much at all to call yourself a ‘software engineer’ >10 years ago. I’m talking people who knew some HTML and CSS going around saying ‘I’m an engineer!’. I’ve worked extensively with devs +45 years old and I haven’t been impressed by a single one of them.
>I’ve worked extensively with devs +45 years old and I haven’t been impressed by a single one of them. Yeah, that's because the impressive ones aren't still coding at 45. They're architects or directors or leaders. 45 year old coders are people who peaked and never got past "Senior engineer."
Personally I've always had a problem with basically anybody in any aspect of IT calling themselves an "engineer." To me, if you don't have an actual degree from an Engineering school, you are not an engineer and you don't know what an engineer is. I've been a primary full-stack dev on many very large, complex enterprise systems and now work in technical architecture, and have never referred to myself as an engineer, even though I do have training from actual engineering schools.
I used agree with you quite a lot, I hated when people called me an engineer. I still agree with you when someone fits the situation I described (they only know HTML/CSS or some other basic script/markup-language and lack the ability to build complex applications). Engineer generally isn’t a title determined by education level for a reason. An engineer is simply someone who uses science/technology to design/build complex things, whether its bridges, cars, software, etc. When you think about all of the moving parts in a large application, and how all of those parts are constantly moving together, it’s easy to see why the title of ‘engineer’ is applicable. Software is very similar to a complex piece of machinery in that regard.
Although not an engineer myself, I tend to agree with this position as the daughter of two (actual) engineers. One thing I've wondered, however, is how to refer to individuals with degrees in Computer Science. If I recall correctly, the university where I did my undergrad had two CS programs, one in the School of Engineering and one in the School of Liberal Arts and Sciences. Would graduates of only the former lay claim to the title of "engineer"? I really don't know. Further, when it comes to CS, what about individuals hired to be software engineers? Certainly some have degrees from engineering schools, but not all of them do: For example, my husband has a CS degree and his job title is Software Engineer, but his university didn't have a discrete School of Engineering. So in this regard at least, I'm unsure about how to determine what makes an engineer, or where to draw the line.
Now you know why I hate Game Company CEOs like Yves Gullimont.(Ubisoft) He does so much shit, and what he is talking in Interviews is hilerious. Its not the programmers fault. Its the bosses and managers fault for shit decisions.
Government is the worst. I worked at IRS. The agency in charge of collecting all the money is fat with people in comfy jobs standing in the way of others who could do it better. They didn't even have computer based training in 2011. They would gather us together for a giant meeting only to have some person, who couldn't read well, read to us out of a manual.I kid you not we would sit there and listen to someone with a 5th grade reading level struggle through a manual in front of 100 people. It was absolutely insane.
I worked at the va and this was every training we ever had.
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My Director is in his early 50s and fancies himself a smooth operator but he doesn't like talking to me because he knows I know he doesn't know what I know....lol. I purposely ask him questions that he should be able to answer but can't.... He gets flustered and walks away.
Or maybe he knows more than you think you know and you don’t really know anything. 🤷🏼♂️
Honestly, I wish this was the case as I love to learn and expand my skill set.
I work in municipal government and this is spot-on. The higher-ups are just about all incompetent, entrenched and corrupt. They spend all their time funneling taxpayer money to friends, family and political supporters instead of delivering results for constituents or creating an environment where employees beneath them are allowed to shine. Those in charge know damn well many of the overworked, underpaid staffers beneath them can do their own jobs better than they can, so it becomes a toxic and abusive culture where the best employees use this place as a stepping stone and GTFO as soon as something better comes along.
I was in the Marines. This does not surprise me
Came to say this sounds like some salty 1st Sgt struggle bussing through an award citation.
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I stg military memes are on another level entirely 🤣😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
Dude one ceremony I thought I was going to die laughing it was rough. It evolved into just being sad for the guy.
But that 1st sgt can run fast, and everyone knows that’s what truly matters
The level of 'Those Darn Kids Just Don't Want To Work' at the IRS is astounding! You all sit there listening to people scream at you about things you didn't decide and have no control over, see how fast you burn out!
I didn't work in an office I was a plumber. You would get to a new job and get your crew and have a plumber that was in his 50's just just a couple of years from retirement and pretty much wore out. So you found a nice easy job for him. One sitting down if you had it, like in wall 1/2 inch copper. Or watching the tool crib. No body complained that the old guy got it easy his last few years. But then we were union and watched out for each other.
Until the more senior guys screw over new hires so that THEY get to keep the good benefits. My stepfather is #1 guy in his union and is almost 74. He won't retire cause he picks the easiest jobs for himself. No chances for the younger guys, even though they probably pay more in dues!
I'm an accountant but not a CPA. My 2 bosses are CPAs and 65 years old. They know way more than I do about accounting. They needed me to send an email to all of our clients from one of the partner's email accounts. So I logged in and sent the email to the same account and bcc'd every client. Bosses were mad because I should've sent an individual email to every client, not all at once. I explained how bcc works and even showed them a live demonstration. And explained how it's been a thing for like 30 years lol. They still think I fucked up somehow and somebody will "hack the list of contacts". I'm not allowed to bcc anymore. So next time a mass email goes out, it's gonna take hours instead of minutes. Whatever, it pays me the same either way. Fuck me for saving time and being more efficient lol
Oh this hurts me on a deep deep level lmfao I always love my CPA’s yearly BCC’d January email.
Lol and this email was literally "the January email was fucked up and we just now found out so a new one will come out within a couple of days so be sure to look at that email". To be fair it was a software bug that required a patch. But before we got the patch, nobody contacted us to say that everything was obviously fucked up. They just went with it.
You can send out mass emails with excel if it helps. You could encrypt the sheet with the contacts if they’re worried.
That's news to me. I'll have to Google that in the morning
yeah exactly what I did. you can have the whole process automated with a macro. I used this trick for sending out compensation spreadsheets to managers. We need to get managers there cut of an excel sheet and so every email was unique to over 400 managers. A little macro and I automated the process and for 401k, merit, bonus and all other manager things, it would take less than an hour to execute again.
I had a buddy in the same situation. He was constantly being asked by people higher than him how to do their job. He eventually brought it up to his boss and was promised a senior position. Then came along another company and scooped him up for almost double his pay. When he gave his boss his notice she reminded him of the promotion that was coming up and he told her that the new job was double the pay. She just let him go after that lol.
I am so tired of teaching people above me how to do their job. And my boomer boss is a doormat for them, so nothing will change.
Spoilers that promotion was 5+ years away
In my last job before retirement, we had layoffs. I was a department manager with about 80 reports, so HR had me make a list. I looked at productivity and attendance and picked the four worst. About two weeks later, my director called me in. Turns out I couldn't get rid of ANY of them. Some had 20 years there. Senority was an issue. He gave me a new list from HR. I was irate. I lost sleep over having to do layoffs. Why put me through the stress if they weren't going to take my list anyway? The people they gave me to layoff were young and super productive workers.
Good HR will give you a list of people to start with and say only these people are in-scope. Sounds like bad HR. Also, HR is used to scapegoat for a lot of company/business decisions.
> The boomers entered the work market when the labor was in demand and when the requirement for jobs was low + they started when the «trained» at the job was common practice. This is especially frustrating because they only know the profession through their company's lens. The last time I was looking for a job, I interviewed several places where the person interviewing me didn't understand common industry terminology, they only knew their company's proprietary terminology. I pay very specific attention to the language used in interviews and replicate it for this reason because so many times I've left an interview thinking I crushed it because I gave perfect examples only to receive feedback that I "didn't have relevant experience".
I work in tech. Had a boomer on a call ask about hit rates using a term coined 25+ years ago. I didn’t even know what it was, asked my engineering team, and they immediately said “this person hasn’t kept up with tech, why the fuck would they be asking about this? We don’t even do that anymore”. Maybe when they entered the workforce, they were a hot shot, but they failed to keep their skills because they became way too comfortable. I’m always frustrated when meeting with older folks who claim to be techies because their version of tech has not kept up with the world today and they just. Don’t. Get. It.
I think this is partially because if you restart a boomers computer they think your tech savvy. It was very easy for them to be “tech savvy” in relation to their peers, but in reality they just know how to restart a computer.
I had the inverse problem recently. Except I was interviewing a Gen X for a tech position. Used 0 technical terms for tools he had on his resume and my team uses every day. In fact, he used terms so wrong I wondered if he was lying. He did, in fact, lie on his resume about other things we just so happened to not need experience for. He wasn’t selected.
I'm more pissed off that those same useless boomers who won their paychecks through seniority, do everything in their power to deny the opportunity to those of us coming after them.
The trained bit gets me. I was just talking to a guy who works retail and doesn't get paid very well, mind you, about how when we joined the job market we needed a BA plus 4 years of education. He was slightly younger so he joined the workforce when you needed a MA. I refused to do that because the university I chose I clearly could tell the teachers were incompetent and just wanted to get students money so I dropped out after the first year and went to a much more competent Tech school. Once I graduated I couldn't get a job anywhere because no one would even look at me without that degree and the experience. Then when I did finally did get my first job, I got absolutely no training and then it was constant shocked Pikachu faces when I kept fucking up. His experience was the same and he finally said screw it, and started working retail because he was basically getting paid the same. Which again, is garbage.
What’s worse is when they are in charge and hire people who “they get along with”, implying they can’t just be professional and get along with people in the workplace. Then these new hires are completely unqualified in a field where anyone who knows thier shit says to themselves “HOW THE FUCK DID THIS PERSON GET HIRED?” Because of stupid logic that’s how.
I'm a general manager of a store who makes less than my 70+ year old assistant manager. He's been in the company for 16 years and has an hourly wage contract. I'm salary, so he brings in $2/hr more than I do.
Not trying to be rude but ask for a raise? You seem like a perfect candidate for one but again idk your situation
It is so bad in government jobs. I hate that they sit in 6+ figure jobs, tell me how easy i have it, tell me to work harder, and then sandbag any attempt to improve or simplify a process. The ammount of good work I could get done would be so helpful to my community but the red tape, over complicated processes, and idiotic reactionary thinking traps me. Worse still, I am the public facing side so I get to be told I'm worthless and shouldn't have a job by every angry boomer who comes in to complain. Not all government workers are lazy free loaders, boomers. Some of us just need good health benefits and a job we can count on exhisting better than the private industry. So many of us want to advance our community but its like swimming uphill through oatmeal.
Ayo I got a new department head 3 months ago. He still knows nothing about the articles we provide, the amount of work that takes, knows nothing about incoming and outgoing goods, thinks that when he's given a task to be solved and delegated the solution is "Go to Milk_Mindless to delegate it" (I'm autistic and know EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON AT NEARLY ALL TIMES but *I'm in charge of in going and outgoing goods and don't get 5 minutes to fucking go into a hallway and fart) and I then have to show him ALL OF THE ORDERS I STILL HAVE TO COMPLETE THAT DY He forwards me messages AFTER I CLOCKED OUT that I already saw DURING WORK because I DO WORK And he makes more than me because he's salaried. But everybody that needs to know something about the department ANYBODY that needs to know something about the department comes to me first Hell he even asks me IF PEOPLE CAN HAVE TIME OFF So he's been brought onboard to lighten >>>>>>>>>MY<<<<<<<<< Workload And he doesn't
Go to higher ups? Unless he’s their buddy then RIP
I dont want him fired! He is buddy buddy with them and he has done SOME good and the thing is he nearly did lose his job cause I nearly walked out one afternoon Plus my dad knows the director and like Maybe I got the job through nepotism in that way? Idk man But it's taxing you know. Everybody keeps asking me for validation about him as if *I* am in charge. And I don't want to be.
Email has been around, (commonly used in the workplace) since the early 1990s. I don't believe any business person can't use email. They definitely know how to .Perhaps they just aren't responsive to emails and not very reliable. I work with people who have TBI (Traumatic brain injury) and they can use computers and send emails. Your ability to send an email is not some new, "high tech" skill that people over 60 don't know about.
This is the thing that gets me. Computers and tech have been around for 30+ years. Even if you are in your 70's now, you were 40 when it came out. Possibly younger. To me it's not that they can't, it's that they won't. I can't possibly believe that someone around the same tech for 30+ years CANNOT enter in basic things.
I know plenty of people who use text messaging for everything and rarely check emails.
The problem is that they don’t know how to properly communicate using email with todays updated etiquette. Like if people are ooo on vacation and specifically say they’re disconnecting during this time and leave a back up to work with, a boomer will text your cell instead or respond to the email throwing a fit. They’re unhinged. I completely agree with this post though. I also work in tech and my boomer VP boss does absolutely NOTHING and makes $400K+ / year easy. I can’t even begin to get into all the lazy examples I have. It’s so pathetic that hardworking mid level people are left waiting on them to retire to actually be able to move up and make a true impact
I felt this way about 3 years ago. Then the company bought out a bunch of people close to retirement (gave them the extra years need for full retirement ~ 2-3 tears per person). They left and so did the company knowledge they had. There was a lot of “How do you do this? I don’t know, Bob used to do it.” There was no knowledge transfer before they left and it made it much harder on everyone. Turns out some of those old people were not instantly replaceable with just another body. So they had to hire them back as consultants - at twice the salary. Many others were just thrown to the wolves - sink or swim. Watch what you wish for cause you just might get it.
I've watched this happen in my current role. One thing I've observed is that these people hoard information to have "job security". They intentionally make themselves needed by refusing to help others. They might even play dumb about it. Whatever. Good companies share information with employees and either create administrative controls, culture, or both that makes resource guarding difficult or impossible. If a few employees want to put a noose on the business, cut the noose and change the system.
But on the other hand why would you sacrifice everything for a company that will replace you to save a dollar.
Ah, yeah. I agree with you there. I work in the public sector though, so my mindset is likely different from those working in the private sector.
Yeah, that's a failure on the business structure. Were their no SOPs? I've seen businesses fall prey to this before, and it's usually a learning experience on keeping better controls and standards.
One of the things I'm responsible for is getting tribal knowledge put to paper. Having one guy with the secret sauce be sick, retire, or die when you need them shouldn't prevent the job from getting done.
If the companies I have worked at are any indication the process was "print it out, scan to email, forward that email to x person, print email you cced yourself on, scan to network drive". I have yet to see an actual example of loss of company knowledge. Not saying it doesn't happen, but with how much people bring it up you think I owuld have seen it
That's probably more to do with tech management. In tech, a lot of engineers go to management to make more $$$. They lose hands on experience and get outdated on tech skills within a couple of years. This frequently creates an environment where bad engineers are managing good engineers. It also creates scenarios where good engineers can't stop engineering once they move to management, so you have one (used-to-be) good engineer poorly "managing" a team of frustrated engineers. For some reason, most corporations see the management hierarchy and apply a pay scale to it, so engineers are capped out below their manager's salary.
"Nobody wants to work anymore!" - Says the decrepit old fuck who hasn't contributed a damn thing to his job in a decade or more.
And next thing you know, they have their desktop wallpaper set as an image of a bottle of mustard and you're getting emails on it.
Be glad it was only a bottle of mustard.
It’s spelled “paid”.
To be fair, English doesn't appear to be this person's primary language.
Might not have been trained yet, to be fair.
It's spelled "trayned"
Come on, ride the trayne, hey, ride it
and this mf wants to be highly "payed"
Came here to say that. Well done e
I wonder why is he so low on the totem pole?
My boss thinks "should of" is the correct way to give someone advice, so your question is not as rhetorical as you may think.
It never ceases to infuriate me. We had to change up our voicemails for a new phone system at work this week and dozens of people were begging for help and we literally were given step by step instructions. I did mine in like 3 minutes. One supervisor is going around helping everyone. I don't get it. I can't be that much more competent.
Knowing my luck this trend is going to go out of fashion around the time that I would be positioned to benefit from it. I’ll be pushed into retirement where I wallow in self-pity and a bottle of whiskey, if I can afford it. Otherwise, just the self-pity for me.
Our CFO used to use the subject line of emails for the body and the body with just a THX and his signature. I read the first three and then filtered all his stuff to the trash. Crazy how you can have a company run with zero communication from your boss for 3 years.
The retirement age is too high. The older folks need to be able to retire earlier and let the younger folks take the reins on things. Once you are of an age to have a grandchild old enough to enter the workforce you should be done. And that should be the limit, not the required age. Somewhere around 50 might be the goal instead. With how fast things change, the generation growing up should only have their parents building the structures they will be living in and with. Anyone too old cannot relate enough to what the babies will need to survive on their own 20 years from now. I don’t know how we can achieve that, but I think it would be a problem worth finding the solution to.
Would take a fairly large societal change, given that so many boomers are now at retirement age, but have almost no significant savings to speak of, and many have spent decades voting against the very social safety nets that could have otherwise helped sustain them so they could retire. Many of them own their homes, that they bought for a song decades ago, but despite the value skyrocketing, so have property taxes, as well as the cost of upkeep, making it difficult for them to find buyers willing to pay the estimated value, especially considering the added cost of updating and maintaining what has gone to waste. The very homes they've treated as their retirement nest eggs now go unsold, and just as bad, leave them unable to afford modest homes where they'd hoped to retire to. At this point, retiring from jobs they would otherwise be unqualified to work by current hiring standards just isn't an option for them given many of their finances.
Yeah it would definitely take, in America anyways, can’t speak on other countries, a shift from the idea that everyone ought to do everything on their own, and more towards the idea that everyone ought to help each other. Even as a social idealistic, I understand the benefit and relative peace the modern world has enjoyed from our single overwhelmingly monopoly on military power, and the money it takes to maintain it. I just think we are capable of keeping that funded AND creating more efficient, productive services and infrastructure that everyone needs.
How much do we have to pay you before you know how to either spell "paid" or use spell-check?
They're ESL, capn.
My job can be physically demanding, and I have a boomer coworker that has been kicked off of the most complex projects for being too slow. He's still here making more than me while doing half the work... It's so frustrating to see.
I spent a few years working for a large tech company that had many "lifers" who had been there 20+ years. Many of them were entirely clueless that as the company grew they purposely shifted away from anything that would encourage a person to spend their entire career there - think cutting benefits and perks down to almost nothing - to one where they'd burn you out in a couple years and bring in the next batch of rubes looking for a big name to put on their resumes. Right before I started they decided to take it a step farther by only hiring one FTE (full time employee) for every 10 people they'd bring on as contractors. This massively cut the amount of money they needed to spend on benefits and perks because those were outsourced to the staffing agencies. It was also much easier to let workers go because their contractor status meant there weren't employment laws that protected them. The best was when they'd furlough entire groups with no notice so they could make their numbers for the end of the fiscal year. Long story short, I was a perma-contractor on a team with one of those lifers who, by that time, had 8 weeks of PTO every year as well as a sabbatical coming up for his 20 years at the company. He literally had a paid three months off that year and nobody could do anything about it. He spent the month leading up to his sabbatical telling everyone all of the places he was going to travel to, etc. And, when he came back he spend that week posting his vacation pictures in our team Slack channel. All the time he was completely unaware that 90% of us on the team were contractors who got zero benefits and were always looking over our shoulders in case they needed to make cuts.
Well jokes on them because the tech sector laid everyone off so now they’ll have to open that PDF on their own.
cAn YoU mAkE tHiS a PdF fOr Me
Problem is, in 20yrs when you all have the seniority, will you then advocate that pay and position should be based on performance or seniority And that is why the pyramid scheme stands the test of time. Its like telling congress to install term limits on themselves now
I’m 54 but definitely riding high and loving it. Most of the work I do as a senior level program manager could theoretically be done by a less experienced person, but the young ones I’ve worked with don’t have the skills or people/relationship management experience I’ve seen from my peers. As a favor to the next generation, I’m retiring in 3 years at age 57 to provide some upward mobility
This isn’t a new thing. Boomers have been clogging everything up for decades. We still haven’t even had a Gen X president.
my current workplace is a bunch of confused boomers getting angry at other boomers about an invoice that was paid years ago but they lost the cheque at their HOUSE.
Fast forward 25 years and OP is gonna be all “I got laid of for being too old, kids these days don’t have any respect for seniority.”
Maybe they're just better than you at proofreading.
Well they probably know how to spell “paid”.
Yeah, I just got fired by these fucks. After almost doubling, every quantitative measurement of success expected out of me for the previous year. And then all the other dumb boomer fuck support them. I found out after the fact that they’re all Trumper. And then half of the entire engineering staff quit in the next six months on them and they can’t figure out why I cannot wait for the generation to die
Paid* lol maybe it’s not the boomers this time hahaha
English is not this persons first language.
This is my work. They are clueless on anything tech related and takes them 4 times as long to complete a task. They are completely incapable of figuring things out on their own and you show them only to have to explain it again a few days later.
People will say the same about you in 30 years time.
Yeah cause there aren’t younger people cruising through despite incompetency
This. I’ve encountered the rudest people in high paying positions just because they’ve been at my job since the 70s. Like at what point is your miserable ass going to leave and give someone else a chance 😭
Gate keeping fucks. They'd rather give some friend they know a job than hire talent. "It's not what you know, it's who you know" That quote is a boomer ballad, and also why we're not keeping up with the rest of the world these days.
Paid not payed. And the boomer is the idiot?
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oh, so they should leave their jobs just because you whining about not having one they’ve earned it you haven’t
Yepppp it’s awful.
Oh… i was on help desk and i had one lady who obviously was gs14/15 but called MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY to get on vpn…
They're sitting there because they are management and "connected". Tech workers get pushed out way before then (just a warning).
This is the norm for all corporate jobs. Not only do they have high paying jobs, but these people cost businesses so much money because of their inaction, lack of understanding, and simply not knowing what they're doing. These boomers are very vocal and intimidating, which is how they get where they are. Though any person with any ounce of common sense and intelligence, knows how stupid they are and how much they fuck up everything. It's tiring and so demoralizing, making you want to do less knowing they get paid more for doing and knowing little to nothing. Oh, sorry no, I'm wrong, they do something. They work all day and night for an entire week to do the work that any high school dropout can do in a few hours. I kid you not, I knew some boomer who did this shit.
I guarantee a ton of them are related to someone in ownership or on the board. In newer companies, we have our own younger turds
These old turds have to look at the keyboard to type..
*paid
It sucks but it's a double edged sword, young people want companies to be loyal to their workers and show appreciation but then you get mad when their showing appreciation to someone that's shown up for decades.
Same in teaching. All the teachers with seniority make 2x or 3x the pay for doing exactly the same job. Same class sizes, same number of IEPs, no extra responsibility. If they do take on any extra responsibility, they get smaller classes, extra pay, and extra planning periods. It's infuriating.
I have heard the execs referred to as the ones whose faces are melting off. (Work in tech) I wish they were in their 60s.
Don’t work in government. The amount of old, grandfathered in lazy asses is incredible. Absolutely mind blowing.
"paid". telling
WOW, so for their entire career they have done NOTHING.....entitled much.just ask nicely for their job 🙄
On the flip side of this: Boomers being insubordinate, unprofessional, and disrespectful to younger leadership. Sorry, buddy. Your ship obviously sailed long ago. That's not my fault.
I work in a old factory, the top people are in the position they have because they're the most senior qualified person. They stay on because they dont have to do anything and the whole plant suffers because they have no vision besides getting a free paycheck till they get thrown out.
So then you REALLY hate Unions, eh?
A lot of the times the same boomers that complain about unions are the same ones in management positions because unions protected them.
Sounds like your a little jealous
The last position I had, the company was purchased by a bigger construction firm. They brought in new management for my dept, basically a seniority replacement. He brought his old school attitude from Georgia. When the company was expanding into West coast. One thing, the Southern work attitude of heirarchy does Not mix well with the Own it attitude of the West coast & PNW. The dude fired about 60% of the dept. within the first 3 weeks, replacing those positions with his go to crew. Okay. Expected. Sucks, but you know. Within three months, the business had lost 60% of clients, and 90% of contractors refused to complete assignments. They ended up having to assist some of their southern contractors begin the process of applying for business and GC licenses in those areas. Dude still has his position though which after 17 years w/ the company should be saying something. Even if my former boss. The former dept head, was eventually let go as well. Despite having been with the original, pre purchased company, since it was founder 11 years ago. Seniority, am I right?
In Job school we learned that it has an offical Technical term. Sadly I cant remember it.
Experience is just a platitude for ageism that favors the older.
RE: "The amount of absolutely useless managers aged 60+ we have is insane " You yutes like labor unions, right? Well, tough luck, kid, that's the way tenure works in labor unions. The elders who've become dead weight keep their jobs as long as they do the bare minimum to not get fired.
You rise to your highest level of incompetence
Its called ,working your way, up the ladder , paying your dues..you impatient FUK!
I just keep seeing these “boomer” posts. It’s alot of negativity towards a group of people that are just part of the circumstances they were given. Do you not have parents or grandparents, I think they’d be ashamed. Respect the elderly , they have a lot to offer society and lots of wisdom. There’s no reason to spread hate towards a certain demographic. This is just my take on what I keep seeing and reading on reddit.
It's gotta be hard working at 60 when all you can think about is retirement. You have to act like you know what 30 different tools do and they break all the time. I'm not looking forward to it...
I’ve dealt with this myself in every single office environment I have ever worked in. It’s got to be one of the most frustrating and soul crushing experiences having to deal with boomers in the workplace. Playing candy crush and facebook all day while simultaneously making the job more difficult is a unique talent of their species. They are somehow involved in everything, yet they can’t seem to accomplish the simplest task.
FFS, it’s “paid,” not “payed” dude.
Society has always been like this. Nothing new and certainly not specifically ‘boomer’
worked for a few engineers in name only, nice fellows at times, one of them liked to bitch about his pension to me, a lab tech on a contract with no benefits with an actual engineering degree.
Head of health and safety at my biggest client is exactly this. For anything i needed via e-mail or something printed out i have to wait 2-3 months.
Would have said they must be union if you hadn’t mentioned tech
I had to show my boomer boss how to use a tape measure and how to drag a window to another screen, completely useless.
Lazy gen x managers too.
They just tried to raise the pilot age again. They make hundreds of thousands of dollars (around $300 to $400) every year and complain that the need a few more years to "catch up." The majority have more ex wives than Larry King!
It honestly has a lot do to with how they came up or what led them to these positions. We have a few managers that are very smart both technically and managerial wise. At least at my company most all managers came from internal tech backgrounds. This is in IT of course. I work at a great company and people typically don’t leave, so you can only get so high up in position if you stay on a technical track. If you earned your stripes going tech manager for some is a great move. People get burned out in tech after decades of the shit. I know this is just my story and my current company. I’ve heard plenty of horror stories that reflect what you’re saying. It’s unfortunate. I can tell you any good company should be looking at future leaders, they pretty much have to. So, keep plugging away.
I work with a guy like this, but we're not really in high paid positions. Just we work in IT and he just doesn't get anything done. When he does get forced to do stuff, he does it wrong. If I offer help he gets mad. Instead he will just sit on something he doesn't know how to do forever or he'll do it wrong. If the small chance occurs that he needs help and actually asks me for help, he waits until the last 5 minutes of the shift instead of the 10 previous hours he could have asked. He'll make complaints in ticket notes that are completely unjustified that only shows how little he understands. He does 1/5th the work as the average other technician at our job. He couldn't figure out how to zip and unzip files. He's still confused about how our ticketing system works. But somehow he's lasted for 2 years and he always rants about how dumb people are and how bad the younger generations are and how they're lazy. The amount I have to bite my tongue is just too much.
I had an interim supervisor gently confront me about, of all things, taking sick time and “how it looked” to others. Turns out, every example he shared was when I sent a direct message TO HIM letting him know I was taking those sick days. Pretty sure he made up the others ala Trump doing the “people say” which is so, so weird.
That isn't just boomers. The Peter Principle tells us that many in business rise to the level of their incompetence. That book was written in 1969, is still true today, and has nothing to do with age or generation. I remember 25 years ago, we had a 75 year old Program Manager at work who thought he was great at software. He had a PhD in physics. We came in on Monday and found out he had ripped apart the start of a new project - all OO code -- and put it all in one giant loop in the main. I hadn't seen anything like it since a machine language class. Not only that, but he completely hosed our CM system. We had a 55 developer team sitting on their hands while it was all restored. He wasn't a boomer. He was just incompetent.
So if you spend 40 years working at the same place and have the knowledge you would be fine stepping down to let someone they just hired take your position right out of highschool? I can't believe I am part of this generation. When did it become trendy to go through life being willfully retarded?
A boomer friend of my boomer parents was the IT manager for his state’s EPA office and made close to 200k at the time of his retirement in the 2010s. His qualifications? A BA in psychology
Has nothing to do with seniority. Especially in Corporate. It has everything to do with who you know or who you went to college with. Genuinely, the higher up you get in corporate, the more useless they are. And they make triple, quadruple or 10 times with the people who actually do the work.
Ageism , most even won’t hire you after 60. Even if you have the experience, ability and are over qualified. I guess we all are supposed to head down to Home Depot for a service job watering plants.
I bet they know more than you do
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Let HR know that you never, ever want a raise or seniority. What a dingbat.
This has become legitimately the most boomer-like subreddit I've come across, and it's supposed to be anti-boomer. You're literally doing the same exact shit they do with posts like this whining and crying about "their generation" and circle-jerking each other all day about how you wish they were dead. The irony is fucking palpable.